Okay, so I know you guys have been discussing this on FAI thread but think it deserves it's own thread. So where are you all on this?
A lot of the older folk and depends what part of Ireland you're from will say "what's the problem the IRA played their part in protecting the Irish against the British Army and Loyalists" etc etc
Some of the younger folk will probably feel "no call for it and lets move on with that crap" and others don't even know what they're singing about (just a catchy tune).
The SKY fella interviewing the Ireland Captain a few days ago asked should they be educated...WTF. They should be educated, have they forgotten what they done and not to just our Country but to numerous Countries around the World. The conflict is over and it's now fought with a pen but I don't think we should be ashamed of our past and our roots, I know there were terrible things done that should never have happened and i'm not condoning that but without the IRA in the 70's God only knows where we'd be and what situation we'd be in right now. Probably still wouldn't be allowed a vote or a job.
Is singing "Ooh ah up the Ra" really a criminal thing?
Thoughts?
Quote from: illdecide on October 14, 2022, 09:27:16 AM
Okay, so I know you guys have been discussing this on FAI thread but think it deserves it's own thread. So where are you all on this?
A lot of the older folk and depends what part of Ireland you're from will say "what's the problem the IRA played their part in protecting the Irish against the British Army and Loyalists" etc etc
Some of the younger folk will probably feel "no call for it and lets move on with that crap" and others don't even know what they're singing about (just a catchy tune).
The SKY fella interviewing the Ireland Captain a few days ago asked should they be educated...WTF. They should be educated, have they forgotten what they done and not to just our Country but to numerous Countries around the World. The conflict is over and it's now fought with a pen but I don't think we should be ashamed of our past and our roots, I know there were terrible things done that should never have happened and i'm not condoning that but without the IRA in the 70's God only knows where we'd be and what situation we'd be in right now. Probably still wouldn't be allowed a vote or a job.
Is singing "Ooh ah up the Ra" really a criminal thing?
Thoughts?
It's not criminal it's just in bad taste.
It's become something people sing without thinking about (I'm sure many on here have as have I a long time ago) and now because of camera phones these things reach much further than just the dressing room so the Protestant community and victims of the IRA see it and get offended which is their right.
With the rise of camera phones and the live stream I think the singing of things like the Celtic Symphony need to disappear. There's a million other songs you could sing and it's not even that good a song it shouldn't be that difficult to eradicate it.
The Sky Sports reporter, Jamie Bryson and Cara Lockhart can all f**k right off!!!!
Quote from: screenexile on October 14, 2022, 09:32:18 AM
Quote from: illdecide on October 14, 2022, 09:27:16 AM
Okay, so I know you guys have been discussing this on FAI thread but think it deserves it's own thread. So where are you all on this?
A lot of the older folk and depends what part of Ireland you're from will say "what's the problem the IRA played their part in protecting the Irish against the British Army and Loyalists" etc etc
Some of the younger folk will probably feel "no call for it and lets move on with that crap" and others don't even know what they're singing about (just a catchy tune).
The SKY fella interviewing the Ireland Captain a few days ago asked should they be educated...WTF. They should be educated, have they forgotten what they done and not to just our Country but to numerous Countries around the World. The conflict is over and it's now fought with a pen but I don't think we should be ashamed of our past and our roots, I know there were terrible things done that should never have happened and i'm not condoning that but without the IRA in the 70's God only knows where we'd be and what situation we'd be in right now. Probably still wouldn't be allowed a vote or a job.
Is singing "Ooh ah up the Ra" really a criminal thing?
Thoughts?
It's not criminal it's just in bad taste.
It's become something people sing without thinking about (I'm sure many on here have as have I a long time ago) and now because of camera phones these things reach much further than just the dressing room so the Protestant community and victims of the IRA see it and get offended which is their right.
With the rise of camera phones and the live stream I think the singing of things like the Celtic Symphony need to disappear. There's a million other songs you could sing and it's not even that good a song it shouldn't be that difficult to eradicate it.
The Sky Sports reporter, Jamie Bryson and Cara Lockhart can all f**k right off!!!!
Wash your mouth out with soap.
It was stupid to do so. Not because it antagonised the poor British fans who were so cruelly subjected to it 😳, but because it has now taken the shine of the occasion and ruined what could be a one in a lifetimes achievement for those girls. So it was stupid and needless in my eyes.
That said, when that SS's p***k asked about education, I would have loved it if she had pushed back and compared it to the singing of Rule Britianna!! That would have really but a rocket under them!!
It's provocative
Im currently on holidays, walked into a bar last night and they was a trad session on, but they threw in a few Wolfe Tone favourites and I sang along and had a great nights craic.
Where does this stop? Let the boys down the Shankhill sing the bill boys, let the anybody sign the Celtic Sympathy, Its freedom of speech and expression. You might not agree with it but whats the alternative?
Its really silly and ill judged,
Lets not forget that when the troubles were at its height we had a hard core of about 10% people voting SF. I was one. That was an indication of where the support was. Now all this sub culture has become mainstream
Most of these ones running around now havent a clue and I see young lads all the time at this crap and be thinking your da and his family ran a mile when the heat was on.
In the midst of an emotional high they made a bad error of judgement. It was a mistake for which they seem genuinely sorry, they apologised as did the manager, and the FAI and I'm sure they've learned a hard lesson. In the wake of the incident I think they handled themselves really well. Best of luck to them in the finals.
Quote from: Pub Bore on October 14, 2022, 10:21:00 AM
In the midst of an emotional high they made a bad error of judgement. It was a mistake for which they seem genuinely sorry, they apologised as did the manager, and the FAI and I'm sure they've learned a hard lesson. In the wake of the incident I think they handled themselves really well. Best of luck to them in the finals.
Yeah but badly let down by the FAI
I doubt if the relatives of
Tom Oliver
Frank Hand
Gary Sheehan
Patrick Kelly
Seamus Quaid
Gerry McCabe
among others
will be joining in the chorus.
Quote from: Rossfan on October 14, 2022, 10:28:56 AM
I doubt if the relatives of
Tom Oliver
Frank Hand
Gary Sheehan
Patrick Kelly
Seamus Quaid
Gerry McCabe
among others
will be joining in the chorus.
I'd be shocked if anyone asked them to.
Quote from: Rossfan on October 14, 2022, 10:28:56 AM
I doubt if the relatives of
Tom Oliver
Frank Hand
Gary Sheehan
Patrick Kelly
Seamus Quaid
Gerry McCabe
among others
will be joining in the chorus.
ok...
Quote from: seafoid on October 14, 2022, 09:56:51 AM
It's provocative
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At least it wasn't Championes .Championes. to fade
The GFA was 24 years ago. Most of those girls wasn't even born in 1998, so probably to them , the IRA might as well have been generations ago .
I mean , I seen a photo of Michael Collins in Varadkars office. Sure look at the event in August at Beal na blath.
Thousands look back with misty eyes on the old IRA period . If the girls singing Celtic symphony is supposedly glorifying the IRA , then surely all the events surrounding Collins/1916 etc , is the same? But I suppose that was 100 years ago , so that's ok ::)
The comment was fairly made that they were wearing black armbands to commemorate an explosion in a shop while chanting about an organisation that blew up dozens of shops.
There was no need for it, there are plenty of tuneless chants like Ole Ole, Championes etc or sing about the Sisters doing it for themselves. You can hear it on the video, one or two irresponsible individuals started this and the rest just flowed along, most of the others would not have started this. Those people are more to blame as is the person that posted this on the Internet given the row it would inevitably cause.
Even SF have moved on. The whole point of Mary Lou who wasn't in the H blocks and had nothing to do with the struggle is to bullet proof the party from the kind of media storm that hit the FAI on Wednesday morning.
Who cares, move on, good luck to the team in Oz/NZ
https://twitter.com/McHenryJames/status/1580317296803057664
What surprises me is that young Gen Z women even know the song. I was going to parties in late 80s/90s and never once heard that song. I think I first heard at a wedding early 2000s.The Wolfe Tones were considered old foggies back then who made a living butchering Irish ballads. The Dubliners, Christy Moore and Chieftains had a cool factor, as did other folk bands - but the Wolfe Tones were in a different category even though they got lots of exposure at events like Siamsa Cois Lee. As I said on other thread - Warfield is a bit cheeky claiming songwriting credit for the riff. It was ripped from black artists. Wouldn't be first old white men to do that. But it's blown out of proportion. It's a song in public domain. It was played in background in dressing room when adrenaline was high. Like a wedding you'll have everyone lepping about when the song comes on. And frankly poppy fascism is a lot worse given it celebrates an army that actually murdered footballers in Croke Park, mowed down innocent civil rights marchers in Derry, wiped out innocents in Ballymurphy, and a list that goes on and on in Ireland and other poor creatures around the world.
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on October 14, 2022, 12:22:15 PM
https://twitter.com/McHenryJames/status/1580317296803057664
100% right.
It's frustrating and angering to be honest.
Realistically if it wasn't for the exploits IRA/IRB of the 1916/1921 era there might not even be a ROI football team, so why wouldn't they celebrate them.
But t's complex.
For many, north and south the IRA are seen as heroes and not terrorists.
Likewise, many perceive the British establishment and forces as terrorists.
Both sides committed terrible acts, so why should those who see the IRA as heroes diminish their feelings and ability to express that as it will offend others with a different viewpoint?
Will the British stop wearing poppies to celebrate the activities of their fallen heroes in Ireland and elsewhere? That is offensive to some.
What about the flying of Para Regiment flags in Derry and other places where they shamelessly murdered innocent Irish catholics? Just because the British Army were part of the establishment doesn't mean they are not terrorists. Or at least terrorised one section of a community.
Open support of UVF/UDA during marching season with bands flying paramilitary flags in nationalist areas?
Either we have the ability to express our beliefs or we dont, but the precedent must apply to all and so I think it's a bit rich for Sky Sports and others to be making such a fuss about this without applying equal scrutiny to everything else.
Quote from: tbrick18 on October 14, 2022, 12:45:31 PM
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on October 14, 2022, 12:22:15 PM
https://twitter.com/McHenryJames/status/1580317296803057664
100% right.
It's frustrating and angering to be honest.
Realistically if it wasn't for the exploits IRA/IRB of the 1916/1921 era there might not even be a ROI football team, so why wouldn't they celebrate them.
But t's complex.
For many, north and south the IRA are seen as heroes and not terrorists.
Likewise, many perceive the British establishment and forces as terrorists.
Both sides committed terrible acts, so why should those who see the IRA as heroes diminish their feelings and ability to express that as it will offend others with a different viewpoint?
Will the British stop wearing poppies to celebrate the activities of their fallen heroes in Ireland and elsewhere? That is offensive to some.
What about the flying of Para Regiment flags in Derry and other places where they shamelessly murdered innocent Irish catholics? Just because the British Army were part of the establishment doesn't mean they are not terrorists. Or at least terrorised one section of a community.
Open support of UVF/UDA during marching season with bands flying paramilitary flags in nationalist areas?
Either we have the ability to express our beliefs or we dont, but the precedent must apply to all and so I think it's a bit rich for Sky Sports and others to be making such a fuss about this without applying equal scrutiny to everything else.
That's it
The thing is , those in Britain (and northern unionist s) are ignorant of the behaviour of the British army, re Bloody Sunday , ballymurphy, and abroad in Iraq, Afghanistan, Kenya etc... they have the opinion that their lads are doing such a great job , and that those other fellas are the terrorists . You see that narrative played out every Nov when the annual poppy fascism takes hold.
Many Brits can't Understand why someone wouldn't support/wear a poppy . Then again part of that comes from being brainwashed by the establishment/media , and the inability to think for themselves
Quote from: AustinPowers on October 14, 2022, 01:33:03 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on October 14, 2022, 12:45:31 PM
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on October 14, 2022, 12:22:15 PM
https://twitter.com/McHenryJames/status/1580317296803057664
100% right.
It's frustrating and angering to be honest.
Realistically if it wasn't for the exploits IRA/IRB of the 1916/1921 era there might not even be a ROI football team, so why wouldn't they celebrate them.
But t's complex.
For many, north and south the IRA are seen as heroes and not terrorists.
Likewise, many perceive the British establishment and forces as terrorists.
Both sides committed terrible acts, so why should those who see the IRA as heroes diminish their feelings and ability to express that as it will offend others with a different viewpoint?
Will the British stop wearing poppies to celebrate the activities of their fallen heroes in Ireland and elsewhere? That is offensive to some.
What about the flying of Para Regiment flags in Derry and other places where they shamelessly murdered innocent Irish catholics? Just because the British Army were part of the establishment doesn't mean they are not terrorists. Or at least terrorised one section of a community.
Open support of UVF/UDA during marching season with bands flying paramilitary flags in nationalist areas?
Either we have the ability to express our beliefs or we dont, but the precedent must apply to all and so I think it's a bit rich for Sky Sports and others to be making such a fuss about this without applying equal scrutiny to everything else.
That's it
The thing is , those in Britain (and northern unionist s) are ignorant of the behaviour of the British army, re Bloody Sunday , ballymurphy, and abroad in Iraq, Afghanistan, Kenya etc... they have the opinion that their lads are doing such a great job , and that those other fellas are the terrorists . You see that narrative played out every Nov when the annual poppy fascism takes hold.
Many Brits can't Understand why someone wouldn't support/wear a poppy . Then again part of that comes from being brainwashed by the establishment/media , and the inability to think for themselves
As crazy as it sounds but people over here are easily brainwashed also! I know, madness but there ya go
I am certainly no IRA apologist. My thoughts.
They were stupid. But that's it. The reaction from media and politicians is ridiculous. Talk about a pile on. Carla Blackheart seems to be a cheerleader for this shite.
The song if f**king ket as well!
I mind doing strictly for the local club a few years back. We were waiting to make our grand entrance and someone started an impromptu celtic symphony, have to say it was mighty, everyone joined in, made the hairs on the back of your neck stand up. See Carla writing to soccer clubs across the water demanding sackings.
The first sacking should be made should be Carla. Vile individual.
Yes trailer fully agreed. Stupid but some excuse to pile on.
It's this auld shite that the unionist / loyalist culture is demonised and the nationalist culture isn't that I think some of those die hards ones say that much they now actually believe then they try to make a huge deal of it because they're so persecuted. (They equals the die hard arsehole ones - most are fine but the amplified minority as usual).
Should "Rule britannia" be viewed as equally offensive, and have the English rugger buggers pulled over the coals the next time they sing that? Plus its a shit song
Quote from: HiMucker on October 14, 2022, 03:11:29 PM
Should "Rule britannia" be viewed as equally offensive, and have the English rugger buggers pulled over the coals the next time they sing that? Plus its a shit song
100% agree. The English invaded half the world and carried some atrocities in their time so when they sign Rule Britannia are they doing the same thing?
The reaction to this from a lot of guys south of the Country is what i expected...
Quote from: trailer on October 14, 2022, 02:50:46 PM
I am certainly no IRA apologist. My thoughts.
They were stupid. But that's it. The reaction from media and politicians is ridiculous. Talk about a pile on. Carla Blackheart seems to be a cheerleader for this shite.
The song if f**king ket as well!
All of this plus the patronizing presenter from Sky, asking one of the girls, if the team needed education on the matter. I would have ripped the cont a new arse.
In the context of Cresslough, stuff like this doesn't matter. Bunch of happy ladies / men could have been singing anything, twas in a dressing room, no bodies business. The media should have been told to f off.
It's far from over though. The scottish police are apparently involved too.
I don't understand why that Irish player being interviewed didn't just say , there's a statement been put out already and I'm saying no more on the matter. Now, do you have a question about the football? No? Well, I'm off then
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 14, 2022, 04:08:58 PM
It's far from over though. The scottish police are apparently involved too.
I can see them investigating all the graffiti on the wall with a few suits from UEFA scratching their chins saying so zee sailor was pozzessed by zee devil and he zeez ze graffiti on zee wall and he zings ooh ah up ze ra?
I remember once going on a work outing, and we were singing on the bus with a mixed crowd of NI civil servants. Myself and a few others starting singing "we're on the one road, sharing the one load....." and then realised oops, we can't finish this one, so had to quickly switch tunes.
If people had had mobile phones back then we might have gotten into trouble. So part of the problem is now that people inadvertantly or mischieviously share videos online to an audience who are waiting to be offended.
Remember when we were kids
Eena, Meena, Mina Mo........, catch a N——-R by the toe
I'm guessing anyone over 50 years said this a thousand times
Did anyone have a Golliwog? My brother had one that a cousin brought home from England
Times change......things that were commonplace and perfectly normal decades are no longer acceptable
I think shouting and singing "Up the Ra" in todays environment is completely unacceptable.
Everyone on here was outraged (and rightly so) when those bandsmen were recorded singing about a poor girl who got murdered on her honeymoon.
Now that the shoe is on the other foot, it's only a bit o craic
Haven't even come across the footage yet believe it or not.
Love Celtic Symphony, great tune, have saw the Wolfe Tones a few times. One weekend in Bundoran after the LOLS were forced down the Garvaghy road, that was a lively night in the Astoria!!
Have SEEN!! >:(
People expect the Wolfe Tones to sing ooh ah up the ra.
They don't expect the ladies soccer team.
Quote from: seafoid on October 14, 2022, 06:48:31 PM
People expect the Wolfe Tones to sing ooh ah up the ra.
They don't expect the ladies soccer team.
Daft comment, the ladies performed on the field. Afterwards celebrated in dressing room. Why somebody got their phone out to video the ladies & share online, knowing full well the consequences is the main issue. As someone else was saying people go out of their way to be offended.
Quote from: Rudi on October 14, 2022, 07:02:56 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 14, 2022, 06:48:31 PM
People expect the Wolfe Tones to sing ooh ah up the ra.
They don't expect the ladies soccer team.
Daft comment, the ladies performed on the field. Afterwards celebrated in dressing room. Why somebody got their phone out to video the ladies & share online, knowing full well the consequences is the main issue. As someone else was saying people go out of their way to be offended.
One of the players apparently. If in that dressing room she was more concerned with sending videos to her mates than in celebrating with her team then it is an indication of where her priorities lay.
As I said the 10% rebel tune brigade have fairly grown in peace times.
Stop pretending. Yous weren't there mostly. Move on
If someone doesn't like a song, then don't listen to it. But don't try to stop other people from listening to it or singing it if they so wish. Each to their own. As for the FAI apology, I considered it unnecessary. As for the Sky Sports pundit, he can &*^* away off and get himself educated on colonialism and its impact across the globe. Shame on the FAI for putting the young lady through an interview like that.
It is great to see Irish songs permeating through the Irish Top 100 since Wednesday, as well as sitting at No. 2 in UK iTunes ... RTE should take note.
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 14, 2022, 04:08:58 PM
It's far from over though. The scottish police are apparently involved too.
Many of the 60,000 in attendance in Celtic Park sang the same song on Tuesday night as well. Celtic have included the track of it in their pre-match light show for the stadium to sing along to (check it out on YouTube) ... nothing to see here by either Police Scotland or UEFA, we've been here before.
Quote from: whitey on October 14, 2022, 05:38:40 PM
Remember when we were kids
Eena, Meena, Mina Mo........, catch a N——-R by the toe
I'm guessing anyone over 50 years said this a thousand times
Did anyone have a Golliwog? My brother had one that a cousin brought home from England
Times change......things that were commonplace and perfectly normal decades are no longer acceptable
I think shouting and singing "Up the Ra" in todays environment is completely unacceptable.
Everyone on here was outraged (and rightly so) when those bandsmen were recorded singing about a poor girl who got murdered on her honeymoon.
Now that the shoe is on the other foot, it's only a bit o craic
Golliwog, Christ i'd almost forgotten about those. They were on Robertson's jam (i think?)
I think your right about times changing. Although i think a lot of it is faux outrage. On another note why was anyone videoing anything in a changing room, thats liable to cause trouble at the best od times.
I don't understand why a bunch of girls, when celebrating the biggest win if their lives, chose to sing that song. You could understand it if it was a bunch of teenage boys from the North, but a group of Southern women is a strange one. Pure cringe. Any team I've played in usually just went for 'Championees'.
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 14, 2022, 10:47:32 PM
I don't understand why a bunch of girls, when celebrating the biggest win if their lives, chose to sing that song. You could understand it if it was a bunch of teenage boys from the North, but a group of Southern women is a strange one. Pure cringe. Any team I've played in usually just went for 'Championees'.
Yep. It's odd
Quote from: grounded on October 14, 2022, 07:48:29 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 14, 2022, 05:38:40 PM
Remember when we were kids
Eena, Meena, Mina Mo........, catch a N——-R by the toe
I'm guessing anyone over 50 years said this a thousand times
Did anyone have a Golliwog? My brother had one that a cousin brought home from England
Times change......things that were commonplace and perfectly normal decades are no longer acceptable
I think shouting and singing "Up the Ra" in todays environment is completely unacceptable.
Everyone on here was outraged (and rightly so) when those bandsmen were recorded singing about a poor girl who got murdered on her honeymoon.
Now that the shoe is on the other foot, it's only a bit o craic
Golliwog, Christ i'd almost forgotten about those. They were on Robertson's jam (i think?)
I think your right about times changing. Although i think a lot of it is faux outrage. On another note why was anyone videoing anything in a changing room, thats liable to cause trouble at the best od times.
You used to be able to collect golliwogs from the label and get something.
Quote from: balladmaker on October 14, 2022, 07:31:17 PM
If someone doesn't like a song, then don't listen to it. But don't try to stop other people from listening to it or singing it if they so wish. Each to their own. As for the FAI apology, I considered it unnecessary. As for the Sky Sports pundit, he can &*^* away off and get himself educated on colonialism and its impact across the globe. Shame on the FAI for putting the young lady through an interview like that.
It is great to see Irish songs permeating through the Irish Top 100 since Wednesday, as well as sitting at No. 2 in UK iTunes ... RTE should take note.
Let the people sing their stories and their songs ;)
Quote from: HiMucker on October 15, 2022, 12:15:14 AM
Quote from: balladmaker on October 14, 2022, 07:31:17 PM
If someone doesn't like a song, then don't listen to it. But don't try to stop other people from listening to it or singing it if they so wish. Each to their own. As for the FAI apology, I considered it unnecessary. As for the Sky Sports pundit, he can &*^* away off and get himself educated on colonialism and its impact across the globe. Shame on the FAI for putting the young lady through an interview like that.
It is great to see Irish songs permeating through the Irish Top 100 since Wednesday, as well as sitting at No. 2 in UK iTunes ... RTE should take note.
Let the people sing their stories and their songs ;)
Defs not many ra men in Steelstown. Absolute fact.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 15, 2022, 12:21:04 AM
Quote from: HiMucker on October 15, 2022, 12:15:14 AM
Quote from: balladmaker on October 14, 2022, 07:31:17 PM
If someone doesn't like a song, then don't listen to it. But don't try to stop other people from listening to it or singing it if they so wish. Each to their own. As for the FAI apology, I considered it unnecessary. As for the Sky Sports pundit, he can &*^* away off and get himself educated on colonialism and its impact across the globe. Shame on the FAI for putting the young lady through an interview like that.
It is great to see Irish songs permeating through the Irish Top 100 since Wednesday, as well as sitting at No. 2 in UK iTunes ... RTE should take note.
Let the people sing their stories and their songs ;)
Defs not many ra men in Steelstown. Absolute fact.
Lol. And what, is that something to be ashamed of or what?
Quote from: HiMucker on October 15, 2022, 01:19:37 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 15, 2022, 12:21:04 AM
Quote from: HiMucker on October 15, 2022, 12:15:14 AM
Quote from: balladmaker on October 14, 2022, 07:31:17 PM
If someone doesn't like a song, then don't listen to it. But don't try to stop other people from listening to it or singing it if they so wish. Each to their own. As for the FAI apology, I considered it unnecessary. As for the Sky Sports pundit, he can &*^* away off and get himself educated on colonialism and its impact across the globe. Shame on the FAI for putting the young lady through an interview like that.
It is great to see Irish songs permeating through the Irish Top 100 since Wednesday, as well as sitting at No. 2 in UK iTunes ... RTE should take note.
Let the people sing their stories and their songs ;)
Defs not many ra men in Steelstown. Absolute fact.
Lol. And what, is that something to be ashamed of or what?
Not at all .
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 15, 2022, 07:21:05 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 15, 2022, 12:21:04 AM
Quote from: HiMucker on October 15, 2022, 12:15:14 AM
Quote from: balladmaker on October 14, 2022, 07:31:17 PM
If someone doesn't like a song, then don't listen to it. But don't try to stop other people from listening to it or singing it if they so wish. Each to their own. As for the FAI apology, I considered it unnecessary. As for the Sky Sports pundit, he can &*^* away off and get himself educated on colonialism and its impact across the globe. Shame on the FAI for putting the young lady through an interview like that.
It is great to see Irish songs permeating through the Irish Top 100 since Wednesday, as well as sitting at No. 2 in UK iTunes ... RTE should take note.
Let the people sing their stories and their songs ;)
Defs not many ra men in Steelstown. Absolute fact.
Fear, you are coming across like the only Ra man in the village, and it isn't a good look.
It is a song. Whether you like it or not, it is popular, especially among young people.
The lyrics say that on some wall there is graffiti which says Ooh Aah up the ra. They also include "I am a sailor man from Glasgow town".
I don't think people singing the song are really suggesting that 1. They are in the ra or 2. That they are big into boats.
So it's fine, we get it, you liked the Ra first.
It's a song. Calm your jets.
Was i not a stoop last month? Lol i did get a chuckle at " you liked the ra first" bit to be fair.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 15, 2022, 08:05:03 AM
I wouldn't say you are a stoop. I'd have you more like Dixie Elliot. Angry & bitter but probably with good reason.
Though, when you start cracking up at some kids singing Celtic Symphony because "they weren't there" - you've lost the run of yourself.
I think cracking up stretching it tbh.
I just think it's silly, of course it was innocent on their part and of course it should be put to bed, but we should all be careful of our actions as it did offend.
It looks fake and a lot would have done everything to disassociate themselves back in the day so why risk it now? Employers scan social media accounts these days , be better to pay attention to that.
