6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022

[RadioGAAGAA]

Not a great day TBH.

Further polarisation and we're constantly moving further away from a UI with any kind of super-majority consensus.


Things keep going as they are and the Shinners will try and ram a border poll in first chance they get - without much thought as to what happens if it did go through 51/49.

How do we know they aren't thinking of what happens after? 'Cos they sure as f**k aren't laying any ground work right now.


[Now, to be fair, the unionist parties can't face that future and are sticking their heads in the ground with respect to the inevitable. Which doesn't help, but Sinn Fein's building of an economic case for a UI - to the public BOTH sides of the border - is utterly non existent.]

[Itchy]

Not a great day TBH.

Further polarisation and we're constantly moving further away from a UI with any kind of super-majority consensus.


Things keep going as they are and the Shinners will try and ram a border poll in first chance they get - without much thought as to what happens if it did go through 51/49.

How do we know they aren't thinking of what happens after? 'Cos they sure as f**k aren't laying any ground work right now.


[Now, to be fair, the unionist parties can't face that future and are sticking their heads in the ground with respect to the inevitable. Which doesn't help, but Sinn Fein's building of an economic case for a UI - to the public BOTH sides of the border - is utterly non existent.]

And what would a great day have looked like for you?

[Milltown Row2]

It's up to the SF to not even given it a platform with regards to UI just deal with the normal politics and day to day issues and let them burn up inside!!

Should they start pushing the question on border poll they'll be causing all sorts of shit, we ain't ready for it just yet

[Snapchap]

Not a great day TBH.

Further polarisation and we're constantly moving further away from a UI with any kind of super-majority consensus.

What exactly were you expecting? Nationalists and unionists to, out of the blue, totally cease voting accordingly?

Things keep going as they are and the Shinners will try and ram a border poll in first chance they get - without much thought as to what happens if it did go through 51/49.

The mind boggles. Its like you've fallen hook, line and sinker for the tactic the DUP were using to try scare die-hard loyalists to the polls. SF can't call a border poll.Only the British Secretary of State can. So how can SF "ram one in"?

How do we know they aren't thinking of what happens after? 'Cos they sure as f**k aren't laying any ground work right now.

They are building political support and well on the way to being in government North and south. Once that happens, they will be in the position to form a citizens assembly on unity and only then will the southern government actively prepare for what everyone accepts is an inevitable poll at some point in the future. For now, they can only lobby for these things.

[seafoid]

From Terence O'Neill to Michelle O'Neill in just over 50 years.

And some people still think there'll never be a United Ireland.

There wont unless the political economy is fixed

Seafood, why do you make such definitive statements about something you know f**k all about lad?

Look at opinion polls, Itchy. Sunday Indo anytime. Southern voters do not want to pay for NI. So NI has to pay its own way.
What do you know about fixing NI ?

Yeh, whenever I need to know about the North I read the f**king Sunday Indo. Are you off your rocker.

Who is expected to pay for NI post unification, Itchy, you muppet ? Is it DUP voters?

[Itchy]

From Terence O'Neill to Michelle O'Neill in just over 50 years.

And some people still think there'll never be a United Ireland.

There wont unless the political economy is fixed

Seafood, why do you make such definitive statements about something you know f**k all about lad?

Look at opinion polls, Itchy. Sunday Indo anytime. Southern voters do not want to pay for NI. So NI has to pay its own way.
What do you know about fixing NI ?

Yeh, whenever I need to know about the North I read the f**king Sunday Indo. Are you off your rocker.

Who is expected to pay for NI post unification, Itchy, you muppet ? Is it DUP voters?

Don't worry I don't think plastic paddy's like you will need to pay an extra cent tax to reunify your country. I'm sure DUP voters will pay their taxes like everyone else too.

[RadioGAAGAA]

Not a great day TBH.

Further polarisation and we're constantly moving further away from a UI with any kind of super-majority consensus.


Things keep going as they are and the Shinners will try and ram a border poll in first chance they get - without much thought as to what happens if it did go through 51/49.

How do we know they aren't thinking of what happens after? 'Cos they sure as f**k aren't laying any ground work right now.


[Now, to be fair, the unionist parties can't face that future and are sticking their heads in the ground with respect to the inevitable. Which doesn't help, but Sinn Fein's building of an economic case for a UI - to the public BOTH sides of the border - is utterly non existent.]

And what would a great day have looked like for you?

A definite move away from the TUV and DUP toward the centre ground.

Even a pull back from SF toward the SDLP.

[Itchy]

Not a great day TBH.

Further polarisation and we're constantly moving further away from a UI with any kind of super-majority consensus.


Things keep going as they are and the Shinners will try and ram a border poll in first chance they get - without much thought as to what happens if it did go through 51/49.

