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My team as of 1/9/14

1. Paul Durcan (Donegal)
2. Keith Higgins (Mayo)
3. Neil McGee (Donegal)
4. Paddy McGrath (Donegal)
5. Colm Boyle (Mayo)
6. Peter Crowley (Kerry)
7. Frank McGlynn (Donegal)
8. David Moran (Kerry)
9. Odhran MacNiallis (Donegal)
10. Paul Flynn (Dublin)
11. Aidan O'Shea (Mayo)
12. Diarmuid Connolly (Dublin)
13. Cillian O'Connor (Mayo)
14. Michael Murphy (Donegal)
15. James O'Donoghue (Kerry)

1. P Durcan (Donegal)
2. A Mallon (Armagh)
3. N McGee (Donegal)
4. K Higgins (Mayo)
5. P Crowley (Kerry)
6. C Boyle (Mayo)
7. F McGlynn (Donegal)
8. N Gallagher (Donegal)
9. D Moran (Kerry)
10. R McHugh (Donegal)
11. P Flynn (Dublin)
12. D Connolly (Dublin)
13. C O Connor (Mayo)
14. M Murphy (Donegal)
15. J O Donoghue (Kerry)

One memorable performance in Croker is usually enough to get you an All star. Ryan McHugh will get one so.

Someone hasn't been watching the championship closely.

Quote from: BennyCake on September 01, 2014, 10:03:13 PM
One memorable performance in Croker is usually enough to get you an All star. Ryan McHugh will get one so.

Being Man of the Match in the Ulster final won't do him any harm either.

Some going for a 20 year old.

1. P Durcan (Donegal)
2. P McGrath (Donegal
3. N McGee (Donegal)
4. K Higgins (Mayo)
5. P Crowley (Kerry)
6. C Boyle (Mayo)
7. F McGlynn (Donegal)
8. N Gallagher (Donegal)
9. D Moran (Kerry)
10. R McHugh (Donegal)
11. P Flynn (Dublin)
12. D Connolly (Dublin)
13. C O Connor (Mayo)
14. M Murphy (Donegal)
15. J O Donoghue (Kerry)

Quote from: BluestackBoy on September 01, 2014, 11:17:17 PM
1. P Durcan (Donegal)
2. P McGrath (Donegal
3. N McGee (Donegal)
4. K Higgins (Mayo)
5. P Crowley (Kerry)
6. C Boyle (Mayo)
7. F McGlynn (Donegal)
8. N Gallagher (Donegal)
9. D Moran (Kerry)
10. R McHugh (Donegal)
11. P Flynn (Dublin)
12. D Connolly (Dublin)
13. C O Connor (Mayo)
14. M Murphy (Donegal)
15. J O Donoghue (Kerry)

Good team. That full forward off Armagh whose names escpaes me is desperately unlcuky IMO. I mean if your judging a full forward on conventional full forward play he should be ahead of Murphy IMO. Of course if Doanghy has a big one in the final he'll get one in time honoured allstar form.

Stefan Campbell? Or was it Forker?

Good player.

Good shouts for the team here so far but I think the final could change a lot of the real selection as it normally does. I think it will be a one point final like last year so I would expect the team to be dominated by the finalists. Cillian O' Connor is probably close to an all star but I don't think any Mayo inside forward has a chance at an all star till we win Sam so I can't see him being selected.I think Keith will be our only all star this year with Boyler just losing out.

If I was to pick an Armagh player to get one for me it would be Tony Kernan as I thought he had a great championship overall. Shane Walsh should get a nomination and don't forget Colm O' Neill as well! Drew Wylie and Mone could be in with a shout and I have to mention Keoghan from our old friends Meath although he is brilliant every year so will probably get the nod when the Royal are a bit more competitive.

Quote from: INDIANA on September 01, 2014, 11:22:48 PM

Quote from: BluestackBoy on September 01, 2014, 11:17:17 PM
1. P Durcan (Donegal)
2. P McGrath (Donegal
3. N McGee (Donegal)
4. K Higgins (Mayo)
5. P Crowley (Kerry)
6. C Boyle (Mayo)
7. F McGlynn (Donegal)
8. N Gallagher (Donegal)
9. D Moran (Kerry)
10. R McHugh (Donegal)
11. P Flynn (Dublin)
12. D Connolly (Dublin)
13. C O Connor (Mayo)
14. M Murphy (Donegal)
15. J O Donoghue (Kerry)

Good team. That full forward off Armagh whose names escpaes me is desperately unlcuky IMO. I mean if your judging a full forward on conventional full forward play he should be ahead of Murphy IMO. Of course if Doanghy has a big one in the final he'll get one in time honoured allstar form.

Would you be talking about Jamie Clarke by any chance Indiana?

I agree he is a great player & has been a star for Armagh for years but it is not often that Q/F teams get All Star places which is why I didn't pick them. All the players I picked have performed consistently well in every game and shone in some. If you have an off day then you are toast!!

If an Armagh player is to get picked it is between Andy Mallon, Tony Kernan and Stefan Campbell. Jamie Clarke played well but not to the level of these three. If I was to pick one it would be Mallon.

Cillian O Connor is a shoe-in Crete as well as Higgins. Boyle has a big chance too. Not Aidan O Se s fault he was concussed either. He was a warrior in big games. And a leader. Not sure Flynn and Connolly did enough against Donegal when it mattered. They were excellent against the lower division teams though. I mean Jason Doherty kicked some massive scores this years but nobody talking about all stars there, like.

Quote from: moysider on September 02, 2014, 12:26:33 AM
Cillian O Connor is a shoe-in Crete as well as Higgins. Boyle has a big chance too. Not Aidan O Se s fault he was concussed either. He was a warrior in big games. And a leader. Not sure Flynn and Connolly did enough against Donegal when it mattered. They were excellent against the lower division teams though. I mean Jason Doherty kicked some massive scores this years but nobody talking about all stars there, like.

No chance for O'Se or Boyle. It's usually 6 to the winners and 4 to the losers. Dublin will get two Connolly and Cluxton. There will be a wild card. That leaves two. Higgins has a good chance and Cillian and that's about it!

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Quote from: moysider on September 02, 2014, 12:26:33 AM
Cillian O Connor is a shoe-in Crete as well as Higgins. Boyle has a big chance too. Not Aidan O Se s fault he was concussed either. He was a warrior in big games. And a leader. Not sure Flynn and Connolly did enough against Donegal when it mattered. They were excellent against the lower division teams though. I mean Jason Doherty kicked some massive scores this years but nobody talking about all stars there, like.

No chance for O'Se or Boyle. It's usually 6 to the winners and 4 to the losers. Dublin will get two Connolly and Cluxton. There will be a wild card. That leaves two. Higgins has a good chance and Cillian and that's about it!

Providin Durcan has a good final then I can't see Cluxton getting the nod.

He had a poor enough game yesterday, shipping three goals, missing with two place kicks & some of his kick outs were picked off too.

Don't get me wrong, I am a big admirer of his & he has revolutionised the keeper's job but with places for semi finalists at a premium, yesterday will tell against him.

Quote from: From the Bunker on September 02, 2014, 12:34:07 AM

Quote from: moysider on September 02, 2014, 12:26:33 AM
Cillian O Connor is a shoe-in Crete as well as Higgins. Boyle has a big chance too. Not Aidan O Se s fault he was concussed either. He was a warrior in big games. And a leader. Not sure Flynn and Connolly did enough against Donegal when it mattered. They were excellent against the lower division teams though. I mean Jason Doherty kicked some massive scores this years but nobody talking about all stars there, like.

No chance for O'Se or Boyle. It's usually 6 to the winners and 4 to the losers. Dublin will get two Connolly and Cluxton. There will be a wild card. That leaves two. Higgins has a good chance and Cillian and that's about it!

Donegal won eight two years ago, so I guess it depends on how impressive the winners of the final are too. If its a close game, it will be 6-4 or 6-5, with the 3 or 4 between Dublin and Mayo and maybe a nod for another impressive player or two from earlier in the championship.

If Donegal win, Durkin will take the goalkeeping award, especially if he keeps a clean sheet and continues to impress from kick-outs.

Would be amazed if there's more than one All-Star from teams that didn't make the AISFs this year. I think it's quite likely there will be none, particularly given none of the losing quarter-finalists won their province and that's usually what nets one of them an All-Star.

Quote from: BluestackBoy on September 01, 2014, 11:17:17 PM
1. P Durcan (Donegal)
2. P McGrath (Donegal
3. N McGee (Donegal)
4. K Higgins (Mayo)
5. P Crowley (Kerry)
6. C Boyle (Mayo)
7. F McGlynn (Donegal)
8. N Gallagher (Donegal)
9. D Moran (Kerry)
10. R McHugh (Donegal)
11. P Flynn (Dublin)
12. D Connolly (Dublin)
13. C O Connor (Mayo)
14. M Murphy (Donegal)
15. J O Donoghue (Kerry)

I don't think you'll be too far away here. Hard to see anyone else from the semi-finalists coming into contention now, while COC, Higgins, Connolly and Flynn are nailed on. In fact the 6 forwards are nailed on. The likes of Donaghy or Lacey might have a say yet, but one or the other would need to be MOTM in the final.

Quote from: thewobbler on September 02, 2014, 08:14:26 AM

Quote from: BluestackBoy on September 01, 2014, 11:17:17 PM
1. P Durcan (Donegal)
2. P McGrath (Donegal
3. N McGee (Donegal)
4. K Higgins (Mayo)
5. P Crowley (Kerry)
6. C Boyle (Mayo)
7. F McGlynn (Donegal)
8. N Gallagher (Donegal)
9. D Moran (Kerry)
10. R McHugh (Donegal)
11. P Flynn (Dublin)
12. D Connolly (Dublin)
13. C O Connor (Mayo)
14. M Murphy (Donegal)
15. J O Donoghue (Kerry)

I don't think you'll be too far away here. Hard to see anyone else from the semi-finalists coming into contention now, while COC, Higgins, Connolly and Flynn are nailed on. In fact the 6 forwards are nailed on. The likes of Donaghy or Lacey might have a say yet, but one or the other would need to be MOTM in the final.

Not disagreeing, but you have to go back to 2005 for the last year the team was exclusively picked from the semi finalists (and at that it was picked from three teams, with Cork getting none after being demolished by Kerry in the semi)

Quote from: thewobbler on September 02, 2014, 08:14:26 AM

Quote from: BluestackBoy on September 01, 2014, 11:17:17 PM
1. P Durcan (Donegal)
2. P McGrath (Donegal
3. N McGee (Donegal)
4. K Higgins (Mayo)
5. P Crowley (Kerry)
6. C Boyle (Mayo)
7. F McGlynn (Donegal)
8. N Gallagher (Donegal)
9. D Moran (Kerry)
10. R McHugh (Donegal)
11. P Flynn (Dublin)
12. D Connolly (Dublin)
13. C O Connor (Mayo)
14. M Murphy (Donegal)
15. J O Donoghue (Kerry)

I don't think you'll be too far away here. Hard to see anyone else from the semi-finalists coming into contention now, while COC, Higgins, Connolly and Flynn are nailed on. In fact the 6 forwards are nailed on. The likes of Donaghy or Lacey might have a say yet, but one or the other would need to be MOTM in the final.

That team will be fairly close alright I'd say. Meaningless awards though when all is said and done

Armagh might get one as well. And Shane Walsh could be an outlier.

Quote from: macdanger2 on September 02, 2014, 10:04:33 AM

Quote from: thewobbler on September 02, 2014, 08:14:26 AM

Quote from: BluestackBoy on September 01, 2014, 11:17:17 PM
1. P Durcan (Donegal)
2. P McGrath (Donegal
3. N McGee (Donegal)
4. K Higgins (Mayo)
5. P Crowley (Kerry)
6. C Boyle (Mayo)
7. F McGlynn (Donegal)
8. N Gallagher (Donegal)
9. D Moran (Kerry)
10. R McHugh (Donegal)
11. P Flynn (Dublin)
12. D Connolly (Dublin)
13. C O Connor (Mayo)
14. M Murphy (Donegal)
15. J O Donoghue (Kerry)

I don't think you'll be too far away here. Hard to see anyone else from the semi-finalists coming into contention now, while COC, Higgins, Connolly and Flynn are nailed on. In fact the 6 forwards are nailed on. The likes of Donaghy or Lacey might have a say yet, but one or the other would need to be MOTM in the final.

That team will be fairly close alright I'd say. Meaningless awards though when all is said and done

7 Donegal and 3 Kerry.

If Kerry beat Donegal I can't see it being 7-3 in favour of Donegal.

It wasn't that long ago that we were talking about Dublin getting 15.

If McFadden has a big final he will get one.

Charlie Vernon could get in for Armagh,had a great year playing in defence.  Odhran Mc Niallais if he has a big final will be in with a shout too having had a brilliant 1st year playing Championship football.

Goalie, number 2 or midfield not nailed on for donegal.

Aidan o'shea would have to be there or thereabouts.

Much depends on the final i guess.

Mcfadden has been poor this year by his standards though shown good character despite this. Couldn't see him getting one.

O'sullivan must be in with a shout.

Connolly has to get one. Some of his points on sunday were amazing and when other big names around him wilted he stood up.(apart from the wide at the end)

Quote from: imtommygunn on September 02, 2014, 10:54:02 AM


Connolly has to get one. Some of his points on sunday were amazing and when other big names around him wilted he stood up.(apart from the wide at the end)

Connolly deserves a nomination for Player of the Year, although O'Donoghue will and should get it. Himself and Flynn were the two best players on the pitch on Sunday.

Jaysis Sidney, two best Dublin players on the pitch. Thought Murphy was magnificent on sunday, McHugh did incredible damage and Neil Gallagher was brilliant. Key for Donegal was the other 12 played at a very high standard as well - no passengers.

Quote from: easytiger95 on September 02, 2014, 11:21:32 AM
Jaysis Sidney, two best Dublin players on the pitch. Thought Murphy was magnificent on sunday, McHugh did incredible damage and Neil Gallagher was brilliant. Key for Donegal was the other 12 played at a very high standard as well - no passengers.

I thought the performances of both Connolly and Flynn were above that produced by any individual Donegal player. That's a reflection of Donegal's performance being a total, system-based team effort and Dublin's performance not being that and relying on individuals to try and pull them through.

Quote from: orangeman on September 02, 2014, 10:24:13 AM

Quote from: macdanger2 on September 02, 2014, 10:04:33 AM

Quote from: thewobbler on September 02, 2014, 08:14:26 AM

Quote from: BluestackBoy on September 01, 2014, 11:17:17 PM
1. P Durcan (Donegal)
2. P McGrath (Donegal
3. N McGee (Donegal)
4. K Higgins (Mayo)
5. P Crowley (Kerry)
6. C Boyle (Mayo)
7. F McGlynn (Donegal)
8. N Gallagher (Donegal)
9. D Moran (Kerry)
10. R McHugh (Donegal)
11. P Flynn (Dublin)
12. D Connolly (Dublin)
13. C O Connor (Mayo)
14. M Murphy (Donegal)
15. J O Donoghue (Kerry)

I don't think you'll be too far away here. Hard to see anyone else from the semi-finalists coming into contention now, while COC, Higgins, Connolly and Flynn are nailed on. In fact the 6 forwards are nailed on. The likes of Donaghy or Lacey might have a say yet, but one or the other would need to be MOTM in the final.

That team will be fairly close alright I'd say. Meaningless awards though when all is said and done

7 Donegal and 3 Kerry.

If Kerry beat Donegal I can't see it being 7-3 in favour of Donegal.

It wasn't that long ago that we were talking about Dublin getting 15.

Agreed, That team was just picked on form up to now. If Kerry win the final then all will change

Quote from: Sidney on September 02, 2014, 11:12:16 AM

Quote from: imtommygunn on September 02, 2014, 10:54:02 AM


Connolly has to get one. Some of his points on sunday were amazing and when other big names around him wilted he stood up.(apart from the wide at the end)

Connolly deserves a nomination for Player of the Year, although O'Donoghue will and should get it. Himself and Flynn were the two best players on the pitch on Sunday.

No guarantees of anyone winning anything at the moment.

The final always has a huge bearing on the awards.

1 Darren O'Malley
2 Neil Collins
3 Niall Carty
4 Keith Higgins
5 Lee Keegan
6 Colm Boyle
7 Conor Daly
8 Aidan O'Shea
9 Kevin Higgins
10 Kevin McLoughlin
11 Shane Walsh
12 Cregger...........obviously
13 Senan
14 Andy
15 COC

Cregger and Andy for joint player of the year, no Kerry lads on it because they are not good enough to make the cut

Neither Carlow nor Longford ever won an Allstar.
This should be rectified this year .

Paddy Power odds.


Goalkeeper

Paul Durcan 2/5
Brian Kelly 5/2
Rory Beggan 4/1
Stephen Cluxton 7/1

Full Back

Keith Higgins 1/12   
Neil McGee 1/9   
Eamon McGee 6/4
Paddy McGrath 2/1   
Andy Mallon 10/3   
Paul Murphy 4/1
Drew Wylie 9/2
Aidan O Mahony 5/1   
Marc O'Se 7/1
Philip McMahon 7/1
Shane Enright 9/1


Half Backs

Karl Lacey 1/3
Frank McGlynn 2/5   
Colm Boyle evens   
Dessie Mone 3/1
Killian Young 9/4
Peter Crowley 9/4   
Fionn Fitzgerald 9/4
Anthony Thompson 7/2   
Lee Keegan 4/1
James McCarthy 5/1
Aaron Kernan 13/2

Midfielders

David Moran 1/3
Neil Gallagher 4/9
Aidan O'Shea 5/2
Johnny Buckley 9/2
Anthony Maher 9/2
Michael D MacAuley 5/1
Thomas Flynn 16/1

Half Forwards

Ryan McHugh 1/8
Diarmuid Connolly 3/10
Paul Flynn 3/10   
Odhran Mac Niallais 8/13
Donnchadh Walsh 8/15
Leo McLoone 9/1   
Shane Walsh 14/1
Stephen O Brien 16/1
Bryan Sheehan 16/1
Tony Kernan 25/1   
Kevin Dyas 25/1

Full Forwards

James O'Donoghue 1/500
Michael Murphy 1/10   
Cillian O'Connor 1/8   
Paul Geaney 9/2   
Declan O'Sullivan 11/2
Bernard Brogan 15/2   
Colm McFadden 8/1
Conor McManus 10/1   
Jamie Clarke 14/1
Paddy McBrearty 14/1
Colm O'Neill 25/1
Conor Sweeney 33/1

Quote from: Blowitupref on September 02, 2014, 10:50:23 PM
Half Backs
   
Dessie Mone 3/1

:o

Should not be in the equation.

if big star puts in a motm performane in all ireland final,  he will be in with a shout of one.  look at g canty 2010.

Quote from: SouthDublinBro on September 02, 2014, 11:04:54 PM

Quote from: Blowitupref on September 02, 2014, 10:50:23 PM
Half Backs
   
Dessie Mone 3/1

:o

Should not be in the equation.

Whats your problem with Dessie.? Probably our most consistent player all year but then again these awards wont be given out for that.

Monaghan simply don't deserve any all stars this year.

Quote from: SouthDublinBro on September 02, 2014, 11:41:36 PM
Monaghan simply don't deserve any all stars this year.