I wish them all best . Silly and young
Wolfe Tones laughing all the way to the bank on this one 😃
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 15, 2022, 07:54:36 AM
Quote from: HiMucker on October 15, 2022, 01:19:37 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 15, 2022, 12:21:04 AM
Quote from: HiMucker on October 15, 2022, 12:15:14 AM
Quote from: balladmaker on October 14, 2022, 07:31:17 PM
If someone doesn't like a song, then don't listen to it. But don't try to stop other people from listening to it or singing it if they so wish. Each to their own. As for the FAI apology, I considered it unnecessary. As for the Sky Sports pundit, he can &*^* away off and get himself educated on colonialism and its impact across the globe. Shame on the FAI for putting the young lady through an interview like that.
It is great to see Irish songs permeating through the Irish Top 100 since Wednesday, as well as sitting at No. 2 in UK iTunes ... RTE should take note.
Let the people sing their stories and their songs ;)
Defs not many ra men in Steelstown. Absolute fact.
Lol. And what, is that something to be ashamed of or what?
Not at all .
I'm not sure what the point of your bizarre comment was lol. What's that got to do with the price of butter.
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Quote from: balladmaker on October 14, 2022, 07:31:17 PM
If someone doesn't like a song, then don't listen to it. But don't try to stop other people from listening to it or singing it if they so wish. Each to their own. As for the FAI apology, I considered it unnecessary. As for the Sky Sports pundit, he can &*^* away off and get himself educated on colonialism and its impact across the globe. Shame on the FAI for putting the young lady through an interview like that.
It is great to see Irish songs permeating through the Irish Top 100 since Wednesday, as well as sitting at No. 2 in UK iTunes ... RTE should take note.
Let the people sing their stories and their songs ;)
Defs not many ra men in Steelstown. Absolute fact.
Lol. And what, is that something to be ashamed of or what?
Not at all .
I'm not sure what the point of your bizarre comment was lol. What's that got to do with the price of butter.
If you are explaining your losing
Jaysus
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 14, 2022, 06:10:11 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 14, 2022, 05:38:40 PM
Remember when we were kids
Eena, Meena, Mina Mo........, catch a N——-R by the toe
I'm guessing anyone over 50 years said this a thousand times
Did anyone have a Golliwog? My brother had one that a cousin brought home from England
Times change......things that were commonplace and perfectly normal decades are no longer acceptable
I think shouting and singing "Up the Ra" in todays environment is completely unacceptable.
Everyone on here was outraged (and rightly so) when those bandsmen were recorded singing about a poor girl who got murdered on her honeymoon.
Now that the shoe is on the other foot, it's only a bit o craic
They weren't. They pretended to be.
It's the same with the current pile on and will be the same with the next one.
Nobody actually cares about any of this. It is entirely false.
I f**king was. And I was one of the thousands of Armagh and Tyrone gaels who clapped in solidarity with the Harte family the weekend after video came out. The 2 incidents are nothing alike. I know that. You know that. Carla Blackheart knows that.
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Quote from: seafoid on October 14, 2022, 06:48:31 PM
People expect the Wolfe Tones to sing ooh ah up the ra.
They don't expect the ladies soccer team.
Daft comment, the ladies performed on the field. Afterwards celebrated in dressing room. Why somebody got their phone out to video the ladies & share online, knowing full well the consequences is the main issue. As someone else was saying people go out of their way to be offended.
One of the players apparently. If in that dressing room she was more concerned with sending videos to her mates than in celebrating with her team then it is an indication of where her priorities lay.
It's a generational thing. Videoing the celebrations and posting them on snapchat etc is completely alien to people of a certain age, while for younger people its just the norm.
United Ireland is now OFF.
A dozen or so people singing Celtic Symphony in Dublin Airport caught on video now means that reunification can't happen (according to Twitter anyway).
Meanwhile in Banbridge, Loyalist bands serenaded their supporters while chants of UVF rang out through the October air. I wonder which incident will get the media airtime.
Drunken Idiots
Quote from: general_lee on October 16, 2022, 08:14:03 AM
United Ireland is now OFF.
A dozen or so people singing Celtic Symphony in Dublin Airport caught on video now means that reunification can't happen (according to Twitter anyway).
Meanwhile in Banbridge, Loyalist bands serenaded their supporters while chants of UVF rang out through the October air. I wonder which incident will get the media airtime.
Hundreds of orange and black parades all over the six counties between April and September, and bonfires in July. Most decent protestants keep well away from such hate fests, whilst others think it's great culture.
Hundreds of national games in Ireland all summer and one incident lasting 5 or 10 seconds resulting in certain unionists throwing their hands up in despair and cry "See - this is what they're all like"
Quote from: whitey on October 14, 2022, 05:38:40 PM
I think shouting and singing "Up the Ra" in todays environment is completely unacceptable.
Everyone on here was outraged (and rightly so) when those bandsmen were recorded singing about a poor girl who got murdered on her honeymoon.
Now that the shoe is on the other foot, it's only a bit o craic
A totally f**king stupid parallel to attempt to draw. Beyond words.
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 14, 2022, 10:47:32 PM
I don't understand why a bunch of girls, when celebrating the biggest win if their lives, chose to sing that song. You could understand it if it was a bunch of teenage boys from the North, but a group of Southern women is a strange one. Pure cringe. Any team I've played in usually just went for 'Championees'.
Choose? They also played Taylor Swift ffs. Don't you think it was a random playlist? They hardly sat mentally deliberating over what songs to play in their state if euphoria
We could have won the war back in the 70s with the level of support the Ra gets these days lol
There's something happening at the minute and it's interesting to watch. Not sure if it's a reaction to being told by a Sky reporter how the Irish should behave or an acceptance of our own history but there's something happening here.
Yep. Great to see. Check out new T-shirt supporting the girls available online from urban celt. Utter DUP, loyalist, west brit hypocrisy has sickened many.
Not a peep from any unionist politician bar Doug Beattie about the chanting in Banbridge. One rule for one and all that
Quote from: ONeill on October 16, 2022, 11:18:11 PM
There's something happening at the minute and it's interesting to watch. Not sure if it's a reaction to being told by a Sky reporter how the Irish should behave or an acceptance of our own history but there's something happening here.
We saw something similar a couple of years ago when Varadakar and Flanagan wanted to commemorate the black and tans.
I have to say that did make me laugh a little.
https://mobile.twitter.com/ClogherHead1/status/1581912757661990913/photo/1
nolan talking about it now
Quote from: Eire90 on October 17, 2022, 09:11:30 AM
nolan talking about it now
You know you're doing something right when you're annoying that gobshite
Quote from: ONeill on October 16, 2022, 11:18:11 PM
There's something happening at the minute and it's interesting to watch. Not sure if it's a reaction to being told by a Sky reporter how the Irish should behave or an acceptance of our own history but there's something happening here.
I think so too and it's the Southern media's response to this.
A bunch of Armagh or Tyrone camogs or ladies footballers and they'd be fair game for this overreaction for your one from Portadown trying to get some of the girls sacked, but they're Dubs, they're from Cork, Donegal and wherever..
So far it's been slightly more nuanced, Mullaly in the Irish Times touches on it (although she's quick to distinguish the new IRA from the Old IRA ;) ) as it's the young, modern Irish are proud of their Irish heritage and manifests itself in Republicanism whereas the older generations were still forelock tuggers to the English betters.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2022/10/13/una-mullally-what-does-it-mean-to-say-up-the-ra-and-why-does-it-keep-happening/ (https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2022/10/13/una-mullally-what-does-it-mean-to-say-up-the-ra-and-why-does-it-keep-happening/)
Or maybe it's a bit of what Mulally points to but also the youth of Ireland being much better informed as to what actually happened up here during the troubles now that RTE has lost it's absolute control of the messaging relating to here.
They're now hearing that the British Army did run amok in Derry and Ballymurphy killing people who are just like them, they now know that the British Army were directly involved in the Dublin and Monaghan bombings, they now know that the British Army and the RUC worked cheek to jowl with Loyalist paramilitaries killed people like Sean Brown and Aidan McAnespie just for their love of GAA, just like them.
The truth may have set the youth of Ireland free, may it set Ireland free.
Noticed the Newsletter headline this morning while getting my paper. Had a little laugh to myself thinking do they not realise people are taking the piss now - didn't read the story hut assume it was the singing of Celtic Symphony at the FAI semi yesterday and at Dublin Airport.
Quote from: johnnycool on October 17, 2022, 09:25:06 AM
Quote from: ONeill on October 16, 2022, 11:18:11 PM
There's something happening at the minute and it's interesting to watch. Not sure if it's a reaction to being told by a Sky reporter how the Irish should behave or an acceptance of our own history but there's something happening here.
I think so too and it's the Southern media's response to this.
A bunch of Armagh or Tyrone camogs or ladies footballers and they'd be fair game for this overreaction for your one from Portadown trying to get some of the girls sacked, but they're Dubs, they're from Cork, Donegal and wherever..
So far it's been slightly more nuanced, Mullaly in the Irish Times touches on it (although she's quick to distinguish the new IRA from the Old IRA ;) ) as it's the young, modern Irish are proud of their Irish heritage and manifests itself in Republicanism whereas the older generations were still forelock tuggers to the English betters.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2022/10/13/una-mullally-what-does-it-mean-to-say-up-the-ra-and-why-does-it-keep-happening/ (https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2022/10/13/una-mullally-what-does-it-mean-to-say-up-the-ra-and-why-does-it-keep-happening/)
Or maybe it's a bit of what Mulally points to but also the youth of Ireland being much better informed as to what actually happened up here during the troubles now that RTE has lost it's absolute control of the messaging relating to here.
They're now hearing that the British Army did run amok in Derry and Ballymurphy killing people who are just like them, they now know that the British Army were directly involved in the Dublin and Monaghan bombings, they now know that the British Army and the RUC worked cheek to jowl with Loyalist paramilitaries killed people like Sean Brown and Aidan McAnespie just for their love of GAA, just like them.
The truth may have set the youth of Ireland free, may it set Ireland free.
They must not have got the memo about Enniskillen, Shankill, Warrington, Bloody Friday etc
Quote from: michaelg on October 17, 2022, 09:45:46 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 17, 2022, 09:25:06 AM
Quote from: ONeill on October 16, 2022, 11:18:11 PM
There's something happening at the minute and it's interesting to watch. Not sure if it's a reaction to being told by a Sky reporter how the Irish should behave or an acceptance of our own history but there's something happening here.
I think so too and it's the Southern media's response to this.
A bunch of Armagh or Tyrone camogs or ladies footballers and they'd be fair game for this overreaction for your one from Portadown trying to get some of the girls sacked, but they're Dubs, they're from Cork, Donegal and wherever..
So far it's been slightly more nuanced, Mullaly in the Irish Times touches on it (although she's quick to distinguish the new IRA from the Old IRA ;) ) as it's the young, modern Irish are proud of their Irish heritage and manifests itself in Republicanism whereas the older generations were still forelock tuggers to the English betters.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2022/10/13/una-mullally-what-does-it-mean-to-say-up-the-ra-and-why-does-it-keep-happening/ (https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2022/10/13/una-mullally-what-does-it-mean-to-say-up-the-ra-and-why-does-it-keep-happening/)
Or maybe it's a bit of what Mulally points to but also the youth of Ireland being much better informed as to what actually happened up here during the troubles now that RTE has lost it's absolute control of the messaging relating to here.
They're now hearing that the British Army did run amok in Derry and Ballymurphy killing people who are just like them, they now know that the British Army were directly involved in the Dublin and Monaghan bombings, they now know that the British Army and the RUC worked cheek to jowl with Loyalist paramilitaries killed people like Sean Brown and Aidan McAnespie just for their love of GAA, just like them.
The truth may have set the youth of Ireland free, may it set Ireland free.
They must not have got the memo about Enniskillen, Shankill, Warrington, Bloody Friday etc
Oh, they got those alright on RTE and rightly so, but some of the ones I mentioned were airbrushed as much on RTE as they were on the BBC.
St Finbarrs of cork are now canceled, caught singing Celtic Symphony on Buff Egans snapchat
This is a great insight into the awful banal evil of Unionist domination
https://www.rte.ie/archives/2019/0911/1075218-john-
humes-derry/
Some of the shite you read on this is some craic. Now apparently thousands of people from the 26 support(ed) the IRA because there were a few videos. A united Ireland is off. Locakhart and Pengelly are deeply upset.
You couldn't make it up.
Quote from: michaelg on October 17, 2022, 09:45:46 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 17, 2022, 09:25:06 AM
Quote from: ONeill on October 16, 2022, 11:18:11 PM
There's something happening at the minute and it's interesting to watch. Not sure if it's a reaction to being told by a Sky reporter how the Irish should behave or an acceptance of our own history but there's something happening here.
I think so too and it's the Southern media's response to this.
A bunch of Armagh or Tyrone camogs or ladies footballers and they'd be fair game for this overreaction for your one from Portadown trying to get some of the girls sacked, but they're Dubs, they're from Cork, Donegal and wherever..
So far it's been slightly more nuanced, Mullaly in the Irish Times touches on it (although she's quick to distinguish the new IRA from the Old IRA ;) ) as it's the young, modern Irish are proud of their Irish heritage and manifests itself in Republicanism whereas the older generations were still forelock tuggers to the English betters.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2022/10/13/una-mullally-what-does-it-mean-to-say-up-the-ra-and-why-does-it-keep-happening/ (https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2022/10/13/una-mullally-what-does-it-mean-to-say-up-the-ra-and-why-does-it-keep-happening/)
Or maybe it's a bit of what Mulally points to but also the youth of Ireland being much better informed as to what actually happened up here during the troubles now that RTE has lost it's absolute control of the messaging relating to here.
They're now hearing that the British Army did run amok in Derry and Ballymurphy killing people who are just like them, they now know that the British Army were directly involved in the Dublin and Monaghan bombings, they now know that the British Army and the RUC worked cheek to jowl with Loyalist paramilitaries killed people like Sean Brown and Aidan McAnespie just for their love of GAA, just like them.
The truth may have set the youth of Ireland free, may it set Ireland free.
They must not have got the memo about Enniskillen, Shankill, Warrington, Bloody Friday etc
Never heard of Section 31? Those are the sorts of things the people of the south were fed an uninterrupted diet of.
Is what's happening an example of The Streisand Effect??
Quote from: michaelg on October 17, 2022, 09:45:46 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 17, 2022, 09:25:06 AM
Quote from: ONeill on October 16, 2022, 11:18:11 PM
There's something happening at the minute and it's interesting to watch. Not sure if it's a reaction to being told by a Sky reporter how the Irish should behave or an acceptance of our own history but there's something happening here.
I think so too and it's the Southern media's response to this.
A bunch of Armagh or Tyrone camogs or ladies footballers and they'd be fair game for this overreaction for your one from Portadown trying to get some of the girls sacked, but they're Dubs, they're from Cork, Donegal and wherever..
So far it's been slightly more nuanced, Mullaly in the Irish Times touches on it (although she's quick to distinguish the new IRA from the Old IRA ;) ) as it's the young, modern Irish are proud of their Irish heritage and manifests itself in Republicanism whereas the older generations were still forelock tuggers to the English betters.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2022/10/13/una-mullally-what-does-it-mean-to-say-up-the-ra-and-why-does-it-keep-happening/ (https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2022/10/13/una-mullally-what-does-it-mean-to-say-up-the-ra-and-why-does-it-keep-happening/)
Or maybe it's a bit of what Mulally points to but also the youth of Ireland being much better informed as to what actually happened up here during the troubles now that RTE has lost it's absolute control of the messaging relating to here.
They're now hearing that the British Army did run amok in Derry and Ballymurphy killing people who are just like them, they now know that the British Army were directly involved in the Dublin and Monaghan bombings, they now know that the British Army and the RUC worked cheek to jowl with Loyalist paramilitaries killed people like Sean Brown and Aidan McAnespie just for their love of GAA, just like them.
The truth may have set the youth of Ireland free, may it set Ireland free.
They must not have got the memo about Enniskillen, Shankill, Warrington, Bloody Friday etc
You really didn't watch RTE much back in the day, did you?
Quote from: bennydorano on October 17, 2022, 09:39:53 AM
Noticed the Newsletter headline this morning while getting my paper. Had a little laugh to myself thinking do they not realise people are taking the piss now - didn't read the story hut assume it was the singing of Celtic Symphony at the FAI semi yesterday and at Dublin Airport.
The front page of The Newsletter the morning after the Creeslough tragedy:
https://twitter.com/JohnCharlesLave/status/1580838668105048065/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/JohnCharlesLave/status/1580838668105048065/photo/1)
Quote from: seafoid on October 17, 2022, 10:06:16 AM
This is a great insight into the awful banal evil of Unionist domination
https://www.rte.ie/archives/2019/0911/1075218-john-
humes-derry/
The sad thing is. A lot hasnt changed in terms of how Derry has been treated. Few relatives of mines in there. Jesus they were great people back in the day
Quote from: Pub Bore on October 17, 2022, 10:35:02 AM
Is what's happening an example of The Streisand Effect??
Barbara?
Quote from: Snapchap on October 17, 2022, 10:38:09 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on October 17, 2022, 09:39:53 AM
Noticed the Newsletter headline this morning while getting my paper. Had a little laugh to myself thinking do they not realise people are taking the piss now - didn't read the story hut assume it was the singing of Celtic Symphony at the FAI semi yesterday and at Dublin Airport.
The front page of The Newsletter the morning after the Creeslough tragedy:
https://twitter.com/JohnCharlesLave/status/1580838668105048065/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/JohnCharlesLave/status/1580838668105048065/photo/1)
That's interesting. AFAIK, Laverty is a soccer loving Ballymena Catholic who wouldn't cross the road to watch a Gaelic match. I think his elevation in the Belfast Telegraph means he has to raise his head above the parapet, which won't please the low-brow knuckle-draggers.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 17, 2022, 10:41:41 AM
Quote from: Pub Bore on October 17, 2022, 10:35:02 AM
Is what's happening an example of The Streisand Effect??
Barbara?
Yes. I don't think this is exactly the Streisand Effect but it's where the more attention you draw to something it makes people who weren't aware of it, aware of it.
I thought it was where you got the urge to sing and act in bad films
Quote from: michaelg on October 17, 2022, 09:45:46 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 17, 2022, 09:25:06 AM
Quote from: ONeill on October 16, 2022, 11:18:11 PM
There's something happening at the minute and it's interesting to watch. Not sure if it's a reaction to being told by a Sky reporter how the Irish should behave or an acceptance of our own history but there's something happening here.
I think so too and it's the Southern media's response to this.
A bunch of Armagh or Tyrone camogs or ladies footballers and they'd be fair game for this overreaction for your one from Portadown trying to get some of the girls sacked, but they're Dubs, they're from Cork, Donegal and wherever..
So far it's been slightly more nuanced, Mullaly in the Irish Times touches on it (although she's quick to distinguish the new IRA from the Old IRA ;) ) as it's the young, modern Irish are proud of their Irish heritage and manifests itself in Republicanism whereas the older generations were still forelock tuggers to the English betters.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2022/10/13/una-mullally-what-does-it-mean-to-say-up-the-ra-and-why-does-it-keep-happening/ (https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2022/10/13/una-mullally-what-does-it-mean-to-say-up-the-ra-and-why-does-it-keep-happening/)
Or maybe it's a bit of what Mulally points to but also the youth of Ireland being much better informed as to what actually happened up here during the troubles now that RTE has lost it's absolute control of the messaging relating to here.
They're now hearing that the British Army did run amok in Derry and Ballymurphy killing people who are just like them, they now know that the British Army were directly involved in the Dublin and Monaghan bombings, they now know that the British Army and the RUC worked cheek to jowl with Loyalist paramilitaries killed people like Sean Brown and Aidan McAnespie just for their love of GAA, just like them.
The truth may have set the youth of Ireland free, may it set Ireland free.
They must not have got the memo about Enniskillen, Shankill, Warrington, Bloody Friday etc
Well that's exactly the point, everyone can rhyme off these list of incidents as they are constantly in the media limelight, in the way Bloody Sunday is also. Though to be fair I don't think there was an establishment conspiracy to label the victims in any of the former incidents as culpable in their own demise in the way the Bloody Sunday victims were, and quite frankly still are across a large swathe of unionist opinion in the north.
I listened to part of Nolan there, a man from Newtownards was on who said he had been caught up in an IRA bombing in 1992. He was strongly against people glorifying the IRA by singing the Celtic Symphony and was looking people banned from the airport and the Ireland team to be banned from the world cup. There was absolutely no mention of banning anyone from the centre of Banbridge.
He then said that he was lucky he wasn't 'killed innocently' and that he was lucky he wasn't one of the "1800 people that were killed innocently". To me this just sums up the entire mindset of a substantial proportion of the unionist population. That the 1800 people who were killed by the IRA were innocent victims. The remaining people who were killed by the Police Army and UVF etc were not among the innocent victims.
Nolan, neglected to challenge this nonsense from the contributor.
There weren't any UVF victims on, or Catholics asked if they were offended by the FTP songs.
I think it's class. Great catchy wee tune.
Quote from: Snapchap on October 17, 2022, 10:38:09 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on October 17, 2022, 09:39:53 AM
Noticed the Newsletter headline this morning while getting my paper. Had a little laugh to myself thinking do they not realise people are taking the piss now - didn't read the story hut assume it was the singing of Celtic Symphony at the FAI semi yesterday and at Dublin Airport.
The front page of The Newsletter the morning after the Creeslough tragedy:
https://twitter.com/JohnCharlesLave/status/1580838668105048065/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/JohnCharlesLave/status/1580838668105048065/photo/1)
The News Letter is little more than a hardline propaganda publication at this stage.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 17, 2022, 10:54:44 AM
I thought it was where you got the urge to sing and act in bad films
Possibly that too!
Quote from: Keyser soze on October 17, 2022, 11:09:36 AM
Quote from: michaelg on October 17, 2022, 09:45:46 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 17, 2022, 09:25:06 AM
Quote from: ONeill on October 16, 2022, 11:18:11 PM
There's something happening at the minute and it's interesting to watch. Not sure if it's a reaction to being told by a Sky reporter how the Irish should behave or an acceptance of our own history but there's something happening here.
I think so too and it's the Southern media's response to this.
A bunch of Armagh or Tyrone camogs or ladies footballers and they'd be fair game for this overreaction for your one from Portadown trying to get some of the girls sacked, but they're Dubs, they're from Cork, Donegal and wherever..
So far it's been slightly more nuanced, Mullaly in the Irish Times touches on it (although she's quick to distinguish the new IRA from the Old IRA ;) ) as it's the young, modern Irish are proud of their Irish heritage and manifests itself in Republicanism whereas the older generations were still forelock tuggers to the English betters.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2022/10/13/una-mullally-what-does-it-mean-to-say-up-the-ra-and-why-does-it-keep-happening/ (https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2022/10/13/una-mullally-what-does-it-mean-to-say-up-the-ra-and-why-does-it-keep-happening/)
Or maybe it's a bit of what Mulally points to but also the youth of Ireland being much better informed as to what actually happened up here during the troubles now that RTE has lost it's absolute control of the messaging relating to here.
They're now hearing that the British Army did run amok in Derry and Ballymurphy killing people who are just like them, they now know that the British Army were directly involved in the Dublin and Monaghan bombings, they now know that the British Army and the RUC worked cheek to jowl with Loyalist paramilitaries killed people like Sean Brown and Aidan McAnespie just for their love of GAA, just like them.
The truth may have set the youth of Ireland free, may it set Ireland free.
They must not have got the memo about Enniskillen, Shankill, Warrington, Bloody Friday etc
Well that's exactly the point, everyone can rhyme off these list of incidents as they are constantly in the media limelight, in the way Bloody Sunday is also. Though to be fair I don't think there was an establishment conspiracy to label the victims in any of the former incidents as culpable in their own demise in the way the Bloody Sunday victims were, and quite frankly still are across a large swathe of unionist opinion in the north.
I listened to part of Nolan there, a man from Newtownards was on who said he had been caught up in an IRA bombing in 1992. He was strongly against people glorifying the IRA by singing the Celtic Symphony and was looking people banned from the airport and the Ireland team to be banned from the world cup. There was absolutely no mention of banning anyone from the centre of Banbridge.
He then said that he was lucky he wasn't 'killed innocently' and that he was lucky he wasn't one of the "1800 people that were killed innocently". To me this just sums up the entire mindset of a substantial proportion of the unionist population. That the 1800 people who were killed by the IRA were innocent victims. The remaining people who were killed by the Police Army and UVF etc were not among the innocent victims.
Nolan, neglected to challenge this nonsense from the contributor.
There weren't any UVF victims on, or Catholics asked if they were offended by the FTP songs.
And what you have done there is give a list of reasons why you (and everyone else) would be better off not facilitating him by boosting his listener figures. It's no wonder he keeps getting away with his sectarian baiting when so many who see it for what it is, still tune in for him.
Quote from: Keyser soze on October 17, 2022, 11:09:36 AM
Quote from: michaelg on October 17, 2022, 09:45:46 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 17, 2022, 09:25:06 AM
Quote from: ONeill on October 16, 2022, 11:18:11 PM
There's something happening at the minute and it's interesting to watch. Not sure if it's a reaction to being told by a Sky reporter how the Irish should behave or an acceptance of our own history but there's something happening here.
I think so too and it's the Southern media's response to this.
A bunch of Armagh or Tyrone camogs or ladies footballers and they'd be fair game for this overreaction for your one from Portadown trying to get some of the girls sacked, but they're Dubs, they're from Cork, Donegal and wherever..
So far it's been slightly more nuanced, Mullaly in the Irish Times touches on it (although she's quick to distinguish the new IRA from the Old IRA ;) ) as it's the young, modern Irish are proud of their Irish heritage and manifests itself in Republicanism whereas the older generations were still forelock tuggers to the English betters.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2022/10/13/una-mullally-what-does-it-mean-to-say-up-the-ra-and-why-does-it-keep-happening/ (https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2022/10/13/una-mullally-what-does-it-mean-to-say-up-the-ra-and-why-does-it-keep-happening/)
Or maybe it's a bit of what Mulally points to but also the youth of Ireland being much better informed as to what actually happened up here during the troubles now that RTE has lost it's absolute control of the messaging relating to here.
