Man Utd Thread:

[Ed Ricketts]

Ole may well be out of his depth but it does't matter who's in charge of this lot at the moment.

That logic is a problem. If we're supposed to believe that the club is in the early days of a 'reset' or change of direction, then it is fundamentally important that the right man is in charge driving that change. But other than two months of decent football at the start of the year, Solskjaer has nothing in his entire managerial career that suggests he possesses the abilities to turn a ship the size of Manchester United around.

Another fundamental that must be in place if the club is to change its fortunes is the coaching set up. Top clubs have world class coaches with excellent CVs. United are way behind their rivals in this area, and it shows. The current first team coaches are:

Phelan - Fergie's coneman, who was plucked out of semi-retirement in Australia for little more than nostalgic reasons.
McKenna - A young coach taken from the academy. A novice.
Carrick - A former player with no coaching experience. Even more of a novice.
Dempsey - Solskjaer's man, with little experience coaching outside of Scandinavia.

How many United players have improved in the last 12 months? McTominay, maybe. How many have appreciably regressed? De Gea, Lindelof, Dalot, Lingard, Rashford, etc., etc. This is down to coaching. And to bring it back to Solskjaer, why would any top coaches want to come work for a manager doomed to failure?

[Boycey]

It depends whether you believe the club is in the early days of a reset or not really and for my money we arent...

Managers, coaches and players arent the root of the issue and nothing changes much with each passing manager does it?

[thewobbler]

Ole may well be out of his depth but it does't matter who's in charge of this lot at the moment.

That logic is a problem. If we're supposed to believe that the club is in the early days of a 'reset' or change of direction, then it is fundamentally important that the right man is in charge driving that change. But other than two months of decent football at the start of the year, Solskjaer has nothing in his entire managerial career that suggests he possesses the abilities to turn a ship the size of Manchester United around.

Another fundamental that must be in place if the club is to change its fortunes is the coaching set up. Top clubs have world class coaches with excellent CVs. United are way behind their rivals in this area, and it shows. The current first team coaches are:

Phelan - Fergie's coneman, who was plucked out of semi-retirement in Australia for little more than nostalgic reasons.
McKenna - A young coach taken from the academy. A novice.
Carrick - A former player with no coaching experience. Even more of a novice.
Dempsey - Solskjaer's man, with little experience coaching outside of Scandinavia.

How many United players have improved in the last 12 months? McTominay, maybe. How many have appreciably regressed? De Gea, Lindelof, Dalot, Lingard, Rashford, etc., etc. This is down to coaching. And to bring it back to Solskjaer, why would any top coaches want to come work for a manager doomed to failure?

It's been United's problem since Fergie. Name one player who has clearly improved in his time at United since Fergie stepped down. There is a culture of underachievement.

[Ed Ricketts]

It depends whether you believe the club is in the early days of a reset or not really and for my money we arent...

Managers, coaches and players arent the root of the issue and nothing changes much with each passing manager does it?

Yep, that probably explains it all. Why United supporters aren't more furious about this situation is beyond me. Maybe the rot has set in there too.

[From the Bunker]

Look at Chelsea. They have the proven model.  Claudio Ranieri, José Mourinho, Guus Hiddink, Luiz Felipe Scolari, Avram Grant, Carlo Ancelotti, André Villas-Boas, Roberto Di Matteo, Rafael Benítez, Antonio Conte and Maurizio Sarri. All these Managers in a short space of time. Chelsea go for proven quality, they just don't pluck a former legend out of nowhere and hope for the best. Some don't do well and are replaced. Some do well and are replaced. Good  players stay at the club despite the many changes in Management. No manager is bigger than the club.

[From the Bunker]

Look at Chelsea. They have the proven model.  Claudio Ranieri, José Mourinho, Guus Hiddink, Luiz Felipe Scolari, Avram Grant, Carlo Ancelotti, André Villas-Boas, Roberto Di Matteo, Rafael Benítez, Antonio Conte and Maurizio Sarri. All these Managers in a short space of time. Chelsea go for proven quality, they just don't pluck a former legend out of nowhere and hope for the best. Some don't do well and are replaced. Some do well and are replaced. Good  players stay at the club despite the many changes in Management. No manager is bigger than the club.

They currently have a former legend plucked from nowhere. And they're shit.
Bad example.

Which club do you see turning around their fortunes quicker?

[From the Bunker]

I don't know.
It's just you said that Chelsea are a good example of a team that the doesn't just pluck a random club legend out of nowhere and hope for the best.
I believe Frank Lampard fits that description better than anyone else.

True but in the main (up to now) and except Di Matteo, Chelsea have gone for the Top experienced coach.

[From the Bunker]

It's not as if Man Utd haven't tried any of the "Top experienced" coaches. They have.

True! And they've horsed the two out despite winning trophies! Maybe they have adapted the Chelsea model!

[Farrandeelin]

FtB doesn't do sarcasm well enough hardstation. He's a LFC fan, spouting shite on this thread always.

[From the Bunker]

Liverpool - another club with form of plucking club legends/bum managers from nowhere. Kenny Dalglish.

True, although he did win Football League First Division: 1985–86, 1987–88, 1989–90 and FA Cup: 1985–86, 1988–89 back in the day. Better than a novice who's only other achievement in the Premiership was relegation with Cardiff. I suppose the lesson is don't look to unproven legends to change your circumstances.

[Boycey]

U lost this encounter early on From the Bunker it can't be clawed back, keep your dignity and let it go 

[From the Bunker]

U lost this encounter early on From the Bunker it can't be clawed back, keep your dignity and let it go 

I conceeded it a long time ago! The lads just dragged it out! 

[From the Bunker]

FtB doesn't do sarcasm well enough hardstation. He's a LFC fan, spouting shite on this thread always.

On a separate note Farr. Was down in Knockmore for the Annual Jackie McLoughlin under 10 Tournament  a fortnight ago. Very well run Blitz. Nicely printed program, well marked pitches, and a proper competition that grades the team entered evenly. Well done to all involved. 

[laoislad]

Time to get Big Sam in chaps, at this rate ye will be in a relegation fight soon enough.....

[BennyCake]

I can't see Ole lasting much longer. It's not all his fault though. That squad is a joke.