Granted we had a poor day out against dublin but Dessie was one of the few  that did o.k. that day. Six day turnaround after a very tough game the week before as well as Walsh picking up a serious injury early on didnt help. Not making excuses here but surely allstars should be awarded for the whole season and not on one poor day. We still managed to win div 2 . made the ulster final having beaten both tyrone and armagh on the way. Overall not a bad year,

Quote from: bridgegael on September 02, 2014, 11:23:48 PM
if big star puts in a motm performane in all ireland final,  he will be in with a shout of one.  look at g canty 2010.

If Star wins a MOTM award in the final having had 6 Donegal men hanging out of him all day, then I'd say he'll be in the running alright.

Quote from: Blowitupref on September 02, 2014, 10:50:23 PM
Paddy Power odds.


Goalkeeper

Paul Durcan 2/5
Brian Kelly 5/2
Rory Beggan 4/1
Stephen Cluxton 7/1

Full Back

Keith Higgins 1/12   
Neil McGee 1/9   
Eamon McGee 6/4
Paddy McGrath 2/1   
Andy Mallon 10/3   
Paul Murphy 4/1
Drew Wylie 9/2
Aidan O Mahony 5/1   
Marc O'Se 7/1
Philip McMahon 7/1
Shane Enright 9/1


Half Backs

Karl Lacey 1/3
Frank McGlynn 2/5   
Colm Boyle evens   
Dessie Mone 3/1
Killian Young 9/4
Peter Crowley 9/4   
Fionn Fitzgerald 9/4
Anthony Thompson 7/2   
Lee Keegan 4/1
James McCarthy 5/1
Aaron Kernan 13/2

Midfielders

David Moran 1/3
Neil Gallagher 4/9
Aidan O'Shea 5/2
Johnny Buckley 9/2
Anthony Maher 9/2
Michael D MacAuley 5/1
Thomas Flynn 16/1

Half Forwards

Ryan McHugh 1/8
Diarmuid Connolly 3/10
Paul Flynn 3/10   
Odhran Mac Niallais 8/13
Donnchadh Walsh 8/15
Leo McLoone 9/1   
Shane Walsh 14/1
Stephen O Brien 16/1
Bryan Sheehan 16/1
Tony Kernan 25/1   
Kevin Dyas 25/1

Full Forwards

James O'Donoghue 1/500
Michael Murphy 1/10   
Cillian O'Connor 1/8   
Paul Geaney 9/2   
Declan O'Sullivan 11/2
Bernard Brogan 15/2   
Colm McFadden 8/1
Conor McManus 10/1   
Jamie Clarke 14/1
Paddy McBrearty 14/1
Colm O'Neill 25/1
Conor Sweeney 33/1

Odds offered on Aaron when he couldn't get in the Armagh half back line? Probably speaks to the weakness in the process that is the press involvement and the help that doing a bit of meeja work adds

No odds on 'Star' with an AIF still to play?

So going purely by the odds, at this stage you'd be looking at 8 Donegal, 3 Mayo, 2 Kerry & 2 Dublin. Hardly seems a fair reflection of the season to date

Goalkeeper
Paul Durcan 2/5

Full Back
Keith Higgins 1/12   
Neil McGee 1/9   
Eamon McGee 6/4

Half Backs
Karl Lacey 1/3
Frank McGlynn 2/5   
Colm Boyle evens   

Midfielders
David Moran 1/3
Neil Gallagher 4/9

Half Forwards
Ryan McHugh 1/8
Diarmuid Connolly 3/10
Paul Flynn 3/10   

Full Forwards
James O'Donoghue 1/500
Michael Murphy 1/10   
Cillian O'Connor 1/8   

Quote from: SouthDublinBro on September 02, 2014, 11:04:54 PM

Quote from: Blowitupref on September 02, 2014, 10:50:23 PM
Half Backs
   
Dessie Mone 3/1

:o

Should not be in the equation.

you know little about football if you think Dessie Mone shouldnt be in the reckoning. Has been consistantly top class all year and while others were floundering, he kept on battling. Fierce competitor who rarely fails to deliver and fine footballer (ps, can be a right royal pain in the hole at times too)

James O Donoghue 1/500. The final hasn't even been played. He could have a mare. He could get food poisoning. Stupid odds.

JOD will get an AllStar regardless of how he plays in the final or even if he doesn't play. He's done more than enough v Cork. Galway, and Mayo twice to earn one.

A lot of these selections are picked on the current narrative. Donegal and their defensive solidity and quick breaking are being praised to high heaven and rightly so - that's where the McGees McHugh and Murphy will get theirs.
We don't know a whole lot of these Kerry boyos but like the fact they have a "marquee forward" we can work around - there goes O'Donoghue and a legends son playing well will surely land one - Moran. And as for Mayo - O'Connor and Higgins have consistently carried them through for the last few years. That's 8 gone, and the rest of the lads really is anyone's guess.

Surprising enough how few Dubs will end up with an Allstar - considering how one defeat can change views.

Here's my uneducated selection


Goalkeeper

Paul Durcan (Donegal)

Full Back

Keith Higgins (Mayo)   
Neil McGee (Donegal)
Eamon McGee (Donegal)

Half Backs

Frank McGlynn (Donegal)
Peter Crowley (Kerry)
Karl Lacey (Donegal)

Midfielders

David Moran (Kerry)
Neil Gallagher (Donegal)

Half Forwards

Ryan McHugh (Donegal)
Paul Flynn (Dublin)   
Donnchadh Walsh (Kerry)

Full Forwards

James O'Donoghue (Kerry)
Michael Murphy (Donegal)   
Cillian O'Connor (Mayo)

That would be 2 Mayo, 8 Donegal, 4 Kerry and 1 Dublin. I imagine depending on performances in the final that Flynn could lose out to Odhran Mac Niallais or a swap with Donagh coming in and Murphy moved out to centre forward.
I don't think anyone outside the semi-finalists have reached the levels we have seen in the last few weekends to be seriously considered.

The Sunday Game team of the year:
Paul Durcan (Donegal); Aidan O'Mahony (Kerry), Neill McGee (Donegal), Keith Higgins (Mayo); Paul Murphy (Kerry), Peter Crowley (Kerry), Colm Boyle (Mayo); David Moran (Kerry), Neil Gallagher (Donegal); Paul Flynn (Dublin), Diarmuid Connolly (Dublin), Ryan McHugh (Donegal); James O'Donoghue (Kerry), Michael Murphy (Donegal), Cillian O'Connor (Mayo)



Some notable absentees. One good game in the final shouldn't be enough to oust a man who has played the shirt off his back all year.

It will be interesting to see what the actual All Star team looks like relative to this.

If Durcan gets an All Star I'll be amazed.

Donaghy will get an All Star.

Without him, Kerry would not be champions.

Have to say the SG team picked isn't too bad.

Honestly can't see Durcan getting the gk spot after the AIF and neither will Cluxton after the AISF. A safe solid keeper will and should get it . No one sticks out though.

POTY imo should be Neil McGee but O'Donoghue would be a worthy winner as well and he will get it.

Quote from: Canalman on September 22, 2014, 11:04:10 AM
Have to say the SG team picked isn't too bad.

Honestly can't see Durcan getting the gk spot after the AIF and neither will Cluxton after the AISF. A safe solid keeper will and should get it . No one sticks out though.

POTY imo should be Neil McGee but O'Donoghue would be a worthy winner as well and he will get it.

Yeah, Durcan had two bad mistakes in the final which should rule him out. Cluxton didn't do much wrong though this year, so it will probably be him. Durcan will get a nomination though.

Quote from: Canalman on September 22, 2014, 11:04:10 AM
Have to say the SG team picked isn't too bad.

Honestly can't see Durcan getting the gk spot after the AIF and neither will Cluxton after the AISF. A safe solid keeper will and should get it . No one sticks out though.

POTY imo should be Neil McGee but O'Donoghue would be a worthy winner as well and he will get it.

McGee has been outstanding all year, his record against his direct opponents (all of whom were among the best players in the country) was outstanding. Conceded very little scores from play and popped up with a few points himself. O'Donoghue was poor yesterday but probably done just enough in previous games to edge the award.

Quote from: DuffleKing on September 03, 2014, 10:00:53 AM


Odds offered on Aaron when he couldn't get in the Armagh half back line? Probably speaks to the weakness in the process that is the press involvement and the help that doing a bit of meeja work adds

Kernan's superb man-marking job on his Dromintee opponent on Friday night will surely ensure his All-Star for this year.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bx7KEzZIUAAnu2H.jpg:large)

I think it's funny he's marking him. :)

Quote from: AZOffaly on September 22, 2014, 01:10:20 PM
I think it's funny he's marking him. :)

Reminds me of Keith Higgins man marking a torn hamstrung Eoghan o gara last year

Quote from: INDIANA on September 22, 2014, 01:29:41 PM

Quote from: AZOffaly on September 22, 2014, 01:10:20 PM
I think it's funny he's marking him. :)

Reminds me of Keith Higgins man marking a torn hamstrung Eoghan o gara last year

Ouch. Cruel.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/independentie-football-team-of-the-year-30605725.html

I would agree more with the independent's team than the sunday game's one. Marc O'Se we outstanding in the final - barely gave McFadden a kick - and always stood up when counted.

Not so sure about leaving Flynn out but think AIdan O'Shea has to be in there somewhere.

Would you have Ryan McHugh in your team before Paul Flynn?

Quote from: yellowcard on September 22, 2014, 12:33:07 PM

Quote from: Canalman on September 22, 2014, 11:04:10 AM
Have to say the SG team picked isn't too bad.

Honestly can't see Durcan getting the gk spot after the AIF and neither will Cluxton after the AISF. A safe solid keeper will and should get it . No one sticks out though.

POTY imo should be Neil McGee but O'Donoghue would be a worthy winner as well and he will get it.

McGee has been outstanding all year, his record against his direct opponents (all of whom were among the best players in the country) was outstanding. Conceded very little scores from play and popped up with a few points himself. O'Donoghue was poor yesterday but probably done just enough in previous games to edge the award.

JOD was far from poor on Sunday. Watch the game again. Was played a good distance out, dont think anyone had anymore possessions and he played killer passes for a few key scores. Has had a brilliant campaign but Connolly for me has been by some distance the player of the year

Quote from: imtommygunn on September 23, 2014, 09:13:08 AM
I would agree more with the independent's team than the sunday game's one. Marc O'Se we outstanding in the final - barely gave McFadden a kick - and always stood up when counted.

Not so sure about leaving Flynn out but think AIdan O'Shea has to be in there somewhere.

McFadden was brutal all year

McFadden could be out there now and he still wouldn't get a kick.

Quote from: orangeman on September 23, 2014, 12:16:18 AM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/independentie-football-team-of-the-year-30605725.html

No Cillian O'Connor!? That's insane.

Quote from: Tubberman on September 23, 2014, 09:45:43 AM

Quote from: orangeman on September 23, 2014, 12:16:18 AM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/independentie-football-team-of-the-year-30605725.html

No Cillian O'Connor!? That's insane.

not as insane as having Ryan McHugh in instead of Paul Flynn

Independent have Colm McFadden unlucky to miss out. That's the most insane.

Quote from: J OGorman on September 23, 2014, 09:36:18 AM

Quote from: yellowcard on September 22, 2014, 12:33:07 PM

Quote from: Canalman on September 22, 2014, 11:04:10 AM
Have to say the SG team picked isn't too bad.

Honestly can't see Durcan getting the gk spot after the AIF and neither will Cluxton after the AISF. A safe solid keeper will and should get it . No one sticks out though.

POTY imo should be Neil McGee but O'Donoghue would be a worthy winner as well and he will get it.

McGee has been outstanding all year, his record against his direct opponents (all of whom were among the best players in the country) was outstanding. Conceded very little scores from play and popped up with a few points himself. O'Donoghue was poor yesterday but probably done just enough in previous games to edge the award.

JOD was far from poor on Sunday. Watch the game again. Was played a good distance out, dont think anyone had anymore possessions and he played killer passes for a few key scores. Has had a brilliant campaign but Connolly for me has been by some distance the player of the year

It was hard enough to watch it once, but watch it again? No thanks! O'Donoghue's job is to score and he was outscored by his direct opponent Neil McGee. Connolly is the best player in the country but I think O'Donoghue done enough in games up until the final (albeit against some defensively naieve opponents) to win the POTY award. 

Johnny Buckley is a very under the radar footballer.

Quote from: yellowcard on September 23, 2014, 11:08:23 AM

Quote from: J OGorman on September 23, 2014, 09:36:18 AM

Quote from: yellowcard on September 22, 2014, 12:33:07 PM

Quote from: Canalman on September 22, 2014, 11:04:10 AM
Have to say the SG team picked isn't too bad.

Honestly can't see Durcan getting the gk spot after the AIF and neither will Cluxton after the AISF. A safe solid keeper will and should get it . No one sticks out though.

POTY imo should be Neil McGee but O'Donoghue would be a worthy winner as well and he will get it.

McGee has been outstanding all year, his record against his direct opponents (all of whom were among the best players in the country) was outstanding. Conceded very little scores from play and popped up with a few points himself. O'Donoghue was poor yesterday but probably done just enough in previous games to edge the award.

JOD was far from poor on Sunday. Watch the game again. Was played a good distance out, dont think anyone had anymore possessions and he played killer passes for a few key scores. Has had a brilliant campaign but Connolly for me has been by some distance the player of the year

It was hard enough to watch it once, but watch it again? No thanks! O'Donoghue's job is to score and he was outscored by his direct opponent Neil McGee. Connolly is the best player in the country but I think O'Donoghue done enough in games up until the final (albeit against some defensively naieve opponents) to win the POTY award.

Fair enough!

Quote from: yellowcard on September 23, 2014, 11:08:23 AM

Quote from: J OGorman on September 23, 2014, 09:36:18 AM

Quote from: yellowcard on September 22, 2014, 12:33:07 PM

Quote from: Canalman on September 22, 2014, 11:04:10 AM
Have to say the SG team picked isn't too bad.

Honestly can't see Durcan getting the gk spot after the AIF and neither will Cluxton after the AISF. A safe solid keeper will and should get it . No one sticks out though.

POTY imo should be Neil McGee but O'Donoghue would be a worthy winner as well and he will get it.

McGee has been outstanding all year, his record against his direct opponents (all of whom were among the best players in the country) was outstanding. Conceded very little scores from play and popped up with a few points himself. O'Donoghue was poor yesterday but probably done just enough in previous games to edge the award.

JOD was far from poor on Sunday. Watch the game again. Was played a good distance out, dont think anyone had anymore possessions and he played killer passes for a few key scores. Has had a brilliant campaign but Connolly for me has been by some distance the player of the year

It was hard enough to watch it once, but watch it again? No thanks! O'Donoghue's job is to score and he was outscored by his direct opponent Neil McGee. Connolly is the best player in the country but I think O'Donoghue done enough in games up until the final (albeit against some defensively naieve opponents) to win the POTY award.

O'Donoghue's job in that game wasn't to 'score'. It was to come out the field, get on the ball, and try leave space inside for Geaney and Donaghy. I'm sure Fitzmaurice knew that McGee would be on him, and it had the extra benefit of dragging him out the field so he couldn't get involved in stopping the others as well. I think O'Donoghue made a couple of bad decisions with the ball, but I wouldn't hold the fact that he didn't score against him. In fact I admire his willingness to do the dog work and let other be the hero this time around. A mark of maturity.

Quote from: imtommygunn on September 23, 2014, 09:13:08 AM
I would agree more with the independent's team than the sunday game's one. Marc O'Se we outstanding in the final - barely gave McFadden a kick - and always stood up when counted.

Not so sure about leaving Flynn out but think AIdan O'Shea has to be in there somewhere.

on ability yes but by god he one horrible hoor on the pitch,playacting,diving etc but he got his karma v kerry when he split himself shortly after trying to grab maher by the gonads (felt sorry for o'connor though)

He didn't try to grab him by the gonads.
He tried to pinch him.
Which, in a way, is much much worse.

Quote from: Jinxy on September 23, 2014, 04:09:12 PM
He didn't try to grab him by the gonads.
He tried to pinch him.
Which, in a way, is much much worse.

grab pinch,whatever way you look at it lowest of the low

Pinching someone's foot is the lowest of the low.

Quote from: Jinxy on September 23, 2014, 04:56:56 PM
Pinching someone's foot is the lowest of the low.

sole o

Gaa.ie team of the year...

http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/2409141426-gaaie-football-team-of-the-year/1

No Diarmuid Connolly, whats going on?

Michael Murphy midfield??

Connolly is a cert in that team.  Murphy shouldnt get a spot in midfield, be lucky enough to get a spot full stop. 

Quote from: nrico2006 on September 25, 2014, 11:37:09 AM
Connolly is a cert in that team.  Murphy shouldnt get a spot in midfield, be lucky enough to get a spot full stop.

Murphy will get an All Star, as will Donaghy. Non-finalists will make way, if necessary.  That's the way it always goes.

Why would Murphy be lucky to get an All Star?  Crap talk

No David Moran either  :o

Quote from: The Bearded One on September 25, 2014, 11:10:21 AM
No Diarmuid Connolly, whats going on?

the great GAA PR machine must have told the editorial team to throw in a couple of curve balls to get people talking.

Any team of the year without D Connolly is pretty much a farce

Quote from: J70 on September 25, 2014, 11:40:19 AM

Quote from: nrico2006 on September 25, 2014, 11:37:09 AM
Connolly is a cert in that team.  Murphy shouldnt get a spot in midfield, be lucky enough to get a spot full stop.

Murphy will get an All Star, as will Donaghy. Non-finalists will make way, if necessary.  That's the way it always goes.

Spot on.  I would just love to see the all stars based on the best players in each position, irrespective of whether their team got to a Munster Semi and beat in the next qualifier.  Shane Walsh had a year that should see him get one but he obviously wont due to Galways early exit.

Quote from: nrico2006 on September 25, 2014, 01:31:08 PM

Quote from: J70 on September 25, 2014, 11:40:19 AM

Quote from: nrico2006 on September 25, 2014, 11:37:09 AM
Connolly is a cert in that team.  Murphy shouldnt get a spot in midfield, be lucky enough to get a spot full stop.

Murphy will get an All Star, as will Donaghy. Non-finalists will make way, if necessary.  That's the way it always goes.

Spot on.  I would just love to see the all stars based on the best players in each position, irrespective of whether their team got to a Munster Semi and beat in the next qualifier.  Shane Walsh had a year that should see him get one but he obviously wont due to Galways early exit.

Walsh was far from the best CHF in the country this year.

Quote from: Syferus on September 25, 2014, 02:44:56 PM

Quote from: nrico2006 on September 25, 2014, 01:31:08 PM

Quote from: J70 on September 25, 2014, 11:40:19 AM

Quote from: nrico2006 on September 25, 2014, 11:37:09 AM
Connolly is a cert in that team.  Murphy shouldnt get a spot in midfield, be lucky enough to get a spot full stop.

Murphy will get an All Star, as will Donaghy. Non-finalists will make way, if necessary.  That's the way it always goes.

Spot on.  I would just love to see the all stars based on the best players in each position, irrespective of whether their team got to a Munster Semi and beat in the next qualifier.  Shane Walsh had a year that should see him get one but he obviously wont due to Galways early exit.

Walsh was far from the best CHF in the country this year.

