https://www.rte.ie/news/2022/0901/1319994-referee-roscommon/
Got to say as a regular attendee at club GAA games both underage & adult, the above comes as no surprise. Once people step into a GAA ground, its almost like they feel an amnesty for unacceptable social behavior has taken place. Verbal abuse of referees is fine, sometimes even assaults, mass brawls like the one up in county Down is fine too. Abuse between opposition coaches is common place.
Anybody who wants to be a GAA referee must hate themselves. They get no protection. I think we are going to face a chronic shortage of referees in the coming years.
The GAA has to change its culture, much like rugby, where they do not tolerate abusive behavior.
Sure you just make an appeal and get off anyway so they should not bother have referees anymore, let everyone at it and we can have faction fighting like the good old days. And before you throw stones at the GAA ask yourselves how many times has your club or county made appeals against the decision of a referee. There is a culture in the GAA of their being no accountability for anything so why would you stop abusing the ref, players, mentors, coaches etc and that culture is from top to bottom and from bottom to top.
If he was from your club how many people your club would give witness statements to the Garda or PSNI do you think? The answer is less than 1. That is the issue.
That guy should be looking at a criminal record. But is it any different from a corner forward striking the corner back?
The GAA are there own worst enemy on this. Shitty appeals, people getting off and it gives the impression that you can do whatever you want.
was it the manager that struck the ref?
Quote from: trailer on September 01, 2022, 12:31:29 PM
If he was from your club how many people your club would give witness statements to the Garda or PSNI do you think? The answer is less than 1. That is the issue.
That guy should be looking at a criminal record. But is it any different from a corner forward striking the corner back?
The GAA are there own worst enemy on this. Shitty appeals, people getting off and it gives the impression that you can do whatever you want.
Striking a match official is worse than giving a corner back a belt.
Also Gardaí are more respected than PSNI. ..
Quote from: clarshack on September 01, 2022, 12:41:25 PM
was it the manager that struck the ref?
Apparently a mentor of one of the clubs involved. Was not at the game. Seen some footage, an ambulance was required.
Quote from: trailer on September 01, 2022, 12:31:29 PM
If he was from your club how many people your club would give witness statements to the Garda or PSNI do you think? The answer is less than 1. That is the issue.
That guy should be looking at a criminal record. But is it any different from a corner forward striking the corner back?
The GAA are there own worst enemy on this. Shitty appeals, people getting off and it gives the impression that you can do whatever you want.
If the club won't cooperate and they conspire to hide the guilty party, they should be booted the f**k out of all competitions until they see the light.
The GAA and GAA culture is far too indulgent of nonsense and violence all across the board.
Quote from: seafoid on September 01, 2022, 12:45:25 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 01, 2022, 12:31:29 PM
If he was from your club how many people your club would give witness statements to the Garda or PSNI do you think? The answer is less than 1. That is the issue.
That guy should be looking at a criminal record. But is it any different from a corner forward striking the corner back?
The GAA are there own worst enemy on this. Shitty appeals, people getting off and it gives the impression that you can do whatever you want.
Striking a match official is worse than giving a corner back a belt.
Also Gardaí are more respected than PSNI. ..
How? They are both people. There should be no hierarchy.
That's an utterly ridiculous statement to make.
I put a link up on the page a while ago about the abuse and how it affects referee's doing their games and how they feel afterwards.. Decent article but not one comment about it, cause who gives a feck what the ref thinks?, he's always wrong any way.
There is far more abuse that ever before, people are just hallions and think that they can shout hurl abuse and be physical with a ref.
The main problem is, not enough referee's actually report abuse at games, they just want to get home and chill out, the drop off rate is alarming but sure 'we' don't care as long as some ejjit will do it.. The video see's the person come on to the pitch but you miss the contact with the ref, but he looks sparked out.
The police should be called as its assault un provoked and if someone sparked you out on the side of the street you'd have the police in, the worst is that the club know these guys are off the chart and should be no where near a ground.. Alcohol doesn't help as they maybe have a few before the game and standing behind the fence gives them a sense I can say what I want and away they go..
I love the craic of, its awful and this shouldn't happen, then you are at your next game giving the ref dogs abuse!!
+1
Just rotten and unnecessary. AH
Quote from: trailer on September 01, 2022, 12:54:51 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 01, 2022, 12:45:25 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 01, 2022, 12:31:29 PM
If he was from your club how many people your club would give witness statements to the Garda or PSNI do you think? The answer is less than 1. That is the issue.
That guy should be looking at a criminal record. But is it any different from a corner forward striking the corner back?
The GAA are there own worst enemy on this. Shitty appeals, people getting off and it gives the impression that you can do whatever you want.
Striking a match official is worse than giving a corner back a belt.
Also Gardaí are more respected than PSNI. ..
How? They are both people. There should be no hierarchy.
That's an utterly ridiculous statement to make.
Rugby makes the distinction.
https://rugbydome.com/why-are-rugby-referees-respected-and-called-sir/
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 01, 2022, 01:07:00 PM
I put a link up on the page a while ago about the abuse and how it affects referee's doing their games and how they feel afterwards.. Decent article but not one comment about it, cause who gives a feck what the ref thinks?, he's always wrong any way.
There is far more abuse that ever before, people are just hallions and think that they can shout hurl abuse and be physical with a ref.
The main problem is, not enough referee's actually report abuse at games, they just want to get home and chill out, the drop off rate is alarming but sure 'we' don't care as long as some ejjit will do it.. The video see's the person come on to the pitch but you miss the contact with the ref, but he looks sparked out.
The police should be called as its assault un provoked and if someone sparked you out on the side of the street you'd have the police in, the worst is that the club know these guys are off the chart and should be no where near a ground.. Alcohol doesn't help as they maybe have a few before the game and standing behind the fence gives them a sense I can say what I want and away they go..
I love the craic of, its awful and this shouldn't happen, then you are at your next game giving the ref dogs abuse!!
I missed your initial post but agree wholeheartedly with what you say.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S146902922200142X
That recent study makes sobering reading. The reasons for and some good solutions have been covered by earlier posters.
Quote from: seafoid on September 01, 2022, 01:28:15 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 01, 2022, 12:54:51 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 01, 2022, 12:45:25 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 01, 2022, 12:31:29 PM
If he was from your club how many people your club would give witness statements to the Garda or PSNI do you think? The answer is less than 1. That is the issue.
That guy should be looking at a criminal record. But is it any different from a corner forward striking the corner back?
The GAA are there own worst enemy on this. Shitty appeals, people getting off and it gives the impression that you can do whatever you want.
Striking a match official is worse than giving a corner back a belt.
Also Gardaí are more respected than PSNI. ..
How? They are both people. There should be no hierarchy.
That's an utterly ridiculous statement to make.
Rugby makes the distinction.
https://rugbydome.com/why-are-rugby-referees-respected-and-called-sir/
Its called Culture.
Culture is hard to change and slow to change. But you have to start somewhere and I think a basic thing of getting a long ban and upholding the word of the referee on appeal are the small basics that make a difference.
Quote from: J70 on September 01, 2022, 12:51:09 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 01, 2022, 12:31:29 PM
If he was from your club how many people your club would give witness statements to the Garda or PSNI do you think? The answer is less than 1. That is the issue.
That guy should be looking at a criminal record. But is it any different from a corner forward striking the corner back?
The GAA are there own worst enemy on this. Shitty appeals, people getting off and it gives the impression that you can do whatever you want.
If the club won't cooperate and they conspire to hide the guilty party, they should be booted the f**k out of all competitions until they see the light.
The GAA and GAA culture is far too indulgent of nonsense and violence all across the board.
+1
Quote from: Itchy on September 01, 2022, 12:21:18 PM
Sure you just make an appeal and get off anyway so they should not bother have referees anymore, let everyone at it and we can have faction fighting like the good old days. And before you throw stones at the GAA ask yourselves how many times has your club or county made appeals against the decision of a referee. There is a culture in the GAA of their being no accountability for anything so why would you stop abusing the ref, players, mentors, coaches etc and that culture is from top to bottom and from bottom to top.
As someone with experience of this, as soon as punishments come out clubs have a tendency of closing ranks and circling the wagons, especially if the punishments go beyond the individual and affect the club itself. That is when the murky world of appeals and attempts at mitigating punishments comes into it's own.
too many small man in a small village syndrome idiots in gaa nothing will change to small man in a small village culture is gone
These people also claim to be part of some sort of gaa family so they dont see refs as part of the gaa commmunity or other players these people claim to be a community seems to me they are infiltrating the gaa as a avenue to spread their toxic stuff.
Quote from: Itchy on September 01, 2022, 01:49:21 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 01, 2022, 01:28:15 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 01, 2022, 12:54:51 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 01, 2022, 12:45:25 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 01, 2022, 12:31:29 PM
If he was from your club how many people your club would give witness statements to the Garda or PSNI do you think? The answer is less than 1. That is the issue.
That guy should be looking at a criminal record. But is it any different from a corner forward striking the corner back?
The GAA are there own worst enemy on this. Shitty appeals, people getting off and it gives the impression that you can do whatever you want.
Striking a match official is worse than giving a corner back a belt.
Also Gardaí are more respected than PSNI. ..
How? They are both people. There should be no hierarchy.
That's an utterly ridiculous statement to make.
Rugby makes the distinction.
https://rugbydome.com/why-are-rugby-referees-respected-and-called-sir/
Its called Culture.
Culture is hard to change and slow to change. But you have to start somewhere and I think a basic thing of getting a long ban and upholding the word of the referee on appeal are the small basics that make a difference.
very seldom you would see a rugby match and not have a series of assults, maybe not of refs though.
A lot of that is a lot of the refs they grew up with were the 'Masters' in their posh Private schools and it would not do to assult them
was the guy that struck the ref another hanger on does gaa have a hanger on problem.
Quote from: Tyrdub on September 01, 2022, 01:58:52 PM
Quote from: Itchy on September 01, 2022, 12:21:18 PM
Sure you just make an appeal and get off anyway so they should not bother have referees anymore, let everyone at it and we can have faction fighting like the good old days. And before you throw stones at the GAA ask yourselves how many times has your club or county made appeals against the decision of a referee. There is a culture in the GAA of their being no accountability for anything so why would you stop abusing the ref, players, mentors, coaches etc and that culture is from top to bottom and from bottom to top.
As someone with experience of this, as soon as punishments come out clubs have a tendency of closing ranks and circling the wagons, especially if the punishments go beyond the individual and affect the club itself. That is when the murky world of appeals and attempts at mitigating punishments comes into it's own.
The individual should be identified and dealt with, if he is a mentor he should be banned from mentoring/coaching/managing teams again, no appeals either especially if its been recorded..
If the club has a history of this stuff then yeah hitting the club will be a good thing, but if its some buck eejit then what can ya do?
When clubmen laugh it off and blame the ref for it anyways then "he had it coming to him". Zero tolerance, I would even endorse moving the ball forward if the line was giving off, and multiple times if thats what it takes to get past the abuse. Decision is given and its never changed, why the need to go on
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 01, 2022, 02:35:40 PM
Quote from: Tyrdub on September 01, 2022, 01:58:52 PM
Quote from: Itchy on September 01, 2022, 12:21:18 PM
Sure you just make an appeal and get off anyway so they should not bother have referees anymore, let everyone at it and we can have faction fighting like the good old days. And before you throw stones at the GAA ask yourselves how many times has your club or county made appeals against the decision of a referee. There is a culture in the GAA of their being no accountability for anything so why would you stop abusing the ref, players, mentors, coaches etc and that culture is from top to bottom and from bottom to top.
As someone with experience of this, as soon as punishments come out clubs have a tendency of closing ranks and circling the wagons, especially if the punishments go beyond the individual and affect the club itself. That is when the murky world of appeals and attempts at mitigating punishments comes into it's own.
The individual should be identified and dealt with, if he is a mentor he should be banned from mentoring/coaching/managing teams again, no appeals either especially if its been recorded..
If the club has a history of this stuff then yeah hitting the club will be a good thing, but if its some buck eejit then what can ya do?
When clubmen laugh it off and blame the ref for it anyways then "he had it coming to him". Zero tolerance, I would even endorse moving the ball forward if the line was giving off, and multiple times if thats what it takes to get past the abuse. Decision is given and its never changed, why the need to go on
Hit the club, ban them from that competition or whatever. It would be a start and would begin to stamp it out. It is only a matter of time until someone is punched and kilt or leave with life changing injuries.
But the reality is nothing will be done. We've been talking about this since time began.
Quote from: rosnarun on September 01, 2022, 02:32:04 PM
Quote from: Itchy on September 01, 2022, 01:49:21 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 01, 2022, 01:28:15 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 01, 2022, 12:54:51 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 01, 2022, 12:45:25 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 01, 2022, 12:31:29 PM
If he was from your club how many people your club would give witness statements to the Garda or PSNI do you think? The answer is less than 1. That is the issue.
That guy should be looking at a criminal record. But is it any different from a corner forward striking the corner back?
The GAA are there own worst enemy on this. Shitty appeals, people getting off and it gives the impression that you can do whatever you want.
Striking a match official is worse than giving a corner back a belt.
Also Gardaí are more respected than PSNI. ..
How? They are both people. There should be no hierarchy.
That's an utterly ridiculous statement to make.
Rugby makes the distinction.
https://rugbydome.com/why-are-rugby-referees-respected-and-called-sir/
Its called Culture.
Culture is hard to change and slow to change. But you have to start somewhere and I think a basic thing of getting a long ban and upholding the word of the referee on appeal are the small basics that make a difference.
very seldom you would see a rugby match and not have a series of assults, maybe not of refs though.
A lot of that is a lot of the refs they grew up with were the 'Masters' in their posh Private schools and it would not do to assult them
Complete and utter certified nonsense.
Quote from: gallsman on September 01, 2022, 02:44:26 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 01, 2022, 02:32:04 PM
Quote from: Itchy on September 01, 2022, 01:49:21 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 01, 2022, 01:28:15 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 01, 2022, 12:54:51 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 01, 2022, 12:45:25 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 01, 2022, 12:31:29 PM
If he was from your club how many people your club would give witness statements to the Garda or PSNI do you think? The answer is less than 1. That is the issue.
That guy should be looking at a criminal record. But is it any different from a corner forward striking the corner back?
The GAA are there own worst enemy on this. Shitty appeals, people getting off and it gives the impression that you can do whatever you want.
Striking a match official is worse than giving a corner back a belt.
Also Gardaí are more respected than PSNI. ..
How? They are both people. There should be no hierarchy.
That's an utterly ridiculous statement to make.
Rugby makes the distinction.
https://rugbydome.com/why-are-rugby-referees-respected-and-called-sir/
Its called Culture.
Culture is hard to change and slow to change. But you have to start somewhere and I think a basic thing of getting a long ban and upholding the word of the referee on appeal are the small basics that make a difference.
very seldom you would see a rugby match and not have a series of assults, maybe not of refs though.
A lot of that is a lot of the refs they grew up with were the 'Masters' in their posh Private schools and it would not do to assult them
Complete and utter certified nonsense.
Rosnarun, that's pure balls and has nothing to do about ref's getting physically abused on the pitch,
Refereeing 12 years now (vast majority has been underage games) and you could count on one hand the amount of times I've felt physically threatened, each time I reported it I was never told if there was a punishment of any sort, even if there was I doubt it was enforced. However it doesnt put me off doing the job as 99% of the time it is enjoyable, my opinion will probably change very quickly if it ever crosses from being a threat to an actual assault!
Quote from: Eire90 on September 01, 2022, 02:34:30 PM
was the guy that struck the ref another hanger on does gaa have a hanger on problem.
I believe both teams involved had between 6 / 7 managers/ mentors / coaches / trainers. Having 12 -14 mentors & only one refereeing official on a pitch at a given time is a huge issue. Very intimidating for the lad / lassie on their own. 4 club mentors only should be inside the fence. I see clubs where the local village idiot ends up on the pitch doing linesman / umpire / stuck in a dugout, shouting & roaring like an ape. Every club seems to have a few, GAA club officials are afraid of them.
Some referees are afraid of making big calls during a game, therefore lose respect & the game can end up in turmoil. I also hate to see mentors / players / supporters trying to influence the referees decision making. I just see a huge amount of agression out there at the moment.
Terrible incident and I hope the ref recovers fully. As for yer man, may he never be near a game again.
But we have a wider problem in the GAA that club committees are all voluntary and can be close knit, and it's really putting them in an impossible position asking them to throw one of their own out. In this case it would be clear cut and couldn't be argued with, but if you've ever sat on a committee there'll be times when someone should be disciplined but the repercussions in family circles, neighbours etc is a horrendous dilemma. That's why blind eye gets turned and then bang, something like this can happen. You can have all the safeguarding policies in the world but the amateur nature of the GAA and it's parish/family structure throws up this problem.
Quote from: Sportacus on September 01, 2022, 03:03:02 PM
Terrible incident and I hope the ref recovers fully. As for yer man, may he never be near a game again.
But we have a wider problem in the GAA that club committees are all voluntary and can be close knit, and it's really putting them in an impossible position asking them to throw one of their own out. In this case it would be clear cut and couldn't be argued with, but if you've ever sat on a committee there'll be times when someone should be disciplined but the repercussions in family circles, neighbours etc is a horrendous dilemma. That's why blind eye gets turned and then bang, something like this can happen. You can have all the safeguarding policies in the world but the amateur nature of the GAA and it's parish/family structure throws up this problem.
Good post & exactly how it is.
We had an amazing experience where one of our underage players was physically attacked by adults and players in Antrim league.
Guess what because we weren't from Antrim the referee didn't notice it, nothing in his report at all about pitch invasion and assaults. He was right beside it lol
Quote from: Sportacus on September 01, 2022, 03:03:02 PM
Terrible incident and I hope the ref recovers fully. As for yer man, may he never be near a game again.
But we have a wider problem in the GAA that club committees are all voluntary and can be close knit, and it's really putting them in an impossible position asking them to throw one of their own out. In this case it would be clear cut and couldn't be argued with, but if you've ever sat on a committee there'll be times when someone should be disciplined but the repercussions in family circles, neighbours etc is a horrendous dilemma. That's why blind eye gets turned and then bang, something like this can happen. You can have all the safeguarding policies in the world but the amateur nature of the GAA and it's parish/family structure throws up this problem.
Other sports have the same issue and punching a ref gets you a 3 year ban. No if's. No buts.
It's a cultural issue as in the GAA community tolerate it. There will be some pearl clutching and nothing will happen.
A few things that could be done to help prevent this are,
Limiting the number of people inside the wire.
Only those inside the wire are the starting players, limited number of subs eg. 5 one medic and 2 of the management team (they are not allowed inside unless they have they required vetting, safeguarding and coaching certs). All names on the team sheet. Only club officials who have underwent official GAA training for umpiring or linesman can do that role.
Meaning clubs would need to ensure everyone has the required training if the person is to be inside the wire.
Would stop the local lunatic being involved as they see themselves above training courses. Would also mean the club would need to put a lot people forward for the training to ensure someone can be inside the wire.
Strong sanctions on anyone entering the playing area if not one of the listed names on the team sheets.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 01, 2022, 02:46:52 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 01, 2022, 02:44:26 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 01, 2022, 02:32:04 PM
Quote from: Itchy on September 01, 2022, 01:49:21 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 01, 2022, 01:28:15 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 01, 2022, 12:54:51 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 01, 2022, 12:45:25 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 01, 2022, 12:31:29 PM
If he was from your club how many people your club would give witness statements to the Garda or PSNI do you think? The answer is less than 1. That is the issue.
That guy should be looking at a criminal record. But is it any different from a corner forward striking the corner back?
The GAA are there own worst enemy on this. Shitty appeals, people getting off and it gives the impression that you can do whatever you want.
Striking a match official is worse than giving a corner back a belt.
Also Gardaí are more respected than PSNI. ..
How? They are both people. There should be no hierarchy.
That's an utterly ridiculous statement to make.
Rugby makes the distinction.
https://rugbydome.com/why-are-rugby-referees-respected-and-called-sir/
Its called Culture.
Culture is hard to change and slow to change. But you have to start somewhere and I think a basic thing of getting a long ban and upholding the word of the referee on appeal are the small basics that make a difference.
very seldom you would see a rugby match and not have a series of assults, maybe not of refs though.
A lot of that is a lot of the refs they grew up with were the 'Masters' in their posh Private schools and it would not do to assult them
Complete and utter certified nonsense.
Rosnarun, that's pure balls and has nothing to do about ref's getting physically abused on the pitch,
not at all .
Rugby is such a small closeted world, every one knows every one and that leads to a form of respect.
and as for the the assaults' they just use different names for it .
Argybargy spirited passionate being some of them.
Quote from: Stall the Bailer on September 01, 2022, 04:36:28 PM
A few things that could be done to help prevent this are,
Limiting the number of people inside the wire.
Only those inside the wire are the starting players, limited number of subs eg. 5 one medic and 2 of the management team (they are not allowed inside unless they have they required vetting, safeguarding and coaching certs). All names on the team sheet. Only club officials who have underwent official GAA training for umpiring or linesman can do that role.
Meaning clubs would need to ensure everyone has the required training if the person is to be inside the wire.
Would stop the local lunatic being involved as they see themselves above training courses. Would also mean the club would need to put a lot people forward for the training to ensure someone can be inside the wire.
Strong sanctions on anyone entering the playing area if not one of the listed names on the team sheets.
By the looks of the video he was one of the teams management and should have been on the teamsheet.
The club gets put out of that competition unless they put the culprit up for sanctions due to his actions. I'd say every dog in the area know exactly who he is.
The level of physical violence in the game has probably never been lower but these incidents get highlighted a lot more now through phone video footage and social media.
That clip is very disturbing because it is a team official assaulting a referee. You would have to question the character of the official who attacked the referee since that is not in any way normal behaviour.
WhatsApp doing the rounds names him as "psycho kenny" so obviously an individual with a reputation. Apparently it was only 30 seconds into the game. No ambiguity here, lifetime ban.
Quote from: johnnycool on September 01, 2022, 04:49:33 PM
Quote from: Stall the Bailer on September 01, 2022, 04:36:28 PM
A few things that could be done to help prevent this are,
Limiting the number of people inside the wire.
Only those inside the wire are the starting players, limited number of subs eg. 5 one medic and 2 of the management team (they are not allowed inside unless they have they required vetting, safeguarding and coaching certs). All names on the team sheet. Only club officials who have underwent official GAA training for umpiring or linesman can do that role.
Meaning clubs would need to ensure everyone has the required training if the person is to be inside the wire.
Would stop the local lunatic being involved as they see themselves above training courses. Would also mean the club would need to put a lot people forward for the training to ensure someone can be inside the wire.
Strong sanctions on anyone entering the playing area if not one of the listed names on the team sheets.
By the looks of the video he was one of the teams management and should have been on the teamsheet.
The club gets put out of that competition unless they put the culprit up for sanctions due to his actions. I'd say every dog in the area know exactly who he is.
Looks like he is a mentor. What I am saying is you can only become a mentor once you are vetted and done the relevant coaching and safeguarding courses. The person here may be vetted and have the relevant courses, but something like this should strip you of all that and prevent him ever being a mentor again.
Do you know who has vetting and coaching qualifications in your club? It should be the minimum requirement to deter the local head cases having a negative impact on everyone they encounter. As far as I can see there is little to no barriers to prevent the wrong people being involved.
back in the day would he not be getting a visit by people with no faces
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 01, 2022, 03:58:51 PM
We had an amazing experience where one of our underage players was physically attacked by adults and players in Antrim league.
Guess what because we weren't from Antrim the referee didn't notice it, nothing in his report at all about pitch invasion and assaults. He was right beside it lol
Well I was right besides some stuff that was supposed to happen and I didn't see it and was asked why I didn't see it and I answered I didn't see it, got to watch it back as it was recorded and low and behold, there was nothing to see!! You couldn't make it up
Ref discharged from Hospital today so hopefully all well with him.
Hopefully St Aidans do the right thing no matter what outcome from Co Board or any criminal investigations.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 01, 2022, 05:17:07 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 01, 2022, 03:58:51 PM
We had an amazing experience where one of our underage players was physically attacked by adults and players in Antrim league.
Guess what because we weren't from Antrim the referee didn't notice it, nothing in his report at all about pitch invasion and assaults. He was right beside it lol
Well I was right besides some stuff that was supposed to happen and I didn't see it and was asked why I didn't see it and I answered I didn't see it, got to watch it back as it was recorded and low and behold, there was nothing to see!! You couldn't make it up
Ye only thing was this wasn't like that. Gaeil an tsléibhe dhuibh. Gather up of thugs. Our lad ended up in royal a and é. Couldn't take their beating
It's a weird aspect that this is said to have happened 30 seconds into the game. I've never seen anyone get that angry in 30 seconds, after one decision? It looks premeditated.
Quote from: general_lee on September 01, 2022, 04:58:23 PM
WhatsApp doing the rounds names him as "psycho kenny" so obviously an individual with a reputation. Apparently it was only 30 seconds into the game. No ambiguity here, lifetime ban.
Also alleges a head butt, what a dirty coward. The club should get out ahead of the GAA and ban him for life from their club.
Quote from: Sportacus on September 01, 2022, 08:54:57 PM
It's a weird aspect that this is said to have happened 30 seconds into the game. I've never seen anyone get that angry in 30 seconds, after one decision? It looks premeditated.
it was the start of the 2nd half. From.the look and lack of movement of people on the sideline I am.not sure it was a headbutt or punch...
either way, you enter the field of play and touch a ref you deserve a big ban and whatever else comes his way...
should a guy with anger issues be in that environment
A life ban and prosecution is what the guy should be getting. Should be nowhere near a gaa club ever again in any capacity other than spectator and even at that.
Simple matter, an issue like this requires Garda involvement, not the Gaa hiding behind we sort it out with shitty sanctions, How someone like this is even Involved in underage games says something about the club he represents.
Quote from: general_lee on September 01, 2022, 04:58:23 PM
WhatsApp doing the rounds names him as "psycho kenny" so obviously an individual with a reputation. Apparently it was only 30 seconds into the game. No ambiguity here, lifetime ban.
Psycho Kenny? Que est que c'est?
Sorry, not to downplay the thread, but the song came into my head.
Back on topic, I agree with those that say this should be dealt with by AGS. Common assault (if that is the case here) on a GAA pitch should be no different to anywhere else.
Should note though, that the video I have seen does not show what has happened, but interviews with relevant people
should be enough to clarify.
Quote from: Stall the Bailer on September 01, 2022, 04:36:28 PM
Limiting the number of people inside the wire.
Only those inside the wire are the starting players, limited number of subs eg. 5 one medic and 2 of the management team (they are not allowed inside unless they have they required vetting, safeguarding and coaching certs). All names on the team sheet.
... and if the club don't name individuals, then everyone on the team sheet gets a 2 year ban.
Another referee was assaulted at the weekend in a Junior B game in Donegal by a player this time. No surprises as to the club involved.
Refs in Roscommon going on strike, all weekend games off!
Quote from: Rossfan on September 02, 2022, 08:40:44 AM
Refs in Roscommon going on strike, all weekend games off!
Pay rise? I hear Mick Lynch is on his way over
Quote from: Rossfan on September 02, 2022, 08:40:44 AM
Refs in Roscommon going on strike, all weekend games off!
I think this is the correct move, make a stand & force a change of culture in the GAA. The verbal abuse referees get is not acceptable either. The state law should be applied to assaults on GAA grounds too.
Quote from: Rudi on September 02, 2022, 08:48:20 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 02, 2022, 08:40:44 AM
Refs in Roscommon going on strike, all weekend games off!
I think this is the correct move, make a stand & force a change of culture in the GAA. The verbal abuse referees get is not acceptable either. The state law should be applied to assaults on GAA grounds too.
About time someone took a stand
The man is fairly identifable on the video, issue arises with the actual important part not on the video, meaning would the garda press charges if the Ref does not make a complaint. For the sake of refs up and down the country he should.
This individual needs to get some jail time.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 02, 2022, 09:25:09 AM
The man is fairly identifable on the video, issue arises with the actual important part not on the video, meaning would the garda press charges if the Ref does not make a complaint. For the sake of refs up and down the country he should.
I'm sure he'll put in the report he was assaulted, going to the Garda is another step that's a personal choice, hopefully he does.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 02, 2022, 08:40:44 AM
Refs in Roscommon going on strike, all weekend games off!
Larry McCarthy needs to speak out - any time now
Make it clear that the GAA - right to the very top supports this move by the referees
The only way it stops is the club gets an on-field punishment, whether it be close the pitch or suspend teams. It's crap for the people that work hard but the club let him be in that position. If he gets suspended, he'll be shouting over the wire in a couple of weeks. Some club will have to be made an example of to get through to people.
To lose the head after 30 seconds is a serious problem. How do you get wound up that quickly?
Most disturbing thing about the footage for me is that nobody else there seems to care. No mad rush to help the referee or apprehend the assailant.
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on September 02, 2022, 10:21:05 AM
The only way it stops is the club gets an on-field punishment, whether it be close the pitch or suspend teams. It's crap for the people that work hard but the club let him be in that position. If he gets suspended, he'll be shouting over the wire in a couple of weeks. Some club will have to be made an example of to get through to people.
To lose the head after 30 seconds is a serious problem. How do you get wound up that quickly?
You would wonder is there history between the two of them and was it pre-planned as he didn't look anyway agitated walking onto the field.
The game was about 2 minutes into the second half, when the incident happened.
Oh he throw sometime Down when he forseen a foul (which wasn't) on one of his players , then as the other teams defender won a free out, then proceeded to march out onto the field.
Quote from: Rudi on September 02, 2022, 10:36:02 AM
The game was about 2 minutes into the second half, when the incident happened.
That makes more sense - people were saying it was from the throw in, but it looked like a hop ball. Still doesn't really help your man though
Quote from: Cavan19 on September 02, 2022, 10:30:24 AM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on September 02, 2022, 10:21:05 AM
To lose the head after 30 seconds is a serious problem. How do you get wound up that quickly?
You would wonder is there history between the two of them and was it pre-planned as he didn't look anyway agitated walking onto the field.
Seen on twitter, so could be balls, that the guy's son got sent off in the first half
If true, and with the way he calmly walked on -did whatever he did - and returned to his spot,
It might be fair to say it was a premeditated, not a spur of the moment thing - the challenge & free in the video certainly don't seem to be enough to react like that!
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 02, 2022, 12:00:50 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 02, 2022, 10:28:17 AM
Most disturbing thing about the footage for me is that nobody else there seems to care. No mad rush to help the referee or apprehend the assailant.
It's like what I mentioned earlier, fight or flight. A lot of people would be reluctant in that scenario for not wanting to potentially escalate things.
Just to add, in my long time here on this forum, several times over the years on the Tyrone club thread it has been implied by some posters that bringing similar incidents like the one in question here to the attention of the PSNI if they occurred in Tyrone would be, to put it politely, frowned upon. F*ck that shit. You don't get leave way to assault people on a GAA pitch that you wouldn't get away with in a street or home.
This happened with us. A supporter of ours(not a paying member) was attacked by a player from opposing taem and badly injured, it led to a big melee. Both clubs got fined and that was it. The supporter then decided to take a personal case against the player, it was his own prerogative, totally outside our control. Because of that the decision was reversed and we lost all our home games for a year-that particular board didn't want PSNI involvement. Sad really
If you didn't involve the police when assaulted you are encouraging such behaviour, If a fight broke out in the crowd and someone ended up with a broken jaw, would we inform the police or just get on with it? I can't see any distinction between getting assaulted on the pitch or in the street
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 02, 2022, 01:11:20 PM
If you didn't involve the police when assaulted you are encouraging such behaviour, If a fight broke out in the crowd and someone ended up with a broken jaw, would we inform the police or just get on with it? I can't see any distinction between getting assaulted on the pitch or in the street
Here, here
Quote from: Rudi on September 02, 2022, 08:35:56 AM
Another referee was assaulted at the weekend in a Junior B game in Donegal by a player this time. No surprises as to the club involved.
Which club?
I've been out of the Donegal club scene for a long time now.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 02, 2022, 12:29:59 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 02, 2022, 12:00:50 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 02, 2022, 10:28:17 AM
Most disturbing thing about the footage for me is that nobody else there seems to care. No mad rush to help the referee or apprehend the assailant.
It's like what I mentioned earlier, fight or flight. A lot of people would be reluctant in that scenario for not wanting to potentially escalate things.
Just to add, in my long time here on this forum, several times over the years on the Tyrone club thread it has been implied by some posters that bringing similar incidents like the one in question here to the attention of the PSNI if they occurred in Tyrone would be, to put it politely, frowned upon. F*ck that shit. You don't get leave way to assault people on a GAA pitch that you wouldn't get away with in a street or home.
This happened with us. A supporter of ours(not a paying member) was attacked by a player from opposing taem and badly injured, it led to a big melee. Both clubs got fined and that was it. The supporter then decided to take a personal case against the player, it was his own prerogative, totally outside our control. Because of that the decision was reversed and we lost all our home games for a year-that particular board didn't want PSNI involvement. Sad really
That's really not good. I have seen that kind of side before at club level rather than county and it's not good and tbh it has to stop. It should come from the top that it has to.
Quote from: Stall the Bailer on September 01, 2022, 05:12:56 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 01, 2022, 04:49:33 PM
Quote from: Stall the Bailer on September 01, 2022, 04:36:28 PM
A few things that could be done to help prevent this are,
Limiting the number of people inside the wire.
Only those inside the wire are the starting players, limited number of subs eg. 5 one medic and 2 of the management team (they are not allowed inside unless they have they required vetting, safeguarding and coaching certs). All names on the team sheet. Only club officials who have underwent official GAA training for umpiring or linesman can do that role.
Meaning clubs would need to ensure everyone has the required training if the person is to be inside the wire.
Would stop the local lunatic being involved as they see themselves above training courses. Would also mean the club would need to put a lot people forward for the training to ensure someone can be inside the wire.
Strong sanctions on anyone entering the playing area if not one of the listed names on the team sheets.
By the looks of the video he was one of the teams management and should have been on the teamsheet.
The club gets put out of that competition unless they put the culprit up for sanctions due to his actions. I'd say every dog in the area know exactly who he is.
Looks like he is a mentor. What I am saying is you can only become a mentor once you are vetted and done the relevant coaching and safeguarding courses. The person here may be vetted and have the relevant courses, but something like this should strip you of all that and prevent him ever being a mentor again.
Do you know who has vetting and coaching qualifications in your club? It should be the minimum requirement to deter the local head cases having a negative impact on everyone they encounter. As far as I can see there is little to no barriers to prevent the wrong people being involved.
It is a requirement to be vetted (Access NI ) and have completed the child safeguarding course to be a coach in any club if you're following the rules of the association.
I've a list generated each year by the Ulster Council of who's up to date on their vetting and their child safeguarding. I'd say that's the same in most clubs/counties/provinces.
Roscommon Referee's Committee have withdrawn their services for all matches scheduled in the county for today, tomorrow and Sunday.
Do you lose your child vetting if you are convicted of assault?
Quote from: armaghniac on September 02, 2022, 04:11:17 PM
Do you lose your child vetting if you are convicted of assault?
I think Access NI only tells you what that person has, is there a separate part that refuses the person before he completes the course should he have a conviction of assault?
Quote from: armaghniac on September 02, 2022, 04:11:17 PM
Do you lose your child vetting if you are convicted of assault?
No. It's at the employers discretion, for some obvious offences you would be barred
Quote from: J70 on September 02, 2022, 01:36:20 PM
Quote from: Rudi on September 02, 2022, 08:35:56 AM
Another referee was assaulted at the weekend in a Junior B game in Donegal by a player this time. No surprises as to the club involved.
Which club?
I've been out of the Donegal club scene for a long time now.
PM sent
What's the official ruling on a manager/mentor setting foot on the pitch during a game?
Quote from: ONeill on September 02, 2022, 08:51:21 PM
What's the official ruling on a manager/mentor setting foot on the pitch during a game?
Happens every game
Quote from: ONeill on September 02, 2022, 08:51:21 PM
What's the official ruling on a manager/mentor setting foot on the pitch during a game?
Sent out to all Derry club secretaries this year re team officials
"if they enter the pitch then they are cautioned and sent off for second offence."
Also, if both teams are along the same line, only the manager is allowed to move up and down the line and isn't allowed past their 65m line.
Has this ever been enforced?
Quote from: ONeill on September 02, 2022, 10:05:45 PM
Has this ever been enforced?
I seen it at 1 game this year, but the manager in question was on at least his 9th warning, so strictly not I suppose.
Quote from: ONeill on September 02, 2022, 10:05:45 PM
Has this ever been enforced?
We wouldn't get through a game sadly
does the guy in question have some stranglehold on the community
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 03, 2022, 12:17:22 AM
Quote from: ONeill on September 02, 2022, 10:05:45 PM
Has this ever been enforced?
We wouldn't get through a game sadly
I've put dozens of coaches/managers off the pitch...
It's very simple, I'm not there to listen to that crap, if they want to start shouting at me they are gone. If you allow it, it will continue, if they refuse you have the 3 minute rule, if after 3 minutes he hasn't moved the game is abandoned
I get frustration I get the feeling of not getting the 50/50 calls but you cross the line it's done for me.
if you domt respect the ref you dont respect the sport and have no place in the sport
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 03, 2022, 08:24:55 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 03, 2022, 12:17:22 AM
Quote from: ONeill on September 02, 2022, 10:05:45 PM
Has this ever been enforced?
We wouldn't get through a game sadly
I've put dozens of coaches/managers off the pitch...
It's very simple, I'm not there to listen to that crap, if they want to start shouting at me they are gone. If you allow it, it will continue, if they refuse you have the 3 minute rule, if after 3 minutes he hasn't moved the game is abandoned
I get frustration I get the feeling of not getting the 50/50 calls but you cross the line it's done for me.
I agree, but managers Very rarely stay right side of the line , often just over excited and innocent but unfortunately sometimes it strays beyond that.
I remember a case from a few years ago where a particular head case in a club ran onto the field and struck a referee. County board gave him life ban and referee sued the gaa and got a pay out. However, for some reason the ref didnt report it to the gardai. The culprit was at matches the following week after his ban. The reason being he is a complete thug and anyone who might approach him and ask him to leave a match might find their house on fire the next day. So good people said and did nothing. So my point is with some of these people the local club cannot control them and it really needs the gardai/psni to step in and help.
There needs to be a clear policy that this type of thing is reported to the police authorities, it would help if judges would injunct offenders to stay away from all GAA events and if Croke park need to ensure that clubs have no discretion to allow people back into games etc.
Offences between players are harder to call, because they build up from pushing and shoving to striking. But a ref does not engage in any physical interaction with players and should be defended from attack as any person on the street would.
Quote from: armaghniac on September 03, 2022, 12:21:47 PM
There needs to be a clear policy that this type of thing is reported to the police authorities, it would help if judges would injunct offenders to stay away from all GAA events and if Croke park need to ensure that clubs have no discretion to allow people back into games etc.
Offences between players are harder to call, because they build up from pushing and shoving to striking. But a ref does not engage in any physical interaction with players and should be defended from attack as any person on the street would.
+1 great post. Only way to solve this.
Refs need to take a stand themselves; striking for one weekend in one county isn't enough.
We also need a culture change; any regular forumites will know how often the ref is blamed. A team could shoot forty wides, and still the ref will be picked on.
Refs are human and make mistakes, like anyone else. A particular problem is the tackle, so often it's a judgement call as to whether it is a foul or not.
There a famous one running round of a Derry league game yrs ago (I not mention teams or player) and 2 players run by a midfielder and his own player accidently hit his own nan a fair clip in the head going for the ball, lad turns round, see the ref only man behind him and thumps him. Got him 2 yrs.
Matter of fact, try Ref hit at ( your relevant county) gaa game on Google and see what comes up. In relation to my own county it ridiculous and that's the only ones which are actually reported.
so the gaa has problem with psychopaths infiltrating it
Quote from: Eire90 on September 03, 2022, 09:09:39 PM
so the gaa has problem with psychopaths infiltrating it
That has always been a problem.
Quote from: clarshack on September 03, 2022, 09:48:21 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on September 03, 2022, 09:09:39 PM
so the gaa has problem with psychopaths infiltrating it
That has always been a problem.
That's what makes it good
Quote from: befair on September 03, 2022, 04:56:17 PM
Refs need to take a stand themselves; striking for one weekend in one county isn't enough.
We also need a culture change; any regular forumites will know how often the ref is blamed. A team could shoot forty wides, and still the ref will be picked on.
Refs are human and make mistakes, like anyone else. A particular problem is the tackle, so often it's a judgement call as to whether it is a foul or not.
As I said on the Brolly thread, you see it here every summer with the supporters of certain Ulster counties. Win, lose or draw, the ref is invariably biased against them. Sickens my hole. Withholding their services on a widespread organized basis is definitely an option worth considering. Attitudes need to change and quickly.
It's crazy sometimes, recently did a juvenile game and the score line was something like 8 goals 24 points to 7 points ... I had to send off the coach because he was giving off..
Now when I spoke to him I said I don't shout at you during the game I don't tell you how to run your team of tell them how to play... I was going to leave it at that but he couldn't help himself and he ranted again!
But he insisted that I was at fault! You can't teach stupid
some ejits seem to think its always the refs fault that their team is losing these people really need an ego check.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 04, 2022, 01:35:15 PM
It's crazy sometimes, recently did a juvenile game and the score line was something like 8 goals 24 points to 7 points ... I had to send off the coach because he was giving off..
Now when I spoke to him I said I don't shout at you during the game I don't tell you how to run your team of tell them how to play... I was going to leave it at that but he couldn't help himself and he ranted again!
But he insisted that I was at fault! You can't teach stupid
you would assume it was the manager of the team getting well beat but with the amount of nut jobs in society these days you wouldn't even know for sure as some guys would still be going mental at the ref for them only winning by 20 and not 30 points.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 04, 2022, 01:35:15 PM
Now when I spoke to him I said I don't shout at you during the game I don't tell you how to run your team of tell them how to play...
Be deadly craic if you did.
A family member of mine would complain about something the referee did even if their team won convincingly. Just enjoy the victory ffs.
The people shouting abuse at the ref are probably seen good upstanding citizen community good guy types blind eye on them when it comes to this
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 05, 2022, 03:35:44 PM
A family member of mine would complain about something the referee did even if their team won convincingly. Just enjoy the victory ffs.
As would a family member of mine. Start effing and blinding him from the word go. Every single decision scrutinised to the last. Unless it went his way of course. ;D
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 06, 2022, 09:13:24 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 05, 2022, 03:35:44 PM
A family member of mine would complain about something the referee did even if their team won convincingly. Just enjoy the victory ffs.
As would a family member of mine. Start effing and blinding him from the word go. Every single decision scrutinised to the last. Unless it went his way of course. ;D
Does he complain about his own team giving away daft frees? I never hear that in fairness, always silence from the vocal ones
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 06, 2022, 09:30:32 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 06, 2022, 09:13:24 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 05, 2022, 03:35:44 PM
A family member of mine would complain about something the referee did even if their team won convincingly. Just enjoy the victory ffs.
As would a family member of mine. Start effing and blinding him from the word go. Every single decision scrutinised to the last. Unless it went his way of course. ;D
Does he complain about his own team giving away daft frees? I never hear that in fairness, always silence from the vocal ones
I always say to players refs are human too (I know, I know, that's questionable!) and they will make mistakes and won't change their minds if you argue with them. If you argue though there's a real chance you won't get that 50/50 call at a crucial time. It's frustrating sometimes because of inconsistency but it's what it is. To take it beyond shouting a few expletives though is crazy shit and that attitude needs to change. Has to happen the whole way from bottom up but I sometimes think the parochial nature of the GAA prohibits that unintentionally as every win at every level between bitter rivals can be seen as a huge thing.
Any physical assault on a ref/linesman etc needs dealt with very harshly. Period!! However, I have played/attended/coached for yrs and you could well say its into well over a thousand games. So lets put this into perspective. I have never seen a ref or linesman physically assaulted I am glad to report. verbal abuse yes and there needs to be a over arcing approach to this from HQ to deal with the aggressive verbals, otherwise anything else won't work.
Just realised the worst assault I saw was the ref who did Louth/Meath on RTE from Tyrone. Thats the worst I have seen.
BC1 talks about the biggest problem we have, the inconsistency between referee's, I attend as many games as I can when not refereeing, they all do it slightly different, and we know that and yet we still complain, I was that player or manager that always wanted the calls to go my way, who doesn't.
You are not going to get the same ref every week... but you can at the very least have a chat to the ref and ask some questions (before the game) and ask him what is he looking for or what does he generally pull up on, some might not say anything as it then can be used against them lol. But at least you've asked and he'll be aware that he should stick to that..
In football you can be a complete tit if you stuck to the rules hard and fast, crossing the sideline by a millimeter, player retreating from the D and the ball going nowhere near him but pulling it up as the player (not interfering with play) any tackle not on the ball is a free (bar shoulder to shoulder) overcarrying (the bain of many)
There are other parts in the game that can be pulled up for regularly but its a stop start game, easy for the ref but very poor viewing, it's not the duty of the referee to keep the game flowing but the advantage rule at least allows us to make it flow a lot better
As for coaches/players/supporters giving ref's verbal abuse, good luck with the 50/50 calls
It would help if players/coaches/supporters read the oul playing rules of football and hurling (although probably no point in the latter as the rules are usually ignored :P)
Quote from: shawshank on September 06, 2022, 10:00:08 AM
Any physical assault on a ref/linesman etc needs dealt with very harshly. Period!! However, I have played/attended/coached for yrs and you could well say its into well over a thousand games. So lets put this into perspective. I have never seen a ref or linesman physically assaulted I am glad to report. verbal abuse yes and there needs to be a over arcing approach to this from HQ to deal with the aggressive verbals, otherwise anything else won't work.
Just realised the worst assault I saw was the ref who did Louth/Meath on RTE from Tyrone. Thats the worst I have seen.
Was he assaulted? A few people went for him but I think he was got away from harms way before it happened. I too have never seen a ref assaulted in a match thankfully.
Quote from: Itchy on September 06, 2022, 11:21:34 AM
Quote from: shawshank on September 06, 2022, 10:00:08 AM
Any physical assault on a ref/linesman etc needs dealt with very harshly. Period!! However, I have played/attended/coached for yrs and you could well say its into well over a thousand games. So lets put this into perspective. I have never seen a ref or linesman physically assaulted I am glad to report. verbal abuse yes and there needs to be a over arcing approach to this from HQ to deal with the aggressive verbals, otherwise anything else won't work.
Just realised the worst assault I saw was the ref who did Louth/Meath on RTE from Tyrone. Thats the worst I have seen.
Was he assaulted? A few people went for him but I think he was got away from harms way before it happened. I too have never seen a ref assaulted in a match thankfully.
How many games have you been at that they are verbally abused? I don't think I've been at one game, player supporter or referee that has been verbal free.
Do we encourage it? I can't remember being coached to shout at the ref, only time being sent off was for giving the ref verbal's and took the medicine and never got sent off again, even as a manager I encouraged the players to accept and move on, some can't do it and won't do it..
If we just laugh off the club eejit then we are encouraging it, if we don't confront the village bully then we are encouraging it.
Father in law is involved with a very good local soccer set up, they have zero tolerance from the get go, the parents sign up to the policy they have and if they don't follow the rules of talking back to ref's or parents shouting at ref's or giving off to coaches they are asked to leave, the kid loses out, by the time the kids have reached senior level they will have kept to the standards to at least that point.
It can only work if you do it.
That soccer policy sounds a good one.
Our underage teams that I was in gave a while lot of abuse to refs and as a result we got not much in return from them but our club clamped down a lot on it and words were had with various people.
There is a ref on here had a very bad time but thankfully the physical assaults on refs haven't been too frequent htough one is too frequent. My da always tells a story about a ref in the 60s or 70s in antrim who was a boxer and a player hit him then the ref beat the crap out of him.
The only thing for this boy is the court of law.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 06, 2022, 11:40:16 AM
Quote from: Itchy on September 06, 2022, 11:21:34 AM
Quote from: shawshank on September 06, 2022, 10:00:08 AM
Any physical assault on a ref/linesman etc needs dealt with very harshly. Period!! However, I have played/attended/coached for yrs and you could well say its into well over a thousand games. So lets put this into perspective. I have never seen a ref or linesman physically assaulted I am glad to report. verbal abuse yes and there needs to be a over arcing approach to this from HQ to deal with the aggressive verbals, otherwise anything else won't work.
