European Leagues.

[Armagh18]

Messi wins a 7th Ballon d'Or.

Ledwindowski looks pissed!

rightly so. lewandowski definitely should've got it.

No he shouldn't have. Last year maybe, not this year.
Ronaldo fans be fuming tonight.

last year and this year and it's not even a debate. Messi was embarrassed to win it.

Last year maybe but not this year. The only thing Lewandowski had over Messi was that he scored more goals, you can put that down to Barcelona being shit. Messi was superior in everything else. Then in international football captained Argentina to Cop America winning player of the tournament, most goals and most assists. Lewandowski did nothing for Poland.
Messi a clear winner.

So you can put Messi's lack of goals down to Barca being shite but that then doesn't fly for Lewandowski and Poland? Messi won a tournament in a 2 horse race

That's doesn't make sense.
You're comparing Messi's club goals down to Lewandowski's international career. I didn't make that comparison, you did.
Messi didn't win a tournament in a two horse race. Argentina weren't one of the horses you speak of, as they haven't won that competition since 1995. An incredible achievement. In fact, Lewandowski probably had more chance to win the euros than Messi has had to win copa America given the time since they last won it.

Poland have more chance of winning the Euros than Argentina have of winning Copa America?

Hope that's sarcasm. Poland are about as likely to win the Euro's as they are the Sam Maguire and 6 nations.

Just like Denmark and Greece then?
Argentina hadn't won it since early 90s, so yes they had just as much if not a better chance to win euros given that there was no standout team. An incredible achievement and Messi dragged them to it.

They won a 2 horse race against a team with Fred in it.

[GiveItToTheShooters]

Messi wins a 7th Ballon d'Or.

Ledwindowski looks pissed!

rightly so. lewandowski definitely should've got it.

No he shouldn't have. Last year maybe, not this year.
Ronaldo fans be fuming tonight.

last year and this year and it's not even a debate. Messi was embarrassed to win it.

Last year maybe but not this year. The only thing Lewandowski had over Messi was that he scored more goals, you can put that down to Barcelona being shit. Messi was superior in everything else. Then in international football captained Argentina to Cop America winning player of the tournament, most goals and most assists. Lewandowski did nothing for Poland.
Messi a clear winner.

So you can put Messi's lack of goals down to Barca being shite but that then doesn't fly for Lewandowski and Poland? Messi won a tournament in a 2 horse race

That's doesn't make sense.
You're comparing Messi's club goals down to Lewandowski's international career. I didn't make that comparison, you did.
Messi didn't win a tournament in a two horse race. Argentina weren't one of the horses you speak of, as they haven't won that competition since 1995. An incredible achievement. In fact, Lewandowski probably had more chance to win the euros than Messi has had to win copa America given the time since they last won it.

Poland have more chance of winning the Euros than Argentina have of winning Copa America?

Hope that's sarcasm. Poland are about as likely to win the Euro's as they are the Sam Maguire and 6 nations.

Just like Denmark and Greece then?
Argentina hadn't won it since early 90s, so yes they had just as much if not a better chance to win euros given that there was no standout team. An incredible achievement and Messi dragged them to it.

They won a 2 horse race against a team with Fred in it.

Argentina weren't in that horse race.

[gawa316]

Not many coming out in support of Messi

[Captain Obvious]

Not many coming out in support of Messi

Jurgen Klopp on Lionel Messi after he won the 2021 Ballon d'Or, an excellent player, but struggled to see how anyone else could win the trophy if Robert Lewandowski didn't get it this time.

"I think you can always give it to Lionel Messi for the career that he's had, for the footballer he is. All these kinds of things but if you don't give it to Robert Lewandowski then it's quite tricky to get it at all."

Messi's victory wasn't the only position that concerned Klopp, however.

When asked about Mo Salah coming seventh in the Ballon d'Or, behind the likes of Chelsea duo Jorginho and N'Golo Kante. he admitted that he was surprised with the rankings, believing Salah should have received a higher spot. "About his position? I was surprised, to be honest, but it's not in my hands, I think I saw the vote somewhere... Almost definitely should have been higher up."

