It would appear the wagons are circling.
Is he finished?
Sounds like PMQs could be entertaining today though I still can't bring myself to watch it as it will just be one lie after another.
2 more years til the next election is it? I'd say they'll leave him another while, make him the fall guy and install someone new and promise to learn from mistakes etc and the public will lap it up.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 19, 2022, 09:37:48 AM
2 more years til the next election is it? I'd say they'll leave him another while, make him the fall guy and install someone new and promise to learn from mistakes etc and the public will lap it up.
He looked as if he knew the gig was up in that interview yesterday. The partying the night before Philips funeral really struck a cord with the British people and whilst I think the Sue Gray report won't sink him directly he won't last till March.
The local elections are in May and the Torys know they're way down in the polls so may need a bit of a bounce before May to get back up, so Sunak or Gove it is...
About 1/3 of Tory MPS were elected in 2019 and their level of loyalty to BJ is low.
Quote from: seafoid on January 19, 2022, 10:20:06 AM
About 1/3 of Tory MPS were elected in 2019 and their level of loyalty to BJ is low.
But they're "fuckíng nobodies".
Couple that with the way Rees Mogg spoke about the leader of the Scottish Tory Party as a light weight then you'd wonder how these people got in the positions they do.
I suppose money always greases the palms in these circles.
11 letters of no confidence in apparently. Hopefully it's the end, though I'll believe it when I see it, but there's also the old be careful what you wish for because if he goes what's next probably won't be good.
They need 54 to kick anything off, numbers likely to be passed today if the papers are to be believed. But - it doesn't automatically trigger a Leadership contest, merely a vote of confidence. It depends on how much damage is inflicted in the VOC (secret ballot) to see if a Leadership contest will happen. He's definitely on very thin ice but he's a slippery hoor so you wouldn't know.
https://www.ft.com/content/866b9152-e124-4742-9418-71001e4c25b5
. An opinion poll highlighted the damage the "Partygate" row has done to the Conservative party's standing with the public. Redfield and Wilton on Monday put Labour on 43 per cent, 13 points ahead of the Tories
https://mobile.twitter.com/ProfPMiddleton/status/1482300686285037568
Boris Johnson poll (11-12 January). Do you have a favourable or unfavourable view of
@BorisJohnson ?
UK
Favourable 25%
Unfavourable 66%
NET -41%
Scotland
Favourable 9%
Unfavourable 86% (!)
NET -77%
Any word of the MPs who attended these gatherings?
Sounds like today could be eventful!
Rishi and Liz making moves apparently . . .
Quote from: Denn Forever on January 19, 2022, 11:29:05 AM
Any word of the MPs who attended these gatherings?
Around 20 , mostly from Red Wall constituencies with low majorities
Quote from: seafoid on January 19, 2022, 11:27:09 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/ProfPMiddleton/status/1482300686285037568
Boris Johnson poll (11-12 January). Do you have a favourable or unfavourable view of
@BorisJohnson ?
UK
Favourable 25%
Unfavourable 66%
NET -41%
Scotland
Favourable 9%
Unfavourable 86% (!)
NET -77%
Would not like to meet any of the 25% or definitely not the 9% from Scotland.
Sure we would have the kind of % here, blind DUP voters who would follow him into the fires of hell, no matter how many times he f*$ked them over.
Another knife stuck in him at PMQ from "thick as mince" David Davis.
Quote from: mouview on January 19, 2022, 02:06:49 PM
Another knife stuck in him at PMQ from "thick as mince" David Davis.
He's the lead moron in whatever a collective of moron's is..
Looking to get ahead of the game for once rather than steering from the back like he did with the Brexit negotiations.
it's basically like telling a toddler off though. not one shite could he give.
resign resign.... ai dead on i'll get right on that...
i'd be shocked if he resigned
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 19, 2022, 03:24:50 PM
it's basically like telling a toddler off though. not one shite could he give.
resign resign.... ai dead on i'll get right on that...
i'd be shocked if he resigned
Narcissists don't resign. It's always someone else's fault.
Are there not positives to having these rogues in the British government? After another year of this, Scots en masse would be banging on Adrians Wall, begging for independence. Then do they really do not care about NI being in the UK? think of all the money that would be saved, Unionists are about as useful as a toothache.
Quote from: Main Street on January 19, 2022, 03:47:50 PM
Are there not positives to having these rogues in the British government? After another year of this, Scots en masse would be banging on Adrians Wall, begging for independence. Then do they really do not care about NI being in the UK? think of all the money that would be saved, Unionists are about as useful as a toothache.
It's very true, if Boris stayed another while he could single handedly break up the union for good. Let him at it.
Quote from: Itchy on January 19, 2022, 06:50:06 PM
Quote from: Main Street on January 19, 2022, 03:47:50 PM
Are there not positives to having these rogues in the British government? After another year of this, Scots en masse would be banging on Adrians Wall, begging for independence. Then do they really do not care about NI being in the UK? think of all the money that would be saved, Unionists are about as useful as a toothache.
It's very true, if Boris stayed another while he could single handedly break up the union for good. Let him at it.
I honestly don't think he would care. He is void of any morals and cannot seem to comprehend taking responsibility for anything. Sad reflection on UK that so many voted for him
Mainly English, some Welsh and a minority of Scots.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/01/19/inside-room-boris-johnson-close-tears-pleaded-tory-mps-halt/
Several of the "pork pie plot" ringleaders were summoned to Downing Street for a meeting with Mr Johnson, who was described as "broken" and "close to tears" as he asked MPs for their continued support.Support for Mr Johnson on Conservative MPs' WhatsApp groups has dwindled in the last 24 hours, with only a few junior members of the Government speaking in his favour, according to one MP in the groups.
Support for Mr Johnson on Conservative MPs' WhatsApp groups has dwindled in the last 24 hours, with only a few junior members of the Government speaking in his favour, according to one MP in the groups.
Broken my arse. If he was broken he'd have resigned.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 20, 2022, 07:48:36 AM
Broken my arse. If he was broken he'd have resigned.
He then went and removed whatever restrictions they had on Covid to appease his backbenchers even though Omicron is still rampant with community spread including schools.
Zero fucks given for public health when saving your own skin is more important.
Quote from: seafoid on January 19, 2022, 09:41:13 PM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/01/19/inside-room-boris-johnson-close-tears-pleaded-tory-mps-halt/
Several of the "pork pie plot" ringleaders were summoned to Downing Street for a meeting with Mr Johnson, who was described as "broken" and "close to tears" as he asked MPs for their continued support.Support for Mr Johnson on Conservative MPs' WhatsApp groups has dwindled in the last 24 hours, with only a few junior members of the Government speaking in his favour, according to one MP in the groups.
Support for Mr Johnson on Conservative MPs' WhatsApp groups has dwindled in the last 24 hours, with only a few junior members of the Government speaking in his favour, according to one MP in the groups.
Jacob rees mogg was in channel 4 giving his unequivocal support to him on channel 4 yesterday.
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 20, 2022, 10:20:47 AM
Quote from: seafoid on January 19, 2022, 09:41:13 PM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/01/19/inside-room-boris-johnson-close-tears-pleaded-tory-mps-halt/
Several of the "pork pie plot" ringleaders were summoned to Downing Street for a meeting with Mr Johnson, who was described as "broken" and "close to tears" as he asked MPs for their continued support.Support for Mr Johnson on Conservative MPs' WhatsApp groups has dwindled in the last 24 hours, with only a few junior members of the Government speaking in his favour, according to one MP in the groups.
Support for Mr Johnson on Conservative MPs' WhatsApp groups has dwindled in the last 24 hours, with only a few junior members of the Government speaking in his favour, according to one MP in the groups.
Jacob rees mogg was in channel 4 giving his unequivocal support to him on channel 4 yesterday.
Dorries is also there until the end. The most important people now are the funders.
Those who wouldn't survive under anyone else will stay with him. Dorries is a complete balloon and a hateful one at that.
Sunglasses wouldn't explicitly say he backs him.suppose he's thinking about being a potential replacement.
The plot thickens. Now Johnson and cabal accused, by a tory MP, of blackmail. Threats to out stories and withhold cash from constituencies.
Getting messy.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 20, 2022, 10:53:18 AM
The plot thickens. Now Johnson and cabal accused, by a tory MP, of blackmail. Threats to out stories and withhold cash from constituencies.