Just realised the worst assault I saw was the ref who did Louth/Meath on RTE from Tyrone. Thats the worst I have seen.
Was he assaulted? A few people went for him but I think he was got away from harms way before it happened. I too have never seen a ref assaulted in a match thankfully.
How many games have you been at that they are verbally abused? I don't think I've been at one game, player supporter or referee that has been verbal free.
Do we encourage it? I can't remember being coached to shout at the ref, only time being sent off was for giving the ref verbal's and took the medicine and never got sent off again, even as a manager I encouraged the players to accept and move on, some can't do it and won't do it..
If we just laugh off the club eejit then we are encouraging it, if we don't confront the village bully then we are encouraging it.
Father in law is involved with a very good local soccer set up, they have zero tolerance from the get go, the parents sign up to the policy they have and if they don't follow the rules of talking back to ref's or parents shouting at ref's or giving off to coaches they are asked to leave, the kid loses out, by the time the kids have reached senior level they will have kept to the standards to at least that point.
It can only work if you do it.
Not a joke, but define verbal abuse. Is shouting a ref without using foul language verbal abuse. Is questioning a decision verbal abuse. I have been at plenty of games were no foul language was used at the ref and plenty where it has. But maybe you and I have a different definition. There is a world of difference in "ah come on ref that was a foul" versus "You are a useless bollox", at least in my opinion.
Quote from: Itchy on September 06, 2022, 01:02:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 06, 2022, 11:40:16 AM
Quote from: Itchy on September 06, 2022, 11:21:34 AM
Quote from: shawshank on September 06, 2022, 10:00:08 AM
Any physical assault on a ref/linesman etc needs dealt with very harshly. Period!! However, I have played/attended/coached for yrs and you could well say its into well over a thousand games. So lets put this into perspective. I have never seen a ref or linesman physically assaulted I am glad to report. verbal abuse yes and there needs to be a over arcing approach to this from HQ to deal with the aggressive verbals, otherwise anything else won't work.
Just realised the worst assault I saw was the ref who did Louth/Meath on RTE from Tyrone. Thats the worst I have seen.
Was he assaulted? A few people went for him but I think he was got away from harms way before it happened. I too have never seen a ref assaulted in a match thankfully.
How many games have you been at that they are verbally abused? I don't think I've been at one game, player supporter or referee that has been verbal free.
Do we encourage it? I can't remember being coached to shout at the ref, only time being sent off was for giving the ref verbal's and took the medicine and never got sent off again, even as a manager I encouraged the players to accept and move on, some can't do it and won't do it..
If we just laugh off the club eejit then we are encouraging it, if we don't confront the village bully then we are encouraging it.
Father in law is involved with a very good local soccer set up, they have zero tolerance from the get go, the parents sign up to the policy they have and if they don't follow the rules of talking back to ref's or parents shouting at ref's or giving off to coaches they are asked to leave, the kid loses out, by the time the kids have reached senior level they will have kept to the standards to at least that point.
It can only work if you do it.
Not a joke, but define verbal abuse. Is shouting a ref without using foul language verbal abuse. Is questioning a decision verbal abuse. I have been at plenty of games were no foul language was used at the ref and plenty where it has. But maybe you and I have a different definition. There is a world of difference in "ah come on ref that was a foul" versus "You are a useless bollox", at least in my opinion.
I've no problems with ah ffs ref!! that's fine but you're a useless hoor and baldy wee cnut is verbal abuse ;D
Going out of your way to head towards the gate were the ref is walking out is again a very common feature..
By the same token their actions will not help the team so why bother? It only takes one before there are plenty giving it..
If you don't pull clubmen doing it then you are encouraging it, Championship certainly lifts the tensions on the sideline and in the stand but he's doing his best, he hasn't set out to have a crap game just like the team so while you may be a decent supporter allowing others to go at it without approaching them will only allow this to continue.
Problem is most supporters at games do not know or up to date with rules. I remember when I played underage fball I told my mother to stay in the house, ( she sneeked to an odd game) and I played 5 times better because of it. Parents are def problem shouting at underage games. Was a neutral at girls games at the weekend and the ref was very poor in general due to age and fitness. Underage managers seem to try live their life's through young lads and shout to much at lads when it isn't required. But until their a general acceptance of the ref is the law like Rugby (be he crap or not) then things wouldn't change. Maybe then younger and fitter refs will be attracted to doing it. And I love to see all the loudmouths outside the wire try it, they wouldn't have a clue.
More assaults at GAA games, video doing the rounds of lads scalping each other at a hurling club game in Limerick at the weekend.
Quote from: Rudi on September 14, 2022, 04:18:31 PM
More assaults at GAA games, video doing the rounds of lads scalping each other at a hurling club game in Limerick at the weekend.
Hardly any assault there ffs
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Quote from: Rudi on September 14, 2022, 04:18:31 PM
More assaults at GAA games, video doing the rounds of lads scalping each other at a hurling club game in Limerick at the weekend.
Hardly any assault there ffs
Is that the one the cheeky shit threw the hurl over the fence?
I'd have booked him lol
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Quote from: Rudi on September 14, 2022, 04:18:31 PM
More assaults at GAA games, video doing the rounds of lads scalping each other at a hurling club game in Limerick at the weekend.
Hardly any assault there ffs
Is that the one the cheeky shit threw the hurl over the fence?
I'd have booked him lol
Cheeky wee shit alright 🤣
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ccc propose 96 week ban, for alleged assault at underage game.
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ccc propose 96 week ban, for alleged assault at underage game.
Why not a lifetime ban and banned from attending any games?
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ccc propose 96 week ban, for alleged assault at underage game.
Why not a lifetime ban and banned from attending any games?
I think a lifetime ban is 2 years in the Official Guide, could stand corrected though from the more learned on here.
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ccc propose 96 week ban, for alleged assault at underage game.
Why not a lifetime ban and banned from attending any games?
96 weeks is the maximum.
Will be appealed and reduced further up the chain. If it is then its really a farce
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 15, 2022, 03:56:09 PM
Will be appealed and reduced further up the chain. If it is then its really a farce
How do you appeal that? Surely the club will stay out of it. Does anyone know how the club dealt with the incident originally?
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Will be appealed and reduced further up the chain. If it is then its really a farce
How do you appeal that? Surely the club will stay out of it. Does anyone know how the club dealt with the incident originally?
Clubs appeal everything!! We've a poster on here, same thing happened to him years ago, it was appealed, now in fairness to the guy he probably deserved it ;D
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Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on September 15, 2022, 04:07:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 15, 2022, 03:56:09 PM
Will be appealed and reduced further up the chain. If it is then its really a farce
How do you appeal that? Surely the club will stay out of it. Does anyone know how the club dealt with the incident originally?
Clubs appeal everything!! We've a poster on here, same thing happened to him years ago, it was appealed, now in fairness to the guy he probably deserved it ;D
Aye but you fellow Antrim refs wouldn't back him up.... ;)
And yes, he's a big gub, but he/she/they (incase Enoch has got out of the Joy) without sin cast the first stone. ;D
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 15, 2022, 03:56:09 PM
Will be appealed and reduced further up the chain. If it is then its really a farce
Surely the club/the fella himself would have the sense not to appeal.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 15, 2022, 03:56:09 PM
Will be appealed and reduced further up the chain. If it is then its really a farce
How do you appeal that? Surely the club will stay out of it. Does anyone know how the club dealt with the incident originally?
Clubs appeal everything!! We've a poster on here, same thing happened to him years ago, it was appealed, now in fairness to the guy he probably deserved it ;D
Aye but you fellow Antrim refs wouldn't back him up.... ;)
And yes, he's a big gub, but he/she/they (incase Enoch has got out of the Joy) without sin cast the first stone. ;D
Goes to Croker and they didn't, I've dodged at few bullets in fairness, I suppose it'll happen some day lol
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ccc propose 96 week ban, for alleged assault at underage game.
Why not a lifetime ban and banned from attending any games?
96 weeks is the maximum.
Ban from standing on the sideline as a manager?
the individual is suspended, nothing to do with the club, the individual can either accept the proposed suspension or appeal it. For an appeal to be successful he will need fresh evidence not presented at the investigation stage which proves he didn't commit the offence to get it reduced
probably appealed incase the psycho goes off on one seems like he has some sort of stranglehold on community
The ref done a disservice to all refs by not taking it to the Garda, a likely reoccurrence if the same to happen somewhere else within 2yrs. As for the Gaa rule book it's a sham, too worried about concerts and money instead of updating the rule book which managers, players, County board take advantage off, used to be there was only one Frank Murphy dodging around the rules, now everybody at it for self gain. Some much for Gaa values of promoting Gaelic games.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 16, 2022, 12:03:26 PM
The ref done a disservice to all refs by not taking it to the Garda, a likely reoccurrence if the same to happen somewhere else within 2yrs. As for the Gaa rule book it's a sham, too worried about concerts and money instead of updating the rule book which managers, players, County board take advantage off, used to be there was only one Frank Murphy dodging around the rules, now everybody at it for self gain. Some much for Gaa values of promoting Gaelic games.
The whole GAA community attitude to violence and discipline and punishment is demoralizing and would almost tempt you to say "f**k it" and go do something else. I don't see, amidst all the discussion every year about losing ground to other sports, why people don't see this.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 15, 2022, 03:56:09 PM
Will be appealed and reduced further up the chain. If it is then its really a farce
How do you appeal that? Surely the club will stay out of it. Does anyone know how the club dealt with the incident originally?
Clubs appeal everything!! We've a poster on here, same thing happened to him years ago, it was appealed, now in fairness to the guy he probably deserved it ;D
Aye but you fellow Antrim refs wouldn't back him up.... ;)
And yes, he's a big gub, but he/she/they (incase Enoch has got out of the Joy) without sin cast the first stone. ;D
Hey!!!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 16, 2022, 12:03:26 PM
The ref done a disservice to all refs by not taking it to the Garda, a likely reoccurrence if the same to happen somewhere else within 2yrs. As for the Gaa rule book it's a sham, too worried about concerts and money instead of updating the rule book which managers, players, County board take advantage off, used to be there was only one Frank Murphy dodging around the rules, now everybody at it for self gain. Some much for Gaa values of promoting Gaelic games.
How do you know he hasn't went to the Guards? And if he hasn't then that's his own personal prerogative, not everyone wants that hassle.
Surely first and foremost its the GAA authorities who are doing the disservice to the refs by not hanging this guy out to dry. He shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a pitch again, either inside or outside the wire. Plus he shouldn't have the benefit of any appeals process at all, anyone laying a hand on a ref, or verbally abusing one, shouldn't have the benefit of the appeals process, take what you're given.
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Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on September 15, 2022, 04:07:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 15, 2022, 03:56:09 PM
Will be appealed and reduced further up the chain. If it is then its really a farce
How do you appeal that? Surely the club will stay out of it. Does anyone know how the club dealt with the incident originally?
Clubs appeal everything!! We've a poster on here, same thing happened to him years ago, it was appealed, now in fairness to the guy he probably deserved it ;D
Aye but you fellow Antrim refs wouldn't back him up.... ;)
And yes, he's a big gub, but he/she/they (incase Enoch has got out of the Joy) without sin cast the first stone. ;D
Hey!!!
Sure I told you I'd make you a half time cuppa next time you're at our place.
Gardaí have confirmed that they are investigating an alleged assault on a referee, which happened after Sunday morning's junior football championship group A fixture at Whiterock Hill, home of St Joseph's in a match between them and Our Lady's Island.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2022/09/25/wexford-gardai-investigating-alleged-assault-of-referee-at-junior-football-match/
https://www.midwestradio.ie/index.php/sport/61147-referee-abandons-mayo-u17-semi-final
Hope whoever it is is banned from attending games for life.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40969088.html
Quote from: fearbrags on September 26, 2022, 03:44:20 AM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40969088.html
But yet we still give the ref's online abuse and nothing done, with all the hype of this going on I'm still witnessing abuse at grounds.
Need to change (remove) the appeal process. Anyone who lays a hand on a ref, or verbally abuses a ref, should not be able to appeal the sanctions handed down, they should not have the mechanism to reduce their punishment. They should be made to stand outside the ground for each and every day of their suspension.
Quote from: Tyrdub on September 29, 2022, 08:35:43 AM
Need to change (remove) the appeal process. Anyone who lays a hand on a ref, or verbally abuses a ref, should not be able to appeal the sanctions handed down, they should not have the mechanism to reduce their punishment. They should be made to stand outside the ground for each and every day of their suspension.
Was chatting to an official the other day and he said the appeal process at county and provincial level is gone and it goes straight to Croke to be dealt with
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 29, 2022, 08:39:23 AM
Quote from: Tyrdub on September 29, 2022, 08:35:43 AM
Need to change (remove) the appeal process. Anyone who lays a hand on a ref, or verbally abuses a ref, should not be able to appeal the sanctions handed down, they should not have the mechanism to reduce their punishment. They should be made to stand outside the ground for each and every day of their suspension.
Was chatting to an official the other day and he said the appeal process at county and provincial level is gone and it goes straight to Croke to be dealt with
Seriously? Wasn't aware of that change. Is that for club players/ matches or inter-county?
But sure CP can reduce their sentence just as easily then
Quote from: Tyrdub on September 29, 2022, 08:51:59 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 29, 2022, 08:39:23 AM
Quote from: Tyrdub on September 29, 2022, 08:35:43 AM
Need to change (remove) the appeal process. Anyone who lays a hand on a ref, or verbally abuses a ref, should not be able to appeal the sanctions handed down, they should not have the mechanism to reduce their punishment. They should be made to stand outside the ground for each and every day of their suspension.
Was chatting to an official the other day and he said the appeal process at county and provincial level is gone and it goes straight to Croke to be dealt with
Seriously? Wasn't aware of that change. Is that for club players/ matches or inter-county?
But sure CP can reduce their sentence just as easily then
Yes they can but its not going to be influenced, it will be objective in that they have no skin in the game and with the current media hype with it I can see too many things being reduced
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40971329.html
In Kerry, where disciplinary problems have led to the abandonment of U11 hurling and U15 football games in recent weeks, the county's referees committee has plans to meet with all clubs in the county to improve tolerance towards referees
If you can't control yourself at an U11 hurling match what is wrong with you? Individual suspensions aren't going to change this unfortunately.
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on September 29, 2022, 11:05:02 AM
In Kerry, where disciplinary problems have led to the abandonment of U11 hurling and U15 football games in recent weeks, the county's referees committee has plans to meet with all clubs in the county to improve tolerance towards referees
If you can't control yourself at an U11 hurling match what is wrong with you? Individual suspensions aren't going to change this unfortunately.
Madness. I know we can all get carried away at matches if you're watching or coaching, especially if a family member is playing, but at the end of the day at underage the number one aim is for players to develop their skills in an enjoyable way in the hope that as many as possible at a high of standard as possible eventually come through to your senior team. What is enjoyable about that shit for children.
Maybe im reading wrong but it doesnt actually specify if it was adults or the children that were the problem...
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on September 29, 2022, 11:59:35 AM
Maybe im reading wrong but it doesnt actually specify if it was adults or the children that were the problem...
The vast majority of abuse is from the line or behind the wire, players will react and some can be gobshites but at least you can card them
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on September 29, 2022, 11:59:35 AM
Maybe im reading wrong but it doesnt actually specify if it was adults or the children that were the problem...
Maybe at 15 you can blame players but at 11s it's more likely coaches and parents that are at fault. And if the players are that bad at that age you blame the parents anyway.
Their is a problem with irish culture gaa culture or both that sees this as some sort of banter.
They (supporters/coaches) need to be named and embarrassed on social media, would fairly tighten things up.
Ban them is a start but you can only ban them if they are part of a club, if they don't pay their dues to a club ya can't ban them! I know of one clampit that isn't a member of the association so couldn't be given a suspension.
We've all got them in the club, passion is great but needs to be controlled or not funnelled towards the officials but used to encourage your team. I've yet to hear a supporter squeal for a foul against his own team ;D
No problems with "ah ffs ref, are ya serious?" Or players showing frustration at calls but don't over step it..
if a ref gets assaulted should it not be an automatic win to the other team the only way to stop these people is if there actions have an effect on everyone so the clubs may tell these people f off.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on September 29, 2022, 11:59:35 AM
Maybe im reading wrong but it doesnt actually specify if it was adults or the children that were the problem...
Unless a 10 year old whacked the ref with a hurl, you know the answer to that.
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Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on September 29, 2022, 11:59:35 AM
Maybe im reading wrong but it doesnt actually specify if it was adults or the children that were the problem...
Unless a 10 year old whacked the ref with a hurl, you know the answer to that.
Was just thinking of a brawl that got outa hand but hey you do you
https://www.con-telegraph.ie/2022/10/13/westport-win-gaa-appeal-over-under-17-teams-removal-from-mayo-championship/
Disgraceful decision by the Mayo county board
Quote from: whitey on October 15, 2022, 03:28:29 PM
https://www.con-telegraph.ie/2022/10/13/westport-win-gaa-appeal-over-under-17-teams-removal-from-mayo-championship/
Disgraceful decision by the Mayo county board
What's disgraceful? That they have been reinstated or that they were banned in the first place?
The appeals process has to be followed and leads to provincial then Croke, so it may not be the Mayo county board who have reinstated them
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 16, 2022, 08:31:43 AM
Quote from: whitey on October 15, 2022, 03:28:29 PM
https://www.con-telegraph.ie/2022/10/13/westport-win-gaa-appeal-over-under-17-teams-removal-from-mayo-championship/
Disgraceful decision by the Mayo county board
What's disgraceful? That they have been reinstated or that they were banned in the first place?
The appeals process has to be followed and leads to provincial then Croke, so it may not be the Mayo county board who have reinstated them
It's disgraceful that Westport appealed it in the first place
It's disgraceful that the County board overturned a 96 week suspension
It's disgraceful that Westport were allowed back into the competition
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Quote from: whitey on October 15, 2022, 03:28:29 PM
https://www.con-telegraph.ie/2022/10/13/westport-win-gaa-appeal-over-under-17-teams-removal-from-mayo-championship/
Disgraceful decision by the Mayo county board
What's disgraceful? That they have been reinstated or that they were banned in the first place?
The appeals process has to be followed and leads to provincial then Croke, so it may not be the Mayo county board who have reinstated them
punish the individual, but anyone looking to throw a bunch of children out of a championship they've been probably dreaming of their whole lives can f**k right off
Not at all, we lose a underage game many yrs ago cause some names on the team sheet werent in Irish, its the clubs responsibility for its underage team, its not saying what happened in this game but if he assaulted by a team mentor as in Roscommon the team gonna go with him.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2022/1016/1329597-munster-gaa-investigating-alleged-assault-of-u9-player/
looks the gaa have a serious problem with psychopaths in its organization
Quote from: Eire90 on October 17, 2022, 03:45:33 AM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2022/1016/1329597-munster-gaa-investigating-alleged-assault-of-u9-player/
looks the gaa have a serious problem with psychopaths in its organization
Jesus. Hopefully nothing to it. That is crazy
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2022/1013/1329036-mccarthy-aims-for-culture-change-in-the-gaa/
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 17, 2022, 07:53:05 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on October 17, 2022, 03:45:33 AM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2022/1016/1329597-munster-gaa-investigating-alleged-assault-of-u9-player/
looks the gaa have a serious problem with psychopaths in its organization
Jesus. Hopefully nothing to it. That is crazy
I just read this elsewhere. Says the Garda were contacted with an allegation of an adult grabbing a 9-year-old by the throat. Obviously, that doesn't mean it happened like that but it sounds terrible. Imagine if that was your lad.
I know things happen in other sports too, saw young lads act the arse last weekend in the soccer, but the GAA needs a serious change in how it operates very quickly.
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on October 17, 2022, 01:51:22 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 17, 2022, 07:53:05 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on October 17, 2022, 03:45:33 AM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2022/1016/1329597-munster-gaa-investigating-alleged-assault-of-u9-player/
looks the gaa have a serious problem with psychopaths in its organization
Jesus. Hopefully nothing to it. That is crazy
I just read this elsewhere. Says the Garda were contacted with an allegation of an adult grabbing a 9-year-old by the throat. Obviously, that doesn't mean it happened like that but it sounds terrible. Imagine if that was your lad.
I know things happen in other sports too, saw young lads act the arse last weekend in the soccer, but the GAA needs a serious change in how it operates very quickly.
In Thurles?
Quote from: johnnycool on October 17, 2022, 03:52:38 PM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on October 17, 2022, 01:51:22 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 17, 2022, 07:53:05 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on October 17, 2022, 03:45:33 AM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2022/1016/1329597-munster-gaa-investigating-alleged-assault-of-u9-player/
looks the gaa have a serious problem with psychopaths in its organization
Jesus. Hopefully nothing to it. That is crazy
I just read this elsewhere. Says the Garda were contacted with an allegation of an adult grabbing a 9-year-old by the throat. Obviously, that doesn't mean it happened like that but it sounds terrible. Imagine if that was your lad.
I know things happen in other sports too, saw young lads act the arse last weekend in the soccer, but the GAA needs a serious change in how it operates very quickly.
In Thurles?
Yeah, that's the one I read
This is always the alleged side of things and I know Admin will need to keep an eye on this.
But if this alleged assault is as per reports, then this individual should see the inside of a cell for a bit. And any GAA members who are anything less than helpful in the case should face action too.
Interesting this is making national news. Is that a sign how dominant GAA is these days.
Much of this stuff happens even worse in soccer particularly referee abuse from players.
Quote from: full moon on October 17, 2022, 07:06:31 PM
Interesting this is making national news. Is that a sign how dominant GAA is these days.
Much of this stuff happens even worse in soccer particularly referee abuse from players.
I don't think theres too many incidents of an adult putting their hands on a child at an under 9 game in GAA, soccer or any sport. Naturally something like that will make national news
Hopefully reports aren't accurate.
reports of people being choked at carlow final a few weeks ago.
The reality is that the GAA is essentially legalized faction fighting
There are rivalries and disagreements between clubs going back generations
Most people don't even remember what started a lot of these feuds
Quote from: whitey on October 18, 2022, 01:11:21 PM
The reality is that the GAA is essentially legalized faction fighting
There are rivalries and disagreements between clubs going back generations
Most people don't even remember what started a lot of these feuds
isn't it great
I saw some like Parkinson were not too impressed with David Brady's dive. I thought he got a fair old clip from Conor Gillespie.
Quote from: whitey on October 18, 2022, 01:11:21 PM
The reality is that the GAA is essentially legalized faction fighting
There are rivalries and disagreements between clubs going back generations
Most people don't even remember what started a lot of these feuds
fueds based on fake boundaries
Quote from: whitey on October 18, 2022, 01:11:21 PM
The reality is that the GAA is essentially legalized faction fighting
There are rivalries and disagreements between clubs going back generations
Most people don't even remember what started a lot of these feuds
Do you really believe that? Seriously?
The problem is, even though previous Incidents have been highlighted, they still occur, which brings me to the opinion that a majority of Irish people are f**king stupid. When the Gaa president can't give a straight answer, or direction, u on a hiding to nothing.
Quote from: Itchy on October 18, 2022, 01:53:37 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 18, 2022, 01:11:21 PM
The reality is that the GAA is essentially legalized faction fighting
There are rivalries and disagreements between clubs going back generations
Most people don't even remember what started a lot of these feuds
Do you really believe that? Seriously?
Yes
I believe that to be true (to an extent)
What kind of rage would trigger a grown man to assault a 9 year old kid? It's completely irrational.
Quote from: whitey on October 18, 2022, 08:54:26 PM
Quote from: Itchy on October 18, 2022, 01:53:37 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 18, 2022, 01:11:21 PM
The reality is that the GAA is essentially legalized faction fighting
There are rivalries and disagreements between clubs going back generations
Most people don't even remember what started a lot of these feuds
Do you really believe that? Seriously?
Yes
I believe that to be true (to an extent)
What kind of rage would trigger a grown man to assault a 9 year old kid? It's completely irrational.
Only speculating and it's all only alleged. The only reason I can think of is if the kid hit his child. Not that that would excuse an assault on a 9 year old.
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 19, 2022, 09:27:12 AM
Quote from: whitey on October 18, 2022, 08:54:26 PM
Quote from: Itchy on October 18, 2022, 01:53:37 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 18, 2022, 01:11:21 PM
The reality is that the GAA is essentially legalized faction fighting
There are rivalries and disagreements between clubs going back generations
Most people don't even remember what started a lot of these feuds
Do you really believe that? Seriously?
Yes
I believe that to be true (to an extent)
What kind of rage would trigger a grown man to assault a 9 year old kid? It's completely irrational.
Only speculating and it's all only alleged. The only reason I can think of is if the kid hit his child. Not that that would excuse an assault on a 9 year old.
As you say it's all alleged but what i've heard ALLEGEDLY is that a kid was cutting up rough with the hurl and the parent of the kid on the receiving end of it wrongly came out onto the field to remonstrate with him. After that, as we know, it's pure speculation.
Quote from: Ballybrittas Boy on October 19, 2022, 09:38:24 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 19, 2022, 09:27:12 AM
Quote from: whitey on October 18, 2022, 08:54:26 PM
Quote from: Itchy on October 18, 2022, 01:53:37 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 18, 2022, 01:11:21 PM
The reality is that the GAA is essentially legalized faction fighting
There are rivalries and disagreements between clubs going back generations
Most people don't even remember what started a lot of these feuds
Do you really believe that? Seriously?
Yes
I believe that to be true (to an extent)
What kind of rage would trigger a grown man to assault a 9 year old kid? It's completely irrational.
Only speculating and it's all only alleged. The only reason I can think of is if the kid hit his child. Not that that would excuse an assault on a 9 year old.
As you say it's all alleged but what i've heard ALLEGEDLY is that a kid was cutting up rough with the hurl and the parent of the kid on the receiving end of it wrongly came out onto the field to remonstrate with him. After that, as we know, it's pure speculation.
Some kids are hard to handle. Very hard to handle. I had a child square up to me at one game. I also watched a kid bate the head of another child and the parent praised him for doing it. So you can be dealing with that sort of stuff. There can be a lot of factors at play. Obviously there's no excuse for laying hands on a child and you have to be triple careful of how you react to situations.
Quote from: Ballybrittas Boy on October 19, 2022, 09:38:24 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 19, 2022, 09:27:12 AM
Quote from: whitey on October 18, 2022, 08:54:26 PM
Quote from: Itchy on October 18, 2022, 01:53:37 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 18, 2022, 01:11:21 PM
The reality is that the GAA is essentially legalized faction fighting
There are rivalries and disagreements between clubs going back generations
Most people don't even remember what started a lot of these feuds
Do you really believe that? Seriously?
Yes
I believe that to be true (to an extent)
What kind of rage would trigger a grown man to assault a 9 year old kid? It's completely irrational.
Only speculating and it's all only alleged. The only reason I can think of is if the kid hit his child. Not that that would excuse an assault on a 9 year old.
As you say it's all alleged but what i've heard ALLEGEDLY is that a kid was cutting up rough with the hurl and the parent of the kid on the receiving end of it wrongly came out onto the field to remonstrate with him. After that, as we know, it's pure speculation.
The club in particular have had an ongoing issues with discipline for the past 30 odd years
I wasn't one bit surprised when I heard what club the alleged perpetrator was from
Chat anyone from Tipp and they will reel off a list of indiscretions relating to them
A friend of mine is from a club in their division and there's been 4 serious breaches of discipline at juvenile alone this year
One involving the new Tipperary manager,allegedly
I was at an U14 county final about 40 years ago.
It was a rough and tumble rural club against a light and skillful town team
The rural club decided that instead of just playing football they would engage in some type of hybrid game involving MMA. Anyway at the heel of the hunt the townie team prevailed, but not before one of their best players sustained an injury that essentially ended his career.
To this day there's bad blood between both clubs.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2022/1020/1330294-castlebar-mitchels-report-alleged-child-abuse-to-tusla/
Big decision by Castlebar Mitchels, makes a mockery of the appeals process & rightly so. A 96 week suspension reduced to a 2 game suspension.
Quote from: Rudi on October 20, 2022, 11:24:33 AM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2022/1020/1330294-castlebar-mitchels-report-alleged-child-abuse-to-tusla/
Big decision by Castlebar Mitchels, makes a mockery of the appeals process & rightly so. A 96 week suspension reduced to a 2 game suspension.
It's surely difficult to come to your conclusion unless you saw the incident and in context.
For the competition committee to hand out a 2 year ban to an individual, they must have had a clear picture that what happened wasn't just an ordinary GAA incident, and needed a disrepute charge.
For the competition committee to eject Westport from the competition they must have had a clear understanding that the adult in question has a direct relationship with the Westport u17 team; he would have to be part of the management team, and not there in the capacity of a spectator. Otherwise it would be criminally unfair to eject a team (let alone a juvenile team).
For the hearings committee to remove the disrepute charge and turn it into a match-based suspension, they must also have had an understanding that the individual has a direct role in the Westport u17 team. Otherwise the suspension is pointless.
At which point, they also must have deemed that the incident was within the "normal boundaries" described in the GAA rule book, and not worthy of a disrepute charge. Or else that the proof of incident previously used by the competition committee, was unreliable, tampered with, or incomplete (in which case, competition committee would need a boot in the hole).
So there could be more to this than meets they eye. But most likely there's a video that refutes the referee's report.
But you know they also might do things different out west!
Quote from: Rudi on October 20, 2022, 11:24:33 AM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2022/1020/1330294-castlebar-mitchels-report-alleged-child-abuse-to-tusla/
Big decision by Castlebar Mitchels, makes a mockery of the appeals process & rightly so. A 96 week suspension reduced to a 2 game suspension.
Good to see.
Everyone knows the GAA disciplinary system is a joke especially as regards appeals.
Thinking about I'd imagine every club who have an incident like this with an under 18 year have a legal obligation to report it to Tusla.
You'd wonder why other clubs (in the 26) have not being doing this all along.
I presume child protection laws in the six are very similar about reporting U18 stuff ?
Quote from: Rudi on October 20, 2022, 11:24:33 AM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2022/1020/1330294-castlebar-mitchels-report-alleged-child-abuse-to-tusla/
Big decision by Castlebar Mitchels, makes a mockery of the appeals process & rightly so. A 96 week suspension reduced to a 2 game suspension.
The article is badly written. There is an individual suspension and a team suspension. I read it as the team suspension being reduced. This may or may not be a good thing, removing other Westport child players from competition is not necessarily the optimum course of action as those players had no control over the offending adult.
But reporting it is the right thing to do, ideally Tusla would get a court order banning the individual from having anything to do with children's sports.
My reading is that it was the individuals suspension that was reduced to 2 games.
Castlebar Mitchels prepared a 'Reported Allegation of Abuse Form' and this has been submitted to the Mayo County Board, Connacht GAA, Croke Park and TUSLA," read the statement, going on to detail how Westport were fined €1,000 and removed from the competition, while the indivdual was banned for 96 weeks.
"Westport appealed this decision to the Appeals Hearing Mayo GAA and following on from the appeal it was announced that they have been reinstated to the competition and the 96-week ban has been reduced to two games.
Quote from: LeoMc on October 20, 2022, 02:46:27 PM
My reading is that it was the individuals suspension that was reduced to 2 games.
Castlebar Mitchels prepared a 'Reported Allegation of Abuse Form' and this has been submitted to the Mayo County Board, Connacht GAA, Croke Park and TUSLA," read the statement, going on to detail how Westport were fined €1,000 and removed from the competition, while the indivdual was banned for 96 weeks.
"Westport appealed this decision to the Appeals Hearing Mayo GAA and following on from the appeal it was announced that they have been reinstated to the competition and the 96-week ban has been reduced to two games.
If a 96 weeks ban was reduced to 2 games than something is well out of order.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 20, 2022, 02:52:36 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on October 20, 2022, 02:46:27 PM
My reading is that it was the individuals suspension that was reduced to 2 games.
Castlebar Mitchels prepared a 'Reported Allegation of Abuse Form' and this has been submitted to the Mayo County Board, Connacht GAA, Croke Park and TUSLA," read the statement, going on to detail how Westport were fined €1,000 and removed from the competition, while the indivdual was banned for 96 weeks.
"Westport appealed this decision to the Appeals Hearing Mayo GAA and following on from the appeal it was announced that they have been reinstated to the competition and the 96-week ban has been reduced to two games.
If a 96 weeks ban was reduced to 2 games than something is well out of order.
There is even video footage of the incident. The Mayo County Board actually fined Castlebar €250 for recording the game without getting pre-approval. (which they have already paid)
Maybe the lads patents should got the garda involved, not that Larry Mccarthy could give you a straight answer on what to do.
From 10 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4weUJYvONGQ
Your club should have a code of conduct that it sticks to without backing down..
The parents and the kids sign it at registration and should they not stick to it then given their registration fee back and let go
Parents should not be allowed inside the pitch unless they have completed the various coaching courses available and the standard police check
It's simple to, if the ref feels there is target abuse he simply stops play and asks for the name of the person who's firing the abuse, if club refuse to give it then the club is fined
If you don't get tough on this it will only get worse, its nearly like any official be it the guy at the club doing the parking or a county delegate at the game and of course the ref and his officiating team are treated as being subhuman
How can a rational person turn up at a game and become a complete gobshite?
A feckin schools game!
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40992605.html
Quote from: Rossfan on October 27, 2022, 10:05:04 AM
A feckin schools game!
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40992605.html
Why has this made the news?
Quote from: toby47 on November 09, 2022, 04:13:13 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 27, 2022, 10:05:04 AM
A feckin schools game!
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40992605.html
Why has this made the news?
Why wouldn't it?
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41005442.html
Waiting for the referee's report?
disgraceful scenes the gaa has a massive problem and a pandemic of small men in a small village syndrome.
wouldn't be surprised if those in the crowd were coked out of their mind
Quote from: Eire90 on November 13, 2022, 01:29:54 AM
disgraceful scenes the gaa has a massive problem and a pandemic of small men in a small village syndrome.
viewing the footage one woman (probably a mother of one of the players) wasn't holding back.
And it continues....
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41005442.html
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 09:21:04 AM
And it continues....
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41005442.html
From that the on field looked to be more handbags than anything (hard to tell from the terrible camera) the supporter stuff bang out of order, but can't really hold the clubs responsible. It's a big game and as in all sports big games attract idiots. It's a neutral venue so can't really see either club being taken to task for it.
People need to grow up, I can't imagine getting that wound up at a game as a spectator that I'd scale a load a rows of seats to throw digs. Morons
Quote from: themac_23 on November 13, 2022, 09:26:38 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 09:21:04 AM
And it continues....
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41005442.html
From that the on field looked to be more handbags than anything (hard to tell from the terrible camera) the supporter stuff bang out of order, but can't really hold the clubs responsible. It's a big game and as in all sports big games attract idiots. It's a neutral venue so can't really see either club being taken to task for it.
People need to grow up, I can't imagine getting that wound up at a game as a spectator that I'd scale a load a rows of seats to throw digs. Morons
Would you not get wound up if you saw a family member get a dig? I know I would
people fighting over people running around a field who probably dont give a f about them.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 13, 2022, 09:41:25 AM
Quote from: themac_23 on November 13, 2022, 09:26:38 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 09:21:04 AM
And it continues....
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41005442.html
From that the on field looked to be more handbags than anything (hard to tell from the terrible camera) the supporter stuff bang out of order, but can't really hold the clubs responsible. It's a big game and as in all sports big games attract idiots. It's a neutral venue so can't really see either club being taken to task for it.
People need to grow up, I can't imagine getting that wound up at a game as a spectator that I'd scale a load a rows of seats to throw digs. Morons
Would you not get wound up if you saw a family member get a dig? I know I would
If my family member wants to get involved in a scrap that's his problem, that shit is going to kill someone and it attracts the wrong coverage.. nearly time to separate crowds at these games and have the absolute bare minimum on the sideline
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 13, 2022, 10:39:17 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 13, 2022, 09:41:25 AM
Quote from: themac_23 on November 13, 2022, 09:26:38 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 09:21:04 AM
And it continues....
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41005442.html
From that the on field looked to be more handbags than anything (hard to tell from the terrible camera) the supporter stuff bang out of order, but can't really hold the clubs responsible. It's a big game and as in all sports big games attract idiots. It's a neutral venue so can't really see either club being taken to task for it.
People need to grow up, I can't imagine getting that wound up at a game as a spectator that I'd scale a load a rows of seats to throw digs. Morons
Would you not get wound up if you saw a family member get a dig? I know I would
If my family member wants to get involved in a scrap that's his problem, that shit is going to kill someone and it attracts the wrong coverage.. nearly time to separate crowds at these games and have the absolute bare minimum on the sideline
That's it like. People love to criticise soccer as being a hooligans sport but gaa fans are as worse these days.
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 13, 2022, 11:06:22 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 13, 2022, 10:39:17 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 13, 2022, 09:41:25 AM
Quote from: themac_23 on November 13, 2022, 09:26:38 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 09:21:04 AM
And it continues....
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41005442.html
From that the on field looked to be more handbags than anything (hard to tell from the terrible camera) the supporter stuff bang out of order, but can't really hold the clubs responsible. It's a big game and as in all sports big games attract idiots. It's a neutral venue so can't really see either club being taken to task for it.
People need to grow up, I can't imagine getting that wound up at a game as a spectator that I'd scale a load a rows of seats to throw digs. Morons
Would you not get wound up if you saw a family member get a dig? I know I would
If my family member wants to get involved in a scrap that's his problem, that shit is going to kill someone and it attracts the wrong coverage.. nearly time to separate crowds at these games and have the absolute bare minimum on the sideline
That's it like. People love to criticise soccer as being a hooligans sport but gaa fans are as worse these days.
small village syndrome
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 13, 2022, 09:41:25 AM
Quote from: themac_23 on November 13, 2022, 09:26:38 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 09:21:04 AM
And it continues....
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41005442.html
From that the on field looked to be more handbags than anything (hard to tell from the terrible camera) the supporter stuff bang out of order, but can't really hold the clubs responsible. It's a big game and as in all sports big games attract idiots. It's a neutral venue so can't really see either club being taken to task for it.
People need to grow up, I can't imagine getting that wound up at a game as a spectator that I'd scale a load a rows of seats to throw digs. Morons
Would you not get wound up if you saw a family member get a dig? I know I would
If you are going to climb over rows of seats or run 20 yards to get involved you should not be near the game.
Quote from: LeoMc on November 13, 2022, 12:18:14 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 13, 2022, 09:41:25 AM
Quote from: themac_23 on November 13, 2022, 09:26:38 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 09:21:04 AM
And it continues....
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41005442.html
From that the on field looked to be more handbags than anything (hard to tell from the terrible camera) the supporter stuff bang out of order, but can't really hold the clubs responsible. It's a big game and as in all sports big games attract idiots. It's a neutral venue so can't really see either club being taken to task for it.
People need to grow up, I can't imagine getting that wound up at a game as a spectator that I'd scale a load a rows of seats to throw digs. Morons
Would you not get wound up if you saw a family member get a dig? I know I would
If you are going to climb over rows of seats or run 20 yards to get involved you should not be near the game.
Again, if someone puts their hands on a member of your family you would take the head of them. Say different and you're either a liar or a coward.
Take the head of them, try that outside a fball field and there a good chance you end up in jail. Maybe not a liar or a coward, just not stupid.
Quote from: themac_23 on November 13, 2022, 09:26:38 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 09:21:04 AM
And it continues....
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41005442.html
From that the on field looked to be more handbags than anything (hard to tell from the terrible camera) the supporter stuff bang out of order, but can't really hold the clubs responsible. It's a big game and as in all sports big games attract idiots. It's a neutral venue so can't really see either club being taken to task for it.
People need to grow up, I can't imagine getting that wound up at a game as a spectator that I'd scale a load a rows of seats to throw digs. Morons
Soccer clubs are held to account for their fans behaviour at neutral venues
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 13, 2022, 12:53:31 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on November 13, 2022, 12:18:14 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 13, 2022, 09:41:25 AM
Quote from: themac_23 on November 13, 2022, 09:26:38 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 09:21:04 AM
And it continues....
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41005442.html
From that the on field looked to be more handbags than anything (hard to tell from the terrible camera) the supporter stuff bang out of order, but can't really hold the clubs responsible. It's a big game and as in all sports big games attract idiots. It's a neutral venue so can't really see either club being taken to task for it.
People need to grow up, I can't imagine getting that wound up at a game as a spectator that I'd scale a load a rows of seats to throw digs. Morons
Would you not get wound up if you saw a family member get a dig? I know I would
If you are going to climb over rows of seats or run 20 yards to get involved you should not be near the game.
Again, if someone puts their hands on a member of your family you would take the head of them. Say different and you're either a liar or a coward.
Aye when you're doing 3 years in Maghaberry for manslaughter you can think about how brave you feel.
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 13, 2022, 03:58:36 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 13, 2022, 12:53:31 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on November 13, 2022, 12:18:14 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 13, 2022, 09:41:25 AM
Quote from: themac_23 on November 13, 2022, 09:26:38 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 09:21:04 AM
And it continues....
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41005442.html
From that the on field looked to be more handbags than anything (hard to tell from the terrible camera) the supporter stuff bang out of order, but can't really hold the clubs responsible. It's a big game and as in all sports big games attract idiots. It's a neutral venue so can't really see either club being taken to task for it.
People need to grow up, I can't imagine getting that wound up at a game as a spectator that I'd scale a load a rows of seats to throw digs. Morons
Would you not get wound up if you saw a family member get a dig? I know I would
If you are going to climb over rows of seats or run 20 yards to get involved you should not be near the game.
Again, if someone puts their hands on a member of your family you would take the head of them. Say different and you're either a liar or a coward.
Aye when you're doing 3 years in Maghaberry for manslaughter you can think about how brave you feel.
This guy is a full on muppet and reincarnation of a previous poster, I'd say there's bigger balls on a chipmunk
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 13, 2022, 04:26:25 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 13, 2022, 03:58:36 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 13, 2022, 12:53:31 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on November 13, 2022, 12:18:14 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 13, 2022, 09:41:25 AM
Quote from: themac_23 on November 13, 2022, 09:26:38 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 09:21:04 AM
And it continues....
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41005442.html
From that the on field looked to be more handbags than anything (hard to tell from the terrible camera) the supporter stuff bang out of order, but can't really hold the clubs responsible. It's a big game and as in all sports big games attract idiots. It's a neutral venue so can't really see either club being taken to task for it.
People need to grow up, I can't imagine getting that wound up at a game as a spectator that I'd scale a load a rows of seats to throw digs. Morons
Would you not get wound up if you saw a family member get a dig? I know I would
If you are going to climb over rows of seats or run 20 yards to get involved you should not be near the game.
Again, if someone puts their hands on a member of your family you would take the head of them. Say different and you're either a liar or a coward.
Aye when you're doing 3 years in Maghaberry for manslaughter you can think about how brave you feel.
This guy is a full on muppet and reincarnation of a previous poster, I'd say there's bigger balls on a chipmunk
He is not a GAA man anyway.
I hear the soccerball "supporters" were at it in Dublin today!
Add Corduff from Monaghan to this mix. Last 2 outings nothing short of disgusting. But sure that's Banty for you!
They playing intermediate?
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 08:02:42 PM
I hear the soccerball "supporters" were at it in Dublin today!
The difference is
A. The cops and stewards stepped in.
B. There will be serious repercussions
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 08:02:42 PM
I hear the soccerball "supporters" were at it in Dublin today!
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Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 13, 2022, 08:52:50 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 08:02:42 PM
I hear the soccerball "supporters" were at it in Dublin today!
The difference is
A. The cops and stewards stepped in.
B. There will be serious repercussions
Seems some of them were even fighting among themselves....
https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/fans-facing-bans-as-trouble-erupts-in-the-stands-and-outside-aviva-stadium-at-fai-cup-final-42141448.html
At least, outside of Dublin, gaa supporters don't beat the crap out of each other like the soccer supporters
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 10:15:19 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 13, 2022, 08:52:50 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 08:02:42 PM
I hear the soccerball "supporters" were at it in Dublin today!
The difference is
A. The cops and stewards stepped in.
B. There will be serious repercussions
Seems some of them were even fighting among themselves....
https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/fans-facing-bans-as-trouble-erupts-in-the-stands-and-outside-aviva-stadium-at-fai-cup-final-42141448.html
Headlines yesterday. Leinster Council awaiting referees report.
Headline today. Fans already banned.
Nobody is arguing that loons go to sport. The isduw is one sport deals with it. One doesn't.
probably on coke at the gaa and soccer.
Quote from: Eire90 on November 14, 2022, 05:07:57 AM
probably on coke at the gaa and soccer.
Whatever happened Finches Orange juice?
Preferred it to coke.
Quote from: johnnycool on November 14, 2022, 08:13:11 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on November 14, 2022, 05:07:57 AM
probably on coke at the gaa and soccer.
Whatever happened Finches Orange juice?
Preferred it to coke.
good oul fizz off it
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 13, 2022, 11:18:27 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 10:15:19 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 13, 2022, 08:52:50 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 08:02:42 PM
I hear the soccerball "supporters" were at it in Dublin today!
The difference is
A. The cops and stewards stepped in.
B. There will be serious repercussions
Seems some of them were even fighting among themselves....
https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/fans-facing-bans-as-trouble-erupts-in-the-stands-and-outside-aviva-stadium-at-fai-cup-final-42141448.html
Headlines yesterday. Leinster Council awaiting referees report.
Headline today. Fans already banned.
Nobody is arguing that loons go to sport. The isduw is one sport deals with it. One doesn't.
So your taking 'some fans may face bans' as 'fans already banned'
Yep, the guards and stewards took the time to get the name of all the scum that were thrown out of the aviva, and the scum were polite enough to comply with names and addresses. 😝
Quote from: Hound on November 14, 2022, 08:36:48 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 13, 2022, 11:18:27 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 10:15:19 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 13, 2022, 08:52:50 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 08:02:42 PM
I hear the soccerball "supporters" were at it in Dublin today!
The difference is
A. The cops and stewards stepped in.
B. There will be serious repercussions
Seems some of them were even fighting among themselves....
https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/fans-facing-bans-as-trouble-erupts-in-the-stands-and-outside-aviva-stadium-at-fai-cup-final-42141448.html
Headlines yesterday. Leinster Council awaiting referees report.
Headline today. Fans already banned.
Nobody is arguing that loons go to sport. The isduw is one sport deals with it. One doesn't.
So your taking 'some fans may face bans' as 'fans already banned'
Yep, the guards and stewards took the time to get the name of all the scum that were thrown out of the aviva, and the scum were polite enough to comply with names and addresses. 😝
But they were at least thrown out...
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 14, 2022, 09:43:40 AM
Quote from: Hound on November 14, 2022, 08:36:48 AM
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Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 13, 2022, 08:52:50 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 08:02:42 PM
I hear the soccerball "supporters" were at it in Dublin today!
The difference is
A. The cops and stewards stepped in.
B. There will be serious repercussions
Seems some of them were even fighting among themselves....
https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/fans-facing-bans-as-trouble-erupts-in-the-stands-and-outside-aviva-stadium-at-fai-cup-final-42141448.html
Headlines yesterday. Leinster Council awaiting referees report.
Headline today. Fans already banned.
Nobody is arguing that loons go to sport. The isduw is one sport deals with it. One doesn't.
So your taking 'some fans may face bans' as 'fans already banned'
Yep, the guards and stewards took the time to get the name of all the scum that were thrown out of the aviva, and the scum were polite enough to comply with names and addresses. 😝
But they were at least thrown out...
Ah sure that's grand, hopefully they will learn their lessons from getting thrown out and not return....
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 14, 2022, 09:43:40 AM
Quote from: Hound on November 14, 2022, 08:36:48 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 13, 2022, 11:18:27 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 10:15:19 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 13, 2022, 08:52:50 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 08:02:42 PM
I hear the soccerball "supporters" were at it in Dublin today!
The difference is
A. The cops and stewards stepped in.
B. There will be serious repercussions
Seems some of them were even fighting among themselves....
https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/fans-facing-bans-as-trouble-erupts-in-the-stands-and-outside-aviva-stadium-at-fai-cup-final-42141448.html
Headlines yesterday. Leinster Council awaiting referees report.
Headline today. Fans already banned.
Nobody is arguing that loons go to sport. The isduw is one sport deals with it. One doesn't.