They're now hearing that the British Army did run amok in Derry and Ballymurphy killing people who are just like them, they now know that the British Army were directly involved in the Dublin and Monaghan bombings, they now know that the British Army and the RUC worked cheek to jowl with Loyalist paramilitaries killed people like Sean Brown and Aidan McAnespie just for their love of GAA, just like them.
The truth may have set the youth of Ireland free, may it set Ireland free.
They must not have got the memo about Enniskillen, Shankill, Warrington, Bloody Friday etc
Well that's exactly the point, everyone can rhyme off these list of incidents as they are constantly in the media limelight, in the way Bloody Sunday is also. Though to be fair I don't think there was an establishment conspiracy to label the victims in any of the former incidents as culpable in their own demise in the way the Bloody Sunday victims were, and quite frankly still are across a large swathe of unionist opinion in the north.
I listened to part of Nolan there, a man from Newtownards was on who said he had been caught up in an IRA bombing in 1992. He was strongly against people glorifying the IRA by singing the Celtic Symphony and was looking people banned from the airport and the Ireland team to be banned from the world cup. There was absolutely no mention of banning anyone from the centre of Banbridge.
He then said that he was lucky he wasn't 'killed innocently' and that he was lucky he wasn't one of the "1800 people that were killed innocently". To me this just sums up the entire mindset of a substantial proportion of the unionist population. That the 1800 people who were killed by the IRA were innocent victims. The remaining people who were killed by the Police Army and UVF etc were not among the innocent victims.
Nolan, neglected to challenge this nonsense from the contributor.
There weren't any UVF victims on, or Catholics asked if they were offended by the FTP songs.
Jesus wise up. Thats makes no sense at all. He was nearly killed, hes bound to be bitter and I think you are away off there putting words into his mouth with your own interpretation.
Walk in another mans shoes before you judge. Some serious growing up needed on both sides
Quote from: Snapchap on October 17, 2022, 11:32:00 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on October 17, 2022, 11:09:36 AM
Quote from: michaelg on October 17, 2022, 09:45:46 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 17, 2022, 09:25:06 AM
Quote from: ONeill on October 16, 2022, 11:18:11 PM
There's something happening at the minute and it's interesting to watch. Not sure if it's a reaction to being told by a Sky reporter how the Irish should behave or an acceptance of our own history but there's something happening here.
I think so too and it's the Southern media's response to this.
A bunch of Armagh or Tyrone camogs or ladies footballers and they'd be fair game for this overreaction for your one from Portadown trying to get some of the girls sacked, but they're Dubs, they're from Cork, Donegal and wherever..
So far it's been slightly more nuanced, Mullaly in the Irish Times touches on it (although she's quick to distinguish the new IRA from the Old IRA ;) ) as it's the young, modern Irish are proud of their Irish heritage and manifests itself in Republicanism whereas the older generations were still forelock tuggers to the English betters.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2022/10/13/una-mullally-what-does-it-mean-to-say-up-the-ra-and-why-does-it-keep-happening/ (https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2022/10/13/una-mullally-what-does-it-mean-to-say-up-the-ra-and-why-does-it-keep-happening/)
Or maybe it's a bit of what Mulally points to but also the youth of Ireland being much better informed as to what actually happened up here during the troubles now that RTE has lost it's absolute control of the messaging relating to here.
They're now hearing that the British Army did run amok in Derry and Ballymurphy killing people who are just like them, they now know that the British Army were directly involved in the Dublin and Monaghan bombings, they now know that the British Army and the RUC worked cheek to jowl with Loyalist paramilitaries killed people like Sean Brown and Aidan McAnespie just for their love of GAA, just like them.
The truth may have set the youth of Ireland free, may it set Ireland free.
They must not have got the memo about Enniskillen, Shankill, Warrington, Bloody Friday etc
Well that's exactly the point, everyone can rhyme off these list of incidents as they are constantly in the media limelight, in the way Bloody Sunday is also. Though to be fair I don't think there was an establishment conspiracy to label the victims in any of the former incidents as culpable in their own demise in the way the Bloody Sunday victims were, and quite frankly still are across a large swathe of unionist opinion in the north.
I listened to part of Nolan there, a man from Newtownards was on who said he had been caught up in an IRA bombing in 1992. He was strongly against people glorifying the IRA by singing the Celtic Symphony and was looking people banned from the airport and the Ireland team to be banned from the world cup. There was absolutely no mention of banning anyone from the centre of Banbridge.
He then said that he was lucky he wasn't 'killed innocently' and that he was lucky he wasn't one of the "1800 people that were killed innocently". To me this just sums up the entire mindset of a substantial proportion of the unionist population. That the 1800 people who were killed by the IRA were innocent victims. The remaining people who were killed by the Police Army and UVF etc were not among the innocent victims.
Nolan, neglected to challenge this nonsense from the contributor.
There weren't any UVF victims on, or Catholics asked if they were offended by the FTP songs.
And what you have done there is give a list of reasons why you (and everyone else) would be better off not facilitating him by boosting his listener figures. It's no wonder he keeps getting away with his sectarian baiting when so many who see it for what it is, still tune in for him.
The Nolan show is, and has been a massive part of the problem. I haven't listened to it for a few years and I would advise anybody to do the same. Its a show that thrives on sectarian controversies and is full of anger, hate and division so why would you put yourself through that daily hatefest. Given that it is likely to be mostly older people listening, my guess is that it is a large majority of Unionists who listen to the show. Most young educated people just roll their eyes at Nolans latest attempt to stir up the sectarian pot.
Exactly this. It would just infuriate you. It is hard not to read what has been said on it so very hard to avoid completely. If you were to believe what you hear from voices in that show then that old line "a protestant state for protestant people" should actually read a nationalist state for nationalist people and we all know that is far from the truth with the biggest unionist party getting away scot free with bringing down establishments and getting little to no flak from any direction for their connections with active, and the word active is very key here, paramilitaries.
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 17, 2022, 10:28:49 AM
Some of the shite you read on this is some craic. Now apparently thousands of people from the 26 support(ed) the IRA because there were a few videos. A united Ireland is off. Locakhart and Pengelly are deeply upset.
You couldn't make it up.
The UI is finished my arse.
NI is a wee basket case that can't pay for itself
Aye over and out. Sin é domhsa
Quote from: yellowcard on October 17, 2022, 11:47:57 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on October 17, 2022, 11:32:00 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on October 17, 2022, 11:09:36 AM
Quote from: michaelg on October 17, 2022, 09:45:46 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 17, 2022, 09:25:06 AM
Quote from: ONeill on October 16, 2022, 11:18:11 PM
There's something happening at the minute and it's interesting to watch. Not sure if it's a reaction to being told by a Sky reporter how the Irish should behave or an acceptance of our own history but there's something happening here.
I think so too and it's the Southern media's response to this.
A bunch of Armagh or Tyrone camogs or ladies footballers and they'd be fair game for this overreaction for your one from Portadown trying to get some of the girls sacked, but they're Dubs, they're from Cork, Donegal and wherever..
So far it's been slightly more nuanced, Mullaly in the Irish Times touches on it (although she's quick to distinguish the new IRA from the Old IRA ;) ) as it's the young, modern Irish are proud of their Irish heritage and manifests itself in Republicanism whereas the older generations were still forelock tuggers to the English betters.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2022/10/13/una-mullally-what-does-it-mean-to-say-up-the-ra-and-why-does-it-keep-happening/ (https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2022/10/13/una-mullally-what-does-it-mean-to-say-up-the-ra-and-why-does-it-keep-happening/)
Or maybe it's a bit of what Mulally points to but also the youth of Ireland being much better informed as to what actually happened up here during the troubles now that RTE has lost it's absolute control of the messaging relating to here.
They're now hearing that the British Army did run amok in Derry and Ballymurphy killing people who are just like them, they now know that the British Army were directly involved in the Dublin and Monaghan bombings, they now know that the British Army and the RUC worked cheek to jowl with Loyalist paramilitaries killed people like Sean Brown and Aidan McAnespie just for their love of GAA, just like them.
The truth may have set the youth of Ireland free, may it set Ireland free.
They must not have got the memo about Enniskillen, Shankill, Warrington, Bloody Friday etc
Well that's exactly the point, everyone can rhyme off these list of incidents as they are constantly in the media limelight, in the way Bloody Sunday is also. Though to be fair I don't think there was an establishment conspiracy to label the victims in any of the former incidents as culpable in their own demise in the way the Bloody Sunday victims were, and quite frankly still are across a large swathe of unionist opinion in the north.
I listened to part of Nolan there, a man from Newtownards was on who said he had been caught up in an IRA bombing in 1992. He was strongly against people glorifying the IRA by singing the Celtic Symphony and was looking people banned from the airport and the Ireland team to be banned from the world cup. There was absolutely no mention of banning anyone from the centre of Banbridge.
He then said that he was lucky he wasn't 'killed innocently' and that he was lucky he wasn't one of the "1800 people that were killed innocently". To me this just sums up the entire mindset of a substantial proportion of the unionist population. That the 1800 people who were killed by the IRA were innocent victims. The remaining people who were killed by the Police Army and UVF etc were not among the innocent victims.
Nolan, neglected to challenge this nonsense from the contributor.
There weren't any UVF victims on, or Catholics asked if they were offended by the FTP songs.
And what you have done there is give a list of reasons why you (and everyone else) would be better off not facilitating him by boosting his listener figures. It's no wonder he keeps getting away with his sectarian baiting when so many who see it for what it is, still tune in for him.
The Nolan show is, and has been a massive part of the problem. I haven't listened to it for a few years and I would advise anybody to do the same. Its a show that thrives on sectarian controversies and is full of anger, hate and division so why would you put yourself through that daily hatefest. Given that it is likely to be mostly older people listening, my guess is that it is a large majority of Unionists who listen to the show. Most young educated people just roll their eyes at Nolans latest attempt to stir up the sectarian pot.
Same with the Belfast Telegraph page on FB, its just a constant barrage of contentious articles that you know is going to be jumped on by hundreds from both sides.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 17, 2022, 11:44:00 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on October 17, 2022, 11:09:36 AM
Quote from: michaelg on October 17, 2022, 09:45:46 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 17, 2022, 09:25:06 AM
Quote from: ONeill on October 16, 2022, 11:18:11 PM
There's something happening at the minute and it's interesting to watch. Not sure if it's a reaction to being told by a Sky reporter how the Irish should behave or an acceptance of our own history but there's something happening here.
I think so too and it's the Southern media's response to this.
A bunch of Armagh or Tyrone camogs or ladies footballers and they'd be fair game for this overreaction for your one from Portadown trying to get some of the girls sacked, but they're Dubs, they're from Cork, Donegal and wherever..
So far it's been slightly more nuanced, Mullaly in the Irish Times touches on it (although she's quick to distinguish the new IRA from the Old IRA ;) ) as it's the young, modern Irish are proud of their Irish heritage and manifests itself in Republicanism whereas the older generations were still forelock tuggers to the English betters.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2022/10/13/una-mullally-what-does-it-mean-to-say-up-the-ra-and-why-does-it-keep-happening/ (https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2022/10/13/una-mullally-what-does-it-mean-to-say-up-the-ra-and-why-does-it-keep-happening/)
Or maybe it's a bit of what Mulally points to but also the youth of Ireland being much better informed as to what actually happened up here during the troubles now that RTE has lost it's absolute control of the messaging relating to here.
They're now hearing that the British Army did run amok in Derry and Ballymurphy killing people who are just like them, they now know that the British Army were directly involved in the Dublin and Monaghan bombings, they now know that the British Army and the RUC worked cheek to jowl with Loyalist paramilitaries killed people like Sean Brown and Aidan McAnespie just for their love of GAA, just like them.
The truth may have set the youth of Ireland free, may it set Ireland free.
They must not have got the memo about Enniskillen, Shankill, Warrington, Bloody Friday etc
Well that's exactly the point, everyone can rhyme off these list of incidents as they are constantly in the media limelight, in the way Bloody Sunday is also. Though to be fair I don't think there was an establishment conspiracy to label the victims in any of the former incidents as culpable in their own demise in the way the Bloody Sunday victims were, and quite frankly still are across a large swathe of unionist opinion in the north.
I listened to part of Nolan there, a man from Newtownards was on who said he had been caught up in an IRA bombing in 1992. He was strongly against people glorifying the IRA by singing the Celtic Symphony and was looking people banned from the airport and the Ireland team to be banned from the world cup. There was absolutely no mention of banning anyone from the centre of Banbridge.
He then said that he was lucky he wasn't 'killed innocently' and that he was lucky he wasn't one of the "1800 people that were killed innocently". To me this just sums up the entire mindset of a substantial proportion of the unionist population. That the 1800 people who were killed by the IRA were innocent victims. The remaining people who were killed by the Police Army and UVF etc were not among the innocent victims.
Nolan, neglected to challenge this nonsense from the contributor.
There weren't any UVF victims on, or Catholics asked if they were offended by the FTP songs.
Jesus wise up. Thats makes no sense at all. He was nearly killed, hes bound to be bitter and I think you are away off there putting words into his mouth with your own interpretation.
Walk in another mans shoes before you judge. Some serious growing up needed on both sides
I didn't put words in his mouth, hence the quote marks where I directly quoted him ::)
Quote from: Keyser soze on October 17, 2022, 01:42:32 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 17, 2022, 11:44:00 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on October 17, 2022, 11:09:36 AM
Quote from: michaelg on October 17, 2022, 09:45:46 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 17, 2022, 09:25:06 AM
Quote from: ONeill on October 16, 2022, 11:18:11 PM
There's something happening at the minute and it's interesting to watch. Not sure if it's a reaction to being told by a Sky reporter how the Irish should behave or an acceptance of our own history but there's something happening here.
I think so too and it's the Southern media's response to this.
A bunch of Armagh or Tyrone camogs or ladies footballers and they'd be fair game for this overreaction for your one from Portadown trying to get some of the girls sacked, but they're Dubs, they're from Cork, Donegal and wherever..
So far it's been slightly more nuanced, Mullaly in the Irish Times touches on it (although she's quick to distinguish the new IRA from the Old IRA ;) ) as it's the young, modern Irish are proud of their Irish heritage and manifests itself in Republicanism whereas the older generations were still forelock tuggers to the English betters.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2022/10/13/una-mullally-what-does-it-mean-to-say-up-the-ra-and-why-does-it-keep-happening/ (https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2022/10/13/una-mullally-what-does-it-mean-to-say-up-the-ra-and-why-does-it-keep-happening/)
Or maybe it's a bit of what Mulally points to but also the youth of Ireland being much better informed as to what actually happened up here during the troubles now that RTE has lost it's absolute control of the messaging relating to here.
They're now hearing that the British Army did run amok in Derry and Ballymurphy killing people who are just like them, they now know that the British Army were directly involved in the Dublin and Monaghan bombings, they now know that the British Army and the RUC worked cheek to jowl with Loyalist paramilitaries killed people like Sean Brown and Aidan McAnespie just for their love of GAA, just like them.
The truth may have set the youth of Ireland free, may it set Ireland free.
They must not have got the memo about Enniskillen, Shankill, Warrington, Bloody Friday etc
Well that's exactly the point, everyone can rhyme off these list of incidents as they are constantly in the media limelight, in the way Bloody Sunday is also. Though to be fair I don't think there was an establishment conspiracy to label the victims in any of the former incidents as culpable in their own demise in the way the Bloody Sunday victims were, and quite frankly still are across a large swathe of unionist opinion in the north.
I listened to part of Nolan there, a man from Newtownards was on who said he had been caught up in an IRA bombing in 1992. He was strongly against people glorifying the IRA by singing the Celtic Symphony and was looking people banned from the airport and the Ireland team to be banned from the world cup. There was absolutely no mention of banning anyone from the centre of Banbridge.
He then said that he was lucky he wasn't 'killed innocently' and that he was lucky he wasn't one of the "1800 people that were killed innocently". To me this just sums up the entire mindset of a substantial proportion of the unionist population. That the 1800 people who were killed by the IRA were innocent victims. The remaining people who were killed by the Police Army and UVF etc were not among the innocent victims.
Nolan, neglected to challenge this nonsense from the contributor.
There weren't any UVF victims on, or Catholics asked if they were offended by the FTP songs.
Jesus wise up. Thats makes no sense at all. He was nearly killed, hes bound to be bitter and I think you are away off there putting words into his mouth with your own interpretation.
Walk in another mans shoes before you judge. Some serious growing up needed on both sides
I didn't put words in his mouth, hence the quote marks where I directly quoted him ::)
I rarely listen to Nolan but put in on the wireless this morning on the way back from the school run.
He's pretending to be impartial....some guy asked him a question (can't remember what now) and he said that he can't answer questions or give opinions as then he couldn't do his job impartially.
Then he goes on to continually refer to IRA murderers and terrorists killing innocent people. By calling the IRA terrorists, he's giving an opinion. Yes the establishment and unionists would like to brand them terrorists, but by many on the nationalist side they were the defending force and were instead freedom fighters. One narrative doesn't invalidate the other.
A caller said that no-one is calling Ukrainians terrorists for fighting back against the Russians, or the French for fighting back against the Nazis. An extreme comparison admittedly, but it's a fair point. Of course, he was cut off.
The context of the song in this case I don't believe was to give praise to the IRA. It was a spur of the moment deadly tune to celebrate with. Compare that with we have to listen to every year during marching season on a planned and repeated basis that we have to accept as culture. To the emblems of loyalist paramilitaries plastered over walls, flags and band banners. Para regiment flags being erected in Derry on the eve of Bloody Sunday anniversary. Effigies and flags being burnt on bonfires. British Army collusion in murders. Its a culture of bigotry, secterianism and hate. A culture celebrating the superiority of unioism over Catholicism/nationalism/irishness. Where is the parity?
This is a unionist storm in a teacup meant to try to divide.
The Nolan show is a platform for unionist vitriol.
But the single most obvious undertone of all of this is that they terrified. Terrified of a UI. They will say and do anything to avoid it.
Not speaking for everyone here but as i mentioned earlier the response to all this is quite different from the people in the occupied 6 compared to the Southern brigade. Majority of people from the North would be quite Republican and still have a we soft spot for the RA and most things Republican whereas the guys down south have no time for it nor have any interest in mixing it with their current lives. I suppose you would have had to grow up in it to know why the North feel the way they feel, it is really disappointing when fellow Irish men would throw you under the bus quicker than the Unionists would.
As someone mentioned earlier the Nolan show is responsible for holding this Country back, it has a massive audience and everyday it stirs the sh1t up continuously reminding people of all the bad that happened and bringing on people with gripes and bitterness to spew. I don't listen to it that often but anytime i did listen in it would leave me furious and swear I'd never tune in again
Quote from: illdecide on October 17, 2022, 03:13:38 PM
Not speaking for everyone here but as i mentioned earlier the response to all this is quite different from the people in the occupied 6 compared to the Southern brigade. Majority of people from the North would be quite Republican and still have a we soft spot for the RA and most things Republican whereas the guys down south have no time for it nor have any interest in mixing it with their current lives. I suppose you would have had to grow up in it to know why the North feel the way they feel, it is really disappointing when fellow Irish men would throw you under the bus quicker than the Unionists would.
As someone mentioned earlier the Nolan show is responsible for holding this Country back, it has a massive audience and everyday it stirs the sh1t up continuously reminding people of all the bad that happened and bringing on people with gripes and bitterness to spew. I don't listen to it that often but anytime i did listen in it would leave me furious and swear I'd never tune in again
What an absolute stonker of a take.
Quote from: trailer on October 17, 2022, 03:49:05 PM
Quote from: illdecide on October 17, 2022, 03:13:38 PM
Not speaking for everyone here but as i mentioned earlier the response to all this is quite different from the people in the occupied 6 compared to the Southern brigade. Majority of people from the North would be quite Republican and still have a we soft spot for the RA and most things Republican whereas the guys down south have no time for it nor have any interest in mixing it with their current lives. I suppose you would have had to grow up in it to know why the North feel the way they feel, it is really disappointing when fellow Irish men would throw you under the bus quicker than the Unionists would.
As someone mentioned earlier the Nolan show is responsible for holding this Country back, it has a massive audience and everyday it stirs the sh1t up continuously reminding people of all the bad that happened and bringing on people with gripes and bitterness to spew. I don't listen to it that often but anytime i did listen in it would leave me furious and swear I'd never tune in again
What an absolute stonker of a take.
Fairly accurate, well in my experience anyway actually
'But the single most obvious undertone of all of this is that they terrified. Terrified of a UI. They will say and do anything to avoid it'
In a nutshell. But their failed shithole sectarian statelet is over. No more gerrymandering. They'll have one vote, just like the rest of us. 50+1.
Quote from: trailer on October 17, 2022, 03:49:05 PM
Quote from: illdecide on October 17, 2022, 03:13:38 PM
Not speaking for everyone here but as i mentioned earlier the response to all this is quite different from the people in the occupied 6 compared to the Southern brigade. Majority of people from the North would be quite Republican and still have a we soft spot for the RA and most things Republican whereas the guys down south have no time for it nor have any interest in mixing it with their current lives. I suppose you would have had to grow up in it to know why the North feel the way they feel, it is really disappointing when fellow Irish men would throw you under the bus quicker than the Unionists would.
As someone mentioned earlier the Nolan show is responsible for holding this Country back, it has a massive audience and everyday it stirs the sh1t up continuously reminding people of all the bad that happened and bringing on people with gripes and bitterness to spew. I don't listen to it that often but anytime i did listen in it would leave me furious and swear I'd never tune in again
What an absolute stonker of a take.
IT's only my opinion of how i see it. Your reply is what i'd expect
Quote from: tbrick18 on October 17, 2022, 02:30:37 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on October 17, 2022, 01:42:32 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 17, 2022, 11:44:00 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on October 17, 2022, 11:09:36 AM
Quote from: michaelg on October 17, 2022, 09:45:46 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 17, 2022, 09:25:06 AM
Quote from: ONeill on October 16, 2022, 11:18:11 PM
There's something happening at the minute and it's interesting to watch. Not sure if it's a reaction to being told by a Sky reporter how the Irish should behave or an acceptance of our own history but there's something happening here.
I think so too and it's the Southern media's response to this.
A bunch of Armagh or Tyrone camogs or ladies footballers and they'd be fair game for this overreaction for your one from Portadown trying to get some of the girls sacked, but they're Dubs, they're from Cork, Donegal and wherever..
So far it's been slightly more nuanced, Mullaly in the Irish Times touches on it (although she's quick to distinguish the new IRA from the Old IRA ;) ) as it's the young, modern Irish are proud of their Irish heritage and manifests itself in Republicanism whereas the older generations were still forelock tuggers to the English betters.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2022/10/13/una-mullally-what-does-it-mean-to-say-up-the-ra-and-why-does-it-keep-happening/ (https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2022/10/13/una-mullally-what-does-it-mean-to-say-up-the-ra-and-why-does-it-keep-happening/)
Or maybe it's a bit of what Mulally points to but also the youth of Ireland being much better informed as to what actually happened up here during the troubles now that RTE has lost it's absolute control of the messaging relating to here.
They're now hearing that the British Army did run amok in Derry and Ballymurphy killing people who are just like them, they now know that the British Army were directly involved in the Dublin and Monaghan bombings, they now know that the British Army and the RUC worked cheek to jowl with Loyalist paramilitaries killed people like Sean Brown and Aidan McAnespie just for their love of GAA, just like them.
The truth may have set the youth of Ireland free, may it set Ireland free.
They must not have got the memo about Enniskillen, Shankill, Warrington, Bloody Friday etc
Well that's exactly the point, everyone can rhyme off these list of incidents as they are constantly in the media limelight, in the way Bloody Sunday is also. Though to be fair I don't think there was an establishment conspiracy to label the victims in any of the former incidents as culpable in their own demise in the way the Bloody Sunday victims were, and quite frankly still are across a large swathe of unionist opinion in the north.
I listened to part of Nolan there, a man from Newtownards was on who said he had been caught up in an IRA bombing in 1992. He was strongly against people glorifying the IRA by singing the Celtic Symphony and was looking people banned from the airport and the Ireland team to be banned from the world cup. There was absolutely no mention of banning anyone from the centre of Banbridge.
He then said that he was lucky he wasn't 'killed innocently' and that he was lucky he wasn't one of the "1800 people that were killed innocently". To me this just sums up the entire mindset of a substantial proportion of the unionist population. That the 1800 people who were killed by the IRA were innocent victims. The remaining people who were killed by the Police Army and UVF etc were not among the innocent victims.
Nolan, neglected to challenge this nonsense from the contributor.
There weren't any UVF victims on, or Catholics asked if they were offended by the FTP songs.
Jesus wise up. Thats makes no sense at all. He was nearly killed, hes bound to be bitter and I think you are away off there putting words into his mouth with your own interpretation.
Walk in another mans shoes before you judge. Some serious growing up needed on both sides
I didn't put words in his mouth, hence the quote marks where I directly quoted him ::)
I rarely listen to Nolan but put in on the wireless this morning on the way back from the school run.
He's pretending to be impartial....some guy asked him a question (can't remember what now) and he said that he can't answer questions or give opinions as then he couldn't do his job impartially.
Then he goes on to continually refer to IRA murderers and terrorists killing innocent people. By calling the IRA terrorists, he's giving an opinion. Yes the establishment and unionists would like to brand them terrorists, but by many on the nationalist side they were the defending force and were instead freedom fighters. One narrative doesn't invalidate the other.
A caller said that no-one is calling Ukrainians terrorists for fighting back against the Russians, or the French for fighting back against the Nazis. An extreme comparison admittedly, but it's a fair point. Of course, he was cut off.