Getting messy.
senior hurling
Sounds like Sue Gray has found a smoking gun
Senior Hurling indeed ....
Quote from: The Subbie on January 20, 2022, 11:17:01 AM
Sounds like Sue Gray has found a smoking gun
Senior Hurling indeed ....
Cummings probably handed it to her on a plate.
It now depends what she does with it and whether there's a direct link to ballbag Boris.
I read yesterday she was going to interview Cummings. I wonder was it him. I'm sure it was.
This seems more like a spur-of-the-moment thing, a strategy to shore up support for BJ from the back-benches. Doubt it has anything to do with Cummings.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 20, 2022, 10:36:33 AM
Those who wouldn't survive under anyone else will stay with him. Dorries is a complete balloon and a hateful one at that.
That select committee meeting and Dorries talking about Channel 4 / the BBC? ... Was actually beyond belief that these people Worm their way into positions of power
https://www.ft.com/content/eadd09d2-4617-456c-b97f-8ce970a345b9
MPs said Johnson had bought himself a reprieve until next week, when an inquiry into the "Partygate" scandal involving Downing Street events that broke coronavirus restrictions will conclude.
https://www.ft.com/content/eadd09d2-4617-456c-b97f-8ce970a345b9
With some of his critics in the party pushing for a vote of no confidence in him, Johnson attempted to rally support by ending all remaining Covid restrictions in England, including mandatory face masks and working from home guidance.
Quote from: seafoid on January 20, 2022, 11:56:30 AM
https://www.ft.com/content/eadd09d2-4617-456c-b97f-8ce970a345b9
MPs said Johnson had bought himself a reprieve until next week, when an inquiry into the "Partygate" scandal involving Downing Street events that broke coronavirus restrictions will conclude.
The Times hinting that Gray's report may not exonerate BJ. Next week will be interesting again if it's released then.
What percent of people in the world would have resigned by now? About 99?
This clown isn't resigning and will have to be pushed.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 20, 2022, 12:11:55 PM
What percent of people in the world would have resigned by now? About 99?
This clown isn't resigning and will have to be pushed.
Turkeys wouldn't vote for xmas, so can't see BJ voting himself out either.
This is unfair on turkeys BTW as they are useful
It all to do with the language Sue Grey uses if it leaves wiggle room for BJ and his lackies to argue about. May have broken, could haves, won't mean anything to them it needs to unequivocal, do you actually think this will happen? Time will tell
Steve Baker (a real right-wing whacko) calling it "checkmate" for Boris; so entertaining to see the internecine fighting among themselves.
Quote from: Square Ball on January 20, 2022, 01:16:59 PM
It all to do with the language Sue Grey uses if it leaves wiggle room for BJ and his lackies to argue about. May have broken, could haves, won't mean anything to them it needs to unequivocal, do you actually think this will happen? Time will tell
Absolutely not. It's basically a case of whether someone who wants to stab him in the back can get enough of an army to oust him.
The opponents seem to have run out of momentum yesterday. Maybe Cummings can rustle up something for the Sunday papers. Johnson is still on a bit of a shaky scraw.
Quote from: seafoid on January 20, 2022, 01:42:07 PM
The opponents seem to have run out of momentum yesterday. Maybe Cummings can rustle up something for the Sunday papers. Johnson is still on a bit of a shaky scraw.
Cummings isn't finished yet, he simply allows as much juice to be squeezed out of each grenade he throws.
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 20, 2022, 01:53:23 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 20, 2022, 01:42:07 PM
The opponents seem to have run out of momentum yesterday. Maybe Cummings can rustle up something for the Sunday papers. Johnson is still on a bit of a shaky scraw.
Cummings isn't finished yet, he simply allows as much juice to be squeezed out of each grenade he throws.
Precisely this, it's death by a thousand cuts. The UK is screwed economically so it could be that the Tories are content to trundle on with Boris for another while. Then the incumbent can blame everything on Boris.
Like a fecking cockroach he is
I agree the Tories might try to have Cummings juice all his nasties on Boris therefore leaving the replacement relatively free, though I'd say Cummings has a stock pile of this so large he could run through several leaders before running out, interesting times indeed
Quote from: tiempo on January 20, 2022, 02:31:13 PM
Like a fecking cockroach he is
I agree the Tories might try to have Cummings juice all his nasties on Boris therefore leaving the replacement relatively free, though I'd say Cummings has a stock pile of this so large he could run through several leaders before running out, interesting times indeed
still waiting on Cummings coming out and saying that he and Boris concocted the entire Barnard castle crap
https://mobile.twitter.com/Peston/status/1484109819183255552
Quote from: savocake on January 21, 2022, 09:36:19 AM
Fare play to Boris. Hes a good lad but was a bit stupid, hope he lifts this lockdown soon. I need to see my son
What's stopping you?
Quote from: johnnycool on January 21, 2022, 11:12:13 AM
Quote from: savocake on January 21, 2022, 09:36:19 AM
Fare play to Boris. Hes a good lad but was a bit stupid, hope he lifts this lockdown soon. I need to see my son
What's stopping you?
He's too busy winding people up on gaaboard.
Quote from: johnnycool on January 21, 2022, 11:12:13 AM
Quote from: savocake on January 21, 2022, 09:36:19 AM
Fare play to Boris. Hes a good lad but was a bit stupid, hope he lifts this lockdown soon. I need to see my son
What's stopping you?
Prison guards
Quote from: JoG2 on January 21, 2022, 11:35:23 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 21, 2022, 11:12:13 AM
Quote from: savocake on January 21, 2022, 09:36:19 AM
Fare play to Boris. Hes a good lad but was a bit stupid, hope he lifts this lockdown soon. I need to see my son
What's stopping you?
Prison guards
He's wearing the mask over his eyes, just drop it down a bit Angelo
Sue Gray has evidently passed on her report to the Met as she believes laws were broken.
Met have reviewed and are going to conduct their own investigations.
Smart move by Gray in passing the buck to ultimately who should have been investigating in the first place and now the onus is on Cressida Dicks No2 to give Boris cover but in the meantime Boris "can't" comment whilst this investigation is ongoing, buying another few weeks.
You wouldn't be surprised if the Met came back with a "nothing to see here" outcome..
Sue Grey report "imminent so this evening or tomorrow"
Tick tock!
Quote from: screenexile on January 25, 2022, 04:57:19 PM
Sue Grey report "imminent so this evening or tomorrow"
Tick tock!
Don't think so as the Met have taken over and are going full blown investigation..
There'll be some weaselling and lying done when this comes out.
Ukraine will save the day
Quote from: charlieTully on January 25, 2022, 06:42:51 PM
Ukraine will save the day
They could send prince Harry and Prince Andrew to the front line to solve a couple of other problems
Quote from: charlieTully on January 25, 2022, 06:42:51 PM
Ukraine will save the day
You could be right sadly. A clown having parties in his garden and he'll likely use something like war to cover it up and that is how little he cares about anyone.
Quote from: charlieTully on January 25, 2022, 06:42:51 PM
Ukraine will save the day
Mark Francois should be able to sort out that little imbroglio.
D-day for BJ
I should write headlines for the S*n..
I think I saw on a billboard yesterday that Piers Morgan was going to write for the sun. A match made in heaven that.
I would be shocked if Johnson goes anywhere.
Johnston and every other shyster that tried to defend him should be run out of town.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 26, 2022, 09:01:29 AM
D-day for BJ
I should write headlines for the S*n..
Can we have less of the Doug Beattie type language please
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on January 26, 2022, 09:08:52 AM
Johnston and every other shyster that tried to defend him should be run out of town.
What was the latest one? He was ambushed by a cake?
These boys should be in hollywood as it's all a big act.
Will he survive? he has no morals so I can't see him resigning. Not entirely sure what happens with this 1922 committee. So say 54 put the letters in, that triggers a vote of no confidence? Is it a majority wins?
Quote from: Square Ball on January 26, 2022, 10:20:00 AM
Will he survive? he has no morals so I can't see him resigning. Not entirely sure what happens with this 1922 committee. So say 54 put the letters in, that triggers a vote of no confidence? Is it a majority wins?
