The Fine Gael thread

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Itchy

Quote from: whitey on March 28, 2024, 03:48:21 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on March 28, 2024, 03:31:13 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 28, 2024, 01:46:52 PMImmigration is the number one issue because it costs hundreds of millions of Euro to house, feed, clothe and transport these people (some of whom are complete fraudsters)

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/politics/cost-accommodating-asylum-seekers-increased-31485431.amp

Ah so your biggest concern day to day isn't being able to afford to heat the home you can't afford to own, but rather, it's the money the state has to pay for those damn immigrants? Surely if it's true that on a day-to-day bais the health of the states coffers are of more concern to you than your own coffers, then taxation and tax dodging by the superwealthy that ought to be making you mad, instead of the dark skinned fella walking down the street minding his own business?


People have (and had) legitimate concerns that are not being addressed

The government (and Sinn Fein) had an opportunity to tackle this but they caved to the woke NGOs and just started calling people racists and far right

I have 4 immediate family members who are staunch lifelong Blueshirts and they're all voting third party at the next election

I'm not surprised that's the stock you come from.

Tell me, who is this "third party" and what's the name of the candidate?

whitey

Quote from: Itchy on March 28, 2024, 06:22:57 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 28, 2024, 03:48:21 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on March 28, 2024, 03:31:13 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 28, 2024, 01:46:52 PMImmigration is the number one issue because it costs hundreds of millions of Euro to house, feed, clothe and transport these people (some of whom are complete fraudsters)

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/politics/cost-accommodating-asylum-seekers-increased-31485431.amp

Ah so your biggest concern day to day isn't being able to afford to heat the home you can't afford to own, but rather, it's the money the state has to pay for those damn immigrants? Surely if it's true that on a day-to-day bais the health of the states coffers are of more concern to you than your own coffers, then taxation and tax dodging by the superwealthy that ought to be making you mad, instead of the dark skinned fella walking down the street minding his own business?


People have (and had) legitimate concerns that are not being addressed

The government (and Sinn Fein) had an opportunity to tackle this but they caved to the woke NGOs and just started calling people racists and far right

I have 4 immediate family members who are staunch lifelong Blueshirts and they're all voting third party at the next election

I'm not surprised that's the stock you come from.

Tell me, who is this "third party" and what's the name of the candidate?


I used the term third party in the generic sense-ie not FF, FG, SF, PBP, Labour etc

Candidates haven't been declared yet-so it will be some type of protest vote for someone like Aontu or an independent if I were to guess

Rossfan

Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Itchy

Quote from: whitey on March 28, 2024, 06:27:09 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 28, 2024, 06:22:57 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 28, 2024, 03:48:21 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on March 28, 2024, 03:31:13 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 28, 2024, 01:46:52 PMImmigration is the number one issue because it costs hundreds of millions of Euro to house, feed, clothe and transport these people (some of whom are complete fraudsters)

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/politics/cost-accommodating-asylum-seekers-increased-31485431.amp

Ah so your biggest concern day to day isn't being able to afford to heat the home you can't afford to own, but rather, it's the money the state has to pay for those damn immigrants? Surely if it's true that on a day-to-day bais the health of the states coffers are of more concern to you than your own coffers, then taxation and tax dodging by the superwealthy that ought to be making you mad, instead of the dark skinned fella walking down the street minding his own business?


People have (and had) legitimate concerns that are not being addressed

The government (and Sinn Fein) had an opportunity to tackle this but they caved to the woke NGOs and just started calling people racists and far right

I have 4 immediate family members who are staunch lifelong Blueshirts and they're all voting third party at the next election

I'm not surprised that's the stock you come from.

Tell me, who is this "third party" and what's the name of the candidate?