The context of the song in this case I don't believe was to give praise to the IRA. It was a spur of the moment deadly tune to celebrate with. Compare that with we have to listen to every year during marching season on a planned and repeated basis that we have to accept as culture. To the emblems of loyalist paramilitaries plastered over walls, flags and band banners. Para regiment flags being erected in Derry on the eve of Bloody Sunday anniversary. Effigies and flags being burnt on bonfires. British Army collusion in murders. Its a culture of bigotry, secterianism and hate. A culture celebrating the superiority of unioism over Catholicism/nationalism/irishness. Where is the parity?
This is a unionist storm in a teacup meant to try to divide.
The Nolan show is a platform for unionist vitriol.
But the single most obvious undertone of all of this is that they terrified. Terrified of a UI. They will say and do anything to avoid it.
That's it in a nutshell
Quote from: AustinPowers on October 17, 2022, 06:19:51 PM
That's it in a nutshell
Plus, they use anecdotal evidence to paint all 3.5 million people in the south as sectarian.
Exactly this. A few small sections have people have changed this therefore everyone in the south would behave the same way. Ridiculous. Aaaahhhh we can't have a United ireland now. Hysterical nonsense.
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 17, 2022, 07:55:14 PM
Exactly this. A few small sections have people have changed this therefore everyone in the south would behave the same way. Ridiculous. Aaaahhhh we can't have a United ireland now. Hysterical nonsense.
The best one I saw was some clown on Twitter saying he would no longer fly out of Dublin airport.
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 17, 2022, 07:55:14 PM
Exactly this. A few small sections have people have changed this therefore everyone in the south would behave the same way. Ridiculous. Aaaahhhh we can't have a United ireland now. Hysterical nonsense.
That's my point - mostly dummy chuckies, they wouldn't be anywhere near proper militant hardcore stuff.
Not a reflection at all. The real support for Ira was very very low and localised
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 17, 2022, 08:55:41 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 17, 2022, 07:55:14 PM
Exactly this. A few small sections have people have changed this therefore everyone in the south would behave the same way. Ridiculous. Aaaahhhh we can't have a United ireland now. Hysterical nonsense.
That's my point - mostly dummy chuckies, they wouldn't be anywhere near proper militant hardcore stuff.
Not a reflection at all. The real support for Ira was very very low and localised
I suppose it depends where you're from..
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 17, 2022, 09:13:08 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 17, 2022, 08:55:41 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 17, 2022, 07:55:14 PM
Exactly this. A few small sections have people have changed this therefore everyone in the south would behave the same way. Ridiculous. Aaaahhhh we can't have a United ireland now. Hysterical nonsense.
That's my point - mostly dummy chuckies, they wouldn't be anywhere near proper militant hardcore stuff.
Not a reflection at all. The real support for Ira was very very low and localised
I suppose it depends where you're from..
Defs.
Belfast,South Armagh,east Tyrone , Derry city( not Culmore road lol) , and few localised hotbeds.
Not Dublin, Glenties, Cork city or Dublin airport
Don't forget South Derry
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 17, 2022, 08:55:41 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 17, 2022, 07:55:14 PM
Exactly this. A few small sections have people have changed this therefore everyone in the south would behave the same way. Ridiculous. Aaaahhhh we can't have a United ireland now. Hysterical nonsense.
That's my point - mostly dummy chuckies, they wouldn't be anywhere near proper militant hardcore stuff.
Not a reflection at all. The real support for Ira was very very low and localised
Yeah and I agree.
I was on a stag once and there was a bit of an eejit from a small village near me there. He was telling one of the other guy's on the stag that they sat in a local bar one night and talked about whether they would start "the ra" up there. In the end they decided they couldn't be bothered ;D Same thing.
Quote from: Orior on October 17, 2022, 06:53:29 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on October 17, 2022, 06:19:51 PM
That's it in a nutshell
Plus, they use anecdotal evidence to paint all 3.5 million people in the south as sectarian.
I think you'll find there are 5 million people in "the south"
Christmas 1973 there were 131 Derry City men and 6 women locked up.
Most have abandoned SF these days
Quote from: Rossfan on October 17, 2022, 09:46:22 PM
Quote from: Orior on October 17, 2022, 06:53:29 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on October 17, 2022, 06:19:51 PM
That's it in a nutshell
Plus, they use anecdotal evidence to paint all 3.5 million people in the south as sectarian.
I think you'll find there are 5 million people in "the south"
When Orior and I went to school there weren't as many.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 17, 2022, 10:39:18 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 17, 2022, 09:46:22 PM
Quote from: Orior on October 17, 2022, 06:53:29 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on October 17, 2022, 06:19:51 PM
That's it in a nutshell
Plus, they use anecdotal evidence to paint all 3.5 million people in the south as sectarian.
I think you'll find there are 5 million people in "the south"*
When Orior and I went to school there weren't as many.
As Paisley once said "They're breeding like rabbits"
* please accept my sincerest apologies. Brain had switched aff dammit.
https://youtu.be/eY2FgX6dhCc
Quote from: seafoid on October 18, 2022, 08:25:01 PM
https://youtu.be/eY2FgX6dhCc
I didn't realise just how threatened Loyalists really feel!!!. What have they really to fear anyway?. The Catholic's up North will never treat them they way they treated us and the Southern brigade will probably pamper them and give them what they want. A United Ireland will do them no harm at all but I think we'll all agree they'd rather fall on their own swords first
Quote from: illdecide on October 19, 2022, 11:51:40 AM
Quote from: seafoid on October 18, 2022, 08:25:01 PM
https://youtu.be/eY2FgX6dhCc
I didn't realise just how threatened Loyalists really feel!!!. What have they really to fear anyway?. The Catholic's up North will never treat them they way they treated us and the Southern brigade will probably pamper them and give them what they want. A United Ireland will do them no harm at all but I think we'll all agree they'd rather fall on their own swords first
If anything they'll get far better treatment in a UI than they currently do from London who could not give a shite about them. They'll get far more of a say in an Irish parliament than they currently do in Westminster
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 19, 2022, 11:56:43 AM
Quote from: illdecide on October 19, 2022, 11:51:40 AM
Quote from: seafoid on October 18, 2022, 08:25:01 PM
https://youtu.be/eY2FgX6dhCc
I didn't realise just how threatened Loyalists really feel!!!. What have they really to fear anyway?. The Catholic's up North will never treat them they way they treated us and the Southern brigade will probably pamper them and give them what they want. A United Ireland will do them no harm at all but I think we'll all agree they'd rather fall on their own swords first
If anything they'll get far better treatment in a UI than they currently do from London who could not give a shite about them. They'll get far more of a say in an Irish parliament than they currently do in Westminster
My thoughts exactly...
Quote from: illdecide on October 19, 2022, 12:02:46 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 19, 2022, 11:56:43 AM
Quote from: illdecide on October 19, 2022, 11:51:40 AM
Quote from: seafoid on October 18, 2022, 08:25:01 PM
https://youtu.be/eY2FgX6dhCc
I didn't realise just how threatened Loyalists really feel!!!. What have they really to fear anyway?. The Catholic's up North will never treat them they way they treated us and the Southern brigade will probably pamper them and give them what they want. A United Ireland will do them no harm at all but I think we'll all agree they'd rather fall on their own swords first
If anything they'll get far better treatment in a UI than they currently do from London who could not give a shite about them. They'll get far more of a say in an Irish parliament than they currently do in Westminster
My thoughts exactly...
It's not about that though, it's about superiority and they haven't come to terms with that yet, so aligning with this thread it's their persecution complex that they're a peaceful bunch set upon by the murderous Catholics wanting to wipe them out.
Election time coming up has probably cranked it up a bit.
Quote from: johnnycool on October 19, 2022, 12:13:40 PM
Quote from: illdecide on October 19, 2022, 12:02:46 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 19, 2022, 11:56:43 AM
Quote from: illdecide on October 19, 2022, 11:51:40 AM
Quote from: seafoid on October 18, 2022, 08:25:01 PM
https://youtu.be/eY2FgX6dhCc
I didn't realise just how threatened Loyalists really feel!!!. What have they really to fear anyway?. The Catholic's up North will never treat them they way they treated us and the Southern brigade will probably pamper them and give them what they want. A United Ireland will do them no harm at all but I think we'll all agree they'd rather fall on their own swords first
If anything they'll get far better treatment in a UI than they currently do from London who could not give a shite about them. They'll get far more of a say in an Irish parliament than they currently do in Westminster
My thoughts exactly...
It's not about that though, it's about superiority and they haven't come to terms with that yet, so aligning with this thread it's their persecution complex that they're a peaceful bunch set upon by the murderous Catholics wanting to wipe them out.
Its all about superiority.
They still haven't come to terms with the fact that Irish Catholics and Nationalists are equals. When elected, they only represent the people who vote for them and not the entire population - which leads to contempt and further division.
There is a minority of unionists, namely the loyalist demographic, which will not accept Catholicism or Irish Nationalism. Even if they were to have a better quality of life they would not accept it.
So they take every opportunity to shout about those murderous IRA supporting catholics in an attempt to make sure others think the same way as them.
I think (or at least hope) eventually, over time, that demographic will die out. But it won't be soon as hatred and bigotry breeds more hatred and bigotry.
We've broken the bastards with equality, to paraphrase...
It's only 2-3 generations where this blight on our Irish history has taken place and it's hard to believe that my Grandfather as a child was in one undivided Ireland (was all about to kick off). I mean what do these people think to themselves living in this Country from the Unionist/Loyalist community knowing their Grandparents are responsible for this mess..
During its history, the United Kingdom's forces (or forces with a British mandate) have invaded, had some control over or fought conflicts in 171 of the world's 193
Countries that are currently UN member states, or nine out of ten of all countries.
Anguilla
Bermuda
British Antarctic Territory (BAT) - ASSI has no direct responsibility in relation to BAT as the Antarctic Treaty takes precedence.
British Indian Ocean Territory
British Virgin Islands
Cayman Islands
Falkland Islands
Gibraltar - outside ASSI's remit due to its position within the European Union.
Montserrat
Pitcairn Island, Henderson, Ducie and Oeno Islands
St Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha
Sovereign Base Areas (SBA) - ASSI's responsibility in relation to the SBA is limited to the provision of advice to the Administrator.
South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands
Turks and Caicos Islands
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 19, 2022, 11:56:43 AM
Quote from: illdecide on October 19, 2022, 11:51:40 AM
Quote from: seafoid on October 18, 2022, 08:25:01 PM
https://youtu.be/eY2FgX6dhCc
I didn't realise just how threatened Loyalists really feel!!!. What have they really to fear anyway?. The Catholic's up North will never treat them they way they treated us and the Southern brigade will probably pamper them and give them what they want. A United Ireland will do them no harm at all but I think we'll all agree they'd rather fall on their own swords first
If anything they'll get far better treatment in a UI than they currently do from London who could not give a shite about them. They'll get far more of a say in an Irish parliament than they currently do in Westminster
I honestly think if a UI happened, nationalists in the north would again be the poorer for it, just like after partition. Let's face it , the Dublin government would have to bend over backwards to be seen pumping money into unionist areas in terms of housing , jobs,education etc etc . Northern Unionists have more to gain in a UI than northern nationalists . Unionist "culture", orange marches , Ulster Scots, and all that , would take off like never before
Quote from: AustinPowers on October 19, 2022, 05:38:32 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 19, 2022, 11:56:43 AM
Quote from: illdecide on October 19, 2022, 11:51:40 AM
Quote from: seafoid on October 18, 2022, 08:25:01 PM
https://youtu.be/eY2FgX6dhCc
I didn't realise just how threatened Loyalists really feel!!!. What have they really to fear anyway?. The Catholic's up North will never treat them they way they treated us and the Southern brigade will probably pamper them and give them what they want. A United Ireland will do them no harm at all but I think we'll all agree they'd rather fall on their own swords first
If anything they'll get far better treatment in a UI than they currently do from London who could not give a shite about them. They'll get far more of a say in an Irish parliament than they currently do in Westminster
I honestly think if a UI happened, nationalists in the north would again be the poorer for it, just like after partition. Let's face it , the Dublin government would have to bend over backwards to be seen pumping money into unionist areas in terms of housing , jobs,education etc etc . Northern Unionists have more to gain in a UI than northern nationalists . Unionist "culture", orange marches , Ulster Scots, and all that , would take off like never before
After reunification the North will need some kind of Marshall Plan. It has been left behind since 1968. The real community to worry about is the loyalists. They couldn't compete on the open market of a UI against farmers kids from Mayo.
Quote from: AustinPowers on October 19, 2022, 05:38:32 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 19, 2022, 11:56:43 AM
Quote from: illdecide on October 19, 2022, 11:51:40 AM
Quote from: seafoid on October 18, 2022, 08:25:01 PM
https://youtu.be/eY2FgX6dhCc
I didn't realise just how threatened Loyalists really feel!!!. What have they really to fear anyway?. The Catholic's up North will never treat them they way they treated us and the Southern brigade will probably pamper them and give them what they want. A United Ireland will do them no harm at all but I think we'll all agree they'd rather fall on their own swords first
If anything they'll get far better treatment in a UI than they currently do from London who could not give a shite about them. They'll get far more of a say in an Irish parliament than they currently do in Westminster
I honestly think if a UI happened, nationalists in the north would again be the poorer for it, just like after partition. Let's face it , the Dublin government would have to bend over backwards to be seen pumping money into unionist areas in terms of housing , jobs,education etc etc . Northern Unionists have more to gain in a UI than northern nationalists . Unionist "culture", orange marches , Ulster Scots, and all that , would take off like never before
Doooooooom, glooooooooom....
You can butter it up as much as you want but the Unionist won't vote for a UI, its like turkeys voting for Christmas, or a Northern Nationalist voting to stay in the UK ;)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 20, 2022, 09:26:38 AM
You can butter it up as much as you want but the Unionist won't vote for a UI, its like turkeys voting for Christmas, or a Northern Nationalist voting to stay in the UK ;)
This is it though, the bit Unionism hasn't come to terms with, to achieve a majority of 50+1 you don't need a Unionist to vote for it as per the last census figures and the trends within it are suggesting it's only going the one way unless Jamie Bryson and the UVF start a shagathon within the loyal orders..
Quote from: johnnycool on October 20, 2022, 09:39:55 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 20, 2022, 09:26:38 AM
You can butter it up as much as you want but the Unionist won't vote for a UI, its like turkeys voting for Christmas, or a Northern Nationalist voting to stay in the UK ;)
This is it though, the bit Unionism hasn't come to terms with, to achieve a majority of 50+1 you don't need a Unionist to vote for it as per the last census figures and the trends within it are suggesting it's only going the one way unless Jamie Bryson and the UVF start a shagathon within the loyal orders..
They dont and wont need to vote for it, sure by definition they are "unionists". If they vote for a UI they are no longer Unionists. What they do need to do is get used to the facts of what is coming, get involved and get the best deal for their people that they can.
Are those "loyal orders" male only?
Quote from: johnnycool on October 20, 2022, 09:39:55 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 20, 2022, 09:26:38 AM
You can butter it up as much as you want but the Unionist won't vote for a UI, its like turkeys voting for Christmas, or a Northern Nationalist voting to stay in the UK ;)
This is it though, the bit Unionism hasn't come to terms with, to achieve a majority of 50+1 you don't need a Unionist to vote for it as per the last census figures and the trends within it are suggesting it's only going the one way unless Jamie Bryson and the UVF start a shagathon within the loyal orders..
Plantation II ?
Quote from: AustinPowers on October 20, 2022, 04:19:41 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 20, 2022, 09:39:55 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 20, 2022, 09:26:38 AM
You can butter it up as much as you want but the Unionist won't vote for a UI, its like turkeys voting for Christmas, or a Northern Nationalist voting to stay in the UK ;)
This is it though, the bit Unionism hasn't come to terms with, to achieve a majority of 50+1 you don't need a Unionist to vote for it as per the last census figures and the trends within it are suggesting it's only going the one way unless Jamie Bryson and the UVF start a shagathon within the loyal orders..
Plantation II ?
Hard to see many from the Lowlands of Scotland wanting to come to this shíthole 400 years later, I think they learned their lesson.
Big Fermanagh Kyle given a 10 game ban by the Scottish FA...
Expect a cry for the girls to get the same.
Quote from: johnnycool on October 20, 2022, 04:49:28 PM
Big Fermanagh Kyle given a 10 game ban by the Scottish FA...
Expect a cry for the girls to get the same.
what did he say
Quote from: johnnycool on October 20, 2022, 04:49:28 PM
Big Fermanagh Kyle given a 10 game ban by the Scottish FA...
Expect a cry for the girls to get the same.
Twitter was full of the "Irish Girls should get the same and banned etc"
Irish girls sang a song about what was written on a wall.
Kyle L called celtic people/fans "A pack of fenian b@st@rds"
There is some difference there
Big Kyle is a fool hoor, and a sectarian bigot obviously, but a 10 game ban for that is a joke.
Quote from: Keyser soze on October 21, 2022, 11:29:36 AM
Big Kyle is a fool hoor, and a sectarian bigot obviously, but a 10 game ban for that is a joke.
Have the IFA taken any action? He was withdrawn from the squad at the time but was also "injured" so not like that constitutes any sort of sanction. The **** will probably not get picked again (due to being shite as opposed to a punishment)
Quote from: illdecide on October 21, 2022, 11:15:03 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 20, 2022, 04:49:28 PM
Big Fermanagh Kyle given a 10 game ban by the Scottish FA...
Expect a cry for the girls to get the same.
Twitter was full of the "Irish Girls should get the same and banned etc"
Irish girls sang a song about what was written on a wall.
Kyle L called celtic people/fans "A pack of fenian b@st@rds"
There is some difference there
The biggest difference is that you will peddle any lie possible to protect your own, whilst take any opportunity possible to belittle the other side.
Quote from: thewobbler on October 22, 2022, 12:09:12 PM
Quote from: illdecide on October 21, 2022, 11:15:03 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 20, 2022, 04:49:28 PM
Big Fermanagh Kyle given a 10 game ban by the Scottish FA...
Expect a cry for the girls to get the same.
Twitter was full of the "Irish Girls should get the same and banned etc"
Irish girls sang a song about what was written on a wall.
Kyle L called celtic people/fans "A pack of fenian b@st@rds"
There is some difference there
The biggest difference is that you will peddle any lie possible to protect your own, whilst take any opportunity possible to belittle the other side.
Me personally or Me generic?
If you can't see the difference between a sectarian bitter Bastid who calls Celtic fans "A pack of Fenian B@stards" and a team who were celebrating a major achievement and were singing a song they all don't even know what they're singing. As for the song itself I don't need to explain the words to you as i'm sure you know them, you know the difference too but you are just looking an on-line argy bargy which you're not going to get from me.
Quote from: michaelg on November 24, 2022, 05:25:35 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on November 24, 2022, 09:46:06 AM
Yesterday, the Committee on the Administration of Justice (CAJ) released it's latest report which found that housing threats and racist attacks are widespread in areas under loyalist paramilitary control.
That's just a few weeks on from loyalists threatening to end their 1994 ceasefire and a issuing specific threat against any southern politician who crosses the border.
So it's definitely a good job so many people are determined to focus on the latest 'somebody said up the ra' scandal.
Maybe they should be focusing on the republican terrorists who have been more than threatening to get back to vilolence in recent days.
Taking discussion from the wtf thread to this one, hope mods or no one else has any objection.
In response to your comment there Michaelg, theres a clear difference in a few idiots claiming to be republicans making half arsed attempts at police which was widely condemned by nationalist politicians and actual criminal gangs having a clear sway with unionist political parties. But you already know that
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 24, 2022, 05:39:53 PM
Quote from: michaelg on November 24, 2022, 05:25:35 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on November 24, 2022, 09:46:06 AM
Yesterday, the Committee on the Administration of Justice (CAJ) released it's latest report which found that housing threats and racist attacks are widespread in areas under loyalist paramilitary control.
That's just a few weeks on from loyalists threatening to end their 1994 ceasefire and a issuing specific threat against any southern politician who crosses the border.
So it's definitely a good job so many people are determined to focus on the latest 'somebody said up the ra' scandal.
Maybe they should be focusing on the republican terrorists who have been more than threatening to get back to vilolence in recent days.
Taking discussion from the wtf thread to this one, hope mods or no one else has any objection.
In response to your comment there Michaelg, theres a clear difference in a few idiots claiming to be republicans making half arsed attempts at police which was widely condemned by nationalist politicians and actual criminal gangs having a clear sway with unionist political parties. But you already know that
But you can see how people looking in will view it differently to you? If they are doing this under a 'republican' banner then that's how it's viewed and reported.
Throwing bombs or planting them half arsed as you say can lead to deaths
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 24, 2022, 05:39:53 PM
Quote from: michaelg on November 24, 2022, 05:25:35 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on November 24, 2022, 09:46:06 AM
Yesterday, the Committee on the Administration of Justice (CAJ) released it's latest report which found that housing threats and racist attacks are widespread in areas under loyalist paramilitary control.
That's just a few weeks on from loyalists threatening to end their 1994 ceasefire and a issuing specific threat against any southern politician who crosses the border.
So it's definitely a good job so many people are determined to focus on the latest 'somebody said up the ra' scandal.
Maybe they should be focusing on the republican terrorists who have been more than threatening to get back to vilolence in recent days.
Taking discussion from the wtf thread to this one, hope mods or no one else has any objection.
In response to your comment there Michaelg, theres a clear difference in a few idiots claiming to be republicans making half arsed attempts at police which was widely condemned by nationalist politicians and actual criminal gangs having a clear sway with unionist political parties. But you already know that
So, can you only be termed ia Republican if you are a SF supporter? Also, your 'half hearted attempts at police' is am awful comment.
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/woman-who-chanted-ira-slogan-to-arlene-foster-is-on-personal-leave-from-role-as-voluntary-school-counsellor-42171173.html
No big surprise, may or may not be relevant but possibly J. Burns as Principal probably conscious that as he is now going for the big job there would be a lot of eyes on him.
Those boys in Strabane were a tiny minority of a tiny minority. Bit different from the LCC pulling strings in the DUP
Could cause Burns am issue alright.
Quote from: michaelg on November 24, 2022, 05:25:35 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on November 24, 2022, 09:46:06 AM
Yesterday, the Committee on the Administration of Justice (CAJ) released it's latest report which found that housing threats and racist attacks are widespread in areas under loyalist paramilitary control.
That's just a few weeks on from loyalists threatening to end their 1994 ceasefire and a issuing specific threat against any southern politician who crosses the border.
So it's definitely a good job so many people are determined to focus on the latest 'somebody said up the ra' scandal.
Maybe they should be focusing on the republican terrorists who have been more than threatening to get back to vilolence in recent days.
How could they have based the report on events of recent days? Do you think their report was only commissioned a couple of days ago?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 24, 2022, 08:13:57 PM
Could cause Burns am issue alright.
Is he not a very close friend of conor Murphy? If that isn't a problem I don't see how snarlene getting roasted is.
Quote from: charlieTully on November 25, 2022, 08:58:22 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 24, 2022, 08:13:57 PM
Could cause Burns am issue alright.
Is he not a very close friend of conor Murphy? If that isn't a problem I don't see how snarlene getting roasted is.
Not sure what relevance either would have...
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 25, 2022, 09:12:35 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 25, 2022, 08:58:22 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 24, 2022, 08:13:57 PM
Could cause Burns am issue alright.
Is he not a very close friend of conor Murphy? If that isn't a problem I don't see how snarlene getting roasted is.
Not sure what relevance either would have...
It will be the optics. How is he seen to handle this issue with a member of staff.
Quote from: LeoMc on November 25, 2022, 11:03:20 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 25, 2022, 09:12:35 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 25, 2022, 08:58:22 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 24, 2022, 08:13:57 PM
Could cause Burns am issue alright.
Is he not a very close friend of conor Murphy? If that isn't a problem I don't see how snarlene getting roasted is.
Not sure what relevance either would have...
It will be the optics. How is he seen to handle this issue with a member of staff.
Bel Tel reports that she works there in a voluntary capacity so i dont think she'd be staff as such. She has requested leave which the school has granted. Not sure what else they could do at this stage. As long as the school follows proper procedures I don't think there'd be an issue for Burns.
Quote from: Pub Bore on November 25, 2022, 12:30:55 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on November 25, 2022, 11:03:20 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 25, 2022, 09:12:35 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 25, 2022, 08:58:22 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 24, 2022, 08:13:57 PM
Could cause Burns am issue alright.
Is he not a very close friend of conor Murphy? If that isn't a problem I don't see how snarlene getting roasted is.
Not sure what relevance either would have...
It will be the optics. How is he seen to handle this issue with a member of staff.
Bel Tel reports that she works there in a voluntary capacity so i dont think she'd be staff as such. She has requested leave which the school has granted. Not sure what else they could do at this stage. As long as the school follows proper procedures I don't think there'd be an issue for Burns.
For someone who works as councillor you would expect that she (Sinead Murtagh) would have some small bit of intelligence. Imagine her interacting with your children on a daily basis. Would scare the life out of you.
Quote from: trailer on November 25, 2022, 12:34:51 PM
Quote from: Pub Bore on November 25, 2022, 12:30:55 PM
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Could cause Burns am issue alright.
Is he not a very close friend of conor Murphy? If that isn't a problem I don't see how snarlene getting roasted is.
Not sure what relevance either would have...
It will be the optics. How is he seen to handle this issue with a member of staff.
Bel Tel reports that she works there in a voluntary capacity so i dont think she'd be staff as such. She has requested leave which the school has granted. Not sure what else they could do at this stage. As long as the school follows proper procedures I don't think there'd be an issue for Burns.
For someone who works as councillor you would expect that she (Sinead Murtagh) would have some small bit of intelligence. Imagine her interacting with your children on a daily basis. Would scare the life out of you.
Why? Are you afraid that she might shoot the children?
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Could cause Burns am issue alright.
Is he not a very close friend of conor Murphy? If that isn't a problem I don't see how snarlene getting roasted is.
Not sure what relevance either would have...
It will be the optics. How is he seen to handle this issue with a member of staff.