Yes, simple majority. Theresa May won a No Confidence vote 3 years ago however but was out on her ear within 6 months. Such a vote would be really divisive for the Tories I feel and hopefully lead to longer-term damage.
As much as I hate Johnson what is the alternative? The other Tories will be more of the same and Keir is hardly inspiring and certainly no friend of Irish nationalists
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on January 26, 2022, 11:20:32 AM
As much as I hate Johnson what is the alternative? The other Tories will be more of the same and Keir is hardly inspiring and certainly no friend of Irish nationalists
Truss for the craic
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on January 26, 2022, 11:20:32 AM
As much as I hate Johnson what is the alternative? The other Tories will be more of the same and Keir is hardly inspiring and certainly no friend of Irish nationalists
From the Tories, Sunak or Truss would be the front-runners. Truss is a likely ally of that git Lord Frost so we could end up with him over the Brexit / NIP scene again - better get that sorted out quickly before this may happen.
Doubt if Starmer is particularly anti-Irish and is at least a far more decent person than any of the hard-right cabal now in control of the Tories. It's unlikely anyway he would gain an overall majority in a GE so it would probably be a coalition with the Lib Dems or maybe Scottish NP. Such a set-up would definitely be pro-EU and likely to lead to a softer Brexit and more normalised trading relations with the EU. Long way from that yet however.
You'll never know the true Starmer until he has power. Part of his current strategy is avoid Brexit, love the Fleg. It is all being very carefully played out. Lots of Labour supporters would prefer endless gutting sessions among their own rather than fighting the Tories. Starmer is a bit like Tito in Yugoslavia trying to keep a lid on the factions.
Loads of stories in the press saying that the rank and file Tory MPs will back BoJo if he stops the National Insurance rise. Hes gonna get away with it. Of course if he does it will be that he's a loving caring PM, and that there will be people who will believe that's is just as bad
A version of the report going to be released at half 3. Number 10 had it at the minute.
been too long from the start of this, and with the Met being involved I doubt if there will be the required amount of MPs to trigger the vote of no confidence. if there is the 54, will there be enough vote for him to go?
I think she's done what she can and this thing isn't going away any time soon with the Met investigation findings to follow and then her full report...
He may have a slight reprieve but there's only one way it's going. The vultures will start circling now.
Quote from: screenexile on January 31, 2022, 03:08:47 PM
I think she's done what she can and this thing isn't going away any time soon with the Met investigation findings to follow and then her full report...
He may have a slight reprieve but there's only one way it's going. The vultures will start circling now.
No killer blow in that report, far too general, no idea of who specifically these failings were with.
He'll ride this one out for now and Dame Dick will bury the rest for her paymasters.
This session has been entertaining. . . Boris tries to nail Starmer for not getting Jimmy Saville. Jesus wept!!
Quote from: screenexile on January 31, 2022, 03:50:50 PM
This session has been entertaining. . . Boris tries to nail Starmer for not getting Jimmy Saville. Jesus wept!!
Westminster has been an absolute shit show for several years now. Johnson must have spent the morning thinking about how he could somehow link Starmer to Jimmy Saville to deflect from himself. Probably thinks he is being clever as well, pure guttersnipe politics.
Knifed by Theresa May. Long runs the fox. Next to no support from his party. I think they'll turn fully on him in next few days.
He is taken some hammering today, shocking performance.
The simple crofter almost got away with calling Boris a liar until the speaker realised he hadn't actually changed his wording and doubled down on it...
I thought it was disgraceful.
Johnson lied and MPs cannot say that he lied. They are not allowed to tell the truth.
To be fair, Ian Blackford was right not to change his language.
Give them enough rope....
Nadine Dorries, thick as 💩, she has been on the Beeb, C4 and Sky news and every one of the interviews is a car crash, where do they drag these people from?
She looked half winged earlier also
New lows daily yet the status quo remains..
Johnson going nowhere.
Dorres is an imbecile.
Truss marginally better but not much.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 31, 2022, 07:59:56 PM
She looked half winged earlier also
New lows daily yet the status quo remains..
Be a bit of Colombian marching powder involved there?
Quote from: pbat on January 31, 2022, 08:41:44 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 31, 2022, 07:59:56 PM
She looked half winged earlier also
New lows daily yet the status quo remains..
Be a bit of Colombian marching powder involved there?
Reminded me a bit of the time Rod Stewart did the draw for the Scottish FA, over exaggerated movements and the likes, she was pished and they wonder why Sue Gray mentioned the unprofessional drinking culture.
There was another of Gove swaying away joyfully in the HOC as well..
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You'd need drink or some coke to function in that cesspool of undesirable's. English politics is like watching a prolonged monty python sketch ATM. Untrustworthy,incompetent,condescending Eton manufactured twits. If you have a preference for a functional work environment and a inherent feeling of obligation to represent you electorate it would drive you crazy.
Dorres is another level. Completely incoherent most times you see her and just look at her twitter history too. Maybe you'd think someone would get away with it if they were an eccentric intellectual or something but she's a buffoon.
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 01, 2022, 02:28:02 PM
Dorres is another level. Completely incoherent most times you see her and just look at her twitter history too. Maybe you'd think someone would get away with it if they were an eccentric intellectual or something but she's a buffoon.
Yeah your right Brendan Behan she is not but she kinda fits in with the rest of them in a fragile rock kinda way.
Quote from: north_antrim_hound on February 01, 2022, 02:22:10 PM
You'd need drink or some coke to function in that cesspool of undesirable's. English politics is like watching a prolonged monty python sketch ATM. Untrustworthy,incompetent,condescending Eton manufactured twits. If you have a preference for a functional work environment and a inherent feeling of obligation to represent you electorate it would drive you crazy.
eton getting some bad press through these guys...
Quote from: rrhf on February 01, 2022, 02:36:52 PM
Quote from: north_antrim_hound on February 01, 2022, 02:22:10 PM
You'd need drink or some coke to function in that cesspool of undesirable's. English politics is like watching a prolonged monty python sketch ATM. Untrustworthy,incompetent,condescending Eton manufactured twits. If you have a preference for a functional work environment and a inherent feeling of obligation to represent you electorate it would drive you crazy.
eton getting some bad press through these guys...
If you wanted your kids to be well rounded then they wouldn't be going to Eton if its based on Boris, Cameron and their ilk.
f**king self serving, greedy, morons.
Dropping like flies around him. Death by a thousand resignations. Cummings tweeting that the bunker is collapsing.
He really looks fucked now, never seen anything like that happening before. No doubt they went before he tried to throw them under the bus, but that's going to be reputationally very hard to come back from. 54 surely only a matter of hours/ days away.
Hard to remember a politician in my lifetime so openly ridiculed for being a chancer, liar, and generally a complete useless waste of space. I wonder does he have any self awareness, even a small amount?
Rishi stuck the boot in looks like he's pushing himself forward!!
It's more like a pantomime version of King Lear, entitled King Boris.
Quote from: Armamike on February 03, 2022, 10:31:03 PM
Hard to remember a politician in my lifetime so openly ridiculed for being a chancer, liar, and generally a complete useless waste of space. I wonder does he have any self awareness, even a small amount?
Ian Og surely fits that bill
Quote from: mouview on February 03, 2022, 08:25:48 PM
Dropping like flies around him. Death by a thousand resignations. Cummings tweeting that the bunker is collapsing.
They're trying to spin it that this is Boris clearing the decks as he said he would in the HOC rather that the rats deserting him...
Some of those resigning weren't even working in No10 when the parties were happening on a weekly basis.
Boris has that type of face you couldn't tire of punching, odious creature.
(https://i.ibb.co/RPKn3XM/Screenshot-20220204-183232-2.png) (https://ibb.co/gw81S0X)
Channel 4 news tonight discussing his references to the Lion King over the years and his love of that film. There's a joke in there somewhere I think.
Man never liked getting his hair cut.
Unrest in the cabinet too;
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/civil-war-in-cabinet-as-boris-johnson-told-to-sack-rishi-sunak-hgdfjtdjj
I think when he goes Truss will get the gig, I don't think a lot of Brexiteers and English nationalists would be willing to except Sunak due to his Pakistani origins.
I'd say their Misogyny is greater than their racism, plus Sunak is loaded, they respect the ££ if not the skin colour.
