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Gmac

Quote from: sid waddell on October 05, 2018, 09:59:50 PM
Quote from: Gmac on October 05, 2018, 09:32:38 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 05, 2018, 09:14:27 PM
Quote from: Gmac on October 05, 2018, 08:59:03 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 05, 2018, 06:19:53 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 05, 2018, 06:02:43 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 05, 2018, 05:47:09 PM
I see Chuck Grassley is now engaging in a well worn anti-semitic dog whistle by claiming that protestors against Bart O'Kavanaugh's nomination are funded by George Soros.

There literally is no bottom to the Republican cesspit.

And never mind that Republicans have actually paid people to protest against democracy.

https://www.politico.com/gallery/2012/06/16-worst-political-dirty-tricks/000188-002245-fullscreen.html

Trump is promoting that one too.

Plus he was mocking Al Franken for doing the decent thing and resigning his Senate seat over sexual harrassment allegations.

But hey, he's a fighter... or something...
I don't recall any Republicans on this forum complaining that Franken was "innocent until proven guilty".

That's because sexual harrassment, along with rape and sexual assault, are now partisan issues as far as Rapeublicans are concerned.

But hey, Democrats are "isolating themselves" by demanding higher moral standards of public representatives.

It makes you think about what sort of people Republicans are trying to appeal to, actually it doesn't at all - we already know exactly what type of people they're trying to appeal to.

Some of them even post here.
al Franken was filmed feeling up some girl who was asleep then he was defended by Katz ms fords attorney who also defended Bill Clinton and said Paula jones was a lying tr**p , you couldn't make it up
Al Franken correctly resigned.

Were you calling for the "innocent until proven guilty" standard to be upheld in his case?

Any chance of an answer?

Ironic that you say "you couldn't make it up", since making up stuff is the one thing Republicans are very good at doing.
it was on filmed don't remember seeing anything about Brett on tape
Could you answer the question, please?

Were you calling for Al Franken to be deemed innocent until proven guilty?

What about Harvey Weinstein?

Were you calling for him to be deemed innocent until proven guilty?
all cases are different and need to be viewed as such with the presumption of innocence unless it's on camera like Al Franken

sid waddell

Amazing stuff. Susan Collins called for Al Franken to resign.

I guess it's totally different because Bart O'Kavanagh is a Republican nominee.

The transparent hypocrisy is astounding.

https://bangordailynews.com/2017/12/06/politics/collins-and-king-join-chorus-calling-for-al-frankens-resignation/

QuoteSen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, told CNN that "it would be best for the Senate" if Franken "followed the advice of his Democratic colleagues

https://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/06/politics/senators-al-franken-resignation/index.html

QuoteSome comments were elaborate, lengthy and loaded with a moral message. Others, like that of Sen. Claire McCaskill of Missouri, were straight to the point.
"Al Franken should resign," she simply tweeted.
Within the next 90 minutes, 16 Democrats -- 10 of them women -- and one Republican senator -- Susan Collins of Maine -- had publicly urged their colleague to vacate his seat.

sid waddell

Quote from: Gmac on October 05, 2018, 11:16:27 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 05, 2018, 09:59:50 PM
Quote from: Gmac on October 05, 2018, 09:32:38 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 05, 2018, 09:14:27 PM
Quote from: Gmac on October 05, 2018, 08:59:03 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 05, 2018, 06:19:53 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 05, 2018, 06:02:43 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 05, 2018, 05:47:09 PM
I see Chuck Grassley is now engaging in a well worn anti-semitic dog whistle by claiming that protestors against Bart O'Kavanaugh's nomination are funded by George Soros.

There literally is no bottom to the Republican cesspit.

And never mind that Republicans have actually paid people to protest against democracy.

https://www.politico.com/gallery/2012/06/16-worst-political-dirty-tricks/000188-002245-fullscreen.html

Trump is promoting that one too.

Plus he was mocking Al Franken for doing the decent thing and resigning his Senate seat over sexual harrassment allegations.

But hey, he's a fighter... or something...
I don't recall any Republicans on this forum complaining that Franken was "innocent until proven guilty".

That's because sexual harrassment, along with rape and sexual assault, are now partisan issues as far as Rapeublicans are concerned.

But hey, Democrats are "isolating themselves" by demanding higher moral standards of public representatives.

It makes you think about what sort of people Republicans are trying to appeal to, actually it doesn't at all - we already know exactly what type of people they're trying to appeal to.

Some of them even post here.
al Franken was filmed feeling up some girl who was asleep then he was defended by Katz ms fords attorney who also defended Bill Clinton and said Paula jones was a lying tr**p , you couldn't make it up
Al Franken correctly resigned.

Were you calling for the "innocent until proven guilty" standard to be upheld in his case?

Any chance of an answer?