Bel Tel reports that she works there in a voluntary capacity so i dont think she'd be staff as such. She has requested leave which the school has granted. Not sure what else they could do at this stage. As long as the school follows proper procedures I don't think there'd be an issue for Burns.
For someone who works as councillor you would expect that she (Sinead Murtagh) would have some small bit of intelligence. Imagine her interacting with your children on a daily basis. Would scare the life out of you.
Why? Are you afraid that she might shoot the children?
No but there would appear to be a certain "lack" in this case. You hope that your children were being looked after by people with some sort of cop on at the very f**king least.
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Could cause Burns am issue alright.
Is he not a very close friend of conor Murphy? If that isn't a problem I don't see how snarlene getting roasted is.
Not sure what relevance either would have...
It will be the optics. How is he seen to handle this issue with a member of staff.
Bel Tel reports that she works there in a voluntary capacity so i dont think she'd be staff as such. She has requested leave which the school has granted. Not sure what else they could do at this stage. As long as the school follows proper procedures I don't think there'd be an issue for Burns.
For someone who works as councillor you would expect that she (Sinead Murtagh) would have some small bit of intelligence. Imagine her interacting with your children on a daily basis. Would scare the life out of you.
I never said she was clever! You know she has a brain because you can hear it rattle. Has to be one of the stupidest moves you'll ever see.
She's not bad looking
The day of the Stones/Gibraltar funeral we headed up to watch it, teenagers at the time but wise enough ( or so we thought) to know things..
Anyways while standing at the roundabout on the Andytown road a tv reporter came up to us and asked us questions, I remember the question clearly and the two mates with me had their heads down or avoided answering. Billy big balls though weighed in with an answer..
While the answer had no republican view point the fact that I was there and on tv I felt later in life if this crops up somewhere it won't be a good look..
30 odd years later it's still not a good idea but this eejit thought (with todays social media) that she'd try and be funny and not think it would have implications for her..
I have sympathy for her, named & shamed online for a stupid mistake. Nobody died or were injured. People are animals, creaming themselves at the thoughts of someone fu+kin up.
Brings me back to a bible quote "let he without sin cast the first stone" The reality is no more than Slane Girl or the girl from the north who ended up in jail for carrying drugs in south america, life goes on, people move on to the next big thing. Social media is severely toxic.
I hope she recovers & the rest of her life is good.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 24, 2022, 08:13:57 PM
Could cause Burns am issue alright.
Is he not a very close friend of conor Murphy? If that isn't a problem I don't see how snarlene getting roasted is.
Not sure what relevance either would have...
It will be the optics. How is he seen to handle this issue with a member of staff.
Bel Tel reports that she works there in a voluntary capacity so i dont think she'd be staff as such. She has requested leave which the school has granted. Not sure what else they could do at this stage. As long as the school follows proper procedures I don't think there'd be an issue for Burns.
For someone who works as councillor you would expect that she (Sinead Murtagh) would have some small bit of intelligence. Imagine her interacting with your children on a daily basis. Would scare the life out of you.
Why? Are you afraid that she might shoot the children?
No but there would appear to be a certain "lack" in this case. You hope that your children were being looked after by people with some sort of cop on at the very f**king least.
You clearly have no idea of the education system or those employed therein.
Quote from: Rudi on November 25, 2022, 01:43:46 PM
I have sympathy for her, named & shamed online for a stupid mistake. Nobody died or were injured. People are animals, creaming themselves at the thoughts of someone fu+kin up.
Brings me back to a bible quote "let he without sin cast the first stone" The reality is no more than Slane Girl or the girl from the north who ended up in jail for carrying drugs in south america, life goes on, people move on to the next big thing. Social media is severely toxic.
I hope she recovers & the rest of her life is good.
It's a very annoying and stupid trait among younger Irish people that they think they are "mighty craic".
If I was her parents, I would use this an an opportunity to really step up and take ownership of the mistake, because that's what it was
Public apology, meet with Arlene Foster, alcohol education etc
Is Foster going to apologise about attending the funeral of a mass murderer and eulogising him? Let's get things in perspective.
Quote from: red hander on November 25, 2022, 07:03:40 PM
Is Foster going to apologise about attending the funeral of a mass murderer and eulogising him? Let's get things in perspective.
Let's not get into going to funerals of people who were convicted of murder by elected representatives
We be on a hiding to nothing there.
Quote from: red hander on November 25, 2022, 07:03:40 PM
Is Foster going to apologise about attending the funeral of a mass murderer and eulogising him? Let's get things in perspective.
She's a public figure and is well able to account for her actions
This young lady is a private citizen who made a mistake
Quote from: whitey on November 25, 2022, 07:26:38 PM
Quote from: red hander on November 25, 2022, 07:03:40 PM
Is Foster going to apologise about attending the funeral of a mass murderer and eulogising him? Let's get things in perspective.
She's a public figure and is well able to account for her actions
This young lady is a private citizen who made a mistake
Not too worried about being a private citizen when uploading her video on social media
It's daft and unfortunately fair game
Trailer, I don't see the point naming the girl here, as done in a earlier post, anybody want to know her name, not hard to find.
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Is Foster going to apologise about attending the funeral of a mass murderer and eulogising him? Let's get things in perspective.
She's a public figure and is well able to account for her actions
This young lady is a private citizen who made a mistake
Not too worried about being a private citizen when uploading her video on social media
It's daft and unfortunately fair game
I completely agree, but I also agree with an earlier poster who said this shouldn't ruin her life
Step up-apologize and move on
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Quote from: red hander on November 25, 2022, 07:03:40 PM
Is Foster going to apologise about attending the funeral of a mass murderer and eulogising him? Let's get things in perspective.
Let's not get into going to funerals of people who were convicted of murder by elected representatives
He wasn't convicted. But every f**ker knew, including that bitch.
And we're supposed to think she deserves an apology? What about an apology from her to Fraser's victims? She's never said a word about it.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 25, 2022, 07:37:52 PM
Trailer, I don't see the point naming the girl here, as done in a earlier post, anybody want to know her name, not hard to find.
The 'other side' were quick to name her boyfriend on social media too.
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Quote from: red hander on November 25, 2022, 07:03:40 PM
Is Foster going to apologise about attending the funeral of a mass murderer and eulogising him? Let's get things in perspective.
She's a public figure and is well able to account for her actions
This young lady is a private citizen who made a mistake
Not too worried about being a private citizen when uploading her video on social media
It's daft and unfortunately fair game
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Why is it 'unfortunately fair game'? You are either a horiible bigot or you are not? You can't have it both ways.
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Quote from: red hander on November 25, 2022, 07:03:40 PM
Is Foster going to apologise about attending the funeral of a mass murderer and eulogising him? Let's get things in perspective.
She's a public figure and is well able to account for her actions
This young lady is a private citizen who made a mistake
Not too worried about being a private citizen when uploading her video on social media
It's daft and unfortunately fair game
[/quote.
Why is it 'unfortunately fair game'? You are either a horiible bigot or you are not? You can't have it both ways.
I'm not sure there's strong evidence that this girl is a bigot. Let alone a horrible one.
P.s I don't know who fcuked up the quoting but I couldn't get out of it.
Fairly sure, antagonistically chanting about an organisatin who carried out murder attempts on your father and bus driver, would qualify you as such.
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Is Foster going to apologise about attending the funeral of a mass murderer and eulogising him? Let's get things in perspective.
She's a public figure and is well able to account for her actions
This young lady is a private citizen who made a mistake
Not too worried about being a private citizen when uploading her video on social media
It's daft and unfortunately fair game
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Why is it 'unfortunately fair game'? You are either a horiible bigot or you are not? You can't have it both ways.
It's unfortunate for her, I didn't say she wasn't a bigot or horrible. Social media will hang her out to dry, she has to live with her actions.
Plenty people have done a hell of a lot worse and managed to have murals or flute bands named after them. This is the strange world we live in. You can be a bigot and be made into a knight or a dame
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Quote from: red hander on November 25, 2022, 07:03:40 PM
Is Foster going to apologise about attending the funeral of a mass murderer and eulogising him? Let's get things in perspective.
She's a public figure and is well able to account for her actions
This young lady is a private citizen who made a mistake
Not too worried about being a private citizen when uploading her video on social media
It's daft and unfortunately fair game
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Why is it 'unfortunately fair game'? You are either a horiible bigot or you are not? You can't have it both ways.
It's unfortunate for her, I didn't say she wasn't a bigot or horrible. Social media will hang her out to dry, she has to live with her actions.
Plenty people have done a hell of a lot worse and managed to have murals or flute bands named after them. This is the strange world we live in. You can be a bigot and be made into a knight or a dame
Test...somebody deleted the [/quote] bit at the end of what they were quoting, hence the error in placement of the new comment.
The most worrying thing about all this is that we won't have to wait long for the next idiot to do something equally daft and then act shocked when it goes viral. I'll be honest with you it annoyed me because usually ussuns seem to have a higher moral ground on this sort of behaviour than themmuns.
Just to add a bit like the footballers it gives rags like beltel and newsletter material for countless shit articles for weeks
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Just to add a bit like the footballers it gives rags like beltel and newsletter material for countless shit articles for weeks
Twice on the front page of the Beal Feirste telegraph this week.
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Quote from: red hander on November 25, 2022, 07:03:40 PM
Is Foster going to apologise about attending the funeral of a mass murderer and eulogising him? Let's get things in perspective.
She's a public figure and is well able to account for her actions
This young lady is a private citizen who made a mistake
Not too worried about being a private citizen when uploading her video on social media
It's daft and unfortunately fair game
[/quote.
Why is it 'unfortunately fair game'? You are either a horiible bigot or you are not? You can't have it both ways.
I'm not sure there's strong evidence that this girl is a bigot. Let alone a horrible one.
P.s I don't know who fcuked up the quoting but I couldn't get out of it.
The facts are that as a child an attempt was made to murder her father and as an adolescent her school bus was bombed. Both by the same organisation. To taunt her with a song glorying in that organisation is truly awful.
I am no fan of Foster and have nothing positive to say about he politics but it would be incredible if anybody here could not see the wrong in what this girl as done.
If someone taunted a victim of the actions of Loyalist paramilitaries or the Parachute Regiment then surely we could all see the wrong in that. I don't think there would be too many explaining how that wasn't bigoted.
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Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on November 26, 2022, 09:01:30 AM
Just to add a bit like the footballers it gives rags like beltel and newsletter material for countless shit articles for weeks
Twice on the front page of the Beal Feirste telegraph this week.
Yes they should stop reporting news.
The girl made a mistake, it has gone viral, the local press are in full pile on mode with not a damn given to the impact on the girl's mental health, wellbeing or future. She made a mistake, show me the person who hasn't. No one died in what she did, but she is now being exploited for political point scoring and bigoted agendas ... just the same as the soccer team were. Move on.
Quote from: balladmaker on November 29, 2022, 05:09:02 PM
The girl made a mistake, it has gone viral, the local press are in full pile on mode with not a damn given to the impact on the girl's mental health, wellbeing or future. She made a mistake, show me the person who hasn't. No one died in what she did, but she is now being exploited for political point scoring and bigoted agendas ... just the same as the soccer team were. Move on.
Woman not girl. Take her oil
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Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on November 26, 2022, 09:01:30 AM
Just to add a bit like the footballers it gives rags like beltel and newsletter material for countless shit articles for weeks
Twice on the front page of the Beal Feirste telegraph this week.
Yes they should stop reporting news.
Is this news? A girl acted a complete bellend. Couldn't defend her actions. But is it really newsworthy for such a sustained period of time? No f**king way. And that's not defending her actions.
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Quote from: balladmaker on November 29, 2022, 05:09:02 PM
The girl made a mistake, it has gone viral, the local press are in full pile on mode with not a damn given to the impact on the girl's mental health, wellbeing or future. She made a mistake, show me the person who hasn't. No one died in what she did, but she is now being exploited for political point scoring and bigoted agendas ... just the same as the soccer team were. Move on.
Woman not girl. Take her oil
Do you have kids, what if one of them was in that position, and in this day and age it can easily happen given snapchat, TikTok and whatever else there is, or maybe you're holier than thou ... would you be saying the same, take her oil? wise up. This story just isn't newsworthy to this extent, or anywhere near it. It's being used for a different agenda, and the girl, woman, lady, whatever you want to reference her as, is having her future destroyed as a result.
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Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on November 26, 2022, 09:01:30 AM
Just to add a bit like the footballers it gives rags like beltel and newsletter material for countless shit articles for weeks
Twice on the front page of the Beal Feirste telegraph this week.
Yes they should stop reporting news.
Is this news? A girl acted a complete bellend. Couldn't defend her actions. But is it really newsworthy for such a sustained period of time? No f**king way. And that's not defending her actions.
Agreed. She did something nasty but the pile on is OTT
Speaking as the father of teenagers, they have been warned (repeatedly) that anything they post could (and will) follow them for the rest of their lives.
She's a clown of the highest order but doesn't deserve to have her life ruined over this
Has she apologized?
(Because if she hasn't, this isn't going away)
If she had taken a selfie with Enda Kenny and shouted "up Fianna Fáil" it would have been mildly amusing for about 30 seconds and then forgotten about.
Quote from: balladmaker on November 29, 2022, 05:17:05 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 29, 2022, 05:13:38 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on November 29, 2022, 05:09:02 PM
The girl made a mistake, it has gone viral, the local press are in full pile on mode with not a damn given to the impact on the girl's mental health, wellbeing or future. She made a mistake, show me the person who hasn't. No one died in what she did, but she is now being exploited for political point scoring and bigoted agendas ... just the same as the soccer team were. Move on.
Woman not girl. Take her oil
Do you have kids, what if one of them was in that position, and in this day and age it can easily happen given snapchat, TikTok and whatever else there is, or maybe you're holier than thou ... would you be saying the same, take her oil? wise up. This story just isn't newsworthy to this extent, or anywhere near it. It's being used for a different agenda, and the girl, woman, lady, whatever you want to reference her as, is having her future destroyed as a result.
Yes i do and they were properly reared. Not a sectarian or political bone in their bodies and if they did I'd hope they grew out of it by the time they were 32 ffs. I'd my family reared at that age.
Unfortunate somebody had to take the hit so others could get with the programme and as you say "wise up"
Quote from: Rossfan on November 29, 2022, 05:35:53 PM
If she had taken a selfie with Enda Kenny and shouted "up Fianna Fáil" it would have been mildly amusing for about 30 seconds and then forgotten about.
Indeed. But then the 2 incidents are not remotely similar.
Unless there has been a massive cover up of the time FF tried to bomb the Islandeady school bus and the time they tried kill Inda's aul boy
There predecessors possibly did in the Civil War
Quote from: Rossfan on November 29, 2022, 08:46:08 PM
There predecessors possibly did in the Civil War
And should that be celebrated?
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Quote from: Rossfan on November 29, 2022, 08:46:08 PM
There predecessors possibly did in the Civil War
And should that be celebrated?
Yeah they should have a public holiday for it like King Billy killing several thousand people at the Boyne.
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Quote from: Orior on November 26, 2022, 03:16:33 PM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on November 26, 2022, 09:01:30 AM
Just to add a bit like the footballers it gives rags like beltel and newsletter material for countless shit articles for weeks
Twice on the front page of the Beal Feirste telegraph this week.
Yes they should stop reporting news.
Is this news? A girl acted a complete bellend. Couldn't defend her actions. But is it really newsworthy for such a sustained period of time? No f**king way. And that's not defending her actions.
Agreed. She did something nasty but the pile on is OTT
Offense outrage syndrome, politically manipulated to justify demonising 'themmuns' who collectively are up to no good unless they accept that they were wrong and we were the moral guardians of all that is/was good in Northern Ireland since 1921.
Huge popularity for the Wolfetones now and in no small part/thanks to the outrage and hyperbole by the national media about the one line lyric in their 1989 Celtic Symphony song.
(https://i2-prod.irishmirror.ie/incoming/article30855589.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/0_EP23-Aerial-Stills-71.jpg)
https://twitter.com/wolfetones/status/1698480736372662310
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 04, 2023, 09:47:32 PM
Huge popularity for the Wolfetones now and in no small part/thanks to the outrage and hyperbole by the national media about the one line lyric in their 1989 Celtic Symphony song.
(https://i2-prod.irishmirror.ie/incoming/article30855589.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/0_EP23-Aerial-Stills-71.jpg)
https://twitter.com/wolfetones/status/1698480736372662310
I think its hilarious, you cant help but think back to the Famous Father Ted Episode where they protest outside the cinema. The satire in that is way above the heads of fools like Joe Duffy and his ilk.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 04, 2023, 09:47:32 PM
Huge popularity for the Wolfetones now and in no small part/thanks to the outrage and hyperbole by the national media about the one line lyric in their 1989 Celtic Symphony song.
(https://i2-prod.irishmirror.ie/incoming/article30855589.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/0_EP23-Aerial-Stills-71.jpg)
https://twitter.com/wolfetones/status/1698480736372662310
For people who have suffered at the hands of IRA violence they find it offensive. Surely you can see that? If that was a huge tent in East Belfast and everyone singing up to their knees in Fenian blood would you be offended?
I keep saying it, people want a United Ireland but these people don't want to have to do any of the work to achieve it.
Quote from: trailer on September 05, 2023, 08:52:02 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 04, 2023, 09:47:32 PM
Huge popularity for the Wolfetones now and in no small part/thanks to the outrage and hyperbole by the national media about the one line lyric in their 1989 Celtic Symphony song.
(https://i2-prod.irishmirror.ie/incoming/article30855589.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/0_EP23-Aerial-Stills-71.jpg)
https://twitter.com/wolfetones/status/1698480736372662310
For people who have suffered at the hands of IRA violence they find it offensive. Surely you can see that? If that was a huge tent in East Belfast and everyone singing up to their knees in Fenian blood would you be offended?
I keep saying it, people want a United Ireland but these people don't want to have to do any of the work to achieve it.
The troubles were brutal. Celebrating the IRA is wrong when so much pain has not been worked on. There are other ways for people to make their point.
Quote from: seafoid on September 05, 2023, 09:00:51 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 05, 2023, 08:52:02 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 04, 2023, 09:47:32 PM
Huge popularity for the Wolfetones now and in no small part/thanks to the outrage and hyperbole by the national media about the one line lyric in their 1989 Celtic Symphony song.
(https://i2-prod.irishmirror.ie/incoming/article30855589.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/0_EP23-Aerial-Stills-71.jpg)
https://twitter.com/wolfetones/status/1698480736372662310
For people who have suffered at the hands of IRA violence they find it offensive. Surely you can see that? If that was a huge tent in East Belfast and everyone singing up to their knees in Fenian blood would you be offended?
I keep saying it, people want a United Ireland but these people don't want to have to do any of the work to achieve it.
The troubles were brutal. Celebrating the IRA is wrong when so much pain has not been worked on. There are other ways for people to make their point.
Wrong to celebrate rebels of The Easter Rising and the Tan War too then?
Quote from: seafoid on September 05, 2023, 09:00:51 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 05, 2023, 08:52:02 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 04, 2023, 09:47:32 PM
Huge popularity for the Wolfetones now and in no small part/thanks to the outrage and hyperbole by the national media about the one line lyric in their 1989 Celtic Symphony song.
(https://i2-prod.irishmirror.ie/incoming/article30855589.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/0_EP23-Aerial-Stills-71.jpg)
https://twitter.com/wolfetones/status/1698480736372662310
For people who have suffered at the hands of IRA violence they find it offensive. Surely you can see that? If that was a huge tent in East Belfast and everyone singing up to their knees in Fenian blood would you be offended?
I keep saying it, people want a United Ireland but these people don't want to have to do any of the work to achieve it.
The troubles were brutal. Celebrating the IRA is wrong when so much pain has not been worked on. There are other ways for people to make their point.
This song is in no way about the IRA, the song is about Celtic, the section of the song talking about the IRA is a man recalling the graffiti he sees on the wall.
The IRA done some terrible terrible things, but they were the only people standing up for the second class catholic citizens up here during them days and if it was not for them many many more Catholics would have been killed.
Don't forgot how the troubles started, a civil rights campaign. But sure you southerns wouldn't know that anyway...
Quote from: Snapchap on September 05, 2023, 09:52:54 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 05, 2023, 09:00:51 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 05, 2023, 08:52:02 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 04, 2023, 09:47:32 PM
Huge popularity for the Wolfetones now and in no small part/thanks to the outrage and hyperbole by the national media about the one line lyric in their 1989 Celtic Symphony song.
(https://i2-prod.irishmirror.ie/incoming/article30855589.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/0_EP23-Aerial-Stills-71.jpg)
https://twitter.com/wolfetones/status/1698480736372662310
For people who have suffered at the hands of IRA violence they find it offensive. Surely you can see that? If that was a huge tent in East Belfast and everyone singing up to their knees in Fenian blood would you be offended?
I keep saying it, people want a United Ireland but these people don't want to have to do any of the work to achieve it.
The troubles were brutal. Celebrating the IRA is wrong when so much pain has not been worked on. There are other ways for people to make their point.
Wrong to celebrate rebels of The Easter Rising and the Tan War too then?
May as well scrap the national anthem as well then . Replace it with 'Where's me jumper?' . Although the references to Karl Marx and the anarchist party might be an issue
Quote from: Snapchap on September 05, 2023, 09:52:54 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 05, 2023, 09:00:51 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 05, 2023, 08:52:02 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 04, 2023, 09:47:32 PM
Huge popularity for the Wolfetones now and in no small part/thanks to the outrage and hyperbole by the national media about the one line lyric in their 1989 Celtic Symphony song.
(https://i2-prod.irishmirror.ie/incoming/article30855589.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/0_EP23-Aerial-Stills-71.jpg)
https://twitter.com/wolfetones/status/1698480736372662310
When is the last time the Tan war was celebrated in public by 20,000 people in the midlands? Just give me the year .
For people who have suffered at the hands of IRA violence they find it offensive. Surely you can see that? If that was a huge tent in East Belfast and everyone singing up to their knees in Fenian blood would you be offended?
I keep saying it, people want a United Ireland but these people don't want to have to do any of the work to achieve it.
The troubles were brutal. Celebrating the IRA is wrong when so much pain has not been worked on. There are other ways for people to make their point.
Wrong to celebrate rebels of The Easter Rising and the Tan War too then?
Quote from: seafoid on September 05, 2023, 10:47:53 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on September 05, 2023, 09:52:54 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 05, 2023, 09:00:51 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 05, 2023, 08:52:02 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 04, 2023, 09:47:32 PM
Huge popularity for the Wolfetones now and in no small part/thanks to the outrage and hyperbole by the national media about the one line lyric in their 1989 Celtic Symphony song.
(https://i2-prod.irishmirror.ie/incoming/article30855589.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/0_EP23-Aerial-Stills-71.jpg)
https://twitter.com/wolfetones/status/1698480736372662310
When is the last time the Tan war was celebrated in public by 20,000 people in the midlands? Just give me the year .
For people who have suffered at the hands of IRA violence they find it offensive. Surely you can see that? If that was a huge tent in East Belfast and everyone singing up to their knees in Fenian blood would you be offended?
I keep saying it, people want a United Ireland but these people don't want to have to do any of the work to achieve it.
The troubles were brutal. Celebrating the IRA is wrong when so much pain has not been worked on. There are other ways for people to make their point.
Wrong to celebrate rebels of The Easter Rising and the Tan War too then?
2023 by them exact 20k people as come out you black and tans is included on the wolfe tones set list. ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: trailer on September 05, 2023, 08:52:02 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 04, 2023, 09:47:32 PM
Huge popularity for the Wolfetones now and in no small part/thanks to the outrage and hyperbole by the national media about the one line lyric in their 1989 Celtic Symphony song.
(https://i2-prod.irishmirror.ie/incoming/article30855589.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/0_EP23-Aerial-Stills-71.jpg)
https://twitter.com/wolfetones/status/1698480736372662310
For people who have suffered at the hands of IRA violence they find it offensive. Surely you can see that? If that was a huge tent in East Belfast and everyone singing up to their knees in Fenian blood would you be offended?
I keep saying it, people want a United Ireland but these people don't want to have to do any of the work to achieve it.
Its a fair enough point in general about being offended (though this particular song is not specifically an IRA song).
What I would say though about a United Ireland....it will never be united if we can't respect each other's perspective and narrative on the troubles. It's ok to be offended, we just need to be mature enough to respect another view point and what happened here.
It doesn't help anyone if some part of a community can't express their support for parties they see/saw as their protectors or who were fighting on their behalf. Not talking about it, or not being able to express support for what went on then will make people feel ostracised and could result in more resentment and ultimately more violence.
If we go down the road of not allowing people to express support for the paramilitaries pre-good friday agreement, where does it stop?
We would seriously need to apply the same logic to support for the British Army, remembrance sunday, the wearing of poppies, Easter rising commemorations and the Twelfth. That will never happen as it negates perceived legitimacy of those events or organisations in the past and today.
So when you say these people don't want to do the work to achieve it, do you mean they are not prepared to change their views on their experiences and perception of the troubles to appease the other side?
None of use should have to hide away our views in fear of offending someone else's sensitivities. A mature approach and acceptance of each other is the only real way forward in my view. I'm not sure we are ready for that. I'm not sure I am myself either tbh.
Quote from: InnocentByStander on September 05, 2023, 10:20:19 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 05, 2023, 09:00:51 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 05, 2023, 08:52:02 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 04, 2023, 09:47:32 PM
Huge popularity for the Wolfetones now and in no small part/thanks to the outrage and hyperbole by the national media about the one line lyric in their 1989 Celtic Symphony song.
(https://i2-prod.irishmirror.ie/incoming/article30855589.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/0_EP23-Aerial-Stills-71.jpg)
https://twitter.com/wolfetones/status/1698480736372662310
For people who have suffered at the hands of IRA violence they find it offensive. Surely you can see that? If that was a huge tent in East Belfast and everyone singing up to their knees in Fenian blood would you be offended?
I keep saying it, people want a United Ireland but these people don't want to have to do any of the work to achieve it.
The troubles were brutal. Celebrating the IRA is wrong when so much pain has not been worked on. There are other ways for people to make their point.
