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Milltown Row2

Quote from: tyrone08 on February 28, 2024, 09:49:40 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2024, 08:56:18 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 28, 2024, 06:18:45 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 27, 2024, 10:05:41 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 27, 2024, 08:47:29 PMNo more rule changes until we can properly enforce the rules we have. Can barley go 1 week without seeing 2 refs who have very different interpretation of the rules.

Players constantly blew for touching ball on the ground when the rules actually allow you to.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sportsjoe.ie/amp/gaa/gaa-rules-ball-ground-169516

Certain refs enforcing third man in when it suits and ignoring it other times etc etc

Touching the ball on the ground if knocked to the ground while in possession.. standard rule and strange why anyone doesn't know it

You can't though just randomly touch on the ground or strike it without being initially in possession

Majority of time the player who has the ball gets knocked to the ground he envibilty touches it on the groubd he gets blown for it. Never seen this rule implemented

You didn't in your first post. You said players getting constantly blown for touching the ball on the ground when the rules actually allow you.. That's not the case nor is it even close to the majority of times that the ball is actually touched on the ground in the game.

This is the annoying thing when gobshites behind the fence haven't a "scobby doo" about the rules but give off regardless

When would a player be on the ground touching the ball without having first been in possesion of it??

Jesus use a bit of common sense. Anytime a player touches the ball on the ground its because he was originally in possession and forced to the ground.

How many times in a game do you see a player tackled, falls to ground and touches the ball. He immediately gets blown and a free given against him even though he is actually allowed to play the ball on the ground as he was originally in possession.

Its not at all correct you keep saying touches, he's not playing the ball, he touches the ball its a foul.. if he's in  possession and falls to the ground he can play it.. In most cases he's touched it incidentally and that's a foul
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

JoG2

Quote from: Rossfan on February 28, 2024, 08:41:35 AMWhat percentage of Gaaboarders know the playing rules fully?

never fails to amaze me how many supporters at games haven't a clue about the rules,and they're usually the loudest!  :o

tyrone08

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2024, 10:45:12 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 28, 2024, 09:49:40 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2024, 08:56:18 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 28, 2024, 06:18:45 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 27, 2024, 10:05:41 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 27, 2024, 08:47:29 PMNo more rule changes until we can properly enforce the rules we have. Can barley go 1 week without seeing 2 refs who have very different interpretation of the rules.

Players constantly blew for touching ball on the ground when the rules actually allow you to.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sportsjoe.ie/amp/gaa/gaa-rules-ball-ground-169516

Certain refs enforcing third man in when it suits and ignoring it other times etc etc

Touching the ball on the ground if knocked to the ground while in possession.. standard rule and strange why anyone doesn't know it

You can't though just randomly touch on the ground or strike it without being initially in possession

Majority of time the player who has the ball gets knocked to the ground he envibilty touches it on the groubd he gets blown for it. Never seen this rule implemented

You didn't in your first post. You said players getting constantly blown for touching the ball on the ground when the rules actually allow you.. That's not the case nor is it even close to the majority of times that the ball is actually touched on the ground in the game.

This is the annoying thing when gobshites behind the fence haven't a "scobby doo" about the rules but give off regardless

When would a player be on the ground touching the ball without having first been in possesion of it??

Jesus use a bit of common sense. Anytime a player touches the ball on the ground its because he was originally in possession and forced to the ground.

How many times in a game do you see a player tackled, falls to ground and touches the ball. He immediately gets blown and a free given against him even though he is actually allowed to play the ball on the ground as he was originally in possession.

Its not at all correct you keep saying touches, he's not playing the ball, he touches the ball its a foul.. if he's in  possession and falls to the ground he can play it.. In most cases he's touched it incidentally and that's a foul

How would you play the ball without touching it?

Milltown Row2

Quote from: tyrone08 on February 28, 2024, 12:25:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2024, 10:45:12 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 28, 2024, 09:49:40 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2024, 08:56:18 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 28, 2024, 06:18:45 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 27, 2024, 10:05:41 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 27, 2024, 08:47:29 PMNo more rule changes until we can properly enforce the rules we have. Can barley go 1 week without seeing 2 refs who have very different interpretation of the rules.