So your taking 'some fans may face bans' as 'fans already banned'
Yep, the guards and stewards took the time to get the name of all the scum that were thrown out of the aviva, and the scum were polite enough to comply with names and addresses. 😝
But they were at least thrown out...
There was also trouble outside the stadium beforehand too
Public Order Unit were on standby,which you would never see at any GAA game
Quote from: clonadmad on November 14, 2022, 10:20:58 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 14, 2022, 09:43:40 AM
Quote from: Hound on November 14, 2022, 08:36:48 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 13, 2022, 11:18:27 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 10:15:19 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 13, 2022, 08:52:50 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 08:02:42 PM
I hear the soccerball "supporters" were at it in Dublin today!
The difference is
A. The cops and stewards stepped in.
B. There will be serious repercussions
Seems some of them were even fighting among themselves....
https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/fans-facing-bans-as-trouble-erupts-in-the-stands-and-outside-aviva-stadium-at-fai-cup-final-42141448.html
Headlines yesterday. Leinster Council awaiting referees report.
Headline today. Fans already banned.
Nobody is arguing that loons go to sport. The isduw is one sport deals with it. One doesn't.
So your taking 'some fans may face bans' as 'fans already banned'
Yep, the guards and stewards took the time to get the name of all the scum that were thrown out of the aviva, and the scum were polite enough to comply with names and addresses. 😝
But they were at least thrown out...
There was also trouble outside the stadium beforehand too
Public Order Unit were on standby,which you would never see at any GAA game
The argument the soccer heads are making, and it has validity, is both the GAA and soccer have a problem. It may manifest slightly differently but the problems exist.
Soccer takes it far more seriously in terms of reaction to and attempting to stop their problems. The GAA don't. The soccer lads problem is that the media and politicians jump all over their incidents and demand action, wheras the GAA just carry on. The GAA factuon that dismissed violence as handbags and part of the culture simply doesn't exist in soccer.
Admittedly what happened in Parnell Park has done that, but it was the most extreme crowd trouble in a while in any code due to the hurl being used and the complete lack of any response from stewards and guards.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 14, 2022, 09:57:34 AM
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Quote from: Hound on November 14, 2022, 08:36:48 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 13, 2022, 11:18:27 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 10:15:19 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 13, 2022, 08:52:50 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 08:02:42 PM
I hear the soccerball "supporters" were at it in Dublin today!
The difference is
A. The cops and stewards stepped in.
B. There will be serious repercussions
Seems some of them were even fighting among themselves....
https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/fans-facing-bans-as-trouble-erupts-in-the-stands-and-outside-aviva-stadium-at-fai-cup-final-42141448.html
Headlines yesterday. Leinster Council awaiting referees report.
Headline today. Fans already banned.
Nobody is arguing that loons go to sport. The isduw is one sport deals with it. One doesn't.
So your taking 'some fans may face bans' as 'fans already banned'
Yep, the guards and stewards took the time to get the name of all the scum that were thrown out of the aviva, and the scum were polite enough to comply with names and addresses. 😝
But they were at least thrown out...
Ah sure that's grand, hopefully they will learn their lessons from getting thrown out and not return....
Shels will get the photo images and ban them. The Derry fans atrested will be banned. Will Oolart take action against the woman who hit a kid at least 5 times, hard, across the back of the head with a hurl?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 14, 2022, 11:18:57 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 14, 2022, 09:57:34 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 14, 2022, 09:43:40 AM
Quote from: Hound on November 14, 2022, 08:36:48 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 13, 2022, 11:18:27 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 10:15:19 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 13, 2022, 08:52:50 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 08:02:42 PM
I hear the soccerball "supporters" were at it in Dublin today!
The difference is
A. The cops and stewards stepped in.
B. There will be serious repercussions
Seems some of them were even fighting among themselves....
https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/fans-facing-bans-as-trouble-erupts-in-the-stands-and-outside-aviva-stadium-at-fai-cup-final-42141448.html
Headlines yesterday. Leinster Council awaiting referees report.
Headline today. Fans already banned.
Nobody is arguing that loons go to sport. The isduw is one sport deals with it. One doesn't.
So your taking 'some fans may face bans' as 'fans already banned'
Yep, the guards and stewards took the time to get the name of all the scum that were thrown out of the aviva, and the scum were polite enough to comply with names and addresses. 😝
But they were at least thrown out...
Ah sure that's grand, hopefully they will learn their lessons from getting thrown out and not return....
Shels will get the photo images and ban them. The Derry fans atrested will be banned. Will Oolart take action against the woman who hit a kid at least 5 times, hard, across the back of the head with a hurl?
I hope she is named and shamed across social media, complete head da ball, what's even more daft you have some clampit on here (not you) defending such actions. Hopefully there is enough footage of her for the cops to arrest her, regardless of whether the player involved wants to proceed
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 14, 2022, 11:18:57 AM
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Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 14, 2022, 09:43:40 AM
Quote from: Hound on November 14, 2022, 08:36:48 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 13, 2022, 11:18:27 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 10:15:19 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 13, 2022, 08:52:50 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 08:02:42 PM
I hear the soccerball "supporters" were at it in Dublin today!
The difference is
A. The cops and stewards stepped in.
B. There will be serious repercussions
Seems some of them were even fighting among themselves....
https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/fans-facing-bans-as-trouble-erupts-in-the-stands-and-outside-aviva-stadium-at-fai-cup-final-42141448.html
Headlines yesterday. Leinster Council awaiting referees report.
Headline today. Fans already banned.
Nobody is arguing that loons go to sport. The isduw is one sport deals with it. One doesn't.
So your taking 'some fans may face bans' as 'fans already banned'
Yep, the guards and stewards took the time to get the name of all the scum that were thrown out of the aviva, and the scum were polite enough to comply with names and addresses. 😝
But they were at least thrown out...
Ah sure that's grand, hopefully they will learn their lessons from getting thrown out and not return....
Shels will get the photo images and ban them. The Derry fans atrested will be banned. Will Oolart take action against the woman who hit a kid at least 5 times, hard, across the back of the head with a hurl?
Was it a woman with the hurl? Madness. Seen a video but could only make out a hurl being swung
These are the images that go around the world and completely shame our game.
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Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 14, 2022, 09:43:40 AM
Quote from: Hound on November 14, 2022, 08:36:48 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 13, 2022, 11:18:27 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 10:15:19 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 13, 2022, 08:52:50 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 08:02:42 PM
I hear the soccerball "supporters" were at it in Dublin today!
The difference is
A. The cops and stewards stepped in.
B. There will be serious repercussions
Seems some of them were even fighting among themselves....
https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/fans-facing-bans-as-trouble-erupts-in-the-stands-and-outside-aviva-stadium-at-fai-cup-final-42141448.html
Headlines yesterday. Leinster Council awaiting referees report.
Headline today. Fans already banned.
Nobody is arguing that loons go to sport. The isduw is one sport deals with it. One doesn't.
So your taking 'some fans may face bans' as 'fans already banned'
Yep, the guards and stewards took the time to get the name of all the scum that were thrown out of the aviva, and the scum were polite enough to comply with names and addresses. 😝
But they were at least thrown out...
Ah sure that's grand, hopefully they will learn their lessons from getting thrown out and not return....
Shels will get the photo images and ban them. The Derry fans atrested will be banned. Will Oolart take action against the woman who hit a kid at least 5 times, hard, across the back of the head with a hurl?
I hope she is named and shamed across social media, complete head da ball, what's even more daft you have some clampit on here (not you) defending such actions. Hopefully there is enough footage of her for the cops to arrest her, regardless of whether the player involved wants to proceed
And this is my point. That clampit simply doesn't exist in soccer.
I note the Gardai claim they can't take any action as it happened in the stadium. That would be big news to LoI clubs. There is a double standard hete
Apparently Corduff were bad yesterday
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 14, 2022, 11:28:00 AM
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Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 14, 2022, 09:43:40 AM
Quote from: Hound on November 14, 2022, 08:36:48 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 13, 2022, 11:18:27 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 10:15:19 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 13, 2022, 08:52:50 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 08:02:42 PM
I hear the soccerball "supporters" were at it in Dublin today!
The difference is
A. The cops and stewards stepped in.
B. There will be serious repercussions
Seems some of them were even fighting among themselves....
https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/fans-facing-bans-as-trouble-erupts-in-the-stands-and-outside-aviva-stadium-at-fai-cup-final-42141448.html
Headlines yesterday. Leinster Council awaiting referees report.
Headline today. Fans already banned.
Nobody is arguing that loons go to sport. The isduw is one sport deals with it. One doesn't.
So your taking 'some fans may face bans' as 'fans already banned'
Yep, the guards and stewards took the time to get the name of all the scum that were thrown out of the aviva, and the scum were polite enough to comply with names and addresses. 😝
But they were at least thrown out...
Ah sure that's grand, hopefully they will learn their lessons from getting thrown out and not return....
Shels will get the photo images and ban them. The Derry fans atrested will be banned. Will Oolart take action against the woman who hit a kid at least 5 times, hard, across the back of the head with a hurl?
Was it a woman with the hurl? Madness. Seen a video but could only make out a hurl being swung
The second video from the other stand is quite clear
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 14, 2022, 12:04:13 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 14, 2022, 11:28:00 AM
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 14, 2022, 09:57:34 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 14, 2022, 09:43:40 AM
Quote from: Hound on November 14, 2022, 08:36:48 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 13, 2022, 11:18:27 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 10:15:19 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 13, 2022, 08:52:50 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 08:02:42 PM
I hear the soccerball "supporters" were at it in Dublin today!
The difference is
A. The cops and stewards stepped in.
B. There will be serious repercussions
Seems some of them were even fighting among themselves....
https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/fans-facing-bans-as-trouble-erupts-in-the-stands-and-outside-aviva-stadium-at-fai-cup-final-42141448.html
Headlines yesterday. Leinster Council awaiting referees report.
Headline today. Fans already banned.
Nobody is arguing that loons go to sport. The isduw is one sport deals with it. One doesn't.
So your taking 'some fans may face bans' as 'fans already banned'
Yep, the guards and stewards took the time to get the name of all the scum that were thrown out of the aviva, and the scum were polite enough to comply with names and addresses. 😝
But they were at least thrown out...
Ah sure that's grand, hopefully they will learn their lessons from getting thrown out and not return....
Shels will get the photo images and ban them. The Derry fans atrested will be banned. Will Oolart take action against the woman who hit a kid at least 5 times, hard, across the back of the head with a hurl?
Was it a woman with the hurl? Madness. Seen a video but could only make out a hurl being swung
The second video from the other stand is quite clear
Any link?
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 14, 2022, 12:05:41 PM
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Quote from: Armagh18 on November 14, 2022, 11:28:00 AM
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 14, 2022, 09:57:34 AM
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Quote from: Hound on November 14, 2022, 08:36:48 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 13, 2022, 11:18:27 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 10:15:19 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 13, 2022, 08:52:50 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 08:02:42 PM
I hear the soccerball "supporters" were at it in Dublin today!
The difference is
A. The cops and stewards stepped in.
B. There will be serious repercussions
Seems some of them were even fighting among themselves....
https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/fans-facing-bans-as-trouble-erupts-in-the-stands-and-outside-aviva-stadium-at-fai-cup-final-42141448.html
Headlines yesterday. Leinster Council awaiting referees report.
Headline today. Fans already banned.
Nobody is arguing that loons go to sport. The isduw is one sport deals with it. One doesn't.
So your taking 'some fans may face bans' as 'fans already banned'
Yep, the guards and stewards took the time to get the name of all the scum that were thrown out of the aviva, and the scum were polite enough to comply with names and addresses. 😝
But they were at least thrown out...
Ah sure that's grand, hopefully they will learn their lessons from getting thrown out and not return....
Shels will get the photo images and ban them. The Derry fans atrested will be banned. Will Oolart take action against the woman who hit a kid at least 5 times, hard, across the back of the head with a hurl?
Was it a woman with the hurl? Madness. Seen a video but could only make out a hurl being swung
The second video from the other stand is quite clear
Any link?
https://twitter.com/premierviewpod/status/1591544969348751363?s=48&t=46RPCd9ZsbEqUw6S51F6Sw just seen this one. Madness
That is actually mental.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 14, 2022, 11:28:00 AM
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Quote from: Hound on November 14, 2022, 08:36:48 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 13, 2022, 11:18:27 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 10:15:19 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 13, 2022, 08:52:50 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 08:02:42 PM
I hear the soccerball "supporters" were at it in Dublin today!
The difference is
A. The cops and stewards stepped in.
B. There will be serious repercussions
Seems some of them were even fighting among themselves....
https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/fans-facing-bans-as-trouble-erupts-in-the-stands-and-outside-aviva-stadium-at-fai-cup-final-42141448.html
Headlines yesterday. Leinster Council awaiting referees report.
Headline today. Fans already banned.
Nobody is arguing that loons go to sport. The isduw is one sport deals with it. One doesn't.
So your taking 'some fans may face bans' as 'fans already banned'
Yep, the guards and stewards took the time to get the name of all the scum that were thrown out of the aviva, and the scum were polite enough to comply with names and addresses. 😝
But they were at least thrown out...
Ah sure that's grand, hopefully they will learn their lessons from getting thrown out and not return....
Shels will get the photo images and ban them. The Derry fans atrested will be banned. Will Oolart take action against the woman who hit a kid at least 5 times, hard, across the back of the head with a hurl?
Was it a woman with the hurl? Madness. Seen a video but could only make out a hurl being swung
Was looking at it again to see if I could identify the hurl being swung and the lad in the grey hoodie put a smile on my face. The time it took him to crab walk down to the fight (due to the skinny jeans?). He stood watching for a few seconds before joining in but it looks like he got a taste of his own medicine. He looks concussed when the big lad in the jacket pulls him out and stands him aside.
Quote from: LeoMc on November 14, 2022, 12:17:31 PM
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Quote from: Hound on November 14, 2022, 08:36:48 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 13, 2022, 11:18:27 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 10:15:19 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 13, 2022, 08:52:50 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 08:02:42 PM
I hear the soccerball "supporters" were at it in Dublin today!
The difference is
A. The cops and stewards stepped in.
B. There will be serious repercussions
Seems some of them were even fighting among themselves....
https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/fans-facing-bans-as-trouble-erupts-in-the-stands-and-outside-aviva-stadium-at-fai-cup-final-42141448.html
Headlines yesterday. Leinster Council awaiting referees report.
Headline today. Fans already banned.
Nobody is arguing that loons go to sport. The isduw is one sport deals with it. One doesn't.
So your taking 'some fans may face bans' as 'fans already banned'
Yep, the guards and stewards took the time to get the name of all the scum that were thrown out of the aviva, and the scum were polite enough to comply with names and addresses. 😝
But they were at least thrown out...
Ah sure that's grand, hopefully they will learn their lessons from getting thrown out and not return....
Shels will get the photo images and ban them. The Derry fans atrested will be banned. Will Oolart take action against the woman who hit a kid at least 5 times, hard, across the back of the head with a hurl?
Was it a woman with the hurl? Madness. Seen a video but could only make out a hurl being swung
Was looking at it again to see if I could identify the hurl being swung and the lad in the grey hoodie put a smile on my face. The time it took him to crab walk down to the fight (due to the skinny jeans?). He stood watching for a few seconds before joining in but it looks like he got a taste of his own medicine. He looks concussed when the big lad in the jacket pulls him out and stands him aside.
Surely the only proper sanction following the scenes in Parnell Park is for Tyrone to be banned immediately from next years Ulster Championship.
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Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 10:15:19 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 13, 2022, 08:52:50 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 08:02:42 PM
I hear the soccerball "supporters" were at it in Dublin today!
The difference is
A. The cops and stewards stepped in.
B. There will be serious repercussions
Seems some of them were even fighting among themselves....
https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/fans-facing-bans-as-trouble-erupts-in-the-stands-and-outside-aviva-stadium-at-fai-cup-final-42141448.html
Headlines yesterday. Leinster Council awaiting referees report.
Headline today. Fans already banned.
Nobody is arguing that loons go to sport. The isduw is one sport deals with it. One doesn't.
So your taking 'some fans may face bans' as 'fans already banned'
Yep, the guards and stewards took the time to get the name of all the scum that were thrown out of the aviva, and the scum were polite enough to comply with names and addresses. 😝
But they were at least thrown out...
Ah sure that's grand, hopefully they will learn their lessons from getting thrown out and not return....
Shels will get the photo images and ban them. The Derry fans atrested will be banned. Will Oolart take action against the woman who hit a kid at least 5 times, hard, across the back of the head with a hurl?
Was it a woman with the hurl? Madness. Seen a video but could only make out a hurl being swung
Was looking at it again to see if I could identify the hurl being swung and the lad in the grey hoodie put a smile on my face. The time it took him to crab walk down to the fight (due to the skinny jeans?). He stood watching for a few seconds before joining in but it looks like he got a taste of his own medicine. He looks concussed when the big lad in the jacket pulls him out and stands him aside.
Surely the only proper sanction following the scenes in Parnell Park is for Tyrone to be banned immediately from next years Ulster Championship.
Logan is already working on the appeal.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 14, 2022, 11:17:25 AM
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Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 10:15:19 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 13, 2022, 08:52:50 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 08:02:42 PM
I hear the soccerball "supporters" were at it in Dublin today!
The difference is
A. The cops and stewards stepped in.
B. There will be serious repercussions
Seems some of them were even fighting among themselves....
https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/fans-facing-bans-as-trouble-erupts-in-the-stands-and-outside-aviva-stadium-at-fai-cup-final-42141448.html
Headlines yesterday. Leinster Council awaiting referees report.
Headline today. Fans already banned.
Nobody is arguing that loons go to sport. The isduw is one sport deals with it. One doesn't.
So your taking 'some fans may face bans' as 'fans already banned'
Yep, the guards and stewards took the time to get the name of all the scum that were thrown out of the aviva, and the scum were polite enough to comply with names and addresses. 😝
But they were at least thrown out...
There was also trouble outside the stadium beforehand too
Public Order Unit were on standby,which you would never see at any GAA game
The argument the soccer heads are making, and it has validity, is both the GAA and soccer have a problem. It may manifest slightly differently but the problems exist.
Soccer takes it far more seriously in terms of reaction to and attempting to stop their problems. The GAA don't. The soccer lads problem is that the media and politicians jump all over their incidents and demand action, wheras the GAA just carry on. The GAA factuon that dismissed violence as handbags and part of the culture simply doesn't exist in soccer.
Admittedly what happened in Parnell Park has done that, but it was the most extreme crowd trouble in a while in any code due to the hurl being used and the complete lack of any response from stewards and guards.
Second year in a row that the FAI Cup finals has had scenes like these near the Aviva?
If they are taking it seriously, what action did the FAI take this year to try and stop a repeat?
https://twitter.com/dubslife1/status/1591792542974107648
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on November 14, 2022, 03:00:55 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 14, 2022, 11:17:25 AM
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Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 14, 2022, 09:43:40 AM
Quote from: Hound on November 14, 2022, 08:36:48 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 13, 2022, 11:18:27 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 10:15:19 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 13, 2022, 08:52:50 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 08:02:42 PM
I hear the soccerball "supporters" were at it in Dublin today!
The difference is
A. The cops and stewards stepped in.
B. There will be serious repercussions
Seems some of them were even fighting among themselves....
https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/fans-facing-bans-as-trouble-erupts-in-the-stands-and-outside-aviva-stadium-at-fai-cup-final-42141448.html
Headlines yesterday. Leinster Council awaiting referees report.
Headline today. Fans already banned.
Nobody is arguing that loons go to sport. The isduw is one sport deals with it. One doesn't.
So your taking 'some fans may face bans' as 'fans already banned'
Yep, the guards and stewards took the time to get the name of all the scum that were thrown out of the aviva, and the scum were polite enough to comply with names and addresses. 😝
But they were at least thrown out...
There was also trouble outside the stadium beforehand too
Public Order Unit were on standby,which you would never see at any GAA game
The argument the soccer heads are making, and it has validity, is both the GAA and soccer have a problem. It may manifest slightly differently but the problems exist.
Soccer takes it far more seriously in terms of reaction to and attempting to stop their problems. The GAA don't. The soccer lads problem is that the media and politicians jump all over their incidents and demand action, wheras the GAA just carry on. The GAA factuon that dismissed violence as handbags and part of the culture simply doesn't exist in soccer.
Admittedly what happened in Parnell Park has done that, but it was the most extreme crowd trouble in a while in any code due to the hurl being used and the complete lack of any response from stewards and guards.
Second year in a row that the FAI Cup finals has had scenes like these near the Aviva?
If they are taking it seriously, what action did the FAI take this year to try and stop a repeat?
https://twitter.com/dubslife1/status/1591792542974107648
That final is just turning into a national gurrier day out.
Impressive crowd. 30k plus? The NI cup final wouldnt get near that.
Unfortunate scenes. Surely some better way to segregate seeming as this now seems to be annual as you say. Was it the same pub/street last year too?
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on November 14, 2022, 03:38:11 PM
Impressive crowd. 30k plus? The NI cup final wouldnt get near that.
Unfortunate scenes. Surely some better way to segregate seeming as this now seems to be annual as you say. Was it the same pub/street last year too?
Yeah same pub Irishtown inn, Guards probably shouldn't have let them march down in front of it.
I'd lean on blaming the Shels "fans" there, a lot of the Dublin clubs have a hooligan element.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 14, 2022, 11:17:25 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 14, 2022, 10:20:58 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 14, 2022, 09:43:40 AM
Quote from: Hound on November 14, 2022, 08:36:48 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 13, 2022, 11:18:27 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 10:15:19 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 13, 2022, 08:52:50 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 08:02:42 PM
I hear the soccerball "supporters" were at it in Dublin today!
The difference is
A. The cops and stewards stepped in.
B. There will be serious repercussions
Seems some of them were even fighting among themselves....
https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/fans-facing-bans-as-trouble-erupts-in-the-stands-and-outside-aviva-stadium-at-fai-cup-final-42141448.html
Headlines yesterday. Leinster Council awaiting referees report.
Headline today. Fans already banned.
Nobody is arguing that loons go to sport. The isduw is one sport deals with it. One doesn't.
So your taking 'some fans may face bans' as 'fans already banned'
Yep, the guards and stewards took the time to get the name of all the scum that were thrown out of the aviva, and the scum were polite enough to comply with names and addresses. 😝
But they were at least thrown out...
There was also trouble outside the stadium beforehand too
Public Order Unit were on standby,which you would never see at any GAA game
The argument the soccer heads are making, and it has validity, is both the GAA and soccer have a problem. It may manifest slightly differently but the problems exist.
Soccer takes it far more seriously in terms of reaction to and attempting to stop their problems. The GAA don't. The soccer lads problem is that the media and politicians jump all over their incidents and demand action, wheras the GAA just carry on. The GAA factuon that dismissed violence as handbags and part of the culture simply doesn't exist in soccer.
Admittedly what happened in Parnell Park has done that, but it was the most extreme crowd trouble in a while in any code due to the hurl being used and the complete lack of any response from stewards and guards.
This is the second year in a row in the vicinity of Irishtown House that there's been fans fighting each other and the public order unit having to get involved.
I could only imagine the outcry if this similar happened at an intercounty game
What is it with soccer that they seem to think a culture like this is acceptable?,Why do Irish fans want to ape their British Counterparts in this regards?
I don't know why LOI fans consistently attack GAA when they have their own much worse violence issues.
Plus lots of people support LOI and GAA.
Quote from: full moon on November 14, 2022, 03:41:35 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on November 14, 2022, 03:38:11 PM
Impressive crowd. 30k plus? The NI cup final wouldnt get near that.
Unfortunate scenes. Surely some better way to segregate seeming as this now seems to be annual as you say. Was it the same pub/street last year too?
Yeah same pub Irishtown inn, Guards probably shouldn't have let them march down in front of it.
I'd lean on blaming the Shels "fans" there, a lot of the Dublin clubs have a hooligan element.
Nah both fans were as bad as each other-Derry had a pile of hanger oners there yesterday, usually get 5k max at The Brandy. 20k went yesterday
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 14, 2022, 03:45:40 PM
Quote from: full moon on November 14, 2022, 03:41:35 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on November 14, 2022, 03:38:11 PM
Impressive crowd. 30k plus? The NI cup final wouldnt get near that.
Unfortunate scenes. Surely some better way to segregate seeming as this now seems to be annual as you say. Was it the same pub/street last year too?
Yeah same pub Irishtown inn, Guards probably shouldn't have let them march down in front of it.
I'd lean on blaming the Shels "fans" there, a lot of the Dublin clubs have a hooligan element.
Nah both fans were as bad as each other-Derry had a pile of hanger oners there yesterday, usually get 5k max at The Brandy. 20k went yesterday
Fair enough, I'm just going off the video outside the pub seemed like Shelbourne started it. 20k very impressive turnout by Derry even if it's a one off.
Quote from: full moon on November 14, 2022, 03:47:51 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 14, 2022, 03:45:40 PM
Quote from: full moon on November 14, 2022, 03:41:35 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on November 14, 2022, 03:38:11 PM
Impressive crowd. 30k plus? The NI cup final wouldnt get near that.
Unfortunate scenes. Surely some better way to segregate seeming as this now seems to be annual as you say. Was it the same pub/street last year too?
Yeah same pub Irishtown inn, Guards probably shouldn't have let them march down in front of it.
I'd lean on blaming the Shels "fans" there, a lot of the Dublin clubs have a hooligan element.
Nah both fans were as bad as each other-Derry had a pile of hanger oners there yesterday, usually get 5k max at The Brandy. 20k went yesterday
Fair enough, I'm just going off the video outside the pub seemed like Shelbourne started it. 20k very impressive turnout by Derry even if it's a one off.
Wouldnt be the first time we took that number down, but yes its good. The derry fans were the ones launching the bottles down from the pub, we know how to throw to be fair
Quote from: clonadmad on November 14, 2022, 03:42:45 PM
This is the second year in a row in the vicinity of Irishtown House that there's been fans fighting each other and the public order unit having to get involved.
I could only imagine the outcry if this similar happened at an intercounty game
What is it with soccer that they seem to think a culture like this is acceptable?,Why do Irish fans want to ape their British Counterparts in this regards?
It's not just English hooligan culture that Irish soccer fans copy. For example when Luis Figo had a pig's head thrown onto the pitch at him at the Nou Camp 20 years ago, Shamrock Rovers fans copied that and did the same to a couple of their players who had joined Bohs.
Intellect and Imagination in short supply.
That maniac with a hurl in the stand, swinging it like a, wikd thing, WTF, Assault with a weapon, unreal,
Quote from: full moon on November 14, 2022, 03:44:01 PM
I don't know why LOI fans consistently attack GAA when they have their own much worse violence issues.
Plus lots of people support LOI and GAA.
Is it worse though?
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on November 14, 2022, 03:00:55 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 14, 2022, 11:17:25 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 14, 2022, 10:20:58 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 14, 2022, 09:43:40 AM
Quote from: Hound on November 14, 2022, 08:36:48 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 13, 2022, 11:18:27 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 10:15:19 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 13, 2022, 08:52:50 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 08:02:42 PM
I hear the soccerball "supporters" were at it in Dublin today!
The difference is
A. The cops and stewards stepped in.
B. There will be serious repercussions
Seems some of them were even fighting among themselves....
https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/fans-facing-bans-as-trouble-erupts-in-the-stands-and-outside-aviva-stadium-at-fai-cup-final-42141448.html
Headlines yesterday. Leinster Council awaiting referees report.
Headline today. Fans already banned.
Nobody is arguing that loons go to sport. The isduw is one sport deals with it. One doesn't.
So your taking 'some fans may face bans' as 'fans already banned'
Yep, the guards and stewards took the time to get the name of all the scum that were thrown out of the aviva, and the scum were polite enough to comply with names and addresses. 😝
But they were at least thrown out...
There was also trouble outside the stadium beforehand too
Public Order Unit were on standby,which you would never see at any GAA game
The argument the soccer heads are making, and it has validity, is both the GAA and soccer have a problem. It may manifest slightly differently but the problems exist.
Soccer takes it far more seriously in terms of reaction to and attempting to stop their problems. The GAA don't. The soccer lads problem is that the media and politicians jump all over their incidents and demand action, wheras the GAA just carry on. The GAA factuon that dismissed violence as handbags and part of the culture simply doesn't exist in soccer.
Admittedly what happened in Parnell Park has done that, but it was the most extreme crowd trouble in a while in any code due to the hurl being used and the complete lack of any response from stewards and guards.
Second year in a row that the FAI Cup finals has had scenes like these near the Aviva?
If they are taking it seriously, what action did the FAI take this year to try and stop a repeat?
https://twitter.com/dubslife1/status/1591792542974107648
I'm not sure what the FAI can do here....
The Derry fans were in a pub with some Gardai hanging about, as per. Another group of Guards escorted a march of the Shels pups past them. Some wires definitely seem to have gotten crossed
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 14, 2022, 05:15:20 PM
Quote from: full moon on November 14, 2022, 03:44:01 PM
I don't know why LOI fans consistently attack GAA when they have their own much worse violence issues.
Plus lots of people support LOI and GAA.
Is it worse though?
It is worse in the LOI. There is pre match rows with fans thinking they are in Green Street or Football Factory. Every week in the LOI flares are being used and clubs being fined.
Shelbourne fans were rowing among themselves by the end of it https://t.co/w1HmZwUbJG
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 14, 2022, 05:17:48 PM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on November 14, 2022, 03:00:55 PM
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Quote from: clonadmad on November 14, 2022, 10:20:58 AM
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Quote from: Hound on November 14, 2022, 08:36:48 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 13, 2022, 11:18:27 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 10:15:19 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 13, 2022, 08:52:50 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 08:02:42 PM
I hear the soccerball "supporters" were at it in Dublin today!
The difference is
A. The cops and stewards stepped in.
B. There will be serious repercussions
Seems some of them were even fighting among themselves....
https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/fans-facing-bans-as-trouble-erupts-in-the-stands-and-outside-aviva-stadium-at-fai-cup-final-42141448.html
Headlines yesterday. Leinster Council awaiting referees report.
Headline today. Fans already banned.
Nobody is arguing that loons go to sport. The isduw is one sport deals with it. One doesn't.
So your taking 'some fans may face bans' as 'fans already banned'
Yep, the guards and stewards took the time to get the name of all the scum that were thrown out of the aviva, and the scum were polite enough to comply with names and addresses. 😝
But they were at least thrown out...
There was also trouble outside the stadium beforehand too
Public Order Unit were on standby,which you would never see at any GAA game
The argument the soccer heads are making, and it has validity, is both the GAA and soccer have a problem. It may manifest slightly differently but the problems exist.
Soccer takes it far more seriously in terms of reaction to and attempting to stop their problems. The GAA don't. The soccer lads problem is that the media and politicians jump all over their incidents and demand action, wheras the GAA just carry on. The GAA factuon that dismissed violence as handbags and part of the culture simply doesn't exist in soccer.
Admittedly what happened in Parnell Park has done that, but it was the most extreme crowd trouble in a while in any code due to the hurl being used and the complete lack of any response from stewards and guards.
Second year in a row that the FAI Cup finals has had scenes like these near the Aviva?
If they are taking it seriously, what action did the FAI take this year to try and stop a repeat?
https://twitter.com/dubslife1/status/1591792542974107648
I'm not sure what the FAI can do here....
The Derry fans were in a pub with some Gardai hanging about, as per. Another group of Guards escorted a march of the Shels pups past them. Some wires definitely seem to have gotten crossed
And why would there be such tension before a game?. Donegal fans being escorted past Kerry fans doesn't result in a row.
The Gaa supporters obviously get worked up too, but that is in game related. Some of the LOI fans are just looking for a row regardless
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 14, 2022, 05:17:48 PM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on November 14, 2022, 03:00:55 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 14, 2022, 11:17:25 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 14, 2022, 10:20:58 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 14, 2022, 09:43:40 AM
Quote from: Hound on November 14, 2022, 08:36:48 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 13, 2022, 11:18:27 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 10:15:19 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 13, 2022, 08:52:50 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 08:02:42 PM
I hear the soccerball "supporters" were at it in Dublin today!
The difference is
A. The cops and stewards stepped in.
B. There will be serious repercussions
Seems some of them were even fighting among themselves....
https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/fans-facing-bans-as-trouble-erupts-in-the-stands-and-outside-aviva-stadium-at-fai-cup-final-42141448.html
Headlines yesterday. Leinster Council awaiting referees report.
Headline today. Fans already banned.
Nobody is arguing that loons go to sport. The isduw is one sport deals with it. One doesn't.
So your taking 'some fans may face bans' as 'fans already banned'
Yep, the guards and stewards took the time to get the name of all the scum that were thrown out of the aviva, and the scum were polite enough to comply with names and addresses. 😝
But they were at least thrown out...
There was also trouble outside the stadium beforehand too
Public Order Unit were on standby,which you would never see at any GAA game
The argument the soccer heads are making, and it has validity, is both the GAA and soccer have a problem. It may manifest slightly differently but the problems exist.
Soccer takes it far more seriously in terms of reaction to and attempting to stop their problems. The GAA don't. The soccer lads problem is that the media and politicians jump all over their incidents and demand action, wheras the GAA just carry on. The GAA factuon that dismissed violence as handbags and part of the culture simply doesn't exist in soccer.
Admittedly what happened in Parnell Park has done that, but it was the most extreme crowd trouble in a while in any code due to the hurl being used and the complete lack of any response from stewards and guards.
Second year in a row that the FAI Cup finals has had scenes like these near the Aviva?
If they are taking it seriously, what action did the FAI take this year to try and stop a repeat?
https://twitter.com/dubslife1/status/1591792542974107648
I'm not sure what the FAI can do here....
The Derry fans were in a pub with some Gardai hanging about, as per. Another group of Guards escorted a march of the Shels pups past them. Some wires definitely seem to have gotten crossed
So it's the fault of the Gardai ?
How about the LOI fans behave like fans of every other sport in this country without playing pretend hooligans
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 08:02:42 PM
I hear the soccerball "supporters" were at it in Dublin today!
Did they batter any refs Roscommon style?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 14, 2022, 04:28:35 PM
That maniac with a hurl on the stand, swinging it like a, wikd thing, WTF, Assault with a weapon, unreal,
Was probably a soccer fan pretending to be a GAA fan.
Quote from: laoislad on November 14, 2022, 08:38:21 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 08:02:42 PM
I hear the soccerball "supporters" were at it in Dublin today!
Did they batter any refs Roscommon style?
Ref was pushed not battered.
Enjoy Division 4.
Quote from: Rossfan on November 14, 2022, 08:57:00 PM
Quote from: laoislad on November 14, 2022, 08:38:21 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 08:02:42 PM
I hear the soccerball "supporters" were at it in Dublin today!
Did they batter any refs Roscommon style?
Ref was pushed not battered.
Enjoy Division 4.
Last time I checked Laois were in Division 1...
Oh wait you meant bogball did you? Yeah sorry to burst your bubble, I couldn't give a f**k.
Now maybe if your players showed as much fight against Clare in Croke Park as that man who battered that Ref..
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 14, 2022, 05:17:48 PM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on November 14, 2022, 03:00:55 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 14, 2022, 11:17:25 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 14, 2022, 10:20:58 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 14, 2022, 09:43:40 AM
Quote from: Hound on November 14, 2022, 08:36:48 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 13, 2022, 11:18:27 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 10:15:19 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 13, 2022, 08:52:50 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 08:02:42 PM
I hear the soccerball "supporters" were at it in Dublin today!
The difference is
A. The cops and stewards stepped in.
B. There will be serious repercussions
Seems some of them were even fighting among themselves....
https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/fans-facing-bans-as-trouble-erupts-in-the-stands-and-outside-aviva-stadium-at-fai-cup-final-42141448.html
Headlines yesterday. Leinster Council awaiting referees report.
Headline today. Fans already banned.
Nobody is arguing that loons go to sport. The isduw is one sport deals with it. One doesn't.
So your taking 'some fans may face bans' as 'fans already banned'
Yep, the guards and stewards took the time to get the name of all the scum that were thrown out of the aviva, and the scum were polite enough to comply with names and addresses. 😝
But they were at least thrown out...
There was also trouble outside the stadium beforehand too
Public Order Unit were on standby,which you would never see at any GAA game
The argument the soccer heads are making, and it has validity, is both the GAA and soccer have a problem. It may manifest slightly differently but the problems exist.
Soccer takes it far more seriously in terms of reaction to and attempting to stop their problems. The GAA don't. The soccer lads problem is that the media and politicians jump all over their incidents and demand action, wheras the GAA just carry on. The GAA factuon that dismissed violence as handbags and part of the culture simply doesn't exist in soccer.
Admittedly what happened in Parnell Park has done that, but it was the most extreme crowd trouble in a while in any code due to the hurl being used and the complete lack of any response from stewards and guards.
Second year in a row that the FAI Cup finals has had scenes like these near the Aviva?
If they are taking it seriously, what action did the FAI take this year to try and stop a repeat?
https://twitter.com/dubslife1/status/1591792542974107648
I'm not sure what the FAI can do here....
The Derry fans were in a pub with some Gardai hanging about, as per. Another group of Guards escorted a march of the Shels pups past them. Some wires definitely seem to have gotten crossed
;D
Maybe the Gardai were just used to policing the auld GAA matches and therefore expected two sets of fans to be able to *walk past each other* without a brawl ensuing?
Throwing shit in all directions, hoping something sticks
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 14, 2022, 05:15:20 PM
Quote from: full moon on November 14, 2022, 03:44:01 PM
I don't know why LOI fans consistently attack GAA when they have their own much worse violence issues.
Plus lots of people support LOI and GAA.
Is it worse though?
Without a doubt.
By your own admission, Gardai made a mistake in asking two groups of opposing fans to
walk past each other ;D - because of the risk of violence.
When said violence duly occurred - you all but blamed the Guards - making yourself exactly the person who (a few posts ago) you said didn't exist in soccer ::)
Much as you'd love to will it into existence, the GAA simply doesn't have this kind of issue
a lot of people that never go to Derry city games or watch them were there same in strabane when tyrone get to semis.
Maybe the Gardai were just used to policing the auld GAA matches and therefore expected two sets of fans to be able to *walk past each other* without a brawl ensuing?
Throwing shit in all directions, hoping something sticks
Could be as not one guard had a helmet on and all sorts were flying through the air
Quote from: Franko on November 14, 2022, 11:00:18 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 14, 2022, 05:15:20 PM
Quote from: full moon on November 14, 2022, 03:44:01 PM
I don't know why LOI fans consistently attack GAA when they have their own much worse violence issues.
Plus lots of people support LOI and GAA.
Is it worse though?
Without a doubt.
By your own admission, Gardai made a mistake in asking two groups of opposing fans to walk past each other ;D - because of the risk of violence.
When said violence duly occurred - you all but blamed the Guards - making yourself exactly the person who (a few posts ago) you said didn't exist in soccer ::)
Much as you'd love to will it into existence, the GAA simply doesn't have this kind of issue
I never said 'it' doesn't exist in soccer. I said violence in that sport also exists but manifests itself differently. The GAA has a different kind of issue.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 15, 2022, 10:06:30 AM
Quote from: Franko on November 14, 2022, 11:00:18 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 14, 2022, 05:15:20 PM
Quote from: full moon on November 14, 2022, 03:44:01 PM
I don't know why LOI fans consistently attack GAA when they have their own much worse violence issues.
Plus lots of people support LOI and GAA.
Is it worse though?
Without a doubt.
By your own admission, Gardai made a mistake in asking two groups of opposing fans to walk past each other ;D - because of the risk of violence.
When said violence duly occurred - you all but blamed the Guards - making yourself exactly the person who (a few posts ago) you said didn't exist in soccer ::)
Much as you'd love to will it into existence, the GAA simply doesn't have this kind of issue
I never said 'it' doesn't exist in soccer. I said violence in that sport also exists but manifests itself differently. The GAA has a different kind of issue.
Read what I said again
Quote from: Franko on November 15, 2022, 10:30:56 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 15, 2022, 10:06:30 AM
Quote from: Franko on November 14, 2022, 11:00:18 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 14, 2022, 05:15:20 PM
Quote from: full moon on November 14, 2022, 03:44:01 PM
I don't know why LOI fans consistently attack GAA when they have their own much worse violence issues.
Plus lots of people support LOI and GAA.
Is it worse though?
Without a doubt.
By your own admission, Gardai made a mistake in asking two groups of opposing fans to walk past each other ;D - because of the risk of violence.
When said violence duly occurred - you all but blamed the Guards - making yourself exactly the person who (a few posts ago) you said didn't exist in soccer ::)
Much as you'd love to will it into existence, the GAA simply doesn't have this kind of issue
I never said 'it' doesn't exist in soccer. I said violence in that sport also exists but manifests itself differently. The GAA has a different kind of issue.
Read what I said again
Read what I said. Soccer has a problem, same nonsense in the same spot last year. But that doesn't mean the GAA doesn't have a problem. In fact, why are we even talking about soccer?
We usually talk about soccer because you bring it up.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 15, 2022, 10:32:17 AM
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Quote from: full moon on November 14, 2022, 03:44:01 PM
I don't know why LOI fans consistently attack GAA when they have their own much worse violence issues.
Plus lots of people support LOI and GAA.
Is it worse though?
Without a doubt.
By your own admission, Gardai made a mistake in asking two groups of opposing fans to walk past each other ;D - because of the risk of violence.
When said violence duly occurred - you all but blamed the Guards - making yourself exactly the person who (a few posts ago) you said didn't exist in soccer ::)
Much as you'd love to will it into existence, the GAA simply doesn't have this kind of issue
I never said 'it' doesn't exist in soccer. I said violence in that sport also exists but manifests itself differently. The GAA has a different kind of issue.
Read what I said again
Read what I said. Soccer has a problem, same nonsense in the same spot last year. But that doesn't mean the GAA doesn't have a problem. In fact, why are we even talking about soccer?
Basic comprehension issues
You said "Soccer takes it far more seriously in terms of reaction to and attempting to stop their problems."
When confronted with evidence as to a brawl that occurred (for the second year in a row) when fans *walked past each other* you basically blamed the Gardai for asking the poor innocent fans to walk past each other lol
Doesn't sound like someone taking things 'far more seriously' to me
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 15, 2022, 10:32:17 AM
Quote from: Franko on November 15, 2022, 10:30:56 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 15, 2022, 10:06:30 AM
Quote from: Franko on November 14, 2022, 11:00:18 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 14, 2022, 05:15:20 PM
Quote from: full moon on November 14, 2022, 03:44:01 PM
I don't know why LOI fans consistently attack GAA when they have their own much worse violence issues.
Plus lots of people support LOI and GAA.
Is it worse though?
Without a doubt.
By your own admission, Gardai made a mistake in asking two groups of opposing fans to walk past each other ;D - because of the risk of violence.
When said violence duly occurred - you all but blamed the Guards - making yourself exactly the person who (a few posts ago) you said didn't exist in soccer ::)
Much as you'd love to will it into existence, the GAA simply doesn't have this kind of issue
I never said 'it' doesn't exist in soccer. I said violence in that sport also exists but manifests itself differently. The GAA has a different kind of issue.
Read what I said again
Read what I said. Soccer has a problem, same nonsense in the same spot last year. But that doesn't mean the GAA doesn't have a problem. In fact, why are we even talking about soccer?
Because fellas on here who bury their heads in the sand and turn a blind eye when it comes to GAA violence like to get all smug about it when it happens in Soccer.
The oh look what the soccer crowd are at again brigade.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport-columnists-gaa/arid-41006753.html
is it a societal problem
Quote from: laoislad on November 15, 2022, 10:58:48 AM
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Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 15, 2022, 10:06:30 AM
Quote from: Franko on November 14, 2022, 11:00:18 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 14, 2022, 05:15:20 PM
Quote from: full moon on November 14, 2022, 03:44:01 PM
I don't know why LOI fans consistently attack GAA when they have their own much worse violence issues.
Plus lots of people support LOI and GAA.
Is it worse though?
Without a doubt.
By your own admission, Gardai made a mistake in asking two groups of opposing fans to walk past each other ;D - because of the risk of violence.
When said violence duly occurred - you all but blamed the Guards - making yourself exactly the person who (a few posts ago) you said didn't exist in soccer ::)
Much as you'd love to will it into existence, the GAA simply doesn't have this kind of issue
I never said 'it' doesn't exist in soccer. I said violence in that sport also exists but manifests itself differently. The GAA has a different kind of issue.
Read what I said again
Read what I said. Soccer has a problem, same nonsense in the same spot last year. But that doesn't mean the GAA doesn't have a problem. In fact, why are we even talking about soccer?
Because fellas on here who bury their heads in the sand and turn a blind eye when it comes to GAA violence like to get all smug about it when it happens in Soccer.
The oh look what the soccer crowd are at again brigade.
BB2 was totally happy to make the comparisons when the GAA had a violent incident
Only when the discussions took a turn and we began talking about the groundball 'supporters' being unable to walk past each other without a riot - THEN the discussion became off limits
You're fooling nobody lads
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Quote from: Franko on November 14, 2022, 11:00:18 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 14, 2022, 05:15:20 PM
Quote from: full moon on November 14, 2022, 03:44:01 PM
I don't know why LOI fans consistently attack GAA when they have their own much worse violence issues.
Plus lots of people support LOI and GAA.
Is it worse though?
Without a doubt.
By your own admission, Gardai made a mistake in asking two groups of opposing fans to walk past each other ;D - because of the risk of violence.
When said violence duly occurred - you all but blamed the Guards - making yourself exactly the person who (a few posts ago) you said didn't exist in soccer ::)
Much as you'd love to will it into existence, the GAA simply doesn't have this kind of issue
I never said 'it' doesn't exist in soccer. I said violence in that sport also exists but manifests itself differently. The GAA has a different kind of issue.
Read what I said again
Read what I said. Soccer has a problem, same nonsense in the same spot last year. But that doesn't mean the GAA doesn't have a problem. In fact, why are we even talking about soccer?
Because fellas on here who bury their heads in the sand and turn a blind eye when it comes to GAA violence like to get all smug about it when it happens in Soccer.
The oh look what the soccer crowd are at again brigade.
BB2 was totally happy to make the comparisons when the GAA had a violent incident
Only when the discussions took a turn and we began talking about the groundball 'supporters' being unable to walk past each other without a riot - THEN the discussion became off limits
You're fooling nobody lads
I didn't make any comparisons untill after the FAI cup final. Others brought that up.
Any objection to my actual point? Both sports have a problem. Soccer deals with it more robustly than we do.
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Quote from: Franko on November 15, 2022, 01:09:20 PM
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Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 15, 2022, 10:32:17 AM
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Quote from: Franko on November 14, 2022, 11:00:18 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 14, 2022, 05:15:20 PM
Quote from: full moon on November 14, 2022, 03:44:01 PM
I don't know why LOI fans consistently attack GAA when they have their own much worse violence issues.
Plus lots of people support LOI and GAA.
Is it worse though?
Without a doubt.
By your own admission, Gardai made a mistake in asking two groups of opposing fans to walk past each other ;D - because of the risk of violence.
When said violence duly occurred - you all but blamed the Guards - making yourself exactly the person who (a few posts ago) you said didn't exist in soccer ::)
Much as you'd love to will it into existence, the GAA simply doesn't have this kind of issue
I never said 'it' doesn't exist in soccer. I said violence in that sport also exists but manifests itself differently. The GAA has a different kind of issue.
Read what I said again
Read what I said. Soccer has a problem, same nonsense in the same spot last year. But that doesn't mean the GAA doesn't have a problem. In fact, why are we even talking about soccer?
Because fellas on here who bury their heads in the sand and turn a blind eye when it comes to GAA violence like to get all smug about it when it happens in Soccer.
The oh look what the soccer crowd are at again brigade.
BB2 was totally happy to make the comparisons when the GAA had a violent incident
Only when the discussions took a turn and we began talking about the groundball 'supporters' being unable to walk past each other without a riot - THEN the discussion became off limits
You're fooling nobody lads
I didn't make any comparisons untill after the FAI cup final. Others brought that up.
Any objection to my actual point? Both sports have a problem. Soccer deals with it more robustly than we do.
Aye... so that's just a lie.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 13, 2022, 01:29:30 PM
Quote from: themac_23 on November 13, 2022, 09:26:38 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2022, 09:21:04 AM
And it continues....