This song is in no way about the IRA, the song is about Celtic, the section of the song talking about the IRA is a man recalling the graffiti he sees on the wall.
The IRA done some terrible terrible things, but they were the only people standing up for the second class catholic citizens up here during them days and if it was not for them many many more Catholics would have been killed.
Don't forgot how the troubles started, a civil rights campaign. But sure you southerns wouldn't know that anyway...
Here we go... this bullshit again. The IRA killed more Catholics than any other organisation in the troubles.
Had to laugh at yer wan on Newstalk yesterday berating young people because they didn't see what she saw during the troubles...on the TV.
Quote from: tbrick18 on September 05, 2023, 11:07:17 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 05, 2023, 08:52:02 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 04, 2023, 09:47:32 PM
Huge popularity for the Wolfetones now and in no small part/thanks to the outrage and hyperbole by the national media about the one line lyric in their 1989 Celtic Symphony song.
(https://i2-prod.irishmirror.ie/incoming/article30855589.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/0_EP23-Aerial-Stills-71.jpg)
https://twitter.com/wolfetones/status/1698480736372662310
For people who have suffered at the hands of IRA violence they find it offensive. Surely you can see that? If that was a huge tent in East Belfast and everyone singing up to their knees in Fenian blood would you be offended?
I keep saying it, people want a United Ireland but these people don't want to have to do any of the work to achieve it.
Its a fair enough point in general about being offended (though this particular song is not specifically an IRA song).
What I would say though about a United Ireland....it will never be united if we can't respect each other's perspective and narrative on the troubles. It's ok to be offended, we just need to be mature enough to respect another view point and what happened here.
It doesn't help anyone if some part of a community can't express their support for parties they see/saw as their protectors or who were fighting on their behalf. Not talking about it, or not being able to express support for what went on then will make people feel ostracised and could result in more resentment and ultimately more violence.
If we go down the road of not allowing people to express support for the paramilitaries pre-good friday agreement, where does it stop?
We would seriously need to apply the same logic to support for the British Army, remembrance sunday, the wearing of poppies, Easter rising commemorations and the Twelfth. That will never happen as it negates perceived legitimacy of those events or organisations in the past and today.
So when you say these people don't want to do the work to achieve it, do you mean they are not prepared to change their views on their experiences and perception of the troubles to appease the other side?
None of use should have to hide away our views in fear of offending someone else's sensitivities. A mature approach and acceptance of each other is the only real way forward in my view. I'm not sure we are ready for that. I'm not sure I am myself either tbh.
All fair points. But we are looking for roughly 1m ppl to join us in a UI. Surely we could keep a lid on this in order to make them feel welcome or wanted.
If I was in the Republic lets say and Unionists were campaigning to say re-join the Union or commonwealth and then on the other hand singing what is to me offensive songs and demonstrating very little in the way of goodwill or welcoming nature, I'd be well within my rights to tell them to go and f**k themselves.
We can argue about the meaning of the song (I personally haven't actually listened to it in years and always thought it was one of their worst songs) but the perception is (rightly or wrongly) an IRA song. That's the perception in the Unionist community and that is all that matters at the end of the day. Nevermind the vocal Jim Allisters and his ilk, this hits with everyday protestant and unionists who we need to convince and bring with us. If consigning this song and others to the bin is the price we must pay then so be it.
Quote from: trailer on September 05, 2023, 11:12:49 AM
Quote from: InnocentByStander on September 05, 2023, 10:20:19 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 05, 2023, 09:00:51 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 05, 2023, 08:52:02 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 04, 2023, 09:47:32 PM
Huge popularity for the Wolfetones now and in no small part/thanks to the outrage and hyperbole by the national media about the one line lyric in their 1989 Celtic Symphony song.
(https://i2-prod.irishmirror.ie/incoming/article30855589.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/0_EP23-Aerial-Stills-71.jpg)
https://twitter.com/wolfetones/status/1698480736372662310
For people who have suffered at the hands of IRA violence they find it offensive. Surely you can see that? If that was a huge tent in East Belfast and everyone singing up to their knees in Fenian blood would you be offended?
I keep saying it, people want a United Ireland but these people don't want to have to do any of the work to achieve it.
The troubles were brutal. Celebrating the IRA is wrong when so much pain has not been worked on. There are other ways for people to make their point.
This song is in no way about the IRA, the song is about Celtic, the section of the song talking about the IRA is a man recalling the graffiti he sees on the wall.
The IRA done some terrible terrible things, but they were the only people standing up for the second class catholic citizens up here during them days and if it was not for them many many more Catholics would have been killed.
Don't forgot how the troubles started, a civil rights campaign. But sure you southerns wouldn't know that anyway...
Here we go... this bullshit again. The IRA killed more Catholics than any other organisation in the troubles.
What bullshit? stating they done terrible things which they did and in both sides of the divide.
If it was not for them god knows how catholics would be treated in the North today.
Quote from: AustinPowers on September 05, 2023, 10:45:54 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on September 05, 2023, 09:52:54 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 05, 2023, 09:00:51 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 05, 2023, 08:52:02 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 04, 2023, 09:47:32 PM
Huge popularity for the Wolfetones now and in no small part/thanks to the outrage and hyperbole by the national media about the one line lyric in their 1989 Celtic Symphony song.
(https://i2-prod.irishmirror.ie/incoming/article30855589.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/0_EP23-Aerial-Stills-71.jpg)
https://twitter.com/wolfetones/status/1698480736372662310
For people who have suffered at the hands of IRA violence they find it offensive. Surely you can see that? If that was a huge tent in East Belfast and everyone singing up to their knees in Fenian blood would you be offended?
I keep saying it, people want a United Ireland but these people don't want to have to do any of the work to achieve it.
The troubles were brutal. Celebrating the IRA is wrong when so much pain has not been worked on. There are other ways for people to make their point.
Wrong to celebrate rebels of The Easter Rising and the Tan War too then?
May as well scrap the national anthem as well then . Replace it with 'Where's me jumper?' . Although the references to Karl Marx and the anarchist party might be an issue
The Tan file is closed. the Troubles file isn't. If you sing up the Ra or up to your knees in Fenian blood it will trigger a reaction . It's not complicated.
Quote from: InnocentByStander on September 05, 2023, 11:33:08 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 05, 2023, 11:12:49 AM
Quote from: InnocentByStander on September 05, 2023, 10:20:19 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 05, 2023, 09:00:51 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 05, 2023, 08:52:02 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 04, 2023, 09:47:32 PM
Huge popularity for the Wolfetones now and in no small part/thanks to the outrage and hyperbole by the national media about the one line lyric in their 1989 Celtic Symphony song.
(https://i2-prod.irishmirror.ie/incoming/article30855589.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/0_EP23-Aerial-Stills-71.jpg)
https://twitter.com/wolfetones/status/1698480736372662310
For people who have suffered at the hands of IRA violence they find it offensive. Surely you can see that? If that was a huge tent in East Belfast and everyone singing up to their knees in Fenian blood would you be offended?
I keep saying it, people want a United Ireland but these people don't want to have to do any of the work to achieve it.
The troubles were brutal. Celebrating the IRA is wrong when so much pain has not been worked on. There are other ways for people to make their point.
This song is in no way about the IRA, the song is about Celtic, the section of the song talking about the IRA is a man recalling the graffiti he sees on the wall.
The IRA done some terrible terrible things, but they were the only people standing up for the second class catholic citizens up here during them days and if it was not for them many many more Catholics would have been killed.
Don't forgot how the troubles started, a civil rights campaign. But sure you southerns wouldn't know that anyway...
Here we go... this bullshit again. The IRA killed more Catholics than any other organisation in the troubles.
What bullshit? stating they done terrible things which they did and in both sides of the divide.
If it was not for them god knows how catholics would be treated in the North today.
They were the ONLY people who stood up for Catholics.
It is complete nonsense and to remind you the IRA killed more Catholics than any other organisation.
https://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users/ireland/past/troubles/troubles_stats.html (https://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users/ireland/past/troubles/troubles_stats.html)
Quote from: trailer on September 05, 2023, 11:56:07 AM
Quote from: InnocentByStander on September 05, 2023, 11:33:08 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 05, 2023, 11:12:49 AM
Quote from: InnocentByStander on September 05, 2023, 10:20:19 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 05, 2023, 09:00:51 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 05, 2023, 08:52:02 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 04, 2023, 09:47:32 PM
Huge popularity for the Wolfetones now and in no small part/thanks to the outrage and hyperbole by the national media about the one line lyric in their 1989 Celtic Symphony song.
(https://i2-prod.irishmirror.ie/incoming/article30855589.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/0_EP23-Aerial-Stills-71.jpg)
https://twitter.com/wolfetones/status/1698480736372662310
For people who have suffered at the hands of IRA violence they find it offensive. Surely you can see that? If that was a huge tent in East Belfast and everyone singing up to their knees in Fenian blood would you be offended?
I keep saying it, people want a United Ireland but these people don't want to have to do any of the work to achieve it.
The troubles were brutal. Celebrating the IRA is wrong when so much pain has not been worked on. There are other ways for people to make their point.
This song is in no way about the IRA, the song is about Celtic, the section of the song talking about the IRA is a man recalling the graffiti he sees on the wall.
The IRA done some terrible terrible things, but they were the only people standing up for the second class catholic citizens up here during them days and if it was not for them many many more Catholics would have been killed.
Don't forgot how the troubles started, a civil rights campaign. But sure you southerns wouldn't know that anyway...
Here we go... this bullshit again. The IRA killed more Catholics than any other organisation in the troubles.
What bullshit? stating they done terrible things which they did and in both sides of the divide.
If it was not for them god knows how catholics would be treated in the North today.
They were the ONLY people who stood up for Catholics.
It is complete nonsense and to remind you the IRA killed more Catholics than any other organisation.
https://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users/ireland/past/troubles/troubles_stats.html (https://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users/ireland/past/troubles/troubles_stats.html)
I mean they were horrible people but in many areas people looked to them as their only hope.
Back to the original point about the post, its not an IRA song yes I can understand why people be offended and yes there is still a lot of work to be done for a united Ireland which i think one side is willing to do but another is not.
No hazard to guess whihc side do not want to put the work in.
Quote from: seafoid on September 05, 2023, 11:41:11 AM
Quote from: AustinPowers on September 05, 2023, 10:45:54 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on September 05, 2023, 09:52:54 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 05, 2023, 09:00:51 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 05, 2023, 08:52:02 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 04, 2023, 09:47:32 PM
Huge popularity for the Wolfetones now and in no small part/thanks to the outrage and hyperbole by the national media about the one line lyric in their 1989 Celtic Symphony song.
(https://i2-prod.irishmirror.ie/incoming/article30855589.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/0_EP23-Aerial-Stills-71.jpg)
https://twitter.com/wolfetones/status/1698480736372662310
For people who have suffered at the hands of IRA violence they find it offensive. Surely you can see that? If that was a huge tent in East Belfast and everyone singing up to their knees in Fenian blood would you be offended?
I keep saying it, people want a United Ireland but these people don't want to have to do any of the work to achieve it.
The troubles were brutal. Celebrating the IRA is wrong when so much pain has not been worked on. There are other ways for people to make their point.
Wrong to celebrate rebels of The Easter Rising and the Tan War too then?
May as well scrap the national anthem as well then . Replace it with 'Where's me jumper?' . Although the references to Karl Marx and the anarchist party might be an issue
The Tan file is closed. the Troubles file isn't. If you sing up the Ra or up to your knees in Fenian blood it will trigger a reaction . It's not complicated.
Says who, you is it as the authority on these things?
For what its worth I am not a fan of the wolfe tones nor the idea of singing songs about conflict. I once did it myself like many of us but now I don't really see it as helpful. Saying that I would say 99% of Wolfe Tone songs that I recall are about the old IRA which your FF, FG etc parties and general population commemorate every year - rightly so. The sheer hypocrisy of the same peoples outrage about the wolfe tones I find hilarious.
The real story here is that the establishment is shitting itself that young people cannot be controlled to their way of thinking, that a party (Sinn Fein) is winning the vote of young people at a higher rate than the FF/FG establishment parties are, that they can see poll results today are only the start of a bigger swing to Sinn Fein. This constant moaning about the wolfe tones is just another manifestation of desperation of establishment lackies. Newstalk with 2 muppets on a show blabbering about history being re-written yesterday and then they invited f**king Bertie Ahern on to make the same point, one of the biggest crooks the country ever seen. Much of the outrage in the south is from clowns that wouldnt know the difference between Belleek and Belarus. Its the last sting of a dying wasp. I for one am enjoying it.
Quote from: Itchy on September 05, 2023, 12:12:49 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 05, 2023, 11:41:11 AM
Quote from: AustinPowers on September 05, 2023, 10:45:54 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on September 05, 2023, 09:52:54 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 05, 2023, 09:00:51 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 05, 2023, 08:52:02 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 04, 2023, 09:47:32 PM
Huge popularity for the Wolfetones now and in no small part/thanks to the outrage and hyperbole by the national media about the one line lyric in their 1989 Celtic Symphony song.
(https://i2-prod.irishmirror.ie/incoming/article30855589.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/0_EP23-Aerial-Stills-71.jpg)
https://twitter.com/wolfetones/status/1698480736372662310
For people who have suffered at the hands of IRA violence they find it offensive. Surely you can see that? If that was a huge tent in East Belfast and everyone singing up to their knees in Fenian blood would you be offended?
I keep saying it, people want a United Ireland but these people don't want to have to do any of the work to achieve it.
The troubles were brutal. Celebrating the IRA is wrong when so much pain has not been worked on. There are other ways for people to make their point.
Wrong to celebrate rebels of The Easter Rising and the Tan War too then?
May as well scrap the national anthem as well then . Replace it with 'Where's me jumper?' . Although the references to Karl Marx and the anarchist party might be an issue
The Tan file is closed. the Troubles file isn't. If you sing up the Ra or up to your knees in Fenian blood it will trigger a reaction . It's not complicated.
Says who, you is it as the authority on these things?
For what its worth I am not a fan of the wolfe tones nor the idea of singing songs about conflict. I once did it myself like many of us but now I don't really see it as helpful. Saying that I would say 99% of Wolfe Tone songs that I recall are about the old IRA which your FF, FG etc parties and general population commemorate every year - rightly so. The sheer hypocrisy of the same peoples outrage about the wolfe tones I find hilarious.
The real story here is that the establishment is shitting itself that young people cannot be controlled to their way of thinking, that a party (Sinn Fein) is winning the vote of young people at a higher rate than the FF/FG establishment parties are, that they can see poll results today are only the start of a bigger swing to Sinn Fein. This constant moaning about the wolfe tones is just another manifestation of desperation of establishment lackies. Newstalk with 2 muppets on a show blabbering about history being re-written yesterday and then they invited f**king Bertie Ahern on to make the same point, one of the biggest crooks the country ever seen. Much of the outrage in the south is from clowns that wouldnt know the difference between Belleek and Belarus. Its the last sting of a dying wasp. I for one am enjoying it.
SF will have the same experience as Labour in Government. Labour's way or Frankfurt's way was the message. Frankfurt's way was the result.
Quote from: seafoid on September 05, 2023, 09:00:51 AM
When is the last time the Tan war was celebrated in public by 20,000 people in the midlands? Just give me the year .
How many turned up at a state event at Béal na Bláth last year at a commemoration for an IRA leader, organised by the state and broadcast to many more than 20,000 people? Those tuning in were doing so specifically to honour that IRA leader. Those at the Wolfe Tones were there specifically for a bellyful of drink and a sing song.
If I was a unionist facing into the inevitability of a united Ireland, I think I'd probably be a bit more uncomfortable with the fact that the state organises IRA commemorations and televises them live on the state broadcaster, than by a crowd at an electric picnic concert. So the claim from certain quarters in the south over the last 24 hours that they are just worried about "unionist concerns" don't sound all that genuine from what I can see. To me, it's just another exercise in the "Old IRA good, PIRA bad" revisionist nonsense.
(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/1024/branded_news/15A67/production/_126397688_collins1.jpg)
Quote from: seafoid on September 05, 2023, 09:00:51 AM
For people who have suffered at the hands of IRA violence they find it offensive. Surely you can see that? If that was a huge tent in East Belfast and everyone singing up to their knees in Fenian blood would you be offended?
I keep saying it, people want a United Ireland but these people don't want to have to do any of the work to achieve it.
What do you mean "if"? You maybe missed it (understandable, because I'd be fairly confident that Newstalk and the likes weren't able to take a break from their 'Wolfe Tones outrage' coverage to mention it, but there actually
was a huge march down the Shankill Rd at the weekend honouring UVF sectarian murderer Brian Robinson, and the crowds were singing along to bands playing the very song you mentioned. Do I find it distasteful? Of course it is. Am I grossly offended? I haven't given it a second thought. I'm more offended by the people who, typically, have had SO much to say about the Wole Tones, but precisely NOTHING to say about the Brian Robinson parade. Leaving aside the ridiculous idea that those singing at the WT gig at Electric Picnic are some sort of a parallel to those in Belfast singing about being up to their knees in the blood of Catholics, do you think that if loyalists stopped singing about being up to their knees in Fenian blood, that I'd suddenly become in favour of partition? Will unionists suddenly become pro-unity once the Wolfe Tones slide into retirement?
Quote from: seafoid on September 05, 2023, 12:24:33 PM
Quote from: Itchy on September 05, 2023, 12:12:49 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 05, 2023, 11:41:11 AM
Quote from: AustinPowers on September 05, 2023, 10:45:54 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on September 05, 2023, 09:52:54 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 05, 2023, 09:00:51 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 05, 2023, 08:52:02 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 04, 2023, 09:47:32 PM
Huge popularity for the Wolfetones now and in no small part/thanks to the outrage and hyperbole by the national media about the one line lyric in their 1989 Celtic Symphony song.
(https://i2-prod.irishmirror.ie/incoming/article30855589.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/0_EP23-Aerial-Stills-71.jpg)
https://twitter.com/wolfetones/status/1698480736372662310
For people who have suffered at the hands of IRA violence they find it offensive. Surely you can see that? If that was a huge tent in East Belfast and everyone singing up to their knees in Fenian blood would you be offended?
I keep saying it, people want a United Ireland but these people don't want to have to do any of the work to achieve it.
The troubles were brutal. Celebrating the IRA is wrong when so much pain has not been worked on. There are other ways for people to make their point.
Wrong to celebrate rebels of The Easter Rising and the Tan War too then?
May as well scrap the national anthem as well then . Replace it with 'Where's me jumper?' . Although the references to Karl Marx and the anarchist party might be an issue
The Tan file is closed. the Troubles file isn't. If you sing up the Ra or up to your knees in Fenian blood it will trigger a reaction . It's not complicated.
Says who, you is it as the authority on these things?
For what its worth I am not a fan of the wolfe tones nor the idea of singing songs about conflict. I once did it myself like many of us but now I don't really see it as helpful. Saying that I would say 99% of Wolfe Tone songs that I recall are about the old IRA which your FF, FG etc parties and general population commemorate every year - rightly so. The sheer hypocrisy of the same peoples outrage about the wolfe tones I find hilarious.
The real story here is that the establishment is shitting itself that young people cannot be controlled to their way of thinking, that a party (Sinn Fein) is winning the vote of young people at a higher rate than the FF/FG establishment parties are, that they can see poll results today are only the start of a bigger swing to Sinn Fein. This constant moaning about the wolfe tones is just another manifestation of desperation of establishment lackies. Newstalk with 2 muppets on a show blabbering about history being re-written yesterday and then they invited f**king Bertie Ahern on to make the same point, one of the biggest crooks the country ever seen. Much of the outrage in the south is from clowns that wouldnt know the difference between Belleek and Belarus. Its the last sting of a dying wasp. I for one am enjoying it.
SF will have the same experience as Labour in Government. Labour's way or Frankfurt's way was the message. Frankfurt's way was the result.
What's that silly soundbite got to do with what I wrote above?
Quote from: Snapchap on September 05, 2023, 12:39:20 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 05, 2023, 09:00:51 AM
When is the last time the Tan war was celebrated in public by 20,000 people in the midlands? Just give me the year .
How many turned up at a state event at Béal na Bláth last year at a commemoration for an IRA leader, organised by the state and broadcast to many more than 20,000 people? Those tuning in were doing so specifically to honour that IRA leader. Those at the Wolfe Tones were there specifically for a bellyful of drink and a sing song.
If I was a unionist facing into the inevitability of a united Ireland, I think I'd probably be a bit more uncomfortable with the fact that the state organises IRA commemorations and televises them live on the state broadcaster, than by a crowd at an electric picnic concert. So the claim from certain quarters in the south over the last 24 hours that they are just worried about "unionist concerns" don't sound all that genuine from what I can see. To me, it's just another exercise in the "Old IRA good, PIRA bad" revisionist nonsense.
(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/1024/branded_news/15A67/production/_126397688_collins1.jpg)
Quote from: seafoid on September 05, 2023, 09:00:51 AM
For people who have suffered at the hands of IRA violence they find it offensive. Surely you can see that? If that was a huge tent in East Belfast and everyone singing up to their knees in Fenian blood would you be offended?
I keep saying it, people want a United Ireland but these people don't want to have to do any of the work to achieve it.
What do you mean "if"? You maybe missed it (understandable, because I'd be fairly confident that Newstalk and the likes weren't able to take a break from their 'Wolfe Tones outrage' coverage to mention it, but there actually was a huge march down the Shankill Rd at the weekend honouring UVF sectarian murderer Brian Robinson, and the crowds were singing along to bands playing the very song you mentioned. Do I find it distasteful? Of course it is. Am I grossly offended? I haven't given it a second thought. I'm more offended by the people who, typically, have had SO much to say about the Wole Tones, but precisely NOTHING to say about the Brian Robinson parade. Leaving aside the ridiculous idea that those singing at the WT gig at Electric Picnic are some sort of a parallel to those in Belfast singing about being up to their knees in the blood of Catholics, do you think that if loyalists stopped singing about being up to their knees in Fenian blood, that I'd suddenly become in favour of partition? Will unionists suddenly become pro-unity once the Wolfe Tones slide into retirement?
So True their sectarian hate fests never make the news, the same weekend the wolfe tones sung in Falls park the apprentice boys parade was a Derry, many vidoes floating around social media with sectarian songs being sung and a catholic shop owner was attacked for asking a man not to pee beside his shop. But no mention...
So the counter argument seems to be whatabout.
Quote from: Itchy on September 05, 2023, 12:43:02 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 05, 2023, 12:24:33 PM
Quote from: Itchy on September 05, 2023, 12:12:49 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 05, 2023, 11:41:11 AM
Quote from: AustinPowers on September 05, 2023, 10:45:54 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on September 05, 2023, 09:52:54 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 05, 2023, 09:00:51 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 05, 2023, 08:52:02 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 04, 2023, 09:47:32 PM
Huge popularity for the Wolfetones now and in no small part/thanks to the outrage and hyperbole by the national media about the one line lyric in their 1989 Celtic Symphony song.
(https://i2-prod.irishmirror.ie/incoming/article30855589.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/0_EP23-Aerial-Stills-71.jpg)
https://twitter.com/wolfetones/status/1698480736372662310
For people who have suffered at the hands of IRA violence they find it offensive. Surely you can see that? If that was a huge tent in East Belfast and everyone singing up to their knees in Fenian blood would you be offended?
I keep saying it, people want a United Ireland but these people don't want to have to do any of the work to achieve it.
The troubles were brutal. Celebrating the IRA is wrong when so much pain has not been worked on. There are other ways for people to make their point.
Wrong to celebrate rebels of The Easter Rising and the Tan War too then?
May as well scrap the national anthem as well then . Replace it with 'Where's me jumper?' . Although the references to Karl Marx and the anarchist party might be an issue
The Tan file is closed. the Troubles file isn't. If you sing up the Ra or up to your knees in Fenian blood it will trigger a reaction . It's not complicated.
Says who, you is it as the authority on these things?
For what its worth I am not a fan of the wolfe tones nor the idea of singing songs about conflict. I once did it myself like many of us but now I don't really see it as helpful. Saying that I would say 99% of Wolfe Tone songs that I recall are about the old IRA which your FF, FG etc parties and general population commemorate every year - rightly so. The sheer hypocrisy of the same peoples outrage about the wolfe tones I find hilarious.
The real story here is that the establishment is shitting itself that young people cannot be controlled to their way of thinking, that a party (Sinn Fein) is winning the vote of young people at a higher rate than the FF/FG establishment parties are, that they can see poll results today are only the start of a bigger swing to Sinn Fein. This constant moaning about the wolfe tones is just another manifestation of desperation of establishment lackies. Newstalk with 2 muppets on a show blabbering about history being re-written yesterday and then they invited f**king Bertie Ahern on to make the same point, one of the biggest crooks the country ever seen. Much of the outrage in the south is from clowns that wouldnt know the difference between Belleek and Belarus. Its the last sting of a dying wasp. I for one am enjoying it.
SF will have the same experience as Labour in Government. Labour's way or Frankfurt's way was the message. Frankfurt's way was the result.
What's that silly soundbite got to do with what I wrote above?
Power, Itchy. the Department of Finance. The Government can't influence much.
Why do so many Cavan people have to go to work in Dublin? There are bigger powers calling shots.
Quote from: trailer on September 05, 2023, 01:15:33 PM
So the counter argument seems to be whatabout.
"Whataboutery" is such a lazy 'get out' clause/phrase for people who don't want a mirror held up to hypocrisy.
Seafoid asked when the last time a crowd of thousands gathered in the south to commemorate the IRA. I simply answered him that it was just last year, and that it was actually organised by the government and broadcast on live TV. If the argument is really that unionists might be put off the idea of a united Ireland (as if their unionism is that weak) by young people singing along to the Wolfe Tones, then I hardly think it's unreasonable to suggest that maybe they'd be far more uneasy about the fact that the state itself commemorates the IRA routinely.
Quote from: Snapchap on September 05, 2023, 12:39:20 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 05, 2023, 09:00:51 AM
When is the last time the Tan war was celebrated in public by 20,000 people in the midlands? Just give me the year .
