What if there had been no Irish famine?

[seafoid]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyLQJ3F5ues

[armaghniac]

If there had not been a famine, the Mayo would surely have won Sam in the last 70 years.

[From the Bunker]

If there had not been a famine, the Mayo would surely have won Sam in the last 70 years.

But they won All Irelands after the Famine, I don't understand the logic?

[Armagh18]

If there had not been a famine, the Mayo would surely have won Sam in the last 70 years.

But they won All Irelands after the Famine, I don't understand the logic?

Think about it....

[seafoid]

In the economic system countries are either core or periphery. The Netherlands and England are core. Eastern Europe is periphery.
Ireland didn't have any coal or iron ore so no source of internal capital. Ireland was peripheral. How would it have become core ?

[From the Bunker]

If there had not been a famine, the Mayo would surely have won Sam in the last 70 years.

But they won All Irelands after the Famine, I don't understand the logic?

Think about it....

You are going to have to spoon feed me the logic.

[seafoid]

If population was 4x Gaelic would be professional and teams would be as per soccer, not based on county.

[From the Bunker]

If population was 4x Gaelic would be professional and teams would be as per soccer, not based on county.

Then there would be no County system that evolved from the club system, maybe a Castlebar FC that would be the local representitive.

[seafoid]

If population was 4x Gaelic would be professional and teams would be as per soccer, not based on county.

Then there would be no County system that evolved from the club system, maybe a Castlebar FC that would be the local representitive.

It would be far less local. Maybe the administration would be more professional. 

[From the Bunker]

If population was 4x Gaelic would be professional and teams would be as per soccer, not based on county.

Then there would be no County system that evolved from the club system, maybe a Castlebar FC that would be the local representitive.

It would be far less local. Maybe the administration would be more professional. 

Ballina Stephenites were the pace-setters in Mayo originally. That's where Mayo got the Green and red!

[Eamonnca1]

Fermanagh would win Ulster.

Prior to the famine, Armagh was the most densely populated county, but that could never have been sustained particularly when the linen trade started to contract.

I'm not sure about that. Industry can stick around in a different form long after the original business is gone. Belfast is still a decent size long after the heyday of shipbuilding. Ditto for Glasgow. Towns like Lurgan that were linen powerhouses still held onto a textile industry into the 1990s, and are still quite industrial.

[Eamonnca1]

In the economic system countries are either core or periphery. The Netherlands and England are core. Eastern Europe is periphery.
Ireland didn't have any coal or iron ore so no source of internal capital. Ireland was peripheral. How would it have become core ?

If the Navan-Kingscourt railway line had made it as far north as Carrickmacross and Castleblayney, and a direct line added from Armagh to Dungannon, Coalisland would have had its rail connection to Dublin. The coal industry in the area may have grown a lot more.

As for the Netherlands, it may be sitting on the giant Groningen oil field now, but its source of wealth originally was its ability to trade with the rest of the world. You don't necessarily need natural resources to become 'core' as you put it. Venice was the same, it was another trading powerhouse in its day.

[armaghniac]

If the Navan-Kingscourt railway line had made it as far north as Carrickmacross and Castleblayney, and a direct line added from Armagh to Dungannon, Coalisland would have had its rail connection to Dublin. The coal industry in the area may have grown a lot more.

This is a hugely interesting atlas looking at transport and the economy is pre famine Ireland
https://digitalcollections.tcd.ie/concern/works/tx31qk36n?locale=en

their proposal for a Dublin-Belfast rail line was via Navan Kingscourt, Carricmacross, Castleblayney and Armagh. This would have reflected the capacity of 1830s steam engines which could not have easily faced the climb to the Gap of the North.

[seafoid]

In the economic system countries are either core or periphery. The Netherlands and England are core. Eastern Europe is periphery.
Ireland didn't have any coal or iron ore so no source of internal capital. Ireland was peripheral. How would it have become core ?

If the Navan-Kingscourt railway line had made it as far north as Carrickmacross and Castleblayney, and a direct line added from Armagh to Dungannon, Coalisland would have had its rail connection to Dublin. The coal industry in the area may have grown a lot more.

As for the Netherlands, it may be sitting on the giant Groningen oil field now, but its source of wealth originally was its ability to trade with the rest of the world. You don't necessarily need natural resources to become 'core' as you put it. Venice was the same, it was another trading powerhouse in its day.

You either need resources or location. Both drive core status. Venice is in the Po Valley. Portadown is not.
Ireland is on the edge of Europe. The Netherlands is not. It has the Rhine and is between England and Germany.

[seafoid]

Ireland had SFA human capital in 1830. Even in 1921 the decision making and preparation of the treaty team was shite. The Brits ran rings around them.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/tension-between-unionist-hearts-and-pockets-as-relevant-today-as-100-years-ago-1.4694244

The Irish delegates led by Arthur Griffith were poorly prepared and, unlike the British side, lacked an opening position paper. As the doyen of Anglo-Irish historical analysis, Nicholas Mansergh was later to note, "the basic paper at any conference is apt to determine the parameters of subsequent discussion . . . This was to prove no exception."