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41005442.html
From that the on field looked to be more handbags than anything (hard to tell from the terrible camera) the supporter stuff bang out of order, but can't really hold the clubs responsible. It's a big game and as in all sports big games attract idiots. It's a neutral venue so can't really see either club being taken to task for it.
People need to grow up, I can't imagine getting that wound up at a game as a spectator that I'd scale a load a rows of seats to throw digs. Morons
Soccer clubs are held to account for their fans behaviour at neutral venues
On your substantive point - yes, of course there's an issue in the GAA. Hence there's a load of GAA people discussing it on a dedicated thread on a GAA discussion board.
I kinda thought that was a given
But for somebody to say that the issue is worse than in a sport where fans are segregated, heavily policed, banned from drinking and actually can't be trusted to walk past each other (with a heavy police presence) without starting a riot
That's more bullshit than I'm prepared to swallow
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 14, 2022, 05:15:20 PM
Quote from: full moon on November 14, 2022, 03:44:01 PM
I don't know why LOI fans consistently attack GAA when they have their own much worse violence issues.
Plus lots of people support LOI and GAA.
Is it worse though?
I believe so.
For all the rivalry in club and county GAA one can still sit or stand beside a rival supporter at matches share a few drinks after the match and enjoy a bit of banter.
A lot of the rivalry in association football is pure hate, supporters have to kept separated
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41013977.html
Quote from: Rossfan on November 24, 2022, 04:09:20 PM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41013977.html
Be interesting to see what bans actually stick. Also how spectator bans could possibly ever be enforced.
Both teams should got banned
U21 club game abandoned after 59mins. Big bust up involving most players. One player lost consciousness due to choking, Huge inquiry now, would expect this to make national news.
Edit to remove an ambiguous statement. Poster advised and may re-edit as poster sees fit.
Mod5
What county Rudi?
https://www.donegallive.ie/news/gaa/969052/melee-and-fading-light-led-to-game-in-dunkineely-being-abandoned.html
Slightly watered down report, was speaking to a neutral at the game.
Not good
Quote from: Rudi on November 24, 2022, 08:17:50 PM
U21 club game abandoned after 59mins. Big bust up involving most players. One player lost consciousness due to choking, Huge inquiry now, would expect this to make national news.
Edit to remove an ambiguous statement. Poster advised and may re-edit as poster sees fit.
Mod5
How is the huge inquiry going?
Typical Donegal, both should be thrown out and banned for life. Only 5 points scored in 59 minutes? Disgraceful.
On a serious note, hope the lad is ok. U21's can be a funny age. Melees would have been the standard for 90% of games I ever watched or played in at that age level.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 25, 2022, 09:27:04 AM
Typical Donegal, both should be thrown out and banned for life. Only 5 points scored in 59 minutes? Disgraceful.
On a serious note, hope the lad is ok. U21's can be a funny age. Melees would have been the standard for 90% of games I ever watched or played in at that age level.
So in 10 games you've watched or played in at that level there was 9 melee's? Christ that's wild, there's the odd dust up here and there but if they are anything like what was reported above at that ratio then there's is something wrong in Armagh
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2022, 09:48:57 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 25, 2022, 09:27:04 AM
Typical Donegal, both should be thrown out and banned for life. Only 5 points scored in 59 minutes? Disgraceful.
On a serious note, hope the lad is ok. U21's can be a funny age. Melees would have been the standard for 90% of games I ever watched or played in at that age level.
So in 10 games you've watched or played in at that level there was 9 melee's? Christ that's wild, there's the odd dust up here and there but if they are anything like what was reported above at that ratio then there's is something wrong in Armagh
Well maybe 90% is abit exaggerated and a lot were more pushing and shoving than melees lol but it's that age where a lot of lads maybe try and act the hard fella abit more. Just my experience.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 25, 2022, 09:51:56 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2022, 09:48:57 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 25, 2022, 09:27:04 AM
Typical Donegal, both should be thrown out and banned for life. Only 5 points scored in 59 minutes? Disgraceful.
On a serious note, hope the lad is ok. U21's can be a funny age. Melees would have been the standard for 90% of games I ever watched or played in at that age level.
So in 10 games you've watched or played in at that level there was 9 melee's? Christ that's wild, there's the odd dust up here and there but if they are anything like what was reported above at that ratio then there's is something wrong in Armagh
Well maybe 90% is abit exaggerated and a lot were more pushing and shoving than melees lol but it's that age where a lot of lads maybe try and act the hard fella abit more. Just my experience.
Under 16 was the age group (from refereeing) was the most difficult, you really needed to apply a different set of tolerances to fouls, they take it very personal at that age
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2022, 09:48:57 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 25, 2022, 09:27:04 AM
Typical Donegal, both should be thrown out and banned for life. Only 5 points scored in 59 minutes? Disgraceful.
On a serious note, hope the lad is ok. U21's can be a funny age. Melees would have been the standard for 90% of games I ever watched or played in at that age level.
So in 10 games you've watched or played in at that level there was 9 melee's? Christ that's wild, there's the odd dust up here and there but if they are anything like what was reported above at that ratio then there's is something wrong in Armagh
We save getting into Melee's till we're on the National Stage, no point scraping in the likes of Clonmore or Dorsey with no TV cameras.
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Quote from: Armagh18 on November 25, 2022, 09:51:56 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2022, 09:48:57 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 25, 2022, 09:27:04 AM
Typical Donegal, both should be thrown out and banned for life. Only 5 points scored in 59 minutes? Disgraceful.
On a serious note, hope the lad is ok. U21's can be a funny age. Melees would have been the standard for 90% of games I ever watched or played in at that age level.
So in 10 games you've watched or played in at that level there was 9 melee's? Christ that's wild, there's the odd dust up here and there but if they are anything like what was reported above at that ratio then there's is something wrong in Armagh
Well maybe 90% is abit exaggerated and a lot were more pushing and shoving than melees lol but it's that age where a lot of lads maybe try and act the hard fella abit more. Just my experience.
Under 16 was the age group (from refereeing) was the most difficult, you really needed to apply a different set of tolerances to fouls, they take it very personal at that age
Interesting. I took an U15 team for the first time this year and I noticed this exact thing. So much pride to get bruised!
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2022, 11:39:51 AM
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2022, 09:48:57 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 25, 2022, 09:27:04 AM
Typical Donegal, both should be thrown out and banned for life. Only 5 points scored in 59 minutes? Disgraceful.
On a serious note, hope the lad is ok. U21's can be a funny age. Melees would have been the standard for 90% of games I ever watched or played in at that age level.
So in 10 games you've watched or played in at that level there was 9 melee's? Christ that's wild, there's the odd dust up here and there but if they are anything like what was reported above at that ratio then there's is something wrong in Armagh
Well maybe 90% is abit exaggerated and a lot were more pushing and shoving than melees lol but it's that age where a lot of lads maybe try and act the hard fella abit more. Just my experience.
Under 16 was the age group (from refereeing) was the most difficult, you really needed to apply a different set of tolerances to fouls, they take it very personal at that age
Interesting. I took an U15 team for the first time this year and I noticed this exact thing. So much pride to get bruised!
Saw plenty of U15 games in Armagh last year. Mostly i thought the refs allowed kids with the ball to be battered too often with not enough done to curtail closed fist tackles. Reactions from the victims were plentiful.
Quote from: lurganblue on November 25, 2022, 03:25:57 PM
Quote from: StephenC on November 25, 2022, 02:04:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2022, 11:39:51 AM
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2022, 09:48:57 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 25, 2022, 09:27:04 AM
Typical Donegal, both should be thrown out and banned for life. Only 5 points scored in 59 minutes? Disgraceful.
On a serious note, hope the lad is ok. U21's can be a funny age. Melees would have been the standard for 90% of games I ever watched or played in at that age level.
So in 10 games you've watched or played in at that level there was 9 melee's? Christ that's wild, there's the odd dust up here and there but if they are anything like what was reported above at that ratio then there's is something wrong in Armagh
Well maybe 90% is abit exaggerated and a lot were more pushing and shoving than melees lol but it's that age where a lot of lads maybe try and act the hard fella abit more. Just my experience.
Under 16 was the age group (from refereeing) was the most difficult, you really needed to apply a different set of tolerances to fouls, they take it very personal at that age
Interesting. I took an U15 team for the first time this year and I noticed this exact thing. So much pride to get bruised!
Saw plenty of U15 games in Armagh last year. Mostly i thought the refs allowed kids with the ball to be battered too often with not enough done to curtail closed fist tackles. Reactions from the victims were plentiful.
You's soft townies up there! ;)
Yeah to be honest the standard of refereeing in Armagh is very poor.
Quote from: lurganblue on November 25, 2022, 03:25:57 PM
Quote from: StephenC on November 25, 2022, 02:04:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2022, 11:39:51 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 25, 2022, 09:51:56 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2022, 09:48:57 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 25, 2022, 09:27:04 AM
Typical Donegal, both should be thrown out and banned for life. Only 5 points scored in 59 minutes? Disgraceful.
On a serious note, hope the lad is ok. U21's can be a funny age. Melees would have been the standard for 90% of games I ever watched or played in at that age level.
So in 10 games you've watched or played in at that level there was 9 melee's? Christ that's wild, there's the odd dust up here and there but if they are anything like what was reported above at that ratio then there's is something wrong in Armagh
Well maybe 90% is abit exaggerated and a lot were more pushing and shoving than melees lol but it's that age where a lot of lads maybe try and act the hard fella abit more. Just my experience.
Under 16 was the age group (from refereeing) was the most difficult, you really needed to apply a different set of tolerances to fouls, they take it very personal at that age
Interesting. I took an U15 team for the first time this year and I noticed this exact thing. So much pride to get bruised!
Saw plenty of U15 games in Armagh last year. Mostly i thought the refs allowed kids with the ball to be battered too often with not enough done to curtail closed fist tackles. Reactions from the victims were plentiful.
D Championship semifinal ... about 5 minutes in, the ref loudly shouts ... "as lads it's only U15's, it doesn't really matter" ;D ;D.
Talk about a red rag to a bull.
Quote from: StephenC on November 25, 2022, 10:55:50 PM
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2022, 09:48:57 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 25, 2022, 09:27:04 AM
Typical Donegal, both should be thrown out and banned for life. Only 5 points scored in 59 minutes? Disgraceful.
On a serious note, hope the lad is ok. U21's can be a funny age. Melees would have been the standard for 90% of games I ever watched or played in at that age level.
So in 10 games you've watched or played in at that level there was 9 melee's? Christ that's wild, there's the odd dust up here and there but if they are anything like what was reported above at that ratio then there's is something wrong in Armagh
Well maybe 90% is abit exaggerated and a lot were more pushing and shoving than melees lol but it's that age where a lot of lads maybe try and act the hard fella abit more. Just my experience.
Under 16 was the age group (from refereeing) was the most difficult, you really needed to apply a different set of tolerances to fouls, they take it very personal at that age
Interesting. I took an U15 team for the first time this year and I noticed this exact thing. So much pride to get bruised!
Saw plenty of U15 games in Armagh last year. Mostly i thought the refs allowed kids with the ball to be battered too often with not enough done to curtail closed fist tackles. Reactions from the victims were plentiful.
D Championship semifinal ... about 5 minutes in, the ref loudly shouts ... "as lads it's only U15's, it doesn't really matter" ;D ;D.
Talk about a red rag to a bull.
Proper school boy error.... You really have to ref it differently, no defensive advantage, blow nearly all contact, note loads of players early on, yellow card any ganching. Making sure the right ref is doing the 'difficult' games the coordinator needs to know if there is any history and if the games could be close..
And control the sidelines, managers especially at juvenile level are bat shit crazy at times, whipping lads up into a frenzy it's nearly impossible to then control the game
Two weeks later. What has been done?
https://www.balls.ie/gaa/cahir-gaa-media-534817?utm_content=buffer2f73b&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer&fbclid=IwAR38eZsg-YG05QR_m0bC4IyjxUgD66yQyyJRciSQK6qfML5ea6LvmbEK6f4
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2022/1129/1339055-gaa-to-discuss-increasing-max-bans-to-over-four-years/ (https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2022/1129/1339055-gaa-to-discuss-increasing-max-bans-to-over-four-years/)
Be good to see some of these proposals implemented as well as doubling of bans for frivolous appeals.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 30, 2022, 12:38:56 PM
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Confusing statement, so was there racial abuse thrown at Cahir club players or were they saying that "A group of our players are targeted due to their ethnicity."
Reading that it seems that the other team was having a fight among themselves and Cahir had none of their ones involved at all
"No Cahir player, sub, mentor or supporter protested or entered the field of play after Tom received his red card. The red card was warranted and is not being appealed.
"We do not condone any form of inappropriate physical, verbal or abusive behaviour on or off the field from any of our club members. Tom left the field of play and the mentors ensured he remained off the field and that no other Cahir player became involved after the incident."
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Quote from: Armagh18 on November 30, 2022, 12:38:56 PM
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Confusing statement, so was there racial abuse thrown at Cahir club players or were they saying that "A group of our players are targeted due to their ethnicity."
Reading that it seems that the other team was having a fight among themselves and Cahir had none of their ones involved at all
"No Cahir player, sub, mentor or supporter protested or entered the field of play after Tom received his red card. The red card was warranted and is not being appealed.
"We do not condone any form of inappropriate physical, verbal or abusive behaviour on or off the field from any of our club members. Tom left the field of play and the mentors ensured he remained off the field and that no other Cahir player became involved after the incident."
I'm assuming they're saying that the melee involved only the players on field.
As for naming a juvenile in the media for their involvement, that is wrong and those doing so really should know better.
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Quote from: Armagh18 on November 30, 2022, 12:38:56 PM
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Confusing statement, so was there racial abuse thrown at Cahir club players or were they saying that "A group of our players are targeted due to their ethnicity."
Reading that it seems that the other team was having a fight among themselves and Cahir had none of their ones involved at all
"No Cahir player, sub, mentor or supporter protested or entered the field of play after Tom received his red card. The red card was warranted and is not being appealed.
"We do not condone any form of inappropriate physical, verbal or abusive behaviour on or off the field from any of our club members. Tom left the field of play and the mentors ensured he remained off the field and that no other Cahir player became involved after the incident."
I'm assuming they're saying that the melee involved only the players on field.
As for naming a juvenile in the media for their involvement, that is wrong and those doing so really should know better.
It said no other Cahir player became involved, the 15 was plenty :D
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport-columnists-gaa/arid-41022305.html
Quote from: Rossfan on December 06, 2022, 10:49:14 AM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport-columnists-gaa/arid-41022305.html
The problem isn't having lesser bans and now increasing them isn't going to stop it, as its a in the moment thing, someone who's a header isn't thinking about how long he's going to be out for..
Its seems to be more of a cultural thing now, the comments you read in social media when topics like this go up will give you some insight to the dafties we have in our games/clubs/parishes
Responsibility and fines should be given to the person that's getting pulled, not just bans, fine them and if they don't pay it the club pays it, the club won't be too long getting rid of these hallions at their grounds/clubs/sidelines
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 06, 2022, 11:03:12 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 06, 2022, 10:49:14 AM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport-columnists-gaa/arid-41022305.html
The problem isn't having lesser bans and now increasing them isn't going to stop it, as its a in the moment thing, someone who's a header isn't thinking about how long he's going to be out for..
Its seems to be more of a cultural thing now, the comments you read in social media when topics like this go up will give you some insight to the dafties we have in our games/clubs/parishes
Responsibility and fines should be given to the person that's getting pulled, not just bans, fine them and if they don't pay it the club pays it, the club won't be too long getting rid of these hallions at their grounds/clubs/sidelines
Bans used to be longer, I know a couple of our club members got 5 year bans for assaulting a referee in the late 70s.
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/wexford-gaa-disappointed-as-central-council-refuse-to-back-countys-idea-of-building-culture-of-discipline-42201025.html
Seems like exactly the sort of project that the GAA should have got behind.
Quote from: twohands!!! on December 07, 2022, 10:41:58 AM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/wexford-gaa-disappointed-as-central-council-refuse-to-back-countys-idea-of-building-culture-of-discipline-42201025.html
Seems like exactly the sort of project that the GAA should have got behind.
Just like i put up in an earlier post, this is a cultural thing and needs to be dealt with at source
Monkey see's monkey does, if one header starts shouting then so does the next
https://www.donegaldaily.com/2023/02/07/man-whose-scrotum-was-ripped-in-gaa-game-to-address-court-3/
Quote from: Rudi on February 07, 2023, 09:35:45 PM
https://www.donegaldaily.com/2023/02/07/man-whose-scrotum-was-ripped-in-gaa-game-to-address-court-3/
All 'part and parcel of the game' seemingly
Players receives suspended sentence
https://www.rte.ie/news/ulster/2023/0313/1361995-gaa-footballer-court/
How did it occur? I know he grabbed his sac but were they fighting?
https://twitter.com/altinferizaj7/status/1655618082184871937?s=48&t=M-EGdU8vr-bNuKyNUg6tmQ
Anyone got more details on this?
The team in red/ white showed remarkable constraint. The green team looks like scumbags. The fella who kicked like a big girls blouse, should be put in a dark hole for a week.
Was at 2 clubs games over the weekend, nothing but agro. I think people have got angrier since Covid.
That tall number nine looks wired to the moon.
The mentor of that green team who threatened the other mentor with his hurl has a lot to answer for. If he behaves like that little wonder his players do. (Though I did laugh at the wee boy taking the big number 9 down by the legs at the end).
Jesus wouldntake serious self control not to belt that number 9. Half wit.
Quote from: Rudi on May 08, 2023, 09:18:07 PM
The team in red/ white showed remarkable constraint. The green team looks like scumbags. The fella who kicked like a big girls blouse, should be put in a dark hole for a week.
Was at 2 clubs games over the weekend, nothing but agro. I think people have got angrier since Covid.
I'm thinking the same. The game is getting nastier rather than harder.
It could be time to bring back the 1 month association-wide suspension for a red card. It won't stop psychos being psychos, but it might help convince the next tier down (in terms of anger) not to behave like a psycho.
could it be down to the epidemic of cocaine
I think it's just the continuing rise of social media.
Quote from: Eire90 on May 08, 2023, 09:57:46 PM
could it be down to the epidemic of cocaine
Personality change is a symptom of long covid but you're right it could well be the Coke doing it too.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on May 08, 2023, 10:09:27 PM
Really??
I remember plenty of batin matches in club football & hurling from I was a child.
It hasn't got worse. It's just you get to see the ones outside your own club now.
Covid & cocaine ffs.
Yeah probably always been a thing. Not that it excuses that sortnof shit, but 20 years ago you wouldnt have people videoing it and sharing on social media.
So coke is making people fight in games? Holy f**k!!! I give up
Can cocaine be blamed for u14 players?
Is it too big a stretch to say some cannabis at ht might alleviate some of this?
There was a scuffle at an underage match in Mayo last year where a player was assaulted by a mentor of the opposing team
The team of the assaulted player were fined for recording an underage game without pre approval from the County Board
Also who's to say it is a personality change in this instance.
This kind of shift, unfortunately, has been happening for years but if you're a mentor you want to be doing all you can to nip that behaviour in the bud and not be encouraging it. If you're encouraging it or threatening boys with hurls you probably shouldn't be allowed to be a mentor.
Camera phones are the reason for the rise in knowledge of these incidents. They've always been happening, and in my experience they were a lot worse than they are now. I've been to lot of games in recent years as mentor or supporter I've actually seen a reduction in the level of fights and in fact the ferocity of them. It's only my experience but some of the shit I saw/was involved in over the years puts things in the ha'penny place.....thankfully!
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 09, 2023, 09:02:21 AM
Camera phones are the reason for the rise in knowledge of these incidents. They've always been happening, and in my experience they were a lot worse than they are now. I've been to lot of games in recent years as mentor or supporter I've actually seen a reduction in the level of fights and in fact the ferocity of them. It's only my experience but some of the shit I saw/was involved in over the years puts things in the ha'penny place.....thankfully!
Yeah agreed, seen a lot bigger scale years ago I think now a lot of people have it in the back of their head that one punch can kill and most will go in with a shove rather than firing a punch to be honest. Would say though that especially at senior level with the amount of s&c that is done these days players are far stronger so if a punch is thrown there is more potential for it to be deadly now.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 08, 2023, 10:36:58 PM
Is it too big a stretch to say some cannabis at ht might alleviate some of this?
Yes. They'd all be hugging it out mannnn!
Before they get paranoid and think the ref is against them!
In this case no 9 seems to be the only one after a row.
Even his own players were pushing him away.
Only a matter of time until someone is killed. One punch fatality. Then the GAA will actually do something about it. Still loads of people think that fighting is part of the game and it is unmanly if you don't fight back.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on May 09, 2023, 09:30:57 AM
Before they get paranoid and think the ref is against them!
In this case no 9 seems to be the only one after a row.
Even his own players were pushing him away.
His mentor wasn't though.
Trailer I don't know what happens then though. I know this has happened maybe twice in Belfast soccer leagues. I think in one case the league shuts down but then what do they do.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 09, 2023, 10:24:16 AM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on May 09, 2023, 09:30:57 AM
Before they get paranoid and think the ref is against them!
In this case no 9 seems to be the only one after a row.
Even his own players were pushing him away.
His mentor wasn't though.
Trailer I don't know what happens then though. I know this has happened maybe twice in Belfast soccer leagues. I think in one case the league shuts down but then what do they do.
I think they need to just say striking now carries an automatic 6 month ban. Rugby have taken a no nonsense approach to head contact. Players and Coaches adapt. Rugby know what is coming down the line albeit it's more dementia and brain injuries. Have to get serious about it. Of course it has always happened and the issue is very small, how many games took place over the weekend? 100s if not 1000s, how many had fights? Very few I'd say. However just think that a handlin is on the horizon if it is not stamped out.
I'm not sure any of you lads coach or are involved with underage teams but if the referee puts in their report that a mentor or supporter lays a hand on an underage player it will be treated as assault.
If that much is true then I'd expect the respective authority to be informed, i.e. peelers.
"Following a directive from the GAA National Children's Safeguarding Office last year all incidents where a mentor or supporter grabs an opposing team player will be treated as an assault and will be reported to the National Children's Officer"
Rightly so.
Yeah interesting enough ideas there trailer.
it probably like people say isn't any worse but it needs stamped out. It's definitely a stick the GAA gets beat with is videos of these brawls.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 09, 2023, 10:24:16 AM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on May 09, 2023, 09:30:57 AM
Before they get paranoid and think the ref is against them!
In this case no 9 seems to be the only one after a row.
Even his own players were pushing him away.
His mentor wasn't though.
Trailer I don't know what happens then though. I know this has happened maybe twice in Belfast soccer leagues. I think in one case the league shuts down but then what do they do.
Actually one of these assaults was a firmed of mine from university. He was a goalkeeper in the local soccer leagues and there was a bit of jostling with a fella in the box after he caught a ball. The lad threw a few punches. That was that. Lad who did it was convicted of manslaughter. It could happen in any game at any time. This is 23 years ago.
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/KILLER+FOOTBALLER%2C+19+AVOIDS+PRISON+TERM%3B+He+punched+rival+goalkeeper.-a097683798
Remember that and one other one - very sad :(
I always thought that the like of Gaelic is more predisposed to fighting because generally, you have 15 people with direct opponents, constantly jostling, pushing, mouthing at each other for a solid hour.
The tackle probably makes this worse, as its far to easy to put a hand in where it doesn't belong, close fist tackle etc and as games wear on, these things get slowly worse/sloppier.
I'm sure anyone here playing has been involved in pushing and shoving matches at some point, and its not hard to imagine how easy things can escalate on from there if you let them.
Quote from: johnnycool on May 09, 2023, 10:42:22 AM
I'm not sure any of you lads coach or are involved with underage teams but if the referee puts in their report that a mentor or supporter lays a hand on an underage player it will be treated as assault.
If that much is true then I'd expect the respective authority to be informed, i.e. peelers.
"Following a directive from the GAA National Children's Safeguarding Office last year all incidents where a mentor or supporter grabs an opposing team player will be treated as an assault and will be reported to the National Children's Officer"
What would then trying to seperate them or physically trying to break up a fight?
Would that be construde as an assault?
Quote from: marty34 on May 09, 2023, 04:15:44 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 09, 2023, 10:42:22 AM
I'm not sure any of you lads coach or are involved with underage teams but if the referee puts in their report that a mentor or supporter lays a hand on an underage player it will be treated as assault.
If that much is true then I'd expect the respective authority to be informed, i.e. peelers.
"Following a directive from the GAA National Children's Safeguarding Office last year all incidents where a mentor or supporter grabs an opposing team player will be treated as an assault and will be reported to the National Children's Officer"
What would then trying to seperate them or physically trying to break up a fight?
Would that be construde as an assault?
I wouldn't take the chance
Quote from: marty34 on May 09, 2023, 04:15:44 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 09, 2023, 10:42:22 AM
I'm not sure any of you lads coach or are involved with underage teams but if the referee puts in their report that a mentor or supporter lays a hand on an underage player it will be treated as assault.
If that much is true then I'd expect the respective authority to be informed, i.e. peelers.
"Following a directive from the GAA National Children's Safeguarding Office last year all incidents where a mentor or supporter grabs an opposing team player will be treated as an assault and will be reported to the National Children's Officer"
What would then trying to seperate them or physically trying to break up a fight?
Would that be construde as an assault?
You'd imagine common sense would prevail ffs.
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 09, 2023, 04:18:45 PM
Quote from: marty34 on May 09, 2023, 04:15:44 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 09, 2023, 10:42:22 AM
I'm not sure any of you lads coach or are involved with underage teams but if the referee puts in their report that a mentor or supporter lays a hand on an underage player it will be treated as assault.
If that much is true then I'd expect the respective authority to be informed, i.e. peelers.
"Following a directive from the GAA National Children's Safeguarding Office last year all incidents where a mentor or supporter grabs an opposing team player will be treated as an assault and will be reported to the National Children's Officer"
What would then trying to seperate them or physically trying to break up a fight?
Would that be construde as an assault?
I wouldn't take the chance
You have to at times. In the instance of this video that kid could have taken an awful beating. The mentor had to step in.
One man's "rushing into separate them" could be seen as the 3rd man in and an escalation.
Lad trying to hammer someone half this size, think up my direction that game never been finished. Should get 2yrs on the kick alone, then looking to box the other manager knowing he be bollixed if he got a clip from him. As for the father with the hurl, some man to be over any team. I throw the book at them.
Quote from: LeoMc on May 09, 2023, 04:42:06 PM
One man's "rushing into separate them" could be seen as the 3rd man in and an escalation.
Kids though. First priority should be to protect them.
That mentor should be looking at a few years ban - tbh he shouldn't be allowed near a team again - and so should the number 9.
That same club and possibly that same team were involved in a serious incident at a tournament further up the country last summer
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 09, 2023, 04:28:31 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 09, 2023, 04:18:45 PM
Quote from: marty34 on May 09, 2023, 04:15:44 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 09, 2023, 10:42:22 AM
I'm not sure any of you lads coach or are involved with underage teams but if the referee puts in their report that a mentor or supporter lays a hand on an underage player it will be treated as assault.
If that much is true then I'd expect the respective authority to be informed, i.e. peelers.
"Following a directive from the GAA National Children's Safeguarding Office last year all incidents where a mentor or supporter grabs an opposing team player will be treated as an assault and will be reported to the National Children's Officer"
What would then trying to seperate them or physically trying to break up a fight?
Would that be construde as an assault?
I wouldn't take the chance
You have to at times. In the instance of this video that kid could have taken an awful beating. The mentor had to step in.
I know. It's a tricky one. You could be calming the situation down but another coach could say you were pushing/assualting an opposition player and the whole thing could kick off.
Would take very little to light the fuse.
Quote from: marty34 on May 09, 2023, 06:12:07 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 09, 2023, 04:28:31 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 09, 2023, 04:18:45 PM
Quote from: marty34 on May 09, 2023, 04:15:44 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 09, 2023, 10:42:22 AM
I'm not sure any of you lads coach or are involved with underage teams but if the referee puts in their report that a mentor or supporter lays a hand on an underage player it will be treated as assault.
If that much is true then I'd expect the respective authority to be informed, i.e. peelers.
"Following a directive from the GAA National Children's Safeguarding Office last year all incidents where a mentor or supporter grabs an opposing team player will be treated as an assault and will be reported to the National Children's Officer"
What would then trying to seperate them or physically trying to break up a fight?
Would that be construde as an assault?
I wouldn't take the chance
You have to at times. In the instance of this video that kid could have taken an awful beating. The mentor had to step in.
I know. It's a tricky one. You could be calming the situation down but another coach could say you were pushing/assualting an opposition player and the whole thing could kick off.
Would take very little to light the fuse.
Think you have to make sure that your player is safe first and foremost if it looks like he might take a beating. If an opposition mentor wants to make an issue out of it then worry about that if it comes to it, but child's safety has to come first.
As you say, can very easily escalate.
Quote from: whitey on May 08, 2023, 10:37:48 PM
There was a scuffle at an underage match in Mayo last year where a player was assaulted by a mentor of the opposing team
The team of the assaulted player were fined for recording an underage game without pre approval from the County Board
Get the f*** out of here?? ;D
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 09, 2023, 06:31:45 PM
Quote from: marty34 on May 09, 2023, 06:12:07 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 09, 2023, 04:28:31 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 09, 2023, 04:18:45 PM
Quote from: marty34 on May 09, 2023, 04:15:44 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 09, 2023, 10:42:22 AM
I'm not sure any of you lads coach or are involved with underage teams but if the referee puts in their report that a mentor or supporter lays a hand on an underage player it will be treated as assault.
If that much is true then I'd expect the respective authority to be informed, i.e. peelers.
"Following a directive from the GAA National Children's Safeguarding Office last year all incidents where a mentor or supporter grabs an opposing team player will be treated as an assault and will be reported to the National Children's Officer"
What would then trying to seperate them or physically trying to break up a fight?
Would that be construde as an assault?
I wouldn't take the chance
You have to at times. In the instance of this video that kid could have taken an awful beating. The mentor had to step in.
I know. It's a tricky one. You could be calming the situation down but another coach could say you were pushing/assualting an opposition player and the whole thing could kick off.
Would take very little to light the fuse.
Think you have to make sure that your player is safe first and foremost if it looks like he might take a beating. If an opposition mentor wants to make an issue out of it then worry about that if it comes to it, but child's safety has to come first.
As you say, can very easily escalate.
You have to step in tbh. I was involved the other way round where our own player was the aggressor and I dragged him out of it as he'd decked another poor wee unsuspecting under 12 who'd done nothing to deserve it and was getting battered. You can't stand and watch a kid getting battered.
I have been involved in underage teams the last few years and what kids that age and younger find it hard to adapt to is physical contact.
We continually tell them you are going to get shouldered, pushed etc but you don't lift your hands. I have seen training sessions where some kids want to hand out the digs just because they get fairly tackled
Yeah very much this.
Quote from: Saffrongael on May 09, 2023, 08:04:27 PM
I have been involved in underage teams the last few years and what kids that age and younger find it hard to adapt to is physical contact.
We continually tell them you are going to get shouldered, pushed etc but you don't lift your hands. I have seen training sessions where some kids want to hand out the digs just because they get fairly tackled
Under age games should be tighter ref'd for starters, that meet 16/18 age group is full of 'spunk' and take things very personal
Quote from: J70 on May 09, 2023, 06:38:00 PM
Quote from: whitey on May 08, 2023, 10:37:48 PM
There was a scuffle at an underage match in Mayo last year where a player was assaulted by a mentor of the opposing team
The team of the assaulted player were fined for recording an underage game without pre approval from the County Board
Get the f*** out of here?? ;D
100% happened
They produced video evidence of the assault and were fined for videoing without permission
Quote from: whitey on May 09, 2023, 09:07:28 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 09, 2023, 06:38:00 PM
Quote from: whitey on May 08, 2023, 10:37:48 PM
There was a scuffle at an underage match in Mayo last year where a player was assaulted by a mentor of the opposing team
The team of the assaulted player were fined for recording an underage game without pre approval from the County Board
Get the f*** out of here?? ;D
100% happened
I'd well believe it and tbh no complaints, rules like that are there for obvious child protection reasons.
Although please tell me the mentor who assaulted the player got punished also?
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 09, 2023, 09:09:45 PM
Quote from: whitey on May 09, 2023, 09:07:28 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 09, 2023, 06:38:00 PM
Quote from: whitey on May 08, 2023, 10:37:48 PM
There was a scuffle at an underage match in Mayo last year where a player was assaulted by a mentor of the opposing team
The team of the assaulted player were fined for recording an underage game without pre approval from the County Board
Get the f*** out of here?? ;D
100% happened
I'd well believe it and tbh no complaints, rules like that are there for obvious child protection reasons.
Although please tell me the mentor who assaulted the player got punished also?
Yes-he got a 96 week ban which was the reduced to two weeks on an appeal
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2022/10/19/castlebar-mitchels-call-for-suspension-of-mayo-u17-championship-after-adult-confronted-player-on-pitch/
Here with phones these days anybody can film at a match, as usual the Gaa rules are yrs outta date. How he get it reduced to 2weeks.With the county board attitude there, the thing should been taken to the garda.
What is the actual ruling on recording games? Do both teams at juvenile level have to agree? Is that the same at senior?
I think it's the same at senior and junior. I know I have seen it before that streams were advertised and then cancelled because opposition wouldn't agree.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 09, 2023, 10:43:35 PM
I think it's the same at senior and junior. I know I have seen it before that streams were advertised and then cancelled because opposition wouldn't agree.
No one has ever asked me for permission. Plenty telling me to watch it later ;D
I used to do camera for a Junior team for a no. Of games, so management could review it bck. Never botherdd to ask permissions of the other team. Do they ask the all the parents for filming county U-17? Don't think it.
What if it's being played at a public venue?
Less likely in rural areas, but do they play GAA in the Phoenix Park or St Anne's or Marley Parks in Dublin, for example?
I played tonnes of soccer back in the day all over Dublin on council pitches. Can't see any legal issues with someone filming there.
Filming is not an issue but rewatching it's is. That's why permission should be sought, particularly within underage. It's obeyed on the breach all the time but permission should be sought.
I hadn't thought about this until now, but the person who videoed that and shared it on social media could be in hot water. Certainly if one of the families pushes it with the Garda. There is a safeguarding issue here. The young fella doing the vast majority of the fighting will have had a rough few days because this has been shared widely.
Quote from: trailer on May 10, 2023, 09:44:33 AM
I hadn't thought about this until now, but the person who videoed that and shared it on social media could be in hot water. Certainly if one of the families pushes it with the Garda. There is a safeguarding issue here. The young fella doing the vast majority of the fighting will have had a rough few days because this has been shared widely.
I'm sure someone will line up some counselling and anger management classes for him.
Quote from: trailer on May 10, 2023, 09:44:33 AM
I hadn't thought about this until now, but the person who videoed that and shared it on social media could be in hot water. Certainly if one of the families pushes it with the Garda. There is a safeguarding issue here. The young fella doing the vast majority of the fighting will have had a rough few days because this has been shared widely.
Deservedly so for going on like a total little scrote.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 10, 2023, 11:27:15 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 10, 2023, 09:44:33 AM
I hadn't thought about this until now, but the person who videoed that and shared it on social media could be in hot water. Certainly if one of the families pushes it with the Garda. There is a safeguarding issue here. The young fella doing the vast majority of the fighting will have had a rough few days because this has been shared widely.
Deservedly so for going on like a total little scrote.
I'm not hear to defend him. We don't know the full picture of what went on before or after. We only have this snippet. We've all made mistakes. Some big, some small. He's still only a young fella. I wouldn't like it if it was my son being shared all over the internet for people to comment on.
Don't have to see what happened before, there's enough to go on, on his behaviour in the video. You might not like it, but it's he at fault not the phone operator. Am sure his father wouldn't want it up himself given his action. Nearly as bad as tge Wicklow one last year. I think people like to pretend this shit did'nt happen.
https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2023/0512/1383345-gaa-mentor-jailed-over-assaulting-referee-in-wexford/
Quote from: Rossfan on May 12, 2023, 11:46:55 PM
https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2023/0512/1383345-gaa-mentor-jailed-over-assaulting-referee-in-wexford/
Jaysus.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 12, 2023, 11:46:55 PM
https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2023/0512/1383345-gaa-mentor-jailed-over-assaulting-referee-in-wexford/
Lesson hard learned. Won't do it again
As an association, we need what happened here to become common knowledge.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 12, 2023, 11:46:55 PM
https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2023/0512/1383345-gaa-mentor-jailed-over-assaulting-referee-in-wexford/
A lesson for everyone
Quote from: JoG2 on May 13, 2023, 12:06:56 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 12, 2023, 11:46:55 PM
https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2023/0512/1383345-gaa-mentor-jailed-over-assaulting-referee-in-wexford/
Lesson hard learned. Won't do it again
' It is the first time a person has been jailed for attacking a referee at a GAA match '
In fairness thats the quote i find hard to believe.
Hopefully he won't be the last to be punished like this for that kind of conduct.
But sure who in the North will call the peelers when they get attacked?
I'll be doing it, just in case someone is reading this ;D
Quote from: J70 on May 13, 2023, 01:36:38 PM
Hopefully he won't be the last to be punished like this for that kind of conduct.
Hopefully he is, in that hopefully this sends a strong enough message to make people wise the f**k up....unless MR2 is refereeing then all bets are off ;D
https://twitter.com/CapitalP2j/status/1659240097634549760?s=19
No surprises there. Kilcoo. Very, very aggressive and nasty behaviour. What is driving this?
Quote from: Wolfetones on May 19, 2023, 12:06:42 AM
https://twitter.com/CapitalP2j/status/1659240097634549760?s=19
seen that, lad lost couple of teeth i think. Jesus whatever about hitting someone a box in a scuffle or something but a box in the mouth out of the blue to someone not expecting it is scummy. Your man looks like he'd snap that skinny rat in 2 no bother as well ffs.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 19, 2023, 08:58:48 AM
Quote from: Wolfetones on May 19, 2023, 12:06:42 AM
https://twitter.com/CapitalP2j/status/1659240097634549760?s=19
seen that, lad lost couple of teeth i think. Jesus whatever about hitting someone a box in a scuffle or something but a box in the mouth out of the blue to someone not expecting it is scummy. Your man looks like he'd snap that skinny rat in 2 no bother as well ffs.
You'd think that but those lads are teak tough, having a gym body verses someone who works on a farm in the mournes is different gravy.
Hopefully this lad gets an extended ban because the normal ban is just 1 game!
does this ever happen in hurling because of the helmets
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 19, 2023, 09:18:38 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 19, 2023, 08:58:48 AM
Quote from: Wolfetones on May 19, 2023, 12:06:42 AM
https://twitter.com/CapitalP2j/status/1659240097634549760?s=19
seen that, lad lost couple of teeth i think. Jesus whatever about hitting someone a box in a scuffle or something but a box in the mouth out of the blue to someone not expecting it is scummy. Your man looks like he'd snap that skinny rat in 2 no bother as well ffs.
You'd think that but those lads are teak tough, having a gym body verses someone who works on a farm in the mournes is different gravy.
Hopefully this lad gets an extended ban because the normal ban is just 1 game!
True. If that fella in Wexford got time for hitting the ref, is this really any different if charges were pressed?
Quote from: Eire90 on May 19, 2023, 09:28:38 AM
does this ever happen in hurling because of the helmets
Plenty digs thrown in hurling but the days of losing teeth are long gone! Stitches on your lip above the eye below the eye on the head are long gone, too late for me though!
To be honest if Brannigan done that to me. He wouldn't be finishing the game, some lads have to learn the hard way.
Quote from: J70 on May 09, 2023, 11:14:16 PM
What if it's being played at a public venue?
Less likely in rural areas, but do they play GAA in the Phoenix Park or St Anne's or Marley Parks in Dublin, for example?
I played tonnes of soccer back in the day all over Dublin on council pitches. Can't see any legal issues with someone filming there.
Rock up to a playground, film the kids there and let us know how far the line 'it's in public' gets you.
You cannot video underage games without written permission from both teams. That shouldn't need explained in 2023
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 21, 2023, 12:11:34 PM
To be honest if Brannigan done that to me. He wouldn't be finishing the game, some lads have to learn the hard way.
That's if your were fit to catch him
Quote from: J70 on May 09, 2023, 11:14:16 PM
What if it's being played at a public venue?
Less likely in rural areas, but do they play GAA in the Phoenix Park or St Anne's or Marley Parks in Dublin, for example?
I played tonnes of soccer back in the day all over Dublin on council pitches. Can't see any legal issues with someone filming there.
If you want to film kids without permission get yourself a good solicitor.
Quote from: trailer on May 23, 2023, 12:07:19 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 09, 2023, 11:14:16 PM
What if it's being played at a public venue?
Less likely in rural areas, but do they play GAA in the Phoenix Park or St Anne's or Marley Parks in Dublin, for example?
I played tonnes of soccer back in the day all over Dublin on council pitches. Can't see any legal issues with someone filming there.
If you want to film kids without permission get yourself a good solicitor.
Astonishing it needs saying
https://www.donegaldaily.com/2023/06/14/gaa-probe-to-be-launched-after-serious-incident-at-club-match-4/
Quote from: Eire90 on June 15, 2023, 04:28:59 AM
https://www.donegaldaily.com/2023/06/14/gaa-probe-to-be-launched-after-serious-incident-at-club-match-4/
What an absolute tube. 2 year ban. Its the only thing that will stamp this out. The GAA needs to take measures like this if it wants to be seen as a serious sporting organisation.
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 15, 2023, 06:53:48 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on June 15, 2023, 04:28:59 AM
https://www.donegaldaily.com/2023/06/14/gaa-probe-to-be-launched-after-serious-incident-at-club-match-4/
What an absolute tube. 2 year ban. Its the only thing that will stamp this out. The GAA needs to take measures like this if it wants to be seen as a serious sporting organisation.
Correct. The GAA need to take this, along with players' disclipline, seriously. I think it's getting worse or highlighted more because of social media now.
Still, it's a serious blight on our games and needs dealt with properly.
These people seem to have severe anger issues or something
Quote from: Eire90 on June 15, 2023, 08:21:37 AM
These people seem to have severe anger issues or something
A lot of the time it seems to be sensible people - that's what worries me.
Quote from: marty34 on June 15, 2023, 07:26:47 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 15, 2023, 06:53:48 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on June 15, 2023, 04:28:59 AM
https://www.donegaldaily.com/2023/06/14/gaa-probe-to-be-launched-after-serious-incident-at-club-match-4/
What an absolute tube. 2 year ban. Its the only thing that will stamp this out. The GAA needs to take measures like this if it wants to be seen as a serious sporting organisation.
Correct. The GAA need to take this, along with players' disclipline, seriously. I think it's getting worse or highlighted more because of social media now.
Still, it's a serious blight on our games and needs dealt with properly.
.......When contacted for comment on yesterday evening, the Donegal PRO said they were not aware of the incident. However, a short-time later, the secretary of the CCC asked Donegal Daily if we had any evidence of the alleged incident.....
In other words we are not going to do anything unless there is a video doing the rounds and we are forced to!
Nothing is being done to lessen or prevent these things from happening, the extent to which some county boards try and cover up or lessen the nature of the incident, this hasn't changed in all my years of being involved in GAA games
Its passed from pillar to post with appeals and any bans handed out at the start are generally reduced to nothing
If anyone is assaulted in the street you'd have the police involved straight away, why is it any different on the pitch?
Start prosecuting people and you'll see a dramatic drop in incidents, for some reason a fractured skull or damaged eye socket is 'ok' or "part of the game"
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 15, 2023, 01:20:45 PM
Nothing is being done to lessen or prevent these things from happening, the extent to which some county boards try and cover up or lessen the nature of the incident, this hasn't changed in all my years of being involved in GAA games
Its passed from pillar to post with appeals and any bans handed out at the start are generally reduced to nothing
If anyone is assaulted in the street you'd have the police involved straight away, why is it any different on the pitch?
Start prosecuting people and you'll see a dramatic drop in incidents, for some reason a fractured skull or damaged eye socket is 'ok' or "part of the game"
Totally agree. Im watching clubs games over 30years, this shit is still going on. Society has changed, we need to embrace prosecutions for instances of complete thuggery
If Burns picks a topic like like during his term and sorts it that it dramatically cuts down on incidents like this and lads jumping wire to assault referees/players etc., then I'd be happy.
Include in that all the appeals and re-appeals and CCCC stuff also.
That's be a good legacy for him.
Down senior league (Div 3), St John's v Darragh Cross; ref was threatened, walked off at half-time. Amazing that anyone would want to become a ref, abuse on boards like this, spills over into on-field threats and actual physical assault.
Quote from: befair on June 28, 2023, 02:34:15 PM
Down senior league (Div 3), St John's v Darragh Cross; ref was threatened, walked off at half-time. Amazing that anyone would want to become a ref, abuse on boards like this, spills over into on-field threats and actual physical assault.
The player should be named and shamed across social media, let's turn the tables and see if plastering his name and what he said has any effect with others looking to knock the ref's bollocks in.
is there a shortage of refs at moment in some counties.
Quote from: Eire90 on June 28, 2023, 07:29:34 PM
is there a shortage of refs at moment in some counties.
I've regularly done two games on same day one after the other..
Scrambling weekly to games covered.
Same lads that give off to ref's or complain to them during games are complaining about games not being covered lol
Quote from: Eire90 on June 28, 2023, 07:29:34 PM
is there a shortage of refs at moment in some counties.
Surely a shortage in all counties, my county of Derry regularly draft in refs from neighbouring counties especially for Hurling
Ai and drones are the future of refereeing
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 28, 2023, 05:50:08 PM
Quote from: befair on June 28, 2023, 02:34:15 PM
Down senior league (Div 3), St John's v Darragh Cross; ref was threatened, walked off at half-time. Amazing that anyone would want to become a ref, abuse on boards like this, spills over into on-field threats and actual physical assault.
The player should be named and shamed across social media, let's turn the tables and see if plastering his name and what he said has any effect with others looking to knock the ref's bollocks in.
It was a manager
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 29, 2023, 10:04:47 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 28, 2023, 05:50:08 PM
Quote from: befair on June 28, 2023, 02:34:15 PM
Down senior league (Div 3), St John's v Darragh Cross; ref was threatened, walked off at half-time. Amazing that anyone would want to become a ref, abuse on boards like this, spills over into on-field threats and actual physical assault.
The player should be named and shamed across social media, let's turn the tables and see if plastering his name and what he said has any effect with others looking to knock the ref's bollocks in.
It was a manager
Lifetime ban. Its the only thing that will stamp this out. There are no shortage of managers. There is a shortage of referees.
There'll be a big one in the news tomorrow.
Someone stabbed the ref in the leg at a U16 match in Cookstown.... and it wasn't even a Cookstown man that done it!!!! ::)
WTF like
Quote from: WT4E on July 06, 2023, 09:36:17 PM
There'll be a big one in the news tomorrow.
Someone stabbed the ref in the leg at a U16 match in Cookstown.... and it wasn't even a Cookstown man that done it!!!! ::)
WTF like
Just saw the photos. Don't recognise him. Desperate situation altogether. Who'd be a referee now...
Quote from: WT4E on July 06, 2023, 09:36:17 PM
There'll be a big one in the news tomorrow.
Someone stabbed the ref in the leg at a U16 match in Cookstown.... and it wasn't even a Cookstown man that done it!!!! ::)
WTF like
Fs it'll be open season on Tyrone again.
Hope the ref will be ok.
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 06, 2023, 09:44:58 PM
Quote from: WT4E on July 06, 2023, 09:36:17 PM
There'll be a big one in the news tomorrow.
Someone stabbed the ref in the leg at a U16 match in Cookstown.... and it wasn't even a Cookstown man that done it!!!! ::)
WTF like
Just saw the photos. Don't recognise him. Desperate situation altogether. Who'd be a referee now...
Not sure if ref involved or not. Hearing a prominent Cookstown GAA man may have been the victim
Quote from: WT4E on July 06, 2023, 09:47:51 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 06, 2023, 09:44:58 PM
Quote from: WT4E on July 06, 2023, 09:36:17 PM
There'll be a big one in the news tomorrow.
Someone stabbed the ref in the leg at a U16 match in Cookstown.... and it wasn't even a Cookstown man that done it!!!! ::)
WTF like
Just saw the photos. Don't recognise him. Desperate situation altogether. Who'd be a referee now...
