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Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« Reply #38820 on: September 23, 2022, 07:34:41 AM »
No offence but Scor??....does anyone give a shit really.
Outdated concept.


Not one single fkck. I do agree the relegation from senior championship should be scrapped.

What are your proposals for relegation/promotion from sfc?
If ifc winners this year are to get promotion to sfc , who is to be relegated ?
If itís done on league position itís unfair , as many league games are played without county players. Surely you canít penalise clubs with county players?
A sfc club plays championship with full deck including county players , if they lose 4 sfc games with their full deck then relegation is close to a fair fight. If you relegate a team from sfc on the basis of a league where they play many matches without a full deck , then itís clearly unfair on clubs with county players

I disagree.

Having been involved with Ballyholland as a yo-yo club during the noughties, itís nigh-on impossible for a d2 (let alone d3) team to get up to the pace of SFC. Creating a circumstance for more D2 teams to compete in it does nobody any favours. And if anything it opens up a potential for gaming the system whereby a d1 club can end up in the IFC by choice, which should be a guaranteed championship for them.

Top 15 league finishers the previous season, plus the IFC champions is the right way.

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« Reply #38821 on: September 23, 2022, 08:28:05 AM »
No offence but Scor??....does anyone give a shit really.
Outdated concept.


Not one single fkck. I do agree the relegation from senior championship should be scrapped.

What are your proposals for relegation/promotion from sfc?
If ifc winners this year are to get promotion to sfc , who is to be relegated ?
If itís done on league position itís unfair , as many league games are played without county players. Surely you canít penalise clubs with county players?
A sfc club plays championship with full deck including county players , if they lose 4 sfc games with their full deck then relegation is close to a fair fight. If you relegate a team from sfc on the basis of a league where they play many matches without a full deck , then itís clearly unfair on clubs with county players

I disagree.

Having been involved with Ballyholland as a yo-yo club during the noughties, itís nigh-on impossible for a d2 (let alone d3) team to get up to the pace of SFC. Creating a circumstance for more D2 teams to compete in it does nobody any favours. And if anything it opens up a potential for gaming the system whereby a d1 club can end up in the IFC by choice, which should be a guaranteed championship for them.

Top 15 league finishers the previous season, plus the IFC champions is the right way.


100% agree on this!

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Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« Reply #38822 on: September 23, 2022, 08:40:34 AM »
No offence but Scor??....does anyone give a shit really.
Outdated concept.


Not one single fkck. I do agree the relegation from senior championship should be scrapped.

What are your proposals for relegation/promotion from sfc?
If ifc winners this year are to get promotion to sfc , who is to be relegated ?
If itís done on league position itís unfair , as many league games are played without county players. Surely you canít penalise clubs with county players?
A sfc club plays championship with full deck including county players , if they lose 4 sfc games with their full deck then relegation is close to a fair fight. If you relegate a team from sfc on the basis of a league where they play many matches without a full deck , then itís clearly unfair on clubs with county players

I disagree.

Having been involved with Ballyholland as a yo-yo club during the noughties, itís nigh-on impossible for a d2 (let alone d3) team to get up to the pace of SFC. Creating a circumstance for more D2 teams to compete in it does nobody any favours. And if anything it opens up a potential for gaming the system whereby a d1 club can end up in the IFC by choice, which should be a guaranteed championship for them.

Top 15 league finishers the previous season, plus the IFC champions is the right way.

I don't remember there ever being an issue with the top 15 + intermediate winners. Division 1 teams should never be in the intermediate championship.

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« Reply #38823 on: September 23, 2022, 10:01:07 AM »
No offence but Scor??....does anyone give a shit really.
Outdated concept.


Not one single fkck. I do agree the relegation from senior championship should be scrapped.

What are your proposals for relegation/promotion from sfc?
If ifc winners this year are to get promotion to sfc , who is to be relegated ?
If itís done on league position itís unfair , as many league games are played without county players. Surely you canít penalise clubs with county players?
A sfc club plays championship with full deck including county players , if they lose 4 sfc games with their full deck then relegation is close to a fair fight. If you relegate a team from sfc on the basis of a league where they play many matches without a full deck , then itís clearly unfair on clubs with county players

I disagree.

