Russia invades Ukraine Feb 2022

Started by Main Street, February 12, 2022, 09:38:45 PM

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seafoid

https://theconversation.com/kharkiv-offensive-has-shown-the-west-that-ukraine-can-win-190501
Now, with the blitzkrieg liberation of most of the Kharkiv oblast, and the obviously abject and ramshackle state of the Russian armed forces made even more apparent, Ukrainian victory looks truly achievable for the first time.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Main Street

Quote from: seafoid on September 20, 2022, 05:40:25 PM
https://theconversation.com/kharkiv-offensive-has-shown-the-west-that-ukraine-can-win-190501
Now, with the blitzkrieg liberation of most of the Kharkiv oblast, and the obviously abject and ramshackle state of the Russian armed forces made even more apparent, Ukrainian victory looks truly achievable for the first time.
Eh no , A Ukraine victory looked on the cards after the Russ army failed to make any more ground in the south and east, and then the HIMARS and other weapons  arrived on the scene, after that it was just a matter of time.  But it is not just the weapons supplied, it is also how the UA have adapted into operating as a modern intelligent army, from their starting point of being a soviet based toxic army  and managing to do all that midstream amidst battle,
It's unheard of in military history for an army to complete such a pivot in the middle of a war.

imtommygunn

So Putin threatening nuclear action for any attacks on russian territories with russian territories including ones they claimed from Ukraine. Great.

Where does that end?

seafoid

Quote from: Main Street on September 20, 2022, 11:20:49 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 20, 2022, 05:40:25 PM
https://theconversation.com/kharkiv-offensive-has-shown-the-west-that-ukraine-can-win-190501
Now, with the blitzkrieg liberation of most of the Kharkiv oblast, and the obviously abject and ramshackle state of the Russian armed forces made even more apparent, Ukrainian victory looks truly achievable for the first time.
Eh no , A Ukraine victory looked on the cards after the Russ army failed to make any more ground in the south and east, and then the HIMARS and other weapons  arrived on the scene, after that it was just a matter of time.  But it is not just the weapons supplied, it is also how the UA have adapted into operating as a modern intelligent army, from their starting point of being a soviet based toxic army  and managing to do all that midstream amidst battle,
It's unheard of in military history for an army to complete such a pivot in the middle of a war.
That' s bollocks.
Weapons and Grind and superior leadership but in May it was all Russia

https://warontherocks.com/2022/05/would-we-do-better-hubris-and-validation-in-ukraine/

Ukraine also appears to be ceding ground in the Donbas to a slow, grinding Russian advance.


Ukraine will not regain any territory Russians do not want it2regain. isn't in position do so militarily nor thru negotiations. simply have2accept defeat+give up east+south+accept loss source of 70-80% of former GDP All this completely foreseeable since first day war"
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Milltown Row2

Quote from: imtommygunn on September 21, 2022, 08:51:04 AM
So Putin threatening nuclear action for any attacks on russian territories with russian territories including ones they claimed from Ukraine. Great.

Where does that end?

I don't know but lets enjoy this life we have at the moment as this cnut will save face doing whatever is necessary to not look like a failure!!

It's looking now to be a showdown and this hand Putin has played is going to be a pretty good bluff or an embarrassing loss... None of those calls will be good either way
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

imtommygunn

Tbh - the best approach is not to think about it. He will keep threatening nuclear any which way. Whether he delivers on it time will tell.

JPGJOHNNYG

Still find it amazing that he has clearly lost the plot and yet still has the backing of so many loyal goons.

imtommygunn

Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on September 21, 2022, 11:49:17 AM
Still find it amazing that he has clearly lost the plot and yet still has the backing of so many loyal goons.

Yeah. He now says we will take your country but if you try to take it back we'll nuke you. How does any Russian think that's a good idea. There is bound to be a coup at some point the way this is going - surely?

Aaron Boone

Quote from: imtommygunn on September 21, 2022, 11:54:18 AM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on September 21, 2022, 11:49:17 AM
Still find it amazing that he has clearly lost the plot and yet still has the backing of so many loyal goons.

Yeah. He now says we will take your country but if you try to take it back we'll nuke you. How does any Russian think that's a good idea. There is bound to be a coup at some point the way this is going - surely?
Russia does revolutions rather than coups. 

armaghniac

Quote from: Aaron Boone on September 21, 2022, 12:13:40 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 21, 2022, 11:54:18 AM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on September 21, 2022, 11:49:17 AM
Still find it amazing that he has clearly lost the plot and yet still has the backing of so many loyal goons.

Yeah. He now says we will take your country but if you try to take it back we'll nuke you. How does any Russian think that's a good idea. There is bound to be a coup at some point the way this is going - surely?
Russia does revolutions rather than coups.

They are rather revolting.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

Blowitupref

Is the ref going to finally blow his whistle?... No, he's going to blow his nose

Main Street

Conscription just has that effect on a populace even in Russia,
thousands have marched on the streets.

Protests in Moscow and St Petersburg today have grown pretty large. People chanting "No to War!" Dozens of arrests reported

https://twitter.com/i/status/1572645894968987648

Main Street

The traffic jam at the border with Russia/Finland has pilled up to 35KM and is rising by the hour, it is the only border who is still open for Russian civilians with shengen visas, after Putin announced he will send 300.000 new troops to Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1572568782748680194


Main Street


imtommygunn

There are an awful lot of russians who are going to be conscripted here without much military training etc and could see a very sorry end. While Russia are obviously the aggressors here you really wouldn't want to be a Russian citizen at all and would have to feel for some. It can't be a good place to be.