He had a legitimate chance of getting an All-Star up to the quarter-final weekend. He was the leading scorer in the entire championship up to that point. Granted helped by 1-6 against London but then others have played some bad teams as well.

Unless you play in the semi-finals or final though you have very little chance of an All-Star unless you had an exceptional year before that. He'll get a nomination but not an award which is probably just about right.

The bookies odds for the All-stars

All Star football odds

Goalkeeper: Paul Durcan 1/2, Brian Kelly 2/1, Rory Beggan 7/2, Stephen Cluxton 9/2

Full backs: Neil McGee 1/33, Keith Higgins 1/33, Paul Murphy 1/5, Aidan O Mahony Evens, Eamon McGee 7/4, Drew Wylie 4/1, Andy Mallon 4/1, Marc O Se 5/1, Shane Enright 10/1, Philip McMahon 10/1, Paddy McGrath 14/1

Half backs: Peter Crowley 1/33, Colm Boyle 4/5, Frank McGlynn 5/4, Karl Lacey 2/1, Dessie Mone 4/1, Fionn Fitzgerald 7/2, Killian Young 4/1, Aaron Kernan 13/2, Lee Keegan 7/1, Anthony Thompson, 8/1, James McCarthy 10/1

Midfield: David Moran 1/16, Neil Gallagher 1/5, Aidan O'Shea Evens, Johnny Buckley 13/8, Anthony Maher 5/1, Michael Dara MacAuley 7/1, Thomas Flynn 16/1

Half forwards: Diarmuid Connolly 1/20, Paul Flynn 1/6, Ryan McHugh 4/7, Donnchadh Walsh 4/7, Odhran Mac Niallais 3/1, Leo McLoone 7/1, Shane Walsh 12/1, Bryan Sheehan 16/1, Stephen O'Brien 14/1, Kevin Dyas 25/1, Tony Kernan 25/1

Full forwards: James O'Donoghue 1/500, Michael Murphy 1/6, Cillian O'Connor 1/6, Kieran Donaghy 8/15, Paul Geaney 3/1, Declan O'Sullivan 7/1, Conor McManus 7/1, Bernard Brogan 10/1, Paddy McBrearty 14/1, Jamie Clarke 14/1, Colm McFadden 14/1, Colm O'Neill 25/1, Conor Sweeney 33/1

According to the bookies the team will be
1. Durcan - probable
2. Higgins - cert
3. N McGee - cert
4. P Murphy - cert
5. Crowley - cert
6. Boyle - maybe
7. Aidan O Mahony - maybe
8. Moran - cert
9. Gallagher - cert
10. Flynn - cert
11. Connolly - cert
12. Cillian O' Connor - cert
13. JOD - cert
14. M Murphy - cert
15. K. Donaghy - probable


The odds are very stingy actually. Even though they have five forwards as pretty much nailed on, the next 3 are Donaghy 8/15, Ryan McHugh 4/7 and Donnacha Walsh 4/7. Those are pretty horrible odds if it's a 3 horse race for the final spot in the forwards.

I like Michael Murphy, I think he's a very good footballer but I also believe he is a bit overrated, particularly by Ulster folk.
Connolly is the superior player at this point and that's coming from someone who didn't rate Connolly a few years ago as I thought he hadn't the temperament.

I don't see how you can put Murphy and Donaghy in the one team. In my view O'Connor and O'Donoghue have to get it in the full forward line. The other one should be between Murphy and Donaghy. Flynn and Connolly should be certs too.

The two finalists were more the "sum of their parts" as opposed to outstanding individuals so should be reflected on the all star team however that is unlikely...

Quote from: Jinxy on September 25, 2014, 03:11:57 PM
I like Michael Murphy, I think he's a very good footballer but I also believe he is a bit overrated, particularly by Ulster folk.
Connolly is the superior player at this point and that's coming from someone who didn't rate Connolly a few years ago as I thought he hadn't the temperament.

Probably doesn't help Murphy having to do as much donkey work out the field as he does. Would be interesting to see what he'd do if he was stationed a bit closer to goal.

As for Donaghy, normally you'd say a lad who played only two games would not really deserve an All-Star but the fact that he had such a big influence over the semi-final and final has to put him into the reckoning at least. Kerry almost certainly would not have won the All-Ireland without him.

I still don't think Cillian O' Connor will get one even though I think he deserves one because last year he finished top scorer in the championship , scored back to back hattricks in championship football and played 3 '1/2 games to achieve this but low and behold no Allstar!!

Connolly , Donnacha Walsh , Murphy, Donaghy, O' Donoughue and Aiden O' Shea ( he is our big name in the national meedja/Allstar committee men) but can't be picked for midfield this year!!) will be picked ahead of him I think

It did mean the hacks could roll out the marquee forward shite ad-nauseam over the winter last year!! ;D

If we get any Allstars we will probably get two with Higgins and Aidan O'Shea.

Boyler probably deserves one but will lose out to a couple of Kerrymen in the half back line I think.

I think Boyle deserves one more than O'Shea.

Quote from: nrico2006 on September 25, 2014, 01:31:08 PM

Quote from: J70 on September 25, 2014, 11:40:19 AM

Quote from: nrico2006 on September 25, 2014, 11:37:09 AM
Connolly is a cert in that team.  Murphy shouldnt get a spot in midfield, be lucky enough to get a spot full stop.

Murphy will get an All Star, as will Donaghy. Non-finalists will make way, if necessary.  That's the way it always goes.

Spot on.  I would just love to see the all stars based on the best players in each position, irrespective of whether their team got to a Munster Semi and beat in the next qualifier.  Shane Walsh had a year that should see him get one but he obviously wont due to Galways early exit.

It's hard to judge players though when they haven't played against the best teams

Quote from: Jinxy on September 25, 2014, 03:33:43 PM
I think Boyle deserves one more than O'Shea.

Yeah but the judges will find it easier to put O'Shea in the team than they would Boyler!

Quote from: Crete Boom on September 25, 2014, 03:47:25 PM
Yeah but the judges will find it easier to put O'Shea in the team than they would Boyler!

Don't think so - the half forward line is way more competitive than the half back line this year.

Quote from: Keane on September 25, 2014, 03:59:57 PM

Quote from: Crete Boom on September 25, 2014, 03:47:25 PM
Yeah but the judges will find it easier to put O'Shea in the team than they would Boyler!

Don't think so - the half forward line is way more competitive than the half back line this year.

It is but Colm Boyle is not a name you hear mentioned much by any of the media heads usually involed in the selection commitee so I would say Murphy, Crowley and McGlynn will be the halfback line and if the give a second allstar to Mayo Aiden O' Shea would be higher up the list of the selection panel than Colm Boyle or any other Mayo candidate. I am not saying it is rigth but this would be my feeling on how it will pan out.

Quote from: Crete Boom on September 25, 2014, 04:07:05 PM

Quote from: Keane on September 25, 2014, 03:59:57 PM

Quote from: Crete Boom on September 25, 2014, 03:47:25 PM
Yeah but the judges will find it easier to put O'Shea in the team than they would Boyler!

Don't think so - the half forward line is way more competitive than the half back line this year.

It is but Colm Boyle is not a name you hear mentioned much by any of the media heads usually involed in the selection commitee so I would say Murphy, Crowley and McGlynn will be the halfback line and if the give a second allstar to Mayo Aiden O' Shea would be higher up the list of the selection panel than Colm Boyle or any other Mayo candidate. I am not saying it is rigth but this would be my feeling on how it will pan out.

The Sunday Game rave about him. He's not coming in under any radar. Would be very surprised if he didn't get an All-Star.

I don't think Cillian O'Connor deserved one, he scored only 1-12 from play all season and the goal was from about 6 inches out. When you consider that was from 6 games including against opposition such as New York and Roscommon its not a great return. I'd have Paul Geaney for one above him. 2nd highest tally from play and a vital goal in the final.

Quote from: blanketattack on September 25, 2014, 07:38:21 PM
I don't think Cillian O'Connor deserved one, he scored only 1-12 from play all season and the goal was from about 6 inches out. When you consider that was from 6 games including against opposition such as New York and Roscommon its not a great return. I'd have Paul Geaney for one above him. 2nd highest tally from play and a vital goal in the final.

Totally agree, without dead ball scores Cillian O'Connor would have a very poor score average. He is slow and cumbersome to boot!

Quote from: Thy Kingdom Come on September 25, 2014, 08:38:33 PM

Quote from: blanketattack on September 25, 2014, 07:38:21 PM
I don't think Cillian O'Connor deserved one, he scored only 1-12 from play all season and the goal was from about 6 inches out. When you consider that was from 6 games including against opposition such as New York and Roscommon its not a great return. I'd have Paul Geaney for one above him. 2nd highest tally from play and a vital goal in the final.

Totally agree, without dead ball scores Cillian O'Connor would have a very poor score average. He is slow and cumbersome to boot!

You do realise Paul Geaney scored only two points more then OConnor from play in the same amount of games.
For a lad who is slow and cumbersome, Enright had to resort to some strange tactics to stop him.

so we giving donaghy an allstar for playing 2 good games this year? hardly makes sense

Quote from: criostlinn on September 25, 2014, 09:04:53 PM

Quote from: Thy Kingdom Come on September 25, 2014, 08:38:33 PM

Quote from: blanketattack on September 25, 2014, 07:38:21 PM
I don't think Cillian O'Connor deserved one, he scored only 1-12 from play all season and the goal was from about 6 inches out. When you consider that was from 6 games including against opposition such as New York and Roscommon its not a great return. I'd have Paul Geaney for one above him. 2nd highest tally from play and a vital goal in the final.

Totally agree, without dead ball scores Cillian O'Connor would have a very poor score average. He is slow and cumbersome to boot!

You do realise Paul Geaney scored only two points more then OConnor from play in the same amount of games.
For a lad who is slow and cumbersome, Enright had to resort to some strange tactics to stop him.

In fairness Enright was pushed by O'Connor before he caught the ball!

Durkan
O'Sé
McGee
Higgins
Murphy
Crowley
McGlynn
Moran
Gallagher
McHugh
Murphy
MacNiallais
O'Donoghue
Donaghy
Kingston

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 25, 2014, 09:11:53 PM
so we giving donaghy an allstar for playing 2 good games this year? hardly makes sense

The Big question is 'Would Kerry have won an AI without Donaghy this year?'

And it is 10 minutes of the first Semifinal. 90+ of the replayed Semifinal and all of the final. Was there a player with more influence on the pitch for the 170 odd minutes he played?

Quote from: Dont Matter on September 25, 2014, 09:24:06 PM
Durkan
O'Sé
McGee
Higgins
Murphy
Crowley
McGlynn
Moran
Gallagher
McHugh
Murphy
MacNiallais
O'Donoghue
Donaghy
Kingston

Hughie Emerson, Leo Turley and Barney Maher are crazy omissions from this team.

Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 25, 2014, 09:45:13 PM
Hughie Emerson, Leo Turley and Barney Maher are crazy omissions from this team.

I didn't want to get accused of bias but clearly they should be in along with Mick Lawlor, Goggie Delaney and big Georgie Doyle.

Quote from: Thy Kingdom Come on September 25, 2014, 09:19:33 PM

Quote from: criostlinn on September 25, 2014, 09:04:53 PM

Quote from: Thy Kingdom Come on September 25, 2014, 08:38:33 PM

Quote from: blanketattack on September 25, 2014, 07:38:21 PM
I don't think Cillian O'Connor deserved one, he scored only 1-12 from play all season and the goal was from about 6 inches out. When you consider that was from 6 games including against opposition such as New York and Roscommon its not a great return. I'd have Paul Geaney for one above him. 2nd highest tally from play and a vital goal in the final.

Totally agree, without dead ball scores Cillian O'Connor would have a very poor score average. He is slow and cumbersome to boot!

You do realise Paul Geaney scored only two points more then OConnor from play in the same amount of games.
For a lad who is slow and cumbersome, Enright had to resort to some strange tactics to stop him.

In fairness Enright was pushed by O'Connor before he caught the ball!

Ah right ted

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 25, 2014, 09:11:53 PM
so we giving donaghy an allstar for playing 2 good games this year? hardly makes sense

Kerry had 3 big games this year 2 v Mayo and the final and Donaghy played vital roles in all 3.

Not sure what all the hype about Connolly is about. He scored 0-1 of 2-25 against Wexford, 0-1 of 2-20 against Meath. 1-1 in the two other turkey shoots of Laois and Monaghan. Dublin had scored around 9-90 prior to the Donegal game and he only scored 2-4, that's a very poor return for someone people are saying is the best player in Ireland. He played well v Donegal but at the same time he missed a sitter of a goal which cost Dublin the game plus a few bad wides in the 2nd half, one of which was only 14 yards out.

Donaghy far more worthy of an All Star than Connolly in my opinion.

Quote from: blanketattack on September 27, 2014, 12:34:19 AM

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 25, 2014, 09:11:53 PM
so we giving donaghy an allstar for playing 2 good games this year? hardly makes sense

Kerry had 3 big games this year 2 v Mayo and the final and Donaghy played vital roles in all 3.

Not sure what all the hype about Connolly is about. He scored 0-1 of 2-25 against Wexford, 0-1 of 2-20 against Meath. 1-1 in the two other turkey shoots of Laois and Monaghan. Dublin had scored around 9-90 prior to the Donegal game and he only scored 2-4, that's a very poor return for someone people are saying is the best player in Ireland. He played well v Donegal but at the same time he missed a sitter of a goal which cost Dublin the game plus a few bad wides in the 2nd half, one of which was only 14 yards out.

Donaghy far more worthy of an All Star than Connolly in my opinion.

Only in the bizarre world where 70 minutes in September matter more than the previous eight months.

Quote from: Syferus on September 27, 2014, 02:08:58 AM

Quote from: blanketattack on September 27, 2014, 12:34:19 AM

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 25, 2014, 09:11:53 PM
so we giving donaghy an allstar for playing 2 good games this year? hardly makes sense

Kerry had 3 big games this year 2 v Mayo and the final and Donaghy played vital roles in all 3.

Not sure what all the hype about Connolly is about. He scored 0-1 of 2-25 against Wexford, 0-1 of 2-20 against Meath. 1-1 in the two other turkey shoots of Laois and Monaghan. Dublin had scored around 9-90 prior to the Donegal game and he only scored 2-4, that's a very poor return for someone people are saying is the best player in Ireland. He played well v Donegal but at the same time he missed a sitter of a goal which cost Dublin the game plus a few bad wides in the 2nd half, one of which was only 14 yards out.

Donaghy far more worthy of an All Star than Connolly in my opinion.

Only in the bizarre world where 70 minutes in September matter more than the previous eight months.

Spot on there, every true football man knows its January to early March a player should be judged on their ability not September, the performances Cregger (aka The Bearded Magician) put in in the FBD this year and the first 2 league games was awesome, it will be a travesty if he doesn't get at least an all star and really he should get POTY, he really is that good according to your expert opinion!

Quote from: Put Up That Flag on September 27, 2014, 09:03:50 AM

Spot on there, every true football man knows its January to early March a player should be judged on their ability not September, the performances Cregger (aka The Bearded Magician) put in in the FBD this year and the first 2 league games was awesome, it will be a travesty if he doesn't get at least an all star and really he should get POTY, he really is that good according to your expert opinion!

;D From now on you shall be known as him that speaketh the truth

Like in the old school days when picking teams for a match, yer picking next. You've Donaghy,  young McHugh and Connolly to pick from to bolster your team. Fairly easy choice in fairness surely?

Quote from: blanketattack on September 27, 2014, 12:34:19 AM

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 25, 2014, 09:11:53 PM
so we giving donaghy an allstar for playing 2 good games this year? hardly makes sense

Kerry had 3 big games this year 2 v Mayo and the final and Donaghy played vital roles in all 3.

Not sure what all the hype about Connolly is about. He scored 0-1 of 2-25 against Wexford, 0-1 of 2-20 against Meath. 1-1 in the two other turkey shoots of Laois and Monaghan. Dublin had scored around 9-90 prior to the Donegal game and he only scored 2-4, that's a very poor return for someone people are saying is the best player in Ireland. He played well v Donegal but at the same time he missed a sitter of a goal which cost Dublin the game plus a few bad wides in the 2nd half, one of which was only 14 yards out.

Donaghy far more worthy of an All Star than Connolly in my opinion.

Agree, if Connolly wasn't so lax with the goal shot Dublin would have went on to win the Semi against Donegal

He was excellent with St Vincents but that has nothing to do being selected for an All Star.

Some of the points he got against Donegal were as good as you'll see. Even with three or four boys hanging off him.

If boys like Bernard brogan had stood up like him when the going got tough it would have been a different game.

Connolly also had some poor wides in that game

Can hardly fault Brogan that much he has stood up plenty of times before for Dublin. Connolly has yet to win an All Star.

He had a poor one at the end and the goal chance earlier but don't recall too many more wides.

Brogan hasn't stood up in a few years to be honest. In big games gooch's o'ses cavanaghs etc stand up. Brogan hasn't of late.

Donaghy and Connolly aren't in the running for the same position  :o

I'd have both on my all star team

Quote from: imtommygunn on September 27, 2014, 11:20:33 AM
He had a poor one at the end and the goal chance earlier but don't recall too many more wides.

Brogan hasn't stood up in a few years to be honest. In big games gooch's o'ses cavanaghs etc stand up. Brogan hasn't of late.

2-3 in an all Ireland final isn't a bad return for a man that hasn't stood up!

Quote from: J OGorman on September 27, 2014, 10:19:35 AM
Like in the old school days when picking teams for a match, yer picking next. You've Donaghy,  young McHugh and Connolly to pick from to bolster your team. Fairly easy choice in fairness surely?

My first pick would be Gooch, that doesn't mean I think he deserves an All Star.

Quote from: Put Up That Flag on September 27, 2014, 09:03:50 AM

Quote from: Syferus on September 27, 2014, 02:08:58 AM

Quote from: blanketattack on September 27, 2014, 12:34:19 AM

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 25, 2014, 09:11:53 PM
so we giving donaghy an allstar for playing 2 good games this year? hardly makes sense

Kerry had 3 big games this year 2 v Mayo and the final and Donaghy played vital roles in all 3.

Not sure what all the hype about Connolly is about. He scored 0-1 of 2-25 against Wexford, 0-1 of 2-20 against Meath. 1-1 in the two other turkey shoots of Laois and Monaghan. Dublin had scored around 9-90 prior to the Donegal game and he only scored 2-4, that's a very poor return for someone people are saying is the best player in Ireland. He played well v Donegal but at the same time he missed a sitter of a goal which cost Dublin the game plus a few bad wides in the 2nd half, one of which was only 14 yards out.

Donaghy far more worthy of an All Star than Connolly in my opinion.

Only in the bizarre world where 70 minutes in September matter more than the previous eight months.

Spot on there, every true football man knows its January to early March a player should be judged on their ability not September, the performances Cregger (aka The Bearded Magician) put in in the FBD this year and the first 2 league games was awesome, it will be a travesty if he doesn't get at least an all star and really he should get POTY, he really is that good according to your expert opinion!

No, No....that's way too direct. A far better metric is the Roscommon lad whose cousin from another county  scores a point against a team who beat another team in an FBD league. This is then, somehow, categorized as a Roscommon "achievement".

Syferus, You auld eejit. ;D

Quote from: blanketattack on September 27, 2014, 02:43:30 PM

Quote from: J OGorman on September 27, 2014, 10:19:35 AM
Like in the old school days when picking teams for a match, yer picking next. You've Donaghy,  young McHugh and Connolly to pick from to bolster your team. Fairly easy choice in fairness surely?