I used the term third party in the generic sense-ie not FF, FG, SF, PBP, Labour etc

Candidates haven't been declared yet-so it will be some type of protest vote for someone like Aontu or an independent if I were to guess

Ok so who does that leave for them to vote for. Tell me the constituency and I'll even help you find out.

whitey

Quote from: Itchy on March 28, 2024, 06:44:57 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 28, 2024, 06:27:09 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 28, 2024, 06:22:57 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 28, 2024, 03:48:21 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on March 28, 2024, 03:31:13 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 28, 2024, 01:46:52 PMImmigration is the number one issue because it costs hundreds of millions of Euro to house, feed, clothe and transport these people (some of whom are complete fraudsters)

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/politics/cost-accommodating-asylum-seekers-increased-31485431.amp

Ah so your biggest concern day to day isn't being able to afford to heat the home you can't afford to own, but rather, it's the money the state has to pay for those damn immigrants? Surely if it's true that on a day-to-day bais the health of the states coffers are of more concern to you than your own coffers, then taxation and tax dodging by the superwealthy that ought to be making you mad, instead of the dark skinned fella walking down the street minding his own business?


People have (and had) legitimate concerns that are not being addressed

The government (and Sinn Fein) had an opportunity to tackle this but they caved to the woke NGOs and just started calling people racists and far right

I have 4 immediate family members who are staunch lifelong Blueshirts and they're all voting third party at the next election

I'm not surprised that's the stock you come from.

Tell me, who is this "third party" and what's the name of the candidate?


I used the term third party in the generic sense-ie not FF, FG, SF, PBP, Labour etc

Candidates haven't been declared yet-so it will be some type of protest vote for someone like Aontu or an independent if I were to guess

Ok so who does that leave for them to vote for. Tell me the constituency and I'll even help you find out.

I would say Aontu is a possibility or a good independent who some chance of winning



GAABoardMod5

Things getting a bit too personal here.

Some time away from the board will be gifted if it continues.

Mod5

Snapchap

Quote from: whitey on March 28, 2024, 06:22:08 PMSo if I understand you correctly, in your view, ALL concerns regarding immigration are driven by either racism or stupidity (or both)?

And if the answer is yes-do you support open borders?

All concerns? Not in the slightest. But anyone who regards it as a priority or anything close to one, or who spends more time obsessing about it than about they do about health, education, taxation etc...Well you have to question their motivation.


After all, other than racism or stupidity, why would anyone be angry enough to take to the streets, or to base their voting decisions in protest about immigration ahead of in protest about the state of the health service, or housing crisis, or tax evasion by the super wealthy etc etc etc?

Truthsayer

Quote from: Snapchap on March 28, 2024, 06:55:58 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 28, 2024, 06:22:08 PMSo if I understand you correctly, in your view, ALL concerns regarding immigration are driven by either racism or stupidity (or both)?

And if the answer is yes-do you support open borders?

All concerns? Not in the slightest. But anyone who regards it as a priority or anything close to one, or who spends more time obsessing about it than about they do about health, education, taxation etc...Well you have to question their motivation.


After all, other than racism or stupidity, why would anyone be angry enough to take to the streets, or to base their voting decisions in protest about immigration ahead of in protest about the state of the health service, or housing crisis, or tax evasion by the super wealthy etc etc etc?
Hear hear... is a very useful distraction used by FG and Tories from those other more pressing issues

imtommygunn

It's the bogeyman. Create a bogeyman, stir up people whose lives aren't going well to blame said bogeyman and repeat.

Itchy

Quote from: whitey on March 28, 2024, 06:48:12 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 28, 2024, 06:44:57 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 28, 2024, 06:27:09 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 28, 2024, 06:22:57 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 28, 2024, 03:48:21 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on March 28, 2024, 03:31:13 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 28, 2024, 01:46:52 PMImmigration is the number one issue because it costs hundreds of millions of Euro to house, feed, clothe and transport these people (some of whom are complete fraudsters)

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/politics/cost-accommodating-asylum-seekers-increased-31485431.amp

Ah so your biggest concern day to day isn't being able to afford to heat the home you can't afford to own, but rather, it's the money the state has to pay for those damn immigrants? Surely if it's true that on a day-to-day bais the health of the states coffers are of more concern to you than your own coffers, then taxation and tax dodging by the superwealthy that ought to be making you mad, instead of the dark skinned fella walking down the street minding his own business?


