The SDLP

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tonto1888

Quote from: screenexile on December 23, 2019, 04:08:05 PM
Quote from: marty34 on December 23, 2019, 01:53:14 PM
Anyone who is against an ILa (standalone) at this time is a bigot in my opinion. 

People are pushing it as an ILA or health, or an ILA or education etc.  It can be and should be the two together etc. instead of one over the other. 

I read someone on here saying we'll sort health first, then down the line we'll sort the ILA. Fantasy stuff - health will never be sorted properly!! Wait to the yanks in comes and we'll see what happens.

Others say it's an hobby...a f##king hobby!!!

Absolute Drivel!!

Anyone against an Irish Language Act is a bigot. . . I think you need to check the definition of what a bigot is.

Take a poll of everyone in the North and see how many want a standalone Irish Language Act yet you want to do it in tandem with fixing the Health Service??

Like many in the Irish language lobby... fanatics!!

People are free to speak Irish if they want and councils that have Nationalist majorities are free to have bilingual signs. There is absolutely ZERO need for it to be legislated for as a standalone act!

There most certainly is need for one. Although I agree it shouldn't be prioritised over other things like health or education

armaghniac

Quote from: tonto1888 on December 23, 2019, 06:32:14 PM
Quote from: screenexile on December 23, 2019, 04:08:05 PM
Quote from: marty34 on December 23, 2019, 01:53:14 PM
Anyone who is against an ILa (standalone) at this time is a bigot in my opinion. 

People are pushing it as an ILA or health, or an ILA or education etc.  It can be and should be the two together etc. instead of one over the other. 

I read someone on here saying we'll sort health first, then down the line we'll sort the ILA. Fantasy stuff - health will never be sorted properly!! Wait to the yanks in comes and we'll see what happens.

Others say it's an hobby...a f##king hobby!!!

Absolute Drivel!!

Anyone against an Irish Language Act is a bigot. . . I think you need to check the definition of what a bigot is.

Take a poll of everyone in the North and see how many want a standalone Irish Language Act yet you want to do it in tandem with fixing the Health Service??

Like many in the Irish language lobby... fanatics!!

People are free to speak Irish if they want and councils that have Nationalist majorities are free to have bilingual signs. There is absolutely ZERO need for it to be legislated for as a standalone act!

There most certainly is need for one. Although I agree it shouldn't be prioritised over other things like health or education

The point is that it has nothing to do with health and little to do with education, 21 years after the GFA and 12 after the St Andrews agreement do you go along with DUP bigotry or not.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

smelmoth

Quote from: armaghniac on December 23, 2019, 11:10:23 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 23, 2019, 06:32:14 PM
Quote from: screenexile on December 23, 2019, 04:08:05 PM
Quote from: marty34 on December 23, 2019, 01:53:14 PM
Anyone who is against an ILa (standalone) at this time is a bigot in my opinion. 

People are pushing it as an ILA or health, or an ILA or education etc.  It can be and should be the two together etc. instead of one over the other. 

I read someone on here saying we'll sort health first, then down the line we'll sort the ILA. Fantasy stuff - health will never be sorted properly!! Wait to the yanks in comes and we'll see what happens.

Others say it's an hobby...a f##king hobby!!!

Absolute Drivel!!

Anyone against an Irish Language Act is a bigot. . . I think you need to check the definition of what a bigot is.

Take a poll of everyone in the North and see how many want a standalone Irish Language Act yet you want to do it in tandem with fixing the Health Service??

Like many in the Irish language lobby... fanatics!!

People are free to speak Irish if they want and councils that have Nationalist majorities are free to have bilingual signs. There is absolutely ZERO need for it to be legislated for as a standalone act!

There most certainly is need for one. Although I agree it shouldn't be prioritised over other things like health or education

The point is that it has nothing to do with health and little to do with education, 21 years after the GFA and 12 after the St Andrews agreement do you go along with DUP bigotry or not.

Have DUP and SF issued a statement to the effect that even if ILA is not resolved they will resume decision making on health and education?

smelmoth

Quote from: marty34 on December 23, 2019, 01:53:14 PM
Anyone who is against an ILa (standalone) at this time is a bigot in my opinion. 

