Congress

[Rossfan]

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/1005/1250939-sweeney-in-favour-of-a-secondary-football-competition/

[Eire90]

will provincial championships have finals if it goes to a league format would Munster have like the first two teams play in the final or not if not then we may never seen provincial finals for Munster and connaght again.

[Eire90]

See it wasn't a quarter final either, of which there's 4. It was a Super 8 match, of which there's 12.

And it was mid table in terms of attendance figures for a super 8 match, nowhere near the bottom.

according to the gaa the super 8s were officially called the all ireland  quarter final group stage but i know what you mean.

[Eire90]

They need to ditch provincials in huring aswell well not linked to all ireland

[Eire90]

Do some say the ulster final kind of lots its magic more and more over the years since they brought in the backdoor.

[Eire90]

if proposal b happens then i think the should have a neutral weekend  so then each team will  have 3 home 3 away games and  a neutral but the GAA Council probably do not look at this forum so that probably wont happen.

[Eire90]

Tyrone v Dublin in castlebar on a summer  saturday evening  could be great.

[An Watcher]

I honestly think that all these systems n things could just be replaced with an open draw.  The numbers are close to perfect, 32/33 or whatever.  Possibly play the provincial championships before, after or during the all ireland series.  Let the dublins, kerrys and tyrones of the world play weakened teams in the provincial if need be.  The lesser teams would have their shit at all ireland glory and a shot at the provincial to boot.  They might have a better chance of provincial glory with weakened big teams

[Eire90]

I honestly think that all these systems n things could just be replaced with an open draw.  The numbers are close to perfect, 32/33 or whatever.  Possibly play the provincial championships before, after or during the all ireland series.  Let the dublins, kerrys and tyrones of the world play weakened teams in the provincial if need be.  The lesser teams would have their shit at all ireland glory and a shot at the provincial to boot.  They might have a better chance of provincial glory with weakened big teams

same but they will never do open draw they had a chance the last two seasons as a novelty and they did not do it.

[tiempo]

Proposal B is as close as it gets to perfect. The Provincial champs should be guaranteed a place in the last 16, leaving 12 places up for grabs via the league with reps coming from all 4 divisions in the race for Sam, while the remaining 16 play for the Tailteann Cup. Should be renamed to something more personable e.g. Paidi O'Se or Dermot Early Cup. The final also has to be played as a double header with the Sam Maguire final, anything less and it'll be perceived as a token gesture.

Bastardising the Ulster champ to bulk the Connacht champ, no thanks, the format for arriving at who goes to Connacht and subsequent group stage in Connacht is frankly insane.

Tyrone v Dublin in Castlebar, waste of time.

Super 8s, too elitist.

I fully understand the Ulster CEO's position, he has a fight on his hands to preserve 100+ years of history and tradition and the only provincial champ left worth a fvck, he doesn't want it to go down on his watch. Economics also play a huge part, the Ulster champ is the major funding stream for the Ulster council and the jewel in their crown, without it they become irrelevant... but its staying.

As for it becoming a pre-season comp played in the muck and shit. You seen how serious GAA people like Mickey Harte treated the McKenna Cup, with respect, compared to that eejit in Donegal who wouldn't field a team cus of some third level games the same weekend. No-one in Ulster would denigrate the Ulster champ. As for the timing and weather, tough shit, club players have to make do with Sept-Nov to play championship knockout.

There will be some serious strokes being pulled all over the place to get both these proposals rejected, it won't be pretty behind the scenes, but if the last President election is anything to go by anything is possible.

If proposal B hits the pan now there will be some serious disenfranchised county players and management throughout the country and it'll take another 5 years to get anyway close to this kind of meaningful change.

[Eire90]

i wouldn't even mind them bringing in an open draw tournament separate from the all ireland but they be no room in calendar

[sid waddell]

As for it becoming a pre-season comp played in the muck and shit. You seen how serious GAA people like Mickey Harte treated the McKenna Cup, with respect, compared to that eejit in Donegal who wouldn't field a team cus of some third level games the same weekend. No-one in Ulster would denigrate the Ulster champ.

Of course they would.

Sure teams routinely disrespected the knockout stages of the NFL. I've been at NFL semi-finals which had all the intensity of the old Goal post-All-Ireland charity match.

And the NFL is a national title.

[tiempo]

As for it becoming a pre-season comp played in the muck and shit. You seen how serious GAA people like Mickey Harte treated the McKenna Cup, with respect, compared to that eejit in Donegal who wouldn't field a team cus of some third level games the same weekend. No-one in Ulster would denigrate the Ulster champ.

Of course they would.

Sure teams routinely disrespected the knockout stages of the NFL. I've been at NFL semi-finals which had all the intensity of the old Goal post-All-Ireland charity match.

And the NFL is a national title.

Nice hyperbole.

A provincial knockout title linked to the All-Ireland won against your local rivals is worth more than a league title which doesn't feed into the championship.

[Eire90]

you still got provincial club championships linked to all ireland club so you can get your provincial fix that way club provincials probably more competitive than county anyway.

[sid waddell]

As for it becoming a pre-season comp played in the muck and shit. You seen how serious GAA people like Mickey Harte treated the McKenna Cup, with respect, compared to that eejit in Donegal who wouldn't field a team cus of some third level games the same weekend. No-one in Ulster would denigrate the Ulster champ.

Of course they would.

Sure teams routinely disrespected the knockout stages of the NFL. I've been at NFL semi-finals which had all the intensity of the old Goal post-All-Ireland charity match.

And the NFL is a national title.

Nice hyperbole.

A provincial knockout title linked to the All-Ireland won against your local rivals is worth more than a league title which doesn't feed into the championship.

Under Proposal B the "Ulster Championship" becomes the McKenna Cup.

It is not linked to the championship.

It is therefore meaningless.