Not sure if ref involved or not. Hearing a prominent Cookstown GAA man may have been the victim
GAA have only themselves to blame. Shitty attitudes towards discipline and authority. Chickens coming home to roost.
Thoughts with all those affected.
Quote from: trailer on July 06, 2023, 09:52:29 PM
Quote from: WT4E on July 06, 2023, 09:47:51 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 06, 2023, 09:44:58 PM
Quote from: WT4E on July 06, 2023, 09:36:17 PM
There'll be a big one in the news tomorrow.
Someone stabbed the ref in the leg at a U16 match in Cookstown.... and it wasn't even a Cookstown man that done it!!!! ::)
WTF like
Just saw the photos. Don't recognise him. Desperate situation altogether. Who'd be a referee now...
Not sure if ref involved or not. Hearing a prominent Cookstown GAA man may have been the victim
GAA have only themselves to blame. Shitty attitudes towards discipline and authority. Chickens coming home to roost.
Thoughts with all those affected.
Agreed. I thought some of the stuff being shouted at the referee on Saturday was out of order. Some people can't see past the end of their nose for bias ffs.
See a quick video after it there, that's ridiculous at a U-16 game, Need a post for the WTF thread.Think the clown ended up stabbing a man protecting the ref.
Just saw who the ref was ... starting to understand!
* This is a joke *
Even the behaviour of some of the Fintona players was disgraceful right before it happened. Guldering in the face of the referee stopping him leaving the pitch. These are children like. The next generation.
Nothing will happen Fintona will circle the wagons... he wasn't a member... etc etc. not our fault. Tyrone GAA will put out some bullshit ban. They'll appeal and get off.
Next.
And we wonder why these issues keep coming up. Someone will eventually be killed.
Just received a WhatsApp about this. Mental. Hope the person is ok
Fintona should have the book thrown at them. It's not enough any more to punish the individual involved.
Quote from: trailer on July 06, 2023, 10:18:50 PM
Nothing will happen Fintona will circle the wagons... he wasn't a member... etc etc. not our fault. Tyrone GAA will put out some bullshit ban. They'll appeal and get off.
Next.
And we wonder why these issues keep coming up. Someone will eventually be killed.
It's only a matter of time.
Tried to stab him in ref in the neck I hear and was prevented by the well known Cookstown Member who go it in the leg and he also managed to get the ref in the arm.
Clear video of him goin round sitting on the ground saying something I dont understand
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on July 06, 2023, 09:42:47 PM
Jesus! Does Fionntamhnach still post here?
Make not be posting for a while....
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/police-attend-scene-of-alleged-stabbing-at-underage-gaa-match-in-co-tyrone/a669423143.html
QuotePolice attended the scene of an alleged stabbing at a Gaelic football match in Cookstown tonight (Thursday).
The alleged stabbing took place at the under 16s Championship semi-final match between Cookstown and Fintona.
Video footage captured by a spectator shows police officers at the scene.
A male can be seen in one clip being led away.
It was a former Ctown player and dad who got stabbed protecting the ref. Apparently a bad call for one of the ctown goals, and, Fintona all over him after the game. The GAA have left this crap go on too long, what happened the man who hit the ref down south?
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on July 06, 2023, 09:42:47 PM
Jesus! Does Fionntamhnach still post here?
All his posts seem to have been deleted
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=3644;area=showposts (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=3644;area=showposts)
The Cookstown man that was stabbed would have been a panellist for Tyrone when we won the Ulster Senior Championship in 2001.
Some sort of penknife or sthing on his car keys.
https://twitter.com/CahairOKane1/status/1677063661448224770?s=20
Been send a video after the game there with Fintona (presume that them in green as Ctown are alway Blue) surrounding the ref and not letting him off, some shit to be at. They should get heavily fined and forced to play a year away from home. I Know the ref, as he reffed in Derry a long time.
Quote from: trailer on July 06, 2023, 10:18:50 PM
Nothing will happen Fintona will circle the wagons... he wasn't a member... etc etc. not our fault. Tyrone GAA will put out some bullshit ban. They'll appeal and get off.
Next.
And we wonder why these issues keep coming up. Someone will eventually be killed.
It looks like this person could be well known in Tyrone GAA circles and not some random non member so I think the Fintona club are in a lot of trouble.
Inevitable due to the regular vilification of refs (on this forum also).
What county is he from? Those nice Tyrone ones who wouldn't say boo to a goose
From twitter:
Not condoning or excusing what happened at Cookstown tonight, but the person involved is apparently a vulnerable adult with special-needs.
People should consider this before commenting or jumping to conclusions about what happened.
This is shocking stuff, finally maybe the wake up call needed though.
You could see refs going on strike.
Take a hardline approach, say for 3 weeks. No games played in all counties at underage and senior level.
That would focus minds.
Quote from: Estimator on July 06, 2023, 11:05:03 PM
From twitter:
Not condoning or excusing what happened at Cookstown tonight, but the person involved is apparently a vulnerable adult with special-needs.
People should consider this before commenting or jumping to conclusions about what happened.
Anyone that shouts and abuses referees can be classed as someone with special needs, hope that clears that up
Not funny at all. Even if you are a referee (you wouldn't know by your posts on here ) ::) ;)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 06, 2023, 11:23:52 PM
Quote from: Estimator on July 06, 2023, 11:05:03 PM
From twitter:
Not condoning or excusing what happened at Cookstown tonight, but the person involved is apparently a vulnerable adult with special-needs.
People should consider this before commenting or jumping to conclusions about what happened.
Anyone that shouts and abuses referees can be classed as someone with special needs, hope that clears that up
Are you ok at the minute? Genuine question.
Quote from: Estimator on July 06, 2023, 11:05:03 PM
From twitter:
Not condoning or excusing what happened at Cookstown tonight, but the person involved is apparently a vulnerable adult with special-needs.
People should consider this before commenting or jumping to conclusions about what happened.
This is true and it would be totally out of character
I have not deleted anything by poster Fionntamhnach.
The poster did delete a lot of his posts in late Dec 2022 and the last activity of that username is logged as 27 Dec 2022 at approx 3:15pm.
If he a vulnerable adult, what's he running round with a penknife on car keys?
Would urge all to tread lightly and with any compassion that can be mustered. This thread could take a very rough turn but it's all relative and we are never in control of all the facts.
I've known him since we went to school together. A very smart man in his topics of interest, his posts were most informative. But he was socially and emotionally on the shorter side of the stick. Would have endured loneliness at best and bullies at worst as a teenager and young man. Having a family member in this kind of space myself - it's not quite vulnerable adult but it's also not fully fledged everything is going well type adulthood either. Unless you've lived it you never have a clue what these individuals endure in their formative years. It's heartbreaking.
It's a horrible event, I'll be glad to hear when the injured parties and scared children etc involved are improving. And I hope he gets the help and structure he needs.
Edit: I'd noticed his posts here and his social media presence had dissappeared last year and was worried. I really do hope he gets some help as all was clearly not well when that happened.
Quote from: Puckoon on July 07, 2023, 12:22:57 AM
Would urge all to tread lightly and with any compassion that can be mustered. This thread could take a very rough turn but it's all relative and we are never in control of all the facts.
I've known him since we went to school together. A very smart man in his topics of interest, his posts were most informative. But he was socially and emotionally on the shorter side of the stick. Would have endured loneliness at best and bullies at worst as a teenager and young man. Having a family member in this kind of space myself - it's not quite vulnerable adult but it's also not fully fledged everything is going well type adulthood either. Unless you've lived it you never have a clue what these individuals endure in their formative years. It's heartbreaking.
It's a horrible event, I'll be glad to hear when the injured parties and scared children etc involved are improving. And I hope he gets the help and structure he needs.
Edit: I'd noticed his posts here and his social media presence had dissappeared last year and was worried. I really do hope he gets some help as all was clearly not well when that happened.
Well said Puckoon, this was definitely not the man we both know. Life has not been easy for him and has lost some family members in the not too distant past, things were obviously not all well with him. My heart goes out to his family as I am sure they are very afraid for what lies ahead of him. His father would have been at the game and is as diehard a GAA man as you would ever find, he himself has not been physically well of late and after losing a daughter this is the last thing he would have needed. This is not a good situation
Quote from: PMG1 on July 07, 2023, 01:32:43 AM
Quote from: Puckoon on July 07, 2023, 12:22:57 AM
Would urge all to tread lightly and with any compassion that can be mustered. This thread could take a very rough turn but it's all relative and we are never in control of all the facts.
I've known him since we went to school together. A very smart man in his topics of interest, his posts were most informative. But he was socially and emotionally on the shorter side of the stick. Would have endured loneliness at best and bullies at worst as a teenager and young man. Having a family member in this kind of space myself - it's not quite vulnerable adult but it's also not fully fledged everything is going well type adulthood either. Unless you've lived it you never have a clue what these individuals endure in their formative years. It's heartbreaking.
It's a horrible event, I'll be glad to hear when the injured parties and scared children etc involved are improving. And I hope he gets the help and structure he needs.
Edit: I'd noticed his posts here and his social media presence had dissappeared last year and was worried. I really do hope he gets some help as all was clearly not well when that happened.
Well said Puckoon, this was definitely not the man we both know. Life has not been easy for him and has lost some family members in the not too distant past, things were obviously not all well with him. My heart goes out to his family as I am sure they are very afraid for what lies ahead of him. His father would have been at the game and is as diehard a GAA man as you would ever find, he himself has not been physically well of late and after losing a daughter this is the last thing he would have needed. This is not a good situation
Abusing/blaming refs is an accepted part of GAA culture. Whatever the circumstances of this particular incident, we need to change this culture
Quote from: trailer on July 06, 2023, 09:52:29 PM
Quote from: WT4E on July 06, 2023, 09:47:51 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 06, 2023, 09:44:58 PM
Quote from: WT4E on July 06, 2023, 09:36:17 PM
There'll be a big one in the news tomorrow.
Someone stabbed the ref in the leg at a U16 match in Cookstown.... and it wasn't even a Cookstown man that done it!!!! ::)
WTF like
Just saw the photos. Don't recognise him. Desperate situation altogether. Who'd be a referee now...
Not sure if ref involved or not. Hearing a prominent Cookstown GAA man may have been the victim
GAA have only themselves to blame. Shitty attitudes towards discipline and authority. Chickens coming home to roost.
Thoughts with all those affected.
Fella with mental health issues took a go at the ref, club man stepped in to protect the ref and was stabbed in the leg. Hope he is ok.
Maybe best to lock this thread
Quote from: marty34 on July 06, 2023, 11:12:41 PM
You could see refs going on strike.
Take a hardline approach, say for 3 weeks. No games played in all counties at underage and senior level.
That would focus minds.
I would back them in this.
Quote from: Top G on July 07, 2023, 07:53:20 AM
Quote from: Puckoon on July 07, 2023, 12:22:57 AM
Would urge all to tread lightly and with any compassion that can be mustered. This thread could take a very rough turn but it's all relative and we are never in control of all the facts.
I've known him since we went to school together. A very smart man in his topics of interest, his posts were most informative. But he was socially and emotionally on the shorter side of the stick. Would have endured loneliness at best and bullies at worst as a teenager and young man. Having a family member in this kind of space myself - it's not quite vulnerable adult but it's also not fully fledged everything is going well type adulthood either. Unless you've lived it you never have a clue what these individuals endure in their formative years. It's heartbreaking.
It's a horrible event, I'll be glad to hear when the injured parties and scared children etc involved are improving. And I hope he gets the help and structure he needs.
Edit: I'd noticed his posts here and his social media presence had dissappeared last year and was worried. I really do hope he gets some help as all was clearly not well when that happened.
The world has gone mad.
You can defend your best buddy from school all you want, but don't dare urge me to show compassion for a man who decided himself to pull out a knife and stab someone at a children's football match. I'm just glad the man was stopped when he was because God knows the damage he could've inflicted.
I understand what you're saying, the man might not be the full shilling or may have been dealt a bad hand but let's call a spade a spade, the man stabbed somebody. An absolute disgrace and should be held fully accountable for his actions, regardless of how many times you sat beside him on the bus or shared lunch with him.
He did not say the perpetrator should not be held fully accountable.
But he did say posters should refrain from making ill informed and inflammatory statements.
Do you think that is an unreasonable suggestion?
Quote from: Cavan19 on July 07, 2023, 08:04:44 AM
Quote from: marty34 on July 06, 2023, 11:12:41 PM
You could see refs going on strike.
Take a hardline approach, say for 3 weeks. No games played in all counties at underage and senior level.
That would focus minds.
I would back them in this.
Agree also - Semifinals and TC final cancelled because refs on strike. If there's no ref there's no game, would drive home the message
Quote from: Puckoon on July 07, 2023, 12:22:57 AM
Would urge all to tread lightly and with any compassion that can be mustered. This thread could take a very rough turn but it's all relative and we are never in control of all the facts.
I've known him since we went to school together. A very smart man in his topics of interest, his posts were most informative. But he was socially and emotionally on the shorter side of the stick. Would have endured loneliness at best and bullies at worst as a teenager and young man. Having a family member in this kind of space myself - it's not quite vulnerable adult but it's also not fully fledged everything is going well type adulthood either. Unless you've lived it you never have a clue what these individuals endure in their formative years. It's heartbreaking.
It's a horrible event, I'll be glad to hear when the injured parties and scared children etc involved are improving. And I hope he gets the help and structure he needs.
Edit: I'd noticed his posts here and his social media presence had dissappeared last year and was worried. I really do hope he gets some help as all was clearly not well when that happened.
Sounds like a human tragedy, thought he came across well here. Difficult for all involved - mental health is beyond most peoples comprehension You have to live it, before you have some understanding.
You would have to question why one in this condition would be carrying a knife of sorts. Fair play to the Cookstown club man, who put himself in harms way for the protection of the referee. Hope the referee will be ok, also hope F.. gets the help he requires.
Quote from: Jerome on July 07, 2023, 06:13:39 AM
Whilst not condoning the actions or anything like that I believe there was no knife involved as earlier reported. Believe the weapon was an umbrella.
from tyrone thread...
Quote from: ONeill on July 06, 2023, 11:41:41 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 06, 2023, 11:23:52 PM
Quote from: Estimator on July 06, 2023, 11:05:03 PM
From twitter:
Not condoning or excusing what happened at Cookstown tonight, but the person involved is apparently a vulnerable adult with special-needs.
People should consider this before commenting or jumping to conclusions about what happened.
Anyone that shouts and abuses referees can be classed as someone with special needs, hope that clears that up
Are you ok at the minute? Genuine question.
I'm fine, I'm not fine with the attitude that it's ok to engage in abusing referees from the sideline, I think those that do have serious issues. They encourage others to behave or feel it's ok also.
Now we have an incident were someone (poster or not) going onto a pitch to do harm, and you are asking whether I'm ok?
There are many people that have lifelong issues or years of bullying and so on, and my heart goes out to them, but not all of them take it upon themselves to enter a field of play of juveniles for them to witness him coming to attack someone on the pitch.
I think we are all missing the point here, if we remove the gent who stabbed the parties there was a serious issue in itself which lead up to this in the form of players and mentor haranguing a ref and stopping him from leaving the field of play.
Managers and clubs really need to take a look at their conduct when a manager challenges evry decision a ref makes, the players and bench join in, when the players and bench join in it starts to get the people behind the wire started and therefore makes a rod for a ref. How often do you see a manager or player jostled off the pitch by their supporters due to a error in judgment during play. Managers use refs to mask their own deficiencies at times all to protect their £70 per training session 'expenses'.
At the moment our attitudes are pathetic and I would support a nationwide strike from our refs to get people to pull their head out of their a**
Quote from: Derryman forever on July 07, 2023, 08:10:10 AM
Quote from: Top G on July 07, 2023, 07:53:20 AM
Quote from: Puckoon on July 07, 2023, 12:22:57 AM
Would urge all to tread lightly and with any compassion that can be mustered. This thread could take a very rough turn but it's all relative and we are never in control of all the facts.
I've known him since we went to school together. A very smart man in his topics of interest, his posts were most informative. But he was socially and emotionally on the shorter side of the stick. Would have endured loneliness at best and bullies at worst as a teenager and young man. Having a family member in this kind of space myself - it's not quite vulnerable adult but it's also not fully fledged everything is going well type adulthood either. Unless you've lived it you never have a clue what these individuals endure in their formative years. It's heartbreaking.
It's a horrible event, I'll be glad to hear when the injured parties and scared children etc involved are improving. And I hope he gets the help and structure he needs.
Edit: I'd noticed his posts here and his social media presence had dissappeared last year and was worried. I really do hope he gets some help as all was clearly not well when that happened.
The world has gone mad.
You can defend your best buddy from school all you want, but don't dare urge me to show compassion for a man who decided himself to pull out a knife and stab someone at a children's football match. I'm just glad the man was stopped when he was because God knows the damage he could've inflicted.
I understand what you're saying, the man might not be the full shilling or may have been dealt a bad hand but let's call a spade a spade, the man stabbed somebody. An absolute disgrace and should be held fully accountable for his actions, regardless of how many times you sat beside him on the bus or shared lunch with him.
He did not say the perpetrator should not be held fully accountable.
But he did say posters should refrain from making ill informed and inflammatory statements.
Do you think that is an unreasonable suggestion?
But that only became a thing when it emegred the chap alledged to have stabbed two.people posts on this board. Locking a conversation about something this serious on thise hrounds would look appaling
Quote from: Would ye whist on July 07, 2023, 09:29:37 AM
I think we are all missing the point here, if we remove the gent who stabbed the parties there was a serious issue in itself which lead up to this in the form of players and mentor haranguing a ref and stopping him from leaving the field of play.
Managers and clubs really need to take a look at their conduct when a manager challenges evry decision a ref makes, the players and bench join in, when the players and bench join in it starts to get the people behind the wire started and therefore makes a rod for a ref. How often do you see a manager or player jostled off the pitch by their supporters due to a error in judgment during play. Managers use refs to mask their own deficiencies at times all to protect their £70 per training session 'expenses'.
At the moment our attitudes are pathetic and I would support a nationwide strike from our refs to get people to pull their head out of their a**
I could not agree more with this post.
Quote from: Derryman forever on July 07, 2023, 09:32:10 AM
Quote from: Would ye whist on July 07, 2023, 09:29:37 AM
I think we are all missing the point here, if we remove the gent who stabbed the parties there was a serious issue in itself which lead up to this in the form of players and mentor haranguing a ref and stopping him from leaving the field of play.
Managers and clubs really need to take a look at their conduct when a manager challenges evry decision a ref makes, the players and bench join in, when the players and bench join in it starts to get the people behind the wire started and therefore makes a rod for a ref. How often do you see a manager or player jostled off the pitch by their supporters due to a error in judgment during play. Managers use refs to mask their own deficiencies at times all to protect their £70 per training session 'expenses'.
At the moment our attitudes are pathetic and I would support a nationwide strike from our refs to get people to pull their head out of their a**
I could not agree more with this post.
I agree with that but I do believe a more hollistic approach is needed as there are lots of issues which are all related.
- Managers and players not respecting the referee
- abuse from supporters
- Vagueness & complexity of the rules
- Inconsistency in refereeing as a result of above
- Lack of young people/former players getting involved due to all of the above
- pressure and effort that goes into preparing a team, hard to take a tight loss if there is perceived injustice
You can see all this is inter-related and it really needs a big coming together of people with expertise to sort it out. A protest might seem like a good idea (maybe it is) but if you want robust long term solutions more than that is needed
I've never been to an amateur or Sunday league soccer game - does the same go on there or is it worse at GAA games?
Or Irish league? I would have thought they're all not great either. Though I've never heard of a ref being put in his boot with his child in the car at another sport.
Quote from: Itchy on July 07, 2023, 09:50:29 AM
Quote from: Derryman forever on July 07, 2023, 09:32:10 AM
Quote from: Would ye whist on July 07, 2023, 09:29:37 AM
I think we are all missing the point here, if we remove the gent who stabbed the parties there was a serious issue in itself which lead up to this in the form of players and mentor haranguing a ref and stopping him from leaving the field of play.
Managers and clubs really need to take a look at their conduct when a manager challenges evry decision a ref makes, the players and bench join in, when the players and bench join in it starts to get the people behind the wire started and therefore makes a rod for a ref. How often do you see a manager or player jostled off the pitch by their supporters due to a error in judgment during play. Managers use refs to mask their own deficiencies at times all to protect their £70 per training session 'expenses'.
At the moment our attitudes are pathetic and I would support a nationwide strike from our refs to get people to pull their head out of their a**
I could not agree more with this post.
I agree with that but I do believe a more hollistic approach is needed as there are lots of issues which are all related.
- Managers and players not respecting the referee
- abuse from supporters
- Vagueness & complexity of the rules
- Inconsistency in refereeing as a result of above
- Lack of young people/former players getting involved due to all of the above
- pressure and effort that goes into preparing a team, hard to take a tight loss if there is perceived injustice
You can see all this is inter-related and it really needs a big coming together of people with expertise to sort it out. A protest might seem like a good idea (maybe it is) but if you want robust long term solutions more than that is needed
The referee prepares just as much, these 'injustices' is just an excuse, most of the time the well prepared manager doesn't even know the rules same for well prepared players, I'm bored at times and shocked at how many times I've to explain the rule to an adult.
Referee blows his whistle, rightly or wrongly, you move on. Explain to me the logic of ranting to the ref? I'd be interested in wanting to know how that'll help with the next 50/50 call
This will likely be an unpopular opinion, but referees have been feeding this beast for years, by turning a blind eye during matches, and accepting post-match apologies deliberately feigned to ensure a more favourable report. And now they can no longer control the beast.
Now they need to take control again, which means getting together and forcing through a new code, along the lines of:
1. personal abuse from player or mentor - immediate red card.
2. more than two instances from the one side - match abandoned.
3. abuse from supporters - registered as a complaint with their CCCC. Every second complaint sees the reversal of a home match, or a requirement to play with no spectators for a match.
And re no. 1, suspensions should work on a multiplier level and carried over two seasons. First offence, 1 match ban. Second instance, two match ban, and so on.
Perhaps more importantly, they need to police this from within. If they find tgat one of their own is being lenient on personal abuse, then sanction him.
One season of learning and heartache for players, mentors and supporters would clean up football forever.
Quote from: ONeill on July 07, 2023, 09:53:10 AM
I've never been to an amateur or Sunday league soccer game - does the same go on there or is it worse at GAA games?
The verbal's and abuse are much worse at Irish League games.
Quote from: ONeill on July 07, 2023, 09:53:10 AM
I've never been to an amateur or Sunday league soccer game - does the same go on there or is it worse at GAA games?
Its a GAA problem. I said as much the other day after the Armagh Monaghan game and was told no no of course it isn't. Someone here said it was a problem in all sports. Have never heard of a referee stabbed at any other serious sporting event ever.
Quote from: ONeill on July 07, 2023, 09:53:10 AM
I've never been to an amateur or Sunday league soccer game - does the same go on there or is it worse at GAA games?
Never heard of a referee being stabbed at the soccer, so no.
But why even start the whataboutery
Quote from: Would ye whist on July 07, 2023, 09:29:37 AM
I think we are all missing the point here, if we remove the gent who stabbed the parties there was a serious issue in itself which lead up to this in the form of players and mentor haranguing a ref and stopping him from leaving the field of play.
Managers and clubs really need to take a look at their conduct when a manager challenges evry decision a ref makes, the players and bench join in, when the players and bench join in it starts to get the people behind the wire started and therefore makes a rod for a ref. How often do you see a manager or player jostled off the pitch by their supporters due to a error in judgment during play. Managers use refs to mask their own deficiencies at times all to protect their £70 per training session 'expenses'.
At the moment our attitudes are pathetic and I would support a nationwide strike from our refs to get people to pull their head out of their a**
Yep. Spot on. The only reason we are even talking about it is because the referee was stabbed. The behaviour by players and officials in the lead up was absolutely disgraceful, and it wouldn't even be discussed today only for what happened after.
Hopefully this is the turning point.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 07, 2023, 10:15:39 AM
This will likely be an unpopular opinion, but referees have been feeding this beast for years, by turning a blind eye during matches, and accepting post-match apologies deliberately feigned to ensure a more favourable report. And now they can no longer control the beast.
Now they need to take control again, which means getting together and forcing through a new code, along the lines of:
1. personal abuse from player or mentor - immediate red card.
2. more than two instances from the one side - match abandoned.
3. abuse from supporters - registered as a complaint with their CCCC. Every second complaint sees the reversal of a home match, or a requirement to play with no spectators for a match.
And re no. 1, suspensions should work on a multiplier level and carried over two seasons. First offence, 1 match ban. Second instance, two match ban, and so on.
Perhaps more importantly, they need to police this from within. If they find tgat one of their own is being lenient on personal abuse, then sanction him.
One season of learning and heartache for players, mentors and supporters would clean up football forever.
This kind of approach seems necessary. Personal abuse should not be tolerated at any level.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 07, 2023, 10:25:44 AM
Quote from: ONeill on July 07, 2023, 09:53:10 AM
I've never been to an amateur or Sunday league soccer game - does the same go on there or is it worse at GAA games?
Never heard of a referee being stabbed at the soccer, so no.
But why even start the whataboutery
I don't think O'Neill is going for the "whataboutery" angle. Seemed like a genuine question to me.
I too would be interested in the answer. I am imaging there wouldn't be the same vitriol as you don't have the same parish vibes and that the soccer games are a gather up of people from everywhere with less spectators.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 07, 2023, 08:40:08 AM
Quote from: Jerome on July 07, 2023, 06:13:39 AM
Whilst not condoning the actions or anything like that I believe there was no knife involved as earlier reported. Believe the weapon was an umbrella.
from tyrone thread...
Ffs. Bit of a difference isn't there.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 07, 2023, 10:25:44 AM
Quote from: ONeill on July 07, 2023, 09:53:10 AM
I've never been to an amateur or Sunday league soccer game - does the same go on there or is it worse at GAA games?
Never heard of a referee being stabbed at the soccer, so no.
But why even start the whataboutery
Is it a societal problem or is it a GAA problem? That's why.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 07, 2023, 10:42:11 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 07, 2023, 10:15:39 AM
This will likely be an unpopular opinion, but referees have been feeding this beast for years, by turning a blind eye during matches, and accepting post-match apologies deliberately feigned to ensure a more favourable report. And now they can no longer control the beast.
Now they need to take control again, which means getting together and forcing through a new code, along the lines of:
1. personal abuse from player or mentor - immediate red card.
2. more than two instances from the one side - match abandoned.
3. abuse from supporters - registered as a complaint with their CCCC. Every second complaint sees the reversal of a home match, or a requirement to play with no spectators for a match.
And re no. 1, suspensions should work on a multiplier level and carried over two seasons. First offence, 1 match ban. Second instance, two match ban, and so on.
Perhaps more importantly, they need to police this from within. If they find tgat one of their own is being lenient on personal abuse, then sanction him.
One season of learning and heartache for players, mentors and supporters would clean up football forever.
This kind of approach seems necessary. Personal abuse should not be tolerated at any level.
Agree with this.
One simple change I would take is the AFL approach of moving the ball forward 50m rather than 10m (14m?) for any mouthing or backchat from players. You very rarely see it in AFL because it is such a huge penalty.
Players might soon keep their mouths shut if every transgression is likely to give a shot at goal. If the players/coaches are not constantly guldering that will reduce vitriol in the crowd.
And I also think the current rules need to be enforced better. Isn't remonstrating with a referee not a black card currently?
Quote from: JohnDenver on July 07, 2023, 10:47:04 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 07, 2023, 10:25:44 AM
Quote from: ONeill on July 07, 2023, 09:53:10 AM
I've never been to an amateur or Sunday league soccer game - does the same go on there or is it worse at GAA games?
Never heard of a referee being stabbed at the soccer, so no.
But why even start the whataboutery
I don't think O'Neill is going for the "whataboutery" angle. Seemed like a genuine question to me.
I too would be interested in the answer. I am imaging there wouldn't be the same vitriol as you don't have the same parish vibes and that the soccer games are a gather up of people from everywhere with less spectators.
Referees went on strike in Dublin and last year. Abuse happens. The difference is it isn't tolerated.
And spare us the 'we are more passionate' justification
Is there a bit of conflation going on?
Not to take away from the seriousness of the situation; or from the very obvious problem we have at club level when it comes to respecting match officials, verbal abuse, assaults etc... but it's not like this sort of incident is a regular occurrence - especially at a juvenile match. A couple of posters have provided some context with regards to the alleged perpetrator who it seems has some behavioural issues. Talk of a referee strike is a bit ott.
As bad and stuck up their own holes as most refs are that I've ever come across, I'm yet to meet one that has changed his mind after being told what a blinder f**ker he is. Safer off saying nothing as frustrating as it is.
Quote from: general_lee on July 07, 2023, 11:08:44 AM
Is there a bit of conflation going on?
Not to take away from the seriousness of the situation; or from the very obvious problem we have at club level when it comes to respecting match officials, verbal abuse, assaults etc... but it's not like this sort of incident is a regular occurrence - especially at a juvenile match. A couple of posters have provided some context with regards to the alleged perpetrator who it seems has some behavioural issues. Talk of a referee strike is a bit ott.
From what i have read the behavior of players and management teams towards the referee both before and after the incident needs looking into.
Quote from: TabClear on July 07, 2023, 10:58:35 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on July 07, 2023, 10:42:11 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 07, 2023, 10:15:39 AM
This will likely be an unpopular opinion, but referees have been feeding this beast for years, by turning a blind eye during matches, and accepting post-match apologies deliberately feigned to ensure a more favourable report. And now they can no longer control the beast.
Now they need to take control again, which means getting together and forcing through a new code, along the lines of:
1. personal abuse from player or mentor - immediate red card.
2. more than two instances from the one side - match abandoned.
3. abuse from supporters - registered as a complaint with their CCCC. Every second complaint sees the reversal of a home match, or a requirement to play with no spectators for a match.
And re no. 1, suspensions should work on a multiplier level and carried over two seasons. First offence, 1 match ban. Second instance, two match ban, and so on.
Perhaps more importantly, they need to police this from within. If they find tgat one of their own is being lenient on personal abuse, then sanction him.
One season of learning and heartache for players, mentors and supporters would clean up football forever.
This kind of approach seems necessary. Personal abuse should not be tolerated at any level.
Agree with this.
One simple change I would take is the AFL approach of moving the ball forward 50m rather than 10m (14m?) for any mouthing or backchat from players. You very rarely see it in AFL because it is such a huge penalty.
Players might soon keep their mouths shut if every transgression is likely to give a shot at goal. If the players/coaches are not constantly guldering that will reduce vitriol in the crowd.
+1 to both of these
Quote from: thewobbler on July 07, 2023, 10:15:39 AM
This will likely be an unpopular opinion, but referees have been feeding this beast for years, by turning a blind eye during matches, and accepting post-match apologies deliberately feigned to ensure a more favourable report. And now they can no longer control the beast.
Now they need to take control again, which means getting together and forcing through a new code, along the lines of:
1. personal abuse from player or mentor - immediate red card.
2. more than two instances from the one side - match abandoned.
3. abuse from supporters - registered as a complaint with their CCCC. Every second complaint sees the reversal of a home match, or a requirement to play with no spectators for a match.
And re no. 1, suspensions should work on a multiplier level and carried over two seasons. First offence, 1 match ban. Second instance, two match ban, and so on.
Perhaps more importantly, they need to police this from within. If they find tgat one of their own is being lenient on personal abuse, then sanction him.
One season of learning and heartache for players, mentors and supporters would clean up football forever.
I'd agree with The Wobbler on this. I've been to a good few DDSL (Dublin District Soccer League) matches and the refs who take no shit have the quietest matches. The worst matches (crowd wise) have been were the refs have been debating with players and the sideline. The Sideline mentors have the biggest effect on the atmosphere in a match and the ref needs to shut them down quickly before the atmosphere heats up. I was at one U14 game where the referee sent one player off after 10 minutes and we couldn't figure out what for. I spoke to the ref after the game and asked him why he was sent off and he told me that after he'd blown for a foul the lad had said 'for f**k sake ref'. He'd told both teams that he was not going to take any abuse and send the lad off on a red card. There was not a word said to the ref from players and sideline after that.
Quote from: general_lee on July 07, 2023, 11:08:44 AM
Is there a bit of conflation going on?
Not to take away from the seriousness of the situation; or from the very obvious problem we have at club level when it comes to respecting match officials, verbal abuse, assaults etc... but it's not like this sort of incident is a regular occurrence - especially at a juvenile match. A couple of posters have provided some context with regards to the alleged perpetrator who it seems has some behavioural issues. Talk of a referee strike is a bit ott.
I recently heard abuse being shouted at a referee at an under 8s tournament, by fully grown men. This is not the rare occurrence you think it is.
All starts off with hurley stuff where Refs ignore loads of fouls......
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 07, 2023, 11:17:01 AM
As bad and stuck up their own holes as most refs are that I've ever come across
And that attitude towards referees is part of the problem
Quote from: Rossfan on July 07, 2023, 11:47:22 AM
All starts off with hurley stuff where Refs ignore loads of fouls......
But generally it's bog ball that people start getting personal.
Quote from: dec on July 07, 2023, 12:14:18 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 07, 2023, 11:17:01 AM
As bad and stuck up their own holes as most refs are that I've ever come across
And that attitude towards referees is part of the problem
This guy is a twat though, last of the hard men, probably couldn't get on his reserve team so likes to talk out his arse
Terrible events.
The refereeing situation is a mess, they are set up to fail. Congress passes stupid rule changes and the disciplinary committees let people away with murder. Result is that many talented people give refereeing a miss and we end up with an overall poor standard of refereeing and a downward spiral. The system creates the mess and there's been a complete lack of leadership to address it. Too many GAA people would rather do 'wink and a nod' than face into what needs to be done.
Quote from: Sportacus on July 07, 2023, 12:35:28 PM
Terrible events.
The refereeing situation is a mess, they are set up to fail. Congress passes stupid rule changes and the disciplinary committees let people away with murder. Result is that many talented people give refereeing a miss and we end up with an overall poor standard of refereeing and a downward spiral. The system creates the mess and there's been a complete lack of leadership to address it. Too many GAA people would rather do 'wink and a nod' than face into what needs to be done.
So explain who are these talented people giving refereeing a miss?
Outlay what you feel makes a person a better ref?
You're a sensible poster btw so I'm not taking a shot at you, just want to know the profile you feel is needed.
I know plenty ref's who have played at Croke some ex county players and lots that played senior at club level, they still get abuse and called cheats!
This was very disturbing news to hear and when you see the footage going around, it's just not good enough. Hope the 2 people injured are ok and the kids watching (and let's not forget, they are kids..this was a bloody u16 game) are ok and not too shook.
A poster mentioned a few posts back - we've a huge problem all over the country now. There have been refs harassed and assaulted in virtually every county I'd say in last few years. If we don't take hard action now, we'll struggle to have referees and run games pretty soon. Everyone has to realise that surely?
So as mentioned already, I think we need strict enforcement of a zero policy approach for mentors entering pitches - straight automatic red card, also a club who does what the mentors of the club did last night - which lets be honest must be fairly scary for the ref being hounded after the game. For that, the team must be removed from that competition and the club hit with an automatic fine.
Much more that could be said and done - I 100% think we have made sh*t of refereeing in recent years in Gaelic football with all these rule changes and it hasn't helped BUT the standard of refereeing at inter county level even does frustrate me, so a lot more referee training is needed aswell, but that's down the list compared to the above in my view.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 07, 2023, 12:42:31 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on July 07, 2023, 12:35:28 PM
Terrible events.
The refereeing situation is a mess, they are set up to fail. Congress passes stupid rule changes and the disciplinary committees let people away with murder. Result is that many talented people give refereeing a miss and we end up with an overall poor standard of refereeing and a downward spiral. The system creates the mess and there's been a complete lack of leadership to address it. Too many GAA people would rather do 'wink and a nod' than face into what needs to be done.
So explain who are these talented people giving refereeing a miss?
Outlay what you feel makes a person a better ref?
You're a sensible poster btw so I'm not taking a shot at you, just want to know the profile you feel is needed.
I know plenty ref's who have played at Croke some ex county players and lots that played senior at club level, they still get abuse and called cheats!
What I mean is the overall talent pool is shrinking because the culture and practise in the GAA is a deterrent when it should be an incentive. Just rank and file sensible GAA people, mostly past players, who if the system supported refs, would potentially put their hand up and give it a go. It follows on (just my opinion) that the 'overall' standard isn't as good as it could be. Notwithstanding some individual refs who may be very good.
And just one specific issue - clubs and counties all try their hand at Appeals, even when the offence is absolutely bare faced. Certain people are 'admired' for their ability to get people off the hook (ironically not least a prominent Tyrone figure in days gone by). It's a ridiculous culture and it plays its part in undermining refs authority. Rightly send a man off on a Sunday - take dogs abuse for your decision - then watch a committee a week later overturn your decision. Why would you!
Excellent post from the Kerry Man among many good ones.
Lets wise up, bite your lip and allow the 31 on the field to get on with it...
(in a black humourous way that is not a reference to Kilmacud Crokes but obviously the ref)
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 07, 2023, 11:46:07 AM
Quote from: general_lee on July 07, 2023, 11:08:44 AM
Is there a bit of conflation going on?
Not to take away from the seriousness of the situation; or from the very obvious problem we have at club level when it comes to respecting match officials, verbal abuse, assaults etc... but it's not like this sort of incident is a regular occurrence - especially at a juvenile match. A couple of posters have provided some context with regards to the alleged perpetrator who it seems has some behavioural issues. Talk of a referee strike is a bit ott.
I recently heard abuse being shouted at a referee at an under 8s tournament, by fully grown men. This is not the rare occurrence you think it is.
I'm talking about someone pulling a knife - it's unheard of.
Verbal abuse is rampant.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 07, 2023, 11:08:01 AM
Quote from: JohnDenver on July 07, 2023, 10:47:04 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 07, 2023, 10:25:44 AM
Quote from: ONeill on July 07, 2023, 09:53:10 AM
I've never been to an amateur or Sunday league soccer game - does the same go on there or is it worse at GAA games?
Never heard of a referee being stabbed at the soccer, so no.
But why even start the whataboutery
I don't think O'Neill is going for the "whataboutery" angle. Seemed like a genuine question to me.
I too would be interested in the answer. I am imaging there wouldn't be the same vitriol as you don't have the same parish vibes and that the soccer games are a gather up of people from everywhere with less spectators.
Referees went on strike in Dublin and last year. Abuse happens. The difference is it isn't tolerated.
And spare us the 'we are more passionate' justification
What shite are you spouting now? Who is the "we" ?
I am saying that GAA club matches probably have more of a crowd and the crowd has more of a connection to the team given the parish rule compared to an amateur soccer team who can transfer players in from everywhere.
I am also none the wiser as to whether the same abuse and vitriol is directed at referees in the amateur soccer league games.
The referee in this case refereed on behalf of Ballinderry; has he changed clubs or was there a conscious decision by Tyrone county board to get an "outside" referee for championship games?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 07, 2023, 10:04:29 AM
Quote from: Itchy on July 07, 2023, 09:50:29 AM
Quote from: Derryman forever on July 07, 2023, 09:32:10 AM
Quote from: Would ye whist on July 07, 2023, 09:29:37 AM
I think we are all missing the point here, if we remove the gent who stabbed the parties there was a serious issue in itself which lead up to this in the form of players and mentor haranguing a ref and stopping him from leaving the field of play.
Managers and clubs really need to take a look at their conduct when a manager challenges evry decision a ref makes, the players and bench join in, when the players and bench join in it starts to get the people behind the wire started and therefore makes a rod for a ref. How often do you see a manager or player jostled off the pitch by their supporters due to a error in judgment during play. Managers use refs to mask their own deficiencies at times all to protect their £70 per training session 'expenses'.
At the moment our attitudes are pathetic and I would support a nationwide strike from our refs to get people to pull their head out of their a**
I could not agree more with this post.
I agree with that but I do believe a more hollistic approach is needed as there are lots of issues which are all related.
- Managers and players not respecting the referee
- abuse from supporters
- Vagueness & complexity of the rules
- Inconsistency in refereeing as a result of above
- Lack of young people/former players getting involved due to all of the above
- pressure and effort that goes into preparing a team, hard to take a tight loss if there is perceived injustice
You can see all this is inter-related and it really needs a big coming together of people with expertise to sort it out. A protest might seem like a good idea (maybe it is) but if you want robust long term solutions more than that is needed
The referee prepares just as much, these 'injustices' is just an excuse, most of the time the well prepared manager doesn't even know the rules same for well prepared players, I'm bored at times and shocked at how many times I've to explain the rule to an adult.
Referee blows his whistle, rightly or wrongly, you move on. Explain to me the logic of ranting to the ref? I'd be interested in wanting to know how that'll help with the next 50/50 call
I am sorry to say that shouting and roaring at a ref does have an effect. You have heard the term "hometown" decision? Well its the same thing. Referees are human and can be effected and intimidated by shouting. And while i respect a referee puts a lot of effort in I do not accept that it comes close to the efforts teams put into training and preparation.
Listen to commentary round games now - Sunday game, live games, podcasts, newspapers etc and large part of it can be focused on decisions the ref made. And this is at senior inter county level.
Then listen to managers after games and they go after refs. Glen Ryan recently, McGeeney last weekend.
Go on social media and you've ex players slating refs and decisions they have made in games. This is picked up on by the click bait sites and they make stories out of it. It's lazy and easy narrative. They have no fear of slating a ref, as it's easy and doesn't take much analysis to criticise a decision that others agree with. Will they go after players or managers and call out their mistakes or preformance to the same degree or with the same language? Never, cause they want to be buddies or be able to meet them wherever and be their friend or have some connection to them.
All this filters back to the ref, often on his own running a game at any level in club football. People - supporters, mgt and players - see all of the above, added to the emotion of their own involvement and connection to the game and they think it gives them fair game to give their opinion.
This isn't an excuse but there needs to a collective approach to change this and not just lip service. The whole culture and commentary towards refs need to change. This is a shocking incident and I hope those affected recover soon.
Quote from: Would ye whist on July 07, 2023, 09:29:37 AM
I think we are all missing the point here, if we remove the gent who stabbed the parties there was a serious issue in itself which lead up to this in the form of players and mentor haranguing a ref and stopping him from leaving the field of play.
Managers and clubs really need to take a look at their conduct when a manager challenges evry decision a ref makes, the players and bench join in, when the players and bench join in it starts to get the people behind the wire started and therefore makes a rod for a ref. How often do you see a manager or player jostled off the pitch by their supporters due to a error in judgment during play. Managers use refs to mask their own deficiencies at times all to protect their £70 per training session 'expenses'.
At the moment our attitudes are pathetic and I would support a nationwide strike from our refs to get people to pull their head out of their a**
Well said.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on July 07, 2023, 12:45:53 PM
This was very disturbing news to hear and when you see the footage going around, it's just not good enough. Hope the 2 people injured are ok and the kids watching (and let's not forget, they are kids..this was a bloody u16 game) are ok and not too shook.
A poster mentioned a few posts back - we've a huge problem all over the country now. There have been refs harassed and assaulted in virtually every county I'd say in last few years. If we don't take hard action now, we'll struggle to have referees and run games pretty soon. Everyone has to realise that surely?
So as mentioned already, I think we need strict enforcement of a zero policy approach for mentors entering pitches - straight automatic red card, also a club who does what the mentors of the club did last night - which lets be honest must be fairly scary for the ref being hounded after the game. For that, the team must be removed from that competition and the club hit with an automatic fine.
Much more that could be said and done - I 100% think we have made sh*t of refereeing in recent years in Gaelic football with all these rule changes and it hasn't helped BUT the standard of refereeing at inter county level even does frustrate me, so a lot more referee training is needed aswell, but that's down the list compared to the above in my view.
So with your knowledge what do you feel needs to be done with this training for ref's? And from your knowledge of inter county referees, what do they do with regards to training assessments and support?
Also it's very strange but oddly not that the narrative starts with someone stabbing somebody and then goes to ref's need more training? Like self defence training might be part of the new training, or stab vest becoming part of the new kit!
Quote from: cornerback on July 07, 2023, 01:00:42 PM
The referee in this case refereed on behalf of Ballinderry; has he changed clubs or was there a conscious decision by Tyrone county board to get an "outside" referee for championship games?
I think referees can move to other counties if the matches fees are higher - Tyrone referees definitely do games in Fermanagh
Quote from: FermPundit on July 07, 2023, 01:29:45 PM
Quote from: cornerback on July 07, 2023, 01:00:42 PM
The referee in this case refereed on behalf of Ballinderry; has he changed clubs or was there a conscious decision by Tyrone county board to get an "outside" referee for championship games?
I think referees can move to other counties if the matches fees are higher - Tyrone referees definitely do games in Fermanagh
Happens all the time, Derry has Tyrone and Donegal refs on their list.
One of the text pieces from the WhatsApps last night was that Chicken 'fixed the game for Cookstown to win'... Jesus wept
Quote from: general_lee on July 07, 2023, 12:54:05 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 07, 2023, 11:46:07 AM
Quote from: general_lee on July 07, 2023, 11:08:44 AM
Is there a bit of conflation going on?
Not to take away from the seriousness of the situation; or from the very obvious problem we have at club level when it comes to respecting match officials, verbal abuse, assaults etc... but it's not like this sort of incident is a regular occurrence - especially at a juvenile match. A couple of posters have provided some context with regards to the alleged perpetrator who it seems has some behavioural issues. Talk of a referee strike is a bit ott.
I recently heard abuse being shouted at a referee at an under 8s tournament, by fully grown men. This is not the rare occurrence you think it is.
I'm talking about someone pulling a knife - it's unheard of.
Verbal abuse is rampant.
Key point is where do we, as GAA people, draw the line?
Is physical abuse not ok but verbal abuse ok?
Do we say to kids who are getting bullied, take the verbal bullying but tell someone when it start to get physical?
Good opportunity now for the GAA, and especially Jarlath Burns, to draw up a proper code of conduct and tie it in with disclipline.
Over to the GAA now.
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Quote from: ONeill on July 07, 2023, 09:53:10 AM
I've never been to an amateur or Sunday league soccer game - does the same go on there or is it worse at GAA games?
Never heard of a referee being stabbed at the soccer, so no.
But why even start the whataboutery
I don't think O'Neill is going for the "whataboutery" angle. Seemed like a genuine question to me.
I too would be interested in the answer. I am imaging there wouldn't be the same vitriol as you don't have the same parish vibes and that the soccer games are a gather up of people from everywhere with less spectators.
Referees went on strike in Dublin and last year. Abuse happens. The difference is it isn't tolerated.
And spare us the 'we are more passionate' justification
What shite are you spouting now? Who is the "we" ?
I am saying that GAA club matches probably have more of a crowd and the crowd has more of a connection to the team given the parish rule compared to an amateur soccer team who can transfer players in from everywhere.
I am also none the wiser as to whether the same abuse and vitriol is directed at referees in the amateur soccer league games.
You are saying that any better behaviour towords referees in soccer is because soccer fans aren't passionate enough to attack referees. Are you sure about that?
I think abuse of referees happens along the same lines in soccer. But the associations deal with it robustly, which simply doesn't happen in the GAA
Quote from: marty34 on July 07, 2023, 01:47:53 PM
Quote from: general_lee on July 07, 2023, 12:54:05 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 07, 2023, 11:46:07 AM
Quote from: general_lee on July 07, 2023, 11:08:44 AM
Is there a bit of conflation going on?
Not to take away from the seriousness of the situation; or from the very obvious problem we have at club level when it comes to respecting match officials, verbal abuse, assaults etc... but it's not like this sort of incident is a regular occurrence - especially at a juvenile match. A couple of posters have provided some context with regards to the alleged perpetrator who it seems has some behavioural issues. Talk of a referee strike is a bit ott.
I recently heard abuse being shouted at a referee at an under 8s tournament, by fully grown men. This is not the rare occurrence you think it is.
I'm talking about someone pulling a knife - it's unheard of.
Verbal abuse is rampant.
Key point is where do we, as GAA people, draw the line?
Is physical abuse not ok but verbal abuse ok?
Do we say to kids who are getting bullied, take the verbal bullying but tell someone when it start to get physical?
Good opportunity now for the GAA, and especially Jarlath Burns, to draw up a proper code of conduct and tie it in with disclipline.