Jesus what a battle... misogyny vs racism :o
Quote from: bennydorano on February 05, 2022, 09:48:44 AM
I'd say their Misogyny is greater than their racism, plus Sunak is loaded, they respect the ££ if not the skin colour.
Sunak's wife is the one with the serious cash, thought he was of Indian heritage....
Just watched that car crash of an interview from Nadine Dorries . . . if she's the best Boris can have defending him he'll be gone in a week. Herself and Fabricant are 2 odious politicians the sooner their like are banished to the back benches away from the limelight again the better.
How do people vote for these clowns???
Just saw that. She must be permanently drunk - serious issues going on there.
Quote from: pbat on February 05, 2022, 09:08:25 AM
I think when he goes Truss will get the gig, I don't think a lot of Brexiteers and English nationalists would be willing to except Sunak due to his Pakistani origins.
The Tories will probably fall apart and go through several leaders as the DUP did. All that united both parties was Brexit which is a crock of shit.
Quote from: screenexile on February 05, 2022, 11:01:32 AM
Just watched that car crash of an interview from Nadine Dorries . . . if she's the best Boris can have defending him he'll be gone in a week. Herself and Fabricant are 2 odious politicians the sooner their like are banished to the back benches away from the limelight again the better.
How do people vote for these clowns???
What one, all her interviews are the same.
This one is particularly bad. Why are you asking me if I spoke to o the prime minister.
Quote from: Square Ball on February 05, 2022, 03:39:53 PM
Quote from: screenexile on February 05, 2022, 11:01:32 AM
Just watched that car crash of an interview from Nadine Dorries . . . if she's the best Boris can have defending him he'll be gone in a week. Herself and Fabricant are 2 odious politicians the sooner their like are banished to the back benches away from the limelight again the better.
How do people vote for these clowns???
What one, all her interviews are the same.
I think this is definitely the worst I've seen!!
https://twitter.com/haggis_uk/status/1489871675609030656?s=21
There is some hilarious stuff doing the rounds on it. It's honestly priceless.
She is a gift that keeps on giving.
Is she always drunk or is that just how she goes on?
Much ado about political folly in foreign lands, so much so it smacks of 'upstairs downstairs'.
Quote from: Main Street on February 06, 2022, 01:00:29 AM
Much ado about political folly in foreign lands, so much so it smacks of 'upstairs downstairs'.
I'd like them to be even more foreign..
Quote from: Main Street on February 06, 2022, 01:00:29 AM
Much ado about political folly in foreign lands, so much so it smacks of 'upstairs downstairs'.
Oh I don't know about that, just because we like a chuckle at the demise of structure in English politics doesn't mean I'd make them a cup of tea.
Mrs Johnson getting a touch also it seems, As Boris will take advice from 'Ernie Boke' ones now claiming she's the one advising him now
Will we go full house of cards and she'll announce herself as a tory politician ;D
It is basically a tv drama isn't it? It's the only thing that would make sense...
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 07, 2022, 11:33:56 AM
Will we go full house of cards and she'll announce herself as a tory politician ;D
It is basically a tv drama isn't it? It's the only thing that would make sense...
She's no Robin Wright
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 07, 2022, 11:40:01 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 07, 2022, 11:33:56 AM
Will we go full house of cards and she'll announce herself as a tory politician ;D
It is basically a tv drama isn't it? It's the only thing that would make sense...
She's no Robin Wright
😂
In fairness she probably has to dress him in the morning and make his lunch.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 07, 2022, 11:40:01 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 07, 2022, 11:33:56 AM
Will we go full house of cards and she'll announce herself as a tory politician ;D
It is basically a tv drama isn't it? It's the only thing that would make sense...
She's no Robin Wright
😂
In fairness she probably has to dress him in the morning and make his lunch.
She's not doing much of a job at the dressing.
Poor Boris can't catch a break... thought he was over the Savile comment and now this happens!!!
You say that like he might give a shit or resign.
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 08, 2022, 08:05:05 AM
You say that like he might give a shit or resign.
Yep.
He's going full-Trump.
That Starmer thing is really his Capitol Hill. There seems to be no end though.
He is surrounded by self-interested weasels without a shred of dignity and he's doubling down in blatantly false conspiracy theories and lies that appeal to his paranoid, bigoted base. Trump to a T.
Liz Truss getting some flack for a Russian humiliation today.
I can see the references to her as the Pound shop Thatcher sticking
Cressida Dick the head of the London Gardaí has stepped down.
Quote from: bennydorano on February 10, 2022, 05:50:11 PM
Liz Truss getting some flack for a Russian humiliation today.
I can see the references to her as the Pound shop Thatcher sticking
Down, down, down the dumbed-down Tories sink GB. Sending a little girl on a grown-ups errand. No wonder John Major despairs.
Liz Truss is a walking manifestation of Brexit Britain. A school teachery type waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out of her League.
In fact the only brain in the UK cabinet as far as I can see is Sunak.....and even there I am not so sure. I get the impression there is a command wire coming out of him.
Global UK is a laughing stock on the international stage. Just as well their Head of State is celebrating 70 years on social welfare this year. Deflection.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on February 11, 2022, 08:08:02 AM
Liz Truss is a walking manifestation of Brexit Britain. A school teachery type waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out of her League.
In fact the only brain in the UK cabinet as far as I can see is Sunak.....and even there I am not so sure. I get the impression there is a command wire coming out of him.
Global UK is a laughing stock on the international stage. Just as well their Head of State is celebrating 70 years on social welfare this year. Deflection.
Sunak is the very definition of what is wrong with politics in the UK - only there due to immense privilege and connection and only there to enhance said privilege and connections. Do a quick google on the family ties and business commrades.
According to the BBC Boris is to be fined for lockdown breaches. Cat meet pigeons.
Quote from: Square Ball on April 12, 2022, 01:48:56 PM
According to the BBC Boris is to be fined for lockdown breaches. Cat meet pigeons.
Chance for fat boy Nolan to bring up the Storey funeral again.
Quote from: Square Ball on April 12, 2022, 01:48:56 PM
According to the BBC Boris is to be fined for lockdown breaches. Cat meet pigeons.
Ah but Boris is soo important to the war in Ukraine that it's not the time for a new leader....
That was blatantly a stunt with him meeting Zelensky. I know it sounds cynical but I would say there are no lows that man wouldn't stoop to. Sunak getting it in the neck too which looks to be from Johnson's direction.
Quote from: Square Ball on April 12, 2022, 01:48:56 PM
According to the BBC Boris is to be fined for lockdown breaches. Cat meet pigeons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkdqR4WKvuU
Quote from: johnnycool on April 12, 2022, 04:46:30 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on April 12, 2022, 01:48:56 PM
According to the BBC Boris is to be fined for lockdown breaches. Cat meet pigeons.
Ah but Boris is soo important to the war in Ukraine that it's not the time for a new leader....
You could write the responses
Never did a war come at the right time for the bollacks. Thatcher was going out before the Falklands war and she walked the nxt election on it.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 12, 2022, 06:11:02 PM
Never did a war come at the right time for the bollacks. Thatcher was going out before the Falklands war and she walked the nxt election on it.
I didn't realise the Brits were at war in Ukraine, but there you go!!!!
Quote from: johnnycool on April 13, 2022, 08:17:18 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 12, 2022, 06:11:02 PM
Never did a war come at the right time for the bollacks. Thatcher was going out before the Falklands war and she walked the nxt election on it.
I didn't realise the Brits were at war in Ukraine, but there you go!!!!
Pedantic aren't ye... ;) The Russian invasion of Ukraine came at a great time to take the heat off Johnson to be more precise.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 13, 2022, 08:19:02 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on April 13, 2022, 08:17:18 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 12, 2022, 06:11:02 PM
Never did a war come at the right time for the bollacks. Thatcher was going out before the Falklands war and she walked the nxt election on it.
I didn't realise the Brits were at war in Ukraine, but there you go!!!!
Pedantic aren't ye... ;) The Russian invasion of Ukraine came at a great time to take the heat off Johnson to be more precise.
yeah, but all he's doing is writing cheques, a few photo ops in Ukraine (then off to an Italian Villa to report back to his masters) and mess up deliberately the refugee process for same Ukrainians.
Hardly Churchillesque but I know what you mean.
