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Re: Brexit.
« Reply #10185 on: May 17, 2022, 01:48:08 PM »
My initial thoughts are to pull the whole thing down to feck.  Sicken your hole.  Get the border poll tonight and there'd be a united ireland in the morning.   Aaaaargh

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The Nationalist parties should put an ultimatum to the DUP and the British government. Either work Stormont and provide good stable government or it is gone forever and they will both come together to help form a citizens assembly with a view to a Unity referendum and reunification by 2030.

Who will both come together to form a citizens assembly??

I dunno where this optimism for a United Ireland is coming from there is no evidence that it would be even be close to 50% for reunification!

I do wonder if too much credence is being given to that last poll by Liverpool University. I even saw Fintan O’Toole quoting the lowly 30% number at the weekend. But LucidTalk polls have both sides in 40s and Lord Ashcroft who is Tory pollster has had UI in high 40s. This is all without anyone seeing a plan. The other interesting stat is the Alliance transferring higher to Nationalist than Unionist. And the final interesting stat is when you look at the demographics the Pro-UK vote is heavy 60+. Ten years will make a big difference to those numbers.

I'd asked that question in the AE election thread as it didn't make sense to me that SF more or less held their vote, the Alliance made huge gains and the SDLP and UUP took a battering.

There had to be areas like NA, South and North Belfast where nationalists were voting Alliance.

Colm needs to get his head around that.

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« Reply #10186 on: May 17, 2022, 01:50:35 PM »
Strangford too JC.

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« Reply #10187 on: May 17, 2022, 01:54:13 PM »
My initial thoughts are to pull the whole thing down to feck.  Sicken your hole.  Get the border poll tonight and there'd be a united ireland in the morning.   Aaaaargh

Yes and No.
The Nationalist parties should put an ultimatum to the DUP and the British government. Either work Stormont and provide good stable government or it is gone forever and they will both come together to help form a citizens assembly with a view to a Unity referendum and reunification by 2030.

Who will both come together to form a citizens assembly??

I dunno where this optimism for a United Ireland is coming from there is no evidence that it would be even be close to 50% for reunification!

I do wonder if too much credence is being given to that last poll by Liverpool University. I even saw Fintan O’Toole quoting the lowly 30% number at the weekend. But LucidTalk polls have both sides in 40s and Lord Ashcroft who is Tory pollster has had UI in high 40s. This is all without anyone seeing a plan. The other interesting stat is the Alliance transferring higher to Nationalist than Unionist. And the final interesting stat is when you look at the demographics the Pro-UK vote is heavy 60+. Ten years will make a big difference to those numbers.

It will be difficult to push it over the line in 15 years, but heres hoping, so many ups and downs in politics so God knows where things will be even this time next year. I live in a strong nationalist city and it is very very rarely subject of conversation, that is not to say its not on peoples minds. People talk daily about NHS, debt, jobs, inflation, brexit, fuel poverty but it would be very very odd time the conversation is finished with a conclusion centering on a UI. We need to be realistic if we want to put proper plan in place.

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Re: Brexit.
« Reply #10188 on: May 17, 2022, 03:00:15 PM »

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« Reply #10189 on: May 17, 2022, 04:18:49 PM »
My initial thoughts are to pull the whole thing down to feck.  Sicken your hole.  Get the border poll tonight and there'd be a united ireland in the morning.   Aaaaargh

Yes and No.
The Nationalist parties should put an ultimatum to the DUP and the British government. Either work Stormont and provide good stable government or it is gone forever and they will both come together to help form a citizens assembly with a view to a Unity referendum and reunification by 2030.

Who will both come together to form a citizens assembly??

I dunno where this optimism for a United Ireland is coming from there is no evidence that it would be even be close to 50% for reunification!

I do wonder if too much credence is being given to that last poll by Liverpool University. I even saw Fintan O’Toole quoting the lowly 30% number at the weekend. But LucidTalk polls have both sides in 40s and Lord Ashcroft who is Tory pollster has had UI in high 40s. This is all without anyone seeing a plan. The other interesting stat is the Alliance transferring higher to Nationalist than Unionist. And the final interesting stat is when you look at the demographics the Pro-UK vote is heavy 60+. Ten years will make a big difference to those numbers.