People have (and had) legitimate concerns that are not being addressed

The government (and Sinn Fein) had an opportunity to tackle this but they caved to the woke NGOs and just started calling people racists and far right

I have 4 immediate family members who are staunch lifelong Blueshirts and they're all voting third party at the next election

I'm not surprised that's the stock you come from.

Tell me, who is this "third party" and what's the name of the candidate?


I used the term third party in the generic sense-ie not FF, FG, SF, PBP, Labour etc

Candidates haven't been declared yet-so it will be some type of protest vote for someone like Aontu or an independent if I were to guess

Ok so who does that leave for them to vote for. Tell me the constituency and I'll even help you find out.

I would say Aontu is a possibility or a good independent who some chance of winning



Constituency?

From the Bunker

Quote from: Itchy on March 28, 2024, 01:00:11 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on March 28, 2024, 12:55:42 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on March 28, 2024, 12:48:18 PMIf you're the sort of person for whom immigration is more imporant than healthcare, taxation, education, housing, the cost of living, then you're too f**king stupid to see how you're being manipulated.

Immigration affects health, education and housing.

Give me the stats on the health and housing. Education has been a struggle in the South more to do with the appalling planning by government. Show me the data that says immigration has caused increased waiting times in hospitals. Show me where housing affordability was caused in some way by Immigrants (most of them are rammed into building that were never to be used for housing - old hotels for example)

You forgot the word Temporarily rammed into building that were never to be used for housing - old hotels for example. They do move on and this acerbates the problem.

We had no Ukrainians enter the country last month. The Dole money is poor now and we have a shite climate.
Nigerians were the largest cohort of arrivals.

Armagh18

Quote from: Truthsayer on March 28, 2024, 07:11:15 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on March 28, 2024, 06:55:58 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 28, 2024, 06:22:08 PMSo if I understand you correctly, in your view, ALL concerns regarding immigration are driven by either racism or stupidity (or both)?

And if the answer is yes-do you support open borders?

All concerns? Not in the slightest. But anyone who regards it as a priority or anything close to one, or who spends more time obsessing about it than about they do about health, education, taxation etc...Well you have to question their motivation.


After all, other than racism or stupidity, why would anyone be angry enough to take to the streets, or to base their voting decisions in protest about immigration ahead of in protest about the state of the health service, or housing crisis, or tax evasion by the super wealthy etc etc etc?
Hear hear... is a very useful distraction used by FG and Tories from those other more pressing issues
Seeing millions being spent on housing refugees etc is bound to (rightly or wrongly) piss people off when they can see the state of things like the roads, hospitals, schools etc. low hanging fruit for a protest vote.

Screaming far right doesn't help.

Itchy

Quote from: Armagh18 on March 28, 2024, 08:36:35 PM
Quote from: Truthsayer on March 28, 2024, 07:11:15 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on March 28, 2024, 06:55:58 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 28, 2024, 06:22:08 PMSo if I understand you correctly, in your view, ALL concerns regarding immigration are driven by either racism or stupidity (or both)?

And if the answer is yes-do you support open borders?

All concerns? Not in the slightest. But anyone who regards it as a priority or anything close to one, or who spends more time obsessing about it than about they do about health, education, taxation etc...Well you have to question their motivation.


After all, other than racism or stupidity, why would anyone be angry enough to take to the streets, or to base their voting decisions in protest about immigration ahead of in protest about the state of the health service, or housing crisis, or tax evasion by the super wealthy etc etc etc?
Hear hear... is a very useful distraction used by FG and Tories from those other more pressing issues
Seeing millions being spent on housing refugees etc is bound to (rightly or wrongly) piss people off when they can see the state of things like the roads, hospitals, schools etc. low hanging fruit for a protest vote.

Screaming far right doesn't help.

Hospitals have been a shambles long before a refugee was about the place. If you blame hospital issues on refugees it's as simple as this, you are a racist.

seafoid

Quote from: whitey on March 28, 2024, 06:22:08 PMSo if I understand you correctly, in your view, ALL concerns regarding immigration are driven by either racism or stupidity (or both)?

And if the answer is yes-do you support open borders?
Immigration is a sub plot of housing