The UK is basically an elected dictatorship at this point. It is difficult to have trust in any of the government or the CS. I wouldn't put rigging the election beyond them.
Quote from: johnnycool on April 13, 2022, 08:25:30 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 13, 2022, 08:19:02 AM
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 12, 2022, 06:11:02 PM
Never did a war come at the right time for the bollacks. Thatcher was going out before the Falklands war and she walked the nxt election on it.
I didn't realise the Brits were at war in Ukraine, but there you go!!!!
Pedantic aren't ye... ;) The Russian invasion of Ukraine came at a great time to take the heat off Johnson to be more precise.
yeah, but all he's doing is writing cheques, a few photo ops in Ukraine (then off to an Italian Villa to report back to his masters) and mess up deliberately the refugee process for same Ukrainians.
Hardly Churchillesque but I know what you mean.
Took his covid breaches off top spot in the news which was all he really needed. But the Ukraine stuff can only be top news for so long. The fact the Met have fined him now means he clearly broke the rules. That's going to piss off countless people who missed funerals or chances to be at loved ones death beds over Johnsons lockdown rules.
ERG head honcho Steve Baker wants Boris gone....
Met Police withholding more offences as it may impact the local elections evidently so they're evidently not political in the least ;)
Is Boris' goose cooked this time or what will be pull out of the bag to survive?
Made of teflon - going nowhere.
I'd be more than happy to be wrong...
Keep him there, he's a shambles locally but he's made Britain great again in Ukraine.
The smoothest path to a United Ireland we may ever find comes in the form of Johnson taking his orders from the greedy while fronting the Tories.
Johnson has proven he will quite happily grin and lie to anyone and everyone about everything, as long as his backers get richer as a result. Once Brexit and Covid and Ukraine settle a little, their shameless, remorseless greed will look for new avenues to pillage. How to cream billions in contracts for handing over an Ni problem they care little for, could well be low hanging fruit.
Has he finally gone too far?? Sounds like wagons are circling within the tory party. I will believe it when I see it mind you.
Whats this based on Tommy? Other than big Richard Osman asking who would be the next PM i cant see anything online.
Be nice timing what with our maj's big weekend 😃
They seem to be approaching the number of letters required for a no confidence vote.
I would say its more wishful thinking than anything. Those Tory right wing ERG types are happy to leave a lying, incompetent, bungling Boris in charge as cover while their ailing economy lags behind other leading nations post Brexit. He'll soon find another distraction in the form of the EU, immigration, foreign policy or the Ukraine war. His only objective at this stage is to survive past the Tory party conference in the Autumn so they will leave him in post until he becomes so toxic that he has to go.
Excellent 😎
Just be another cnut in his place tho tbh
It's very divisive (thankfully) for the Tories though, and the ERG isn't the whole party - there is a fair centralist rump also, and all of them looking over their shoulders into their constituencies at their election rivals, particularly those with slender majorities.
Not good when 'Loathsome' is turning on BJ, a No Confidence vote within a week definitely in play now. .
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/andrea-leadsom-accuses-boris-johnson-of-unacceptable-failings-of-leadership-ftq3756qx
The problem with a strong SNP is, it takes away a no of possible labour votes required to ever put the tories out.
all none tory parties like labour snp lib dems green sdlp should form alliance as a matter of national emergency to get the tories out next election wont happen tho.
A lot of talk about Carrie and her Abba themed party in Downing Street and allegedly in Chequers which haven't been investigate at all.
How both Sue Gray and her not so independent report and the Met failed to investigate the Abba one is the thing that's still to come out.
Cummings is still in the background drip feeding the media and evidently a lot of the lower ranks in Downing street that did receive the fines are pissed off at being the ones to take the fall and will spill the beans in time.
But "Boris got all the big decisions right" is still the mantra, ::)
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 31, 2022, 11:23:43 PM
The problem with a strong SNP is, it takes away a no of possible labour votes required to ever put the tories out.
No it doesn't, every single SNP MP will vote against Boris. The problem with Labour is no policies, no energy and no charisma from their leader
Q&A with mumsnet (I didn't realise it was a thing) going well with Boris;
Starter for 10.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1531969453306654721 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1531969453306654721)
Quote from: johnnycool on June 01, 2022, 08:48:54 AM
A lot of talk about Carrie and her Abba themed party in Downing Street and allegedly in Chequers which haven't been investigate at all.
Abba weren't really there, only holograms and they can't get Covid. Or something like that.
Confidence vote this evening
As with all challenged leaders he'll likely technically win, but it's all about the numbers who vote against him
Think he'll survive but the end is surely nigh. At this stage, if he survives, there'll have to be a reshuffle soon enough. Please God just get that dose Dottie's away from a camera or microphone.
What was it he said? You'll need a flame thrower to get rid of me? If the no confidence vote fails, which I suspect it will, then this boy will cling on to "power" for another while :(
Looks like the game is up for Johnson, they are like rats jumping off a sinking ship trying to manoeuvre themselves into position.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 06, 2022, 08:46:11 AM
What was it he said? You'll need a flame thrower to get rid of me? If the no confidence vote fails, which I suspect it will, then this boy will cling on to "power" for another while :(
If he gets 180 out of 359, not a doubt in my mind he'll stay. The usual suspects will be proclaiming victory. May quit after only getting 63%.
They may actually need a flame thrower. I was reading an article about previous prime ministers who have won the votes of no confidence and still ended up going. None of them have been a patch on Johnson.
Quote from: gallsman on June 06, 2022, 12:45:41 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 06, 2022, 08:46:11 AM
What was it he said? You'll need a flame thrower to get rid of me? If the no confidence vote fails, which I suspect it will, then this boy will cling on to "power" for another while :(
If he gets 180 out of 359, not a doubt in my mind he'll stay. The usual suspects will be proclaiming victory. May quit after only getting 63%.
Good if he does stay. He'll get feck all done without the party behind him as people will be empowered to oppose him.
if he stays he'll clear the opposers out.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 06, 2022, 01:40:12 PM
if he stays he'll clear the opposers out.
Big split in the Torys evidently, openly going at it on the Twittersphere, well Nadine going in hard on some, but she knows her goose is cooked if Boris goes, who would touch her with a barge pole, but that also includes a lot of other Tory ministers who've sold their souls so much to defend Boris they're now damaged goods along with him.
Quote from: johnnycool on June 06, 2022, 03:40:57 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 06, 2022, 01:40:12 PM
if he stays he'll clear the opposers out.
Big split in the Torys evidently, openly going at it on the Twittersphere, well Nadine going in hard on some, but she knows her goose is cooked if Boris goes, who would touch her with a barge pole, but that also includes a lot of other Tory ministers who've sold their souls so much to defend Boris they're now damaged goods along with him.
Imagine reducing yourself to being a lickspittle for Boris Johnson, well that is what Dorries has done. Thick as mince she is. Either way it looks as though the Tory party is splitting further. The cabinet is already full of ERG/Brexit fanatics, now it's gonna divide further into the pro Boris (for now) Brexiteers and the anti Boris Brexiteers. They are some shower.
Yeah that's it. Some of the ones who have backed him hve no way back. Without him they have no career and are just yes people. On an objective vote he's toast however on a self preservationist vote I am not as sure.
The likes of Hunt have kept themselves detached enough that there is a way back. Dorres has absolutely no way back and likewise for Pratel I imagine and probably Mogg.
I will believe he's gone when I see it.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 06, 2022, 04:11:39 PM
Yeah that's it. Some of the ones who have backed him hve no way back. Without him they have no career and are just yes people. On an objective vote he's toast however on a self preservationist vote I am not as sure.
The likes of Hunt have kept themselves detached enough that there is a way back. Dorres has absolutely no way back and likewise for Pratel I imagine and probably Mogg.
I will believe he's gone when I see it.
He is 1/6 to win the vote which means that he is about 80% certain to bundle onwards until the next scandal.
Yeah he's a cert tbh. Hopefully it's the start of it but he's not like the other ones. He's the most shameless ever so he'll ride it out for a year now I suspect.
Definitely winning the vote and heaping more misery on millions
To vote Tory is to confirm you have shit for brains
The sceptic in me says the Boris support has put in a few letters to get it over the number now, so when they lose the seats at the next by-elections they have lost the chance and the madness continues.