My first pick would be Gooch, that doesn't mean I think he deserves an All Star.

I didn't have the Gooch in my list

Give them in block to the Kerry starting fifteen from last Sunday and let the whining, moaning and begrudgery continue.

Watched the game again tonight.  Kerry brought cynicism and tiki taki to the next level.  Only for a mistake and a post it was donegals all ireland.  Kerry tiki taki won the day. All stars 5

Quote from: rrhf on September 27, 2014, 10:55:40 PM
Watched the game again tonight.  Kerry brought cynicism and tiki taki to the next level.  Only for a mistake and a post it was donegals all ireland.  Kerry tiki taki won the day. All stars 5

Then again it will continue anyway

Quote from: rrhf on September 27, 2014, 10:55:40 PM
Watched the game again tonight.  Kerry brought cynicism and tiki taki to the next level.  Only for a mistake and a post it was donegals all ireland.  Kerry tiki taki won the day. All stars 5

Ah go on, be honest, we know you enjoyed the day and passed your love and admiration of the Kingdom onto the next generation  ;)

Cormac Reilly on the 40 for me. Set up a lot against Mayo.

Quote from: rodney trotter on September 27, 2014, 10:21:21 AM

Quote from: blanketattack on September 27, 2014, 12:34:19 AM

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 25, 2014, 09:11:53 PM
so we giving donaghy an allstar for playing 2 good games this year? hardly makes sense

Kerry had 3 big games this year 2 v Mayo and the final and Donaghy played vital roles in all 3.

Not sure what all the hype about Connolly is about. He scored 0-1 of 2-25 against Wexford, 0-1 of 2-20 against Meath. 1-1 in the two other turkey shoots of Laois and Monaghan. Dublin had scored around 9-90 prior to the Donegal game and he only scored 2-4, that's a very poor return for someone people are saying is the best player in Ireland. He played well v Donegal but at the same time he missed a sitter of a goal which cost Dublin the game plus a few bad wides in the 2nd half, one of which was only 14 yards out.

Donaghy far more worthy of an All Star than Connolly in my opinion.

Agree, if Connolly wasn't so lax with the goal shot Dublin would have went on to win the Semi against Donegal

He was excellent with St Vincents but that has nothing to do being selected for an All Star.

Exactly. Dublin fell away at their first test in the championship. Players can t get POTY and All Stars playing club and second and third division teams in the Leinster championship. Kerry, Donegal and Mayo should share most of the All-Stars evenly enough, because there was little to separate them at the end. Mayo might not have won the AI but at least had to play proper A list teams like Cork and Kerry. If Higgins, Boyle, AOS and COC don t get All Stars it's a joke.

The nominations are out.


GOALKEEPERS: Paul Durcan (Donegal), Rory Beggan (Monaghan), Stephen Cluxton (Dublin).

FULL BACKS: Paul Murphy (Kerry), Fionn Fitzgerald (Kerry), Eamonn McGee (Donegal), Neil McGee (Donegal), Philip McMahon (Dublin), Rory O'Carroll (Dublin), Keith Higgins (Mayo), Andy Mallon (Armagh), Drew Wylie (Monaghan).

HALF-BACKS: Aidan O'Mahony (Kerry), Peter Crowley (Kerry), Colm Boyle (Mayo), Lee Keegan (Mayo), James McCarthy (Dublin), Johnny Cooper (Dublin), Frank McGlynn (Donegal), Dessie Mone (Monaghan), Colin O'Riordan (Tipperary).

MIDFIELD: David Moran (Kerry), Anthony Maher (Kerry), Neil Gallagher (Donegal), Odhran MacNiallais (Donegal), Michael Darragh Macauley (Dublin), Seamus O'Shea (Mayo).

HALF-FORWARDS: Johnny Buckley (Kerry), Donnchadh Walsh (Kerry), Diarmuid Connolly (Dublin), Paul Flynn (Dublin), Ryan McHugh (Donegal), Michael Murphy (Donegal), Shane Walsh (Galway), Mark Lynch (Derry), Aidan O'Shea (Mayo).

FULL FORWARD: Kieran Donaghy (Kerry), James O'Donoghue (Kerry, right), Paul Geaney (Kerry), Cillian O'Connor (Mayo), Conor McManus (Monaghan), Brian Hurley (Cork), Kevin McManamon (Dublin), Tony Kernan (Armagh), Patrick McBrearty (Donegal).



Of the also rans, Armagh, Galway, Tipp, Monaghan and Derry all got a pat on the head.   
Meath are obviously not at that sub level yet. It is a cruel fuball world.

Quote from: seafoid on October 08, 2014, 07:22:45 AM
The nominations are out.


GOALKEEPERS: Paul Durcan (Donegal), Rory Beggan (Monaghan), Stephen Cluxton (Dublin).

FULL BACKS: Paul Murphy (Kerry), Fionn Fitzgerald (Kerry), Eamonn McGee (Donegal), Neil McGee (Donegal), Philip McMahon (Dublin), Rory O'Carroll (Dublin), Keith Higgins (Mayo), Andy Mallon (Armagh), Drew Wylie (Monaghan).

HALF-BACKS: Aidan O'Mahony (Kerry), Peter Crowley (Kerry), Colm Boyle (Mayo), Lee Keegan (Mayo), James McCarthy (Dublin), Johnny Cooper (Dublin), Frank McGlynn (Donegal), Dessie Mone (Monaghan), Colin O'Riordan (Tipperary).

MIDFIELD: David Moran (Kerry), Anthony Maher (Kerry), Neil Gallagher (Donegal), Odhran MacNiallais (Donegal), Michael Darragh Macauley (Dublin), Seamus O'Shea (Mayo).

HALF-FORWARDS: Johnny Buckley (Kerry), Donnchadh Walsh (Kerry), Diarmuid Connolly (Dublin), Paul Flynn (Dublin), Ryan McHugh (Donegal), Michael Murphy (Donegal), Shane Walsh (Galway), Mark Lynch (Derry), Aidan O'Shea (Mayo).

FULL FORWARD: Kieran Donaghy (Kerry), James O'Donoghue (Kerry, right), Paul Geaney (Kerry), Cillian O'Connor (Mayo), Conor McManus (Monaghan), Brian Hurley (Cork), Kevin McManamon (Dublin), Tony Kernan (Armagh), Patrick McBrearty (Donegal).



Of the also rans, Armagh, Galway, Tipp, Monaghan and Derry all got a pat on the head.   
Meath are obviously not at that sub level yet. It is a cruel fuball world.

The also rans of Armagh were unlucky not to get at least a draw against Donegal in the AIQF. Mallon being nominated isnt a surprise, TK though, that is a bit of one

No Charlie Vernon

Quote from: tonto1888 on October 08, 2014, 08:22:14 AM

Quote from: seafoid on October 08, 2014, 07:22:45 AM
The nominations are out.


GOALKEEPERS: Paul Durcan (Donegal), Rory Beggan (Monaghan), Stephen Cluxton (Dublin).

FULL BACKS: Paul Murphy (Kerry), Fionn Fitzgerald (Kerry), Eamonn McGee (Donegal), Neil McGee (Donegal), Philip McMahon (Dublin), Rory O'Carroll (Dublin), Keith Higgins (Mayo), Andy Mallon (Armagh), Drew Wylie (Monaghan).

HALF-BACKS: Aidan O'Mahony (Kerry), Peter Crowley (Kerry), Colm Boyle (Mayo), Lee Keegan (Mayo), James McCarthy (Dublin), Johnny Cooper (Dublin), Frank McGlynn (Donegal), Dessie Mone (Monaghan), Colin O'Riordan (Tipperary).

MIDFIELD: David Moran (Kerry), Anthony Maher (Kerry), Neil Gallagher (Donegal), Odhran MacNiallais (Donegal), Michael Darragh Macauley (Dublin), Seamus O'Shea (Mayo).

HALF-FORWARDS: Johnny Buckley (Kerry), Donnchadh Walsh (Kerry), Diarmuid Connolly (Dublin), Paul Flynn (Dublin), Ryan McHugh (Donegal), Michael Murphy (Donegal), Shane Walsh (Galway), Mark Lynch (Derry), Aidan O'Shea (Mayo).

FULL FORWARD: Kieran Donaghy (Kerry), James O'Donoghue (Kerry, right), Paul Geaney (Kerry), Cillian O'Connor (Mayo), Conor McManus (Monaghan), Brian Hurley (Cork), Kevin McManamon (Dublin), Tony Kernan (Armagh), Patrick McBrearty (Donegal).



Of the also rans, Armagh, Galway, Tipp, Monaghan and Derry all got a pat on the head.   
Meath are obviously not at that sub level yet. It is a cruel fuball world.

The also rans of Armagh were unlucky not to get at least a draw against Donegal in the AIQF. Mallon being nominated isnt a surprise, TK though, that is a bit of one

I think Armagh made the most progress of the chasing pack this year in the championship.

Some selection in the half forward line now with Murphy there. As a consequence I don't think McHugh or O'Shea will get one now. All set up for Donaghy to sneak one in the full forward line, the same way he took the play of the year gong off Darragh O Se in 06.

Quote from: seafoid on October 08, 2014, 08:48:30 AM

Quote from: tonto1888 on October 08, 2014, 08:22:14 AM

Quote from: seafoid on October 08, 2014, 07:22:45 AM
The nominations are out.


GOALKEEPERS: Paul Durcan (Donegal), Rory Beggan (Monaghan), Stephen Cluxton (Dublin).

FULL BACKS: Paul Murphy (Kerry), Fionn Fitzgerald (Kerry), Eamonn McGee (Donegal), Neil McGee (Donegal), Philip McMahon (Dublin), Rory O'Carroll (Dublin), Keith Higgins (Mayo), Andy Mallon (Armagh), Drew Wylie (Monaghan).

HALF-BACKS: Aidan O'Mahony (Kerry), Peter Crowley (Kerry), Colm Boyle (Mayo), Lee Keegan (Mayo), James McCarthy (Dublin), Johnny Cooper (Dublin), Frank McGlynn (Donegal), Dessie Mone (Monaghan), Colin O'Riordan (Tipperary).

MIDFIELD: David Moran (Kerry), Anthony Maher (Kerry), Neil Gallagher (Donegal), Odhran MacNiallais (Donegal), Michael Darragh Macauley (Dublin), Seamus O'Shea (Mayo).

HALF-FORWARDS: Johnny Buckley (Kerry), Donnchadh Walsh (Kerry), Diarmuid Connolly (Dublin), Paul Flynn (Dublin), Ryan McHugh (Donegal), Michael Murphy (Donegal), Shane Walsh (Galway), Mark Lynch (Derry), Aidan O'Shea (Mayo).

FULL FORWARD: Kieran Donaghy (Kerry), James O'Donoghue (Kerry, right), Paul Geaney (Kerry), Cillian O'Connor (Mayo), Conor McManus (Monaghan), Brian Hurley (Cork), Kevin McManamon (Dublin), Tony Kernan (Armagh), Patrick McBrearty (Donegal).



Of the also rans, Armagh, Galway, Tipp, Monaghan and Derry all got a pat on the head.   
Meath are obviously not at that sub level yet. It is a cruel fuball world.

The also rans of Armagh were unlucky not to get at least a draw against Donegal in the AIQF. Mallon being nominated isnt a surprise, TK though, that is a bit of one

I think Armagh made the most progress of the chasing pack this year in the championship.

Agreed mate. This is trhe first time in a few years I have had optimism for the next year

Mark Lynch getting nominated is a shocker to be honest.

Do many people take this daftness seriously any more?
I don't anyway.

Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 08, 2014, 09:27:00 AM
Some selection in the half forward line now with Murphy there. As a consequence I don't think McHugh or O'Shea will get one now. All set up for Donaghy to sneak one in the full forward line, the same way he took the play of the year gong off Darragh O Se in 06.

Donaghy deserves it.

McHugh might get young player of year instead, like Michael Murphy and Cillian O'Connor before him.

Why is Paul Murphy in the full back line?

Has he not played half back all year?

Quote from: seafoid on October 08, 2014, 07:22:45 AM
The nominations are out.


GOALKEEPERS: Paul Durcan (Donegal), Rory Beggan (Monaghan), Stephen Cluxton (Dublin).

FULL BACKS: Paul Murphy (Kerry), Fionn Fitzgerald (Kerry), Eamonn McGee (Donegal), Neil McGee (Donegal), Philip McMahon (Dublin), Rory O'Carroll (Dublin), Keith Higgins (Mayo), Andy Mallon (Armagh), Drew Wylie (Monaghan).

HALF-BACKS: Aidan O'Mahony (Kerry), Peter Crowley (Kerry), Colm Boyle (Mayo), Lee Keegan (Mayo), James McCarthy (Dublin), Johnny Cooper (Dublin), Frank McGlynn (Donegal), Dessie Mone (Monaghan), Colin O'Riordan (Tipperary).

MIDFIELD: David Moran (Kerry), Anthony Maher (Kerry), Neil Gallagher (Donegal), Odhran MacNiallais (Donegal), Michael Darragh Macauley (Dublin), Seamus O'Shea (Mayo).

HALF-FORWARDS: Johnny Buckley (Kerry), Donnchadh Walsh (Kerry), Diarmuid Connolly (Dublin), Paul Flynn (Dublin), Ryan McHugh (Donegal), Michael Murphy (Donegal), Shane Walsh (Galway), Mark Lynch (Derry), Aidan O'Shea (Mayo).

FULL FORWARD: Kieran Donaghy (Kerry), James O'Donoghue (Kerry, right), Paul Geaney (Kerry), Cillian O'Connor (Mayo), Conor McManus (Monaghan), Brian Hurley (Cork), Kevin McManamon (Dublin), Tony Kernan (Armagh), Patrick McBrearty (Donegal).



Of the also rans, Armagh, Galway, Tipp, Monaghan and Derry all got a pat on the head.   
Meath are obviously not at that sub level yet. It is a cruel fuball world.

Forgot the nominations for player and young player of the year.

Player of the Year Nominations: James O'Donoghue (Kerry), Diarmuid Connolly (Dublin), Neil McGee (Donegal).

Young Player of the Year Nominations: Ryan McHugh (Donegal), Shane Walsh (Galway), Paddy McBrearty (Donegal).

By the way why is Murphy included in the half-forward line? I'm guessing it's to clear a path for Donaghy so both can be picked?

 :o Syferus I am confused, where are the awesome Rossies on this nomination list that you are constantly talking shi*e about, where is the mighty Cregger, Shiner, Kilbrider, Higginser, Collinser, etc? I have a feeling we won't get any response from ya until the fbd is getting into full swing again and all these lads will be the greatest ever again  ;D

This craic of moving players around the field to fit them in is a joke.

Quote from: J70 on October 08, 2014, 12:37:27 PM

Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 08, 2014, 09:27:00 AM
Some selection in the half forward line now with Murphy there. As a consequence I don't think McHugh or O'Shea will get one now. All set up for Donaghy to sneak one in the full forward line, the same way he took the play of the year gong off Darragh O Se in 06.

Donaghy deserves it.

McHugh might get young player of year instead, like Michael Murphy and Cillian O'Connor before him.

Of the nine players listed in the ff line, yes, he would be one of my three. However McHugh, who will probably lose out now in the hf line, deserves one more. Good call that he will probably get the YPOTY but that's another cop out by the selection committae.

Quote from: Rossfan on October 08, 2014, 11:37:09 AM
Do many people take this daftness seriously any more?
I don't anyway.

Alot of people and players do Rossfan. I suspect that if  (hopefully when)  there comes a time that there are Roscommon players in the running for one so will you and rightly so.

As for McHugh I would personally class an allstar way above a YPOTY .

Will definitely be one player of those nominated in the half forward line rightly and genuinely aggrieved at not getting the nod.

Think Monaghan keeper will sneak the award in a to be honest less than glowing year for keepers.

Donaghy probably had more minutes at full forward than Michael Murphy this year.

Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on October 08, 2014, 01:31:02 PM

Quote from: seafoid on October 08, 2014, 07:22:45 AM
The nominations are out.


GOALKEEPERS: Paul Durcan (Donegal), Rory Beggan (Monaghan), Stephen Cluxton (Dublin).

FULL BACKS: Paul Murphy (Kerry), Fionn Fitzgerald (Kerry), Eamonn McGee (Donegal), Neil McGee (Donegal), Philip McMahon (Dublin), Rory O'Carroll (Dublin), Keith Higgins (Mayo), Andy Mallon (Armagh), Drew Wylie (Monaghan).

HALF-BACKS: Aidan O'Mahony (Kerry), Peter Crowley (Kerry), Colm Boyle (Mayo), Lee Keegan (Mayo), James McCarthy (Dublin), Johnny Cooper (Dublin), Frank McGlynn (Donegal), Dessie Mone (Monaghan), Colin O'Riordan (Tipperary).

MIDFIELD: David Moran (Kerry), Anthony Maher (Kerry), Neil Gallagher (Donegal), Odhran MacNiallais (Donegal), Michael Darragh Macauley (Dublin), Seamus O'Shea (Mayo).

HALF-FORWARDS: Johnny Buckley (Kerry), Donnchadh Walsh (Kerry), Diarmuid Connolly (Dublin), Paul Flynn (Dublin), Ryan McHugh (Donegal), Michael Murphy (Donegal), Shane Walsh (Galway), Mark Lynch (Derry), Aidan O'Shea (Mayo).

FULL FORWARD: Kieran Donaghy (Kerry), James O'Donoghue (Kerry, right), Paul Geaney (Kerry), Cillian O'Connor (Mayo), Conor McManus (Monaghan), Brian Hurley (Cork), Kevin McManamon (Dublin), Tony Kernan (Armagh), Patrick McBrearty (Donegal).



Of the also rans, Armagh, Galway, Tipp, Monaghan and Derry all got a pat on the head.   
Meath are obviously not at that sub level yet. It is a cruel fuball world.

Forgot the nominations for player and young player of the year.

Player of the Year Nominations: James O'Donoghue (Kerry), Diarmuid Connolly (Dublin), Neil McGee (Donegal).

Young Player of the Year Nominations: Ryan McHugh (Donegal), Shane Walsh (Galway), Paddy McBrearty (Donegal).

Wow, Neil McGee with a nomination! Wasn't expecting that. Fair fucks, And well deserved.

O'Donoghue's award though.

Quote from: Jinxy on October 08, 2014, 01:57:50 PM
This craic of moving players around the field to fit them in is a joke.

they should have 12 slots for  defenders and 3 for scoring forwards and dump the current classification

Quote from: Jinxy on October 08, 2014, 01:57:50 PM
This craic of moving players around the field to fit them in is a joke.

It is, but this isn't the first year it's been done.

