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« Reply #10365 on: September 14, 2017, 12:22:16 PM »
21 straight wins for the Indians, an American League record.  Amazing.

Yeah but in a while they will wake up and understand that they are caveland and find a way not to win the world series, they are a half step up from Buffalo in the biggest losers category in American sports.

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« Reply #10366 on: September 14, 2017, 05:49:41 PM »
Stew, that caveland comment is so out of date.  Cleveland teams have been doing very well, apart from the Browns, who suck. The Cavs have won a championship and are now perennial contenders.  The Indians have made it to the World Series and are the best team in the American League, with great pitching and hitting and a bona fide Cy Young contender.  How about a little credit when its due instead of reverting to limp stereotypes.  Buffalo?  They have neither an MLB nor an NBA team.  21 straight wins isn't just damn good, it's record-breaking. 

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« Reply #10367 on: September 14, 2017, 10:25:06 PM »
Stew, that caveland comment is so out of date.  Cleveland teams have been doing very well, apart from the Browns, who suck. The Cavs have won a championship and are now perennial contenders.  The Indians have made it to the World Series and are the best team in the American League, with great pitching and hitting and a bona fide Cy Young contender.  How about a little credit when its due instead of reverting to limp stereotypes.  Buffalo?  They have neither an MLB nor an NBA team.  21 straight wins isn't just damn good, it's record-breaking.


Contenders? Who the hell cares about contenders?

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« Reply #10368 on: September 14, 2017, 10:29:56 PM »
Stew, that caveland comment is so out of date.  Cleveland teams have been doing very well, apart from the Browns, who suck. The Cavs have won a championship and are now perennial contenders.  The Indians have made it to the World Series and are the best team in the American League, with great pitching and hitting and a bona fide Cy Young contender.  How about a little credit when its due instead of reverting to limp stereotypes.  Buffalo?  They have neither an MLB nor an NBA team.  21 straight wins isn't just damn good, it's record-breaking.

Orais, they have one title in 52 or 53 years, I think the last one they had prior to Le Bron winning them a title was back in 1964, that is ridiculous!

The Browns are a disgrace and have been since their inception and the Indians are very good but cant seem to get it done, it is a sports mad town like Green Bay except they do not have a clue how to win it all.
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« Reply #10369 on: September 14, 2017, 10:47:09 PM »
Cmon, Stew, things have turned around in Cleveland.  The Indians have made it to the World Series, and the Cavs have won the title and played in the final last year.  The cry of "Next Year" is history.  In Cleveland, next year is now.

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« Reply #10370 on: September 14, 2017, 11:59:37 PM »
Cmon, Stew, things have turned around in Cleveland.  The Indians have made it to the World Series, and the Cavs have won the title and played in the final last year.  The cry of "Next Year" is history.  In Cleveland, next year is now.

I love Cleveland as a sporting city, the Browns fans are unreal, the problem Orais is the exact reason I lit a fire under you with the Caveland comment, you lot see to be fine with settng records and almost winning titles, that is a losing mentality, you would never get that in Green Bay or Boston.
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« Reply #10371 on: September 15, 2017, 02:25:05 AM »
Stew, I think you're reflecting an essentially American attitude about competition, the idea that teams are only great if they win championships.  I have coached track and field, soccer and quiz bowl at the high school level.  In quiz bowl, for example, there are hundreds of schools that compete in the state championship, but only one school wins that state title.  Does that mean that the hundreds of non-winners are failures? I don't think so.  For example, I coached two teams that won the state championship, but I also coached a few others that were just as good, won all but one of their matches, but were terrific teams.  The Indians are like that.  They're in with a good shot to win the title, but if they come up short, though disappointing, it doesn't mean they're not a great team.  I certainly respect the Packers' achievement, but think a lot less of the Red Sox who can essentially buy a championship.  The Indians' performance is particularly remarkable given that we're a small-market team.

Update: Indians beat the Royals 3-2 in extra innings.  22 straight!
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« Reply #10372 on: September 15, 2017, 08:10:50 AM »
Hang on. For such a paragon of sports, Green Bay has won how many superbowls since Bart Starr? And what else have they won that makes them so great? The Bucks? The Brewers? University of Wisconsin? You said yourself that the Packers are hugely underperforming given their talent.

Plus the Browns had a great draft with Kevin Costner as GM!

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« Reply #10373 on: September 15, 2017, 09:51:53 AM »
Hang on. For such a paragon of sports, Green Bay has won how many superbowls since Bart Starr? And what else have they won that makes them so great? The Bucks? The Brewers? University of Wisconsin? You said yourself that the Packers are hugely underperforming given their talent.

Plus the Browns had a great draft with Kevin Costner as GM!

Green Bay is a city, not a state, Green Bay is easily the smallest city ever in the States to have a major sporting entity, they call it Titletown USA, and they call it that for a reason, the GBP have won more world championships than any other franchise in football history.

The Bucks are from Milwaukee as are the Brewers, the Badgers are Madison based, none of those places are within a hundred miles of Green Bay, to answer your question about the Packers and superbowls post Starr, they won it in 96 with Favre and with Rodgers in the noughties, notice I did not speak to their near misses? Coming second means nothing in Green Bay, in Cleveland they seem to take pride in it, that is the difference.
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« Reply #10374 on: September 15, 2017, 09:58:16 AM »
I know Green Bay is a city FFS. Cleveland is also a city. A city that supports 3 of the 4 major sports. I'm aware that the Packers are the only show in town there, really, but are you in a position to throw insults at poor Cleveland when they are competitive (at least) in 2 of the major sports?