Quote from: Square Ball on June 06, 2022, 05:14:42 PM
The sceptic in me says the Boris support has put in a few letters to get it over the number now, so when they lose the seats at the next by-elections they have lost the chance and the madness continues.
Depends what winning looks like, 100+ votes against will see him as a lame duck prime minister and if they get a booting in the upcoming by elections then he would normally resign but Boris won't do that.
Is there a timelimit on how ofter the Tory's can do a vote of no confidence?
He's done, even if he wins vote, just matter of time. But, my God, the alternatives. Sunak, Patel, Truss, Gove.... Holy sweet f**k.
There can't be another vote for a year.
Don't forget Dorres. Where do you even start with her.
Or this thing!!
https://images.app.goo.gl/E1zmZTi68c4VUNPM8
Is it possible the Tories split over the fallout...
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on June 06, 2022, 08:10:03 PM
Is it possible the Tories split over the fallout...
Not a snowballs chance in hell
I can't remember where I read it but the tory party policy is "Party before Country" no chance of a split. Party comes before everything
Hope he survives as it will cost the tories big time at the next GE, if he is ousted tonight they may get there house in order before 2024.
Quote from: pbat on June 06, 2022, 08:49:49 PM
Hope he survives as it will cost the tories big time at the next GE, if he is ousted tonight they may get there house in order before 2024.
I don't think its possible for there not to be warring factions in there.
Brexit is a gaping wound that won't go away.
Quote from: red hander on June 06, 2022, 05:43:12 PM
He's done, even if he wins vote, just matter of time. But, my God, the alternatives. Sunak, Patel, Truss, Gove.... Holy sweet f**k.
It's like a the line up from "The usual suspects "
Only won by 50 odd seats.. tick tock
That's a good winging, mortally wounded I'd imagine, but sure he's no shame.
211 to 148.
No shame in him. He'll not be budging.
Tick tock indeed.
My 21 month of daughter struggling to sleep all evening with a sore tummy so we got her up. No joke, she puked literally the moment the result was read out ;D
By elections the next few weeks are now massive for him!!
That was not what him or his team thought would happen.
Almost 75% of backbenchers rebelled so I'd say he's done.
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on June 06, 2022, 08:53:06 PM
Quote from: pbat on June 06, 2022, 08:49:49 PM
Hope he survives as it will cost the tories big time at the next GE, if he is ousted tonight they may get there house in order before 2024.
I don't think its possible for there not to be warring factions in there.
Brexit is a gaping wound that won't go away.
Hard Brexit plus inflation. The one exacerbates the other
They've obviously all been lined up to come out with this guff that the result shows he increased his popularity from when he got the gig, or that he's more popular than Starter. Utterly shameless.
You got about 100+ cowards there, only about 40 odd openly came out against him before hand, didn't even think they get near a 100, some sneaky bollacks afraid to stick their heads above the parapet.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 06, 2022, 11:46:37 PM
You got about 100+ cowards there, only about 40 odd openly came out against him before hand, didn't even think they get near a 100, some sneaky bollacks afraid to stick their heads above the parapet.
Of the 300 plus Tory parliamentary party 170 are on the governments payroll, ministers, junior ministers, advisors etc etc, they would hardly be biting the hand that feeds them all the same, so if you look at all those back benchers, only 40 voted for him.
He'll have some blackmailing to do for the next while, but he's a dab hand at it.
It's a major victory. More than he beat Hunt by, in an election which was completely and utterly different but that's more important than any accuracy, the prime minister elections.
There is obviously a big problem. Voters don't like Boris Johnson. There are 2 by-elections coming up. If they lose both of those the game may be up.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 06, 2022, 09:09:28 PM
No shame in him. He'll not be budging.
20 years ago when the tribunals were getting going people used to marvel at the shamelessness of Fianna Fail and their leading lights.
Those boys couldn't hold a candle to the likes of Boris and Trump and the sheer audacity with which they engage in sleaze, corruption and self-dealing.
As long as they're seen as sticking it to the right people, their supporters don't give a f**k,
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 07, 2022, 09:01:17 AM
It's a major victory. More than he beat Hunt by, in an election which was completely and utterly different but that's more important than any accuracy, the prime minister elections.
As has been repeatedly pointed out to them, he got 59% in a one horse race. ;D
He's toast.
Quote from: gallsman on June 07, 2022, 01:07:02 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 07, 2022, 09:01:17 AM
It's a major victory. More than he beat Hunt by, in an election which was completely and utterly different but that's more important than any accuracy, the prime minister elections.
As has been repeatedly pointed out to them, he got 59% in a one horse race. ;D
If he goes below 50% it's over
Quote from: seafoid on June 07, 2022, 02:01:39 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 07, 2022, 01:07:02 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 07, 2022, 09:01:17 AM
It's a major victory. More than he beat Hunt by, in an election which was completely and utterly different but that's more important than any accuracy, the prime minister elections.
As has been repeatedly pointed out to them, he got 59% in a one horse race. ;D
If he goes below 50% it's over
Thanks. Hadn't copped that part ::)
QuoteTony
@RestIsPolitics
says "Apparently the standard practice is for the chief whip to enter the PM's office with a glass of brandy + a revolver, and suggest it's time to do the right thing. The only problem being that Johnson is likely to drink the brandy and shoot the chief whip"
I actually want him to stay on. His tenure is surely a good thing if you want a change in government. If the Tories change leader, the electorate might be willing to give him/her a chance and we're into a further 5 years of Tory rule. I'd say Starmer will be hoping Boris stays on.
Quote from: trailer on June 07, 2022, 02:58:01 PM
I actually want him to stay on. His tenure is surely a good thing if you want a change in government. If the Tories change leader, the electorate might be willing to give him/her a chance and we're into a further 5 years of Tory rule. I'd say Starmer will be hoping Boris stays on.
Exactly...keep him in
Quote from: trailer on June 07, 2022, 02:58:01 PM
I actually want him to stay on. His tenure is surely a good thing if you want a change in government. If the Tories change leader, the electorate might be willing to give him/her a chance and we're into a further 5 years of Tory rule. I'd say Starmer will be hoping Boris stays on.
Heard this too from a work colleague. He's at his most impotent now, better the devil you know, but he'll still be f**king about until his last minute in the job. Truth be told the Tory party is about one thing, carving up the wealth of anything it can infect for the elites, yes their ideology will benefit some others of a similarly one eyed disposition outside of this cabal, but its single aim is wealth transfer and suppression of the growth and wellbeing of the general populous.
He's full on for Ukraine, that role is just tailor made for him, some redemption is due. He's probably only following military intelligence and strategy but he's fronting it well with typical exaggerated populist jingoism which goes down really well with the beleaguered Ukrainians. I can't see any other brit who could carry that one off. He's walking on water in Ukraine.
Quote from: Main Street on June 07, 2022, 08:59:40 PMHe's walking on water in Ukraine.
A floater more like...
Quote from: Main Street on June 07, 2022, 08:59:40 PM
He's full on for Ukraine, that role is just tailor made for him, some redemption is due. He's probably only following military intelligence and strategy but he's fronting it well with typical exaggerated populist jingoism which goes down really well with the beleaguered Ukrainians. I can't see any other brit who could carry that one off. He's walking on water in Ukraine.
I believe he's talking the talk but military aid is slow from the Brits, with the US and France leading the way, but Boris was first is all that you will hear!
I seen this video on Twitter the other day which perfectly surmises the man. He is no leader, and is a total disgrace. The quote "the fifth time he has made a woman pregnant who is not his wife!" demonstrates his morals and integrity as a human being. The longer he stays as PM the more damage he does to the Conservative party and Britain itself.
https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1533765420427186179 (https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1533765420427186179)
Quote from: Joeythelips on June 08, 2022, 11:15:42 AM
I seen this video on Twitter the other day which perfectly surmises the man. He is no leader, and is a total disgrace. The quote "the fifth time he has made a woman pregnant who is not his wife!" demonstrates his morals and integrity as a human being. The longer he stays as PM the more damage he does to the Conservative party and Britain itself.
https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1533765420427186179 (https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1533765420427186179)
A total sc**bag alright, and he's hardly a looker..
There is no two ways about it - he is a bad man.
Politicians are generally slippery and hard to warm to but this is different level. A bad man and the sooner we see the back of him the better. He will shaft this place yet over that protocol too.