There was little enough support for Brexit but if you can set out what a UI might look like and talk about it as an actual reality it could bring people on board. At this stage for most people a UI is pie in the sky. If the conversation starts to get real then that will start to focus minds, on both sides and none.

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« Reply #10190 on: May 17, 2022, 04:41:51 PM »
Conversation has started - slowly but surely.

Needs more planning and that obviously means white papers from the government in the 26 counties. They're clearly not interested as they don't want to be pusging anything that'll help SF.

When SF get into government in the south, there might be more planning for it in a proper manner.  Until then, then it'll just be driven ad-hoc by various organisations etc.

As I say, it's a start and a lot more discussion around it in 2022 than, say 2017, but a lot more to do to give us a roadmap for the future.

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« Reply #10191 on: May 18, 2022, 02:14:27 PM »
Conversation has started - slowly but surely.

Needs more planning and that obviously means white papers from the government in the 26 counties. They're clearly not interested as they don't want to be pusging anything that'll help SF.

When SF get into government in the south, there might be more planning for it in a proper manner.  Until then, then it'll just be driven ad-hoc by various organisations etc.

As I say, it's a start and a lot more discussion around it in 2022 than, say 2017, but a lot more to do to give us a roadmap for the future.

Unionism's problem with partaking in the conversation is once they have, there is only one direction of travel associated with it and one final destination.  To partake in the conversation is to acknowledge the planning for unification has commenced.  Unionism either decides to carve out their piece in a new Ireland e.g. continued political links with Westminster via some northern body ... or stay on the outside which unfortunately is where the DUP will choose to stay.
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« Reply #10192 on: May 23, 2022, 08:55:58 PM »
Just when BJ thought he was home-free these photos emerge; think he could be really on a sticky wicket now.

https://www.rte.ie/news/uk/2022/0523/1300709-boris-johnson-party/


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« Reply #10193 on: May 23, 2022, 09:02:23 PM »
Just when BJ thought he was home-free these photos emerge; think he could be really on a sticky wicket now.

https://www.rte.ie/news/uk/2022/0523/1300709-boris-johnson-party/

I got married that week and couldn't have a reception. I was only allowed immediate family in the chapel.

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Re: Brexit.
« Reply #10194 on: May 24, 2022, 12:10:50 AM »
Just when BJ thought he was home-free these photos emerge; think he could be really on a sticky wicket now.

https://www.rte.ie/news/uk/2022/0523/1300709-boris-johnson-party/
This will finish Johnson. Like all the other times he was finished.

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« Reply #10195 on: May 24, 2022, 07:58:25 AM »
At this point it does look like only something like actual dead bodies would finish him!!

This doesn’t reflect well on the met. They are a shitty shitty organisation.

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« Reply #10196 on: May 24, 2022, 08:53:09 AM »
Doesn't reflect well on the Tory party who continue to support a lying, lawbreaking leader. They're worse than the Met.

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« Reply #10197 on: May 24, 2022, 09:06:20 AM »
Doesn't reflect well on the Tory party who continue to support a lying, lawbreaking leader. They're worse than the Met.

I think Johnson will ride this one out along with the Gray report.

The client media are already spinning that's shes going to do a political hatchet job on him and even the wiping they got in the council elections wasn't as bad as anticipated as Labour failed to get the vote out in the North of England.

The Torys don't give a fúck for the cost of living or anything like that, yet play the immigrant card every once in a while and that'll suffice to keep the base happy.

If we weren't tied to these charlatans I wouldn't give a shiny shíte for them, but sadly we are.

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« Reply #10198 on: May 26, 2022, 09:58:47 AM »
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Re: Brexit.
« Reply #10199 on: May 26, 2022, 11:50:55 AM »
I'm no economist but if the Govt are pumping £30bn into the economy how exactly does that stave off inflation will that not make it worse?