While Klopp would have made a few changes if he was putting the list together, he blamed the journalists asking the questions and appealed to them to influence their colleagues if they wanted a different result.

"I don't even know exactly. The Ballon d'Or, is it the journalists that vote? Yeah, then you don't have to ask me, it's your fault. That's how it is, you are the journalists.

"If you think he should be higher up then you will have to convince your colleagues. I'm really not sure about it, what it is, 100 per cent."

[Taylor]

Messi wins a 7th Ballon d'Or.

Ledwindowski looks pissed!

rightly so. lewandowski definitely should've got it.

No he shouldn't have. Last year maybe, not this year.
Ronaldo fans be fuming tonight.

last year and this year and it's not even a debate. Messi was embarrassed to win it.

Last year maybe but not this year. The only thing Lewandowski had over Messi was that he scored more goals, you can put that down to Barcelona being shit. Messi was superior in everything else. Then in international football captained Argentina to Cop America winning player of the tournament, most goals and most assists. Lewandowski did nothing for Poland.
Messi a clear winner.

So you can put Messi's lack of goals down to Barca being shite but that then doesn't fly for Lewandowski and Poland? Messi won a tournament in a 2 horse race

That's doesn't make sense.
You're comparing Messi's club goals down to Lewandowski's international career. I didn't make that comparison, you did.
Messi didn't win a tournament in a two horse race. Argentina weren't one of the horses you speak of, as they haven't won that competition since 1995. An incredible achievement. In fact, Lewandowski probably had more chance to win the euros than Messi has had to win copa America given the time since they last won it.

Whao.....just whao

Whao? What are you Chinese?

You have said Poland had a better chance of winning the Euros than 2/1 shot Argentina.

Hardly matter what my nationality is - does it?

[GiveItToTheShooters]

Messi wins a 7th Ballon d'Or.

Ledwindowski looks pissed!

rightly so. lewandowski definitely should've got it.

No he shouldn't have. Last year maybe, not this year.
Ronaldo fans be fuming tonight.

last year and this year and it's not even a debate. Messi was embarrassed to win it.

Last year maybe but not this year. The only thing Lewandowski had over Messi was that he scored more goals, you can put that down to Barcelona being shit. Messi was superior in everything else. Then in international football captained Argentina to Cop America winning player of the tournament, most goals and most assists. Lewandowski did nothing for Poland.
Messi a clear winner.

So you can put Messi's lack of goals down to Barca being shite but that then doesn't fly for Lewandowski and Poland? Messi won a tournament in a 2 horse race

That's doesn't make sense.
You're comparing Messi's club goals down to Lewandowski's international career. I didn't make that comparison, you did.
Messi didn't win a tournament in a two horse race. Argentina weren't one of the horses you speak of, as they haven't won that competition since 1995. An incredible achievement. In fact, Lewandowski probably had more chance to win the euros than Messi has had to win copa America given the time since they last won it.

Whao.....just whao

Whao? What are you Chinese?

You have said Poland had a better chance of winning the Euros than 2/1 shot Argentina.

Hardly matter what my nationality is - does it?

Odds are irrelevant. Denmark and Greece can vouch for that.
Yea they probably did. Argentina hadn't won it in nearly 30 years.
Just funny you started writing Chinese there. It's usually "wow" to anybody else.

[Main Street]

Messi had an outstanding year for club and country but Lewandowski in almost everybody's opinion would have won it last year and did enough this year, that if he had won the ballon d'or not many would've batted an eyelid.
Klopp is obviously biased but sometimes you can be both biased and correct, when he expressed surprise about Mo Salah's lowly top 10 finish. Is there even a Liverpool supporter who would swop Salah for the venerable Lewandowski?

[Nanderson]

Messi wins a 7th Ballon d'Or.

Ledwindowski looks pissed!

rightly so. lewandowski definitely should've got it.

No he shouldn't have. Last year maybe, not this year.
Ronaldo fans be fuming tonight.

last year and this year and it's not even a debate. Messi was embarrassed to win it.