I'm intrigued as to why the English voted for him. Was it just because of Corbyn?
Quote from: trailer on June 07, 2022, 02:58:01 PM
I actually want him to stay on. His tenure is surely a good thing if you want a change in government. If the Tories change leader, the electorate might be willing to give him/her a chance and we're into a further 5 years of Tory rule. I'd say Starmer will be hoping Boris stays on.
A new Tory won't change anything. Neither will Starmer.
There will just be more kids in this situation
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-61716032
Quote from: Armamike on June 08, 2022, 01:58:05 PM
I'm intrigued as to why the English voted for him. Was it just because of Corbyn?
Xenophobia/closet racism (stoked by Tory the press gang)
Delusions of grandeur (voting Tory makes you a better class of poor)
Shit for brains, unwilling/unable to see the Tories for the cabal they are - obsessed with transfer of wealth and asset stripping anything they come in contact with, line your pockets now, give a shit
later never
Operation "Save Big Dog" takes it up another step in absurdity when they want to allow people on benefits to buy their own houses...
Problem is the Mortgage lenders haven't bought into it and neither have the housing associations.
Coffey talks about using their disposable income to go towards a mortgage. If you're on benefits I'd suggest disposable income would be scant.
Quote from: johnnycool on June 09, 2022, 04:54:54 PM
Operation "Save Big Dog" takes it up another step in absurdity when they want to allow people on benefits to buy their own houses...
Problem is the Mortgage lenders haven't bought into it and neither have the housing associations.
Coffey talks about using their disposable income to go towards a mortgage. If you're on benefits I'd suggest disposable income would be scant.
I mean Stevie Wonder can see that this is a disaster waiting to happen... If someone on benefits is fit to 'buy' their own house then I'm getting on benefits quick!
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-lord-frost-brexit-27196006
Johnson still has useful idiot value to the tory party.
Quote from: Main Street on June 10, 2022, 02:27:54 PM
Johnson still has useful idiot value to the tory party.
Indeed
Boris Johnson: The billionaires' useful idiot
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/uk-boris-johnson-confidence-vote-billionaires-useful-idiot (https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/uk-boris-johnson-confidence-vote-billionaires-useful-idiot)
Quote from: blasmere on June 10, 2022, 02:40:41 PM
Quote from: Main Street on June 10, 2022, 02:27:54 PM
Johnson still has useful idiot value to the tory party.
Indeed
Boris Johnson: The billionaires' useful idiot
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/uk-boris-johnson-confidence-vote-billionaires-useful-idiot (https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/uk-boris-johnson-confidence-vote-billionaires-useful-idiot)
This. He damages the Tory party each day he remains as leader, but the wealthy donors love him. Says it all really.
Quote from: Joeythelips on June 11, 2022, 09:44:26 AM
Quote from: blasmere on June 10, 2022, 02:40:41 PM
Quote from: Main Street on June 10, 2022, 02:27:54 PM
Johnson still has useful idiot value to the tory party.
Indeed
Boris Johnson: The billionaires' useful idiot
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/uk-boris-johnson-confidence-vote-billionaires-useful-idiot (https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/uk-boris-johnson-confidence-vote-billionaires-useful-idiot)
This. He damages the Tory party each day he remains as leader, but the wealthy donors love him. Says it all really.
There is no separation, the billionaires are the tory party, they own it lock, stock and barrel.
The Tories aren't saft they've gone harder on immigration and Brexit so no more talk of confidence votes or partygate!!!
Immigration shenanigans won't protect the Tories from inflation.
if the had the vote of no confidence today would he be out?
By elections will put the pressure on Boris but he'll brazen it out. That's what he's like.
Only thing is if his inner circle start to think that their jobs are on the line, they might think twice.
The two elections yesterday, in the north of England and south west, were because of an mp watching porn on in the hoc and the other one was charged with sexual assault I think.
Crazy stuff.
One thing is for sure - he won't resign. He needs all the back benchers etc to turn. There's life in him yet :(
Private Eye magazine going in on Boris with a lot of details on the story the Times pulled.
Not for those of a sensitive disposition or delicate gag reflex..
https://twitter.com/no_bollocks/status/1542106294643003392/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/no_bollocks/status/1542106294643003392/photo/1)
Quote from: johnnycool on June 29, 2022, 06:39:37 PM
Private Eye magazine going in on Boris with a lot of details on the story the Times pulled.
Not for those of a sensitive disposition or delicate gag reflex..
https://twitter.com/no_bollocks/status/1542106294643003392/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/no_bollocks/status/1542106294643003392/photo/1)
Jesus, those Tory's are dirt birds as they say in Lurgan, Chief whip has had to resign from that roll for getting blocked in a HOC bar and groping some other MP's, male ones at that..
How many of them is that now? Rape case, tractor porn, now bjs for bj, groping / sexual assault.
They say it's a resignation matter for Johnson. When will people learn that this guy isn't resigning.
Jesus these Tory Ministers must be getting pissed off with constantly having to come on TV and make fools and liars of themselves trying to defend the indefensible
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 01, 2022, 03:57:30 PM
How many of them is that now? Rape case, tractor porn, now bjs for bj, groping / sexual assault.
They say it's a resignation matter for Johnson. When will people learn that this guy isn't resigning.
If he hasn't resigned at this stage he never will, short of him actually killing someone live on tv. Makes you wonder what else we aren't hearing about if this is the shit that is coming out
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on July 05, 2022, 11:46:41 AM
Jesus these Tory Ministers must be getting pissed off with constantly having to come on TV and make fools and liars of themselves trying to defend the indefensible
And the biggest one is Holy Joe Rees Mogg, the lies are flying out of him like Hail Mary's at the Clonard Monastery Novena.
Bojo when they are finally ready to shaft him, he should call a snap general election and burn the whole tory party down on his way out.
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on July 05, 2022, 11:46:41 AM
Jesus these Tory Ministers must be getting pissed off with constantly having to come on TV and make fools and liars of themselves trying to defend the indefensible
I know, the minister for this and that comes on for an interview and all they do is spend 10 mins defending/bluffing about another misconduct/dodgy action by another one of their mps.
Madness in that party.
That members club must be some spot!
Quote from: johnnycool on July 05, 2022, 11:52:24 AM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on July 05, 2022, 11:46:41 AM
Jesus these Tory Ministers must be getting pissed off with constantly having to come on TV and make fools and liars of themselves trying to defend the indefensible
And the biggest one is Holy Joe Rees Mogg, the lies are flying out of him like Hail Mary's at the Clonard Monastery Novena.
Funniest contribution I've read in a long time. Laughed out loud.
I always wonder how the likes of him, Donaldson etc square the lies with their Christianity.
Sunak and Javid have resigned. Bojo entering End Game?
Has to be gone!
Quote from: screenexile on July 05, 2022, 06:19:29 PM
Has to be gone!
No chance, he'll drag it out a while yet
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 05, 2022, 06:18:35 PM
Sunak and Javid have resigned. Bojo entering End Game?
All kicking off now.
Deserting the sinking ship now.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 05, 2022, 06:18:35 PM
Sunak and Javid have resigned. Bojo entering End Game?
You would think so. It reminds me of Babs Keating and Offaly in 1994
He's just of TV there, Of course people can trust me! Lol 😂
Still unlikely he will resign but surely the wagons are circling?
Patel is hardly going to resign back into the mediocrity whence she came
Quote from: seafoid on July 05, 2022, 06:38:50 PM
Patel is hardly going to resign back into the mediocrity whence she came
She and Dorries back Bojo.....will it stay like that?
Jabers, there are more leaving the British cabinet than the Tyrone team.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 05, 2022, 06:41:50 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 05, 2022, 06:38:50 PM
Patel is hardly going to resign back into the mediocrity whence she came
She and Dorries back Bojo.....will it stay like that?
Dorries and Patel would die in the Reichsbunker with Johnson
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 05, 2022, 05:38:16 PM
I always wonder how the likes of him, Donaldson etc square the lies with their Christianity.
Easy - they're terrible, terrible Christians.
;D Sounds about right tbh.
Trade envoy to Tunisia and Tory party Vice chair have resigned. Maybe not big names but pace gradually picking up....
