NFL Division 1 2024

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They killed the golden goose with too many games in too short a time. Rem 2005 Tyrone replay against Down in the Marshes great game especially if you were a Down supporter! 2003 brilliant Ulster final went to a replay, Dublin-Meath epic 4 games in '91. Penalties are an aberration on Gaelic games, apeing soccer. People went to the replays.

The Tyrone- Armagh first game in 2005 got 60k.
The replay got 30k in a nearly two thirds empty Croke Park.
People did not go to the replays in anywhere near the same numbers.

Only 30,000! That's quite a crowd. Would have filled Clones rightly for an Ulster final replay.

or 50% of people who went to the original didnt go to the replay. Not a good stat

50% not a good stat if there were 30,000 at the first game! Lies, damn lies and statistics!

The first game was on Sunday, the second on Saturday. The first had a minor game, the second did not.

Replays will not be coming back (certainly at least in the early rounds of championship) so its probably pointless trying to make an argument for them based on nostalgia. We are going back to an era when you might only have 2 championship games per year and there was at least some kind of an appetite for replays in certain quarters. This is no longer the case and there is nothing as anti climactic as a draw in a big championship match knowing that you may have to expend the same time and incur the same expense one week later if you want to watch the same two teams again.   

[thebigfullforward]

Key moment, bar the very soft penalty, was the Derry lad going for goal from a tight enough angle instead of tapping over and putting them in a probable unassailable 4 point lead.

Agreed. Hear the likes of James O'Donaghue saying if the goals on you have to go for it. No you dont and thats an example of why. Goes for goal from a silly angle instead of taking the simple point and putting Derry 4 points clear. He's only young and he had a brilliant game so hopefully he'll learn

[statto]

They killed the golden goose with too many games in too short a time. Rem 2005 Tyrone replay against Down in the Marshes great game especially if you were a Down supporter! 2003 brilliant Ulster final went to a replay, Dublin-Meath epic 4 games in '91. Penalties are an aberration on Gaelic games, apeing soccer. People went to the replays.

The Tyrone- Armagh first game in 2005 got 60k.
The replay got 30k in a nearly two thirds empty Croke Park.
People did not go to the replays in anywhere near the same numbers.

Only 30,000! That's quite a crowd. Would have filled Clones rightly for an Ulster final replay.

or 50% of people who went to the original didnt go to the replay. Not a good stat

50% not a good stat if there were 30,000 at the first game! Lies, damn lies and statistics!

The first game was on Sunday, the second on Saturday. The first had a minor game, the second did not.

Don't think minor game would have much of a

They killed the golden goose with too many games in too short a time. Rem 2005 Tyrone replay against Down in the Marshes great game especially if you were a Down supporter! 2003 brilliant Ulster final went to a replay, Dublin-Meath epic 4 games in '91. Penalties are an aberration on Gaelic games, apeing soccer. People went to the replays.

The Tyrone- Armagh first game in 2005 got 60k.
The replay got 30k in a nearly two thirds empty Croke Park.
People did not go to the replays in anywhere near the same numbers.

Only 30,000! That's quite a crowd. Would have filled Clones rightly for an Ulster final replay.

or 50% of people who went to the original didnt go to the replay. Not a good stat

50% not a good stat if there were 30,000 at the first game! Lies, damn lies and statistics!

The first game was on Sunday, the second on Saturday. The first had a minor game, the second did not.

The minor game wouldn't have had much of an impact on the attendance surely.

Replays will not be coming back (certainly at least in the early rounds of championship) so its probably pointless trying to make an argument for them based on nostalgia. We are going back to an era when you might only have 2 championship games per year and there was at least some kind of an appetite for replays in certain quarters. This is no longer the case and there is nothing as anti climactic as a draw in a big championship match knowing that you may have to expend the same time and incur the same expense one week later if you want to watch the same two teams again.   

Very relevant point would say possibly replays at semi final/final stage if at all. 

[JoG2]

Key moment, bar the very soft penalty, was the Derry lad going for goal from a tight enough angle instead of tapping over and putting them in a probable unassailable 4 point lead.

Agreed. Hear the likes of James O'Donaghue saying if the goals on you have to go for it. No you dont and thats an example of why. Goes for goal from a silly angle instead of taking the simple point and putting Derry 4 points clear. He's only young and he had a brilliant game so hopefully he'll learn

Ryan O'Toole v Tyrone, went for the jugular and won the game for his county at the death. That's the kind of fearless risk we want to see more of?

[Mario]

Key moment, bar the very soft penalty, was the Derry lad going for goal from a tight enough angle instead of tapping over and putting them in a probable unassailable 4 point lead.

Agreed. Hear the likes of James O'Donaghue saying if the goals on you have to go for it. No you dont and thats an example of why. Goes for goal from a silly angle instead of taking the simple point and putting Derry 4 points clear. He's only young and he had a brilliant game so hopefully he'll learn

Ryan O'Toole v Tyrone, went for the jugular and won the game for his county at the death. That's the kind of fearless risk we want to see more of?

Not really comparable. Monaghan needed the goal as they were behind. Derry did not.

[tonto1888]

Key moment, bar the very soft penalty, was the Derry lad going for goal from a tight enough angle instead of tapping over and putting them in a probable unassailable 4 point lead.

Agreed. Hear the likes of James O'Donaghue saying if the goals on you have to go for it. No you dont and thats an example of why. Goes for goal from a silly angle instead of taking the simple point and putting Derry 4 points clear. He's only young and he had a brilliant game so hopefully he'll learn

Ryan O'Toole v Tyrone, went for the jugular and won the game for his county at the death. That's the kind of fearless risk we want to see more of?