Over to the GAA now.
It's a cliche, but the goys have this sorted. Egg chasing does not tolerate it.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 07, 2023, 11:47:22 AM
All starts off with hurley stuff where Refs ignore loads of fouls......
Ah yeah it's the hurling crowds fault, surprised you haven't blamed the soccer ball lads also, anybody but the Gaelic Football crowd eh...
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Quote from: Rossfan on July 07, 2023, 11:47:22 AM
All starts off with hurley stuff where Refs ignore loads of fouls......
Ah yeah it's the hurling crowds fault, surprised you haven't blamed the soccer ball lads also, anybody but the Gaelic Football crowd eh...
Wouldn't know a Gaelic football if it hit him in the face
A few things
- rulebook needs enforced. The rules are currently there to deal with players / managements indiscretions
- meaningful bans/suspensions
- appeal process needs tightened. Far too many people get off after appeal
- starting now, in fundamentals/go-games, players need to be coached to respect the referee. Maybe a 'quiet sideline' to stop parents getting overly involved and setting a bad example
Quote from: smort on July 07, 2023, 02:05:33 PM
A few things
- rulebook needs enforced. The rules are currently there to deal with players / managements indiscretions
- meaningful bans/suspensions
- appeal process needs tightened. Far too many people get off after appeal
- starting now, in fundamentals/go-games, players need to be coached to respect the referee. Maybe a 'quiet sideline' to stop parents getting overly involved and setting a bad example
Agree with your sentiment, but the rule book is probably part of the problem. It's just a ramble of rules that have been edited and added to over the years . It's clearly full of holes and contradictions, hence the Appeal merchants. A suggestion for Jarlath on his first day - appoint some experts, they don't need to be GAA, to look at the rule book end to end and propose how it could be amended to remove the loopholes.
Quote from: cornerback on July 07, 2023, 01:00:42 PM
The referee in this case refereed on behalf of Ballinderry; has he changed clubs or was there a conscious decision by Tyrone county board to get an "outside" referee for championship games?
He's been refereeing in Tyrone for a few years now as a Clonoe referee
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Quote from: ONeill on July 07, 2023, 09:53:10 AM
I've never been to an amateur or Sunday league soccer game - does the same go on there or is it worse at GAA games?
Never heard of a referee being stabbed at the soccer, so no.
But why even start the whataboutery
I don't think O'Neill is going for the "whataboutery" angle. Seemed like a genuine question to me.
I too would be interested in the answer. I am imaging there wouldn't be the same vitriol as you don't have the same parish vibes and that the soccer games are a gather up of people from everywhere with less spectators.
Referees went on strike in Dublin and last year. Abuse happens. The difference is it isn't tolerated.
And spare us the 'we are more passionate' justification
What shite are you spouting now? Who is the "we" ?
I am saying that GAA club matches probably have more of a crowd and the crowd has more of a connection to the team given the parish rule compared to an amateur soccer team who can transfer players in from everywhere.
I am also none the wiser as to whether the same abuse and vitriol is directed at referees in the amateur soccer league games.
You are saying that any better behaviour towords referees in soccer is because soccer fans aren't passionate enough to attack referees. Are you sure about that?
I think abuse of referees happens along the same lines in soccer. But the associations deal with it robustly, which simply doesn't happen in the GAA
Absolutely never said such a thing. If you have 200 people at a match, there is more likelihood of a trouble maker being in attendance compared to a crowd of 20.
Also with increased numbers comes increased chances of people clashing with each other, verbally or physically in the crowd.
I don't know how soccer deals with abuse of referees. I do know that there are far too many loopholes and appeals in GAA when it comes to punishments and sanctions. Instead of sucking it up and taking your medicine, a lot of people's first reaction is to try and get out of the suspension.
There should be zero tolerance to abuse of referees, in any shape or form. Without them, there would simply be no games.
Quote from: general_lee on July 07, 2023, 11:08:44 AM
Is there a bit of conflation going on?
Not to take away from the seriousness of the situation; or from the very obvious problem we have at club level when it comes to respecting match officials, verbal abuse, assaults etc... but it's not like this sort of incident is a regular occurrence - especially at a juvenile match. A couple of posters have provided some context with regards to the alleged perpetrator who it seems has some behavioural issues. Talk of a referee strike is a bit ott.
Still there is merit in the concept that an orderly environment gives less encouragement to excessive individuals. For sure, most of us might lose the rag and start waving our watch at the ref (or whatever), but some people will carry on beyond that if anti referee agitation is normalised.
Quote from: JoG2 on July 07, 2023, 01:45:21 PM
Quote from: FermPundit on July 07, 2023, 01:29:45 PM
Quote from: cornerback on July 07, 2023, 01:00:42 PM
The referee in this case refereed on behalf of Ballinderry; has he changed clubs or was there a conscious decision by Tyrone county board to get an "outside" referee for championship games?
I think referees can move to other counties if the matches fees are higher - Tyrone referees definitely do games in Fermanagh
Happens all the time, Derry has Tyrone and Donegal refs on their list.
One of the text pieces from the WhatsApps last night was that Chicken 'fixed the game for Cookstown to win'... Jesus wept
I'd love to know who these men are forking out cash to a referee to fix an U16 game. . . would need to be a grand or more to make it worth your while especially if there's a chance you'll get stabbed!!
I'm only half joking there it's a serious situation of course and horrific as well but how can people think someone's ponying up to get an U16 game fixed?
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Quote from: ONeill on July 07, 2023, 09:53:10 AM
I've never been to an amateur or Sunday league soccer game - does the same go on there or is it worse at GAA games?
Never heard of a referee being stabbed at the soccer, so no.
But why even start the whataboutery
I don't think O'Neill is going for the "whataboutery" angle. Seemed like a genuine question to me.
I too would be interested in the answer. I am imaging there wouldn't be the same vitriol as you don't have the same parish vibes and that the soccer games are a gather up of people from everywhere with less spectators.
Referees went on strike in Dublin and last year. Abuse happens. The difference is it isn't tolerated.
And spare us the 'we are more passionate' justification
What shite are you spouting now? Who is the "we" ?
I am saying that GAA club matches probably have more of a crowd and the crowd has more of a connection to the team given the parish rule compared to an amateur soccer team who can transfer players in from everywhere.
I am also none the wiser as to whether the same abuse and vitriol is directed at referees in the amateur soccer league games.
You are saying that any better behaviour towords referees in soccer is because soccer fans aren't passionate enough to attack referees. Are you sure about that?
I think abuse of referees happens along the same lines in soccer. But the associations deal with it robustly, which simply doesn't happen in the GAA
Absolutely never said such a thing. If you have 200 people at a match, there is more likelihood of a trouble maker being in attendance compared to a crowd of 20.
Also with increased numbers comes increased chances of people clashing with each other, verbally or physically in the crowd.
I don't know how soccer deals with abuse of referees. I do know that there are far too many loopholes and appeals in GAA when it comes to punishments and sanctions. Instead of sucking it up and taking your medicine, a lot of people's first reaction is to try and get out of the suspension.
There should be zero tolerance to abuse of referees, in any shape or form. Without them, there would simply be no games.
I don't believe crowd size is the issue, so much as virtually no sanctions in place for lack of control over supporters.
The way I see it is that if St Mary's were likely to lose a home fixture because their supporter big John Smith can't keep his mouth shut, then St Mary's wouldn't be long finding ways to educate or exclude Big John Smith.
Whereas at the minute, it's a load of nonsense, for if the same Big John Smith happens to get fingered for his actions, he'll get an 8 week ban from GAA games. And he'll be at matches every week for those 8 weeks.
Quote from: screenexile on July 07, 2023, 02:59:24 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on July 07, 2023, 01:45:21 PM
Quote from: FermPundit on July 07, 2023, 01:29:45 PM
Quote from: cornerback on July 07, 2023, 01:00:42 PM
The referee in this case refereed on behalf of Ballinderry; has he changed clubs or was there a conscious decision by Tyrone county board to get an "outside" referee for championship games?
I think referees can move to other counties if the matches fees are higher - Tyrone referees definitely do games in Fermanagh
Happens all the time, Derry has Tyrone and Donegal refs on their list.
One of the text pieces from the WhatsApps last night was that Chicken 'fixed the game for Cookstown to win'... Jesus wept
I'd love to know who these men are forking out cash to a referee to fix an U16 game. . . would need to be a grand or more to make it worth your while especially if there's a chance you'll get stabbed!!
I'm only half joking there it's a serious situation of course and horrific as well but how can people think someone's ponying up to get an U16 game fixed?
People are buffoons, they'll believe what they want and what suits...
Was it under 16 championship or league? Not that it matters, how tight was the game? I remember coming off the pitch and there was 25 points in it, of course the manager was blaming me, I pointed to the scoreboard and asked him to have a word with himself.
Policing games for clubs is difficult, the biggest nuisance is non members excuse! He's not a member so we can't ban him or whatever, then the club should take the hit. No home games all age groups for the season. And life time ban for these guys to enter a ground, fines if seen at a ground.
Be interesting to see what comes from the county's investigation and what Croke park do
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Quote from: cornerback on July 07, 2023, 01:00:42 PM
The referee in this case refereed on behalf of Ballinderry; has he changed clubs or was there a conscious decision by Tyrone county board to get an "outside" referee for championship games?
I think referees can move to other counties if the matches fees are higher - Tyrone referees definitely do games in Fermanagh
Happens all the time, Derry has Tyrone and Donegal refs on their list.
One of the text pieces from the WhatsApps last night was that Chicken 'fixed the game for Cookstown to win'... Jesus wept
Another I heard was that the referee "was bad for both teams"
What does this even mean?!? If a referee is bad for one team would that not be good for the other team? I am so confused by the logic.
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Quote from: ONeill on July 07, 2023, 09:53:10 AM
I've never been to an amateur or Sunday league soccer game - does the same go on there or is it worse at GAA games?
Never heard of a referee being stabbed at the soccer, so no.
But why even start the whataboutery
I don't think O'Neill is going for the "whataboutery" angle. Seemed like a genuine question to me.
I too would be interested in the answer. I am imaging there wouldn't be the same vitriol as you don't have the same parish vibes and that the soccer games are a gather up of people from everywhere with less spectators.
Referees went on strike in Dublin and last year. Abuse happens. The difference is it isn't tolerated.
And spare us the 'we are more passionate' justification
What shite are you spouting now? Who is the "we" ?
I am saying that GAA club matches probably have more of a crowd and the crowd has more of a connection to the team given the parish rule compared to an amateur soccer team who can transfer players in from everywhere.
I am also none the wiser as to whether the same abuse and vitriol is directed at referees in the amateur soccer league games.
You are saying that any better behaviour towords referees in soccer is because soccer fans aren't passionate enough to attack referees. Are you sure about that?
I think abuse of referees happens along the same lines in soccer. But the associations deal with it robustly, which simply doesn't happen in the GAA
Absolutely never said such a thing. If you have 200 people at a match, there is more likelihood of a trouble maker being in attendance compared to a crowd of 20.
Also with increased numbers comes increased chances of people clashing with each other, verbally or physically in the crowd.
I don't know how soccer deals with abuse of referees. I do know that there are far too many loopholes and appeals in GAA when it comes to punishments and sanctions. Instead of sucking it up and taking your medicine, a lot of people's first reaction is to try and get out of the suspension.
There should be zero tolerance to abuse of referees, in any shape or form. Without them, there would simply be no games.
I don't believe crowd size is the issue, so much as virtually no sanctions in place for lack of control over supporters.
The way I see it is that if St Mary's were likely to lose a home fixture because their supporter big John Smith can't keep his mouth shut, then St Mary's wouldn't be long finding ways to educate or exclude Big John Smith.
Whereas at the minute, it's a load of nonsense, for if the same Big John Smith happens to get fingered for his actions, he'll get an 8 week ban from GAA games. And he'll be at matches every week for those 8 weeks.
In fairness Big John Smith buys the lotto and his uncle was a club legend.. let's curb the mouths, thank the referees and straight reds for anyone on the pitch.
Would limiting access to the pitch help a bit? It's not something I'd take lightly as I think it's great to see the kids on the pitch at HT and FT but in other sports, once someone accesses the pitch there's usually stewards after them whereas in GAA nobody would bat an eyelid until it might be too late?
Quote from: SaffronSports on July 07, 2023, 03:46:19 PM
Would limiting access to the pitch help a bit? It's not something I'd take lightly as I think it's great to see the kids on the pitch at HT and FT but in other sports, once someone accesses the pitch there's usually stewards after them whereas in GAA nobody would bat an eyelid until it might be too late?
Would agree with this. Was nervous at the end of a few intercounty matches this season, most seemed to end with a pitch invasion. Feel like it's an accident waiting to happen
Quote from: thewobbler on July 07, 2023, 10:15:39 AM
This will likely be an unpopular opinion, but referees have been feeding this beast for years, by turning a blind eye during matches, and accepting post-match apologies deliberately feigned to ensure a more favourable report. And now they can no longer control the beast.
Now they need to take control again, which means getting together and forcing through a new code, along the lines of:
1. personal abuse from player or mentor - immediate red card.
2. more than two instances from the one side - match abandoned.
3. abuse from supporters - registered as a complaint with their CCCC. Every second complaint sees the reversal of a home match, or a requirement to play with no spectators for a match.
And re no. 1, suspensions should work on a multiplier level and carried over two seasons. First offence, 1 match ban. Second instance, two match ban, and so on.
Perhaps more importantly, they need to police this from within. If they find tgat one of their own is being lenient on personal abuse, then sanction him.
One season of learning and heartache for players, mentors and supporters would clean up football forever.
I don't think that's the problem at all. More so I think it's the media culture to rake over every referees mistake and second guess every call. This happens across all sports. The increased analysis has often identified the ref as the villain.
I remember 10/15 years ago rugby had this reputation for complete respect for referees and how'd there would be no back chat and only the captain would consult with him etc. That is now completely gone. Watch a rugby match and it's constant shouting at the referees, intimidation of them, remonstrating with them after a game. Soccer is the same, klopp, mourinho, arteta, Guardiola all know they can intimidate officials to get calls in their favour.
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Quote from: SaffronSports on July 07, 2023, 03:46:19 PM
Would limiting access to the pitch help a bit? It's not something I'd take lightly as I think it's great to see the kids on the pitch at HT and FT but in other sports, once someone accesses the pitch there's usually stewards after them whereas in GAA nobody would bat an eyelid until it might be too late?
Would agree with this. Was nervous at the end of a few intercounty matches this season, most seemed to end with a pitch invasion. Feel like it's an accident waiting to happen
Yeah I agree. An accident waiting to happen . And I can't imagine all players are happy with these post match invasions
I remember watching a game involving Armagh in the league. Think it might have been the late defeat to Galway. Anyway, when the whistle went , youngsters streamed onto the pitch , one lad ran up to jarlath og burns , and stuck a camera in his face. No harm to the lad , but jarlath had to stand there seconds after gutting defeat and put on his best face for a selfie. It's hardly appropriate
Let the teams do their warm down , get into their huddle. Stick a track top in them at least , then any youngsters who stay behind , can have a selfie/autograph when the players have regained their thoughts somewhat and it can be done in a safe and controlled manner
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Quote from: smort on July 07, 2023, 03:48:01 PM
Quote from: SaffronSports on July 07, 2023, 03:46:19 PM
Would limiting access to the pitch help a bit? It's not something I'd take lightly as I think it's great to see the kids on the pitch at HT and FT but in other sports, once someone accesses the pitch there's usually stewards after them whereas in GAA nobody would bat an eyelid until it might be too late?
Would agree with this. Was nervous at the end of a few intercounty matches this season, most seemed to end with a pitch invasion. Feel like it's an accident waiting to happen
Yeah I agree. An accident waiting to happen . And I can't imagine all players are happy with these post match invasions
I remember watching a game involving Armagh in the league. Think it might have been the late defeat to Galway. Anyway, when the whistle went , youngsters streamed onto the pitch , one lad ran up to jarlath og burns , and stuck a camera in his face. No harm to the lad , but jarlath had to stand there seconds after gutting defeat and put on his best face for a selfie. It's hardly appropriate
Let the teams do their warm down , get into their huddle. Stick a track top in them at least , then any youngsters who stay behind , can have a selfie/autograph when the players have regained their thoughts somewhat and it can be done in a safe and controlled manner
+1.
Heard stories of county goalkeepers getting dogs abuse for not giving his gloves to children from parents after a game.
Scotchy Conway wouldn't sign my arm in 1986.
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Quote from: ONeill on July 07, 2023, 09:53:10 AM
I've never been to an amateur or Sunday league soccer game - does the same go on there or is it worse at GAA games?
Never heard of a referee being stabbed at the soccer, so no.
But why even start the whataboutery
I don't think O'Neill is going for the "whataboutery" angle. Seemed like a genuine question to me.
I too would be interested in the answer. I am imaging there wouldn't be the same vitriol as you don't have the same parish vibes and that the soccer games are a gather up of people from everywhere with less spectators.
Referees went on strike in Dublin and last year. Abuse happens. The difference is it isn't tolerated.
And spare us the 'we are more passionate' justification
What shite are you spouting now? Who is the "we" ?
I am saying that GAA club matches probably have more of a crowd and the crowd has more of a connection to the team given the parish rule compared to an amateur soccer team who can transfer players in from everywhere.
I am also none the wiser as to whether the same abuse and vitriol is directed at referees in the amateur soccer league games.
You are saying that any better behaviour towords referees in soccer is because soccer fans aren't passionate enough to attack referees. Are you sure about that?
I think abuse of referees happens along the same lines in soccer. But the associations deal with it robustly, which simply doesn't happen in the GAA
Absolutely never said such a thing. If you have 200 people at a match, there is more likelihood of a trouble maker being in attendance compared to a crowd of 20.
Also with increased numbers comes increased chances of people clashing with each other, verbally or physically in the crowd.
I don't know how soccer deals with abuse of referees. I do know that there are far too many loopholes and appeals in GAA when it comes to punishments and sanctions. Instead of sucking it up and taking your medicine, a lot of people's first reaction is to try and get out of the suspension.
There should be zero tolerance to abuse of referees, in any shape or form. Without them, there would simply be no games.
Irish league and league of Ireland crowds dwarf gaa club games. Your argument is silly.
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Quote from: thewobbler on July 07, 2023, 10:15:39 AM
This will likely be an unpopular opinion, but referees have been feeding this beast for years, by turning a blind eye during matches, and accepting post-match apologies deliberately feigned to ensure a more favourable report. And now they can no longer control the beast.
Now they need to take control again, which means getting together and forcing through a new code, along the lines of:
1. personal abuse from player or mentor - immediate red card.
2. more than two instances from the one side - match abandoned.
3. abuse from supporters - registered as a complaint with their CCCC. Every second complaint sees the reversal of a home match, or a requirement to play with no spectators for a match.
And re no. 1, suspensions should work on a multiplier level and carried over two seasons. First offence, 1 match ban. Second instance, two match ban, and so on.
Perhaps more importantly, they need to police this from within. If they find tgat one of their own is being lenient on personal abuse, then sanction him.
One season of learning and heartache for players, mentors and supporters would clean up football forever.
I don't think that's the problem at all. More so I think it's the media culture to rake over every referees mistake and second guess every call. This happens across all sports. The increased analysis has often identified the ref as the villain.
I remember 10/15 years ago rugby had this reputation for complete respect for referees and how'd there would be no back chat and only the captain would consult with him etc. That is now completely gone. Watch a rugby match and it's constant shouting at the referees, intimidation of them, remonstrating with them after a game. Soccer is the same, klopp, mourinho, arteta, Guardiola all know they can intimidate officials to get calls in their favour.
Nowhere as bad in rugby.
Not even close and to compare GAA and rugby is a joke.
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Quote from: ONeill on July 07, 2023, 09:53:10 AM
I've never been to an amateur or Sunday league soccer game - does the same go on there or is it worse at GAA games?
Never heard of a referee being stabbed at the soccer, so no.
But why even start the whataboutery
I don't think O'Neill is going for the "whataboutery" angle. Seemed like a genuine question to me.
I too would be interested in the answer. I am imaging there wouldn't be the same vitriol as you don't have the same parish vibes and that the soccer games are a gather up of people from everywhere with less spectators.
Referees went on strike in Dublin and last year. Abuse happens. The difference is it isn't tolerated.
And spare us the 'we are more passionate' justification
What shite are you spouting now? Who is the "we" ?
I am saying that GAA club matches probably have more of a crowd and the crowd has more of a connection to the team given the parish rule compared to an amateur soccer team who can transfer players in from everywhere.
I am also none the wiser as to whether the same abuse and vitriol is directed at referees in the amateur soccer league games.
You are saying that any better behaviour towords referees in soccer is because soccer fans aren't passionate enough to attack referees. Are you sure about that?
I think abuse of referees happens along the same lines in soccer. But the associations deal with it robustly, which simply doesn't happen in the GAA
Absolutely never said such a thing. If you have 200 people at a match, there is more likelihood of a trouble maker being in attendance compared to a crowd of 20.
Also with increased numbers comes increased chances of people clashing with each other, verbally or physically in the crowd.
I don't know how soccer deals with abuse of referees. I do know that there are far too many loopholes and appeals in GAA when it comes to punishments and sanctions. Instead of sucking it up and taking your medicine, a lot of people's first reaction is to try and get out of the suspension.
There should be zero tolerance to abuse of referees, in any shape or form. Without them, there would simply be no games.
I don't believe crowd size is the issue, so much as virtually no sanctions in place for lack of control over supporters.
The way I see it is that if St Mary's were likely to lose a home fixture because their supporter big John Smith can't keep his mouth shut, then St Mary's wouldn't be long finding ways to educate or exclude Big John Smith.
Whereas at the minute, it's a load of nonsense, for if the same Big John Smith happens to get fingered for his actions, he'll get an 8 week ban from GAA games. And he'll be at matches every week for those 8 weeks.
I think that might be a bit of an excessive punishment, and not to mention illegal.
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Quote from: ONeill on July 07, 2023, 09:53:10 AM
I've never been to an amateur or Sunday league soccer game - does the same go on there or is it worse at GAA games?
Never heard of a referee being stabbed at the soccer, so no.
But why even start the whataboutery
I don't think O'Neill is going for the "whataboutery" angle. Seemed like a genuine question to me.
I too would be interested in the answer. I am imaging there wouldn't be the same vitriol as you don't have the same parish vibes and that the soccer games are a gather up of people from everywhere with less spectators.
Referees went on strike in Dublin and last year. Abuse happens. The difference is it isn't tolerated.
And spare us the 'we are more passionate' justification
What shite are you spouting now? Who is the "we" ?
I am saying that GAA club matches probably have more of a crowd and the crowd has more of a connection to the team given the parish rule compared to an amateur soccer team who can transfer players in from everywhere.
I am also none the wiser as to whether the same abuse and vitriol is directed at referees in the amateur soccer league games.
You are saying that any better behaviour towords referees in soccer is because soccer fans aren't passionate enough to attack referees. Are you sure about that?
I think abuse of referees happens along the same lines in soccer. But the associations deal with it robustly, which simply doesn't happen in the GAA
Absolutely never said such a thing. If you have 200 people at a match, there is more likelihood of a trouble maker being in attendance compared to a crowd of 20.
Also with increased numbers comes increased chances of people clashing with each other, verbally or physically in the crowd.
I don't know how soccer deals with abuse of referees. I do know that there are far too many loopholes and appeals in GAA when it comes to punishments and sanctions. Instead of sucking it up and taking your medicine, a lot of people's first reaction is to try and get out of the suspension.
There should be zero tolerance to abuse of referees, in any shape or form. Without them, there would simply be no games.
Irish league and league of Ireland crowds dwarf gaa club games. Your argument is silly.
Don't BB.
You're right about LOI.
But pretty much every D1 club team in County Down would match or beat the attendances at Newry City and Warrenpoint Town.
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Quote from: ONeill on July 07, 2023, 09:53:10 AM
I've never been to an amateur or Sunday league soccer game - does the same go on there or is it worse at GAA games?
Never heard of a referee being stabbed at the soccer, so no.
But why even start the whataboutery
I don't think O'Neill is going for the "whataboutery" angle. Seemed like a genuine question to me.
I too would be interested in the answer. I am imaging there wouldn't be the same vitriol as you don't have the same parish vibes and that the soccer games are a gather up of people from everywhere with less spectators.
Referees went on strike in Dublin and last year. Abuse happens. The difference is it isn't tolerated.
And spare us the 'we are more passionate' justification
What shite are you spouting now? Who is the "we" ?
I am saying that GAA club matches probably have more of a crowd and the crowd has more of a connection to the team given the parish rule compared to an amateur soccer team who can transfer players in from everywhere.
I am also none the wiser as to whether the same abuse and vitriol is directed at referees in the amateur soccer league games.
You are saying that any better behaviour towords referees in soccer is because soccer fans aren't passionate enough to attack referees. Are you sure about that?
I think abuse of referees happens along the same lines in soccer. But the associations deal with it robustly, which simply doesn't happen in the GAA
Absolutely never said such a thing. If you have 200 people at a match, there is more likelihood of a trouble maker being in attendance compared to a crowd of 20.
Also with increased numbers comes increased chances of people clashing with each other, verbally or physically in the crowd.
I don't know how soccer deals with abuse of referees. I do know that there are far too many loopholes and appeals in GAA when it comes to punishments and sanctions. Instead of sucking it up and taking your medicine, a lot of people's first reaction is to try and get out of the suspension.
There should be zero tolerance to abuse of referees, in any shape or form. Without them, there would simply be no games.
Irish league and league of Ireland crowds dwarf gaa club games. Your argument is silly.
Don't BB.
You're right about LOI.
But pretty much every D1 club team in County Down would match or beat the attendances at Newry City and Warrenpoint Town.
And the last time a referee got stuck in the boot of a car, or hopped like the leinster final in the LoI was?
That was Rathnew in Wicklow years ago.
Biggest problem is supporters simply don't know the rules ( partially due to us messing around with the rules all the time, the shoulder (now side to side) and square ball rule always bring uproar. Last Monaghan tackle in normal time been a example then that idiot McGeeney coming on( He not got suspended yet for shouldering the Monaghan player?) From neutral games I am at, it's mostly men 50+ bellowing at a ref. When I tell him that call was correct there are unable to take the blinkers off. I stopped reffing at U-16, you spending half the time getting shouted at by persons who don't know the rules.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 07, 2023, 06:16:54 PM
That was Rathnew in Wicklow years ago.
Happened a bit closer to home too.
I got asked years ago to be a ref but said no. Takes a certain kind of person and you certainly need a thick skin.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 07, 2023, 06:22:24 PM
Biggest problem is supporters simply don't know the rules ( partially due to us messing around with the rules all the time, the shoulder (now side to side) and square ball rule always bring uproar. Last Monaghan tackle in normal time been a example then that idiot McGeeney coming on( He not got suspended yet for shouldering the Monaghan player?) From neutral games I am at, it's mostly men 50+ bellowing at a ref. When I tell him that call was correct there are unable to take the blinkers off. I stopped reffing at U-16, you spending half the time getting shouted at by persons who don't know the rules.
Be surprised if McGeeney does get any kind of suspension, never mind a hefty one, sure Armagh are out, move on, nothing to see here seems to be the GAA way
There needs to be clear parameters set out by the Gaa on how we communicate with referees. There needs to be a channel for parents, supporters to give feedback.Then a synchronised stand down across all clubs to set the boundaries with all members mandatory attendance. Cancel all matches that weekend.
Make sure all clubs, fans are clear on repercussions, with hefty bans for any incidents.
Then stick to the plan.
i see some are blaming drugs
Quote from: Whishtup on July 07, 2023, 07:05:29 PM
There needs to be clear parameters set out by the Gaa on how we communicate with referees. There needs to be a channel for parents, supporters to give feedback.Then a synchronised stand down across all clubs to set the boundaries with all members mandatory attendance. Cancel all matches that weekend.
Make sure all clubs, fans are clear on repercussions, with hefty bans for any incidents.
Then stick to the plan.
Channel what now? Feedback by who? Possibly the single worse idea I've ever seen committed to writing.
Communicate with ref? Isn't that the cause of most of the problems.
Let the ref, referee the game and play your own game/manage the team/support your team.
Absolute batshit crazy.
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Quote from: Whishtup on July 07, 2023, 07:05:29 PM
There needs to be clear parameters set out by the Gaa on how we communicate with referees. There needs to be a channel for parents, supporters to give feedback.Then a synchronised stand down across all clubs to set the boundaries with all members mandatory attendance. Cancel all matches that weekend.
Make sure all clubs, fans are clear on repercussions, with hefty bans for any incidents.
Then stick to the plan.
Channel what now? Feedback by who? Possibly the single worse idea I've ever seen committed to writing.
Communicate with ref? Isn't that the cause of most of the problems.
Let the ref, referee the game and play your own game/manage the team/support your team.
Absolute batshit crazy.
Nothing to see here, can we all just move on....? Just 36 pages worth in little over a year
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 07, 2023, 06:22:24 PM
Biggest problem is supporters simply don't know the rules ( partially due to us messing around with the rules all the time, the shoulder (now side to side) and square ball rule always bring uproar. Last Monaghan tackle in normal time been a example then that idiot McGeeney coming on( He not got suspended yet for shouldering the Monaghan player?) From neutral games I am at, it's mostly men 50+ bellowing at a ref. When I tell him that call was correct there are unable to take the blinkers off. I stopped reffing at U-16, you spending half the time getting shouted at by persons who don't know the rules.
Honestly you're as close as a lighthouse.
The biggest problem is that management/players/clubs refuse to believe that they can beaten by a better team. So when looking for a scapegoat they go straight for the referee.
It doesn't matter whether the referee has had a perfect game or not. It's easier to blame him than the star forward who dropped the easy pass (sure what a game he had apart from that) or the star defender who gave away the lazy free (sure what a game he had apart from that).
The blame culture is an illness in the GAA.
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There needs to be clear parameters set out by the Gaa on how we communicate with referees. There needs to be a channel for parents, supporters to give feedback.Then a synchronised stand down across all clubs to set the boundaries with all members mandatory attendance. Cancel all matches that weekend.
Make sure all clubs, fans are clear on repercussions, with hefty bans for any incidents.
Then stick to the plan.
Channel what now? Feedback by who? Possibly the single worse idea I've ever seen committed to writing.
Communicate with ref? Isn't that the cause of most of the problems.
Let the ref, referee the game and play your own game/manage the team/support your team.
Absolute batshit crazy.
Nothing to see here, can we all just move on....? Just 36 pages worth in little over a year
Absolutely not. That wasn't a response to what has happened. Far from it. It's to that crazy idea of giving a platform to give feedback to refs.
No one needs that "channel". When you go to game do what you're there for - play, manage or support. Not abuse or give feedback to a ref. How nuts would that be FFS.
Zero tolerance for those abusing the ref.
conspiracy culture creeping into the game aswell
Whishtup is on the windup
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There needs to be clear parameters set out by the Gaa on how we communicate with referees. There needs to be a channel for parents, supporters to give feedback.Then a synchronised stand down across all clubs to set the boundaries with all members mandatory attendance. Cancel all matches that weekend.
Make sure all clubs, fans are clear on repercussions, with hefty bans for any incidents.
Then stick to the plan.
Channel what now? Feedback by who? Possibly the single worse idea I've ever seen committed to writing.
Communicate with ref? Isn't that the cause of most of the problems.
Let the ref, referee the game and play your own game/manage the team/support your team.
Absolute batshit crazy.
Nothing to see here, can we all just move on....? Just 36 pages worth in little over a year
Absolutely not. That wasn't a response to what has happened. Far from it. It's to that crazy idea of giving a platform to give feedback to refs.
No one needs that "channel". When you go to game do what you're there for - play, manage or support. Not abuse or give feedback to a ref. How nuts would that be FFS.
Zero tolerance for those abusing the ref.
Jaysus, must have touched a nerve there. The whole reason there is abuse is because it is seen as the only way to get your point across. This GAA closed shop mentality is at the root of a lot of the problems. Need to be forward thinking, make the public feel like they have an option other than abuse.
There needs to be a correct channel available to air grievances back through your club in a dignified manner. A club rep then has that to feed back to the refs. Improvement and acknowledgement of errors needs to be at the heart of refereeing.
On the flip side, breaches of using the correct channels/abuse, should be severely punished.
So just the ref's errors or are we talking players, managers and so on? I'd say in a game a ref would probably get 3 or so calls wrong, I count, ten or twenty times mistakes bad calls or tactics in one match !
Add on the ludicrous claims for phantom frees or the questioning of obvious frees that they don't understand the rules?
That's where this channel for parents supporters players and managers needs to sorted for.
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There needs to be clear parameters set out by the Gaa on how we communicate with referees. There needs to be a channel for parents, supporters to give feedback.Then a synchronised stand down across all clubs to set the boundaries with all members mandatory attendance. Cancel all matches that weekend.
Make sure all clubs, fans are clear on repercussions, with hefty bans for any incidents.
Then stick to the plan.
Channel what now? Feedback by who? Possibly the single worse idea I've ever seen committed to writing.
Communicate with ref? Isn't that the cause of most of the problems.
Let the ref, referee the game and play your own game/manage the team/support your team.
Absolute batshit crazy.
Nothing to see here, can we all just move on....? Just 36 pages worth in little over a year
Absolutely not. That wasn't a response to what has happened. Far from it. It's to that crazy idea of giving a platform to give feedback to refs.
No one needs that "channel". When you go to game do what you're there for - play, manage or support. Not abuse or give feedback to a ref. How nuts would that be FFS.
Zero tolerance for those abusing the ref.
Jaysus, must have touched a nerve there. The whole reason there is abuse is because it is seen as the only way to get your point across. This GAA closed shop mentality is at the root of a lot of the problems. Need to be forward thinking, make the public feel like they have an option other than abuse.
There needs to be a correct channel available to air grievances back through your club in a dignified manner. A club rep then has that to feed back to the refs. Improvement and acknowledgement of errors needs to be at the heart of refereeing.
On the flip side, breaches of using the correct channels/abuse, should be severely punished.
It gets better ;D ;D ;D
Fair play. You've a great imagination.
Has to be a Wind up. Is this one of Ollys burner accounts?
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Quote from: Louther on July 07, 2023, 07:59:41 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on July 07, 2023, 07:05:29 PM
There needs to be clear parameters set out by the Gaa on how we communicate with referees. There needs to be a channel for parents, supporters to give feedback.Then a synchronised stand down across all clubs to set the boundaries with all members mandatory attendance. Cancel all matches that weekend.
Make sure all clubs, fans are clear on repercussions, with hefty bans for any incidents.
Then stick to the plan.
Channel what now? Feedback by who? Possibly the single worse idea I've ever seen committed to writing.
Communicate with ref? Isn't that the cause of most of the problems.
Let the ref, referee the game and play your own game/manage the team/support your team.
Absolute batshit crazy.
Nothing to see here, can we all just move on....? Just 36 pages worth in little over a year
Absolutely not. That wasn't a response to what has happened. Far from it. It's to that crazy idea of giving a platform to give feedback to refs.
No one needs that "channel". When you go to game do what you're there for - play, manage or support. Not abuse or give feedback to a ref. How nuts would that be FFS.
Zero tolerance for those abusing the ref.
Jaysus, must have touched a nerve there. The whole reason there is abuse is because it is seen as the only way to get your point across. This GAA closed shop mentality is at the root of a lot of the problems. Need to be forward thinking, make the public feel like they have an option other than abuse.
There needs to be a correct channel available to air grievances back through your club in a dignified manner. A club rep then has that to feed back to the refs. Improvement and acknowledgement of errors needs to be at the heart of refereeing.
On the flip side, breaches of using the correct channels/abuse, should be severely punished.
It gets better ;D ;D ;D
Fair play. You've a great imagination.
Has to be a Wind up. Is this one of Ollys burner accounts?
What part of that can't you deal with/are afraid of?
You can do something about verbals from players and coaches, with red cards, and later, suspensions/fines.
But you can't yellow card a spectator for shouting abuse at officials , and spectators know that. So you can clean up on the pitch. Off the pitch is a different matter
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You can do something about verbals from players and coaches, with red cards, and later, suspensions/fines.
But you can't yellow card a spectator for shouting abuse at officials , and spectators know that. So you can clean up on the pitch. Off the pitch is a different matter
You can abandon the game if you feel threaten, whether that abuse comes from player's management or from outside the line, fill in report as to why and let CCC deal with it
Clubs should be warned/ punished if referees are threatened by players or spectators. But it's about creating a culture by letting people know what the repercussions are first. Code of conduct may as well be toilet paper at the minute.
seems to be a problem with local hardman wannabe mouthpeices turning up to gaa matches maybe only players management and medical people should be allowed in ground
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The referee in this case refereed on behalf of Ballinderry; has he changed clubs or was there a conscious decision by Tyrone county board to get an "outside" referee for championship games?
I think referees can move to other counties if the matches fees are higher - Tyrone referees definitely do games in Fermanagh
Happens all the time, Derry has Tyrone and Donegal refs on their list.
One of the text pieces from the WhatsApps last night was that Chicken 'fixed the game for Cookstown to win'... Jesus wept
Another I heard was that the referee "was bad for both teams"
What does this even mean?!? If a referee is bad for one team would that not be good for the other team? I am so confused by the logic.
Conor Lane was brutal for both teams on Saturday.....
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The referee in this case refereed on behalf of Ballinderry; has he changed clubs or was there a conscious decision by Tyrone county board to get an "outside" referee for championship games?
I think referees can move to other counties if the matches fees are higher - Tyrone referees definitely do games in Fermanagh
Happens all the time, Derry has Tyrone and Donegal refs on their list.
One of the text pieces from the WhatsApps last night was that Chicken 'fixed the game for Cookstown to win'... Jesus wept
Another I heard was that the referee "was bad for both teams"
What does this even mean?!? If a referee is bad for one team would that not be good for the other team? I am so confused by the logic.
Conor Lane was brutal for both teams on Saturday.....
You're brutal, all about opinions ya see
Leave referees alone lads.
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Would urge all to tread lightly and with any compassion that can be mustered. This thread could take a very rough turn but it's all relative and we are never in control of all the facts.
I've known him since we went to school together. A very smart man in his topics of interest, his posts were most informative. But he was socially and emotionally on the shorter side of the stick. Would have endured loneliness at best and bullies at worst as a teenager and young man. Having a family member in this kind of space myself - it's not quite vulnerable adult but it's also not fully fledged everything is going well type adulthood either. Unless you've lived it you never have a clue what these individuals endure in their formative years. It's heartbreaking.
It's a horrible event, I'll be glad to hear when the injured parties and scared children etc involved are improving. And I hope he gets the help and structure he needs.
Edit: I'd noticed his posts here and his social media presence had dissappeared last year and was worried. I really do hope he gets some help as all was clearly not well when that happened.
Well said Puckoon, this was definitely not the man we both know. Life has not been easy for him and has lost some family members in the not too distant past, things were obviously not all well with him. My heart goes out to his family as I am sure they are very afraid for what lies ahead of him. His father would have been at the game and is as diehard a GAA man as you would ever find, he himself has not been physically well of late and after losing a daughter this is the last thing he would have needed. This is not a good situation
Well said, Puckoon. The family must be in shock. Hopefully he gets the treatment he needs.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 07, 2023, 04:56:52 PM
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Irish league and league of Ireland crowds dwarf crowds at club games. Your argument is silly.
In Dublin that is true, it's not accurate for many other counties. Club attendances, league and championship in Dublin are essentially family members. Outside of Dublin club league matches would usually be a few hundred and championship (depending on structure) would generally be 4 figures.
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Quote from: thewobbler on July 07, 2023, 10:15:39 AM
This will likely be an unpopular opinion, but referees have been feeding this beast for years, by turning a blind eye during matches, and accepting post-match apologies deliberately feigned to ensure a more favourable report. And now they can no longer control the beast.
Now they need to take control again, which means getting together and forcing through a new code, along the lines of:
1. personal abuse from player or mentor - immediate red card.
2. more than two instances from the one side - match abandoned.
3. abuse from supporters - registered as a complaint with their CCCC. Every second complaint sees the reversal of a home match, or a requirement to play with no spectators for a match.
And re no. 1, suspensions should work on a multiplier level and carried over two seasons. First offence, 1 match ban. Second instance, two match ban, and so on.
Perhaps more importantly, they need to police this from within. If they find tgat one of their own is being lenient on personal abuse, then sanction him.
One season of learning and heartache for players, mentors and supporters would clean up football forever.
This kind of approach seems necessary. Personal abuse should not be tolerated at any level.
Agree with this.
One simple change I would take is the AFL approach of moving the ball forward 50m rather than 10m (14m?) for any mouthing or backchat from players. You very rarely see it in AFL because it is such a huge penalty.
Players might soon keep their mouths shut if every transgression is likely to give a shot at goal. If the players/coaches are not constantly guldering that will reduce vitriol in the crowd.
Love both of these approaches and the appeals process needs cleaned up too - we need to start accepting the consequences of our actions and not scurry around looking for loopholes.
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Would urge all to tread lightly and with any compassion that can be mustered. This thread could take a very rough turn but it's all relative and we are never in control of all the facts.
I've known him since we went to school together. A very smart man in his topics of interest, his posts were most informative. But he was socially and emotionally on the shorter side of the stick. Would have endured loneliness at best and bullies at worst as a teenager and young man. Having a family member in this kind of space myself - it's not quite vulnerable adult but it's also not fully fledged everything is going well type adulthood either. Unless you've lived it you never have a clue what these individuals endure in their formative years. It's heartbreaking.
It's a horrible event, I'll be glad to hear when the injured parties and scared children etc involved are improving. And I hope he gets the help and structure he needs.
Edit: I'd noticed his posts here and his social media presence had dissappeared last year and was worried. I really do hope he gets some help as all was clearly not well when that happened.
Well said Puckoon, this was definitely not the man we both know. Life has not been easy for him and has lost some family members in the not too distant past, things were obviously not all well with him. My heart goes out to his family as I am sure they are very afraid for what lies ahead of him. His father would have been at the game and is as diehard a GAA man as you would ever find, he himself has not been physically well of late and after losing a daughter this is the last thing he would have needed. This is not a good situation
Well said, Puckoon. The family must be in shock. Hopefully he gets the treatment he needs.
Keeping him away from GAA games might be a start!!
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Would urge all to tread lightly and with any compassion that can be mustered. This thread could take a very rough turn but it's all relative and we are never in control of all the facts.
I've known him since we went to school together. A very smart man in his topics of interest, his posts were most informative. But he was socially and emotionally on the shorter side of the stick. Would have endured loneliness at best and bullies at worst as a teenager and young man. Having a family member in this kind of space myself - it's not quite vulnerable adult but it's also not fully fledged everything is going well type adulthood either. Unless you've lived it you never have a clue what these individuals endure in their formative years. It's heartbreaking.
It's a horrible event, I'll be glad to hear when the injured parties and scared children etc involved are improving. And I hope he gets the help and structure he needs.
Edit: I'd noticed his posts here and his social media presence had dissappeared last year and was worried. I really do hope he gets some help as all was clearly not well when that happened.
Well said Puckoon, this was definitely not the man we both know. Life has not been easy for him and has lost some family members in the not too distant past, things were obviously not all well with him. My heart goes out to his family as I am sure they are very afraid for what lies ahead of him. His father would have been at the game and is as diehard a GAA man as you would ever find, he himself has not been physically well of late and after losing a daughter this is the last thing he would have needed. This is not a good situation
Well said, Puckoon. The family must be in shock. Hopefully he gets the treatment he needs.
Keeping him away from GAA games might be a start!!
Apart from any jail etc, any sentence for an assault at a sports ground should come with a lifetime ban from sports grounds.
the ref assaulted reffed a match last night fair play to him
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Would urge all to tread lightly and with any compassion that can be mustered. This thread could take a very rough turn but it's all relative and we are never in control of all the facts.
I've known him since we went to school together. A very smart man in his topics of interest, his posts were most informative. But he was socially and emotionally on the shorter side of the stick. Would have endured loneliness at best and bullies at worst as a teenager and young man. Having a family member in this kind of space myself - it's not quite vulnerable adult but it's also not fully fledged everything is going well type adulthood either. Unless you've lived it you never have a clue what these individuals endure in their formative years. It's heartbreaking.
It's a horrible event, I'll be glad to hear when the injured parties and scared children etc involved are improving. And I hope he gets the help and structure he needs.
Edit: I'd noticed his posts here and his social media presence had dissappeared last year and was worried. I really do hope he gets some help as all was clearly not well when that happened.
Well said Puckoon, this was definitely not the man we both know. Life has not been easy for him and has lost some family members in the not too distant past, things were obviously not all well with him. My heart goes out to his family as I am sure they are very afraid for what lies ahead of him. His father would have been at the game and is as diehard a GAA man as you would ever find, he himself has not been physically well of late and after losing a daughter this is the last thing he would have needed. This is not a good situation
Well said, Puckoon. The family must be in shock. Hopefully he gets the treatment he needs.
Great Post.
This Man had issues obviously and his love of Fintona pushed him to the point where he thought producing and using a weapon was a good idea.
That's a hell of a love to be fair.
He'll have plenty of time to sort out his issues when facing two counts of assault with a deadly weapon
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He'll have plenty of time to sort out his issues when facing two counts of assault with a deadly weapon
There are some very good lawyers in Tyrone. And he might get a magistrate with a sympathetic ear towards the emotion of GAA.
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He'll have plenty of time to sort out his issues when facing two counts of assault with a deadly weapon
There are some very good lawyers in Tyrone. And he might get a magistrate with a sympathetic ear towards the emotion of GAA.
I'm sure there are a million hard luck stories the magistrates hear. Unprovoked attack with a deadly weapon at a kids game. Though nothing surprises me, probably get two years suspended sentence.
some people need to stop making the gaa their whole identity.
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some people need to stop making the gaa their whole identity.
I think so too.
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He'll have plenty of time to sort out his issues when facing two counts of assault with a deadly weapon
There are some very good lawyers in Tyrone. And he might get a magistrate with a sympathetic ear towards the emotion of GAA.
Maybe Mickey Harte could write one of those character reference letters he's so fond of for him.
Until the time that refs ref games fairly and unbiased, these things will continue to happen
Some of those on the inter county stage are a disgrace
This is not supporting violence against decent men (mostly) trying their best, often in hostle environments
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Until the time that refs ref games fairly and unbiased, these things will continue to happen
Some of those on the inter county stage are a disgrace
This is not supporting violence against decent men (mostly) trying their best, often in hostle environments
You're a dick. And until dicks like you f**k off and stop using ordinary people's oxygen we'll continue to have dicks coming on to the field of play to try and kill someone.
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Quote from: Dire Ear on July 08, 2023, 08:04:04 PM
Until the time that refs ref games fairly and unbiased, these things will continue to happen
Some of those on the inter county stage are a disgrace
This is not supporting violence against decent men (mostly) trying their best, often in hostle environments
You're a dick. And until dicks like you f**k off and stop using ordinary people's oxygen we'll continue to have dicks coming on to the field of play to try and kill someone.
You've an awful chip on your shoulder. An awful lot of refs are shite. Accept it. Yes they aren't helped by the rule book and violence against them is inexcusable but Christ cstch yourself on
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Until the time that refs ref games fairly and unbiased, these things will continue to happen
Some of those on the inter county stage are a disgrace
This is not supporting violence against decent men (mostly) trying their best, often in hostle environments
You're a dick. And until dicks like you f**k off and stop using ordinary people's oxygen we'll continue to have dicks coming on to the field of play to try and kill someone.
You've an awful chip on your shoulder. An awful lot of refs are shite. Accept it. Yes they aren't helped by the rule book and violence against them is inexcusable but Christ cstch yourself on
You and him remind me of people that condone rapists, cause she was a woman
The decisions on this match were noteworthy to say the least. It was beyond intense.
Gerald just went wrong. The club knows this.
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The decisions on this match were noteworthy to say the least. It was beyond intense.
Gerald just went wrong. The club knows this.
? Are you defending this? Every game I've been at the ref makes a mistake or two, I've yet to see anyone getting stabbed, or two people getting stabbed for that matter, in Tyrone is this normal behaviour?
The 2 people he stabbed includes himself.
Not to be pendantic about it or anything.
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The 2 people he stabbed includes himself.
Not to be pendantic about it or anything.