Having been involved with Ballyholland as a yo-yo club during the noughties, itís nigh-on impossible for a d2 (let alone d3) team to get up to the pace of SFC. Creating a circumstance for more D2 teams to compete in it does nobody any favours. And if anything it opens up a potential for gaming the system whereby a d1 club can end up in the IFC by choice, which should be a guaranteed championship for them.

Top 15 league finishers the previous season, plus the IFC champions is the right way.

Hard to argue with that. It's even more apparent in the IFC, with some hammerings for a couple of teams in Div3, by the likes of Saval and Darragh Cross. The league positions worked well before to create a better balanced championship, maybe the county board will revert back to this after next year, following this season's restructuring with the excessive amount of relegations, and a league season next year to allow teams to find their level.

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Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« Reply #38824 on: September 23, 2022, 01:31:22 PM »
https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2022/09/20/news/kicking_out_weak_club-2834486/

That was posted earlier on another thread. Do you think starred games in the league and a back door are the reason Down are behind or is it just a lack of players at the minute?

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« Reply #38825 on: September 23, 2022, 02:07:00 PM »
The structure can't be the reason when most other counties operate in a similar, if not same way.
Blaming a back door in the championship as the reasons for Down's failure would be crazy. Consider the farce of a championship being run in Derry the last three years, a group stage where all 16 teams qualify for the knockout phase! And they just reached an all-ireland semi final.

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« Reply #38826 on: September 23, 2022, 02:08:43 PM »
Not sure what the gripe about the current championship system is . Saval or rostrevor will most likely win intermediate and therefore be in senior next year . An riocht were probably the weakest team in the senior this year and will most likely play intermediate next year .

Basing it on the league this year Saul and Glenn would have been intermediate next year . They have both won it in the past 3 years . If a team is good enough to play senior then win the intermediate . Using a league competition where teams lose their county players for half of it is hardly a fair reflection on their ability to compete in a competition where they have all players available

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« Reply #38827 on: September 23, 2022, 02:50:39 PM »
I donít favour back door system. The back door favours the stronger teams, always has. If they have a bad day thereís another opportunity.

The real championship starts tonight. No more excuses, win or bust. Expect a few close encounters, I see the bigger games have plenty of referee experience about them, Carryduff Mayobridge tie of the round. Think that could be a very good game, if MB play ball.

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« Reply #38828 on: September 23, 2022, 03:04:03 PM »
I donít favour back door system. The back door favours the stronger teams, always has. If they have a bad day thereís another opportunity.

The real championship starts tonight. No more excuses, win or bust. Expect a few close encounters, I see the bigger games have plenty of referee experience about them, Carryduff Mayobridge tie of the round. Think that could be a very good game, if MB play ball.

Im afraid the QF will be damp squibs with Loughinisland, Carryduff, Burren and Kilcoo easily going through.
Castlewellan has done well to get this far but they won't beat the Island men, Carryduff has too many good players, and the Bridge do not have anyone who can handle Beatty, Bap or Donnelly. Kilcoo and Burren will walk through, Hilltown and St Peters have zero fight this season compared to previous years.

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Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« Reply #38829 on: September 23, 2022, 04:52:49 PM »
I think Mayobridge will beat Carryduff. I have a feeling Clonduff could be dangerous this time around for kilcoo as everyone writing them off.

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Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« Reply #38830 on: September 23, 2022, 07:53:08 PM »
To think Clonduff will beat Kilcoo is the talk of a drunk... Kilcoo 2nds would beat Clonduff at the min.

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Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« Reply #38831 on: September 23, 2022, 10:54:19 PM »
Commentating tonight was atrocious. It was like listening to two lads having the craic rather than commentating on what was actually in front of them.

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Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« Reply #38832 on: September 23, 2022, 10:56:44 PM »
That game I think will be close, couldnít call it. Might depend who turns up best on the day.
Also, not sure Clonduff will be as easy beat this time round. Burren should beat CPN well.

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Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« Reply #38833 on: September 23, 2022, 11:40:53 PM »
Commentating tonight was atrocious. It was like listening to two lads having the craic rather than commentating on what was actually in front of them.

On you go and volunteer your services.

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Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« Reply #38834 on: September 24, 2022, 12:19:21 AM »
The lads had to improvise at what was going on in front of them, most of it was barely worth a mention. Well done to them both. 👏
« Last Edit: September 24, 2022, 09:23:45 AM by Back2Winning »