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Still having a right bit of calf problems.  Foam rolled the life outta them.  Stretching and even been doing the hopping.  All that is fine.  Went for a bit of a run jog combo two days ago as a bit of tester, like a couch to 5k setup.  Any distance at all jogging and I started to feel it.

I am thinking of giving the compression socks/sleeves a go to see if they help at all.  Anyone else use these? Or would that be a waste of time?

Foam rolling makes no impact and zero evidence behind it...perception changes/ placebo more than
anything...akin to rubbing your knee after you whack it on a table , different stimulus to the skin and tissue.

Two common causes of calf pain can be capacity or lack there of as Tommy discussed above ...6 times your body weight in terms of force goes through calf complex while running...capacity and ability to tolerate these forces is key....but this would present later into a run in terms of fatigue ...

If the awareness is instant and you can't recall an acute injury , can be neurally driven pain into the calf. YouTube "slump flosser exercise " and you'll find video as to do this exercise ...

Thanks for this. I never had any calf issues during my football years, or even through a right few years road running.  It wasn't until lockdown that I pulled it doing a 5k and aggravated it a few weeks later again.  Now I just cant seem to shake it.  I will have a look at the recommended youtube videos and get the hip stretching done.

Ok, potentially a residual capacity deficit so if there was a definite pull and then a re aggravation a few weeks later...

Need to load the calf up to be able to tolerate running ...body weight calf raises are ok to start with but need to add weight to replicate running demands ...

Seated calf raises with heavy weight on knee is a good exercise that can be done at home ...lob a heavy back pack or anything heavy on knees if going double or single raises
YouTube "seated calf raise" or seated soleus raise " . Go heavy x 6-8 reps x 3 sets x 3 per week. Ie, max weight you can lift for 6-8 reps before you need to tap out.

The above + the neural flosser as per previous post and you've both most common bases covered.

Gradual return to running key though , the doing is the fixing in running injuries...you have to expose body to the job gradually , all the gym work and exercises in the world won't fully replicate running ..so as always , a balance to be struck !

Still having a right bit of calf problems.  Foam rolled the life outta them.  Stretching and even been doing the hopping.  All that is fine.  Went for a bit of a run jog combo two days ago as a bit of tester, like a couch to 5k setup.  Any distance at all jogging and I started to feel it.

I am thinking of giving the compression socks/sleeves a go to see if they help at all.  Anyone else use these? Or would that be a waste of time?

Foam rolling makes no impact and zero evidence behind it...perception changes/ placebo more than
anything...akin to rubbing your knee after you whack it on a table , different stimulus to the skin and tissue.

Two common causes of calf pain can be capacity or lack there of as Tommy discussed above ...6 times your body weight in terms of force goes through calf complex while running...capacity and ability to tolerate these forces is key....but this would present later into a run in terms of fatigue ...

If the awareness is instant and you can't recall an acute injury , can be neurally driven pain into the calf. YouTube "slump flosser exercise " and you'll find video as to do this exercise ...

For a vaccine to be effective at stopping community transmission , it'll have to be taken by the majority of the population , no ?

[You're deflecting more than a Mayo defender in the first half of the 2016 All-Ireland final]

We've had a good few posters here imploring for things to be "opened up"

Yet I can't recall any of these posters ever imploring for a proper test and trace system

Or a Zero Covid system

Both of these are strategies to suppress the virus and have been shown to work when done properly

So the clear implication is that these people want to open up without either proper test and trace or Zero Covid

What sort of person wants to open up without a suppression strategy rather than open up with a suppression strategy?

Sociopaths, that's who

Let's hide under our beds until 2023 then.

Let's crank up domestic violence cases, unemployment and mental health problems in that time.

At what benefit?

Did you ever call for a lockdown in any of the past flu seasons? If you didn't then you're a sociopath by your own definition.

You're deflecting more than a Mayo defender in the first half of the 2016 All-Ireland final

Why do you want to open up society fully without a suppression strategy rather than open it up cautiously with a suppression strategy?

And why is this the loony right's continued narrative?

The logical conclusion is that the loony right sees mass death as a good thing in and of itself

And one only has to look at Trump to see this is indeed the case in reality

Everyone is guessing at this stage still really, scarily.

Yes, we are all guessing to some extent, but the likes of Stephen Fauci has a team of 100 people with PhDs, his guesses are a hell of a lot more solidly based than randomers on the Internet.