Oh, that's ok then, phew, for a moment I thought he was out of order
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The 2 people he stabbed includes himself.
Not to be pendantic about it or anything.
Oh, that's ok then, phew, for a moment I thought he was out of order
Where did I say anything you're suggesting there? I was just pointing out the inaccuracies of the news reports.
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The 2 people he stabbed includes himself.
Not to be pendantic about it or anything.
Oh, that's ok then, phew, for a moment I thought he was out of order
Where did I say anything you're suggesting there? I was just pointing out the inaccuracies of the news reports.
No you're correct, the inaccuracies are crazy, explain what actually happened again
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The 2 people he stabbed includes himself.
Not to be pendantic about it or anything.
Oh, that's ok then, phew, for a moment I thought he was out of order
Where did I say anything you're suggesting there? I was just pointing out the inaccuracies of the news reports.
No you're correct, the inaccuracies are crazy, explain what actually happened again
Stabbed a Cookstown person in the leg who was intervening.
Stabbed himself in ensuing melee.
Happy enough?
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Quote from: square_ball on July 08, 2023, 11:08:18 PM
The 2 people he stabbed includes himself.
Not to be pendantic about it or anything.
Oh, that's ok then, phew, for a moment I thought he was out of order
Where did I say anything you're suggesting there? I was just pointing out the inaccuracies of the news reports.
No you're correct, the inaccuracies are crazy, explain what actually happened again
Stabbed a Cookstown person in the leg who was intervening.
Stabbed himself in ensuing melee.
Happy enough?
The picture of chicken reffin last nite he seemed to have small bandage on arm. Sorry to interject
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The 2 people he stabbed includes himself.
Not to be pendantic about it or anything.
Oh, that's ok then, phew, for a moment I thought he was out of order
Where did I say anything you're suggesting there? I was just pointing out the inaccuracies of the news reports.
No you're correct, the inaccuracies are crazy, explain what actually happened again
Stabbed a Cookstown person in the leg who was intervening.
Stabbed himself in ensuing melee.
Happy enough?
So a person enters the field of a juvenile game where kids were playing football, attempted to stab/murder one person, misses, stabs someone else then stabs himself?
Ok, thanks for clearing that up. Hopefully that's it sorted.
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Quote from: square_ball on July 08, 2023, 11:08:18 PM
The 2 people he stabbed includes himself.
Not to be pendantic about it or anything.
Oh, that's ok then, phew, for a moment I thought he was out of order
Where did I say anything you're suggesting there? I was just pointing out the inaccuracies of the news reports.
No you're correct, the inaccuracies are crazy, explain what actually happened again
Stabbed a Cookstown person in the leg who was intervening.
Stabbed himself in ensuing melee.
Happy enough?
So a person enters the field of a juvenile game where kids were playing football, attempted to stab/murder one person, misses, stabs someone else then stabs himself?
Ok, thanks for clearing that up. Hopefully that's it sorted.
Yeah I don't think he intended to stab himself. In the ensuing melee he nicked himself with the knife.
Glad to be of service in clearing that up for you.
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Quote from: square_ball on July 08, 2023, 11:08:18 PM
The 2 people he stabbed includes himself.
Not to be pendantic about it or anything.
Oh, that's ok then, phew, for a moment I thought he was out of order
Where did I say anything you're suggesting there? I was just pointing out the inaccuracies of the news reports.
No you're correct, the inaccuracies are crazy, explain what actually happened again
Stabbed a Cookstown person in the leg who was intervening.
Stabbed himself in ensuing melee.
Happy enough?
So a person enters the field of a juvenile game where kids were playing football, attempted to stab/murder one person, misses, stabs someone else then stabs himself?
Ok, thanks for clearing that up. Hopefully that's it sorted.
Yeah I don't think he intended to stab himself. In the ensuing melee he nicked himself with the knife.
Glad to be of service in clearing that up for you.
I suppose he was just trying to show him his new Swiss Army knife and slipped before showing him and accidentally catching himself and the other guy by mistake.. brilliant defence
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Quote from: square_ball on July 08, 2023, 11:08:18 PM
The 2 people he stabbed includes himself.
Not to be pendantic about it or anything.
Oh, that's ok then, phew, for a moment I thought he was out of order
Where did I say anything you're suggesting there? I was just pointing out the inaccuracies of the news reports.
No you're correct, the inaccuracies are crazy, explain what actually happened again
Stabbed a Cookstown person in the leg who was intervening.
Stabbed himself in ensuing melee.
Happy enough?
So a person enters the field of a juvenile game where kids were playing football, attempted to stab/murder one person, misses, stabs someone else then stabs himself?
Ok, thanks for clearing that up. Hopefully that's it sorted.
Yeah I don't think he intended to stab himself. In the ensuing melee he nicked himself with the knife.
Glad to be of service in clearing that up for you.
I suppose he was just trying to show him his new Swiss Army knife and slipped before showing him and accidentally catching himself and the other guy by mistake.. brilliant defence
No I don't think that's what he was up to to be honest. That's a pretty far fetched scenario you have going on in that head of yours.
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The 2 people he stabbed includes himself.
Not to be pendantic about it or anything.
Oh, that's ok then, phew, for a moment I thought he was out of order
Where did I say anything you're suggesting there? I was just pointing out the inaccuracies of the news reports.
No you're correct, the inaccuracies are crazy, explain what actually happened again
Stabbed a Cookstown person in the leg who was intervening.
Stabbed himself in ensuing melee.
Happy enough?
So a person enters the field of a juvenile game where kids were playing football, attempted to stab/murder one person, misses, stabs someone else then stabs himself?
Ok, thanks for clearing that up. Hopefully that's it sorted.
Yeah I don't think he intended to stab himself. In the ensuing melee he nicked himself with the knife.
Glad to be of service in clearing that up for you.
I suppose he was just trying to show him his new Swiss Army knife and slipped before showing him and accidentally catching himself and the other guy by mistake.. brilliant defence
No I don't think that's what he was up to to be honest. That's a pretty far fetched scenario you have going on in that head of yours.
Ok, just wondering if you are down playing it, you seem close to what happened, give me your view on why someone would try and attempt to kill someone on the pitch of a juvenile game?
Back in the day we thought this was far fetched
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fmxWHMIbUWM
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The 2 people he stabbed includes himself.
Not to be pendantic about it or anything.
Oh, that's ok then, phew, for a moment I thought he was out of order
Where did I say anything you're suggesting there? I was just pointing out the inaccuracies of the news reports.
No you're correct, the inaccuracies are crazy, explain what actually happened again
Stabbed a Cookstown person in the leg who was intervening.
Stabbed himself in ensuing melee.
Happy enough?
So a person enters the field of a juvenile game where kids were playing football, attempted to stab/murder one person, misses, stabs someone else then stabs himself?
Ok, thanks for clearing that up. Hopefully that's it sorted.
Yeah I don't think he intended to stab himself. In the ensuing melee he nicked himself with the knife.
Glad to be of service in clearing that up for you.
I suppose he was just trying to show him his new Swiss Army knife and slipped before showing him and accidentally catching himself and the other guy by mistake.. brilliant defence
No I don't think that's what he was up to to be honest. That's a pretty far fetched scenario you have going on in that head of yours.
Ok, just wondering if you are down playing it, you seem close to what happened, give me your view on why someone would try and attempt to kill someone on the pitch of a juvenile game?
I'm downplaying absolutely nothing at all. If you look at what I've said since it happened that the police need to come down hard on the individual and county board need to punish him and his club and that this will hopefully be the start of a wider campaign to get abuse of officials under control (I'll not hold my breath on that one).
I am not for one second downplaying the fact that someone would even think about attacking a referee never mind with a knife at an u16 game. All I originally said was it was himself and the Cookstown person that were the 2 people stabbed that has been mentioned in news reports.
And that's the proper approach rather than, the ref was at fault, the game was fixed, he was bad for both teams, he cheated, he was too slow, he didn't know the rules, he didn't help himself approach others on here have used
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Until the time that refs ref games fairly and unbiased, these things will continue to happen
Some of those on the inter county stage are a disgrace
This is not supporting violence against decent men (mostly) trying their best, often in hostle environments
You're a dick. And until dicks like you f**k off and stop using ordinary people's oxygen we'll continue to have dicks coming on to the field of play to try and kill someone.
You've an awful chip on your shoulder. An awful lot of refs are shite. Accept it. Yes they aren't helped by the rule book and violence against them is inexcusable but Christ cstch yourself on
You and him remind me of people that condone rapists, cause she was a woman
what are you on about now? Who's condoning violence? Strange strange attitude you have
A fair bit of "I don't support stabbing Refs but..."
I'll humour you Armagh18, tell me your thoughts as to why he attempted to murder someone at a juvenile game?
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I'll humour you Armagh18, tell me your thoughts as to why he attempted to murder someone at a juvenile game?
I've no idea, presumably you'd need to have mental issues to carry a knife with you to a kids match? Heard rumours that he had an issue with the ref pre anything that happened at the match? Don't know him or the ref but from what I've read the fella has mental health problems.
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I'll humour you Armagh18, tell me your thoughts as to why he attempted to murder someone at a juvenile game?
I've no idea, presumably you'd need to have mental issues to carry a knife with you to a kids match? Heard rumours that he had an issue with the ref pre anything that happened at the match? Don't know him or the ref but from what I've read the fella has mental health problems.
You've no idea, so just leave it at that?
If he had issues with the ref, then premeditated? Was this from a non ref related thing from what you've heard?
Let me put it this way, the ref regardless of the rule book or how tight the game was or who won or lost should not be looking over his shoulder for a manic chasing him with a knife. I'm as passionate as the next GAA man, involved for over 40 years, I'll not be trying to stab someone if a decision goes against my team. Nor will I blame the rules or ref's
You mention shit ref's, you fail to mention players coaches and supporters who haven't a clue about the rules, when you do the training past the tests it's easy enough to understand.
Maybe the club players/coaches/managers should learn the rules past the tests each season.
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I'll humour you Armagh18, tell me your thoughts as to why he attempted to murder someone at a juvenile game?
I've no idea, presumably you'd need to have mental issues to carry a knife with you to a kids match? Heard rumours that he had an issue with the ref pre anything that happened at the match? Don't know him or the ref but from what I've read the fella has mental health problems.
Mental health problems seems to be the popular excuse everyone uses these days.
probably maybe because the guy made a gaa club his whole identity so him thinking there was a conspiracy against his clubs felt like a personal attack on him
Quote from: Eire90 on July 09, 2023, 05:36:07 PM
probably maybe because the guy made a gaa club his whole identity so him thinking there was a conspiracy against his clubs felt like a personal attack on him
Depending on the individual and the circumstances this can be a negative as much as a positive, the events in Cookstown is a prime example of the former.
Jail is full of people with mental health issues, but this apparently (rumour) down to having a grievance with the ref before the game?
Either way this can't carry on, the excusing and then questioning the ref's and rules as being some sort of reasoning needs quashed.
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Quote from: Dire Ear on July 08, 2023, 08:04:04 PM
Until the time that refs ref games fairly and unbiased, these things will continue to happen
Some of those on the inter county stage are a disgrace
This is not supporting violence against decent men (mostly) trying their best, often in hostle environments
You're a dick. And until dicks like you f**k off and stop using ordinary people's oxygen we'll continue to have dicks coming on to the field of play to try and kill someone.
Typical arrogance from someone who thinks they're better than others...
Few in Derry have a grievance with him, on and off the field, but that for another time. Nothing to do with fball.
Quote from: Dire Ear on July 08, 2023, 08:04:04 PM
Until the time that refs ref games fairly and unbiased, these things will continue to happen
Some of those on the inter county stage are a disgrace
This is not supporting violence against decent men (mostly) trying their best, often in hostle environments
Have a word with yourself ffs. What referee anywhere is showing bias???
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 09, 2023, 09:46:54 AM
I'll humour you Armagh18, tell me your thoughts as to why he attempted to murder someone at a juvenile game?
Has he been charged with attempted murder ?
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 09, 2023, 09:46:54 AM
I'll humour you Armagh18, tell me your thoughts as to why he attempted to murder someone at a juvenile game?
Has he been charged with attempted murder ?
I don't know but it wasn't attempted hugging. Pull a knife and stab someone, what would your view on his actions?
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Jail is full of people with mental health issues, but this apparently (rumour) down to having a grievance with the ref before the game?
Either way this can't carry on, the excusing and then questioning the ref's and rules as being some sort of reasoning needs quashed.
A mental institution is the place for them not a jail.
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Quote from: Kidder81 on July 09, 2023, 06:45:37 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 09, 2023, 09:46:54 AM
I'll humour you Armagh18, tell me your thoughts as to why he attempted to murder someone at a juvenile game?
Has he been charged with attempted murder ?
I don't know but it wasn't attempted hugging. Pull a knife and stab someone, what would your view on his actions?
To inflict harm
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 09, 2023, 06:53:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 09, 2023, 06:03:39 PM
Jail is full of people with mental health issues, but this apparently (rumour) down to having a grievance with the ref before the game?
Either way this can't carry on, the excusing and then questioning the ref's and rules as being some sort of reasoning needs quashed.
A mental institution is the place for them not a jail.
+1
Doesn't take much to do serious harm with a knife, hit someone in the wrong place and it could be goodnight for the victim. This guy should never be let near a GAA ground or any sports ground for that matter again.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 09, 2023, 06:57:32 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 09, 2023, 06:53:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 09, 2023, 06:03:39 PM
Jail is full of people with mental health issues, but this apparently (rumour) down to having a grievance with the ref before the game?
Either way this can't carry on, the excusing and then questioning the ref's and rules as being some sort of reasoning needs quashed.
A mental institution is the place for them not a jail.
+1
But sure which is it? Had he issues with this guy as some have said or mental health issues?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 09, 2023, 07:06:42 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 09, 2023, 06:57:32 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 09, 2023, 06:53:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 09, 2023, 06:03:39 PM
Jail is full of people with mental health issues, but this apparently (rumour) down to having a grievance with the ref before the game?
Either way this can't carry on, the excusing and then questioning the ref's and rules as being some sort of reasoning needs quashed.
A mental institution is the place for them not a jail.
+1
But sure which is it? Had he issues with this guy as some have said or mental health issues?
I'm sure he had a post on the depression thread a couple of years ago outlining his mental well being or lack of it
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 09, 2023, 07:06:42 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 09, 2023, 06:57:32 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 09, 2023, 06:53:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 09, 2023, 06:03:39 PM
Jail is full of people with mental health issues, but this apparently (rumour) down to having a grievance with the ref before the game?
Either way this can't carry on, the excusing and then questioning the ref's and rules as being some sort of reasoning needs quashed.
A mental institution is the place for them not a jail.
+1
But sure which is it? Had he issues with this guy as some have said or mental health issues?
You made the statement above about "jails being full of people with mental health isssues", which points up to a deeper societal problem IMHO. That being said, any individual who brings a knife out, period, whether to a game or whatever, needs to be dealt with, whether that involves a game or whatever.
https://twitter.com/bewarmers/status/1678091626437124096?s=46&t=zMI0pHqP8aYtYYerofczvg
Disgrace.. wouldn't get this at the football
Quote from: Kidder81 on July 09, 2023, 06:55:23 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 09, 2023, 06:48:37 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on July 09, 2023, 06:45:37 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 09, 2023, 09:46:54 AM
I'll humour you Armagh18, tell me your thoughts as to why he attempted to murder someone at a juvenile game?
Has he been charged with attempted murder ?
I don't know but it wasn't attempted hugging. Pull a knife and stab someone, what would your view on his actions?
To inflict harm
So stabbing people can be viewed as wounding with intent or GBH
If you stab somebody intending to seriously injure them and they don't die then the offence is GBH (Grievous Bodily Harm) and in theory at least the sentence could be life imprisonment although in practice it would be 3 to 15 years.
If you stab somebody deliberately without the intent to seriously injure them then the offence is wounding with intent and the maximum sentence is five years. However it seems unlikely that the use of a serious blade would be charged as wounding with intent..
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 09, 2023, 07:15:42 PM
https://twitter.com/bewarmers/status/1678091626437124096?s=46&t=zMI0pHqP8aYtYYerofczvg
Disgrace.. wouldn't get this at the football
Poor chap probably has mental health issues god love him.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 09, 2023, 07:10:37 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 09, 2023, 07:06:42 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 09, 2023, 06:57:32 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 09, 2023, 06:53:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 09, 2023, 06:03:39 PM
Jail is full of people with mental health issues, but this apparently (rumour) down to having a grievance with the ref before the game?
Either way this can't carry on, the excusing and then questioning the ref's and rules as being some sort of reasoning needs quashed.
A mental institution is the place for them not a jail.
+1
But sure which is it? Had he issues with this guy as some have said or mental health issues?
You made the statement above about "jails being full of people with mental health isssues", which points up to a deeper societal problem IMHO. That being said, any individual who brings a knife out, period, whether to a game or whatever, needs to be dealt with, whether that involves a game or whatever.
Jails are full of people with mental health issues, mental health is wide ranging and falls into many categories.
This guy entered the field of play with the sole intent of causing harm with a knife, he wasn't provoked or attacked or wasn't it self defence.
If that was a family member friend or your kids were playing you'd not be as sympathetic as some are being.
This narrative that the ref's are shite and game was rigged the rules need looked at would be laughable if it wasn't so serious
On top of that via social media the dregs of loyalist supporters are using this as another stick to beat the hard working GAA men and women with.
Said already if he's mental health issues that were already known, questions need to be asked as to his involvement with club/juveniles and so on.
Luckily no one died, but that shouldn't ease the seriousness of attacks at games either among players or officials. Will the GAA act when someone is actually murdered?
I'm not excusing the assailant here in the slightest, in any shape or form, and the performance of the, or any, ref is irrelevant, it just should not be an item of this discussion. GAA refs, in general, are much more deserving of the usual sporting respect that refs are currently in receipt of elsewhere, and as should apply equally in Gaelic Games.
The individual in question here, whoever he may be, is likely more in need of help than reprobation, however, the carrying of a knife to whichever sporting venue is simply unconscionable, and the die is already cast in that respect.
Was it a knife ? I saw someone here saying earlier it was an umbrella ?
Quote from: Kidder81 on July 09, 2023, 07:59:45 PM
Was it a knife ? I saw someone here saying earlier it was an umbrella ?
Believe it was a pen-knife.
Quote from: jcpen on July 09, 2023, 07:19:37 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 09, 2023, 07:15:42 PM
https://twitter.com/bewarmers/status/1678091626437124096?s=46&t=zMI0pHqP8aYtYYerofczvg
Disgrace.. wouldn't get this at the football
Poor chap probably has mental health issues god love him.
another ejit with that haircut
Quote from: Eire90 on July 09, 2023, 08:28:11 PM
Quote from: jcpen on July 09, 2023, 07:19:37 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 09, 2023, 07:15:42 PM
https://twitter.com/bewarmers/status/1678091626437124096?s=46&t=zMI0pHqP8aYtYYerofczvg
Disgrace.. wouldn't get this at the football
Poor chap probably has mental health issues god love him.
another ejit with that haircut
It's a 3 second clip, how do we know he didn't get a dig to start it off
Quote from: Kidder81 on July 09, 2023, 08:29:33 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on July 09, 2023, 08:28:11 PM
Quote from: jcpen on July 09, 2023, 07:19:37 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 09, 2023, 07:15:42 PM
https://twitter.com/bewarmers/status/1678091626437124096?s=46&t=zMI0pHqP8aYtYYerofczvg
Disgrace.. wouldn't get this at the football
Poor chap probably has mental health issues god love him.
From the Kilkenny girl?
another ejit with that haircut
It's a 3 second clip, how do we know he didn't get a dig to start it off
Quote from: Kidder81 on July 09, 2023, 07:09:47 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 09, 2023, 07:06:42 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 09, 2023, 06:57:32 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 09, 2023, 06:53:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 09, 2023, 06:03:39 PM
Jail is full of people with mental health issues, but this apparently (rumour) down to having a grievance with the ref before the game?
Either way this can’t carry on, the excusing and then questioning the ref’s and rules as being some sort of reasoning needs quashed.
A mental institution is the place for them not a jail.
+1
But sure which is it? Had he issues with this guy as some have said or mental health issues?
I’m sure he had a post on the depression thread a couple of years ago outlining his mental well being or lack of it
He did, said he was suffering with his mental health for 13 years back in 2013. Don't know the full story of this case however I know of previous incidents whereby mild manner people have suddenly become violent with a mere change of medication or not taking their medication.
@Fear ón Srath Bán I agree it certainly points to deeper societal problem when so many people with mental issues are in Jail.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 09, 2023, 08:34:04 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on July 09, 2023, 08:29:33 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on July 09, 2023, 08:28:11 PM
Quote from: jcpen on July 09, 2023, 07:19:37 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 09, 2023, 07:15:42 PM
https://twitter.com/bewarmers/status/1678091626437124096?s=46&t=zMI0pHqP8aYtYYerofczvg
Disgrace.. wouldn't get this at the football
Poor chap probably has mental health issues god love him.
From the Kilkenny girl?
another ejit with that haircut
It's a 3 second clip, how do we know he didn't get a dig to start it off
It's obvious he wasn't trying to hit the Kilkenny girl, there is a fella behind her ffs. She got caught in the middle
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 09, 2023, 09:05:50 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on July 09, 2023, 07:09:47 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 09, 2023, 07:06:42 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 09, 2023, 06:57:32 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 09, 2023, 06:53:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 09, 2023, 06:03:39 PM
Jail is full of people with mental health issues, but this apparently (rumour) down to having a grievance with the ref before the game?
Either way this can't carry on, the excusing and then questioning the ref's and rules as being some sort of reasoning needs quashed.
A mental institution is the place for them not a jail.
+1
But sure which is it? Had he issues with this guy as some have said or mental health issues?
I'm sure he had a post on the depression thread a couple of years ago outlining his mental well being or lack of it
He did, said he was suffering with his mental health for 13 years back in 2013. Don't know the full story of this case however I know of previous incidents whereby mild manner people have suddenly become violent with a mere change of medication or not taking their medication.
@Fear ón Srath Bán I agree it certainly points to deeper societal problem when so many people with mental issues are in Jail.
Thanks man, and agree, Reagan, & Thatcher, et al., with their deregulated market shite have really fucked this society up! ;)
Quote from: Kidder81 on July 09, 2023, 09:12:07 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 09, 2023, 08:34:04 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on July 09, 2023, 08:29:33 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on July 09, 2023, 08:28:11 PM
Quote from: jcpen on July 09, 2023, 07:19:37 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 09, 2023, 07:15:42 PM
https://twitter.com/bewarmers/status/1678091626437124096?s=46&t=zMI0pHqP8aYtYYerofczvg
Disgrace.. wouldn't get this at the football
Poor chap probably has mental health issues god love him.
From the Kilkenny girl?
another ejit with that haircut
It's a 3 second clip, how do we know he didn't get a dig to start it off
It's obvious he wasn't trying to hit the Kilkenny girl, there is a fella behind her ffs. She got caught in the middle
Ah sure that's ok then
Seen mckeevers in Rushmere had a sale on for Clare jerseys alright. Wonder will that one get as much coverage as the Monaghan and Armagh one
Quote from: jcpen on July 09, 2023, 07:19:37 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 09, 2023, 07:15:42 PM
https://twitter.com/bewarmers/status/1678091626437124096?s=46&t=zMI0pHqP8aYtYYerofczvg
Disgrace.. wouldn't get this at the football
Poor chap probably has mental health issues god love him.
Clearly see his mental health issues, he's wearing a Clare jersey
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 09, 2023, 09:28:30 PM
Seen mckeevers in Rushmere had a sale on for Clare jerseys alright. Wonder will that one get as much coverage as the Monaghan and Armagh one
Monkey sees monkey does
Nothing but a fair lot of scum following teams these days. Nearly as bad as the soccer. They have to start seperating them in the hill.
The sky ain't falling really - https://www.rte.ie/archives/2017/0825/899876-dublin-tyrone-turf-war/
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 09, 2023, 09:43:56 PM
Nothing but a fair lot of scum following teams these days. Nearly as bad as the soccer. They have to start seperating them in the hill.
Is that true though? When was the last row at a soccer game?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 10, 2023, 02:22:37 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 09, 2023, 09:43:56 PM
Nothing but a fair lot of scum following teams these days. Nearly as bad as the soccer. They have to start seperating them in the hill.
Is that true though? When was the last row at a soccer game?
Wasn't there a row at the fai cup final last year? Gardai had to wade into the shelbourne end to pull some lads out
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 09, 2023, 09:43:56 PM
Nothing but a fair lot of scum following teams these days. Nearly as bad as the soccer. They have to start seperating them in the hill.
It's much worse than soccer.
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 10, 2023, 08:12:43 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 09, 2023, 09:43:56 PM
Nothing but a fair lot of scum following teams these days. Nearly as bad as the soccer. They have to start seperating them in the hill.
It's much worse than soccer.
fans are separated in soccer. Rows would be fairly common outside of stadiums in soccer would they?
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 10, 2023, 10:26:28 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 10, 2023, 08:12:43 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 09, 2023, 09:43:56 PM
Nothing but a fair lot of scum following teams these days. Nearly as bad as the soccer. They have to start seperating them in the hill.
It's much worse than soccer.
fans are separated in soccer. Rows would be fairly common outside of stadiums in soccer would they?
No.
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 10, 2023, 10:26:28 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 10, 2023, 08:12:43 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 09, 2023, 09:43:56 PM
Nothing but a fair lot of scum following teams these days. Nearly as bad as the soccer. They have to start seperating them in the hill.
It's much worse than soccer.
fans are separated in soccer. Rows would be fairly common outside of stadiums in soccer would they?
No.
Quote from: markl121 on July 10, 2023, 07:14:15 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 10, 2023, 02:22:37 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 09, 2023, 09:43:56 PM
Nothing but a fair lot of scum following teams these days. Nearly as bad as the soccer. They have to start seperating them in the hill.
Is that true though? When was the last row at a soccer game?
Wasn't there a row at the fai cup final last year? Gardai had to wade into the shelbourne end to pull some lads out
Yes, there was. Fair enough, but that was November and I don't recall anything else this sesson or last.
In the meantime how many incidents at GAA games?
I think the days of pointing at soccer as a bad example are long gone.
I have to agree with that. Soccer is such a bad example of a sport to compare to it, often ran by a corrupt mercenary organisation counting ultras and fascists among supporters. The GAA needs to keep its own standards and keep them better...
Quote from: rrhf on July 10, 2023, 12:10:45 PM
I have to agree with that. Soccer is such a bad example of a sport to compare to it, often ran by a corrupt mercenary organisation counting ultras and fascists among supporters. The GAA needs to keep its own standards and keep them better...
Those well known Irish soccer fascists...
Gaago? Not mercinary?
Why are we even talkimg about soccer?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 10, 2023, 01:13:13 PM
Quote from: rrhf on July 10, 2023, 12:10:45 PM
I have to agree with that. Soccer is such a bad example of a sport to compare to it, often ran by a corrupt mercenary organisation counting ultras and fascists among supporters. The GAA needs to keep its own standards and keep them better...
Those well known Irish soccer fascists...
Gaago? Not mercinary?
Why are we even talkimg about soccer?
Agreed
Shouldn't even be mentioned in this discussion
The GAA have an issue and it needs resolved
Hopefully we don't get to the stage where we need to forcibly segregate supporters as that is just the absolute pits
But any and all solutions should remain on the table
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 10, 2023, 01:13:13 PM
Quote from: rrhf on July 10, 2023, 12:10:45 PM
I have to agree with that. Soccer is such a bad example of a sport to compare to it, often ran by a corrupt mercenary organisation counting ultras and fascists among supporters. The GAA needs to keep its own standards and keep them better...
Those well known Irish soccer fascists...
Gaago? Not mercinary?
Why are we even talkimg about soccer?
Because it has had to segregate its followers for the last 50 years maybe?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 10, 2023, 11:48:09 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 10, 2023, 10:26:28 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 10, 2023, 08:12:43 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 09, 2023, 09:43:56 PM
Nothing but a fair lot of scum following teams these days. Nearly as bad as the soccer. They have to start seperating them in the hill.
It's much worse than soccer.
fans are separated in soccer. Rows would be fairly common outside of stadiums in soccer would they?
No.
Yes. Plenty of rows in the lower leagues in England. They just dont get reported. Also a lot involving prem teams. Unfortunately I have been caught up in them before
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 10, 2023, 11:51:50 AM
Quote from: markl121 on July 10, 2023, 07:14:15 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 10, 2023, 02:22:37 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 09, 2023, 09:43:56 PM
Nothing but a fair lot of scum following teams these days. Nearly as bad as the soccer. They have to start seperating them in the hill.
Is that true though? When was the last row at a soccer game?
Wasn't there a row at the fai cup final last year? Gardai had to wade into the shelbourne end to pull some lads out
Yes, there was. Fair enough, but that was November and I don't recall anything else this sesson or last.
In the meantime how many incidents at GAA games?
I think the days of pointing at soccer as a bad example are long gone.
I think the GAA is going to get worse before it gets better.
Quote from: Franko on July 10, 2023, 01:18:24 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 10, 2023, 01:13:13 PM
Quote from: rrhf on July 10, 2023, 12:10:45 PM
I have to agree with that. Soccer is such a bad example of a sport to compare to it, often ran by a corrupt mercenary organisation counting ultras and fascists among supporters. The GAA needs to keep its own standards and keep them better...
Those well known Irish soccer fascists...
Gaago? Not mercinary?
Why are we even talkimg about soccer?
Agreed
Shouldn't even be mentioned in this discussion
The GAA have an issue and it needs resolved
Hopefully we don't get to the stage where we need to forcibly segregate supporters as that is just the absolute pits
But any and all solutions should remain on the table
It does seem to be only on the terraces where there are issues because you get groups of "friends" in one area and they are all tough men when they have a few around them.
Drink and Drugs are a major contributory factor and nothing is going to change there so its hard to know the best way for the GAA to deal with this. Someday someone is going to get a box and smash there head off a concrete step and then they will be forced into action.
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 10, 2023, 01:36:51 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 10, 2023, 11:48:09 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 10, 2023, 10:26:28 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 10, 2023, 08:12:43 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 09, 2023, 09:43:56 PM
Nothing but a fair lot of scum following teams these days. Nearly as bad as the soccer. They have to start seperating them in the hill.
It's much worse than soccer.
fans are separated in soccer. Rows would be fairly common outside of stadiums in soccer would they?
No.
Yes. Plenty of rows in the lower leagues in England. They just dont get reported. Also a lot involving prem teams. Unfortunately I have been caught up in them before
What has England got to do with it?
Quote from: Rossfan on July 10, 2023, 01:21:54 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 10, 2023, 01:13:13 PM
Quote from: rrhf on July 10, 2023, 12:10:45 PM
I have to agree with that. Soccer is such a bad example of a sport to compare to it, often ran by a corrupt mercenary organisation counting ultras and fascists among supporters. The GAA needs to keep its own standards and keep them better...
Those well known Irish soccer fascists...
Gaago? Not mercinary?
Why are we even talkimg about soccer?
Because it has had to segregate its followers for the last 50 years maybe?
Because of a FIFA rule, not because of Irish fascists.
Was there any trouble at the Setanta Cup matches this year?!!
Quote from: Cavan19 on July 10, 2023, 02:24:41 PM
Quote from: Franko on July 10, 2023, 01:18:24 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 10, 2023, 01:13:13 PM
Quote from: rrhf on July 10, 2023, 12:10:45 PM
I have to agree with that. Soccer is such a bad example of a sport to compare to it, often ran by a corrupt mercenary organisation counting ultras and fascists among supporters. The GAA needs to keep its own standards and keep them better...
Those well known Irish soccer fascists...
Gaago? Not mercinary?
Why are we even talkimg about soccer?
Agreed
Shouldn't even be mentioned in this discussion
The GAA have an issue and it needs resolved
Hopefully we don't get to the stage where we need to forcibly segregate supporters as that is just the absolute pits
But any and all solutions should remain on the table
It does seem to be only on the terraces where there are issues because you get groups of "friends" in one area and they are all tough men when they have a few around them.
Drink and Drugs are a major contributory factor and nothing is going to change there so its hard to know the best way for the GAA to deal with this. Someday someone is going to get a box and smash there head off a concrete step and then they will be forced into action.
They can start with refusing entry to people off their heads on drink or/and drugs.
Quote from: restorepride on July 10, 2023, 03:58:44 PM
Was there any trouble at the Setanta Cup matches this year?!!
The Setanta Cup that ended 9 years ago?
The smoking gun that soccer has a bigger problem is fascists, lower league English football and a defunct competition...?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 10, 2023, 02:22:37 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 09, 2023, 09:43:56 PM
Nothing but a fair lot of scum following teams these days. Nearly as bad as the soccer. They have to start seperating them in the hill.
Is that true though? When was the last row at a soccer game?
Trouble at a recent Cork City game in the past 2 months
And they the Club who were chanting at an opposition manager whos son had or has Leukemia
The likes of you need not try to paint Irish soccer as cleaner than thou when the opposite is the case.
Theres a strange defending off soccer here by some and pretending it's much better than GAA.
Barely 2 months ago a referee was hospitalised in a local soccer match after being kung fu kicked by a sub running onto the field and Gardai/FAI investigated RTE reported on it, he got 5 year ban
Dublin referees were going to go on strike last November because referees were being assaulted
FAI Cup final had large crowd trouble in recent years and other LOI matches
Quite frankly though I think much of the issues in both sports are more about the decline in behaviour in society in this country and lack of morals, manners and punishments.
https://twitter.com/thegaeliccorner/status/1678422125030375427?s=46&t=zMI0pHqP8aYtYYerofczvg
Girl there with a cut above her eye and a fella with a busted nose, think it's time to separate the Hill if shit like this is going to keep happening.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 10, 2023, 05:10:23 PM
Quote from: restorepride on July 10, 2023, 03:58:44 PM
Was there any trouble at the Setanta Cup matches this year?!!
The Setanta Cup that ended 9 years ago?
The smoking gun that soccer has a bigger problem is fascists, lower league English football and a defunct competition...?
Why did it end?
Quote from: full moon on July 10, 2023, 05:17:09 PM
Theres a strange defending off soccer here by some and pretending it's much better than GAA.
Barely 2 months ago a referee was hospitalised in a local soccer match after being kung fu kicked by a sub running onto the field and Gardai/FAI investigated RTE reported on it, he got 5 year ban
Dublin referees were going to go on strike last November because referees were being assaulted
FAI Cup final had large crowd trouble in recent years and other LOI matches
Quite frankly though I think much of the issues in both sports are more about the decline in behaviour in society in this country and lack of morals, manners and punishments.
No, there is an objection to whataboutery. Soccer has dramatically cleaned up it's act. Every incident you referenced saw multi year or lifetime bans. Compare and contrast. What crowd trouble at LoI games orhen than the cup final?
We should be able to discuss trouble at our games without reference to soccer, especially incorrect references to soccer.
Quote from: restorepride on July 10, 2023, 05:20:25 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 10, 2023, 05:10:23 PM
Quote from: restorepride on July 10, 2023, 03:58:44 PM
Was there any trouble at the Setanta Cup matches this year?!!
The Setanta Cup that ended 9 years ago?
The smoking gun that soccer has a bigger problem is fascists, lower league English football and a defunct competition...?
Why did it end?
A combination of a dying sponsor and nordies not enjoying their on field hidings.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 10, 2023, 05:24:56 PM
Quote from: restorepride on July 10, 2023, 05:20:25 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 10, 2023, 05:10:23 PM
Quote from: restorepride on July 10, 2023, 03:58:44 PM
Was there any trouble at the Setanta Cup matches this year?!!
The Setanta Cup that ended 9 years ago?
The smoking gun that soccer has a bigger problem is fascists, lower league English football and a defunct competition...?
Why did it end?
A combination of a dying sponsor and nordies not enjoying their on field hidings.
And ...... ? Go on ... tell us.
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Was there any trouble at the Setanta Cup matches this year?!!
The Setanta Cup that ended 9 years ago?
The smoking gun that soccer has a bigger problem is fascists, lower league English football and a defunct competition...?
Why did it end?
A combination of a dying sponsor and nordies not enjoying their on field hidings.
And ...... ? Go on ... tell us.
Literally just did. Setanta Sports went bankrupt and the IFA teams went cold on it.
What relevance is this to drunk and bagged youths fighting on the Hill?
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Was there any trouble at the Setanta Cup matches this year?!!
The Setanta Cup that ended 9 years ago?
The smoking gun that soccer has a bigger problem is fascists, lower league English football and a defunct competition...?
Why did it end?
A combination of a dying sponsor and nordies not enjoying their on field hidings.
And ...... ? Go on ... tell us.
Literally just did. Setanta Sports went bankrupt and the IFA teams went cold on it.
What relevance is this to drunk and bagged youths fighting on the Hill?
Hardly any at all, really!
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/windsor-riot-sectarian-thugs-wont-kill-setanta-cup-competition-football-boss-vows-after-linfield-shamrock-rovers-mayhem/29126776.html
Why are we talking about Rovers v the PSNI more than 10 years ago?
is it cocaine thats fuelling it
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Theres a strange defending off soccer here by some and pretending it's much better than GAA.
Barely 2 months ago a referee was hospitalised in a local soccer match after being kung fu kicked by a sub running onto the field and Gardai/FAI investigated RTE reported on it, he got 5 year ban
Dublin referees were going to go on strike last November because referees were being assaulted
FAI Cup final had large crowd trouble in recent years and other LOI matches
Quite frankly though I think much of the issues in both sports are more about the decline in behaviour in society in this country and lack of morals, manners and punishments.
No, there is an objection to whataboutery. Soccer has dramatically cleaned up it's act. Every incident you referenced saw multi year or lifetime bans. Compare and contrast. What crowd trouble at LoI games orhen than the cup final?
We should be able to discuss trouble at our games without reference to soccer, especially incorrect references to soccer.
Soccer is your game,Pal
Dont you ever stop defending it
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Nothing but a fair lot of scum following teams these days. Nearly as bad as the soccer. They have to start seperating them in the hill.
It's much worse than soccer.
fans are separated in soccer. Rows would be fairly common outside of stadiums in soccer would they?
No.
Yes. Plenty of rows in the lower leagues in England. They just dont get reported. Also a lot involving prem teams. Unfortunately I have been caught up in them before
What has England got to do with it?
thought we meant soccer in general. In soccer up here you still get the odd fight between supporters but it would be more to do with loyalist infighting
Used to live in the street where the away supporters got into Cliftonville's ground, the hack of 'normal' adults heading into the ground would sicken your hole, peeing in the gardens, scraping cars with metal objects shouting sectarian slogans and basically just being animals.
Just the strangest of beings. I'd have watched them from the window and recognised loads from work at the time and come Monday morning they seem fine ;D
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He'll have plenty of time to sort out his issues when facing two counts of assault with a deadly weapon
There are some very good lawyers in Tyrone. And he might get a magistrate with a sympathetic ear towards the emotion of GAA.
I'm sure there are a million hard luck stories the magistrates hear. Unprovoked attack with a deadly weapon at a kids game. Though nothing surprises me, probably get two years suspended sentence.
Was just thinking about this. What happens if both parties decide not to press charges?
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He'll have plenty of time to sort out his issues when facing two counts of assault with a deadly weapon
There are some very good lawyers in Tyrone. And he might get a magistrate with a sympathetic ear towards the emotion of GAA.
I'm sure there are a million hard luck stories the magistrates hear. Unprovoked attack with a deadly weapon at a kids game. Though nothing surprises me, probably get two years suspended sentence.
Was just thinking about this. What happens if both parties decide not to press charges?
Think it goes past that, if the PPS feel there is a case to answer, it's out of others hands, but why would someone not want this to go further?
though I personally have experience of not looking take something further and apparently it wasn't a choice we had, though nothing has come of it thankfully, though it was completely different circumstances
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He'll have plenty of time to sort out his issues when facing two counts of assault with a deadly weapon
There are some very good lawyers in Tyrone. And he might get a magistrate with a sympathetic ear towards the emotion of GAA.
I'm sure there are a million hard luck stories the magistrates hear. Unprovoked attack with a deadly weapon at a kids game. Though nothing surprises me, probably get two years suspended sentence.
Was just thinking about this. What happens if both parties decide not to press charges?
Think it goes past that, if the PPS feel there is a case to answer, it's out of others hands, but why would someone not want this to go further?
though I personally have experience of not looking take something further and apparently it wasn't a choice we had, though nothing has come of it thankfully, though it was completely different circumstances
Was thinking the kindness of the GAA member knows no bounds. If I was I in victims position and the dust settled I might think of not pressing as he is clearly an avid GAA man with serious problems who made a huge mistake. But maybe that's just me.
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He'll have plenty of time to sort out his issues when facing two counts of assault with a deadly weapon
There are some very good lawyers in Tyrone. And he might get a magistrate with a sympathetic ear towards the emotion of GAA.
I'm sure there are a million hard luck stories the magistrates hear. Unprovoked attack with a deadly weapon at a kids game. Though nothing surprises me, probably get two years suspended sentence.
Was just thinking about this. What happens if both parties decide not to press charges?
Think it goes past that, if the PPS feel there is a case to answer, it's out of others hands, but why would someone not want this to go further?
though I personally have experience of not looking take something further and apparently it wasn't a choice we had, though nothing has come of it thankfully, though it was completely different circumstances
Was thinking the kindness of the GAA member knows no bounds. If I was I in victims position and the dust settled I might think of not pressing as he is clearly an avid GAA man with serious problems who made a huge mistake. But maybe that's just me.
If you or one of your kids was stabbed you'd just think it was just a moment of madness and let it go?
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He'll have plenty of time to sort out his issues when facing two counts of assault with a deadly weapon
There are some very good lawyers in Tyrone. And he might get a magistrate with a sympathetic ear towards the emotion of GAA.
I'm sure there are a million hard luck stories the magistrates hear. Unprovoked attack with a deadly weapon at a kids game. Though nothing surprises me, probably get two years suspended sentence.
Was just thinking about this. What happens if both parties decide not to press charges?
Think it goes past that, if the PPS feel there is a case to answer, it's out of others hands, but why would someone not want this to go further?
though I personally have experience of not looking take something further and apparently it wasn't a choice we had, though nothing has come of it thankfully, though it was completely different circumstances
Was thinking the kindness of the GAA member knows no bounds. If I was I in victims position and the dust settled I might think of not pressing as he is clearly an avid GAA man with serious problems who made a huge mistake. But maybe that's just me.
If you or one of your kids was stabbed you'd just think it was just a moment of madness and let it go?
I didn't mention kids. And I said I might let it go myself if I thought about the circumstances and party involved.
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He'll have plenty of time to sort out his issues when facing two counts of assault with a deadly weapon
There are some very good lawyers in Tyrone. And he might get a magistrate with a sympathetic ear towards the emotion of GAA.
I'm sure there are a million hard luck stories the magistrates hear. Unprovoked attack with a deadly weapon at a kids game. Though nothing surprises me, probably get two years suspended sentence.
Was just thinking about this. What happens if both parties decide not to press charges?
Think it goes past that, if the PPS feel there is a case to answer, it's out of others hands, but why would someone not want this to go further?
though I personally have experience of not looking take something further and apparently it wasn't a choice we had, though nothing has come of it thankfully, though it was completely different circumstances
Was thinking the kindness of the GAA member knows no bounds. If I was I in victims position and the dust settled I might think of not pressing as he is clearly an avid GAA man with serious problems who made a huge mistake. But maybe that's just me.
If you or one of your kids was stabbed you'd just think it was just a moment of madness and let it go?
I didn't mention kids. And I said I might let it go myself if I thought about the circumstances and party involved.
As I mentioned earlier, most people in jail have some mental health issues, related to lots of different things in their childhood, environment or just unlucky bad shit. So we just excuse it because they are mad GAA men?
I mentioned kids because kids were there, on the pitch, witnessing someone attack people with a knife, had a child, your child accidentally been caught up in that, you're happy to let it slide? Seriously?
reports of people throwing flares at games too.
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reports of people throwing flares at games too.
lots of flares at the Armagh Down semi final in Clones. Big crackdown on them for the final then but obviously missed the fecking firework some idiot brought to the final and let off on the hill after the penalties
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He'll have plenty of time to sort out his issues when facing two counts of assault with a deadly weapon
There are some very good lawyers in Tyrone. And he might get a magistrate with a sympathetic ear towards the emotion of GAA.
I'm sure there are a million hard luck stories the magistrates hear. Unprovoked attack with a deadly weapon at a kids game. Though nothing surprises me, probably get two years suspended sentence.
Was just thinking about this. What happens if both parties decide not to press charges?
The state can still prosecute if there is evidence
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Cops shouldn't be involved in GAA matters anyway......
And if that GAA matter is a stabbing?
I know of on incident where a shoe full of urine was thrown in a terrace at a certain hurling match this year
Did the person piss in his own shoe while there. The walk out the gate would have been interesting. Dad whys yer man only got one shoe. Sure hes the boy that threw the shoe filled with piss son.
Or did he bring an extra shoe in the knowledge that he would at some stage be pissing in a shoe to throw
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Cops shouldn't be involved in GAA matters anyway......
And if that GAA matter is a stabbing?
Think it's satire.... I hope.
There must also be loads of incidents that are never reported on.
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Did the person piss in his own shoe while there. The walk out the gate would have been interesting. Dad whys yer man only got one shoe. Sure hes the boy that threw the shoe filled with piss son.
Or did he bring an extra shoe in the knowledge that he would at some stage be pissing in a shoe to throw
I believe they pissed in both shoes of a fan who was already asleep from excess
Robbie Savage used to take a dump in the referee's changing room at half time if he didn't like what he was doing.
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Did the person piss in his own shoe while there. The walk out the gate would have been interesting. Dad whys yer man only got one shoe. Sure hes the boy that threw the shoe filled with piss son.
Or did he bring an extra shoe in the knowledge that he would at some stage be pissing in a shoe to throw
;D You have to plan these things carefully just in case the ref may be bad.
Robbie Savage took a dump in the refs changing rooms before kick off and didn't flush. He was fined 10k. Expensive dump.
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He'll have plenty of time to sort out his issues when facing two counts of assault with a deadly weapon
There are some very good lawyers in Tyrone. And he might get a magistrate with a sympathetic ear towards the emotion of GAA.
I'm sure there are a million hard luck stories the magistrates hear. Unprovoked attack with a deadly weapon at a kids game. Though nothing surprises me, probably get two years suspended sentence.
Was just thinking about this. What happens if both parties decide not to press charges?
Think it goes past that, if the PPS feel there is a case to answer, it's out of others hands, but why would someone not want this to go further?
though I personally have experience of not looking take something further and apparently it wasn't a choice we had, though nothing has come of it thankfully, though it was completely different circumstances
Was thinking the kindness of the GAA member knows no bounds. If I was I in victims position and the dust settled I might think of not pressing as he is clearly an avid GAA man with serious problems who made a huge mistake. But maybe that's just me.
That is just you. Prosecution is required.
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Nothing but a fair lot of scum following teams these days. Nearly as bad as the soccer. They have to start seperating them in the hill.
It's much worse than soccer.
fans are separated in soccer. Rows would be fairly common outside of stadiums in soccer would they?
No.
Ah now, rovers and bohs fans are notorious for getting it on before matches. Pats and bohs too and rovers and pats have all had incidents before and during games.
I'm not saying it's endemic, but it happens quite a bit and is much more orchestrated than them stupid fisticuffs between drink fans on the hill - which I'm not condoning btw.
As for people saying it's societal and illustrates a decline, seriously?? O'Neill showed incidents from the 70's and 80's, but I'm sure everyone has stories of the type of violence that used to go on both to refs, on the pitch and amongst the spectators - looked thru the lens of history, these stories have become hilarious local legends, but my guess is they weren't much fun as they were being lived!
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Nothing but a fair lot of scum following teams these days. Nearly as bad as the soccer. They have to start seperating them in the hill.
It's much worse than soccer.
fans are separated in soccer. Rows would be fairly common outside of stadiums in soccer would they?
No.
Ah now, rovers and bohs fans are notorious for getting it on before matches. Pats and bohs too and rovers and pats have all had incidents before and during games.
I'm not saying it's endemic, but it happens quite a bit and is much more orchestrated than them stupid fisticuffs between drink fans on the hill - which I'm not condoning btw.