Players constantly blew for touching ball on the ground when the rules actually allow you to.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sportsjoe.ie/amp/gaa/gaa-rules-ball-ground-169516

Certain refs enforcing third man in when it suits and ignoring it other times etc etc

Touching the ball on the ground if knocked to the ground while in possession.. standard rule and strange why anyone doesn't know it

You can't though just randomly touch on the ground or strike it without being initially in possession

Majority of time the player who has the ball gets knocked to the ground he envibilty touches it on the groubd he gets blown for it. Never seen this rule implemented

You didn't in your first post. You said players getting constantly blown for touching the ball on the ground when the rules actually allow you.. That's not the case nor is it even close to the majority of times that the ball is actually touched on the ground in the game.

This is the annoying thing when gobshites behind the fence haven't a "scobby doo" about the rules but give off regardless

When would a player be on the ground touching the ball without having first been in possesion of it??

Jesus use a bit of common sense. Anytime a player touches the ball on the ground its because he was originally in possession and forced to the ground.

How many times in a game do you see a player tackled, falls to ground and touches the ball. He immediately gets blown and a free given against him even though he is actually allowed to play the ball on the ground as he was originally in possession.

Its not at all correct you keep saying touches, he's not playing the ball, he touches the ball its a foul.. if he's in  possession and falls to the ground he can play it.. In most cases he's touched it incidentally and that's a foul

How would you play the ball without touching it?

Going around in circles here..

You can't touch the ball on the ground, If you are tackled with ball in hand you can play the ball by striking it along the ground while the ball is on the ground.

Definition for not playing the ball for me (with the whistle) is an incidental touch and not striking it away after having it in possession initially..

This is more common, as the player that falls to the ground is surrounded and he makes a failed attempt trying to lift the ball touches the ball (not trying to play/strike/add in whatever word that suits the attempt)

I have many times said "play on" when a player has done that which is usually followed by "he's touched the ball on the deck ref!"

There's a clear difference, I can't help you if you struggle with that
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

Bord na Mona man

Quote from: JoG2 on February 28, 2024, 11:05:10 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 28, 2024, 08:41:35 AMWhat percentage of Gaaboarders know the playing rules fully?

never fails to amaze me how many supporters at games haven't a clue about the rules,and they're usually the loudest!  :o
Yep, the fellas who roar for frees for 'two turns', 'showing the ball' or query why a player got pinged for picking up a 'rolling ball'.


tyrone08

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2024, 12:39:13 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 28, 2024, 12:25:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2024, 10:45:12 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 28, 2024, 09:49:40 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2024, 08:56:18 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 28, 2024, 06:18:45 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 27, 2024, 10:05:41 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 27, 2024, 08:47:29 PMNo more rule changes until we can properly enforce the rules we have. Can barley go 1 week without seeing 2 refs who have very different interpretation of the rules.

Players constantly blew for touching ball on the ground when the rules actually allow you to.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sportsjoe.ie/amp/gaa/gaa-rules-ball-ground-169516

Certain refs enforcing third man in when it suits and ignoring it other times etc etc

Touching the ball on the ground if knocked to the ground while in possession.. standard rule and strange why anyone doesn't know it

You can't though just randomly touch on the ground or strike it without being initially in possession

Majority of time the player who has the ball gets knocked to the ground he envibilty touches it on the groubd he gets blown for it. Never seen this rule implemented

You didn't in your first post. You said players getting constantly blown for touching the ball on the ground when the rules actually allow you.. That's not the case nor is it even close to the majority of times that the ball is actually touched on the ground in the game.

This is the annoying thing when gobshites behind the fence haven't a "scobby doo" about the rules but give off regardless

When would a player be on the ground touching the ball without having first been in possesion of it??

Jesus use a bit of common sense. Anytime a player touches the ball on the ground its because he was originally in possession and forced to the ground.