Talk of Green Bay as 'title town' is vastly overrated. San Francisco, Dallas, Pittsburgh and New England have won more Superbowls than the Pack. And if you are going back to the pre-merger days to add up to your 9, then you have to give the Cardinals credit for their one too :)

I can't believe you thought you had to explain the geography of Wisconsin to me, I'm familiar with the sports teams up there, but to give a like comparison with Cleveland I thought at least I'd balance it up by saying ye'd support the Wisconsin teams there.

Green Bay is not Titletown, no more than Dallas is America's Team. And as a sports hub, Cleveland is doing quite well at the moment.


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« Reply #10375 on: September 15, 2017, 10:54:31 AM »
I know Green Bay is a city FFS. Cleveland is also a city. A city that supports 3 of the 4 major sports. I'm aware that the Packers are the only show in town there, really, but are you in a position to throw insults at poor Cleveland when they are competitive (at least) in 2 of the major sports?

Talk of Green Bay as 'title town' is vastly overrated. San Francisco, Dallas, Pittsburgh and New England have won more Superbowls than the Pack. And if you are going back to the pre-merger days to add up to your 9, then you have to give the Cardinals credit for their one too :)

I can't believe you thought you had to explain the geography of Wisconsin to me, I'm familiar with the sports teams up there, but to give a like comparison with Cleveland I thought at least I'd balance it up by saying ye'd support the Wisconsin teams there.

Green Bay is not Titletown, no more than Dallas is America's Team. And as a sports hub, Cleveland is doing quite well at the moment.

Eh, I did not think I had to explain the layout of the State to you, others read this thread and don't know, it was to make things easier for them.

I lived in New England well before I moved to Green Bay, I love the Red Sox, Bruins and Celtics, I like the Pats as well but was disgusted at the hoodies cheating over the years, I prefer the packers now simply because the fans are brilliant and my best mate kept taking me to games and my kid is a diehard fan who I have bought over 60 tickets for.

Where do you get nine titles from???
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« Reply #10376 on: September 15, 2017, 11:01:22 AM »
13 Titles in Titletown, not 9 AZ.
They won their first three by league standing (1929, 1930 and 1931), and 10 since the NFL's playoff system was established in 1933 (1936, 1939, 1944, 1961, 1962, 1965, 1966, 1967, 1996 and 2010).
Green Bay also is the only NFL team to win three straight titles, having done it twice (1929-30-31 and 1965-66-67).
In addition, the Packers won the first two Super Bowls (over Kansas City in 1966, 35-10, and over Oakland in 1967, 33-14), as well as two more recently (over New England in 1996, 35-21, and over Pittsburgh in 2010, 31-25).
Since the league implemented a playoff system in 1933, the Packers have played in the NFL's deciding game 13 times (10 NFL title appearances from 1936-67, three Super Bowls after the 1970 merger). Only the Giants (19) have played for more titles.


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« Reply #10377 on: September 15, 2017, 11:02:28 AM »
No idea where I got that, it was stuck in my head for some reason.

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« Reply #10378 on: September 15, 2017, 11:03:17 AM »
13 Titles in Titletown, not 9 AZ.
They won their first three by league standing (1929, 1930 and 1931), and 10 since the NFL's playoff system was established in 1933 (1936, 1939, 1944, 1961, 1962, 1965, 1966, 1967, 1996 and 2010).
Green Bay also is the only NFL team to win three straight titles, having done it twice (1929-30-31 and 1965-66-67).
In addition, the Packers won the first two Super Bowls (over Kansas City in 1966, 35-10, and over Oakland in 1967, 33-14), as well as two more recently (over New England in 1996, 35-21, and over Pittsburgh in 2010, 31-25).
Since the league implemented a playoff system in 1933, the Packers have played in the NFL's deciding game 13 times (10 NFL title appearances from 1936-67, three Super Bowls after the 1970 merger). Only the Giants (19) have played for more titles.

I thought you weren't counting 'nearly' ;)

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« Reply #10379 on: September 15, 2017, 11:08:03 AM »
13 Titles in Titletown, not 9 AZ.
They won their first three by league standing (1929, 1930 and 1931), and 10 since the NFL's playoff system was established in 1933 (1936, 1939, 1944, 1961, 1962, 1965, 1966, 1967, 1996 and 2010).
Green Bay also is the only NFL team to win three straight titles, having done it twice (1929-30-31 and 1965-66-67).
In addition, the Packers won the first two Super Bowls (over Kansas City in 1966, 35-10, and over Oakland in 1967, 33-14), as well as two more recently (over New England in 1996, 35-21, and over Pittsburgh in 2010, 31-25).

I don't, I cut and pasted that to show yu just why Green Bay is Titletown USA, 13 titles is some haul.

Since the league implemented a playoff system in 1933, the Packers have played in the NFL's deciding game 13 times (10 NFL title appearances from 1936-67, three Super Bowls after the 1970 merger). Only the Giants (19) have played for more titles.

I thought you weren't counting 'nearly' ;)
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