Not really comparable. Monaghan needed the goal as they were behind. Derry did not.

Jarly Og Burns in the Ulster final last year is an example. Goal was on and he took the easy option of a point. I knew at that stage we wouldnt win

[lurganblue]

Key moment, bar the very soft penalty, was the Derry lad going for goal from a tight enough angle instead of tapping over and putting them in a probable unassailable 4 point lead.

Agreed. Hear the likes of James O'Donaghue saying if the goals on you have to go for it. No you dont and thats an example of why. Goes for goal from a silly angle instead of taking the simple point and putting Derry 4 points clear. He's only young and he had a brilliant game so hopefully he'll learn

Ryan O'Toole v Tyrone, went for the jugular and won the game for his county at the death. That's the kind of fearless risk we want to see more of?

Not really comparable. Monaghan needed the goal as they were behind. Derry did not.

Jarly Og Burns in the Ulster final last year is an example. Goal was on and he took the easy option of a point. I knew at that stage we wouldnt win

100%.

That wasn't even a difficult angle.

[Armagh18]

Key moment, bar the very soft penalty, was the Derry lad going for goal from a tight enough angle instead of tapping over and putting them in a probable unassailable 4 point lead.

Agreed. Hear the likes of James O'Donaghue saying if the goals on you have to go for it. No you dont and thats an example of why. Goes for goal from a silly angle instead of taking the simple point and putting Derry 4 points clear. He's only young and he had a brilliant game so hopefully he'll learn

Ryan O'Toole v Tyrone, went for the jugular and won the game for his county at the death. That's the kind of fearless risk we want to see more of?

Not really comparable. Monaghan needed the goal as they were behind. Derry did not.

Jarly Og Burns in the Ulster final last year is an example. Goal was on and he took the easy option of a point. I knew at that stage we wouldnt win

100%.

That wasn't even a difficult angle.

Jemar Hall did similar against Galway the year before too.

[thebigfullforward]

Key moment, bar the very soft penalty, was the Derry lad going for goal from a tight enough angle instead of tapping over and putting them in a probable unassailable 4 point lead.

Agreed. Hear the likes of James O'Donaghue saying if the goals on you have to go for it. No you dont and thats an example of why. Goes for goal from a silly angle instead of taking the simple point and putting Derry 4 points clear. He's only young and he had a brilliant game so hopefully he'll learn

Ryan O'Toole v Tyrone, went for the jugular and won the game for his county at the death. That's the kind of fearless risk we want to see more of?

And I've seen it plenty of times at club level where a player is going for goal instead of driving the nail further into the coffin and taking the gauranteed point and ends up missing it. Of course it all depends on context. In Lachlan Murrays case he had an awful angle and his team was 3 points up. Go for a point and they pretty much have it won

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Key moment, bar the very soft penalty, was the Derry lad going for goal from a tight enough angle instead of tapping over and putting them in a probable unassailable 4 point lead.

Agreed. Hear the likes of James O'Donaghue saying if the goals on you have to go for it. No you dont and thats an example of why. Goes for goal from a silly angle instead of taking the simple point and putting Derry 4 points clear. He's only young and he had a brilliant game so hopefully he'll learn

Ryan O'Toole v Tyrone, went for the jugular and won the game for his county at the death. That's the kind of fearless risk we want to see more of?

Not really comparable. Monaghan needed the goal as they were behind. Derry did not.

Jarly Og Burns in the Ulster final last year is an example. Goal was on and he took the easy option of a point. I knew at that stage we wouldnt win

100%.

That wasn't even a difficult angle.

Jemar Hall did similar against Galway the year before too.

Two good examples of why you should nearly always go for the goal if it is on. In both those instances it would have put the match to bed. A lot of it comes down to the individual player and their aversion to risk. Jarly Og is a very low risk player and rarely ever kicks the ball so it was no surprise that he fisted that chance over.

Any good inside forward with a killer instinct should nearly always go for goal.   

[gallsman]

If you're 3 points up very late on in a game, you put the ball over the bar.

[thebigfullforward]

Key moment, bar the very soft penalty, was the Derry lad going for goal from a tight enough angle instead of tapping over and putting them in a probable unassailable 4 point lead.

Agreed. Hear the likes of James O'Donaghue saying if the goals on you have to go for it. No you dont and thats an example of why. Goes for goal from a silly angle instead of taking the simple point and putting Derry 4 points clear. He's only young and he had a brilliant game so hopefully he'll learn

Ryan O'Toole v Tyrone, went for the jugular and won the game for his county at the death. That's the kind of fearless risk we want to see more of?

Not really comparable. Monaghan needed the goal as they were behind. Derry did not.

Jarly Og Burns in the Ulster final last year is an example. Goal was on and he took the easy option of a point. I knew at that stage we wouldnt win

100%.

That wasn't even a difficult angle.

Jemar Hall did similar against Galway the year before too.

Two good examples of why you should nearly always go for the goal if it is on. In both those instances it would have put the match to bed. A lot of it comes down to the individual player and their aversion to risk. Jarly Og is a very low risk player and rarely ever kicks the ball so it was no surprise that he fisted that chance over.

Any good inside forward with a killer instinct should nearly always go for goal.   

"Go for the goal if its on". Thats my point. The goal was not on. It was a terrible angle and if he turnt back onto his right to go for goal from a better angle he would've been closed down by the defender. A guaranteed point vs a 15%(?) chance of a goal

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Fento's red card stands from the League Final... Durty Dubs!

[armaghniac]

Fento's red card stands from the League Final... Durty Dubs!

If a Derry player had a red card then it could be material against the likes of Donegal or Tyrone. But Dublin only have to play a couple of handy games where it does not matter a jot.