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If you have/had a vote, how will/would you vote?

Yes
122 (87.8%)
No
17 (12.2%)

Total Members Voted: 139

Voting closed: September 18, 2014, 11:36:16 AM

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Re: Scottish independence referendum thread
« Reply #765 on: May 09, 2021, 09:44:47 PM »
The UK is walking into a constitutional crisis.
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Re: Scottish independence referendum thread
« Reply #766 on: May 09, 2021, 09:50:08 PM »
The UK is walking into a constitutional crisis.

Fingers crossed .  ;D

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Re: Scottish independence referendum thread
« Reply #767 on: May 10, 2021, 09:09:44 AM »
MG and the British government have changed their stance it seems after viewing the Andrew Marr show yesterday. One suspects the Tories and the SNP are strapping in for the fight. From a law background constitutionally I think if the UK AG Refers the Referendum Bill to the SC then the UK government will win on a literal reading of the 1998 Scotland Act. But this would be a very unpopular move and they know it, it would probably work against them. I hate the Tories but the good think for them is the independence movement right now is split  due to the Salmond issues, and also the SNP have huge amounts of work to do around economics and finance to attract the uncertain/undecided vote.   It will be interesting to see if Nicola reaches out to Brussels in this whole issues and if the Europeans get involved to knife the Brits in the back aiding the independence movement.   

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« Reply #768 on: May 10, 2021, 09:18:09 AM »
MG and the British government have changed their stance it seems after viewing the Andrew Marr show yesterday. One suspects the Tories and the SNP are strapping in for the fight. From a law background constitutionally I think if the UK AG Refers the Referendum Bill to the SC then the UK government will win on a literal reading of the 1998 Scotland Act. But this would be a very unpopular move and they know it, it would probably work against them. I hate the Tories but the good think for them is the independence movement right now is split  due to the Salmond issues, and also the SNP have huge amounts of work to do around economics and finance to attract the uncertain/undecided vote.   It will be interesting to see if Nicola reaches out to Brussels in this whole issues and if the Europeans get involved to knife the Brits in the back aiding the independence movement.

I think Brussels has already unofficially pushed out the welcome mat for Scotland, they haven't been rebuffed anyway. As solid as the victory for Independence parties has been last week, the dichotomy for Sturgeon is that she doesn't want to hold a referendum until the pandemic abates and conditions normalise, yet economic improvement is playing into pro-union hands. Tories will highlight it to say that 'we're better together' and London will love-bomb Caledonia in the meantime with financial inducements and job promises. Timing will be critical and the Tories will brazen it out for as long as possible in the hope that Scots get fed up with the whole thing. If opinion polls continue to show a majority for independence though, there's no doubt it will turn up the heat strongly under BJ.

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Re: Scottish independence referendum thread
« Reply #769 on: May 10, 2021, 09:45:32 AM »
Gove telling the SNP to concentrate on Covid is arrogance in the extreme considering the cluster fķck they made of it down in London.

He's got a strange way of strengthening the union and IIRC he's Scottish by birth, isn't he?

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Re: Scottish independence referendum thread
« Reply #770 on: May 10, 2021, 10:50:04 AM »
Give was born in Scotland alright but I won't hold that against him.
He's one reprehensible yoke.
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Re: Scottish independence referendum thread
« Reply #771 on: May 11, 2021, 02:34:49 PM »
Why not have a spot of partition, it worked so well in Ireland.

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« Reply #772 on: May 11, 2021, 02:50:03 PM »
The same level of stupid as the Sky interviewer who asked would English be no longer the language of an Independent Scotland.
If they're into partitioning how about splitting the Countries/regions/ cities who voted to remain in the EU?
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Re: Scottish independence referendum thread
« Reply #773 on: May 11, 2021, 11:21:14 PM »
MG and the British government have changed their stance it seems after viewing the Andrew Marr show yesterday. One suspects the Tories and the SNP are strapping in for the fight. From a law background constitutionally I think if the UK AG Refers the Referendum Bill to the SC then the UK government will win on a literal reading of the 1998 Scotland Act. But this would be a very unpopular move and they know it, it would probably work against them. I hate the Tories but the good think for them is the independence movement right now is split  due to the Salmond issues, and also the SNP have huge amounts of work to do around economics and finance to attract the uncertain/undecided vote.   It will be interesting to see if Nicola reaches out to Brussels in this whole issues and if the Europeans get involved to knife the Brits in the back aiding the independence movement.

I think Brussels has already unofficially pushed out the welcome mat for Scotland, they haven't been rebuffed anyway. As solid as the victory for Independence parties has been last week, the dichotomy for Sturgeon is that she doesn't want to hold a referendum until the pandemic abates and conditions normalise, yet economic improvement is playing into pro-union hands. Tories will highlight it to say that 'we're better together' and London will love-bomb Caledonia in the meantime with financial inducements and job promises. Timing will be critical and the Tories will brazen it out for as long as possible in the hope that Scots get fed up with the whole thing. If opinion polls continue to show a majority for independence though, there's no doubt it will turn up the heat strongly under BJ.

When was this red carpet rolled out?

Have the SNP done the groundwork to sell the Euro to the Scottish electorate?

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Re: Scottish independence referendum thread
« Reply #774 on: May 11, 2021, 11:31:17 PM »
The UK is walking into a constitutional crisis.

This is true.

SNP canít win the legal battles they are threatening.

Tories canít answer the question about what avenue is open to the independence movement in Scotland.

Something has to give.

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Re: Scottish independence referendum thread
« Reply #775 on: September 09, 2021, 12:27:46 PM »
Britain Elects twitter feed today

Scottish Westminster voting intention:

SNP: 51% (+4)
CON: 21% (-4)
LAB: 17% (-3)
LDEM: 5% (+1)

via @OpiniumResearch
Chgs. w/ 03 May

The SNP will be heartened by the figures as it all appeared to be going a bit pear shaped recently- not that it's definitive in anyway.

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Re: Scottish independence referendum thread
« Reply #776 on: September 09, 2021, 02:04:55 PM »
What will be interesting in the coming year is when the legislature in Edinburgh passes the referendum bill the fight that will begin in the courts rep article 30 of the Scotland act 1998 - one suspects the court of session will allow the bill to proceed then the fun in the Supreme Court really starts with 2 Scottish judges on the bench in London well anything  is possible

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Re: Scottish independence referendum thread
« Reply #777 on: June 16, 2022, 06:20:25 PM »
I saw something on Twitter that there's to be another referendum in October 2023 according to Scottish Constitution Secretary.
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