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Re: A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.
« Reply #1830 on: December 18, 2017, 08:04:34 PM »
We'll be that logic a referendum in the North on reunification must now be regarded as a Nationalist takeover which will never be allowed by Dublin's official Republican Party!

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« Reply #1831 on: December 18, 2017, 08:05:29 PM »
If you believe Tony they'll want stricter limits on abortion and the abolition of same sex marriage.
The future All Ireland political entity will be a Confederation of two semi autonomous areas - present 26 and 6 Cos.
The terms of the GFA will continue to apply in the 6 Cos e.g Dual Irish and British citizenship (if "Britain"still exists then).
What's the point then? Doesn't sound much different to current  situation.

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« Reply #1832 on: December 18, 2017, 08:18:19 PM »
To a certain extent, they’re putting the bigger picture before the party because that is exactly how it would be seen by unionists. As you well know. I’m also doubtful as to how successful they would be up here unless they merged with the DUP.

No way. Fine Gael already called dibs on merging with the DUP.
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Re: A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.
« Reply #1833 on: December 18, 2017, 09:19:07 PM »
If you believe Tony they'll want stricter limits on abortion and the abolition of same sex marriage.
The future All Ireland political entity will be a Confederation of two semi autonomous areas - present 26 and 6 Cos.
The terms of the GFA will continue to apply in the 6 Cos e.g Dual Irish and British citizenship (if "Britain"still exists then).
What's the point then? Doesn't sound much different to current  situation.
All Ireland will be a sovereign State.
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« Reply #1834 on: December 18, 2017, 09:30:59 PM »
To a certain extent, they’re putting the bigger picture before the party because that is exactly how it would be seen by unionists. As you well know. I’m also doubtful as to how successful they would be up here unless they merged with the DUP.

No way. Fine Gael already called dibs on merging with the DUP.

Oops! Meant to say SDLP.

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« Reply #1835 on: December 18, 2017, 10:17:51 PM »
To a certain extent, they’re putting the bigger picture before the party because that is exactly how it would be seen by unionists. As you well know. I’m also doubtful as to how successful they would be up here unless they merged with the DUP.

No way. Fine Gael already called dibs on merging with the DUP.

Oops! Meant to say SDLP.

Is there a difference?? ;)
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« Reply #1836 on: December 19, 2017, 10:35:20 AM »
Last Lucid Talk poll showed Unionism 1 point ahead of Nationalism with 10% or so alliance.

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« Reply #1837 on: December 19, 2017, 11:33:41 AM »
I refer you all to questio 5 , you`ll have to scroll down a bit :

http://lucidtalk.co.uk/images/News/LTDec17TrackerPoll-GUENGLProjectReportF.pdf

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« Reply #1838 on: December 19, 2017, 05:21:21 PM »
https://ianjamesparsley.wordpress.com/2017/12/19/dup-destroy-the-union-party/

I would agree with much of this article in the sense that the DUP is run by middle class wealthy educated people yet it preys on the fears and insecurities of ordinary working class protestants and is able to maintain the status quo by continuing to do so. It's as much about power, domination, control and personal status as it is about their own people's daily lives for many of these charlatans.   

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« Reply #1839 on: December 29, 2017, 01:01:16 PM »
For the benefit of those who claim to be Nationalists but are stuck in a partitioning mindset and also stuck in the 19 30s -
The Irish Free State went out of existence EIGHTY YEARS AGO today.

#OTD in Irish History – 29 December:  stairnaheireann.net
Constitution Day (Ireland)


1937 – The new Constitution of Ireland (Bunreacht na hÉireann) repealed the 1922 Constitution, and came into effect on this date, after having been passed by a national plebiscite the previous July.

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« Reply #1840 on: December 29, 2017, 01:37:22 PM »
Interesting poll yesterday.
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.     “If it cost the Irish government €9 billion per annum for Northern Ireland to unite with the Republic of Ireland, how would you vote in relation to a referendum on a United Ireland?”

60-40 in favor

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/897526/brexit-irish-border-poll-united-ireland
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T Fearon

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Re: A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.
« Reply #1841 on: December 29, 2017, 01:59:52 PM »
More wasted discussion on something that will never happen.

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« Reply #1842 on: December 29, 2017, 03:03:56 PM »
More wasted discussion on something that will never happen.

It will certainly happen, just a matter of when. Brexit has made it more likely to happen much sooner than previously expected. It might take 10 years or it might be 40 but it will inevitably happen.

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Re: A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.
« Reply #1843 on: December 29, 2017, 03:07:33 PM »
More wasted discussion on something that will never happen.
Like discussing what will or won’t gain you entry into heaven.


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« Reply #1844 on: December 29, 2017, 03:34:28 PM »
For the benefit of those who claim to be Nationalists but are stuck in a partitioning mindset and also stuck in the 19 30s -
The Irish Free State went out of existence EIGHTY YEARS AGO today.

#OTD in Irish History – 29 December:  stairnaheireann.net
Constitution Day (Ireland)


1937 – The new Constitution of Ireland (Bunreacht na hÉireann) repealed the 1922 Constitution, and came into effect on this date, after having been passed by a national plebiscite the previous July.

Sure - we were completely sold down the river in December 1921. So those bits afterwards don't matter that much.