How many times in a game do you see a player tackled, falls to ground and touches the ball. He immediately gets blown and a free given against him even though he is actually allowed to play the ball on the ground as he was originally in possession.

Its not at all correct you keep saying touches, he's not playing the ball, he touches the ball its a foul.. if he's in  possession and falls to the ground he can play it.. In most cases he's touched it incidentally and that's a foul

How would you play the ball without touching it?

Going around in circles here..

You can't touch the ball on the ground, If you are tackled with ball in hand you can play the ball by striking it along the ground while the ball is on the ground.

Definition for not playing the ball for me (with the whistle) is an incidental touch and not striking it away after having it in possession initially..

This is more common, as the player that falls to the ground is surrounded and he makes a failed attempt trying to lift the ball touches the ball (not trying to play/strike/add in whatever word that suits the attempt)

I have many times said "play on" when a player has done that which is usually followed by "he's touched the ball on the deck ref!"

There's a clear difference, I can't help you if you struggle with that

My original point was there shouldnt be any changes to the rules until we enforce the ones we have.

Touching the ball on the ground was one example. Could easily talk about the 4 steps which are never enforced or the 3rd man into a meele who is usually never sent off (unless its tyrone) or the player closed fist punching a player during a "tackle" which is never punished.

Rossfan

Quote from: Bord na Mona man on February 28, 2024, 01:30:49 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on February 28, 2024, 11:05:10 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 28, 2024, 08:41:35 AMWhat percentage of Gaaboarders know the playing rules fully?

never fails to amaze me how many supporters at games haven't a clue about the rules,and they're usually the loudest!  :o
Yep, the fellas who roar for frees for 'two turns', 'showing the ball' or query why a player got pinged for picking up a 'rolling ball'.



Nearly always a Galway buck that comes out with the 2 turns and showing the ball.

A mate of mine cam usually be heard roaring "Charging Ref".
What's the wording of the charging with the ball rule Milltown?
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

J70

One I used to always hear against six county teams was their supporters roaring "too long!"

I was never coached that there was a time limit on holding the ball. Not that you ever would try to, because it would be poked out your hands or you'd be shouldered out of it.

What is the rule on this?

Can you technically stand there like in basketball, shielding the ball as long as you don't exceed steps?

Armagh18

Quote from: J70 on February 28, 2024, 04:45:14 PMOne I used to always hear against six county teams was their supporters roaring "too long!"

I was never coached that there was a time limit on holding the ball. Not that you ever would try to, because it would be poked out your hands or you'd be shouldered out of it.

What is the rule on this?

Can you technically stand there like in basketball, shielding the ball as long as you don't exceed steps?
Rule is 4 steps or the time it would take to take 4 steps I think?

J70

Quote from: Armagh18 on February 28, 2024, 04:48:28 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 28, 2024, 04:45:14 PMOne I used to always hear against six county teams was their supporters roaring "too long!"

I was never coached that there was a time limit on holding the ball. Not that you ever would try to, because it would be poked out your hands or you'd be shouldered out of it.

What is the rule on this?

Can you technically stand there like in basketball, shielding the ball as long as you don't exceed steps?
Rule is 4 steps or the time it would take to take 4 steps I think?

Yes, looks like you're correct.

Apparently one of the changes suggested a couple of years ago was to abolish the number of steps and just make it a two second rule. Obviously it wasn't adopted.

Main Street

Quote from: tyrone08 on February 28, 2024, 01:54:06 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2024, 12:39:13 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 28, 2024, 12:25:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2024, 10:45:12 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 28, 2024, 09:49:40 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2024, 08:56:18 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 28, 2024, 06:18:45 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 27, 2024, 10:05:41 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 27, 2024, 08:47:29 PMNo more rule changes until we can properly enforce the rules we have. Can barley go 1 week without seeing 2 refs who have very different interpretation of the rules.