How do we know they aren't thinking of what happens after? 'Cos they sure as f**k aren't laying any ground work right now.


[Now, to be fair, the unionist parties can't face that future and are sticking their heads in the ground with respect to the inevitable. Which doesn't help, but Sinn Fein's building of an economic case for a UI - to the public BOTH sides of the border - is utterly non existent.]

And what would a great day have looked like for you?

A definite move away from the TUV and DUP toward the centre ground.

Even a pull back from SF toward the SDLP.

Regarding the later, the sdlp need to look in the mirror on how they ran their campaign don't they rather than blame the electorate

[screenexile]

Is there a case for a border poll never being won given that SF seem to have hit their ceiling and the middle ground is where the gains are to be had.

Hard to see where the extra yes votes come from to get over the 50%.

[Snapchap]

Not a great day TBH.

Further polarisation and we're constantly moving further away from a UI with any kind of super-majority consensus.


Things keep going as they are and the Shinners will try and ram a border poll in first chance they get - without much thought as to what happens if it did go through 51/49.

How do we know they aren't thinking of what happens after? 'Cos they sure as f**k aren't laying any ground work right now.


[Now, to be fair, the unionist parties can't face that future and are sticking their heads in the ground with respect to the inevitable. Which doesn't help, but Sinn Fein's building of an economic case for a UI - to the public BOTH sides of the border - is utterly non existent.]

And what would a great day have looked like for you?

A definite move away from the TUV and DUP toward the centre ground.

Even a pull back from SF toward the SDLP.

You actually expected the TUV to lose ground? And the SDLP to make significant gains from SF? You haven't been paying attention!

[RadioGAAGAA]

Not a great day TBH.

Further polarisation and we're constantly moving further away from a UI with any kind of super-majority consensus.

What exactly were you expecting? Nationalists and unionists to, out of the blue, totally cease voting accordingly?

The DUP have just presided over a massive series of f**k ups.

- RHI
- Brexit
- Yet another Stormont collapse when Health Service is dying.

Did that affect them? Apparently not a bit.


TUV is the new party of "No". No forward thinking, no opportunities, no development. No move on from 1690.

Yet where is the vote going.


There is more to this than just SF. Which I did allude to in the original post.

Things keep going as they are and the Shinners will try and ram a border poll in first chance they get - without much thought as to what happens if it did go through 51/49.

The mind boggles. Its like you've fallen hook, line and sinker for the tactic the DUP were using to try scare die-hard loyalists to the polls. SF can't call a border poll.Only the British Secretary of State can. So how can SF "ram one in"?

The mind boggles indeed..

"the Secretary of State shall exercise the power under paragraph 1 if at any time it appears likely to him that a majority of those voting would express a wish that Northern Ireland should cease to be part of the United Kingdom and form part of a united Ireland."

If SF get a majority vote in Stormont on a motion for a border poll that is only stopped by a minority petition of concern, that's pretty damn compelling.

The shall in there forces the SoS's hand under the above circumstance.

How do we know they aren't thinking of what happens after? 'Cos they sure as f**k aren't laying any ground work right now.

They are building political support and well on the way to being in government North and south. Once that happens, they will be in the position to form a citizens assembly on unity and only then will the southern government actively prepare for what everyone accepts is an inevitable poll at some point in the future. For now, they can only lobby for these things.
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Ha. Have you any evidence of their lobbying for a citizens assembly?


Building political support with whom? Far as I can see they are a pariah to all other parties north and south.

They don't need to be in government to instigate the creation of a citizens assembly.

Indeed, its better if they aren't in government - 'cos to make this work - its going to have to be a workable solution across the political spectrum - and definitely not something constructed entirely to SF's specification.

[armaghniac]

Is there a case for a border poll never being won given that SF seem to have hit their ceiling and the middle ground is where the gains are to be had.

Hard to see where the extra yes votes come from to get over the 50%.

The people in the middle can be persuaded, but SF will not do it.

[RadioGAAGAA]

Regarding the later, the sdlp need to look in the mirror on how they ran their campaign don't they rather than blame the electorate

They do indeed.

But that doesn't stop my summation being accurate. Its not a great day.

[RadioGAAGAA]

You actually expected the TUV to lose ground? And the SDLP to make significant gains from SF? You haven't been paying attention!

No. Expecting and hoping are two different things.

Furthermore, the TUV haven't really taken the DUPs vote. They've taken the UUPs vote by the look of it.

[RadioGAAGAA]

Is there a case for a border poll never being won given that SF seem to have hit their ceiling and the middle ground is where the gains are to be had.

Hard to see where the extra yes votes come from to get over the 50%.

The people in the middle can be persuaded, but SF will not do it.

Will not and (due to baggage*) probably can not.

*regardless of whether you feel the baggage is fair or not.