People are pushing it as an ILA or health, or an ILA or education etc.  It can be and should be the two together etc. instead of one over the other. 

I read someone on here saying we'll sort health first, then down the line we'll sort the ILA. Fantasy stuff - health will never be sorted properly!! Wait to the yanks in comes and we'll see what happens.

Others say it's an hobby...a f##king hobby!!!

Unalloyed ignorance writ large.

Health is difficult but get back to work in the executive and do the work. A failure to do their job by the executive passes the buck to the front line who (in what I accept is a difficult sector) are at and now sadly beyond breaking point

Milltown Row2

Quote from: smelmoth on December 23, 2019, 11:40:35 PM
Quote from: marty34 on December 23, 2019, 01:53:14 PM
Anyone who is against an ILa (standalone) at this time is a bigot in my opinion. 

People are pushing it as an ILA or health, or an ILA or education etc.  It can be and should be the two together etc. instead of one over the other. 

I read someone on here saying we'll sort health first, then down the line we'll sort the ILA. Fantasy stuff - health will never be sorted properly!! Wait to the yanks in comes and we'll see what happens.

Others say it's an hobby...a f##king hobby!!!

Unalloyed ignorance writ large.

Health is difficult but get back to work in the executive and do the work. A failure to do their job by the executive passes the buck to the front line who (in what I accept is a difficult sector) are at and now sadly beyond breaking point

But more importantly is get those work documents bilingual, insure the medical report you get is in Irish also and I think Irish subtitles on tv is a must
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

smelmoth

Quote from: armaghniac on December 23, 2019, 04:29:10 PM
Quote from: screenexile on December 23, 2019, 04:08:05 PM


People are free to speak Irish if they want and councils that have Nationalist majorities are free to have bilingual signs. There is absolutely ZERO need for it to be legislated for as a standalone act!

Yes there is, not everyone lives in an area with a nationalist majority. Irish people should be able to use Irish in all parts of their own country.

You are free to use Irish. You are free to use it anywhere you like. You might reasonably be expected to be circumspect in your expectation that your interlocutor will be or indeed should be be conversant in Irish

JohnDenver

Quote from: smelmoth on December 23, 2019, 11:50:03 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 23, 2019, 04:29:10 PM
Quote from: screenexile on December 23, 2019, 04:08:05 PM


People are free to speak Irish if they want and councils that have Nationalist majorities are free to have bilingual signs. There is absolutely ZERO need for it to be legislated for as a standalone act!

Yes there is, not everyone lives in an area with a nationalist majority. Irish people should be able to use Irish in all parts of their own country.

You are free to use Irish. You are free to use it anywhere you like. You might reasonably be expected to be circumspect in your expectation that your interlocutor will be or indeed should be be conversant in Irish

Why the need for a language act in any country then? If the mighty empire had their way they would have gotten rid of every language except english. It's important to protect it. Not a case of shoving it down the throat of anybody that doesn't want to learn or use it. It's giving them the same rights to use it as their native language. The number of children being educated primarily through Irish is growing and will continue to do so.

You wouldn't have been "free" to use Irish, or be openly gay in a lot of places here not so long ago, and especially with the kind of attitude you's are peddling.

smelmoth

Quote from: JohnDenver on December 24, 2019, 09:13:32 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on December 23, 2019, 11:50:03 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 23, 2019, 04:29:10 PM
Quote from: screenexile on December 23, 2019, 04:08:05 PM


People are free to speak Irish if they want and councils that have Nationalist majorities are free to have bilingual signs. There is absolutely ZERO need for it to be legislated for as a standalone act!

Yes there is, not everyone lives in an area with a nationalist majority. Irish people should be able to use Irish in all parts of their own country.

You are free to use Irish. You are free to use it anywhere you like. You might reasonably be expected to be circumspect in your expectation that your interlocutor will be or indeed should be be conversant in Irish

Why the need for a language act in any country then? If the mighty empire had their way they would have gotten rid of every language except english. It's important to protect it. Not a case of shoving it down the throat of anybody that doesn't want to learn or use it. It's giving them the same rights to use it as their native language. The number of children being educated primarily through Irish is growing and will continue to do so.