Goalkeeper is the hardest one to call. Not often the All-Ireland winning team doesn't have its goalkeeper even nominated

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I would think the three nominees for POTY will each get one. Conversely, I think Ryan McHugh has been nominated as YPOTY as he will not get an All Star. My best guess at how they will go:

P Durcan
P Murphy, E McGee, K Higgins
P Crowley, F McGlynn, C Boyle
D Moran, N Gallagher
D Connolly, M Murphy, P Flynn
J O'Donoghue, K Donaghy, C O'Connor

POTY JO'D
YPOTY R McHugh

Unlucky to miss out: A Mallon, R McHugh, A O'Shea, R Beggan

Quote from: Never beat the deeler on October 09, 2014, 09:17:18 AM
I would think the three nominees for POTY will each get one. Conversely, I think Ryan McHugh has been nominated as YPOTY as he will not get an All Star. My best guess at how they will go:

P Durcan
P Murphy, E McGee, K Higgins
P Crowley, F McGlynn, C Boyle
D Moran, N Gallagher
D Connolly, M Murphy, P Flynn
J O'Donoghue, K Donaghy, C O'Connor

POTY JO'D
YPOTY R McHugh

Unlucky to miss out: A Mallon, R McHugh, A O'Shea, R Beggan

I'd have N McGee there.
One player unlucky to lose out again is Donnacha Walsh. Has done immense work, carrying the ball and winning dirty ball. One of Kerry's star and key players, but because its not glamorous work, he'll get overlooked. Had a decent chance til Murphy was moved to the half forwards. Donnacha Walsh far more deserving of an All Star than Diarmuid Connolly imo.

Quote from: blanketattack on October 09, 2014, 09:50:05 AM

Quote from: Never beat the deeler on October 09, 2014, 09:17:18 AM
I would think the three nominees for POTY will each get one. Conversely, I think Ryan McHugh has been nominated as YPOTY as he will not get an All Star. My best guess at how they will go:

P Durcan
P Murphy, E McGee, K Higgins
P Crowley, F McGlynn, C Boyle
D Moran, N Gallagher
D Connolly, M Murphy, P Flynn
J O'Donoghue, K Donaghy, C O'Connor

POTY JO'D
YPOTY R McHugh

Unlucky to miss out: A Mallon, R McHugh, A O'Shea, R Beggan

I'd have N McGee there.
One player unlucky to lose out again is Donnacha Walsh. Has done immense work, carrying the ball and winning dirty ball. One of Kerry's star and key players, but because its not glamorous work, he'll get overlooked. Had a decent chance til Murphy was moved to the half forwards. Donnacha Walsh far more deserving of an All Star than Diarmuid Connolly imo.

With P Murphy selected in the FB line, who do you think would lose out for N McGee? And I agree with what you are saying about Walsh, however the way the nominations were made (with Connolly nominated for POTY and Murphy nominated in the HF line) I can't see Walsh getting one, though stranger things have happened.

Quote from: Never beat the deeler on October 09, 2014, 09:53:02 AM

Quote from: blanketattack on October 09, 2014, 09:50:05 AM

Quote from: Never beat the deeler on October 09, 2014, 09:17:18 AM
I would think the three nominees for POTY will each get one. Conversely, I think Ryan McHugh has been nominated as YPOTY as he will not get an All Star. My best guess at how they will go:

P Durcan
P Murphy, E McGee, K Higgins
P Crowley, F McGlynn, C Boyle
D Moran, N Gallagher
D Connolly, M Murphy, P Flynn
J O'Donoghue, K Donaghy, C O'Connor

POTY JO'D
YPOTY R McHugh

Unlucky to miss out: A Mallon, R McHugh, A O'Shea, R Beggan

I'd have N McGee there.
One player unlucky to lose out again is Donnacha Walsh. Has done immense work, carrying the ball and winning dirty ball. One of Kerry's star and key players, but because its not glamorous work, he'll get overlooked. Had a decent chance til Murphy was moved to the half forwards. Donnacha Walsh far more deserving of an All Star than Diarmuid Connolly imo.

With P Murphy selected in the FB line, who do you think would lose out for N McGee? And I agree with what you are saying about Walsh, however the way the nominations were made (with Connolly nominated for POTY and Murphy nominated in the HF line) I can't see Walsh getting one, though stranger things have happened.

N McGee has been better than his brother and is the best full back in the country in my opinion.

If Neil Magee isn't on the All Star team at Number 3 the complete thing is a farce, an absolute stand out for Donegal this year from start to finish in the championship.

Quote from: Never beat the deeler on October 09, 2014, 09:17:18 AM
I would think the three nominees for POTY will each get one. Conversely, I think Ryan McHugh has been nominated as YPOTY as he will not get an All Star. My best guess at how they will go:

P Durcan
P Murphy, E McGee, K Higgins
P Crowley, F McGlynn, C Boyle
D Moran, N Gallagher
D Connolly, M Murphy, P Flynn
J O'Donoghue, K Donaghy, C O'Connor

POTY JO'D
YPOTY R McHugh

Unlucky to miss out: A Mallon, R McHugh, A O'Shea, R Beggan

You're contradicting yourself there, I presume you're mixing up the two McGees? Neil is much better than Eamon imo and is a cert for an all-star. Eamon is a good defender, but not at the same level as his brother and not all-star material this year for me.

I'd also have Dessie Mone in the HB line, I might be biased but he's been superb all year.

Quote from: blanketattack on October 09, 2014, 09:50:05 AM

Quote from: Never beat the deeler on October 09, 2014, 09:17:18 AM
I would think the three nominees for POTY will each get one. Conversely, I think Ryan McHugh has been nominated as YPOTY as he will not get an All Star. My best guess at how they will go:

P Durcan
P Murphy, E McGee, K Higgins
P Crowley, F McGlynn, C Boyle
D Moran, N Gallagher
D Connolly, M Murphy, P Flynn
J O'Donoghue, K Donaghy, C O'Connor

POTY JO'D
YPOTY R McHugh

Unlucky to miss out: A Mallon, R McHugh, A O'Shea, R Beggan

I'd have N McGee there.
One player unlucky to lose out again is Donnacha Walsh. Has done immense work, carrying the ball and winning dirty ball. One of Kerry's star and key players, but because its not glamorous work, he'll get overlooked. Had a decent chance til Murphy was moved to the half forwards. Donnacha Walsh far more deserving of an All Star than Diarmuid Connolly imo.

My arse he is. Connolly has been brilliant all year. Anyone who thinks he isn't an all star shoe in is quite frankly an idiot

My HF line would be Flynn, Connolly and Walsh.

Quote from: INDIANA on October 09, 2014, 01:50:16 PM

Quote from: blanketattack on October 09, 2014, 09:50:05 AM

Quote from: Never beat the deeler on October 09, 2014, 09:17:18 AM
I would think the three nominees for POTY will each get one. Conversely, I think Ryan McHugh has been nominated as YPOTY as he will not get an All Star. My best guess at how they will go:

P Durcan
P Murphy, E McGee, K Higgins
P Crowley, F McGlynn, C Boyle
D Moran, N Gallagher
D Connolly, M Murphy, P Flynn
J O'Donoghue, K Donaghy, C O'Connor

POTY JO'D
YPOTY R McHugh

Unlucky to miss out: A Mallon, R McHugh, A O'Shea, R Beggan

I'd have N McGee there.
One player unlucky to lose out again is Donnacha Walsh. Has done immense work, carrying the ball and winning dirty ball. One of Kerry's star and key players, but because its not glamorous work, he'll get overlooked. Had a decent chance til Murphy was moved to the half forwards. Donnacha Walsh far more deserving of an All Star than Diarmuid Connolly imo.

My arse he is. Connolly has been brilliant all year. Anyone who thinks he isn't an all star shoe in is quite frankly an idiot

quite frankly indeed

Quote from: INDIANA on October 09, 2014, 01:50:16 PM

Quote from: blanketattack on October 09, 2014, 09:50:05 AM

Quote from: Never beat the deeler on October 09, 2014, 09:17:18 AM
I would think the three nominees for POTY will each get one. Conversely, I think Ryan McHugh has been nominated as YPOTY as he will not get an All Star. My best guess at how they will go:

P Durcan
P Murphy, E McGee, K Higgins
P Crowley, F McGlynn, C Boyle
D Moran, N Gallagher
D Connolly, M Murphy, P Flynn
J O'Donoghue, K Donaghy, C O'Connor

POTY JO'D
YPOTY R McHugh

Unlucky to miss out: A Mallon, R McHugh, A O'Shea, R Beggan

I'd have N McGee there.
One player unlucky to lose out again is Donnacha Walsh. Has done immense work, carrying the ball and winning dirty ball. One of Kerry's star and key players, but because its not glamorous work, he'll get overlooked. Had a decent chance til Murphy was moved to the half forwards. Donnacha Walsh far more deserving of an All Star than Diarmuid Connolly imo.

My arse he is. Connolly has been brilliant all year. Anyone who thinks he isn't an all star shoe in is quite frankly an idiot

All year? Even when he only scored 0-1 of 2-25 against Wexford and 0-1 of 2-20 against Meath? If that's what's considered brilliant, you've a low bar. Connolly might have done well in some turkey shoots but where was his "brilliance" when the chips were down in the 2nd half v Donegal? This is what the all-star selectors should prioritize - who did it when they were most needed.

I think he'll get an All Star but I think Flynn, Murphy and Walsh deserve to be ahead of him of the other half forward nominations.

 Christ, the whole thing is a mess.

Quote from: Schkite on October 09, 2014, 01:35:22 PM

Quote from: Never beat the deeler on October 09, 2014, 09:17:18 AM
I would think the three nominees for POTY will each get one. Conversely, I think Ryan McHugh has been nominated as YPOTY as he will not get an All Star. My best guess at how they will go:

P Durcan
P Murphy, E McGee, K Higgins
P Crowley, F McGlynn, C Boyle
D Moran, N Gallagher
D Connolly, M Murphy, P Flynn
J O'Donoghue, K Donaghy, C O'Connor

POTY JO'D
YPOTY R McHugh

Unlucky to miss out: A Mallon, R McHugh, A O'Shea, R Beggan

You're contradicting yourself there, I presume you're mixing up the two McGees? Neil is much better than Eamon imo and is a cert for an all-star. Eamon is a good defender, but not at the same level as his brother and not all-star material this year for me.

I'd also have Dessie Mone in the HB line, I might be biased but he's been superb all year.

Sorry, you are correct. I had the two arse ways

Quote from: INDIANA on October 09, 2014, 01:50:16 PM

Quote from: blanketattack on October 09, 2014, 09:50:05 AM

Quote from: Never beat the deeler on October 09, 2014, 09:17:18 AM
I would think the three nominees for POTY will each get one. Conversely, I think Ryan McHugh has been nominated as YPOTY as he will not get an All Star. My best guess at how they will go:

P Durcan
P Murphy, E McGee, K Higgins
P Crowley, F McGlynn, C Boyle
D Moran, N Gallagher
D Connolly, M Murphy, P Flynn
J O'Donoghue, K Donaghy, C O'Connor

POTY JO'D
YPOTY R McHugh

Unlucky to miss out: A Mallon, R McHugh, A O'Shea, R Beggan

I'd have N McGee there.
One player unlucky to lose out again is Donnacha Walsh. Has done immense work, carrying the ball and winning dirty ball. One of Kerry's star and key players, but because its not glamorous work, he'll get overlooked. Had a decent chance til Murphy was moved to the half forwards. Donnacha Walsh far more deserving of an All Star than Diarmuid Connolly imo.

My arse he is. Connolly has been brilliant all year. Anyone who thinks he isn't an all star shoe in is quite frankly an idiot

No way any senior Player of the Year nominee doesn't get an All Star.

Donaghy or Murphy (you're/they're moving Murphy out to make room for Star) over McHugh would be a horrendous call. McHugh has dibs on the individual performance of the year v. Dublin. All-Star all day.

Deeler, Mallon isn't unlucky to lose out and AOS was cleanly beat by his man in three of the five meaningful championship matches Mayo played this year.

Quote from: J70 on October 10, 2014, 12:57:51 PM

Quote from: INDIANA on October 09, 2014, 01:50:16 PM

Quote from: blanketattack on October 09, 2014, 09:50:05 AM

Quote from: Never beat the deeler on October 09, 2014, 09:17:18 AM
I would think the three nominees for POTY will each get one. Conversely, I think Ryan McHugh has been nominated as YPOTY as he will not get an All Star. My best guess at how they will go:

P Durcan
P Murphy, E McGee, K Higgins
P Crowley, F McGlynn, C Boyle
D Moran, N Gallagher
D Connolly, M Murphy, P Flynn
J O'Donoghue, K Donaghy, C O'Connor

POTY JO'D
YPOTY R McHugh

Unlucky to miss out: A Mallon, R McHugh, A O'Shea, R Beggan

I'd have N McGee there.
One player unlucky to lose out again is Donnacha Walsh. Has done immense work, carrying the ball and winning dirty ball. One of Kerry's star and key players, but because its not glamorous work, he'll get overlooked. Had a decent chance til Murphy was moved to the half forwards. Donnacha Walsh far more deserving of an All Star than Diarmuid Connolly imo.

My arse he is. Connolly has been brilliant all year. Anyone who thinks he isn't an all star shoe in is quite frankly an idiot

No way any senior Player of the Year nominee doesn't get an All Star.

Stranger things have happened - the 1994 hurler of the year didn't get an All Star.

Don't mention the war. That was the day the All Stars stopped being credible for me.

Quote from: blanketattack on October 09, 2014, 05:22:22 PM

Quote from: INDIANA on October 09, 2014, 01:50:16 PM

Quote from: blanketattack on October 09, 2014, 09:50:05 AM

Quote from: Never beat the deeler on October 09, 2014, 09:17:18 AM
I would think the three nominees for POTY will each get one. Conversely, I think Ryan McHugh has been nominated as YPOTY as he will not get an All Star. My best guess at how they will go:

P Durcan
P Murphy, E McGee, K Higgins
P Crowley, F McGlynn, C Boyle
D Moran, N Gallagher
D Connolly, M Murphy, P Flynn
J O'Donoghue, K Donaghy, C O'Connor

POTY JO'D
YPOTY R McHugh

Unlucky to miss out: A Mallon, R McHugh, A O'Shea, R Beggan

I'd have N McGee there.
One player unlucky to lose out again is Donnacha Walsh. Has done immense work, carrying the ball and winning dirty ball. One of Kerry's star and key players, but because its not glamorous work, he'll get overlooked. Had a decent chance til Murphy was moved to the half forwards. Donnacha Walsh far more deserving of an All Star than Diarmuid Connolly imo.

My arse he is. Connolly has been brilliant all year. Anyone who thinks he isn't an all star shoe in is quite frankly an idiot

All year? Even when he only scored 0-1 of 2-25 against Wexford and 0-1 of 2-20 against Meath? If that's what's considered brilliant, you've a low bar. Connolly might have done well in some turkey shoots but where was his "brilliance" when the chips were down in the 2nd half v Donegal? This is what the all-star selectors should prioritize - who did it when they were most needed.

I think he'll get an All Star but I think Flynn, Murphy and Walsh deserve to be ahead of him of the other half forward nominations.

There is nothing to debate you're just plain wrong. the laughable argument is that Connolly doesn't do the dirty work. I suggest you look at his stats and come back to me. He does all that every game and then he adds his incredible scoring ability on top of that in physically the mosy demanding position on the pitch.

It was a good laugh anyway- I needed that.

I see on WJs site that mayo got 3- Higgins,Boyle,&Cillian

Quote from: sans pessimism on October 22, 2014, 08:48:11 PM
I see on WJs site that mayo got 3- Higgins,Boyle,&Cillian

If that is correct that would be great. AOS only one unlucky but 3 for semi-finalists that would be a great return.

Mayo has six All Star nominations this year. Full list of all the nominations here;

http://mayoclub51.com/6-all-star-nominations-for-mayo/

Assuming the hurlers are announced on the night...when are the football all stars announced? Tomorrow?

Goalkeeper
1. Paul Durcan (Donegal)
Full backs
2. Paul Murphy (Kerry)
3. Neil McGee (Donegal)
4. Keith Higgins (Mayo)
Half backs
5. James McCarthy (Dublin)
6. Peter Crowley (Kerry)
7. Colm Boyle (Mayo)
Midfielders
8. Neil Gallagher (Donegal)
9. David Moran (Kerry)
Half forwards
10. Paul Flynn (Dublin)
11. Michael Murphy (Donegal)
12. Diarmuid Connolly (Dublin)
Full forwards
13. Cillian O'Connor (Mayo)
14. Kieran Donaghy (Kerry)
15. James O'Donoghue (Kerry)

Pretty much as expected really apart from the HB line, didn't see McCarthy getting one. Thought O'Mahony or McGlynn would get that, though I'd have picked Dessie Mone. There's really not much more he can do individually, he was consistently brilliant this year but because we didn't make the semis he's not considered.

The all stars as a format is done. This year proves it. One player plays two games and gets one. Some players play well all year and don't. It is the team of the year and player of the year. Yet it's not picked on the basis of the year. Just August and September. The players getting ones out of position going on too long as well.

4th All Star for Paul Flynn, very consistent half forward.

Quote from: mrdeeds on October 23, 2014, 10:23:25 AM
The all stars as a format is done. This year proves it. One player plays two games and gets one. Some players play well all year and don't. It is the team of the year and player of the year. Yet it's not picked on the basis of the year. Just August and September. The players getting ones out of position going on too long as well.

Balls... what FF had more of an influence or played better than Kieran Donaghy in the Championship??

Quote from: rodney trotter on October 23, 2014, 10:45:19 AM
4th All Star for Paul Flynn, very consistent half forward.

Of all the players in the country he'd be the first I'd one you'd take if I was building a team from scratch. Does so much well.

Quote from: screenexile on October 23, 2014, 10:49:11 AM

Quote from: mrdeeds on October 23, 2014, 10:23:25 AM
The all stars as a format is done. This year proves it. One player plays two games and gets one. Some players play well all year and don't. It is the team of the year and player of the year. Yet it's not picked on the basis of the year. Just August and September. The players getting ones out of position going on too long as well.

Balls... what FF had more of an influence or played better than Kieran Donaghy in the Championship??

And he got player of the month in September for that but to be considered for the best team in Ireland all year is stretching the truth. In what other sport would someone who played so little get in the team of the year. His stats in the All Ireland final are terrible possession wise and his goal was a keeper mistake. Five influential minutes against Mayo. There you go have an all star. It's the lazy option to give all stars to the four semi finalists and not include other players or consider National League form. Monaghan deserved at least one.

Quote from: mrdeeds on October 23, 2014, 11:10:11 AM

Quote from: screenexile on October 23, 2014, 10:49:11 AM

Quote from: mrdeeds on October 23, 2014, 10:23:25 AM
The all stars as a format is done. This year proves it. One player plays two games and gets one. Some players play well all year and don't. It is the team of the year and player of the year. Yet it's not picked on the basis of the year. Just August and September. The players getting ones out of position going on too long as well.

Balls... what FF had more of an influence or played better than Kieran Donaghy in the Championship??

And he got player of the month in September for that but to be considered for the best team in Ireland all year is stretching the truth. In what other sport would someone who played so little get in the team of the year. His stats in the All Ireland final are terrible possession wise and his goal was a keeper mistake. Five influential minutes against Mayo. There you go have an all star. It's the lazy option to give all stars to the four semi finalists and not include other players or consider National League form. Monaghan deserved at least one.

You still haven't offered up another player that should be getting the All Star ahead of Donaghy!!! It was more than 5 influential minutes against Mayo as well you're forgetting about his display in the 2nd game . . .