How many turned up at a state event at Béal na Bláth last year at a commemoration for an IRA leader, organised by the state and broadcast to many more than 20,000 people? Those tuning in were doing so specifically to honour that IRA leader. Those at the Wolfe Tones were there specifically for a bellyful of drink and a sing song.
If I was a unionist facing into the inevitability of a united Ireland, I think I'd probably be a bit more uncomfortable with the fact that the state organises IRA commemorations and televises them live on the state broadcaster, than by a crowd at an electric picnic concert. So the claim from certain quarters in the south over the last 24 hours that they are just worried about "unionist concerns" don't sound all that genuine from what I can see. To me, it's just another exercise in the "Old IRA good, PIRA bad" revisionist nonsense.
(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/1024/branded_news/15A67/production/_126397688_collins1.jpg)
Quote from: seafoid on September 05, 2023, 09:00:51 AM
For people who have suffered at the hands of IRA violence they find it offensive. Surely you can see that? If that was a huge tent in East Belfast and everyone singing up to their knees in Fenian blood would you be offended?
I keep saying it, people want a United Ireland but these people don't want to have to do any of the work to achieve it.
What do you mean "if"? You maybe missed it (understandable, because I'd be fairly confident that Newstalk and the likes weren't able to take a break from their 'Wolfe Tones outrage' coverage to mention it, but there actually was a huge march down the Shankill Rd at the weekend honouring UVF sectarian murderer Brian Robinson, and the crowds were singing along to bands playing the very song you mentioned. Do I find it distasteful? Of course it is. Am I grossly offended? I haven't given it a second thought. I'm more offended by the people who, typically, have had SO much to say about the Wole Tones, but precisely NOTHING to say about the Brian Robinson parade. Leaving aside the ridiculous idea that those singing at the WT gig at Electric Picnic are some sort of a parallel to those in Belfast singing about being up to their knees in the blood of Catholics, do you think that if loyalists stopped singing about being up to their knees in Fenian blood, that I'd suddenly become in favour of partition? Will unionists suddenly become pro-unity once the Wolfe Tones slide into retirement?
Collins founded the partionist State. He led a war against people who wanted the 32 counties with the aid of the Brits who sponsored armoured cars. He also shafted the nationalist population of the North. Béal na mBláth is not a good debating point for a Northern Shinner.
Why weren't Mary Lou and Pearse Óg in the tent for the singalong? Because they are not stupid. If they want to win, they can't f**k anything up.
Quote from: trailer on September 05, 2023, 01:15:33 PM
So the counter argument seems to be whatabout.
I don't think it is, it's more about parity in the outrage.
For 5-6 months of the year the nationalist population is subjected to unionist marching season. The main organisation behind which is the Orange Order, founded as an anti-catholic organisation. Many of the bands are named after loyalist terrorists. Many of the songs are much more graphic than the wolfe tones songs. All of this falls under the banner of a tradition and a culture of celebrating Protestant victory over Catholics 400 years ago.
Flying of flags representing loyalist paramilitary groups and British Army units that murdered innocent catholics on Bloody Sunday is the norm. Burning bonfires with effigies of nationalist politicians including those in irish government.
All of that is offensive to me.
So why, in a modern society where that is accepted by so many, should I not be allowed to express my thoughts on what went on here even if it does cause offence to those same people?
We can't/shouldn't have a society where it's ok for one side but not the other.
The options are ban all of it or ban none of it.
We can't ban it all because it will still happen in private and innevitably be published somewhere that it happened. Then "themuns" will be outraged.
The safer, mature approach is to accept. Leave each to their own in their beliefs without trying to impose your own opinion on others.
Then the mechanics of normal life will just work. Or at least they have a better chance of working in my opinion.
Quote from: Snapchap on September 05, 2023, 12:39:20 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 05, 2023, 09:00:51 AM
When is the last time the Tan war was celebrated in public by 20,000 people in the midlands? Just give me the year .
How many turned up at a state event at Béal na Bláth last year at a commemoration for an IRA leader, organised by the state and broadcast to many more than 20,000 people? Those tuning in were doing so specifically to honour that IRA leader. Those at the Wolfe Tones were there specifically for a bellyful of drink and a sing song.
If I was a unionist facing into the inevitability of a united Ireland, I think I'd probably be a bit more uncomfortable with the fact that the state organises IRA commemorations and televises them live on the state broadcaster, than by a crowd at an electric picnic concert. So the claim from certain quarters in the south over the last 24 hours that they are just worried about "unionist concerns" don't sound all that genuine from what I can see. To me, it's just another exercise in the "Old IRA good, PIRA bad" revisionist nonsense.
(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/1024/branded_news/15A67/production/_126397688_collins1.jpg)
Quote from: seafoid on September 05, 2023, 09:00:51 AM
For people who have suffered at the hands of IRA violence they find it offensive. Surely you can see that? If that was a huge tent in East Belfast and everyone singing up to their knees in Fenian blood would you be offended?
I keep saying it, people want a United Ireland but these people don't want to have to do any of the work to achieve it.
What do you mean "if"? You maybe missed it (understandable, because I'd be fairly confident that Newstalk and the likes weren't able to take a break from their 'Wolfe Tones outrage' coverage to mention it, but there actually was a huge march down the Shankill Rd at the weekend honouring UVF sectarian murderer Brian Robinson, and the crowds were singing along to bands playing the very song you mentioned. Do I find it distasteful? Of course it is. Am I grossly offended? I haven't given it a second thought. I'm more offended by the people who, typically, have had SO much to say about the Wole Tones, but precisely NOTHING to say about the Brian Robinson parade. Leaving aside the ridiculous idea that those singing at the WT gig at Electric Picnic are some sort of a parallel to those in Belfast singing about being up to their knees in the blood of Catholics, do you think that if loyalists stopped singing about being up to their knees in Fenian blood, that I'd suddenly become in favour of partition? Will unionists suddenly become pro-unity once the Wolfe Tones slide into retirement?
Good post
Couldn't disagree with any of that
Quote from: seafoid on September 05, 2023, 01:42:58 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on September 05, 2023, 12:39:20 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 05, 2023, 09:00:51 AM
When is the last time the Tan war was celebrated in public by 20,000 people in the midlands? Just give me the year .
How many turned up at a state event at Béal na Bláth last year at a commemoration for an IRA leader, organised by the state and broadcast to many more than 20,000 people? Those tuning in were doing so specifically to honour that IRA leader. Those at the Wolfe Tones were there specifically for a bellyful of drink and a sing song.
If I was a unionist facing into the inevitability of a united Ireland, I think I'd probably be a bit more uncomfortable with the fact that the state organises IRA commemorations and televises them live on the state broadcaster, than by a crowd at an electric picnic concert. So the claim from certain quarters in the south over the last 24 hours that they are just worried about "unionist concerns" don't sound all that genuine from what I can see. To me, it's just another exercise in the "Old IRA good, PIRA bad" revisionist nonsense.
(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/1024/branded_news/15A67/production/_126397688_collins1.jpg)
Quote from: seafoid on September 05, 2023, 09:00:51 AM
For people who have suffered at the hands of IRA violence they find it offensive. Surely you can see that? If that was a huge tent in East Belfast and everyone singing up to their knees in Fenian blood would you be offended?
I keep saying it, people want a United Ireland but these people don't want to have to do any of the work to achieve it.
What do you mean "if"? You maybe missed it (understandable, because I'd be fairly confident that Newstalk and the likes weren't able to take a break from their 'Wolfe Tones outrage' coverage to mention it, but there actually was a huge march down the Shankill Rd at the weekend honouring UVF sectarian murderer Brian Robinson, and the crowds were singing along to bands playing the very song you mentioned. Do I find it distasteful? Of course it is. Am I grossly offended? I haven't given it a second thought. I'm more offended by the people who, typically, have had SO much to say about the Wole Tones, but precisely NOTHING to say about the Brian Robinson parade. Leaving aside the ridiculous idea that those singing at the WT gig at Electric Picnic are some sort of a parallel to those in Belfast singing about being up to their knees in the blood of Catholics, do you think that if loyalists stopped singing about being up to their knees in Fenian blood, that I'd suddenly become in favour of partition? Will unionists suddenly become pro-unity once the Wolfe Tones slide into retirement?
Collins founded the partionist State. He led a war against people who wanted the 32 counties with the aid of the Brits who sponsored armoured cars. He also shafted the nationalist population of the North. Béal na mBláth is not a good debating point for a Northern Shinner.
Why weren't Mary Lou and Pearse Óg in the tent for the singalong? Because they are not stupid. If they want to win, they can't f**k anything up.
Except the basis of your argument wasn't about the nuances of the Treaty. It was about a supposed concern for unionists sensitivities. Do you think unionists looked at the commemoration of Béal na mBláth and saw it as a celebration of partition? Come on now. They would have seen it for what it was: a commemoration of an IRA leader.
Did you condemn that event, out of concern for how unionists would/could perceive it and be put off the idea of a united Ireland by it? After all, is it not fair to say that a unionist might be more concerned about a potential united Ireland when they see that the state in the south organises IRA commemorations, than they would be about Wolfe Tones doing a set at Electric Picnic?
Quote from: seafoid on September 05, 2023, 01:37:27 PM
Quote from: Itchy on September 05, 2023, 12:43:02 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 05, 2023, 12:24:33 PM
Quote from: Itchy on September 05, 2023, 12:12:49 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 05, 2023, 11:41:11 AM
Quote from: AustinPowers on September 05, 2023, 10:45:54 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on September 05, 2023, 09:52:54 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 05, 2023, 09:00:51 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 05, 2023, 08:52:02 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 04, 2023, 09:47:32 PM
Huge popularity for the Wolfetones now and in no small part/thanks to the outrage and hyperbole by the national media about the one line lyric in their 1989 Celtic Symphony song.
(https://i2-prod.irishmirror.ie/incoming/article30855589.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/0_EP23-Aerial-Stills-71.jpg)
https://twitter.com/wolfetones/status/1698480736372662310
For people who have suffered at the hands of IRA violence they find it offensive. Surely you can see that? If that was a huge tent in East Belfast and everyone singing up to their knees in Fenian blood would you be offended?
I keep saying it, people want a United Ireland but these people don't want to have to do any of the work to achieve it.
The troubles were brutal. Celebrating the IRA is wrong when so much pain has not been worked on. There are other ways for people to make their point.
Wrong to celebrate rebels of The Easter Rising and the Tan War too then?
May as well scrap the national anthem as well then . Replace it with 'Where's me jumper?' . Although the references to Karl Marx and the anarchist party might be an issue
The Tan file is closed. the Troubles file isn't. If you sing up the Ra or up to your knees in Fenian blood it will trigger a reaction . It's not complicated.
Says who, you is it as the authority on these things?
For what its worth I am not a fan of the wolfe tones nor the idea of singing songs about conflict. I once did it myself like many of us but now I don't really see it as helpful. Saying that I would say 99% of Wolfe Tone songs that I recall are about the old IRA which your FF, FG etc parties and general population commemorate every year - rightly so. The sheer hypocrisy of the same peoples outrage about the wolfe tones I find hilarious.
The real story here is that the establishment is shitting itself that young people cannot be controlled to their way of thinking, that a party (Sinn Fein) is winning the vote of young people at a higher rate than the FF/FG establishment parties are, that they can see poll results today are only the start of a bigger swing to Sinn Fein. This constant moaning about the wolfe tones is just another manifestation of desperation of establishment lackies. Newstalk with 2 muppets on a show blabbering about history being re-written yesterday and then they invited f**king Bertie Ahern on to make the same point, one of the biggest crooks the country ever seen. Much of the outrage in the south is from clowns that wouldnt know the difference between Belleek and Belarus. Its the last sting of a dying wasp. I for one am enjoying it.
SF will have the same experience as Labour in Government. Labour's way or Frankfurt's way was the message. Frankfurt's way was the result.
What's that silly soundbite got to do with what I wrote above?
Power, Itchy. the Department of Finance. The Government can't influence much.
Why do so many Cavan people have to go to work in Dublin? There are bigger powers calling shots.
Yes all very interesting, but not the topic we are talking about here.
At the end of the day, the Irish, the British and Americans love military commemorations. All have militaristic national anthems and songs of defeating the enemy. There's other countries too but I'd say these 3 more than any. Something in the Celtic-Gael—Anglo mindset that loves this and that's where poppy facism comes from too, or don't you dare insult American troops fighting for freedom to a Yank. Fine Gael, Fianna Fáil and Sinn Fein all love their military commemorations, often for highly suspect individuals - but because they fought the good fight for Irish freedom, they are heroes. Most won't like to admit it but Ooh Ah Up the Ra is no different than English people singing Two World Wars and One World Cup or Loyalists singing No Surrender. We may not like the English and Loyalist jingoism but equally they don't like ours. On top of this you have a rightfully angry youth with the establishment and the old joke about Jesus being Irish because he was 33 and still living at home with his mother (and she thought he was God) is now actually true based on latest stats of young people living at home - except of course for a couple of days when they get to live in a tent at Electric Picnic. Add to this the rising anti-Emigrant feeling (and DUP fundamentalists like Wallace Thompson looking to a New White Christian Ireland) and we are all now on the one Road - to Irexit. All together now boys and girls - we're on the one road...
Quote from: weareros on September 05, 2023, 02:05:13 PM
At the end of the day, the Irish, the British and Americans love military commemorations. All have militaristic national anthems and songs of defeating the enemy. There's other countries too but I'd say these 3 more than any. Something in the Celtic-Gael—Anglo mindset that loves this and that's where poppy facism comes from too, or don't you dare insult American troops fighting for freedom to a Yank. Fine Gael, Fianna Fáil and Sinn Fein all love their military commemorations, often for highly suspect individuals - but because they fought the good fight for Irish freedom, they are heroes. Most won't like to admit it but Ooh Ah Up the Ra is no different than English people singing Two World Wars and One World Cup or Loyalists singing No Surrender. We may not like the English and Loyalist jingoism but equally they don't like ours. On top of this you have a rightfully angry youth with the establishment and the old joke about Jesus being Irish because he was 33 and still living at home with his mother (and she thought he was God) is now actually true based on latest stats of young people living at home - except of course for a couple of days when they get to live in a tent at Electric Picnic. Add to this the rising anti-Emigrant feeling (and DUP fundamentalists like Wallace Thompson looking to a New White Christian Ireland) and we are all now on the one Road - to Irexit. All together now boys and girls - we're on the one road...
I think the UK is much more militaristic. Even the North is compared to the South. Military spending is very low. The Navy only has enough staff to man or woman 2 ships. Soldiers at the bottom of the hierarchy don't get paid enough.
Quote from: weareros on September 05, 2023, 02:05:13 PM
At the end of the day, the Irish, the British and Americans love military commemorations. All have militaristic national anthems and songs of defeating the enemy. There's other countries too but I'd say these 3 more than any. Something in the Celtic-Gael—Anglo mindset that loves this and that's where poppy facism comes from too, or don't you dare insult American troops fighting for freedom to a Yank. Fine Gael, Fianna Fáil and Sinn Fein all love their military commemorations, often for highly suspect individuals - but because they fought the good fight for Irish freedom, they are heroes. Most won't like to admit it but Ooh Ah Up the Ra is no different than English people singing Two World Wars and One World Cup or Loyalists singing No Surrender. We may not like the English and Loyalist jingoism but equally they don't like ours. On top of this you have a rightfully angry youth with the establishment and the old joke about Jesus being Irish because he was 33 and still living at home with his mother (and she thought he was God) is now actually true based on latest stats of young people living at home - except of course for a couple of days when they get to live in a tent at Electric Picnic. Add to this the rising anti-Emigrant feeling (and DUP fundamentalists like Wallace Thompson looking to a New White Christian Ireland) and we are all now on the one Road - to Irexit. All together now boys and girls - we're on the one road...
Wise up. The Wolfe Tones/Celtic Symphony/rebel songs is essentially our version of protest music. Yeah it ain't gonna be everyone's cup of tea but the amount of hysteria over it, especially in Belfast, is ridiculous.
Meanwhile, thousands of Unionists can take part in a huge memorial parade dedicated to an actual sectarian killer and not one eyelid is batted by the media.
Quote from: seafoid on September 05, 2023, 02:28:51 PM
Quote from: weareros on September 05, 2023, 02:05:13 PM
At the end of the day, the Irish, the British and Americans love military commemorations. All have militaristic national anthems and songs of defeating the enemy. There's other countries too but I'd say these 3 more than any. Something in the Celtic-Gael—Anglo mindset that loves this and that's where poppy facism comes from too, or don't you dare insult American troops fighting for freedom to a Yank. Fine Gael, Fianna Fáil and Sinn Fein all love their military commemorations, often for highly suspect individuals - but because they fought the good fight for Irish freedom, they are heroes. Most won't like to admit it but Ooh Ah Up the Ra is no different than English people singing Two World Wars and One World Cup or Loyalists singing No Surrender. We may not like the English and Loyalist jingoism but equally they don't like ours. On top of this you have a rightfully angry youth with the establishment and the old joke about Jesus being Irish because he was 33 and still living at home with his mother (and she thought he was God) is now actually true based on latest stats of young people living at home - except of course for a couple of days when they get to live in a tent at Electric Picnic. Add to this the rising anti-Emigrant feeling (and DUP fundamentalists like Wallace Thompson looking to a New White Christian Ireland) and we are all now on the one Road - to Irexit. All together now boys and girls - we're on the one road...
I think the UK is much more militaristic. Even the North is compared to the South. Military spending is very low. The Navy only has enough staff to man or woman 2 ships. Soldiers at the bottom of the hierarchy don't get paid enough.
Agree on that. I didn't mean military might (which is a whole separate sickness in big nations), of which Ireland has none.
Quote from: general_lee on September 05, 2023, 02:36:40 PM
Quote from: weareros on September 05, 2023, 02:05:13 PM
At the end of the day, the Irish, the British and Americans love military commemorations. All have militaristic national anthems and songs of defeating the enemy. There's other countries too but I'd say these 3 more than any. Something in the Celtic-Gael—Anglo mindset that loves this and that's where poppy facism comes from too, or don't you dare insult American troops fighting for freedom to a Yank. Fine Gael, Fianna Fáil and Sinn Fein all love their military commemorations, often for highly suspect individuals - but because they fought the good fight for Irish freedom, they are heroes. Most won't like to admit it but Ooh Ah Up the Ra is no different than English people singing Two World Wars and One World Cup or Loyalists singing No Surrender. We may not like the English and Loyalist jingoism but equally they don't like ours. On top of this you have a rightfully angry youth with the establishment and the old joke about Jesus being Irish because he was 33 and still living at home with his mother (and she thought he was God) is now actually true based on latest stats of young people living at home - except of course for a couple of days when they get to live in a tent at Electric Picnic. Add to this the rising anti-Emigrant feeling (and DUP fundamentalists like Wallace Thompson looking to a New White Christian Ireland) and we are all now on the one Road - to Irexit. All together now boys and girls - we're on the one road...
Wise up. The Wolfe Tones/Celtic Symphony/rebel songs is essentially our version of protest music. Yeah it ain't gonna be everyone's cup of tea but the amount of hysteria over it, especially in Belfast, is ridiculous.
Meanwhile, thousands of Unionists can take part in a huge memorial parade dedicated to an actual sectarian killer and not one eyelid is batted by the media.
I wouldn't insult our great tradition of rebel, protest music with a riff ripped off without credit from black artists, written for Glasgow Celtic FC. And by the way, I hate Loyalist culture and the marching tradition celebrating terrorists, and battles where Irish people were slaughtered. I would ban all military celebrations in a United Ireland, including Irish ones. More Macnas parades, pagan festivals, literary, traditional music, etc, instead of this dour, hateful, nihilistic shite.
Quote from: weareros on September 05, 2023, 02:05:13 PM
At the end of the day, the Irish, the British and Americans love military commemorations. All have militaristic national anthems and songs of defeating the enemy. There's other countries too but I'd say these 3 more than any. Something in the Celtic-Gael—Anglo mindset that loves this and that's where poppy facism comes from too, or don't you dare insult American troops fighting for freedom to a Yank. Fine Gael, Fianna Fáil and Sinn Fein all love their military commemorations, often for highly suspect individuals - but because they fought the good fight for Irish freedom, they are heroes. Most won't like to admit it but Ooh Ah Up the Ra is no different than English people singing Two World Wars and One World Cup or Loyalists singing No Surrender. We may not like the English and Loyalist jingoism but equally they don't like ours. On top of this you have a rightfully angry youth with the establishment and the old joke about Jesus being Irish because he was 33 and still living at home with his mother (and she thought he was God) is now actually true based on latest stats of young people living at home - except of course for a couple of days when they get to live in a tent at Electric Picnic. Add to this the rising anti-Emigrant feeling (and DUP fundamentalists like Wallace Thompson looking to a New White Christian Ireland) and we are all now on the one Road - to Irexit. All together now boys and girls - we're on the one road...
Do you think Ireland is heading that direction? Is there justification for a referendum within the next few years?
Quote from: AustinPowers on September 05, 2023, 03:25:44 PM
Quote from: weareros on September 05, 2023, 02:05:13 PM
At the end of the day, the Irish, the British and Americans love military commemorations. All have militaristic national anthems and songs of defeating the enemy. There's other countries too but I'd say these 3 more than any. Something in the Celtic-Gael—Anglo mindset that loves this and that's where poppy facism comes from too, or don't you dare insult American troops fighting for freedom to a Yank. Fine Gael, Fianna Fáil and Sinn Fein all love their military commemorations, often for highly suspect individuals - but because they fought the good fight for Irish freedom, they are heroes. Most won't like to admit it but Ooh Ah Up the Ra is no different than English people singing Two World Wars and One World Cup or Loyalists singing No Surrender. We may not like the English and Loyalist jingoism but equally they don't like ours. On top of this you have a rightfully angry youth with the establishment and the old joke about Jesus being Irish because he was 33 and still living at home with his mother (and she thought he was God) is now actually true based on latest stats of young people living at home - except of course for a couple of days when they get to live in a tent at Electric Picnic. Add to this the rising anti-Emigrant feeling (and DUP fundamentalists like Wallace Thompson looking to a New White Christian Ireland) and we are all now on the one Road - to Irexit. All together now boys and girls - we're on the one road...
Do you think Ireland is heading that direction? Is there justification for a referendum within the next few years?
With support for the EU at ~80% and support for an Irexit ~10% (undecideds ~10%) I would severely doubt it, no matter what people say.
Only people actively talking about leaving the EU is the neo Nazi scum and various loony left extremists plus a few who have always been opposed to it like that Coughlam lad.
There is no demand for it, there will be no Referendum on it.
As regards the Tones..... godhelpus. Give me the Fleadh any day.
Of course if those selective condemnation clowns hadn't started kicking up over that song/chant most of us wouldn't be aware it exists at all.
EU wide support for leaving the bloc peaked with the Brexit vote but collapsed as Brexit became a liability. One of the arguments for Brexit was that it would weaken the EU.
Quote from: trailer on September 05, 2023, 08:52:02 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 04, 2023, 09:47:32 PM
Huge popularity for the Wolfetones now and in no small part/thanks to the outrage and hyperbole by the national media about the one line lyric in their 1989 Celtic Symphony song.
(https://i2-prod.irishmirror.ie/incoming/article30855589.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/0_EP23-Aerial-Stills-71.jpg)
https://twitter.com/wolfetones/status/1698480736372662310
For people who have suffered at the hands of IRA violence they find it offensive. Surely you can see that? If that was a huge tent in East Belfast and everyone singing up to their knees in Fenian blood would you be offended?
I keep saying it, people want a United Ireland but these people don't want to have to do any of the work to achieve it.
The point is what the Wolfetones popularity has grown out of. A band that was in semi retirement that might have grabbed 100 or so down at the local pub and now talk that they should headline Electric Picnic next year.
The hyperbole by media created this and you said that yourself on this thread.
Quote from: trailer on October 14, 2022, 02:50:46 PM
The reaction from media and politicians is ridiculous. Talk about a pile on. Carla Blackheart seems to be a cheerleader for this shite.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 05, 2023, 04:42:00 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 05, 2023, 08:52:02 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 04, 2023, 09:47:32 PM
Huge popularity for the Wolfetones now and in no small part/thanks to the outrage and hyperbole by the national media about the one line lyric in their 1989 Celtic Symphony song.
(https://i2-prod.irishmirror.ie/incoming/article30855589.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/0_EP23-Aerial-Stills-71.jpg)
https://twitter.com/wolfetones/status/1698480736372662310
For people who have suffered at the hands of IRA violence they find it offensive. Surely you can see that? If that was a huge tent in East Belfast and everyone singing up to their knees in Fenian blood would you be offended?
I keep saying it, people want a United Ireland but these people don't want to have to do any of the work to achieve it.
The point is what the Wolfetones popularity has grown out of. A band that was in semi retirement that might have grabbed 100 or so down at the local pub and now talk that they should headline Electric Picnic next year.
The hyperbole by media created this and you said that yourself on this thread.
Quote from: trailer on October 14, 2022, 02:50:46 PM
The reaction from media and politicians is ridiculous. Talk about a pile on. Carla Blackheart seems to be a cheerleader for this shite.
Slightly different context. In that it was the Irish Ladies soccer team. They made a poor error of judgement.
Quote from: trailer on September 05, 2023, 03:43:48 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on September 05, 2023, 03:25:44 PM
Quote from: weareros on September 05, 2023, 02:05:13 PM
At the end of the day, the Irish, the British and Americans love military commemorations. All have militaristic national anthems and songs of defeating the enemy. There's other countries too but I'd say these 3 more than any. Something in the Celtic-Gael—Anglo mindset that loves this and that's where poppy facism comes from too, or don't you dare insult American troops fighting for freedom to a Yank. Fine Gael, Fianna Fáil and Sinn Fein all love their military commemorations, often for highly suspect individuals - but because they fought the good fight for Irish freedom, they are heroes. Most won't like to admit it but Ooh Ah Up the Ra is no different than English people singing Two World Wars and One World Cup or Loyalists singing No Surrender. We may not like the English and Loyalist jingoism but equally they don't like ours. On top of this you have a rightfully angry youth with the establishment and the old joke about Jesus being Irish because he was 33 and still living at home with his mother (and she thought he was God) is now actually true based on latest stats of young people living at home - except of course for a couple of days when they get to live in a tent at Electric Picnic. Add to this the rising anti-Emigrant feeling (and DUP fundamentalists like Wallace Thompson looking to a New White Christian Ireland) and we are all now on the one Road - to Irexit. All together now boys and girls - we're on the one road...