You wouldn't have been "free" to use Irish, or be openly gay in a lot of places here not so long ago, and especially with the kind of attitude you's are peddling.

I am very happy for the Irish language to be protected. There are steps that be taken to encourage it. That is not the same as saying we must have a stand alone carte blanche act. And it's not the same as saying we cannot address any other problem until the ILA is agreed.

As I posted earlier we are in Brexit means Brexit or Get Brexit Done territory here. People are fixating on the creation or denial of a thing to be called the ILA. Surely the content of the act is the really critical point. It's anazi that people can have such strong views on the ILA and no bloody clue as to its content

armaghniac

Quote from: smelmoth on December 24, 2019, 01:03:49 PM
I am very happy for the Irish language to be protected. There are steps that be taken to encourage it. That is not the same as saying we must have a stand alone carte blanche act. And it's not the same as saying we cannot address any other problem until the ILA is agreed.

This issue has been on the go since the GFA. Exactly how long do you propose the allow the DUP ensure there are no signs of Taigs  about the place?
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

smelmoth

Quote from: armaghniac on December 24, 2019, 01:58:24 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on December 24, 2019, 01:03:49 PM
I am very happy for the Irish language to be protected. There are steps that be taken to encourage it. That is not the same as saying we must have a stand alone carte blanche act. And it's not the same as saying we cannot address any other problem until the ILA is agreed.

This issue has been on the go since the GFA. Exactly how long do you propose the allow the DUP ensure there are no signs of Taigs  about the place?

I'll start with some things I wouldn't do.

I wouldn't run away from executive responsibilities now. This place needs government. Either do your job or piss off and let someone else do it. In essence I would not make ILA a precondition of addressing other problems.

Secondly I would not set a deadline in isolation by which an ILA has to be place. The content of the act is more important than its title so anything that focuses on the title in isolation should be dismissed for the childishness that it is.

As for what I would do.

I would work towards publishing a detailed draft of the bill. This would be done to prove the reasonableness and feasibility of its provisions. Move the debate on from the title. Expose any unreasonable opposition to the Act and simultaneously expose unreasonable demands for what should be in it.

In essence break away from the idiocy that SF and DUP provide today and actually govern this place

Angelo

Quote from: smelmoth on December 24, 2019, 02:53:50 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 24, 2019, 01:58:24 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on December 24, 2019, 01:03:49 PM
I am very happy for the Irish language to be protected. There are steps that be taken to encourage it. That is not the same as saying we must have a stand alone carte blanche act. And it's not the same as saying we cannot address any other problem until the ILA is agreed.

This issue has been on the go since the GFA. Exactly how long do you propose the allow the DUP ensure there are no signs of Taigs  about the place?

I'll start with some things I wouldn't do.

I wouldn't run away from executive responsibilities now. This place needs government. Either do your job or piss off and let someone else do it. In essence I would not make ILA a precondition of addressing other problems.

Secondly I would not set a deadline in isolation by which an ILA has to be place. The content of the act is more important than its title so anything that focuses on the title in isolation should be dismissed for the childishness that it is.

As for what I would do.

I would work towards publishing a detailed draft of the bill. This would be done to prove the reasonableness and feasibility of its provisions. Move the debate on from the title. Expose any unreasonable opposition to the Act and simultaneously expose unreasonable demands for what should be in it.

In essence break away from the idiocy that SF and DUP provide today and actually govern this place

How do you break away from the idiocy of the DUP when they are the majority party in the state? As long as the unionist electorate keep returning the DUP then forming a government is impossible from a nationalist viewpoint.
GAA FUNDING CHEATS CHEAT US ALL

smelmoth

Quote from: Angelo on December 25, 2019, 07:18:21 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on December 24, 2019, 02:53:50 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 24, 2019, 01:58:24 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on December 24, 2019, 01:03:49 PM
I am very happy for the Irish language to be protected. There are steps that be taken to encourage it. That is not the same as saying we must have a stand alone carte blanche act. And it's not the same as saying we cannot address any other problem until the ILA is agreed.