Quote from: screenexile on October 23, 2014, 11:47:48 AM

Quote from: mrdeeds on October 23, 2014, 11:10:11 AM

Quote from: screenexile on October 23, 2014, 10:49:11 AM

Quote from: mrdeeds on October 23, 2014, 10:23:25 AM
The all stars as a format is done. This year proves it. One player plays two games and gets one. Some players play well all year and don't. It is the team of the year and player of the year. Yet it's not picked on the basis of the year. Just August and September. The players getting ones out of position going on too long as well.

Balls... what FF had more of an influence or played better than Kieran Donaghy in the Championship??

And he got player of the month in September for that but to be considered for the best team in Ireland all year is stretching the truth. In what other sport would someone who played so little get in the team of the year. His stats in the All Ireland final are terrible possession wise and his goal was a keeper mistake. Five influential minutes against Mayo. There you go have an all star. It's the lazy option to give all stars to the four semi finalists and not include other players or consider National League form. Monaghan deserved at least one.

You still haven't offered up another player that should be getting the All Star ahead of Donaghy!!! It was more than 5 influential minutes against Mayo as well you're forgetting about his display in the 2nd game . . .

Murphy deserves it more than Star. Murphy being moved out is robbing McHugh of an iron clad All-Star. No one could look at the season and say Star was better than McHugh.

Yeah Murphy for me full forward. And Paul Murphy corner back???? And star not only issue. It's high profile players being acomodated. Last year Cian Mackey was in the top two of wing half forwards in the country but missed out on all star as a midfielder was given one in his position. Ryan McHugh Drew Wylie Dessie Mone unfortunate this year. Perhaps Colm O Rourke right in that the GPA is elitest as high profile players are accomodated at the expense of more deserving players. If it's player of championship then call it that and don't dress it up as anything else.

Quote from: Syferus on October 23, 2014, 11:52:10 AM

Quote from: screenexile on October 23, 2014, 11:47:48 AM

Quote from: mrdeeds on October 23, 2014, 11:10:11 AM

Quote from: screenexile on October 23, 2014, 10:49:11 AM

Quote from: mrdeeds on October 23, 2014, 10:23:25 AM
The all stars as a format is done. This year proves it. One player plays two games and gets one. Some players play well all year and don't. It is the team of the year and player of the year. Yet it's not picked on the basis of the year. Just August and September. The players getting ones out of position going on too long as well.

Balls... what FF had more of an influence or played better than Kieran Donaghy in the Championship??

And he got player of the month in September for that but to be considered for the best team in Ireland all year is stretching the truth. In what other sport would someone who played so little get in the team of the year. His stats in the All Ireland final are terrible possession wise and his goal was a keeper mistake. Five influential minutes against Mayo. There you go have an all star. It's the lazy option to give all stars to the four semi finalists and not include other players or consider National League form. Monaghan deserved at least one.

You still haven't offered up another player that should be getting the All Star ahead of Donaghy!!! It was more than 5 influential minutes against Mayo as well you're forgetting about his display in the 2nd game . . .

Murphy deserves it more than Star. Murphy being moved out is robbing McHugh of an iron clad All-Star. No one could look at the season and say Star was better than McHugh.

This is outrageous, talk about justice not done?  Where is Cregger and Shiner? The former been the greatest player to ever kick a ball as per your expert analysis Syferus, the bearded magician got robbed

Donaghy performed in three of the biggest games of the year against some of the best opposition in the country so I'd say he deserves one. That said, McHugh did too.

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Interesting article. Players here winning all stars in spite of early championship exits thanks to form over year.

It's quite simple. If Donaghy wasn't available,  Donegal or Mayo would be All Ireland champions.

He deserves it.

I am not a big fan of this 'award' as too often it flies in the face of reality.  Players picked to get them an award rather than picked in the position they played.

Surprising to see only 5 for Kerry and 3 each for beaten semi-finalists.  Fairly sure if Dublin won the AI, they would have 7-9 All Stars.  Poor selection to 3 Dubs honoured; these guys destroyed inferior division two/three teams and then when the crunch came they were nowhere to be seen against Donegal.  PF and DC were excellent for the first 20 minutes of that game, but when the team needed them to deliver scores in the second half they failed.  Connelly definitely deserved one he was excellent even in that second half. Flynn was not there when it mattered; he got a 'handy' one I feel.  Unbelievably James Mccarthy gets an all-star despite their whole half-back line getting destroyed against Donegal.  This is the award I have most issues with; I can't see any way he deserved one.

For me Aidan O'Mahony is the big looser, he is nine years older than Michael Murphy and completely nullified him in the biggest game of the year.  He was fantastic all year for us and definitely deserved one ahead of McCarthy. Frank McGlynn & Thompson deserved one ahead of McCarthy as well.  A special mention for Donncha Walsh, another consistently good year for him, in my view well deserving of an all-star but alas he doesn't have the media profile of other candidates; hopefully a county final; medal on Sunday will make-up for his omission. 

Quote from: mrdeeds on October 23, 2014, 10:23:25 AM
The all stars as a format is done. This year proves it. One player plays two games and gets one. Some players play well all year and don't. It is the team of the year and player of the year. Yet it's not picked on the basis of the year. Just August and September. The players getting ones out of position going on too long as well.

The semifinals and finals and to a lesser extent the 1/4s are all that really matter. Picking All-Stars based off the provincial c'ships is like Fifa basing the Golden Ball winner on the qualifying matches.

Michael Murphy didn't deserve an All-Star this year.

Is the team defined as "The Team of The Year"? If so I fail to see how anyone could argue for Donaghy.

If it's for biggest impact then surely he'll be winning player of the year too?

McHugh for Donaghy with Murphy going to full forward for me. James McCarthy beggars belief. On the other hand I might be of this view mainly because he had such weak opposition. I think someone like Mone should have got it.

Quote from: SuperDooperCooper on October 23, 2014, 01:33:41 PM
I am not a big fan of this 'award' as too often it flies in the face of reality.  Players picked to get them an award rather than picked in the position they played.

Surprising to see only 5 for Kerry and 3 each for beaten semi-finalists.  Fairly sure if Dublin won the AI, they would have 7-9 All Stars.  Poor selection to 3 Dubs honoured; these guys destroyed inferior division two/three teams and then when the crunch came they were nowhere to be seen against Donegal.  PF and DC were excellent for the first 20 minutes of that game, but when the team needed them to deliver scores in the second half they failed.  Connelly definitely deserved one he was excellent even in that second half. Flynn was not there when it mattered; he got a 'handy' one I feel.  Unbelievably James Mccarthy gets an all-star despite their whole half-back line getting destroyed against Donegal.  This is the award I have most issues with; I can't see any way he deserved one.

For me Aidan O'Mahony is the big looser, he is nine years older than Michael Murphy and completely nullified him in the biggest game of the year.  He was fantastic all year for us and definitely deserved one ahead of McCarthy. Frank McGlynn & Thompson deserved one ahead of McCarthy as well.  A special mention for Donncha Walsh, another consistently good year for him, in my view well deserving of an all-star but alas he doesn't have the media profile of other candidates; hopefully a county final; medal on Sunday will make-up for his omission.

surely Walsh deserved one for his riverdance impression in the first game v Mayo......

Quote from: Esmarelda on October 23, 2014, 02:53:20 PM
Is the team defined as "The Team of The Year"? If so I fail to see how anyone could argue for Donaghy.

If it's for biggest impact then surely he'll be winning player of the year too?

McHugh for Donaghy with Murphy going to full forward for me. James McCarthy beggars belief. On the other hand I might be of this view mainly because he had such weak opposition. I think someone like Mone should have got it.

couldnt agree more. DM had a brilliant season.

Quote from: SuperDooperCooper on October 23, 2014, 01:33:41 PM
I am not a big fan of this 'award' as too often it flies in the face of reality.  Players picked to get them an award rather than picked in the position they played.

Surprising to see only 5 for Kerry and 3 each for beaten semi-finalists.  Fairly sure if Dublin won the AI, they would have 7-9 All Stars.  Poor selection to 3 Dubs honoured; these guys destroyed inferior division two/three teams and then when the crunch came they were nowhere to be seen against Donegal.  PF and DC were excellent for the first 20 minutes of that game, but when the team needed them to deliver scores in the second half they failed.  Connelly definitely deserved one he was excellent even in that second half. Flynn was not there when it mattered; he got a 'handy' one I feel.  Unbelievably James Mccarthy gets an all-star despite their whole half-back line getting destroyed against Donegal.  This is the award I have most issues with; I can't see any way he deserved one.

For me Aidan O'Mahony is the big looser, he is nine years older than Michael Murphy and completely nullified him in the biggest game of the year.  He was fantastic all year for us and definitely deserved one ahead of McCarthy. Frank McGlynn & Thompson deserved one ahead of McCarthy as well.  A special mention for Donncha Walsh, another consistently good year for him, in my view well deserving of an all-star but alas he doesn't have the media profile of other candidates; hopefully a county final; medal on Sunday will make-up for his omission.

Not a bit surprised to see only 5 Kerry players! The surprise is the ones from Kerry who got awards and did not!

Quote from: SuperDooperCooper on October 23, 2014, 01:33:41 PM
I am not a big fan of this 'award' as too often it flies in the face of reality.  Players picked to get them an award rather than picked in the position they played.

Surprising to see only 5 for Kerry and 3 each for beaten semi-finalists.  Fairly sure if Dublin won the AI, they would have 7-9 All Stars.  Poor selection to 3 Dubs honoured; these guys destroyed inferior division two/three teams and then when the crunch came they were nowhere to be seen against Donegal.  PF and DC were excellent for the first 20 minutes of that game, but when the team needed them to deliver scores in the second half they failed.  Connelly definitely deserved one he was excellent even in that second half. Flynn was not there when it mattered; he got a 'handy' one I feel.  Unbelievably James Mccarthy gets an all-star despite their whole half-back line getting destroyed against Donegal.  This is the award I have most issues with; I can't see any way he deserved one.

For me Aidan O'Mahony is the big looser, he is nine years older than Michael Murphy and completely nullified him in the biggest game of the year.  He was fantastic all year for us and definitely deserved one ahead of McCarthy. Frank McGlynn & Thompson deserved one ahead of McCarthy as well.  A special mention for Donncha Walsh, another consistently good year for him, in my view well deserving of an all-star but alas he doesn't have the media profile of other candidates; hopefully a county final; medal on Sunday will make-up for his omission.

Don't be annoying my hole. Kerry lads have been winning All Stars for beating inferior opposition since the year dot.

If you want to take All Stars off Flynn and McCarthy for one  poor half of football well we better take James O Donoghue's off him too because he was crap for the whole AIF.

Then you want to give an All Star to Aidan O Mahony because he marked a lad out of it that was younger than him? I don;t remember seeing special exemptions for auld lads anywehere in the selection criteria. And he wasn't fantastic all year he was adequate. He may have just about deserved one but it should be at the expense of Paul Murphy or Peter Crowley who only got one to boost Kerry's numbers up a bit.

The reason Kerry have only 5 nominations is because they are the worst team to win an All Ireland in living memory. Fitzmaurice deserves a Nobel Prize for miracles.

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Quote from: SuperDooperCooper on October 23, 2014, 01:33:41 PM
I am not a big fan of this 'award' as too often it flies in the face of reality.  Players picked to get them an award rather than picked in the position they played.

Surprising to see only 5 for Kerry and 3 each for beaten semi-finalists.  Fairly sure if Dublin won the AI, they would have 7-9 All Stars.  Poor selection to 3 Dubs honoured; these guys destroyed inferior division two/three teams and then when the crunch came they were nowhere to be seen against Donegal.  PF and DC were excellent for the first 20 minutes of that game, but when the team needed them to deliver scores in the second half they failed.  Connelly definitely deserved one he was excellent even in that second half. Flynn was not there when it mattered; he got a 'handy' one I feel.  Unbelievably James Mccarthy gets an all-star despite their whole half-back line getting destroyed against Donegal.  This is the award I have most issues with; I can't see any way he deserved one.

For me Aidan O'Mahony is the big looser, he is nine years older than Michael Murphy and completely nullified him in the biggest game of the year.  He was fantastic all year for us and definitely deserved one ahead of McCarthy. Frank McGlynn & Thompson deserved one ahead of McCarthy as well.  A special mention for Donncha Walsh, another consistently good year for him, in my view well deserving of an all-star but alas he doesn't have the media profile of other candidates; hopefully a county final; medal on Sunday will make-up for his omission.

Bullshit AOM had six players in front of him helping him mark no-one. At least Mc carthy takes respnsibility for marking his bloody man!

AOM was replaced against Mayo. I was surprised Mc Carthy got one but it should have been Mc Glynn to get one not AOM.

Next you'll be telling me Donncha Walsh is a better player then Flynn and Connolly. There is no wing forward in Ireland that could lace their boots. flynn is up there with the Doohers and Spillane's as one of the finest wing forwards ever to play the game.

Walsh is a good player but  This idea that he's turned into Paul Galvin overnight is Kerry created and nobody else. I think for his level of natural ability he's carved out a very good career for himself and good luck to him.

But he wouldn't get into Dublin's half forward line never mind being selected ahead of of either of our wing forwards. Five was  a fair number when you consider Kerry's soft route to the final. Bar Mayo you beat no-one to get there.

You've built up a huge number of all-irelands beating shit teams on route to an AI semi final every godamn year.

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Quote from: mrdeeds on October 23, 2014, 10:23:25 AM
The all stars as a format is done. This year proves it. One player plays two games and gets one. Some players play well all year and don't. It is the team of the year and player of the year. Yet it's not picked on the basis of the year. Just August and September. The players getting ones out of position going on too long as well.

The semifinals and finals and to a lesser extent the 1/4s are all that really matter. Picking All-Stars based off the provincial c'ships is like Fifa basing the Golden Ball winner on the qualifying matches.

Kerry lost no inter-county game while Donegal, Dublin and Mayo only lost 1 [Mayo after a replay and extra-time with Kerry]

All other teams lost 2 inter-county games in a lot of cases against far weaker opposition.

Kerry were never going to get more than 5 All Stars. The final was boring and disappointing. They got 2 more than a Mayo team they played against with an extra man for a half of the first game and had an extra man for a virtual home game for the replay and extra time.

Donnacha Walsh is better than Connolly as well.
I think the allstars were so evenly divided this year because any of the 4 could have won Sam on their day.
But it's very dull for the rest of us. Armagh deserved an award on behalf of fallen women such as Meath and Galway.

Quote from: seafoid on October 23, 2014, 07:32:20 PM
Donnacha Walsh is better than Connolly as well.
I think the allstars were so evenly divided this year because any of the 4 could have won Sam on their day.
But it's very dull for the rest of us. Armagh deserved an award on behalf of fallen women such as Meath and Galway.

Ah sure ye have the Sticks game to keep ye entertained with All Stars when ye are not doing well with the Big Ball!

I must say,  it has been a very satisfying year indeed.

Sam in the Kingdom where he belongs, AI minor champions and all the begrudgers spitting bile.

good times, good times indeed  8)

Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 23, 2014, 08:16:36 PM
I must say,  it has been a very satisfying year indeed.

Sam in the Kingdom where he belongs, AI minor champions and all the begrudgers spitting bile.

good times, good times indeed  8)

At last - you appreciate how we felt in 2008.  ;D

I think the last time All Ireland winning Kerry side only won five All-Stars was in 1997 which is fair enough as this years Kerry team were the worst to win Sam since then. I think two All-Stars each would have been enough for the semi final losers and two All-Stars (one each) at least should have gone to a few quarter final losers.

Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 23, 2014, 08:52:32 PM
I think the last time All Ireland winning Kerry side only won five All-Stars was in 1997 which is fair enough as this years Kerry team were the worst to win Sam since then. I think two All-Stars each would have been enough for the semi final losers and two All-Stars (one each) at least should have gone to a few quarter final losers.

Which Mayo player would you leave out if it was down to 2 from the semifinalists?

Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 23, 2014, 08:52:32 PM
I think the last time All Ireland winning Kerry side only won five All-Stars was in 1997 which is fair enough as this years Kerry team were the worst to win Sam since then. I think two All-Stars each would have been enough for the semi final losers and two All-Stars (one each) at least should have gone to a few quarter final losers.

If Kerry had gone out in first semi final, probably only O Donoghue and Moran would have got All Stars. Donaghy's cameo bagged Kerry another AI and himself and 2 xtra Kerrymen All Stars. Those are the swings.
Mayo s 3 were very worthy and not just because Mayo pushed the eventual winners harder than anybody else. Only losing because of a mixture of endemic naiveness and misfortune. However from a Mayo point view nobody else was really very close. Makes you wonder what could have happened if likes of Keegan, McLoughlin, O Sheas, Doherty and Moran could have gone from 6/7 to 8/9 out of 10 in Croke Park and er.... Limerick.

Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 23, 2014, 09:25:15 PM

Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 23, 2014, 08:52:32 PM
I think the last time All Ireland winning Kerry side only won five All-Stars was in 1997 which is fair enough as this years Kerry team were the worst to win Sam since then. I think two All-Stars each would have been enough for the semi final losers and two All-Stars (one each) at least should have gone to a few quarter final losers.

Which Mayo player would you leave out if it was down to 2 from the semifinalists?

One couldn t leave any out imo.

I suppose you could pick All-Stars on a quota system but........
Back in the day all the provincial winners used to get one it seemed. Now it looks like its down to the last 4.
It is very difficult to make a case for a performance earlier in the year when intensity is lower and quality not as good.

Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 23, 2014, 09:25:15 PM

Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 23, 2014, 08:52:32 PM
I think the last time All Ireland winning Kerry side only won five All-Stars was in 1997 which is fair enough as this years Kerry team were the worst to win Sam since then. I think two All-Stars each would have been enough for the semi final losers and two All-Stars (one each) at least should have gone to a few quarter final losers.

Which Mayo player would you leave out if it was down to 2 from the semifinalists?

Boyle or Higgins I suppose. Mayos defence wasn't as strong as the last two years yet you got the most All-Stars from that area this year? Armagh reached the quarter final defeating and holding Tyrone to a low score along the way and lost by just one point to Donegal I have seen All-Stars won for less.

Quote from: BennyHarp on October 23, 2014, 08:40:32 PM

Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 23, 2014, 08:16:36 PM
I must say,  it has been a very satisfying year indeed.

Sam in the Kingdom where he belongs, AI minor champions and all the begrudgers spitting bile.

good times, good times indeed  8)

At last - you appreciate how we felt in 2008.  ;D

I'm more concerned with how ye are feeing right now.......  ;)
Don't worry. There is always the McKenna cup.

I myself would not awarded Donaghy an all-star for what, 2 games and half, how that a basis for the best team of players through the whole year, better call it the team of august/September and not all star team of the year. Its up there with Canavan getting an all-star instead of McGugian cause who he is.
The all-stars have been a running joke now for 20 odd years since Brian Whelehan in the hurling did not get one but go Hurler of the year. Murphy should be at full forward. Its time they went back to picking players in fixed positions, the only way the hard decisions will be made, Though O`Shea should have got one.

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 23, 2014, 10:25:17 PM
I myself would not awarded Donaghy an all-star for what, 2 games and half, how that a basis for the best team of players through the whole year, better call it the team of august/September and not all star team of the year. Its up there with Canavan getting an all-star instead of McGugian cause who he is.
The all-stars have been a running joke now for 20 odd years since Brian Whelehan in the hurling did not get one but go Hurler of the year. Murphy should be at full forward. Its time they went back to picking players in fixed positions, the only way the hard decisions will be made, Though O`Shea should have got one.