And there are also 100s of people with PHDs who will take up the opposite side of the debate, so it's hardly a concrete point. These experts are at odds with each other.

Cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias really coming to the fore during covid.

So Micheál Martin confirmed its the suppress and release strategy until "a safe vaccine is found".

Ouch...that's a serous roll of the dice .

3 weeks in lockdown then 3 weeks off then back in for an arbitrary amount of time is the worst scenario for anyone trying to run a business in the hospitality sector as no one knows whether they are coming or going so no one can confidently book a table or a room anywhere 3 weeks in advance. The business may or may not still be opened and the people who own or work in the business may or may not be entitled to some payment but they have no customers either way. Even when businesses where opened for a few weeks the rules ensured they couldn't really make a go off it. Max of 6 people, pub closed by 10, no music, nobody too drunk, only talk to person in your group, now talk of outdoor only venues in the middle of winter mean there was no appeal in going out anyhow. The same for anyone thinking of going abroad or coming to Ireland. It doesnt matter which countries are on the green or amber list or whatever.  Most people wont go anywhere as they dont want the hassle of guessing what different rules will be in place a week from now.  There are whole sectors of the economy screwed and the on off restrictions and rules that go along with it are only making it worse.

Sin é. You can't have party pubs in the middle of pandemic, that is as good as it gets.
The trick is to ensure that the R after the current lockdown is 1.2 instead of 1.4 then the vaccine will be coming on stream before another lockdown is needed.

Patrick Vallance said today there wouldn't be a vaccine until at least the spring

There was a guy from whatever umbrella group represents the restaurants on the radio last week calling for the lockdown to be implemented now in the hope it would be lifted for the pre-Christmas period

Said 30% of his business for the year is in the weeks leading up to Christmas

Can see us going back to Level 5 in January

Ultimately this endless circle of trap and release is not sustainable but the will is not there to put in place a strategy to open up but keep the virus down

It's rather worrying

Agreed, it all seems very short sighted .
We'll be ok for the summer....lockdown now and there will be a semblance of Christmas.

Vaccine is not a sure thing and it'll be required every year, production and distribution is another key obstacle . You would have to prove you've had a vaccine in some way before going anywhere also, some marker on your phone or something that could be scanned...

So Micheál Martin confirmed its the suppress and release strategy until "a safe vaccine is found".

Ouch...that's a serous roll of the dice .

Anyone ever purchase runners online?  Usually head into Pure Running and get the gait analysis done and just purchase runners there, but is it really necessary?

Also, found that when I've been out recently both my feet are sore during the run...pretty sure I'm not carrying any injuries so would it down to using old runners or lack of stretching?

Generally buy online now, best get runners that you find comfortable and stick with those, gait analysis is all fluff trying to sell you different types of runners....change them up about 600-700 hundred miles depending on how much abuse they get , alternating between pair a extend the life out of them I've found too, older pair for grass/beach and newer for road for example...

I think Angelo does have a point.

I was in many meetings with experts back in March/April when this was at its worst and the advice to my company was no point wearing masks. Plenty of experts on TV and in the WHO said the same. So things change and the experts changed their opinion which is fine and normal. But it does show that experts can be wrong and are not infallible. So the point is this, we do need to trust the opinion of the experts once they indulge us in answering our questions, providing the data on which they based their opinions. I don't think it is right to simply say - I am an expert dont question me. I think it was perfectly fine the GAA for example asked for the data which showed their games were contributing. The minute you start treating Tony Holohan as a god who owes us no explanation is the minute you are in trouble. Even good science needs to be critiqued.

Agreed ,

People find it difficult to change thinking when beliefs have been entrenched .

Regarding Spain , they've been hammered by cases since late August...death rate stable however, with a slight seasonal rise in last number of weeks.

Hey if you can't get to a game this year the next best thing is to back fit county for alleged covid rules breaches....what time we live in !

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So no surprise that half of clusters identified in the North traced to hospitality settings

Which is frustrating that there isn't enough focus on the K number and environments which super spreading can occur...university accommodation halls, care homes ...
Seasonal variation in terms of a novel virus would help explain the rise in cases also...

I think the only solution is to build a time machine and go back 20-30 years and ensure FFG aren't in power so they can't create a malfunded shitshow of a health service that is the HSE/regional health boards is/were

It's very hard to make predictions , especially about the future

Oh it'll be great during the dark days of winter ...nah, it'll be a load of bollox

Championship will start but remains to be seen if it'll finish .