As for people saying it's societal and illustrates a decline, seriously?? O'Neill showed incidents from the 70's and 80's, but I'm sure everyone has stories of the type of violence that used to go on both to refs, on the pitch and amongst the spectators - looked thru the lens of history, these stories have become hilarious local legends, but my guess is they weren't much fun as they were being lived!
I think the point is it is by and large a thing of the past. I can't recall the last time there was trouble other thsn the cup final. Certainly not since covid.
But we are still talking about soccer as if it matters
Video from the Dublin championship, man with a hurl clashed a sub around the head without a helmet, could have been killed
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Video from the Dublin championship, man with a hurl clashed a sub around the head without a helmet, could have been killed
The sub was acting the bollocks dunting guys on the periphery of the row and got clipped round the ear. All very needless going by the video.
more toxicness with grown adults with small man in small village syndrome.
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Video from the Dublin championship, man with a hurl clashed a sub around the head without a helmet, could have been killed
The sub was acting the bollocks dunting guys on the periphery of the row and got clipped round the ear. All very needless going by the video.
you could hear the smack off it, the lads ears would have been ringing...
Nice to see someone went to the game on a bike so brownie points for being ecological aware.
The Down lads at it again few tasty ones going around on whatsapp!
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 01, 2023, 10:15:54 PMThe Down lads at it again few tasty ones going around on whatsapp!
If that team in yellow, had have put the same amount of effort into their playing game that the did for the digging match at the end they could have been a lot closer..
Regardless of how it started and so on, the videos are disgraceful
Was it really that bad or have I just become immune to it all, or whatever the word is..
It was messy enough. A lot of these things that are portrayed as really bad don't even have digs thrown but there were a right few there.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on October 02, 2023, 09:19:28 AMWas it really that bad or have I just become immune to it all, or whatever the word is..
Couldnt have been... I dont see Rian O'Neill in any of the clips.
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If that team in yellow, had have put the same amount of effort into their playing game that the did for the digging match at the end they could have been a lot closer..
Regardless of how it started and so on, the videos are disgraceful
No love lost between them 2 teams for sure. Took Kilcoo to extra time and penalties last year in Down semi but nowhere near them this year. Kilcoo boys wouldn't have got a box for nothing but in the videos it's all Clonduff.
Embarrassing from Clonduff. Sore losers or was there something that genuinely set them off? Expect this sort of stuff in league matches but why in a championship semi final when the results not in doubt and the things gonna be all over tv and social media?
I'm hearing there may have been justification for throwing a few slaps last night. Disgusting mouthing from the county champions if true.
what would be the justification morally to hit someone would it be stuff said about family members racism etc
Quote from: Eire90 on October 02, 2023, 07:48:56 PMwhat would be the justification morally to hit someone would it be stuff said about family members racism etc
Hearing stuff was said thats truly disgusting but going nuclear will not justify anything
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Hearing stuff was said thats truly disgusting but going nuclear will not justify anything
I obviously depends on what is being said.
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Hearing stuff was said thats truly disgusting but going nuclear will not justify anything
I obviously depends on what is being said.
There's been a few one punch deaths recently, this is what can happen
Quote from: Lotto on October 02, 2023, 07:37:15 PMI'm hearing there may have been justification for throwing a few slaps last night. Disgusting mouthing from the county champions if true.
Would not doubt it one bit with them boys. Regular thing going from underage up. Bit of sledging is the norm and can usually be laughed off but them boys are another level.
Quote from: Lotto on October 02, 2023, 07:37:15 PMI'm hearing there may have been justification for throwing a few slaps last night. Disgusting mouthing from the county champions if true.
if what I have heard is true then yeah, the Clonduff boys will feel that was justification
What was said? DM me if you don't want to repeat it publicly.
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 03, 2023, 07:47:14 AMQuote from: Lotto on October 02, 2023, 07:37:15 PMI'm hearing there may have been justification for throwing a few slaps last night. Disgusting mouthing from the county champions if true.
if what I have heard is true then yeah, the Clonduff boys will feel that was justification
Jeez if what was said is true!!! then this has no place in football and it's no wonder certain clonduff boys went nuclear
Really despicable if true
Names changed to protect the guilty and a few allegedlys and you will be grand to repeat it on here.
Spill the beans...
Be interesting to see the ref report, if he was within earshot of what was said to spark this off..
That said, this does nothing for the sport and the only time the GAA in the North is in the news is generally for on field pitch battles rather than what it does for the local towns and villages up and down the country
If you have a grievance with what's been said, go meet the guy and have a ding dong with him on his own
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if what I have heard is true then yeah, the Clonduff boys will feel that was justification
Can I get a DM of what was said?
f**k me someone have a set of balls and post what was said
The jist of it in my understanding is that some lad has a family member who suffered abuse as a youngster and some players allegedly commented on this.
I see the club has posted a statement in this regard.
Quote from: lurganblue on October 03, 2023, 09:42:55 AMThe jist of it in my understanding is that some lad has a family member who suffered abuse as a youngster and some players allegedly commented on this.
I see the club has posted a statement in this regard.
Would well believe they'd say that sort of thing.
Racial abuse vs Crossmaglen
Partner + family sledging vs Glen (watch Glass's interview)
Child abuse sledging vs a particular Down referee
Child abuse sledging vs Clonduff
Deceased family member sledging vs Mayobridge
But poor Kilcoo. Always the victims, it's never their fault
Tyrone boys wouldn't even be that low
Quote from: 5times5times on October 03, 2023, 10:06:20 AMRacial abuse vs Crossmaglen
Partner + family sledging vs Glen (watch Glass's interview)
Child abuse sledging vs a particular Down referee
Child abuse sledging vs Clonduff
But poor Kilcoo. Always the victims, it's never their fault
Also abuse in relation to a dead grandmother of a Mayobridge player a few years ago too. Think was also family sledging to Aidan Forker when they played Maghery a few years back.
There can be no smoke without a fire. The general consensus around the county and further afield is that Kilcoo are a bunch of scumbags. I am taking away nothing from the quality of footballers they have
Quote from: samuel maguire on October 03, 2023, 10:56:23 AMThere can be no smoke without a fire. The general consensus around the county and further afield is that Kilcoo are a bunch of scumbags. I am taking away nothing from the quality of footballers they have
its a shame they resort to that as they are good enough to not need to
I thought it was common knowledge, that this is on their repertoire. Plenty chat outside Down, about them, am sure those within down football who watch league and championship football over the years, would have more ears to the ground on the way this outfit gets on.
its a new level of low if they are stalking peoples social media profiles to use for sledging porposes.
Quote from: Eire90 on October 03, 2023, 02:28:50 PMits a new level of low if they are stalking peoples social media profiles to use for sledging porposes.
This isn't a new thing and it's certainly not specific to Kilcoo, nor Down.
One of our lads was targeted a good few years back against a South Derry team about his ma, girlfriends títs etc etc obviously from SM, it didn't end there and followed on to the Hatfield later that night, but the lad in question got his comeuppance on the Monday morning and wasn't so brave when it was a one-on-one.
Loose lips cause teeth to get knocked out and all that!
f**k sake does it never end? Of course Kilcoo will deny it but they are not coming from the highest of moral high grounds. Happened when I played too, giving and receiving. The worst I got though was away off ye black bastard and the worst I gave was tell your Ma I'll get my shoes later type thing (generally in response to a similar type jibe in fairness). If what is alleged to have been said was said then the countries screwed. Sad state altogether
Quote from: johnnycool on October 03, 2023, 02:56:18 PMQuote from: Eire90 on October 03, 2023, 02:28:50 PMits a new level of low if they are stalking peoples social media profiles to use for sledging porposes.
This isn't a new thing and it's certainly not specific to Kilcoo, nor Down.
One of our lads was targeted a good few years back against a South Derry team about his ma, girlfriends títs etc etc obviously from SM, it didn't end there and followed on to the Hatfield later that night, but the lad in question got his comeuppance on the Monday morning and wasn't so brave when it was a one-on-one.
Loose lips cause teeth to get knocked out and all that!
Easily solved in this day and age, equip each player with a microphone.
Quote from: johnnycool on October 03, 2023, 02:56:18 PMQuote from: Eire90 on October 03, 2023, 02:28:50 PMits a new level of low if they are stalking peoples social media profiles to use for sledging porposes.
This isn't a new thing and it's certainly not specific to Kilcoo, nor Down.
One of our lads was targeted a good few years back against a South Derry team about his ma, girlfriends títs etc etc obviously from SM, it didn't end there and followed on to the Hatfield later that night, but the lad in question got his comeuppance on the Monday morning and wasn't so brave when it was a one-on-one.
Loose lips cause teeth to get knocked out and all that!
club hurling final 2017?
Got to admit,I played for years at a lower level, and verbals were very little, outside of a rough city team. But back then, there were many bad fights, my own team a regularly guilty part, maybe it was the fear of getting badly hurt that limited alot of verbals back then.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 03, 2023, 04:10:19 PMQuote from: johnnycool on October 03, 2023, 02:56:18 PMQuote from: Eire90 on October 03, 2023, 02:28:50 PMits a new level of low if they are stalking peoples social media profiles to use for sledging porposes.
This isn't a new thing and it's certainly not specific to Kilcoo, nor Down.
One of our lads was targeted a good few years back against a South Derry team about his ma, girlfriends títs etc etc obviously from SM, it didn't end there and followed on to the Hatfield later that night, but the lad in question got his comeuppance on the Monday morning and wasn't so brave when it was a one-on-one.
Loose lips cause teeth to get knocked out and all that!
Easily solved in this day and age, equip each player with a microphone.
Camera vests like 👮� 🚓 👮�
Sarcasm, in case Puckoon is reading.
Quote from: 5times5times on October 03, 2023, 10:06:20 AMRacial abuse vs Crossmaglen
Partner + family sledging vs Glen (watch Glass's interview)
Child abuse sledging vs a particular Down referee
Child abuse sledging vs Clonduff
Deceased family member sledging vs Mayobridge
But poor Kilcoo. Always the victims, it's never their fault
The sledging about child abuse is particularly squalid; esp as it's a major concern for the GAA
It's something I said I'd try this year and didn't bother, but will certainly give it a go next. Body camera, sure what harm could it do? Would certainly produce some red faces at a CCC meeting and clear up any issues with regards to players actions, and ref's ;D
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 03, 2023, 11:28:46 PMIt's something I said I'd try this year and didn't bother, but will certainly give it a go next. Body camera, sure what harm could it do? Would certainly produce some red faces at a CCC meeting and clear up any issues with regards to players actions, and ref's ;D
Give me a shout, our crowd sell them, I'll do a swap for a few hearing aids!
Quote from: johnnycool on October 04, 2023, 08:18:33 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on October 03, 2023, 11:28:46 PMIt's something I said I'd try this year and didn't bother, but will certainly give it a go next. Body camera, sure what harm could it do? Would certainly produce some red faces at a CCC meeting and clear up any issues with regards to players actions, and ref's ;D
Give me a shout, our crowd sell them, I'll do a swap for a few hearing aids!
Yeah be interested in trialling it, your hearing should be grand lol
To be fair MR2 I think that is a great idea, Iphone inside a crossbody holder, as you said will make players, management etc think twice
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 03, 2023, 11:28:46 PMIt's something I said I'd try this year and didn't bother, but will certainly give it a go next. Body camera, sure what harm could it do? Would certainly produce some red faces at a CCC meeting and clear up any issues with regards to players actions, and ref's ;D
In fairness i bet nearly all of us have said something on the football field in the heat of the moment (f**k off ye fat bastard, hows your mother, nice hair cut etc) but to take it over the line and resort to mocking child abuse, skin colour, religion etc is another cattle of fish.
After all is said and done i could sit down with nearly every signle opposition player ive played againist and have a pint if it came to it. How many of the Kilcoo lads can say that? Are they and their familes not embarrassed of their actions? What will they do once football has finished and they are still know as 'your man who knocked someones teeth out with a blind sided punch', or 'the man who mocked child abuse'.
Quote from: samuel maguire on October 06, 2023, 09:39:54 AMIn fairness i bet nearly all of us have said something on the football field in the heat of the moment (f**k off ye fat bastard, hows your mother, nice hair cut etc) but to take it over the line and resort to mocking child abuse, skin colour, religion etc is another cattle of fish.
After all is said and done i could sit down with nearly every signle opposition player ive played againist and have a pint if it came to it. How many of the Kilcoo lads can say that? Are they and their familes not embarrassed of their actions? What will they do once football has finished and they are still know as 'your man who knocked someones teeth out with a blind sided punch', or 'the man who mocked child abuse'.
100% agree with this. Have often bumped into lads who I've literally stood toe to toe fighting with and we laughed about it. I have sat with lads drinking pints, and now playing Dads and Lads stuff it's great to reminisce with lads. I wonder will that be the case in 20 years time for lads playing now in general....
The best one ever was when we were hammering a "townie" team and one of them turned round and said - "what do you even do at weekends? go to barn dances?" ;D
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 06, 2023, 01:37:30 PMThe best one ever was when we were hammering a "townie" team and one of them turned round and said - "what do you even do at weekends? go to barn dances?" ;D
Chip eaters and Frankies!!!
Why does it seem this sort of stuff is worse in the North? GAA seems a lot more intense and parochial in the North than is does down south.
Quote from: samuel maguire on October 06, 2023, 09:39:54 AMIn fairness i bet nearly all of us have said something on the football field in the heat of the moment (f**k off ye fat bastard, hows your mother, nice hair cut etc) but to take it over the line and resort to mocking child abuse, skin colour, religion etc is another cattle of fish.
After all is said and done i could sit down with nearly every signle opposition player ive played againist and have a pint if it came to it. How many of the Kilcoo lads can say that? Are they and their familes not embarrassed of their actions? What will they do once football has finished and they are still know as 'your man who knocked someones teeth out with a blind sided punch', or 'the man who mocked child abuse'.
Nail on head. I've called lads every name under the sun in the heat of the moment but have always been able to look them in the eye at the end if the game, shake their hand and if the opportunity is there have a pint with them. As much as I respect and admire what those Kilcoo men have achieved, the dark arts shite they get up to is disgusting.
The one about asking how u ma, after she was recently buried seems a particularly bad one, I think if it been said to me, the lad been half kilt, Ref or no ref. And probably would been taken farther off the pitch. Maybe it just the type of people we were, something thing like that I wouldn't let pass.
Football's a game at the end of the day. That stuff has no place in it and anyone saying it deserves their come uppance both on and off the pitch. Also that kind of thing if true deserves a life ban imo. It's one thing off the cuff remarks but actually going out of your way to come up with that beggars belief.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 06, 2023, 09:18:59 PMThe one about asking how u ma, after she was recently buried seems a particularly bad one, I think if it been said to me, the lad been half kilt, Ref or no ref. And probably would been taken farther off the pitch. Maybe it just the type of people we were, something thing like that I wouldn't let pass.
Think that one was at a minor game a few years ago making it even worse. Best way would be to not react and get yourself sent off and then thump the head off him after the match.
Corduff acting the tramps again it looks like on Twitter
Saw it there. Number 9 some hard man...
More trouble at the Down senior hurling semi-final between Liatroim and Ballycran. But, apparently, 'it was the ref's fault.'
Blame the ref.....
Refs need to stop batin Down players🙄
Meath hallions
https://twitter.com/thegaeliccorner/status/1711115762918690892
Seen that on TV at the time, amazed that lad was not red carded!
https://www.balls.ie/gaa/gaa-referee-attacked-leinster-club-clash-575550?fbclid=IwAR1wEvsWFRrt8UUf_j1mhH33n4iONOFYkX4XDSFqQcWu2jxHnzZxVT0jeAA
Quote from: jcpen on October 22, 2023, 05:27:28 PMhttps://www.balls.ie/gaa/gaa-referee-attacked-leinster-club-clash-575550?fbclid=IwAR1wEvsWFRrt8UUf_j1mhH33n4iONOFYkX4XDSFqQcWu2jxHnzZxVT0jeAA
Ref should be booked for diving there.
who da f is that clown pushing the ref
Wooly says it was harmless. Don't know about that as the Ref could easily land awkwardly from that kind of push injuring himself. The supporter should be getting the maximum suspension and his club's home ground closed for the 2024 season.
So after all the consultations the ref came to the correct decision and still assaulted?
People are strange
Quote from: clarshack on October 22, 2023, 07:26:12 PMWooly says it was harmless. Don't know about that as the Ref could easily land awkwardly from that kind of push injuring himself. The supporter should be getting the maximum suspension and his club's home ground closed for the 2024 season.
Shouldn't be laying a hand on a ref full stop, harmless or not. (As tempting as it may be at times)
Poor aul mammy coming onto the field, to get her spoilt entitled child away from harm.
Big man pushing a referee in the back, something to tell his buddies in the pub tonight. Probably rode miss Ireland last night too in Birr. ;D
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 22, 2023, 06:05:58 PMQuote from: jcpen on October 22, 2023, 05:27:28 PMhttps://www.balls.ie/gaa/gaa-referee-attacked-leinster-club-clash-575550?fbclid=IwAR1wEvsWFRrt8UUf_j1mhH33n4iONOFYkX4XDSFqQcWu2jxHnzZxVT0jeAA
Ref should be booked for diving there.
He seemed to bounce off someone in front of him the way he fell back after being pushed in the back.
Anyway, the man that did it should be easily identified from the video.
96 weeks
Quote from: jcpen on October 22, 2023, 05:27:28 PMhttps://www.balls.ie/gaa/gaa-referee-attacked-leinster-club-clash-575550?fbclid=IwAR1wEvsWFRrt8UUf_j1mhH33n4iONOFYkX4XDSFqQcWu2jxHnzZxVT0jeAA
I think the time has come to ban supporters from coming onto the pitch.
Referees in similar situations could potentially have to contend with hundreds of demented/angry/drugged up wingnuts as they leave the field after a match. Garda/steward escorts clearly aren't enough anymore. Officials need protecting.
Quote from: AustinPowers on October 22, 2023, 09:52:25 PMQuote from: jcpen on October 22, 2023, 05:27:28 PMhttps://www.balls.ie/gaa/gaa-referee-attacked-leinster-club-clash-575550?fbclid=IwAR1wEvsWFRrt8UUf_j1mhH33n4iONOFYkX4XDSFqQcWu2jxHnzZxVT0jeAA
I think the time has come to ban supporters from coming onto the pitch.
Referees in similar situations could potentially have to contend with hundreds of demented/angry/drugged up wingnuts as they leave the field after a match. Garda/steward escorts clearly aren't enough anymore. Officials need protecting.
Yes and no, people should realise that their actions will have repercussions. The clubs should recognise that their members or player's families have a responsibility, and if they break that, then the club suffers. No home games and no championship participation the next season ..
Some difference in this craic and the rugby lads.
Lads who absolutely tank each other throughout the game, can shake hands and have a chat after it's over.
Some difference then compared to a lot of cowboys, players and supporters in the gaa.
How, and can, the GAA get to the level of rugby disclipline?
Can it be done?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 22, 2023, 10:45:11 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on October 22, 2023, 09:52:25 PMQuote from: jcpen on October 22, 2023, 05:27:28 PMhttps://www.balls.ie/gaa/gaa-referee-attacked-leinster-club-clash-575550?fbclid=IwAR1wEvsWFRrt8UUf_j1mhH33n4iONOFYkX4XDSFqQcWu2jxHnzZxVT0jeAA
I think the time has come to ban supporters from coming onto the pitch.
Referees in similar situations could potentially have to contend with hundreds of demented/angry/drugged up wingnuts as they leave the field after a match. Garda/steward escorts clearly aren't enough anymore. Officials need protecting.
Yes and no, people should realise that their actions will have repercussions. The clubs should recognise that their members or player's families have a responsibility, and if they break that, then the club suffers. No home games and no championship participation the next season ..
Aye but in the heat of the moment , that hardly enters a potentially drugged/drunk fan's head , as they go after the referee because of a decision he made.
Clubs will no doubt defend such fan's actions at any hearing. Ach he's going through a rough patch, marriage broke up, he's on meds for depression etc.... Aye, sorry about that ref. I got carried away. Meanwhile, the ref sucks his dinner through a straw for weeks as his jaw is broke.
You're a referee. Have you not faced similar situations post match? (the angry fans, not the straw bit)
The default response from the losing team in football nowadays, is to lay the full blame at the feet of the referee. And I don't mean like a few throwaway remarks from the dunderheads among us. It's more along the lines of the team, management and core support immediately gathering in unison to hold the referee accountable. As if it's not plausible to lose a match fair and square.
This wasn't the case when I was playing. Don't get me wrong, we all had angry exchanges with referees. But even when refereeing decisions played a huge part in games - such as Greg McCartan and Diarmuid Marsden getting sent off in 2003 - everyone (or at least most people) seemed to have some form of acceptance that the better team on the day should win the match.
I don't know when or why this changed. Does anyone?
Quote from: AustinPowers on October 22, 2023, 11:04:53 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on October 22, 2023, 10:45:11 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on October 22, 2023, 09:52:25 PMQuote from: jcpen on October 22, 2023, 05:27:28 PMhttps://www.balls.ie/gaa/gaa-referee-attacked-leinster-club-clash-575550?fbclid=IwAR1wEvsWFRrt8UUf_j1mhH33n4iONOFYkX4XDSFqQcWu2jxHnzZxVT0jeAA
I think the time has come to ban supporters from coming onto the pitch.
Referees in similar situations could potentially have to contend with hundreds of demented/angry/drugged up wingnuts as they leave the field after a match. Garda/steward escorts clearly aren't enough anymore. Officials need protecting.
Yes and no, people should realise that their actions will have repercussions. The clubs should recognise that their members or player's families have a responsibility, and if they break that, then the club suffers. No home games and no championship participation the next season ..
Aye but in the heat of the moment , that hardly enters a potentially drugged/drunk fan's head , as they go after the referee because of a decision he made.
Clubs will no doubt defend such fan's actions at any hearing. Ach he's going through a rough patch, marriage broke up, he's on meds for depression etc.... Aye, sorry about that ref. I got carried away. Meanwhile, the ref sucks his dinner through a straw for weeks as his jaw is broke.
You're a referee. Have you not faced similar situations post match? (the angry fans, not the straw bit)
I'm 5,6" I'm lucky enough (thankfully lol) to have not been physically attacked, but certainly been 'approached' were people have questioned my height, lack of hair, parentage, the general profanities you'd expect from Neanderthals.
Regardless of your honesty or integrity everyone (generally from losing team) will say you've had a bad game. So what's the options here? Just say, "ah f**k that shite" like half the people that put their names forward at an AGM? Or say ok, I get passion, frustration, annoyance, I've been there, done that, but he's tried his best and if he's made a mistake it's ok, or actually run on to the field to attack a ref!
You really are an unhinged person, who needs help if you feel it will help your club.
Zero tolerance is the only way, I accept conversation, but once I've explained my reasoning and it continues then so will the moving ball forward, removing managers from play and sin binning a player who remonstrates.
All that aside.. the ccc should come down hard on the club. Defending anyone is fine, but the rules are there to Impose sanctions .
Code of conduct is in place at clubs, if someone has issues then the club should make sure said person is not about.
Punters shouting from behind the fence should not be exempt either.
The reason why it's changed Wobbler is players and managers plus supporters can't accept that their wee team lost that game..
Agree wholeheartedly mr2. What I can't put my finger on is roughly when things changed from teams being able to accept a defeat, to having to blame the referee for every defeat.
Quote from: thewobbler on October 23, 2023, 12:05:56 AMAgree wholeheartedly mr2. What I can't put my finger on is roughly when things changed from teams being able to accept a defeat, to having to blame the referee for every defeat.
Paid managers and backrooms?
he wanted to be the big man of the community
i heard the pusher is an offaly county player
According to the Irish Times article (https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/10/22/referee-assaulted-after-tullamores-defeat-in-leinster-club-championship/) he is a Tullamore player who wasn't involved in the match. I know one of their players did play in the county final and did not play in the Summerhill match due to injury and he has played for Offaly so that would add up. If it is a player as reported then thats a 96 week suspension you would imagine.
an eye Gough at a game in cork yesterday.
Quote from: Eire90 on November 06, 2023, 06:09:27 PMan eye Gough at a game in cork yesterday.
Is David ok?
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 06, 2023, 07:06:16 PMQuote from: Eire90 on November 06, 2023, 06:09:27 PMan eye Gough at a game in cork yesterday.
Is David ok?
My money is on Richard. What did he expect, an ex rangers man at a GAA match ::)
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2023/1106/1415027-tullamore-player-faces-96-week-ban-for-referee-push/ (https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2023/1106/1415027-tullamore-player-faces-96-week-ban-for-referee-push/)
A 96-week ban has been proposed for a Tullamore player who pushed a referee to the ground, RTÉ Sport understands.
Barry Tiernan was knocked to the ground after officiating Tullamore's 1-07 to 1-09 defeat to Summerhill in a AIB Leinster Club SFC meeting at O'Connor Park on 22 October.
At the end of the game, Tiernan was approached by a number of supporters, before being pushed by someone who has been identified as a Tullamore player, who hadn't played on the day.
The incident occurred after Tullamore were awarded a close-range free late in the game, before Tiernan upgraded the decision to a penalty after consultation with the umpires.
Then, having discussed with his linesman, Tiernan overturned the decision again, before John Furlong's free was eventually blocked in a crowded goalmouth.
Tullamore are contemplating requesting a hearing and the case could be taken to the Disputes Resolution Authority.
A 48-week ban has also been proposed for a Tullamore official who approached the linesman at the end of the game.
"I saw it myself and I can't deny it, a disgraceful incident," Offaly chairman Michael Duignan told RTÉ Radio 1's Sunday Sport at the time.
"There was a bit of controversy at the end where the referee awarded a penalty and then it was overruled and obviously the players were frustrated and they were remonstrating.
"But there was no danger, the players were well away from the ref coming off the field. The Tullamore team are a very sporting team, just disappointed, which you would be.
"But somebody came in from the terrace then and pushed the referee from behind so it was terrible. It's a very, very tough job and I would have had my arguments over the years with refs but you wouldn't dream about laying a finger on a referee.
"So look, I'm very sorry it happened here today and I'm sure it'll be dealt with in due course."
I think the only thing to worry about here is about awarding the correct decision, and if after consulting the other officials who were better placed, and got the correct decision then what is the fuss about?
The player was either fouled outside the box or inside it...
The ref would have been hammered by the other team if he gave the 'wrong' decision
I'm not sure the statement above reflects the correct call by the referee and his team.
That said, I haven't seen the footage, but have read reports from others saying it was the right call..
Going forward, the ref should have blown for a free, made his way to the incident, talked immediately to his umpires and linesmen and then make a call on whether it was inside or out, it would have at least shifted any blame on him and put it solely on the player that fouled
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 07, 2023, 12:22:37 PMI think the only thing to worry about here is about awarding the correct decision, and if after consulting the other officials who were better placed, and got the correct decision then what is the fuss about?
The player was either fouled outside the box or inside it...
The ref would have been hammered by the other team if he gave the 'wrong' decision
I'm not sure the statement above reflects the correct call by the referee and his team.
That said, I haven't seen the footage, but have read reports from others saying it was the right call..
Going forward, the ref should have blown for a free, made his way to the incident, talked immediately to his umpires and linesmen and then make a call on whether it was inside or out, it would have at least shifted any blame on him and put it solely on the player that fouled
It wasn't a foul on a player the ball was picked of the ground.
Technical foul outside the box is a free, if defender picks up ball in the small square penalty.. That should be easy enough to work out and those closest would have seen that?
So it was either a free or a penalty, why did the Tullamore lads complain if it was the correct call?
I saw the video at the time. It was the correct call. Tullamore and the player involved haven't a leg to stand on.
The ball was outside the 6 yard box. No penalty.
Glad it's been dealt with accordingly.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 07, 2023, 12:34:22 PMTechnical foul outside the box is a free, if defender picks up ball in the small square penalty.. That should be easy enough to work out and those closest would have seen that?
So it was either a free or a penalty, why did the Tullamore lads complain if it was the correct call?
The Referee lost the run of himself in that he gave a free, then spoke to umpires and gave a penalty, then linesman intervened and he changed back to a free which was the right call. ( or something like that going by what i have read). They obviously complained because they though they were going to get a chance to win the game and then it was took away from them and emotions got the better of them.
Quote from: Cavan19 on November 07, 2023, 12:46:54 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 07, 2023, 12:34:22 PMTechnical foul outside the box is a free, if defender picks up ball in the small square penalty.. That should be easy enough to work out and those closest would have seen that?
So it was either a free or a penalty, why did the Tullamore lads complain if it was the correct call?
The Referee lost the run of himself in that he gave a free, then spoke to umpires and gave a penalty, then linesman intervened and he changed back to a free which was the right call. ( or something like that going by what i have read). They obviously complained because they though they were going to get a chance to win the game and then it was took away from them and emotions got the better of them.
The right call was made though, if what you are saying is correct, for someone now to get a 48 week ban for assaulting a referee who got the correct decision, albeit with some confusion will look and feel a bit daft..
The call for picking the ball up in the small square is not a ordinary run of the mill call, I've seen it being called and the ref gave a free when it was inside the square and should have been a penalty, and remember seeing one referee give a penalty after defender touched ball in the rectangle!!
Maybe the linesman in this case explained to him what the correct call was, rather than the umpires who are not generally referee's
Either way both teams have a chance to win the game, they have the 60 plus minutes to win it had he stuck with the original call then no issues, games at championship, with everything on the line can be tense for EVERYBODY, not just the management/players/supporters
Hopefully the 48 weeks stick and be a lesson for others not to just go around taking out their frustration on the referees
Whether the call was corect or incorrect is irrelevant; refs will make mistakes, just like players will. Did any of the Tullamore players miss an easy score? Were they assaulted after the game by their own supporters? I don't understand why refs tolerate the abuse they receive; no refs, no games.
If a player was attacked for say missing a close in free, or blazing a goal chance wide....
The attackers would deservedly be condemned and if they were GAA members rightfully banned.
Ref is attacked and a large number will say "what did he expect?" Or "he's a crap Ref" etc.
GAA and Ref should take a civil case for damages against perpetrators.
A Co Tyrone GAA player has narrowly avoided prison over a "cowardly and disgusting" on-pitch attack.
The victim of the assault by Shea O'Neill could have "lasting consequences" after being bitten in the face and grabbed by the genitals, a court heard.
But the GAA has refused to clarify if any action has been taken over the assault during a match last year, while O'Neill was subject to a suspended sentence for previous violent offending.
O'Neill (27), from North Close, Stewartstown, engaged in what a judge described as "disgusting and cowardly" behaviour by biting into the face of an opponent while also grabbing his genitals during the on-pitch incident.
Dungannon Magistrates Court heard the attack occurred after an altercation erupted between two rival teams on October 10, 2022.
A defence barrister conceded O'Neill was previously subject to a suspended sentence for a different serious assault in 2019 which was handed down by Dungannon Crown Court.
However, he urged Deputy District Judge Sean O'Hare to impose a probation order and not a custodial sentence.
He said his client had lodged £1,000 with his solicitor "to demonstrate his remorse" by way of compensation to the victim.
Addressing O'Neill directly, Judge O'Hare condemned the act as "cowardly and disgusting, especially given the context of a sporting environment."
He also noted that the incident could have lasting consequences for the victim.
While acknowledging O'Neill's early acceptance of the matter, Judge O'Hare advised he had initially considered imposing a lengthy sentence and activating the suspended sentence.
However, he ultimately opted for a combination order consisting of 100 hours of community service, coupled with a two-year probation supervision period.
He warned O'Neill, "Any breach will result in an 18-month custodial sentence."
Judge O'Hare also ordered him to pay £2,500 compensation to the victim.
The issue over the suspended sentence has been referred back to Dungannon Crown Court for consideration against the current offending.
Despite the gravity of the incident, the Ulster Council of the GAA has remained silent despite requests for comment.
It is therefore unclear if any sanction has been imposed on O'Neill.
Not the first time a Tyrone footballer has been involved in a "ball grabbing" incident. I remember watching a movie on an adult site if anyone gets my drift.
Quote from: NormPeterson on November 08, 2023, 06:29:51 PMNot the first time a Tyrone footballer has been involved in a "ball grabbing" incident. I remember watching a movie on an adult site if anyone gets my drift.
Poor post... But, whatever floats your boat Norm, we're not here to judge
Normmmmmmmmmmm!!
Tyrone minor game
https://twitter.com/thegaeliccorner/status/1724197184072032516
absolute disgrace and those videoing seem to be encourage it.
What are the rules about posting videos of underage kids games on social media?
Quote from: Taylor on November 14, 2023, 08:23:34 AMWhat are the rules about posting videos of underage kids games on social media?
Messy. Both teams should be fucked out of the competition and a few heavy suspensions handed out.
Quote from: trailer on November 14, 2023, 08:26:46 AMQuote from: Taylor on November 14, 2023, 08:23:34 AMWhat are the rules about posting videos of underage kids games on social media?
Messy. Both teams should be fucked out of the competition and a few heavy suspensions handed out.
Agree that stern action has to be taken against both teams.
I had thought there was a rule about posting videos of underage games (or even recording them)
Quote from: Taylor on November 14, 2023, 08:31:28 AMQuote from: trailer on November 14, 2023, 08:26:46 AMQuote from: Taylor on November 14, 2023, 08:23:34 AMWhat are the rules about posting videos of underage kids games on social media?
Messy. Both teams should be fucked out of the competition and a few heavy suspensions handed out.
Agree that stern action has to be taken against both teams.
I had thought there was a rule about posting videos of underage games (or even recording them)
I always thought there was a rule brought in a few years ago about third man into a scuffle got a straight red?
Was this a rule or did I just imagine it?
Is it s disgrace or is it something that happens almost weekly and has for years. Camera phones and peoples need for attention via social media is a curse.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 14, 2023, 08:45:15 AMIs it s disgrace or is it something that happens almost weekly and has for years. Camera phones and peoples need for attention via social media is a curse.
Always happened, like everything but just more phones about.
Quote from: marty34 on November 14, 2023, 08:44:43 AMQuote from: Taylor on November 14, 2023, 08:31:28 AMQuote from: trailer on November 14, 2023, 08:26:46 AMQuote from: Taylor on November 14, 2023, 08:23:34 AMWhat are the rules about posting videos of underage kids games on social media?
Messy. Both teams should be fucked out of the competition and a few heavy suspensions handed out.
Agree that stern action has to be taken against both teams.
I had thought there was a rule about posting videos of underage games (or even recording them)
I always thought there was a rule brought in a few years ago about third man into a scuffle got a straight red?
Was this a rule or did I just imagine it?
Only heard of that in ice hockey
Quote from: lurganblue on November 14, 2023, 09:02:18 AMQuote from: marty34 on November 14, 2023, 08:44:43 AMQuote from: Taylor on November 14, 2023, 08:31:28 AMQuote from: trailer on November 14, 2023, 08:26:46 AMQuote from: Taylor on November 14, 2023, 08:23:34 AMWhat are the rules about posting videos of underage kids games on social media?
Messy. Both teams should be fucked out of the competition and a few heavy suspensions handed out.
Agree that stern action has to be taken against both teams.
I had thought there was a rule about posting videos of underage games (or even recording them)
I always thought there was a rule brought in a few years ago about third man into a scuffle got a straight red?
Was this a rule or did I just imagine it?
Only heard of that in ice hockey
There was plenty of talk about it but don't know if anything offical came in.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 14, 2023, 09:04:15 AMQuote from: lurganblue on November 14, 2023, 09:02:18 AMQuote from: marty34 on November 14, 2023, 08:44:43 AMQuote from: Taylor on November 14, 2023, 08:31:28 AMQuote from: trailer on November 14, 2023, 08:26:46 AMQuote from: Taylor on November 14, 2023, 08:23:34 AMWhat are the rules about posting videos of underage kids games on social media?
Messy. Both teams should be fucked out of the competition and a few heavy suspensions handed out.
Agree that stern action has to be taken against both teams.
I had thought there was a rule about posting videos of underage games (or even recording them)
I always thought there was a rule brought in a few years ago about third man into a scuffle got a straight red?
Was this a rule or did I just imagine it?
Only heard of that in ice hockey
There was plenty of talk about it but don't know if anything offical came in.
It did come in and was the rule. Just probably not frequently implemented.
Quote from: marty34 on November 14, 2023, 08:44:43 AMQuote from: Taylor on November 14, 2023, 08:31:28 AMQuote from: trailer on November 14, 2023, 08:26:46 AMQuote from: Taylor on November 14, 2023, 08:23:34 AMWhat are the rules about posting videos of underage kids games on social media?
Messy. Both teams should be fucked out of the competition and a few heavy suspensions handed out.
Agree that stern action has to be taken against both teams.
I had thought there was a rule about posting videos of underage games (or even recording them)
I always thought there was a rule brought in a few years ago about third man into a scuffle got a straight red?
Was this a rule or did I just imagine it?
Conor McKenna got a straight red for being 3rd man in against Fermanagh in the 2022 Ulster Championship.
I'm not sure the GAA could take disciplinary action against individuals recording individual segments of matches such as scores or brawls even if there is a rule against it. People will post these videos as others will comment on them as can be seen from the reaction on this message board. In the incident recorded at least the adults and mentors entering the field of play appear to be making a genuine attempt to break up the fighting and restore order rather than getting involved. Unsavoury, lots of pushing and shoving, but would there be any more than 4 players who could be said to have struck someone.
Conor McKenna was sent off as third man in against Fermanagh so rule is or was on place. As Sky Sports say - The Eglish clubman was the third man into a melee, and referee Joe McQuillan gave him his marching orders
Hard for any referee to take proper action in these cases as so much going on maybe went for the standard red card for each team (or maybe even yellow)
Quote from: GTP on November 14, 2023, 09:40:47 AMI'm not sure the GAA could take disciplinary action against individuals recording individual segments of matches such as scores or brawls even if there is a rule against it. People will post these videos as others will comment on them as can be seen from the reaction on this message board. In the incident recorded at least the adults and mentors entering the field of play appear to be making a genuine attempt to break up the fighting and restore order rather than getting involved. Unsavoury, lots of pushing and shoving, but would there be any more than 4 players who could be said to have struck someone.
Conor McKenna was sent off as third man in against Fermanagh so rule is or was on place. As Sky Sports say - The Eglish clubman was the third man into a melee, and referee Joe McQuillan gave him his marching orders
Hard for any referee to take proper action in these cases as so much going on maybe went for the standard red card for each team (or maybe even yellow)
Said it before the best thing a ref can do is wave play on, you'll look like some clown if you're running around throwing digs while your man is putting the ball in the net. (Obviously doesn't work at half/full time before someone says it.
Quote from: GTP on November 14, 2023, 09:40:47 AMI'm not sure the GAA could take disciplinary action against individuals recording individual segments of matches such as scores or brawls even if there is a rule against it. People will post these videos as others will comment on them as can be seen from the reaction on this message board. In the incident recorded at least the adults and mentors entering the field of play appear to be making a genuine attempt to break up the fighting and restore order rather than getting involved. Unsavoury, lots of pushing and shoving, but would there be any more than 4 players who could be said to have struck someone.
Conor McKenna was sent off as third man in against Fermanagh so rule is or was on place. As Sky Sports say - The Eglish clubman was the third man into a melee, and referee Joe McQuillan gave him his marching orders
Hard for any referee to take proper action in these cases as so much going on maybe went for the standard red card for each team (or maybe even yellow)
I think there is a provision for disciplining members in the code of conduct under the "bringing the GAA into disrepute" but I think practically it would be extremely difficult.
"To contribute to a melee" is a Category 3 infraction (a red card offence)
This is what is usually used by refs if they want to give a red card to the third man in.
There is no reference to it being specifically "the third man in" anywhere in the rule book.
However like so many GAA rules this is so badly written as being close to meaningless.
Nowhere in the rule book is either a melee defined or how much you need to contribute to it, to be committing an offence.
Quote from: lurganblue on November 14, 2023, 09:02:18 AMQuote from: marty34 on November 14, 2023, 08:44:43 AMQuote from: Taylor on November 14, 2023, 08:31:28 AMQuote from: trailer on November 14, 2023, 08:26:46 AMQuote from: Taylor on November 14, 2023, 08:23:34 AMWhat are the rules about posting videos of underage kids games on social media?
Messy. Both teams should be fucked out of the competition and a few heavy suspensions handed out.
Agree that stern action has to be taken against both teams.
I had thought there was a rule about posting videos of underage games (or even recording them)
I always thought there was a rule brought in a few years ago about third man into a scuffle got a straight red?
Was this a rule or did I just imagine it?
Only heard of that in ice hockey
Speaking of Ice Hockey, I always thought it'd be a good idea to let 2 lads go at it (like ice hockey) and have ref/lineman split it and deal with it when it went to ground. Would cut out the messier type brawls where men can get hit on the ground etc.
Maybe no one will agree with me, but I don't think it would be a bad way to go.
Quote from: toby47 on November 14, 2023, 12:09:18 PMQuote from: lurganblue on November 14, 2023, 09:02:18 AMQuote from: marty34 on November 14, 2023, 08:44:43 AMQuote from: Taylor on November 14, 2023, 08:31:28 AMQuote from: trailer on November 14, 2023, 08:26:46 AMQuote from: Taylor on November 14, 2023, 08:23:34 AMWhat are the rules about posting videos of underage kids games on social media?
Messy. Both teams should be fucked out of the competition and a few heavy suspensions handed out.
Agree that stern action has to be taken against both teams.
I had thought there was a rule about posting videos of underage games (or even recording them)
I always thought there was a rule brought in a few years ago about third man into a scuffle got a straight red?
Was this a rule or did I just imagine it?
Only heard of that in ice hockey
Speaking of Ice Hockey, I always thought it'd be a good idea to let 2 lads go at it (like ice hockey) and have ref/lineman split it and deal with it when it went to ground. Would cut out the messier type brawls where men can get hit on the ground etc.
Maybe no one will agree with me, but I don't think it would be a bad way to go.
That's well and good when they are wearing helmets and protective clothing.
Quote from: Cavan19 on November 14, 2023, 12:22:22 PMQuote from: toby47 on November 14, 2023, 12:09:18 PMQuote from: lurganblue on November 14, 2023, 09:02:18 AMQuote from: marty34 on November 14, 2023, 08:44:43 AMQuote from: Taylor on November 14, 2023, 08:31:28 AMQuote from: trailer on November 14, 2023, 08:26:46 AMQuote from: Taylor on November 14, 2023, 08:23:34 AMWhat are the rules about posting videos of underage kids games on social media?
Messy. Both teams should be fucked out of the competition and a few heavy suspensions handed out.
Agree that stern action has to be taken against both teams.
I had thought there was a rule about posting videos of underage games (or even recording them)
I always thought there was a rule brought in a few years ago about third man into a scuffle got a straight red?
Was this a rule or did I just imagine it?
Only heard of that in ice hockey
Speaking of Ice Hockey, I always thought it'd be a good idea to let 2 lads go at it (like ice hockey) and have ref/lineman split it and deal with it when it went to ground. Would cut out the messier type brawls where men can get hit on the ground etc.
Maybe no one will agree with me, but I don't think it would be a bad way to go.
That's well and good when they are wearing helmets and protective clothing.
Partly true, they take the gloves off to fight. And in most cases the helmets come off.
Christ on a bike, a poor ref or linesman having to step in and drag men apart, think you need to reconsider that one
Quote from: toby47 on November 14, 2023, 12:09:18 PMQuote from: lurganblue on November 14, 2023, 09:02:18 AMQuote from: marty34 on November 14, 2023, 08:44:43 AMQuote from: Taylor on November 14, 2023, 08:31:28 AMQuote from: trailer on November 14, 2023, 08:26:46 AMQuote from: Taylor on November 14, 2023, 08:23:34 AMWhat are the rules about posting videos of underage kids games on social media?
Messy. Both teams should be fucked out of the competition and a few heavy suspensions handed out.
Agree that stern action has to be taken against both teams.
I had thought there was a rule about posting videos of underage games (or even recording them)
I always thought there was a rule brought in a few years ago about third man into a scuffle got a straight red?
Was this a rule or did I just imagine it?
Only heard of that in ice hockey
Speaking of Ice Hockey, I always thought it'd be a good idea to let 2 lads go at it (like ice hockey) and have ref/lineman split it and deal with it when it went to ground. Would cut out the messier type brawls where men can get hit on the ground etc.
Maybe no one will agree with me, but I don't think it would be a bad way to go.
Quote from: toby47 on November 14, 2023, 12:24:34 PMQuote from: Cavan19 on November 14, 2023, 12:22:22 PMQuote from: toby47 on November 14, 2023, 12:09:18 PMQuote from: lurganblue on November 14, 2023, 09:02:18 AMQuote from: marty34 on November 14, 2023, 08:44:43 AMQuote from: Taylor on November 14, 2023, 08:31:28 AMQuote from: trailer on November 14, 2023, 08:26:46 AMQuote from: Taylor on November 14, 2023, 08:23:34 AMWhat are the rules about posting videos of underage kids games on social media?
Messy. Both teams should be fucked out of the competition and a few heavy suspensions handed out.
Agree that stern action has to be taken against both teams.
I had thought there was a rule about posting videos of underage games (or even recording them)
I always thought there was a rule brought in a few years ago about third man into a scuffle got a straight red?
Was this a rule or did I just imagine it?
Only heard of that in ice hockey
Speaking of Ice Hockey, I always thought it'd be a good idea to let 2 lads go at it (like ice hockey) and have ref/lineman split it and deal with it when it went to ground. Would cut out the messier type brawls where men can get hit on the ground etc.
Maybe no one will agree with me, but I don't think it would be a bad way to go.
That's well and good when they are wearing helmets and protective clothing.
Partly true, they take the gloves off to fight. And in most cases the helmets come off.
The pads and all are a bit of a hinderance to them as well. If you take the pads off you're in for a big suspension and fine.
Tullamore club man who was given a proposed 96 week ban has had it reduced on appeal by Leinster Council to 24 weeks.
And they wonder why people won't take up refereeing!
Quote from: Rossfan on November 17, 2023, 06:52:19 PMTullamore club man who was given a proposed 96 week ban has had it reduced on appeal by Leinster Council to 24 weeks.
And they wonder why people won't take up refereeing!
He won't even miss a club championship game.
Quote from: Rossfan on November 17, 2023, 06:52:19 PMTullamore club man who was given a proposed 96 week ban has had it reduced on appeal by Leinster Council to 24 weeks.
And they wonder why people won't take up refereeing!
Seen that. I wonder what the extenuating circumstances were?
probably reduced because someone said he was a pillar of the community bs so he miss 24 weeks in the off season
Maybe the leinster council needs to explain why they haven't a set of balls.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 17, 2023, 07:17:56 PMQuote from: Rossfan on November 17, 2023, 06:52:19 PMTullamore club man who was given a proposed 96 week ban has had it reduced on appeal by Leinster Council to 24 weeks.
And they wonder why people won't take up refereeing!
Seen that. I wonder what the extenuating circumstances were?
Can already guess.
On the committee of his local gaa club.
Sells lotto tickets.
Donated a sheep to the club raffle.
Actually attends mass.
Who'd be a referee? MR2 must be fuming and I can't blame him.
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 19, 2023, 03:26:47 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 17, 2023, 07:17:56 PMQuote from: Rossfan on November 17, 2023, 06:52:19 PMTullamore club man who was given a proposed 96 week ban has had it reduced on appeal by Leinster Council to 24 weeks.
And they wonder why people won't take up refereeing!
Seen that. I wonder what the extenuating circumstances were?
Can already guess.
On the committee of his local gaa club.
Sells lotto tickets.
Donated a sheep to the club raffle.
Actually attends mass.
Who'd be a referee? MR2 must be fuming and I can't blame him.
It's not that I'm fuming personally, it's the charade carried out by all those in positions to actually make a difference that annoys me.
Not referee I know thought that this would be upheld. We'd our own referee assaulted a good few years ago and the fines and bans were reduced.
I've learned to do what I do on the pitch, fill in a report if something happens and forget about it, because after I do that, it's out of my hands..
If the police got involved and a person was charged and convicted it may put out a bigger message, but the cries of "he's a decent spud" "not his nature" "he coaches the juveniles" blah blah.. not worth the effort .
its ok he probably has some local job and nothing will be said in ireland unemployed person commits crime they are demonised ohhhh employed person commits crime ohhhh lets not say anything lets pretend it never happened. loads of ceos are snorting coke every week nothing said brush under the carpet.