Do you think Ireland is heading that direction? Is there justification for a referendum within the next few years?
With support for the EU at ~80% and support for an Irexit ~10% (undecideds ~10%) I would severely doubt it, no matter what people say.
Not now. But 10 years down the line when corporation taxes have dried up under new OECD/EU rules. Housing has not been solved. People think emigrants are the reason. Farmers turn against EU climate laws. Crippling debt, much of its origins in Eu forcing private banking debt into public debt. I'm pro-Eu for the record. Sorry for straying off topic. Just think Wolfe Tones "we're on the one road" kind of romantic Irish idealism is in for a rude awakening. We're becoming more like Brexit Britain/Trump's America than we realise. It'll be 50/50 in a decade, sorry to say.
Quote from: trailer on September 05, 2023, 04:54:06 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 05, 2023, 04:42:00 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 05, 2023, 08:52:02 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 04, 2023, 09:47:32 PM
Huge popularity for the Wolfetones now and in no small part/thanks to the outrage and hyperbole by the national media about the one line lyric in their 1989 Celtic Symphony song.
(https://i2-prod.irishmirror.ie/incoming/article30855589.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/0_EP23-Aerial-Stills-71.jpg)
https://twitter.com/wolfetones/status/1698480736372662310
For people who have suffered at the hands of IRA violence they find it offensive. Surely you can see that? If that was a huge tent in East Belfast and everyone singing up to their knees in Fenian blood would you be offended?
I keep saying it, people want a United Ireland but these people don't want to have to do any of the work to achieve it.
The point is what the Wolfetones popularity has grown out of. A band that was in semi retirement that might have grabbed 100 or so down at the local pub and now talk that they should headline Electric Picnic next year.
The hyperbole by media created this and you said that yourself on this thread.
Quote from: trailer on October 14, 2022, 02:50:46 PM
The reaction from media and politicians is ridiculous. Talk about a pile on. Carla Blackheart seems to be a cheerleader for this shite.
Slightly different context. In that it was the Irish Ladies soccer team. They made a poor error of judgement.
It's all connected. Without the over the top attention the Irish Ladies got from the media the Wolftones probably wouldn't even be asked to appear at Electric Picnic never mind attract many thousands.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 05, 2023, 04:42:00 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 05, 2023, 08:52:02 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 04, 2023, 09:47:32 PM
Huge popularity for the Wolfetones now and in no small part/thanks to the outrage and hyperbole by the national media about the one line lyric in their 1989 Celtic Symphony song.
(https://i2-prod.irishmirror.ie/incoming/article30855589.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/0_EP23-Aerial-Stills-71.jpg)
https://twitter.com/wolfetones/status/1698480736372662310
For people who have suffered at the hands of IRA violence they find it offensive. Surely you can see that? If that was a huge tent in East Belfast and everyone singing up to their knees in Fenian blood would you be offended?
I keep saying it, people want a United Ireland but these people don't want to have to do any of the work to achieve it.
The point is what the Wolfetones popularity has grown out of. A band that was in semi retirement that might have grabbed 100 or so down at the local pub and now talk that they should headline Electric Picnic next year.
The hyperbole by media created this and you said that yourself on this thread.
Quote from: trailer on October 14, 2022, 02:50:46 PM
The reaction from media and politicians is ridiculous. Talk about a pile on. Carla Blackheart seems to be a cheerleader for this shite.
Varadkar set the ball rolling though before that
But maybe the popularity for the WT was always there ? There maybe wasn't a festival about to hold them or their followers
Quote from: trailer on September 05, 2023, 03:43:48 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on September 05, 2023, 03:25:44 PM
Quote from: weareros on September 05, 2023, 02:05:13 PM
At the end of the day, the Irish, the British and Americans love military commemorations. All have militaristic national anthems and songs of defeating the enemy. There's other countries too but I'd say these 3 more than any. Something in the Celtic-Gael—Anglo mindset that loves this and that's where poppy facism comes from too, or don't you dare insult American troops fighting for freedom to a Yank. Fine Gael, Fianna Fáil and Sinn Fein all love their military commemorations, often for highly suspect individuals - but because they fought the good fight for Irish freedom, they are heroes. Most won't like to admit it but Ooh Ah Up the Ra is no different than English people singing Two World Wars and One World Cup or Loyalists singing No Surrender. We may not like the English and Loyalist jingoism but equally they don't like ours. On top of this you have a rightfully angry youth with the establishment and the old joke about Jesus being Irish because he was 33 and still living at home with his mother (and she thought he was God) is now actually true based on latest stats of young people living at home - except of course for a couple of days when they get to live in a tent at Electric Picnic. Add to this the rising anti-Emigrant feeling (and DUP fundamentalists like Wallace Thompson looking to a New White Christian Ireland) and we are all now on the one Road - to Irexit. All together now boys and girls - we're on the one road...
Do you think Ireland is heading that direction? Is there justification for a referendum within the next few years?
With support for the EU at ~80% and support for an Irexit ~10% (undecideds ~10%) I would severely doubt it, no matter what people say.
Where and when are those figures from?
88-7 and 5 don't knows
https://www.europeanmovement.ie/ireland-and-the-eu-poll/
Quote from: Rossfan on September 05, 2023, 11:28:44 PM
88-7 and 5 don't knows
https://www.europeanmovement.ie/ireland-and-the-eu-poll/
Connacht/ulster 78% vs Munster 89%. Very interesting
Quote from: AustinPowers on September 05, 2023, 06:06:22 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 05, 2023, 04:42:00 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 05, 2023, 08:52:02 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 04, 2023, 09:47:32 PM
Huge popularity for the Wolfetones now and in no small part/thanks to the outrage and hyperbole by the national media about the one line lyric in their 1989 Celtic Symphony song.
(https://i2-prod.irishmirror.ie/incoming/article30855589.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/0_EP23-Aerial-Stills-71.jpg)
https://twitter.com/wolfetones/status/1698480736372662310
For people who have suffered at the hands of IRA violence they find it offensive. Surely you can see that? If that was a huge tent in East Belfast and everyone singing up to their knees in Fenian blood would you be offended?
I keep saying it, people want a United Ireland but these people don't want to have to do any of the work to achieve it.
The point is what the Wolfetones popularity has grown out of. A band that was in semi retirement that might have grabbed 100 or so down at the local pub and now talk that they should headline Electric Picnic next year.
The hyperbole by media created this and you said that yourself on this thread.
Quote from: trailer on October 14, 2022, 02:50:46 PM
The reaction from media and politicians is ridiculous. Talk about a pile on. Carla Blackheart seems to be a cheerleader for this shite.
Varadkar set the ball rolling though before that
But maybe the popularity for the WT was always there ? There maybe wasn't a festival about to hold them or their followers
It has been happening up here in Belfast annually, and the same news headlines every year.
#Jaysus
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/entertainment/music/the-wolfe-tones-announce-3arena-gig-after-record-breaking-electric-picnic-turnout/a1914133869.html
Quote from: seafoid on September 06, 2023, 11:19:54 AM
#Jaysus
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/entertainment/music/the-wolfe-tones-announce-3arena-gig-after-record-breaking-electric-picnic-turnout/a1914133869.html
Odyssey next??
I cant help but be reminded of the controversial film in Father Ted. The more they say "down with this sort of thing", the more people will want to see them.
Was Gona say Stockholm syndrome (that's just wrong lol) but is it sort of like the Streisand Effect?? Mind head to one meself see what the fuss is about 😆
And uppa ra btw
Are we entirely sure the people in that photo aren't headed for the exits?
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on September 06, 2023, 01:25:03 PM
Are we entirely sure the people in that photo aren't headed for the exits?
All heading to join the Ra actually
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 05, 2023, 05:14:32 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 05, 2023, 04:54:06 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 05, 2023, 04:42:00 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 05, 2023, 08:52:02 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 04, 2023, 09:47:32 PM
Huge popularity for the Wolfetones now and in no small part/thanks to the outrage and hyperbole by the national media about the one line lyric in their 1989 Celtic Symphony song.
(https://i2-prod.irishmirror.ie/incoming/article30855589.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/0_EP23-Aerial-Stills-71.jpg)
https://twitter.com/wolfetones/status/1698480736372662310
For people who have suffered at the hands of IRA violence they find it offensive. Surely you can see that? If that was a huge tent in East Belfast and everyone singing up to their knees in Fenian blood would you be offended?
I keep saying it, people want a United Ireland but these people don't want to have to do any of the work to achieve it.
The point is what the Wolfetones popularity has grown out of. A band that was in semi retirement that might have grabbed 100 or so down at the local pub and now talk that they should headline Electric Picnic next year.
The hyperbole by media created this and you said that yourself on this thread.
Quote from: trailer on October 14, 2022, 02:50:46 PM
The reaction from media and politicians is ridiculous. Talk about a pile on. Carla Blackheart seems to be a cheerleader for this shite.
Slightly different context. In that it was the Irish Ladies soccer team. They made a poor error of judgement.
It's all connected. Without the over the top attention the Irish Ladies got from the media the Wolftones probably wouldn't even be asked to appear at Electric Picnic never mind attract many thousands.
Disagree on two fronts ... The Wolfe Tones were booked for EP23 before the Irish Ladies controversy started ... secondly, the group were pulling thousands even before that same controversy. You don't get to be 59 years on the road unless there is a lot of substance, and whether you like them or not, The Wolfe Tones have a huge following globally. As for the faux outrage from the usual quarters, the equation is simple, if you don't like The Wolfe Tones then don't listen to them and don't go to see them, but don't try to tell others who do want to attend what to do ... it's called freedom of choice.
Exactly, and those that get their knickers in a twist about being up to their necks in .... need to stop listening to those songs and getting annoyed about it
The Wolfe Tones show that there will always be an appetite for Nationalism in this country.
Quote from: balladmaker on September 12, 2023, 03:19:38 PM
Disagree on two fronts ... The Wolfe Tones were booked for EP23 before the Irish Ladies controversy started ... secondly, the group were pulling thousands even before that same controversy. You don't get to be 59 years on the road unless there is a lot of substance, and whether you like them or not, The Wolfe Tones have a huge following globally. As for the faux outrage from the usual quarters, the equation is simple, if you don't like The Wolfe Tones then don't listen to them and don't go to see them, but don't try to tell others who do want to attend what to do ... it's called freedom of choice.
They have a loyal band of supporters and deserve great credit for going as long as they have however right now is the most popular period in their 60 year history. Maybe they were already booked for Electric Picnic though the crowd that turned up to the tent (as in the picture I already posted) far exceeded expectations and if booked again next year they'll have to play on the main stage.
I've attend one of their gigs myself about a decade ago in a local pub and it did not sell out.
Ballads and rebel songs are a big part of Irish culture and will always prove popular. Sometimes these songs are original creations, sometimes they are lyrics about rebels added to old airs. Sometimes they get copied several times over in the way The Patriot Game took the melody of One Morning in May, and then Bob Dylan took the melody of The Patriot Game for With God on Our Side. Sometimes the melodies of the old airs are so good, and new rousing songs are crafted that you'd wonder if people really know what they are singing about. They melody of Roddy McCorley - an excellent song - was reused for Sean South of Garryowen. Do those singing to the Wolfe Tones know they are singing about a rebel, but also an extreme right wing zealot, founder of the Limerick branch of Maria Duce (a seriously suspect Catholic fascist organisation). Probably no. The Orange Tradition too has their own folk songs. Sometimes lyrically they are much better crafted songs than the Irish side (which tends to go for more on the nose lyrics), whereas the humour in the Orange Songs like The Auld Orange Flute and The Ballad of William Bloat are top class. I suspect that is why bands like the Clancy's enjoyed singing from this tradition too. The Orange tradition too has borrowed liberally from old Irish airs, and these marching bands are often playing airs that are a big part of Irish culture - which sound harmless if you are only hearing the fife or pennywhistle version, but can have offensive lyrics added in, or equally be harmless enough like The Sash. The tradition on both sides ain't going anywhere, nor should it. But some of it is quality stuff, and some is awful auld rubbish.
Derek Warfield left the Wolfe Tone about 20 years ago he was the writer of Celtic Symphony among others song so should be making good money out of all the air play it's got, Is it true on his departure he signed a contract that prevented the rest of the band to record any new material?
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 12, 2023, 06:59:17 PM
Derek Warfield left the Wolfe Tone about 20 years ago he was the writer of Celtic Symphony among others song so should be making good money out of all the air play it's got, Is it true on his departure he signed a contract that prevented the rest of the band to record any new material?
Derek Warfield didn't write Celtic Symphony, his brother Brian did who is still with the group. Derek did sign a record contract in the US in the 90's that took them several years to get out of.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 12, 2023, 05:47:07 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on September 12, 2023, 03:19:38 PM
Disagree on two fronts ... The Wolfe Tones were booked for EP23 before the Irish Ladies controversy started ... secondly, the group were pulling thousands even before that same controversy. You don't get to be 59 years on the road unless there is a lot of substance, and whether you like them or not, The Wolfe Tones have a huge following globally. As for the faux outrage from the usual quarters, the equation is simple, if you don't like The Wolfe Tones then don't listen to them and don't go to see them, but don't try to tell others who do want to attend what to do ... it's called freedom of choice.
They have a loyal band of supporters and deserve great credit for going as long as they have however right now is the most popular period in their 60 year history. Maybe they were already booked for Electric Picnic though the crowd that turned up to the tent (as in the picture I already posted) far exceeded expectations and if booked again next year they'll have to play on the main stage.
I've attend one of their gigs myself about a decade ago in a local pub and it did not sell out.
EP survey the audience in advance, who are you going to see etc. They knew before it happened that The Wolfe Tones appearance was going to be over subscribed by more than twice, but let it proceed in the Electric Arena as planned ... you couldn't pay for the resulting publicity.
Quote from: balladmaker on September 12, 2023, 08:29:18 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 12, 2023, 06:59:17 PM
Derek Warfield left the Wolfe Tone about 20 years ago he was the writer of Celtic Symphony among others song so should be making good money out of all the air play it's got, Is it true on his departure he signed a contract that prevented the rest of the band to record any new material?
Derek Warfield didn't write Celtic Symphony, his brother Brian did who is still with the group. Derek did sign a record contract in the US in the 90's that took them several years to get out of.
According to these links he did.
https://www.advertiser.ie/athlone/article/135699/derek-warfield-and-the-young-wolfe-tones-prepare-to-perform-at-the-venue-athlone
https://www.irishmirror.ie/showbiz/wolfe-tones-derek-warfield-goes-29378993
Co written by the brothers?
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 12, 2023, 09:04:28 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on September 12, 2023, 08:29:18 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 12, 2023, 06:59:17 PM
Derek Warfield left the Wolfe Tone about 20 years ago he was the writer of Celtic Symphony among others song so should be making good money out of all the air play it's got, Is it true on his departure he signed a contract that prevented the rest of the band to record any new material?
Derek Warfield didn't write Celtic Symphony, his brother Brian did who is still with the group. Derek did sign a record contract in the US in the 90's that took them several years to get out of.
According to these links he did.
https://www.advertiser.ie/athlone/article/135699/derek-warfield-and-the-young-wolfe-tones-prepare-to-perform-at-the-venue-athlone
https://www.irishmirror.ie/showbiz/wolfe-tones-derek-warfield-goes-29378993
Co written by the brothers?
Don't believe all that you read in the press, full of inaccuracies ... https://lyrics.lyricfind.com/en-GB/lyrics/wolfe-tones-celtic-symphony
Quote from: balladmaker on September 12, 2023, 09:08:27 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 12, 2023, 09:04:28 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on September 12, 2023, 08:29:18 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 12, 2023, 06:59:17 PM
Derek Warfield left the Wolfe Tone about 20 years ago he was the writer of Celtic Symphony among others song so should be making good money out of all the air play it's got, Is it true on his departure he signed a contract that prevented the rest of the band to record any new material?
Derek Warfield didn't write Celtic Symphony, his brother Brian did who is still with the group. Derek did sign a record contract in the US in the 90's that took them several years to get out of.
According to these links he did.
https://www.advertiser.ie/athlone/article/135699/derek-warfield-and-the-young-wolfe-tones-prepare-to-perform-at-the-venue-athlone
https://www.irishmirror.ie/showbiz/wolfe-tones-derek-warfield-goes-29378993
Co written by the brothers?
Don't believe all that you read in the press, full of inaccuracies ... https://lyrics.lyricfind.com/en-GB/lyrics/wolfe-tones-celtic-symphony
If inaccurate would Derek not correct it?
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 12, 2023, 09:13:08 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on September 12, 2023, 09:08:27 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 12, 2023, 09:04:28 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on September 12, 2023, 08:29:18 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 12, 2023, 06:59:17 PM
Derek Warfield left the Wolfe Tone about 20 years ago he was the writer of Celtic Symphony among others song so should be making good money out of all the air play it's got, Is it true on his departure he signed a contract that prevented the rest of the band to record any new material?
Derek Warfield didn't write Celtic Symphony, his brother Brian did who is still with the group. Derek did sign a record contract in the US in the 90's that took them several years to get out of.
According to these links he did.
https://www.advertiser.ie/athlone/article/135699/derek-warfield-and-the-young-wolfe-tones-prepare-to-perform-at-the-venue-athlone
https://www.irishmirror.ie/showbiz/wolfe-tones-derek-warfield-goes-29378993
Co written by the brothers?
Don't believe all that you read in the press, full of inaccuracies ... https://lyrics.lyricfind.com/en-GB/lyrics/wolfe-tones-celtic-symphony
If inaccurate would Derek not correct it?
No if about it, the reports you provided were inaccurate. As to why Derek wouldn't correct it, I guess that's a question for him. He mightn't even have read the report so will hardly bother him.
watched the tones on the two johnnies( youtube), Brian said he wrote the celtic Symphony and belittles the d4 cries of outrage .
Quote from: naka on September 13, 2023, 10:47:43 AM
watched the tones on the two johnnies( youtube), Brian said he wrote the celtic Symphony and belittles the d4 cries of outrage .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFxd8obyqZM
Some people are getting upset about 'Zombie' by the Cranberries being sung by the Irish rugby fans.
When it was the Wolfe Tones, we were told "let the people sing", it's only a song etc.
Quote from: Dag Dog on September 25, 2023, 12:16:44 PMSome people are getting upset about 'Zombie' by the Cranberries being sung by the Irish rugby fans.
When it was the Wolfe Tones, we were told "let the people sing", it's only a song etc.
The sooner Musk starts charging people for using Twitter, and everyone stops using it, the better for Ireland.
I've been out and about quite a bit the past week, and I've not engaged in or overheard a single conversation about Zombie, Ireland's Call or the Wolfe Tones.
Yet my Twitter timeline is neck deep in this nonsense.
Something isn't adding up here. And I hope the final calculation ends in Twitter's demise
Quote from: thewobbler on September 25, 2023, 12:38:07 PMQuote from: Dag Dog on September 25, 2023, 12:16:44 PMSome people are getting upset about 'Zombie' by the Cranberries being sung by the Irish rugby fans.
When it was the Wolfe Tones, we were told "let the people sing", it's only a song etc.
The sooner Musk starts charging people for using Twitter, and everyone stops using it, the better for Ireland.
I've been out and about quite a bit the past week, and I've not engaged in or overheard a single conversation about Zombie, Ireland's Call or the Wolfe Tones.
Yet my Twitter timeline is neck deep in this nonsense.
Something isn't adding up here. And I hope the final calculation ends in Twitter's demise
Blame Tadgh Hickey.
Was in Liverpool the other weekend, and we hit a few pubs on the way home on night. Some lad singing away in Fitz and Oh Ah Up the Ra came on, with mixing in, f**k the tories for good measure. There was a little bit of a hush before the whole bar just joined in ;D
Young ones not caring, the wife and her friend were a bit bemused but are smart enough that its not an issue for them (coming from a prod background)
Quote from: trailer on September 25, 2023, 12:38:53 PMQuote from: thewobbler on September 25, 2023, 12:38:07 PMQuote from: Dag Dog on September 25, 2023, 12:16:44 PMSome people are getting upset about 'Zombie' by the Cranberries being sung by the Irish rugby fans.
When it was the Wolfe Tones, we were told "let the people sing", it's only a song etc.
The sooner Musk starts charging people for using Twitter, and everyone stops using it, the better for Ireland.
I've been out and about quite a bit the past week, and I've not engaged in or overheard a single conversation about Zombie, Ireland's Call or the Wolfe Tones.
Yet my Twitter timeline is neck deep in this nonsense.
Something isn't adding up here. And I hope the final calculation ends in Twitter's demise
Blame Tadgh Hickey.
A couple of newspapers have even managed to write articles entirely based on lads who spend too much time on Twitter from both sides. Limerick hurlers have sang Zombie for years along with Sean South. Two completely contrasting songs but a Limerick connection to both. Munster Rugby adopted it and I think they were also the first to make The Fields a rousing stadium song, since adopted by Irish soccer fans and Liverpool have their own (cringe) version. Sometimes it just about a rousing piece of music to get the atmosphere going. But in Ireland people not happy till their complaining.
Quote from: weareros on September 25, 2023, 02:05:22 PMQuote from: trailer on September 25, 2023, 12:38:53 PMQuote from: thewobbler on September 25, 2023, 12:38:07 PMQuote from: Dag Dog on September 25, 2023, 12:16:44 PMSome people are getting upset about 'Zombie' by the Cranberries being sung by the Irish rugby fans.
When it was the Wolfe Tones, we were told "let the people sing", it's only a song etc.
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The sooner Musk starts charging people for using Twitter, and everyone stops using it, the better for Ireland.
I've been out and about quite a bit the past week, and I've not engaged in or overheard a single conversation about Zombie, Ireland's Call or the Wolfe Tones.
Yet my Twitter timeline is neck deep in this nonsense.
Something isn't adding up here. And I hope the final calculation ends in Twitter's demise
Blame Tadgh Hickey.
A couple of newspapers have even managed to write articles entirely based on lads who spend too much time on Twitter from both sides. Limerick hurlers have sang Zombie for years along with Sean South. Two completely contrasting songs but a Limerick connection to both. Munster Rugby adopted it and I think they were also the first to make The Fields a rousing stadium song, since adopted by Irish soccer fans and Liverpool have their own (cringe) version. Sometimes it just about a rousing piece of music to get the atmosphere going. But in Ireland people not happy till their complaining.
The whole point of anthems is to get the atmosphere going. The words don't matter. Both la Marseillaise and Amhran na bhFiann are revolutionary songs.
How could they be revolutionary if the words don't matter?
I'd never heard of The Cranberries until the singer died. Maybe they are more popular with southerners or maybe you have to be of a certain age to know them. I remember hearing that Zombies song on the radio and I thought it was a Sinead O'Connor song.
Similar to the band Aslan, I never heard of that band until i saw them on the late late show a few years ago.
G, what music do you listen to.?
Quote from: NormPeterson on September 27, 2023, 07:36:36 PMI'd never heard of The Cranberries until the singer died. Maybe they are more popular with southerners or maybe you have to be of a certain age to know them. I remember hearing that Zombies song on the radio and I thought it was a Sinead O'Connor song.
Similar to the band Aslan, I never heard of that band until i saw them on the late late show a few years ago.
What??? How old are you?
You need educating. Go listen to their first two albums, then report back here for further instructions
She had a fine voice Dolores, but her lyrics were infantile and like something you'd read in a primary school poetry contest.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 27, 2023, 09:43:08 PMG, what music do you listen to.?
I'd ask the same question to anyone that never heard of the Cranberries or needed the see the Late late show to have heard of Aslan.
Quote from: NormPeterson on September 27, 2023, 07:36:36 PMI'd never heard of The Cranberries until the singer died. Maybe they are more popular with southerners or maybe you have to be of a certain age to know them. I remember hearing that Zombies song on the radio and I thought it was a Sinead O'Connor song.
Similar to the band Aslan, I never heard of that band until i saw them on the late late show a few years ago.
Surprised you never heard of them, but yeah, Dolores definitely modeled her voice on Sinead.
Micheal Martin cleared it all up there!
Good IRA vs bad IRA
https://twitter.com/bbctheview/status/1717659548960403772
Wasn't it great to see a journalist actually ask the smarmy git the question. He didn't like it very much either. Imagine journalists in the south did their jobs and asked him a question like that the odd time
Quote from: Itchy on October 27, 2023, 02:09:21 PMWasn't it great to see a journalist actually ask the smarmy git the question. He didn't like it very much either. Imagine journalists in the south did their jobs and asked him a question like that the odd time
What a gobshite. Cork where allowed to fight for freedom but Armagh and Tyrone? Na forget them
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 27, 2023, 03:10:03 PMQuote from: Itchy on October 27, 2023, 02:09:21 PMWasn't it great to see a journalist actually ask the smarmy git the question. He didn't like it very much either. Imagine journalists in the south did their jobs and asked him a question like that the odd time
What a gobshite. Cork where allowed to fight for freedom but Armagh and Tyrone? Na forget them
Yep , that's about the height of it.
The old IRA tickled the Brits out of the 26 with a big feather duster , so they did. Oh , how they scratched on that big boat back to Holyhead
What an interview that was.
Carruthers needs to replace Nolan, actually balanced and doesn't let the interviewee blag their way out of the tough questions
Quote from: Itchy on October 27, 2023, 02:09:21 PMWasn't it great to see a journalist actually ask the smarmy git the question. He didn't like it very much either. Imagine journalists in the south did their jobs and asked him a question like that the odd time
" just calm it now " the face on Micheal. Carruthers takes no nonsense.