Last year maybe but not this year. The only thing Lewandowski had over Messi was that he scored more goals, you can put that down to Barcelona being shit. Messi was superior in everything else. Then in international football captained Argentina to Cop America winning player of the tournament, most goals and most assists. Lewandowski did nothing for Poland.
Messi a clear winner.

So you can put Messi's lack of goals down to Barca being shite but that then doesn't fly for Lewandowski and Poland? Messi won a tournament in a 2 horse race

That's doesn't make sense.
You're comparing Messi's club goals down to Lewandowski's international career. I didn't make that comparison, you did.
Messi didn't win a tournament in a two horse race. Argentina weren't one of the horses you speak of, as they haven't won that competition since 1995. An incredible achievement. In fact, Lewandowski probably had more chance to win the euros than Messi has had to win copa America given the time since they last won it.

Whao.....just whao

Whao? What are you Chinese?

You have said Poland had a better chance of winning the Euros than 2/1 shot Argentina.

Hardly matter what my nationality is - does it?

Odds are irrelevant. Denmark and Greece can vouch for that.
Yea they probably did. Argentina hadn't won it in nearly 30 years.
Just funny you started writing Chinese there. It's usually "wow" to anybody else.

But sure Poland have never won the Euros before so in line with your argument that puts them at even more of a disadvantage than Argentina in the Copa America

[GiveItToTheShooters]

Messi wins a 7th Ballon d'Or.

Ledwindowski looks pissed!

rightly so. lewandowski definitely should've got it.

No he shouldn't have. Last year maybe, not this year.
Ronaldo fans be fuming tonight.

last year and this year and it's not even a debate. Messi was embarrassed to win it.

Last year maybe but not this year. The only thing Lewandowski had over Messi was that he scored more goals, you can put that down to Barcelona being shit. Messi was superior in everything else. Then in international football captained Argentina to Cop America winning player of the tournament, most goals and most assists. Lewandowski did nothing for Poland.
Messi a clear winner.

So you can put Messi's lack of goals down to Barca being shite but that then doesn't fly for Lewandowski and Poland? Messi won a tournament in a 2 horse race

That's doesn't make sense.
You're comparing Messi's club goals down to Lewandowski's international career. I didn't make that comparison, you did.
Messi didn't win a tournament in a two horse race. Argentina weren't one of the horses you speak of, as they haven't won that competition since 1995. An incredible achievement. In fact, Lewandowski probably had more chance to win the euros than Messi has had to win copa America given the time since they last won it.

Whao.....just whao

Whao? What are you Chinese?

You have said Poland had a better chance of winning the Euros than 2/1 shot Argentina.

Hardly matter what my nationality is - does it?

Odds are irrelevant. Denmark and Greece can vouch for that.
Yea they probably did. Argentina hadn't won it in nearly 30 years.
Just funny you started writing Chinese there. It's usually "wow" to anybody else.

But sure Poland have never won the Euros before so in line with your argument that puts them at even more of a disadvantage than Argentina in the Copa America

Not really an "argument", as no one can say for sure, however neither had Denmark, Greece or Portugal until they won it. The fact is that Argentina haven't been good enough to win it in nearly 30 years. And Messi brought them to it.

[Armagh18]

Not quoting that again but look at the level of teams and players in Europe vs South america. Look at how many teams from Europe would be fancied to win a world cup vs the amount of SA ones.

Look at Poland vs Argentinas pedigrees in international tournaments and the players both have produced historically and recently.

[GiveItToTheShooters]

Not sure what your point is there. Inferring that Argentina has better tournament pedigree but European teams are better? A whole lot of words to say nothing at all.
"Pedigree" doesn't win you titles. The best player in the world does.

[SHEEDY]

On a different note, 'all or nothing' juventus is a good watch, good insight into training and behind the scenes with juventus last season.

[Captain Obvious]

Dortmund's Jude Bellingham view on the referee after their match against Bayern Munich tonight will likely get him sanctioned.

[Captain Obvious]

Looks like Group E was the real group of death in the Champions league with Barcelona on route to making their exit.

[Milltown Row2]

City h go it it tough tonight