This issue has been on the go since the GFA. Exactly how long do you propose the allow the DUP ensure there are no signs of Taigs  about the place?

I'll start with some things I wouldn't do.

I wouldn't run away from executive responsibilities now. This place needs government. Either do your job or piss off and let someone else do it. In essence I would not make ILA a precondition of addressing other problems.

Secondly I would not set a deadline in isolation by which an ILA has to be place. The content of the act is more important than its title so anything that focuses on the title in isolation should be dismissed for the childishness that it is.

As for what I would do.

I would work towards publishing a detailed draft of the bill. This would be done to prove the reasonableness and feasibility of its provisions. Move the debate on from the title. Expose any unreasonable opposition to the Act and simultaneously expose unreasonable demands for what should be in it.

In essence break away from the idiocy that SF and DUP provide today and actually govern this place

How do you break away from the idiocy of the DUP
Things like the above. Work with the idiots who are elected, expose their idiocy but don't match or mirror it
Quote from: Angelo on December 25, 2019, 07:18:21 PM
when they are the majority party in the state?
No they are not
Quote from: Angelo on December 25, 2019, 07:18:21 PM
As long as the unionist electorate keep returning the DUP then forming a government is impossible from a nationalist viewpoint.

We all have the same responsibility to make this place governable

Angelo

Quote from: smelmoth on December 26, 2019, 09:10:37 AM
Quote from: Angelo on December 25, 2019, 07:18:21 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on December 24, 2019, 02:53:50 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 24, 2019, 01:58:24 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on December 24, 2019, 01:03:49 PM
I am very happy for the Irish language to be protected. There are steps that be taken to encourage it. That is not the same as saying we must have a stand alone carte blanche act. And it's not the same as saying we cannot address any other problem until the ILA is agreed.

This issue has been on the go since the GFA. Exactly how long do you propose the allow the DUP ensure there are no signs of Taigs  about the place?

I'll start with some things I wouldn't do.

I wouldn't run away from executive responsibilities now. This place needs government. Either do your job or piss off and let someone else do it. In essence I would not make ILA a precondition of addressing other problems.

Secondly I would not set a deadline in isolation by which an ILA has to be place. The content of the act is more important than its title so anything that focuses on the title in isolation should be dismissed for the childishness that it is.

As for what I would do.

I would work towards publishing a detailed draft of the bill. This would be done to prove the reasonableness and feasibility of its provisions. Move the debate on from the title. Expose any unreasonable opposition to the Act and simultaneously expose unreasonable demands for what should be in it.

In essence break away from the idiocy that SF and DUP provide today and actually govern this place

How do you break away from the idiocy of the DUP
Things like the above. Work with the idiots who are elected, expose their idiocy but don't match or mirror it
Quote from: Angelo on December 25, 2019, 07:18:21 PM
when they are the majority party in the state?
No they are not
Quote from: Angelo on December 25, 2019, 07:18:21 PM
As long as the unionist electorate keep returning the DUP then forming a government is impossible from a nationalist viewpoint.

We all have the same responsibility to make this place governable

How do you work with the DUP though? How do you work with Arlene? We've all seen their casual bigotry at every turn, we've seen their indifference to corruption and scandals with the RHI.

As long as the unionists keep returning the DUP, the north will remain ungovernable.

They are the majority party in the state, plain and simple, power sharing cannot work without them and it won't work with them either.
GAA FUNDING CHEATS CHEAT US ALL

Kidder81

SF and DUP can work quite well together when they are dishing out money to their pet projects and cronies at local government and council level, let's not fool ourselves

Angelo

Quote from: Kidder81 on December 26, 2019, 11:26:00 AM
SF and DUP can work quite well together when they are dishing out money to their pet projects and cronies at local government and council level, let's not fool ourselves

So you're saying that SF should go back in and be lackeys for the DUP?
GAA FUNDING CHEATS CHEAT US ALL