A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.

[T Fearon]

Are the people that matter talking about it? Is it the topic of conversation in shops,offices,factories and pubs all over Ireland? If so I must be mixing in the wrong circles.

[armaghniac]

We have had nothing but useless Governments North and South,and will have many more but it will not change a thing.As Alex Kane said last week if Britain does exit the EU it will be so lame that no one will spot the difference.In any event it won't change the fundamentals,a United Ireland is neither affordable nor wanted by any significant number of people,North and South.

Alex Kane is a unionist. There is no doubt that Brexit will,  initially at least,  fall short of the big talk. But even a 'Norway'  style deal,  which would be regarded as lame overall would not include agriculture,  and could have a big impact to on this island. Either because of the mess it creates or the new arrangements needed to prevent the mess.

[seafoid]

Are the people that matter talking about it? Is it the topic of conversation in shops,offices,factories and pubs all over Ireland? If so I must be mixing in the wrong circles.

People don't understand tail risk. Nobody thought AIB would collapse either.

14 May 2009 Irish Times

Mr Gleeson said nationalisation would be "a bad thing for shareholders and for Ireland"  and the bank would avoid it "at all costs".
Asked why AIB did not heed warnings from analysts about the risks facing the lender as far back as late 2006, Mr Gleeson said: "If you look at the tipsters for yesterday's racing, one in 10 of the tipsters is right and nine are wrong."


Nobody who voted Brexit wants a drop in income . Everybody wants no immigrants and a pony but Brexit will probably cost 20% of income the way things are going.

Jamie Oliver has to shut 6 restaurants in England because of the impact of the collapse of sterling on the price of Italian ingredients.
The unionist skiing business is already showing big drops in the number of Ulster skiers/marchers în EU ski resorts.

But no surrender to economic logic !

[seafoid]

The UK economy is a mess


" Deregulation of the financial sector (started by Thatcher in the late 1980s) has allowed the majority of our economy to become dependent on commercial bank credit.  This deliberate debt bubble creation has left us with an utter inability to pay down our debts en-mass.  As soon as any meaningful attempt is made, the economy contracts due to a shrinking of the money supply.
This debt based economic policy has continued through successive Labour, Tory and coalition governments.  Now the mathematical limits of ever-increasing debt have been reached, but none of the major parties have anything approaching an effective remedy for our economic ills."

The Pope is a better option

[BennyCake]

We have had nothing but useless Governments North and South,and will have many more but it will not change a thing.As Alex Kane said last week if Britain does exit the EU it will be so lame that no one will spot the difference.In any event it won't change the fundamentals,a United Ireland is neither affordable nor wanted by any significant number of people,North and South.

A lot of people do want a UI, but it all comes down to money.

I can't ever see a UI. Britain created this gerrymandered sectarian cesspit, then walked away. Sectarianism is ingrained in Protestantism, and they will never let Norn Iron slip from Britain's grasp. Above everything else (jobs, education, economy etc) that is their number one priority.

[T Fearon]

The unionist siege mentality is based on fear and insecurity.They do know deep down however that Britain doesn't want them and if only nationalists could understand Dublin doesn't want them,then we all can begin to realise no one else wants us and begin to come together in the North and find commonality in our culture and way of life which is substantially different to that in the UK and 26 counties.

[armaghniac]

Different how?  An alternative economic model based on other people paying?

[T Fearon]

The way of life,culture values of the North are substantially different to that of the UK and the 26 counties,leaving aside all economic arguments.We are more religious,more conservative,more community orientated,more plain speaking.

[seafoid]

The way of life,culture values of the North are substantially different to that of the UK and the 26 counties,leaving aside all economic arguments.We are more religious,more conservative,more community orientated,more plain speaking.

But people in the North like things like holidays and wine that sterling won't be able to buy the way things are going
British money bought off the dissenters after 1798 so it would be ironic if Brexit brought them back into the Republican fold and back to the flag.

[BennyCake]

The unionist siege mentality is based on fear and insecurity.They do know deep down however that Britain doesn't want them and if only nationalists could understand Dublin doesn't want them,then we all can begin to realise no one else wants us and begin to come together in the North and find commonality in our culture and way of life which is substantially different to that in the UK and 26 counties.

There is no common culture though. Unionist fear and insecurity, and all that.

[Rossfan]

Bejases some of ye are fairly "conservative" alright. ......still living in 1690.

[michaelg]

The unionist siege mentality is based on fear and insecurity.They do know deep down however that Britain doesn't want them and if only nationalists could understand Dublin doesn't want them,then we all can begin to realise no one else wants us and begin to come together in the North and find commonality in our culture and way of life which is substantially different to that in the UK and 26 counties.

There is no common culture though. Unionist fear and insecurity, and all that.

Do you not think that Unionists actually prefer the status quo (i.e. Remaining within the UK)?  Bit of a cliche to say that Unionist opposition to a UI is all about fear and insecurity.

[BallyhaiseMan]

Fearon, you have little in common with virtually all 6 county posters on this board, nevermind the overall Nationalist and Republican community in the North with your warped views.

You do have lots  in common with the DUP/Evangelical nutjob brigade on the unionist side however.

[T Fearon]

Your appreciation of diversity is astounding.Describing unionists as nut jobs merely confirms their prejudices.In fairness it is probably the predominant view of unionists by the people in the South

[BennyCake]

The unionist siege mentality is based on fear and insecurity.They do know deep down however that Britain doesn't want them and if only nationalists could understand Dublin doesn't want them,then we all can begin to realise no one else wants us and begin to come together in the North and find commonality in our culture and way of life which is substantially different to that in the UK and 26 counties.

There is no common culture though. Unionist fear and insecurity, and all that.

Do you not think that Unionists actually prefer the status quo (i.e. Remaining within the UK)?  Bit of a cliche to say that Unionist opposition to a UI is all about fear and insecurity.

I was merely recycling those words from another post.

Yes, they do prefer the quo. Understandably so, for them. But Britain created the Protestant mindset in this place.