Ironic that you say "you couldn't make it up", since making up stuff is the one thing Republicans are very good at doing.
it was on filmed don't remember seeing anything about Brett on tape
Could you answer the question, please?

Were you calling for Al Franken to be deemed innocent until proven guilty?

What about Harvey Weinstein?

Were you calling for him to be deemed innocent until proven guilty?
all cases are different and need to be viewed as such with the presumption of innocence unless it's on camera like Al Franken
Yeah, mate, I've already got your point. If it's a Democrat they should resign, if it's a Republican, ah, shure 'tis grand.

sid waddell

The comments underneath this tweet from Peterson's alt-right cultist followers are very funny. They feel betrayed.  ;D

https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1048320826376740865

QuoteIf confirmed Kavanaugh should step down.

whitey

Quote from: sid waddell on October 05, 2018, 11:21:03 PM
Amazing stuff. Susan Collins called for Al Franken to resign.

I guess it's totally different because Bart O'Kavanagh is a Republican nominee.

The transparent hypocrisy is astounding.

https://bangordailynews.com/2017/12/06/politics/collins-and-king-join-chorus-calling-for-al-frankens-resignation/

QuoteSen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, told CNN that "it would be best for the Senate" if Franken "followed the advice of his Democratic colleagues

https://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/06/politics/senators-al-franken-resignation/index.html

QuoteSome comments were elaborate, lengthy and loaded with a moral message. Others, like that of Sen. Claire McCaskill of Missouri, were straight to the point.
"Al Franken should resign," she simply tweeted.
Within the next 90 minutes, 16 Democrats -- 10 of them women -- and one Republican senator -- Susan Collins of Maine -- had publicly urged their colleague to vacate his seat.

Maybe it's because there wasn't a single solitary shred of evidence in the Kavanaugh situation, but feel free to believe whatever you want. Interesting that the therapists notes have never been released......supposedly she said she was a LATE teen and was attacked by 4 people instead of 2

sid waddell

Quote from: whitey on October 06, 2018, 12:10:31 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 05, 2018, 11:21:03 PM
Amazing stuff. Susan Collins called for Al Franken to resign.

I guess it's totally different because Bart O'Kavanagh is a Republican nominee.

The transparent hypocrisy is astounding.

https://bangordailynews.com/2017/12/06/politics/collins-and-king-join-chorus-calling-for-al-frankens-resignation/

QuoteSen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, told CNN that "it would be best for the Senate" if Franken "followed the advice of his Democratic colleagues

https://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/06/politics/senators-al-franken-resignation/index.html

QuoteSome comments were elaborate, lengthy and loaded with a moral message. Others, like that of Sen. Claire McCaskill of Missouri, were straight to the point.
"Al Franken should resign," she simply tweeted.
Within the next 90 minutes, 16 Democrats -- 10 of them women -- and one Republican senator -- Susan Collins of Maine -- had publicly urged their colleague to vacate his seat.

Maybe it's because there wasn't a single solitary shred of evidence in the Kavanaugh situation, but feel free to believe whatever you want. Interesting that the therapists notes have never been released......supposedly she said she was a LATE teen and was attacked by 4 people instead of 2
Three accusers, two of them not even interviewed, at least a score of corroborating witnesses not interviewed and others with information stonewalled on the instruction of Trump.

But none of that is "evidence", apparently.

A sham investigation designed to get a sham result that the sham president who designed it wanted.

Which is clear evidence of a brazen cover up.

Which, predictably, you approve of. It's by Republicans, after all.

Oraisteach

In an interview to be a Supreme Court justice, he lied . . . . under OATH.  That's right, a judge! That should have disqualified him on the spot.

It was not a trial, just an interview, so the standard was not "beyond a reasonable doubt," but was, as Collins pointed out, simply whom do you believe more?  With a legion of other viable candidates, he should simply have been turned down.

Gabriel_Hurl

Gmac being fast and loose with the truth again re: Franken.

He wasn't filmed groping a sleeping woman


sid waddell

One could come to a very logical conclusion about whether whitey believes Harvey Weinstein, Bill Cosby, Jimmy Savile or Brendan Smyth were innocent or guilty.

Because according to him a victim reporting a rape or an attempted rape after the fact does not count as evidence.

And therefore, according to whitey's logic, these men are totally innocent.


Gmac

Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 06, 2018, 01:02:01 AM
Gmac being fast and loose with the truth again re: Franken.

He wasn't filmed groping a sleeping woman


what is he doing?

whitey

Quote from: sid waddell on October 06, 2018, 01:15:27 AM
One could come to a very logical conclusion about whether whitey believes Harvey Weinstein, Bill Cosby, Jimmy Savile or Brendan Smyth were innocent or guilty.

Because according to him a victim reporting a rape or an attempted rape after the fact does not count as evidence.

And therefore, according to whitey's logic, these men are totally innocent.

