A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.

[five points]

Governments and voters chose tax cuts over public health in the 26 and the "UK" over the last 20+ years.

The opposite is true in the 26. Not even have there been no personal tax cuts since 2011, we've had the USC imposed, and tax credits and bands have not been adjusted for inflation, so that the tax burden is the highest in decades.

Meanwhile public health spending rose from €18.4bn in 2011 to €22.5bn in 2018. https://www.statista.com/statistics/433207/current-healthcare-expenditure-ireland/

[Angelo]

Governments and voters chose tax cuts over public health in the 26 and the "UK" over the last 20+ years.

The opposite is true in the 26. Not even have there been no personal tax cuts since 2011, we've had the USC imposed, and tax credits and bands have not been adjusted for inflation, so that the tax burden is the highest in decades.

Meanwhile public health spending rose from €18.4bn in 2011 to €22.5bn in 2018. https://www.statista.com/statistics/433207/current-healthcare-expenditure-ireland/

The thing about increasing public health spend in the south is that little of it is spent in improving front line staff and doctors. Most of it goes into the hands of executives and construction companies.

The Children's Hospital fiasco shows why FG are unfit for government.

[five points]

The thing about increasing public health spend in the south is that little of it is spent in improving front line staff and doctors. Most of it goes into the hands of executives and construction companies.

Irish hospital consultants are paid extremely well too.

The Children's Hospital fiasco shows why FG are unfit for government.

No party has ever questioned why we're building a Children's Hospital in the first place. The whole project is a scam from start to finish.

[Rossfan]

Figures from Irish News
Waiting for OP appointment 6 Cos 300,000
Waiting for operation/procedure c100,000

Figures from NTPF for 26 at 31/12/20.
Waiting for OP appt 613,000
Waiting for procedure 63,000

By the end of the pandemic or the current wave at least I'd suspect we can add 10% to those.

[Angelo]

The thing about increasing public health spend in the south is that little of it is spent in improving front line staff and doctors. Most of it goes into the hands of executives and construction companies.

Irish hospital consultants are paid extremely well too.

The Children's Hospital fiasco shows why FG are unfit for government.

No party has ever questioned why we're building a Children's Hospital in the first place. The whole project is a scam from start to finish.

It will end up around 5x over budget and 5x past the proposed completion date with big flaws in its facilities.

[johnnycool]

Governments and voters chose tax cuts over public health in the 26 and the "UK" over the last 20+ years.

The opposite is true in the 26. Not even have there been no personal tax cuts since 2011, we've had the USC imposed, and tax credits and bands have not been adjusted for inflation, so that the tax burden is the highest in decades.

Meanwhile public health spending rose from €18.4bn in 2011 to €22.5bn in 2018. https://www.statista.com/statistics/433207/current-healthcare-expenditure-ireland/

The thing about increasing public health spend in the south is that little of it is spent in improving front line staff and doctors. Most of it goes into the hands of executives and construction companies.

The Children's Hospital fiasco shows why FG are unfit for government.

Public money is always easier spent when it's the ruling classes that stand to benefit from it...

[Angelo]

Governments and voters chose tax cuts over public health in the 26 and the "UK" over the last 20+ years.

The opposite is true in the 26. Not even have there been no personal tax cuts since 2011, we've had the USC imposed, and tax credits and bands have not been adjusted for inflation, so that the tax burden is the highest in decades.

Meanwhile public health spending rose from €18.4bn in 2011 to €22.5bn in 2018. https://www.statista.com/statistics/433207/current-healthcare-expenditure-ireland/

The thing about increasing public health spend in the south is that little of it is spent in improving front line staff and doctors. Most of it goes into the hands of executives and construction companies.

The Children's Hospital fiasco shows why FG are unfit for government.

Public money is always easier spent when it's the ruling classes that stand to benefit from it...

That's the culture of FFG. Vested interests who vote for policies that align with vested interest. It's why the free state is rotten, they have no interest in reform.

[dublin7]

The thing about increasing public health spend in the south is that little of it is spent in improving front line staff and doctors. Most of it goes into the hands of executives and construction companies.

Irish hospital consultants are paid extremely well too.

The Children's Hospital fiasco shows why FG are unfit for government.

No party has ever questioned why we're building a Children's Hospital in the first place. The whole project is a scam from start to finish.

The children's hospital is badly needed in this country. Temple Street for example is an old building that shouldn't be still in use, but unfortunately needs must.

