A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.

[Rossfan]

50.9% of voters in Roscommon voted no to gay marriage.
What's that got to do with Tony's  claim of universal Unionist and significant nationalist opposition to it in the 6 Cos?
That's his opinion not a poll result.

[seafoid]

Please explain how the South (the North can't do it) will fund a United Ireland,in the million to one chance a majority on both sides of the border would agree to it? Explain how,for example,gay marriage will be introduced into the North in the face of universal unionist (and a significant volume of nationalist) resistance?

The UK will chip in say £5bn for x years 
Economic activity will generate another £4bn. Derry will get its hinterland back as will Newry and Monaghan.

[T Fearon]

Fantasy.It is not going to happen.Implacable opposition North and South

[seafoid]

Fantasy.It is not going to happen.Implacable opposition North and South

Brexit was never gong to happen. And now it's happening.
Northern Prods want the best for their kids.

[seafoid]

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mickey-harte-says-gaa-could-drop-irish-anthem-and-tricolour-from-games-when-time-is-right-35335665.html

[Rois]

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mickey-harte-says-gaa-could-drop-irish-anthem-and-tricolour-from-games-when-time-is-right-35335665.html

Hmmm I listened to the broadcast earlier. He was asked specifically about the issue. I don't think he said anything out of place other than suggest that precedent exists for change, and this portrayed the GAA in a positive light.
I wouldn't have expected MH to go all "Never, never, never" with the interviewer William Crawley, a former presbyterian minister.

[T Fearon]

This thread highlights once again the ignorance of free staters as far as the North is concerned.Unionists will not accept a United Ireland under any circumstances,economic or otherwise.

Also the southern government has not nor will ever actively campaign or plan for unity as they cannot afford it nor do they have any desire to manage 1m disaffected unionists.

[Rossfan]

So in 20 years time 700,000 Unionist  will be allowed to ignore the wishes of 1,000,000 Nationalists.
Tony's posts also highlights his ignorance of the 26 Counties.
The "Free State" was abolished in 1937 so there are no "Free Staters" any more.
Also there is no such thing as a "southern government". The Government  here is called the Irish Government. 
God but  some of the 6Cos lot are hard work

[T Fearon]

The Good Friday Agreement allows for both Governments to "consider" the outcome of a referendum on Irish Unity.That is a far cry from any commitment to enacting the will of the people,or a timetable etc,and to date SF cannot even persuade the Brits to hold a referendum,even when the chances of a vote for unity are slim!

There is no will or push for unity, North or South,Seafoid does not explain how it is affordable.During the GFA talks,a United Ireland wasn't even on the agenda.One of the strongest cases the free state Govt made for a Remain vote in the U.K. Referendum,was that the EU gave both the UK and the Free state an opportunity to consult on and manage any problems concerning the North on the fringes of EU meetings.That suggests that Dublin sees the UK rule in the North to be indefinite.

The govt in Dublin cannot be called an Irish Government when it only governs 26 counties.

[Milltown Row2]

So in 20 years time 700,000 Unionist  will be allowed to ignore the wishes of 1,000,000 Nationalists.
Tony's posts also highlights his ignorance of the 26 Counties.
The "Free State" was abolished in 1937 so there are no "Free Staters" any more.
Also there is no such thing as a "southern government". The Government  here is called the Irish Government. 
God but  some of the 6Cos lot are hard work

I still hear black north , Nordies and West brits, all directed to Catholics who live in N.I so f**k up

[screenexile]

So in 20 years time 700,000 Unionist  will be allowed to ignore the wishes of 1,000,000 Nationalists.
Tony's posts also highlights his ignorance of the 26 Counties.
The "Free State" was abolished in 1937 so there are no "Free Staters" any more.
Also there is no such thing as a "southern government". The Government  here is called the Irish Government. 
God but  some of the 6Cos lot are hard work

You're presuming that 1m Catholics will vote for Irish Unity should the situation arise.

Ideologically yes most Catholics want a United Ireland but much more importantly we need to know what that looks like. Would the NI people be better off joining the South or would Brexit have taken hold well by then and their lot would be better with the status quo.

A lot of assumptions made by the older generation who struggled and were beaten down by the Unionists/Brits but people born after the Civil Rights movement have had a decent life and are much more apathetic towards 'the cause'.

Basically unless our lives are obviously better off in a United Ireland it won't happen. There is no possible way life could be better for those in the 26 with us Uniting so on that side I see no chance it is happening anytime soon.

[seafoid]

The Good Friday Agreement allows for both Governments to "consider" the outcome of a referendum on Irish Unity.That is a far cry from any commitment to enacting the will of the people,or a timetable etc,and to date SF cannot even persuade the Brits to hold a referendum,even when the chances of a vote for unity are slim!

There is no will or push for unity, North or South,Seafoid does not explain how it is affordable.During the GFA talks,a United Ireland wasn't even on the agenda.One of the strongest cases the free state Govt made for a Remain vote in the U.K. Referendum,was that the EU gave both the UK and the Free state an opportunity to consult on and manage any problems concerning the North on the fringes of EU meetings.That suggests that Dublin sees the UK rule in the North to be indefinite.

The govt in Dublin cannot be called an Irish Government when it only governs 26 counties.

A UI might be like greatness. It may be thrust on Ireland. The Brits would continue to pay a certain amount. The EU would Chip in. And there would be economic advantages. RTE could bring the people around to the idea.
Pension funds could invest in the North rather than in bonds yielding 0.5% 

[Rossfan]

So in 20 years time 700,000 Unionist  will be allowed to ignore the wishes of 1,000,000 Nationalists.
Tony's posts also highlights his ignorance of the 26 Counties.
The "Free State" was abolished in 1937 so there are no "Free Staters" any more.
Also there is no such thing as a "southern government". The Government  here is called the Irish Government. 
God but  some of the 6Cos lot are hard work

.I so f**k up

You are certainly hard work

[Milltown Row2]

So in 20 years time 700,000 Unionist  will be allowed to ignore the wishes of 1,000,000 Nationalists.
Tony's posts also highlights his ignorance of the 26 Counties.
The "Free State" was abolished in 1937 so there are no "Free Staters" any more.
Also there is no such thing as a "southern government". The Government  here is called the Irish Government. 
God but  some of the 6Cos lot are hard work

.I so f**k up

You are certainly hard work

But you are a WUM! You do post stuff like Seafoid to get a rise (in your pants) about the north and it's very typical of a view 'nordies' have of the south... you've absolutely no interest in a united ireland

[Rossfan]

3 incorrect assertions in that post Milltown..