What?! Did that really happen? And I thought Ronan Clarke was hard done by in 2002!

Quote from: INDIANA on October 23, 2014, 05:57:59 PM

Quote from: SuperDooperCooper on October 23, 2014, 01:33:41 PM
I am not a big fan of this 'award' as too often it flies in the face of reality.  Players picked to get them an award rather than picked in the position they played.

Surprising to see only 5 for Kerry and 3 each for beaten semi-finalists.  Fairly sure if Dublin won the AI, they would have 7-9 All Stars.  Poor selection to 3 Dubs honoured; these guys destroyed inferior division two/three teams and then when the crunch came they were nowhere to be seen against Donegal.  PF and DC were excellent for the first 20 minutes of that game, but when the team needed them to deliver scores in the second half they failed.  Connelly definitely deserved one he was excellent even in that second half. Flynn was not there when it mattered; he got a 'handy' one I feel.  Unbelievably James Mccarthy gets an all-star despite their whole half-back line getting destroyed against Donegal.  This is the award I have most issues with; I can't see any way he deserved one.

For me Aidan O'Mahony is the big looser, he is nine years older than Michael Murphy and completely nullified him in the biggest game of the year.  He was fantastic all year for us and definitely deserved one ahead of McCarthy. Frank McGlynn & Thompson deserved one ahead of McCarthy as well.  A special mention for Donncha Walsh, another consistently good year for him, in my view well deserving of an all-star but alas he doesn't have the media profile of other candidates; hopefully a county final; medal on Sunday will make-up for his omission.

Bullshit AOM had six players in front of him helping him mark no-one. At least Mc carthy takes respnsibility for marking his bloody man!

AOM was replaced against Mayo. I was surprised Mc Carthy got one but it should have been Mc Glynn to get one not AOM.

Next you'll be telling me Donncha Walsh is a better player then Flynn and Connolly. There is no wing forward in Ireland that could lace their boots. flynn is up there with the Doohers and Spillane's as one of the finest wing forwards ever to play the game.

Walsh is a good player but  This idea that he's turned into Paul Galvin overnight is Kerry created and nobody else. I think for his level of natural ability he's carved out a very good career for himself and good luck to him.

But he wouldn't get into Dublin's half forward line never mind being selected ahead of of either of our wing forwards. Five was  a fair number when you consider Kerry's soft route to the final. Bar Mayo you beat no-one to get there.

You've built up a huge number of all-irelands beating shit teams on route to an AI semi final every godamn year.

Dublin have won 9/10 Leinsters... are you seriously using that argument against Kerry??

Quote from: BennyCake on October 23, 2014, 11:08:28 PM

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 23, 2014, 10:25:17 PM
I myself would not awarded Donaghy an all-star for what, 2 games and half, how that a basis for the best team of players through the whole year, better call it the team of august/September and not all star team of the year. Its up there with Canavan getting an all-star instead of McGugian cause who he is.
The all-stars have been a running joke now for 20 odd years since Brian Whelehan in the hurling did not get one but go Hurler of the year. Murphy should be at full forward. Its time they went back to picking players in fixed positions, the only way the hard decisions will be made, Though O`Shea should have got one.

What?! Did that really happen? And I thought Ronan Clarke was hard done by in 2002!

Read all about it here - http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/whelahan-all-star-omission-when-player-of-year-still-haunts-selection-discussions-1.1971773

Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 23, 2014, 10:10:29 PM

Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 23, 2014, 09:25:15 PM

Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 23, 2014, 08:52:32 PM
I think the last time All Ireland winning Kerry side only won five All-Stars was in 1997 which is fair enough as this years Kerry team were the worst to win Sam since then. I think two All-Stars each would have been enough for the semi final losers and two All-Stars (one each) at least should have gone to a few quarter final losers.

Which Mayo player would you leave out if it was down to 2 from the semifinalists?

Boyle or Higgins I suppose. Mayos defence wasn't as strong as the last two years yet you got the most All-Stars from that area this year? Armagh reached the quarter final defeating and holding Tyrone to a low score along the way and lost by just one point to Donegal I have seen All-Stars won for less.

That would be dreadful! 2 little lads that not only held their own, were putting out other's fires as well.
This was in a team set-up that was not as defensive as likes of Armagh, Donegal or Kerry. The reason our defence wasn t as strong as the last 2 years is because it was never strong in the last 2 years! Dunno where that nonsense came from but if people read enough shite often enough they believe it.
Horan always used his backs to take up the attack and forwards as the first defenders. No blanket or sweepers. It meant that when we lost ball going forward ( which we often did and the rock we perished on frequently) we were scrambling at the back. The fact that we managed to get so close with that system is a miracle in itself. Look what happened the Dublin team that thought they could go toe to toe.
Higgins and Boyle are probably the 2 most deserving All Stars of all those selected under the circumstances.

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Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 23, 2014, 10:10:29 PM

Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 23, 2014, 09:25:15 PM

Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 23, 2014, 08:52:32 PM
I think the last time All Ireland winning Kerry side only won five All-Stars was in 1997 which is fair enough as this years Kerry team were the worst to win Sam since then. I think two All-Stars each would have been enough for the semi final losers and two All-Stars (one each) at least should have gone to a few quarter final losers.

Which Mayo player would you leave out if it was down to 2 from the semifinalists?

Boyle or Higgins I suppose. Mayos defence wasn't as strong as the last two years yet you got the most All-Stars from that area this year? Armagh reached the quarter final defeating and holding Tyrone to a low score along the way and lost by just one point to Donegal I have seen All-Stars won for less.

That would be dreadful! 2 little lads that not only held their own, were putting out other's fires as well.
This was in a team set-up that was not as defensive as likes of Armagh, Donegal or Kerry. The reason our defence wasn t as strong as the last 2 years is because it was never strong in the last 2 years! Dunno where that nonsense came from but if people read enough shite often enough they believe it.
Horan always used his backs to take up the attack and forwards as the first defenders. No blanket or sweepers. It meant that when we lost ball going forward ( which we often did and the rock we perished on frequently) we were scrambling at the back. The fact that we managed to get so close with that system is a miracle in itself. Look what happened the Dublin team that thought they could go toe to toe.
Higgins and Boyle are probably the 2 most deserving All Stars of all those selected under the circumstances.

Mayo conceded something like twenty three goals in league and championship this year to just eight last year. When this thread started I too had all three Mayo men selected as All-Stars however my feeling since is All-Stars possibly should be more spread out and not just confined to just the four semi finalists.

I saw no one on the losing QF teams deserving of an All-Star. If McKeever wasn't injured and continued his previous form in the Meath and Donegal games he would have had a shout but you'd be severely pushing logic to say any of them deserved All-Stars over who was picked, besides young Star of course.

Quote from: Syferus on October 24, 2014, 02:38:28 AM
I saw no one on the losing QF teams deserving of an All-Star. If McKeever wasn't injured and continued his previous form in the Meath and Donegal games he would have had a shout but you'd be severely pushing logic to say any of them deserved All-Stars over who was picked, besides young Star of course.

Andy Mallon and Stefan Campbell were more deserving candidates than McKeever from Armagh. Campbell wasn't nominated and Mallon can feel a little aggrieved. Dessie Mone unlucky to be edged out by McCarthy

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Quote from: INDIANA on October 23, 2014, 05:57:59 PM

Quote from: SuperDooperCooper on October 23, 2014, 01:33:41 PM
I am not a big fan of this 'award' as too often it flies in the face of reality.  Players picked to get them an award rather than picked in the position they played.

Surprising to see only 5 for Kerry and 3 each for beaten semi-finalists.  Fairly sure if Dublin won the AI, they would have 7-9 All Stars.  Poor selection to 3 Dubs honoured; these guys destroyed inferior division two/three teams and then when the crunch came they were nowhere to be seen against Donegal.  PF and DC were excellent for the first 20 minutes of that game, but when the team needed them to deliver scores in the second half they failed.  Connelly definitely deserved one he was excellent even in that second half. Flynn was not there when it mattered; he got a 'handy' one I feel.  Unbelievably James Mccarthy gets an all-star despite their whole half-back line getting destroyed against Donegal.  This is the award I have most issues with; I can't see any way he deserved one.

For me Aidan O'Mahony is the big looser, he is nine years older than Michael Murphy and completely nullified him in the biggest game of the year.  He was fantastic all year for us and definitely deserved one ahead of McCarthy. Frank McGlynn & Thompson deserved one ahead of McCarthy as well.  A special mention for Donncha Walsh, another consistently good year for him, in my view well deserving of an all-star but alas he doesn't have the media profile of other candidates; hopefully a county final; medal on Sunday will make-up for his omission.

Bullshit AOM had six players in front of him helping him mark no-one. At least Mc carthy takes respnsibility for marking his bloody man!

AOM was replaced against Mayo. I was surprised Mc Carthy got one but it should have been Mc Glynn to get one not AOM.

Next you'll be telling me Donncha Walsh is a better player then Flynn and Connolly. There is no wing forward in Ireland that could lace their boots. flynn is up there with the Doohers and Spillane's as one of the finest wing forwards ever to play the game.

Walsh is a good player but  This idea that he's turned into Paul Galvin overnight is Kerry created and nobody else. I think for his level of natural ability he's carved out a very good career for himself and good luck to him.

But he wouldn't get into Dublin's half forward line never mind being selected ahead of of either of our wing forwards. Five was  a fair number when you consider Kerry's soft route to the final. Bar Mayo you beat no-one to get there.

You've built up a huge number of all-irelands beating shit teams on route to an AI semi final every godamn year.

Dublin have won 9/10 Leinsters... are you seriously using that argument against Kerry??

I know, its gas isn't it.  Its as bad as something the likes of "bart" might say over on reservoirdubs.com  ;) Completely Delusional.

Quote from: LCohen on October 24, 2014, 10:16:15 AM

Quote from: Syferus on October 24, 2014, 02:38:28 AM
I saw no one on the losing QF teams deserving of an All-Star. If McKeever wasn't injured and continued his previous form in the Meath and Donegal games he would have had a shout but you'd be severely pushing logic to say any of them deserved All-Stars over who was picked, besides young Star of course.

Andy Mallon and Stefan Campbell were more deserving candidates than McKeever from Armagh. Campbell wasn't nominated and Mallon can feel a little aggrieved. Dessie Mone unlucky to be edged out by McCarthy

Don't know where this love-in for Mallon has came from in Ulster (an old war-horse giving it a big push?) but his best moments were when we (Roscommon) literally forget he even existed and allowed him to score the easiest point an IC footballer has been gifted in many's a year and then Donegal doing a good impression of the same trick two weeks later. He was decent but if you think he deserved an All-Star above Higgins or Paul Murphy I don't know what to say.

No way Campbell was more deserving than those picked. McKeever was always Armagh's only real shout for an All-Star and his injury put those hopes in the grave.

Mone? C'mon now, stop this Ulster bias stuff - O'Mahony was more deserving than Mone was this year, he was the one that has a right to feel aggrieved. Star and McCarthy were the only question marks on this year's team and the players you mentioned weren't the ones that were left out in the cold because of those picks.

I'm surprised that with all the Armagh names being mentioned that Dyas isn't top of that list.

None of them deserving of an All-Star in my opinion.

Quote from: Syferus on October 24, 2014, 04:43:05 PM

Quote from: LCohen on October 24, 2014, 10:16:15 AM

Quote from: Syferus on October 24, 2014, 02:38:28 AM
I saw no one on the losing QF teams deserving of an All-Star. If McKeever wasn't injured and continued his previous form in the Meath and Donegal games he would have had a shout but you'd be severely pushing logic to say any of them deserved All-Stars over who was picked, besides young Star of course.

Andy Mallon and Stefan Campbell were more deserving candidates than McKeever from Armagh. Campbell wasn't nominated and Mallon can feel a little aggrieved. Dessie Mone unlucky to be edged out by McCarthy

Don't know where this love-in for Mallon has came from in Ulster (an old war-horse giving it a big push?) but his best moments were when we (Roscommon) literally forget he even existed and allowed him to score the easiest point an IC footballer has been gifted in many's a year and then Donegal doing a good impression of the same trick two weeks later. He was decent but if you think he deserved an All-Star above Higgins or Paul Murphy I don't know what to say.

No way Campbell was more deserving than those picked. McKeever was always Armagh's only real shout for an All-Star and his injury put those hopes in the grave.

Mone? C'mon now, stop this Ulster bias stuff - O'Mahony was more deserving than Mone was this year, he was the one that has a right to feel aggrieved. Star and McCarthy were the only question marks on this year's team and the players you mentioned weren't the ones that were left out in the cold because of those picks.

Syf

Ros's last Allstar was Grehan in 2001
When should we expect the next wan ?

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I Don't know where this love-in for Mallon has came from in Ulster (an old war-horse giving it a big push?) but his best moments were when we (Roscommon) literally forget he even existed and allowed him to score the easiest point an IC footballer has been gifted in many's a year and then Donegal doing a good impression of the same trick two weeks later.

Old war horse? He would be around the same age as Keith Higgins. His best moments was holding good forwards to low scores that's what defenders normally stand out for..

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I Don't know where this love-in for Mallon has came from in Ulster (an old war-horse giving it a big push?) but his best moments were when we (Roscommon) literally forget he even existed and allowed him to score the easiest point an IC footballer has been gifted in many's a year and then Donegal doing a good impression of the same trick two weeks later.

Old war horse? He would be around the same age as Keith Higgins. His best moments was holding good forwards to low scores that's what defenders normally stand out for..

2005 v 2003 for their debuts, but the real difference would be the small fact Higgins actually deserves an All-Star.

Higgins is the only Connacht player to win both football & hurling Railway Cup medals.

Tipperary got more than Kilkenny and Munster champions none. Three teams represented. All stars are done as a format.

I safely predict it will be a long time before Ulster gets this many All Stars again.

Flawed process in my opinion the all stars, I feel Ulster and Lenster teams come up against tougher opposition in the provincial run, whereas Mayo and Kerry have 1 major tussle to overcome the Ulster and Leinster championships are a tough campaign in themselves, and less credit is due to the teams that work their way to the latter stages of the championship coming from each Provence.

This year Armagh came up against Monaghan twice in two tough battles, only to have to face Tyrone in the qualifiers, Roscommon, Meath and eventually Donegal, another close encounter. During there run I would argue that several players warented  the praise heaped on them, imho Andy Mallon, who was consistently great and was unlucky to miss out!

On the other side of the coin, armagh only managed to get to the quarter finals, with seven other teams and failed to progress to the business end! Can players from one of the top eight teams get an all star, in armaghs case they had harder matches and the awkward route to get there, but when it came crunch time the players didn't produce!

If you take the second point that a team in the quarter finals just would be hard placed to get an all star, then there can be no arguments as to donaghys inclusion, who undobtly had his best games on the biggest days!

The 2015 draw is a good example of the campian a team can go through before they get out of their own province, whereas Mayo play the winners of NY, Galway or Leitrim to make a final and get a qf spot, Tyrone would have to play Donegal, Armagh, down/ Derry to make a final!

Who says the quarter finals of a championship are nothing to rave about!

Lol @ Leinster being a tough campaign. Keep pumping up Ulster though, it makes everyone else's job that much easier when Ulster teams come out of their province thinking running around with the ball up their jumpers for 70 minutes equals a brutally tough championship.

Can anyone justify journalists involvement in the selection process to me?

Quote from: DuffleKing on October 24, 2014, 08:40:36 PM

Can anyone justify journalists involvement in the selection process to me?

No, especially as I am sure they have their own favourites, players that never refuse an interview etc

Quote from: Saffrongael on October 24, 2014, 08:55:37 PM

Quote from: DuffleKing on October 24, 2014, 08:40:36 PM

Can anyone justify journalists involvement in the selection process to me?

No, especially as I am sure they have their own favourites, players that never refuse an interview etc

So who would be qualified to select the All-Stars and who wouldn't have favourites? As far as I can see, journalists are as qualified as anyone and see more games than pretty much everyone so not a bad body of people to have picking it.

Quote from: Zulu on October 24, 2014, 09:05:33 PM

Quote from: Saffrongael on October 24, 2014, 08:55:37 PM

Quote from: DuffleKing on October 24, 2014, 08:40:36 PM

Can anyone justify journalists involvement in the selection process to me?

No, especially as I am sure they have their own favourites, players that never refuse an interview etc

So who would be qualified to select the All-Stars and who wouldn't have favourites? As far as I can see, journalists are as qualified as anyone and see more games than pretty much everyone so not a bad body of people to have picking it.

Zulu is right. The journalists are the only body qualified to make the judgements.

Where this process falls down is that journalists don't always take their jobs are seriously as they ought to. It's genuinely bizarre to see how Americans twist their knickers over the voting process for the football and baseball Halls of Fame, while our lads seem quite content to decide the All-Stars over a feed of chicken wings and chips and several gallons of porter.

Eddie Brennan agrees with me anyway, from Twitter earlier.

just stating that media engagement certainly carries weight!

Conor fogartys interviews didn't match his performances on the field #joke #AllStars

The whole thing has lost credibility but that isn't just because of the people picking it. Donaghy no more deserves an All Star then me or you if the thing is meant to reflect performances over the course of 2014, however, if it's just championship then an argument can be made. If the All Stars were called the All Ireland series All Stars so only those games could win you one then it would help return some credibility.

It's a pity really as they should be very prestigious awards and something we should care and argue about but it isn't anymore.

Average overall team reflects the current sad state of Gaelic Football.  Oh for a return to the noughties. 

A joke how Donaghy got an All Star on the back of 2 decent performances in the last two games. More based on his persona and the whole 'star' myth that has built up around him when in reality he was rubbish until the last month of the season. McCarthy was another strange selection, O'Mahoney, Thompson or McGlynn were more deserving than him.

Kerry would not have won the AI without Donaghy. Seldom has a player been more influential in a team winning an AI. Does that count?

Happy enough!

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These awards are a bit like X Factor. Not to be taken seriously but spark huge debate and controversy.

The all stars became irrelevant a long time ago. Moving Michael Murphy to half forward line rather than having to choose between him and Donaghy proves what a joke they have become. To think 2 good games can get you an all star. Donaghy should thank Paul Duncan for his one. If he doesn't kick the ball straight to him he doesn't get the award.

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Quote from: Zulu on October 24, 2014, 09:05:33 PM

Quote from: Saffrongael on October 24, 2014, 08:55:37 PM

Quote from: DuffleKing on October 24, 2014, 08:40:36 PM

Can anyone justify journalists involvement in the selection process to me?

No, especially as I am sure they have their own favourites, players that never refuse an interview etc

So who would be qualified to select the All-Stars and who wouldn't have favourites? As far as I can see, journalists are as qualified as anyone and see more games than pretty much everyone so not a bad body of people to have picking it.

Zulu is right. The journalists are the only body qualified to make the judgements.

Where this process falls down is that journalists don't always take their jobs are seriously as they ought to. It's genuinely bizarre to see how Americans twist their knickers over the voting process for the football and baseball Halls of Fame, while our lads seem quite content to decide the All-Stars over a feed of chicken wings and chips and several gallons of porter.

As far as I'm concerned, Gaelic Games journalists consistently demonstrate their complete lack of understanding of the game on a weekly basis. More often than not, they follow the PR that teams feed them and have little to no analytical capacity. Most have not played, coached or been involve in football at any decent level.