The costs of the NCH are a joke at this stage and are still going up, but as it's the public sector in charge no is going to be held accountable for the screw ups.

[Angelo]

The thing about increasing public health spend in the south is that little of it is spent in improving front line staff and doctors. Most of it goes into the hands of executives and construction companies.

Irish hospital consultants are paid extremely well too.

The Children's Hospital fiasco shows why FG are unfit for government.

No party has ever questioned why we're building a Children's Hospital in the first place. The whole project is a scam from start to finish.

The children's hospital is badly needed in this country. Temple Street for example is an old building that shouldn't be still in use, but unfortunately needs must.

The costs of the NCH are a joke at this stage and are still going up, but as it's the public sector in charge no is going to be held accountable for the screw ups.

The party you vote for and support are repsonsible for it.

And the reason you claim to vote for them is their fiscal and economic capabilities.

Doesn't add up.

[clonadmad]

Figures from Irish News
Waiting for OP appointment 6 Cos 300,000
Waiting for operation/procedure c100,000

Figures from NTPF for 26 at 31/12/20.
Waiting for OP appt 613,000
Waiting for procedure 63,000

By the end of the pandemic or the current wave at least I'd suspect we can add 10% to those.

So with 36% of the population of the Republic

Pro Rata

The NI NHS should have 220,000 on waiting lists  appointments ,instead it has 80,00 more at 300,000

And it should have 36,000 waiting on procedures instead it has nearly double at 63,000

And we being told alll along that the Nordie health care was something to be looked up to !!!!!

[Rossfan]

The thing about increasing public health spend in the south is that little of it is spent in improving front line staff and doctors. Most of it goes into the hands of executives and construction companies.

Irish hospital consultants are paid extremely well too.

The Children's Hospital fiasco shows why FG are unfit for government.

No party has ever questioned why we're building a Children's Hospital in the first place. The whole project is a scam from start to finish.

The children's hospital is badly needed in this country. Temple Street for example is an old building that shouldn't be still in use, but unfortunately needs must.

The costs of the NCH are a joke at this stage and are still going up, but as it's the public sector in charge no is going to be held accountable for the screw ups.

You can start with your hero Bertie who held it up for years till he got it in his constituency.
Then it took another load of years to get that overturned but it ended up in just as unsuitable a location because consultants didn't want to be travelling the extra 5 or 10km to the 2 most suitable sites of Tallaght or Blanchardstown.
At this stage it will probably be 2030.....

Comparing the 2 Public Health Services in Ireland these days is like 2 bald men arguing over which of them have the most single hairs.

[five points]

Figures from Irish News
Waiting for OP appointment 6 Cos 300,000
Waiting for operation/procedure c100,000

Figures from NTPF for 26 at 31/12/20.
Waiting for OP appt 613,000
Waiting for procedure 63,000

By the end of the pandemic or the current wave at least I'd suspect we can add 10% to those.

So with 36% of the population of the Republic

Pro Rata

The NI NHS should have 220,000 on waiting lists  appointments ,instead it has 80,00 more at 300,000

And it should have 36,000 waiting on procedures instead it has nearly double at 63,000

And we being told alll along that the Nordie health care was something to be looked up to !!!!!

The ROI waiting lists are routinely fiddled. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/are-patient-waiting-lists-shrinking-for-the-right-reasons-1.4147197

The same may also be happening up north.

[clonadmad]

Figures from Irish News
Waiting for OP appointment 6 Cos 300,000
Waiting for operation/procedure c100,000

Figures from NTPF for 26 at 31/12/20.
Waiting for OP appt 613,000
Waiting for procedure 63,000

By the end of the pandemic or the current wave at least I'd suspect we can add 10% to those.

So with 36% of the population of the Republic

Pro Rata

The NI NHS should have 220,000 on waiting lists  appointments ,instead it has 80,00 more at 300,000

And it should have 36,000 waiting on procedures instead it has nearly double at 63,000

And we being told alll along that the Nordie health care was something to be looked up to !!!!!

The ROI waiting lists are routinely fiddled. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/are-patient-waiting-lists-shrinking-for-the-right-reasons-1.4147197

The same may also be happening up north.

I was expecting the NI numbers to be 20% at the very worst of what they are

Given all the guff we hear about how great the NHS is

[trailer]

If you want treatment for anything in the North you're going private. The vast majority of my friends have all went private to have children.

[Rossfan]

Many private Hospitals in the 6?