Her story just doesn't add up. 

Her best friend who was supposedly there at the party said she didn't even know Brett Kavanaugh and has no recollection of such a gathering even taking place. (and now it looks like she was pressurized by Fords team to alter her original sworn testimony)

The 2 or 3 other people who were supposedly present haven't a fvckin clue what she's talking about either

The 2 pillars of her story, the therapists report fand the polygraph haven't been handed over to either the FBI or the Senate judiciary committee-WHY?

It's a free country, believe what you want

heganboy

Quote from: joemamas on October 05, 2018, 02:16:02 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on October 05, 2018, 01:36:48 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 05, 2018, 10:45:01 AM
Quote from: whitey on October 05, 2018, 03:23:52 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 05, 2018, 03:04:13 AM
More bullshit waffle from the forum's chief Trump sycophant.

A cheerleader with a short skirt and pom poms without a trace of balls to admit what they are.

Like Richard Hammond and Jeff Flake, you're trapped between two different forms of cowardice.

Why did Hillary lose?

For exhibit A please see above
You and all the other far right fruitcakes need to abandon your irrational obsession with the Clintons. It's really unhealthy. Sort of Gemma O'Doherty-esque.

Believing in law and order/innocent until proven guilty = "far right fruitcake"?

I know none of us here affect American elections but if conversations like this are occurring across the states then we are in for two terms of Trump. Democrats are isolating themselves from the middle/swing voter by indulging these people.


I live in the US, so I will give you my two cents.

you are so correct on last point.

What do dems stand for, they don't even know. they don't have a leg to stand on regarding the economy.

Reality is that the economy is booming, the unemployment rate fell to 3.7% this morning, lowest since 1969.
Corporate tax cuts and less regulation across all industries are helping capital spending= more jobs being created by small to mid sized companies=higher salaries, I sincerely doubt that Amazon upped their minimum wage to $15 this week just because they wanted to be nice. The most likely did it to hold on to workers. That is a huge positive, and from what you read salary increases are occurring industry wide, which is great. wages and benefits for lower paid workers were too low to sustain a decent living.

In Short;
Dem strategy appears to be pro worker but anti-business. Reality it does not work.
Republician strategy is to cut corporate and individual taxes, reduce regulations, encourage companies to set up shop here hire more people, and the increased tax receipts from higher GDP will hopefully pay for additional services.

At the moment here, despite all the negative sh*t you are bombarded with on the TV,  consumer confidence is very high, I travel a good bit for work and it genuinely seems to be not just in the North East.

Finally, Can Trump take all the credit, no. Do I agree with everything he does, absolutely not, However he has a business background and he has listened (sometimes) to some bright people and two years into his presidency his pro business policies are now paying dividends for workers.

As for the Dems, (my wife is a registered one), and she has even admitted that the current strategy of trying to stop Kavanaugh is all about getting their base motivated ahead of the mid-term elections. As for their economic strategy, non existent.

Ah now, bit of reading wouldn't go amiss.

Dem strategy is anti business, and Trump has a business background. I would fact check those two for a start.

Amazon's minimum wage is a factor of many things. Hold on to workers? Try share holder pressure and recruitment issues with the threat of significant legal action globally.

You may want to take a look at basic economic theory, before you start claiming a political party doesn't have a leg to stand in. The is economy is unsurprisingly remarakbly complicated, but never in history has a tax cut for the richest when there is a significant wage gap created anything other a temporary bump in equity prices, no trickle down, no investment, no repatriation of profits.

Sadly however there is no upside to mainstream politicians or the rich  to educating poor people in basic economic theory, And it's even better when you don't understand what liberal or socialist means and you turn them into a slur...
Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity

omochain

Quote from: Gmac on October 06, 2018, 01:37:54 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 06, 2018, 01:02:01 AM
Gmac being fast and loose with the truth again re: Franken.

He wasn't filmed groping a sleeping woman


what is he doing?

Was he touching her GMAC or just faking it. I thought Democrats were "fakers"

seafoid

#13003
Alexander Hamilton

https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Hamilton/01-12-02-0184-0002

The truth unquestionably is, that the only path to a subversion of the republican system of the Country is, by flattering the prejudices of the people, and exciting their jealousies and apprehensions, to throw affairs into confusion, and bring on civil commotion. Tired at length of anarchy, or want of government, they may take shelter in the arms of monarchy for repose and security.
Those then, who resist a confirmation of public order, are the true Artificers of monarchy—not that this is the intention of the generality of them. Yet it would not be difficult to lay the finger upon some of their party who may justly be suspected. When a man unprincipled in private life desperate in his fortune, bold in his temper, possessed of considerable talents, having the advantage of military habits—despotic in his ordinary demeanour—known to have scoffed in private at the principles of liberty—when such a man is seen to mount the hobby horse of popularity—to join in the cry of danger to liberty—to take every opportunity of embarrassing the General Government & bringing it under suspicion—to flatter and fall in with all the non sense of the zealots of the day—It may justly be suspected that his object is to throw things into confusion that he may "ride the storm and direct the whirlwind."
It has aptly been observed that Cato was the Tory-Cæsar the whig of his day. The former frequently resisted—the latter always flattered the follies of the people. Yet the former perished with the Republic the latter destroyed it.
No popular Government was ever without its Catalines & its Cæsars. These are its true enemies."