All Stars should be picked by a ten man panel as follows:

Each of the 4 Provincial Player groupings should meet and discuss their views and nominate a representative to bring those views forward.
Each of the  Provincial manager groupings should meet to discuss their views and nominate a representative to bring forward those views
Players and managers from provinicial and all ireland champions are excluded as group reps
The GAA nominates a representative
The Journalists meet to discuss their views and nominate their a representative to bring their views forward.

4 players
4 managers
1 Central Council rep
1 journalist rep

A good few players, including top ones, haven't a clue either and most of them see less football than anyone. There's no perfect way to pick them and it all comes down to opinions and a bit of horse trading in the end. Would the All Start selections have looked massively different if any other group selected them?

The limited range of counties involved this year is a sign of the times. The top 4 are ahead of the rest and it makes for  less interesting championship for neutrals.
When the tournament is more open 6 or 7 counties can be represented in the all Stars.   

Quote from: yellowcard on October 24, 2014, 11:46:55 PM
A joke how Donaghy got an All Star on the back of 2 decent performances in the last two games. More based on his persona and the whole 'star' myth that has built up around him when in reality he was rubbish until the last month of the season. McCarthy was another strange selection, O'Mahoney, Thompson or McGlynn were more deserving than him.

Donaghy was injured for a good part of the year, missed all the league and good part of the championship, groin and shoulder,, not sure how you could say he was rubbish until the last month of the season.

The drawn Mayo game was his first appareance of the year for Kerry. Made a big impact when needed.

Quote from: rodney trotter on October 25, 2014, 08:04:26 PM

Quote from: yellowcard on October 24, 2014, 11:46:55 PM
A joke how Donaghy got an All Star on the back of 2 decent performances in the last two games. More based on his persona and the whole 'star' myth that has built up around him when in reality he was rubbish until the last month of the season. McCarthy was another strange selection, O'Mahoney, Thompson or McGlynn were more deserving than him.

Donaghy was injured for a good part of the year, missed all the league and good part of the championship, groin and shoulder,, not sure how you could say he was rubbish until the last month of the season.

The drawn Mayo game was his first appareance of the year for Kerry. Made a big impact when needed.

In fairness he was very poor since 2011 anyways. One of the most inexplicable comebacks of all time, he'd looked shot for almost three entire seasons before he came back and put a real shift in in the replay.

There's a huge overreaction to Donaghy's AllStar. If Donaghy had played 5 1/2 games of which he had a huge influence in 2 1/2 games and was average in 2 games there would have been no fuss, so removing the 2 average games from the equation shouldn't cause a fuss either.
In 1994 John Leahy won an AllStar without playing a single minute of CShip. In 1983 Colm O'Rourke won an AllStar from 2 games played, one of which was a 3-9 to 0-3 loss. Jack O'Shea also won an AllStar that year from 2 games played.
I'm sure players have won AllStars from only one game played.

Quote from: blanketattack on October 25, 2014, 08:19:59 PM
There's a huge overreaction to Donaghy's AllStar. If Donaghy had played 5 1/2 games of which he had a huge influence in 2 1/2 games and was average in 2 games there would have been no fuss, so removing the 2 average games from the equation shouldn't cause a fuss either.
In 1994 John Leahy won an AllStar without playing a single minute of CShip. In 1983 Colm O'Rourke won an AllStar from 2 games played, one of which was a 3-9 to 0-3 loss. Jack O'Shea also won an AllStar that year from 2 games played.
I'm sure players have won AllStars from only one game played.

And that's why it's a joke.

Quote from: mrdeeds on October 25, 2014, 08:35:34 PM

Quote from: blanketattack on October 25, 2014, 08:19:59 PM
There's a huge overreaction to Donaghy's AllStar. If Donaghy had played 5 1/2 games of which he had a huge influence in 2 1/2 games and was average in 2 games there would have been no fuss, so removing the 2 average games from the equation shouldn't cause a fuss either.
In 1994 John Leahy won an AllStar without playing a single minute of CShip. In 1983 Colm O'Rourke won an AllStar from 2 games played, one of which was a 3-9 to 0-3 loss. Jack O'Shea also won an AllStar that year from 2 games played.
I'm sure players have won AllStars from only one game played.

And that's why it's a joke.

not if there are only 3 matches in the year that count, as this year

Why did only 3 games count?

So essentialy it's players of August and September then.

Quote from: Zulu on October 25, 2014, 08:54:31 PM
Why did only 3 games count?

2 semis and the final
The rest of the counties (with the exception of Armagh maybe ) were just making up the numbers
The Dubs waltzed through Leinster, Mayo had an easy run in connacht etc 

Quote from: seafoid on October 25, 2014, 09:03:24 PM

Quote from: Zulu on October 25, 2014, 08:54:31 PM
Why did only 3 games count?

2 semis and the final
The rest of the counties (with the exception of Armagh maybe ) were just making up the numbers
The Dubs waltzed through Leinster, Mayo had an easy run in connacht etc

Only against the flopping fisheens.

Quote from: seafoid on October 25, 2014, 09:03:24 PM

Quote from: Zulu on October 25, 2014, 08:54:31 PM
Why did only 3 games count?

2 semis and the final
The rest of the counties (with the exception of Armagh maybe ) were just making up the numbers
The Dubs waltzed through Leinster, Mayo had an easy run in connacht etc

So we should only take into account the games involving 'challengers' and even then only if both teams turn up? It's nonsense to give Donaghy, or any other player, an All Star on the basis of 2 games but the All Stars have been reduced to that.

Quote from: seafoid on October 25, 2014, 09:03:24 PM

Quote from: Zulu on October 25, 2014, 08:54:31 PM
Why did only 3 games count?

2 semis and the final
The rest of the counties (with the exception of Armagh maybe ) were just making up the numbers
The Dubs waltzed through Leinster, Mayo had an easy run in connacht etc

??
Mayo were damn lucky to scrape past the sheepophiles.

The introduction of the black card has definitely led to higher scores in the games this year :

2013 All Stars 10-7 2014 All Stars 5-5


There was an easy win for the 2013 team, managed by Dublin's Jim Gavin, in the GAA-GPA All Stars exhibition match in the Irish Cultural Centre in Canton, Boston.
The winners established control early in proceedings and survived a mini-revival in the second half to romp home by 17 points.
Scoring honours went to Dublin's Bernard Brogan who shot three goals for the 2013 team but he was ably assisted by Conor McManus and Aidan O'Shea, who scored 2-2 breaking from centrefield.
At the back the winners, well marshalled by Rory O'Carroll, managed to hold Michael Murphy and Cillian O'Connor scoreless and there was also a star turn by Mayo goalkeeper Rob Hennelly who made a series of saves to keep his team well in command.
At one stage, Hennelly decided to venture up the field and nearly got on the end of a goal scoring move before facing the long journey home to his square.
Donegal's Paddy McBrearty was the busiest of the 2014 forwards for whom rising Galway star Shane Walsh also showed well, scoring a goal from a first-half penalty.
Manager of the 2014 team James Horan may have permitted himself a wry smile at the sight of Keith Higgins bursting forward from defence to crack in the team's two second-half goals – given the former Mayo manager's one-time dilemma over whether to play Higgins in attack or defence.
A good-sized crowd of around 700 enjoyed the match on a sunny but freezing afternoon.
In the curtain raiser, a late rally by New York secured a draw against Boston.
2013 ALL STARS: R Hennelly (Mayo); L Keegan (Mayo), R O'Carroll (Dublin), D Wylie (Monaghan); C Boyle (Mayo; 0-1), T Kernan (Armagh; 1-1); A O'Shea (Mayo; 2-2), S O'Shea (Mayo); S Cavanagh (Tyrone; 1-0), D Walsh (Kerry; 1-0); C McManus (Monaghan; 1-1), B Brogan (Dublin; 3-0), M Dunne (Cavan; 1-2).
2014 ALL STARS: P Durcan (Donegal); K Higgins (Mayo; 2-0), N McGee (Donegal), C Clarke (Cavan); F Fitzgerald (Kerry), C O'Riordan (Tipperary); D Moran (Kerry; 0-1, free), N Gallagher (Donegal; 1-0); R McHugh (Donegal; 0-1), M Murphy (Donegal); C O'Connor (Mayo), S Walsh (Galway; 1-1, goal penalty), P McBrearty (Donegal; 1-2).
Referee: E Kinsella (Laois)

How was our kicking lads?

Quote from: Jinxy on November 30, 2014, 12:45:00 AM
How was our kicking lads?

Aidan O'Shea's was definitely improved. An impressive 2-2 from him.

Yeah, but this is the game he actually plays.
Get back to me when he can kick a size 4 in makey-uppey rules once a year.

Quote from: Jinxy on November 30, 2014, 11:27:49 AM
Yeah, but this is the game he actually plays.
Get back to me when he can kick a size 4 in makey-uppey rules once a year.

They're working on it for next year's "tests" - training will be 8 nights a week from the start of January for the Oz rules in 2015.  And it's not size 4 - it's more like a 4.5.  ;)

Dry = 4
Wet = 4.5

Quote from: Jinxy on November 30, 2014, 11:49:50 AM
Dry = 4
Wet = 4.5

Stop boasting.

Few interviews from it http://t.co/dKX0kEpBXu

Quote from: Jinxy on November 30, 2014, 11:27:49 AM
Yeah, but this is the game he actually plays.
Get back to me when he can kick a size 4 in makey-uppey rules once a year.

Jim Mc Guinness is the new Rules maanger in 2015 so the all-ireland championship has been postponed till late November

Quote from: Napper on November 26, 2014, 11:19:57 PM

Quote from: giveherlong on November 26, 2014, 03:09:14 PM
I think Jim mcguinness would be a good appointment as manager for the next couple of series. who makes the appointments and how long was Early given?

There won't be a game of club or inter county championship football played before December if Jim gets that job.

Quote from: INDIANA on November 30, 2014, 10:34:14 PM

Quote from: Jinxy on November 30, 2014, 11:27:49 AM
Yeah, but this is the game he actually plays.
Get back to me when he can kick a size 4 in makey-uppey rules once a year.

Jim Mc Guinness is the new Rules maanger in 2015 so the all-ireland championship has been postponed till late November

That was funny a couple of days ago when napper posted it....

A crowd of 700, this should be scrapped.

Watched the "highlights" of this game on TG4 just now. What an embarrassment. f**kers made no effort to play the game at all with any bit of intensity. It should be scrapped immediately as if this is  a promotional tool all it will do is promote every other sport its in competition for. Lads flicking the ball and doing back heels. Send them to bloody Bundoran next year if that is the players attitude.

That game was nothing like football as we know it, played with very little enthusiasm. I see journalists were betting on 1st goal scorer McBrearty because 'he doesn't drink'. Does this mean the rest of them were on the piss before the game? This game doesn't promote football in the way it should, in front of a tiny crowd of 700. What's the point really. Just give them a holiday.

Quote from: DennistheMenace on December 02, 2014, 09:11:08 AM
That game was nothing like football as we know it, played with very little enthusiasm. I see journalists were betting on 1st goal scorer McBrearty because 'he doesn't drink'. Does this mean the rest of them were on the piss before the game? This game doesn't promote football in the way it should, in front of a tiny crowd of 700. What's the point really. Just give them a holiday.

Or a carry out for the drinkers and a case of Evian for those who don't.

It just rubs me up the wrong way this farce, I'm all for the All-Stars getting a trip (even though non All-Stars seem to go every year) but these types of games are an embarrasment and no way reflect the intensity in our game.

Compare that rubbish to the International Rules, there is no comparison in enjoy, intensity, dedication and professionalism in all but name. Yet we hear much more of an outcry over it. Amazing.

Look Its akolly as a way of rewarding th best players in Lieu of payment  and they do a little promotion while they are there . the matches are not really for home comsumption,
If they took it more seriously  and got injured now that would put an end to it pretty Quick.

Quote from: DennistheMenace on December 02, 2014, 09:16:35 AM
It just rubs me up the wrong way this farce, I'm all for the All-Stars getting a trip (even though non All-Stars seem to go every year) but these types of games are an embarrasment and no way reflect the intensity in our game.

Anyone have any idea how the non All-Stars get selected for this gig?

Is it a case of who you know or is there an actual proper system in place?

Quote from: twohands!!! on December 02, 2014, 11:31:03 AM

Quote from: DennistheMenace on December 02, 2014, 09:16:35 AM
It just rubs me up the wrong way this farce, I'm all for the All-Stars getting a trip (even though non All-Stars seem to go every year) but these types of games are an embarrasment and no way reflect the intensity in our game.

Anyone have any idea how the non All-Stars get selected for this gig?

Is it a case of who you know or is there an actual proper system in place?

Mostly a nod and a wink.

A high profile player a few years ago wasn't selected, a call went in to Croke pk to include him anyway on the trip.

He was well known for enjoying himself on trips like these so he was told he'd be included on the basis that he was in good shape to host a table of high rollers one of the nights at one of the fundraisers.

The morning of the function he landed in at 8am after a heavy night out and was back out in a taxi at 11.30am - he didn't host the table that night.

Don't think there is a system in place, presume it's who you are and who you know.

The two Cavan lads were nominated last year. And so what if  it's just a session. Let them let their hair down after a huge effort they put in during the year. Some people just love being miserable.

Colin Walshe, Donaghy, Michael Dara McAuley were either injured or had club commitments so whoever was nominated for an All Star was called up , not rocket science.

Jaysus some serious whinging here.

Sure the players get a trip out of it, but they are brought around on fundraisers for the GAA. I'm sure there are plenty of ex-pats who are delighted to meet them and put their hands in their pockets.

Non All-Stars are needed to make up the numbers. That's about it with that conspiracy. Selection is probably down to the managers but I honestly don't know how it works.

As for the journalists criticising it as a piss-up. Well I have heard it all now. They are about the only ones paid to go on such a trip and I am certain they would be in the bars with the players.

I have a fairly reliable source that tells me he met them all and commented that the players were at one end of the building while the journalists were at the other, with apparently minimal interaction between the two. There was no obvious snubbing but it was easily  noticed that they weren't mixing, and this particularly stood out because the players were friendly and would chat to any Irish person that recognised them and said hello.

I wouldn't have expected the players and journalists to mix anyway, why would they? They are outsiders, critics, usually a different generation so it's hardly a shock.

Quote from: DennistheMenace on December 02, 2014, 03:38:10 PM
I wouldn't have expected the players and journalists to mix anyway, why would they? They are outsiders, critics, usually a different generation so it's hardly a shock.

You wouldn't expect people who make a living writing about people to want to talk to those people when the opportunity arose?

Any why would they be 'outsiders, critics' or even want to be? Are they not most likely fans of the game and former players at some level themselves?

Quote from: muppet on December 02, 2014, 03:45:20 PM

Quote from: DennistheMenace on December 02, 2014, 03:38:10 PM
I wouldn't have expected the players and journalists to mix anyway, why would they? They are outsiders, critics, usually a different generation so it's hardly a shock.

You wouldn't expect people who make a living writing about people to want to talk to those people when the opportunity arose?

Any why would they be 'outsiders, critics' or even want to be? Are they not most likely fans of the game and former players at some level themselves?

Plenty of capacity to do that on the job, I'd imagine being in a pub is downtime for both circles. Couldn't imagine players wanting to do an interview with a few drinks in them either and being very wary of what they said. Not to mention some of the negativity and dissolve in relationship with certain journalists / media this year.

Quote from: DennistheMenace on December 02, 2014, 03:48:59 PM

Quote from: muppet on December 02, 2014, 03:45:20 PM

Quote from: DennistheMenace on December 02, 2014, 03:38:10 PM
I wouldn't have expected the players and journalists to mix anyway, why would they? They are outsiders, critics, usually a different generation so it's hardly a shock.

You wouldn't expect people who make a living writing about people to want to talk to those people when the opportunity arose?

Any why would they be 'outsiders, critics' or even want to be? Are they not most likely fans of the game and former players at some level themselves?

Plenty of capacity to do that on the job, I'd imagine being in a pub is downtime for both circles. Couldn't imagine players wanting to do an interview with a few drinks in them either and being very wary of what they said. Not to mention some of the negativity and dissolve in relationship with certain journalists / media this year.

I think this is probably very close to the point.

Quote from: muppet on December 02, 2014, 03:19:55 PM
Jaysus some serious whinging here.

Sure the players get a trip out of it, but they are brought around on fundraisers for the GAA. I'm sure there are plenty of ex-pats who are delighted to meet them and put their hands in their pockets.

Non All-Stars are needed to make up the numbers. That's about it with that conspiracy. Selection is probably down to the managers but I honestly don't know how it works.

As for the journalists criticising it as a piss-up. Well I have heard it all now. They are about the only ones paid to go on such a trip and I am certain they would be in the bars with the players.

I have a fairly reliable source that tells me he met them all and commented that the players were at one end of the building while the journalists were at the other, with apparently minimal interaction between the two. There was no obvious snubbing but it was easily  noticed that they weren't mixing, and this particularly stood out because the players were friendly and would chat to any Irish person that recognised them and said hello.

That was never the case in the past - can't say about this year.

'Both sides' would mix freely.

Quote from: heffo on December 02, 2014, 06:43:15 PM

Quote from: muppet on December 02, 2014, 03:19:55 PM
Jaysus some serious whinging here.

Sure the players get a trip out of it, but they are brought around on fundraisers for the GAA. I'm sure there are plenty of ex-pats who are delighted to meet them and put their hands in their pockets.

Non All-Stars are needed to make up the numbers. That's about it with that conspiracy. Selection is probably down to the managers but I honestly don't know how it works.

As for the journalists criticising it as a piss-up. Well I have heard it all now. They are about the only ones paid to go on such a trip and I am certain they would be in the bars with the players.

I have a fairly reliable source that tells me he met them all and commented that the players were at one end of the building while the journalists were at the other, with apparently minimal interaction between the two. There was no obvious snubbing but it was easily  noticed that they weren't mixing, and this particularly stood out because the players were friendly and would chat to any Irish person that recognised them and said hello.

That was never the case in the past - can't say about this year.

'Both sides' would mix freely.

It was this year, but may have been a one-off. They are over there for nearly a week and you would need to know whether or not it happened every night.

Quote from: mrdeeds on December 02, 2014, 01:45:29 PM
The two Cavan lads were nominated last year. And so what if  it's just a session. Let them let their hair down after a huge effort they put in during the year. Some people just love being miserable.

Listen. These guys are getting an all expenses paid holiday. They are asked to do one game to promote the game. What I witnessed on TG4, well there would be more effort in an over 40s 5 a side at the local astro. I feel sorry for anyone who bothered attend.

Glad we didn't let any of our lads go now.

Quote from: DennistheMenace on December 02, 2014, 09:16:35 AM
It just rubs me up the wrong way this farce, I'm all for the All-Stars getting a trip (even though non All-Stars seem to go every year) but these types of games are an embarrasment and no way reflect the intensity in our game.

Compare that rubbish to the International Rules, there is no comparison in enjoy, intensity, dedication and professionalism in all but name. Yet we hear much more of an outcry over it. Amazing.

What "All Star" game ever compares to the real thing?

Have you ever watched the NBA one? The dunk competition is about the most exciting thing about All Star weekend. For the NFL one, they take all the non-Superbowl players to Hawaii for it, but otherwise its an afterthought. Getting the award is the big thing. Baseball - the MLB ended up awarding home advantage in the World Series to the League which wins the game in a ludicrous attempt to generate interest and intensity.