Players constantly blew for touching ball on the ground when the rules actually allow you to.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sportsjoe.ie/amp/gaa/gaa-rules-ball-ground-169516

Certain refs enforcing third man in when it suits and ignoring it other times etc etc

Touching the ball on the ground if knocked to the ground while in possession.. standard rule and strange why anyone doesn't know it

You can't though just randomly touch on the ground or strike it without being initially in possession

Majority of time the player who has the ball gets knocked to the ground he envibilty touches it on the groubd he gets blown for it. Never seen this rule implemented

You didn't in your first post. You said players getting constantly blown for touching the ball on the ground when the rules actually allow you.. That's not the case nor is it even close to the majority of times that the ball is actually touched on the ground in the game.

This is the annoying thing when gobshites behind the fence haven't a "scobby doo" about the rules but give off regardless

When would a player be on the ground touching the ball without having first been in possesion of it??

Jesus use a bit of common sense. Anytime a player touches the ball on the ground its because he was originally in possession and forced to the ground.

How many times in a game do you see a player tackled, falls to ground and touches the ball. He immediately gets blown and a free given against him even though he is actually allowed to play the ball on the ground as he was originally in possession.

Its not at all correct you keep saying touches, he's not playing the ball, he touches the ball its a foul.. if he's in  possession and falls to the ground he can play it.. In most cases he's touched it incidentally and that's a foul

How would you play the ball without touching it?

Going around in circles here..

You can't touch the ball on the ground, If you are tackled with ball in hand you can play the ball by striking it along the ground while the ball is on the ground.

Definition for not playing the ball for me (with the whistle) is an incidental touch and not striking it away after having it in possession initially..

This is more common, as the player that falls to the ground is surrounded and he makes a failed attempt trying to lift the ball touches the ball (not trying to play/strike/add in whatever word that suits the attempt)

I have many times said "play on" when a player has done that which is usually followed by "he's touched the ball on the deck ref!"

There's a clear difference, I can't help you if you struggle with that

My original point was there shouldnt be any changes to the rules until we enforce the ones we have.

Touching the ball on the ground was one example. Could easily talk about the 4 steps which are never enforced or the 3rd man into a meele who is usually never sent off (unless its tyrone) or the player closed fist punching a player during a "tackle" which is never punished.
In the 1995 AI final, Canavan  was not in possession of the ball when it fell to ground, he just managed to parry the ball with one hand before it fell to ground. Didn't the ref get it right that day?


Milltown Row2

Quote from: Rossfan on February 28, 2024, 03:04:15 PM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on February 28, 2024, 01:30:49 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on February 28, 2024, 11:05:10 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 28, 2024, 08:41:35 AMWhat percentage of Gaaboarders know the playing rules fully?

never fails to amaze me how many supporters at games haven't a clue about the rules,and they're usually the loudest!  :o
Yep, the fellas who roar for frees for 'two turns', 'showing the ball' or query why a player got pinged for picking up a 'rolling ball'.



Nearly always a Galway buck that comes out with the 2 turns and showing the ball.

A mate of mine cam usually be heard roaring "Charging Ref".
What's the wording of the charging with the ball rule Milltown?

You can't charge with the ball or without it.
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

GAABoardMod5

Quote from: thewobbler on February 28, 2024, 10:01:33 AMI don't think you're getting it Tyrone08.

If a high ball /long ball is broken down, and both (or multiple) players end up on the ground, if any of them touches it then it's a foul. For neither was in possession.

If a player is dispossessed by a tackle or shoulder just before falling to the ground, then then he wasn't in possession of the ball before falling, so if he touches it, it's a foul.

If a player on the ground makes any attempt to regain possession of the ball then it's a foul. He can swot it away. But he can't protect it.

How many are aware that when he plays the ball on the ground and it goes into the net, it is a valid goal?

Wildweasel74

Charge with a ball? Whats a free blown for technically, when he runs straight over the top of you, and you stood u ground.Seen many a free give for me and against me for this.If this not charging, what is it?

Wildweasel74

The 4 step rule needs changed to 6, which most player are taking anyway running hard. Player way fitter now than 30yrs ago.