The institutions of the US depend on the integrity of the people who run them. Their credibility cannot be guaranteed.


"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

omochain

Quote from: heganboy on October 06, 2018, 04:59:37 AM
Quote from: joemamas on October 05, 2018, 02:16:02 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on October 05, 2018, 01:36:48 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 05, 2018, 10:45:01 AM
Quote from: whitey on October 05, 2018, 03:23:52 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 05, 2018, 03:04:13 AM
More bullshit waffle from the forum's chief Trump sycophant.

A cheerleader with a short skirt and pom poms without a trace of balls to admit what they are.

Like Richard Hammond and Jeff Flake, you're trapped between two different forms of cowardice.

Why did Hillary lose?

For exhibit A please see above
You and all the other far right fruitcakes need to abandon your irrational obsession with the Clintons. It's really unhealthy. Sort of Gemma O'Doherty-esque.

Believing in law and order/innocent until proven guilty = "far right fruitcake"?

I know none of us here affect American elections but if conversations like this are occurring across the states then we are in for two terms of Trump. Democrats are isolating themselves from the middle/swing voter by indulging these people.


I live in the US, so I will give you my two cents.

you are so correct on last point.

What do dems stand for, they don't even know. they don't have a leg to stand on regarding the economy.

Reality is that the economy is booming, the unemployment rate fell to 3.7% this morning, lowest since 1969.
Corporate tax cuts and less regulation across all industries are helping capital spending= more jobs being created by small to mid sized companies=higher salaries, I sincerely doubt that Amazon upped their minimum wage to $15 this week just because they wanted to be nice. The most likely did it to hold on to workers. That is a huge positive, and from what you read salary increases are occurring industry wide, which is great. wages and benefits for lower paid workers were too low to sustain a decent living.

In Short;
Dem strategy appears to be pro worker but anti-business. Reality it does not work.
Republician strategy is to cut corporate and individual taxes, reduce regulations, encourage companies to set up shop here hire more people, and the increased tax receipts from higher GDP will hopefully pay for additional services.

At the moment here, despite all the negative sh*t you are bombarded with on the TV,  consumer confidence is very high, I travel a good bit for work and it genuinely seems to be not just in the North East.

Finally, Can Trump take all the credit, no. Do I agree with everything he does, absolutely not, However he has a business background and he has listened (sometimes) to some bright people and two years into his presidency his pro business policies are now paying dividends for workers.

As for the Dems, (my wife is a registered one), and she has even admitted that the current strategy of trying to stop Kavanaugh is all about getting their base motivated ahead of the mid-term elections. As for their economic strategy, non existent.

Ah now, bit of reading wouldn't go amiss.

Dem strategy is anti business, and Trump has a business background. I would fact check those two for a start.

Amazon's minimum wage is a factor of many things. Hold on to workers? Try share holder pressure and recruitment issues with the threat of significant legal action globally.

You may want to take a look at basic economic theory, before you start claiming a political party doesn't have a leg to stand in. The is economy is unsurprisingly remarakbly complicated, but never in history has a tax cut for the richest when there is a significant wage gap created anything other a temporary bump in equity prices, no trickle down, no investment, no repatriation of profits.

Sadly however there is no upside to mainstream politicians or the rich  to educating poor people in basic economic theory, And it's even better when you don't understand what liberal or socialist means and you turn them into a slur...

Joemamas.... you are right the economy is doing well currently. Simply put, a continuation of the 8 years of job and economic growth that The previous administration maintained despite Republican sniping. (You will remember who promoted the trickledown voodoo economics that caused the crash and who fixed it) The Trump tax cuts, mostly 85% give backs to the wealthy have done very little to narrow the wealth gap and have merely put the Economy on a "sugar" high which will crash pretty soon. If something is not done to pump up real demand; putting cash in the pockets of people who will spend it in the US immediately ( An example would be a huge amount of investment in infrastructure immediately) we will not sustain the current levels of growth. This current tax cut spend will not sustain increased demand much past the end of the year and  flame out due to inflation and increased health care costs. The increased healthcare costs will be taken out of "joe the plumbers" pocket because of the attacks on Obamacare by the Republicans. However he will keep on voting for them because he knows one day he will become a billionaire and God has told him it's the right thing to do. Ahhhhh I'm too tired to finish this but I hope you get the drift.