Unfortunately, if the Tory c#nt Boris is removed, he will be replaced by another Tory c#nt. Nothing will change until the next General election. And probably not even then
The tractor porn incident was the best one by far. I'll miss Johnson., he gave ignominy new meanings.
https://www.ft.com/content/12e81def-d76a-4f56-84a4-3dd2f4c95e33
"It's a fin de siècle moment," said one former minister. "It's the combination of incompetence and dishonesty that people can't stomach."
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 05, 2022, 07:39:06 PM
Trade envoy to Tunisia and Tory party Vice chair have resigned. Maybe not big names but pace gradually picking up....
has the trade envoy to Cameroon called him out yet?
Quote from: armaghniac on July 05, 2022, 09:13:49 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 05, 2022, 07:39:06 PM
Trade envoy to Tunisia and Tory party Vice chair have resigned. Maybe not big names but pace gradually picking up....
has the trade envoy to Cameroon called him out yet?
Lord Snooty as Minister for Brexit opportunities never seems very busy.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 05, 2022, 06:55:58 PM
Jabers, there are more leaving the British cabinet than the Tyrone team.
😂 Very good although it's closer to the amount of rows armagh have been involved in lol
He's digging in.
Having a bad hair day.
This is normally the moment the PM resigns, we will see what happens in the morning.
With Johnson though you never know what might happen, he might call a general election and damn the begrudgers.
a clatter more resignations, the boy is not for quitting.....
One political commentator put the promotions of Nadhim Zahawi to Chancellor and the other lad to Education like Hilter promoting the Generals in his bunker in Berlin to field marshalls over armies that were no more than pins on a map at that stage..
very apt I thought, but I can't see the sc**bag resigning, they'll have to change their rules in the 1922 committee to push through another vote of no confidence soon and hope to be shot of him by the summer recess.
It wouldn't surprise me if he was negotiating a redundancy package on his terms before he walks away.. like the German officer in Inglorious Back stars.
Does Johnson have so little else going for him that he considers himself royally f**Jed if he had to resign? Some half arsed media gig with GB news and some of the Tory papers be likely his destination but could it support his financial needs? Does he think Carrie, his donors and all others will abandon him, now that he would become an idiot rather than a useful idiot.
His refusal to bow time and time again is remarkable and he did think it was his for life.
Perfect reflection of politics at present.
It's a power thing more than a money thing. He will be on the "circuit" doing public speaking gigs for years.
There are many layers to this boy and personality disorders galore going on.
What was he said - they'll need a flamethrower to get me out. (Also according to Cummings - I'm the fuhrer now)
This is quality stuff today. Better than transfer deadline day. If we could just get a purple dildo in some reporters ear this could be epic 😃😎
I have no idea what the reference to purple dildo is and it's definitely not something I am going to google lol.
ah Tommy youve got to! Back when crowds were allowed round the reporters outside the grounds some boy landed with a dildo put it in reporters ear 😂
;D I'll save it for a non work device lol.
This boy is utterly shameless. Not a mission of him resigning.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on July 06, 2022, 11:55:00 AM
ah Tommy youve got to! Back when crowds were allowed round the reporters outside the grounds some boy landed with a dildo put it in reporters ear 😂
Everton fans IIRC..
Should have stuck it up Moshiri's arse instead as he's a fool in and around that time of the year...
PMQs is wild. Boris is dead to rights here and he doesn't give a f**k
It depends on how the party reacts and how many resign. This will depend on what Johnson offers if he continues.
Sajid Javid just after murdering BoJo and his last remaining allies
What did he say?
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 06, 2022, 01:23:40 PM
What did he say?
Taken from Telegraph
He says he welcomes Johnson's apology last night.
But the reset button can only be pressed so many times. He says something at the top is fundamentally wrong.
I fear that the reset button can only work so many times. There's only so many times you can turn that machine on and off before you realise something is fundamentally wrong
The problem starts at the top and that is not going to change.
He gave the PM one last chance, but now he has had enough, he says.
He says ministerial colleagues will have their own reasons for staying. He goes on:
But let's be clear; not doing something is an active decision.
He suggest Johnson's leadership will damage the reputation of the party in the future.
I don't think he cares what they say is the only thing. It'll have to be that 1922 committee.
I think he's getting advice from Sepp Blatter
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 06, 2022, 01:54:26 PM
I don't think he cares what they say is the only thing. It'll have to be that 1922 committee.
After the vote of no confidence was won was there not a date before he could be pulled again?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 06, 2022, 02:30:59 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 06, 2022, 01:54:26 PM
I don't think he cares what they say is the only thing. It'll have to be that 1922 committee.
After the vote of no confidence was won was there not a date before he could be pulled again?
One year. The rules can always be changed though...
Sammy has gave him the vote of confidence...... surely he must go now.
Watching prome ministers questions it doesn't like he is in a mood for quitting.
dropping like flies now, mind you nobodies. Liam Fox now putting the boot in as well
Quote from: Square Ball on July 06, 2022, 02:54:45 PM
dropping like flies now, mind you nobodies. Liam Fox now putting the boot in as well
Liam Fox being opposed to Boris does make you wonder if Boris does not have some good features.
Our man in Whitehall, Mr Lewis hanging in there like the good arsélicker that he is.
If Boris goes, does that NI Protocol bill fall by the wayside or does it continue?
Lewis is doing all he can to get out of being SOS for here, no person in their right mind would take on that role.
Some crack if Simon Hoare was next PM. Id vote for him, just to get Brysons reaction
Quote from: ardtole on July 06, 2022, 03:36:34 PM
Some crack if Simon Hoare was next PM. Id vote for him, just to get Brysons reaction
That would be good alright ;D
Irrespective of issues on policy it would be imperative that someone with a ounce (16 to the pound Boris and I went to a state comprehensive) of decency and integrity would make a welcome change and that rules out all those sycophants currently in the Tory Government cabinet.
They're seeping away, one by one. Man-reptile Gove told him to jump this morning and should be next to go. Longer it drags out the better, for entertainment value plus further division in the Tory ranks.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbcnews (https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbcnews)
Boris getting a live kicking...
https://mobile.twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1544676837510594560
BBC have a running total on screen ...currently 32..
Have just seen a tweet from Peston saying that Zawahi (yes, that one) is in the delegation of ministers waiting downstairs to tell him to go ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
https://ft.com/content/da4b0997-c678-49d8-9315-02ca1d833497
A delegation of senior cabinet ministers including the new chancellor Nadhim Zahawi will visit Boris Johnson in Downing Street on Wednesday to tell him that he should resign as prime minister.
What happens now?
So, say they tell him to go. Either way, it's a matter of time.
But does that mean there'll be an election or they just change their leader?
Quote from: marty34 on July 06, 2022, 05:30:23 PM
What happens now?
So, say they tell him to go. Either way, it's a matter of time.
But does that mean there'll be an election or they just change their leader?
It should be a change of leader only ...
Sammy Wilson wants him to remain. He says the country needs stability at this time
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on July 06, 2022, 05:38:23 PM
Sammy Wilson wants him to remain. He says the country needs stability at this time
Someone even more shit than Boris must being lined up..
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on July 06, 2022, 05:38:23 PM
Sammy Wilson wants him to remain. He says the country needs stability at this time
Sammy must be on the coke in Westminster toilets again
By this stage Sammy knows he can do and say absolutely anything he likes, and as long as he avoids obscurity, will be returned by his constituency forever.
Quote from: delgany on July 06, 2022, 05:36:58 PM
Quote from: marty34 on July 06, 2022, 05:30:23 PM
What happens now?
So, say they tell him to go. Either way, it's a matter of time.
But does that mean there'll be an election or they just change their leader?
It should be a change of leader only ...
148 voted against him in the no confidence vote in February. They need 32 more for a majority.
As soon as they have that the chairman of the 1922 backbench committee will tell him.
Johnson may decide not to resign. But he has no authority left
Quote from: marty34 on July 06, 2022, 05:30:23 PM
What happens now?
So, say they tell him to go. Either way, it's a matter of time.
But does that mean there'll be an election or they just change their leader?
What happens if (when?) he refuses?
What's the word of the decade? Unprecedented?
Something has to make him go surely.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 06, 2022, 06:45:00 PM
What's the word of the decade? Unprecedented?
Something has to make him go surely.
Maybe if the people of Ukraine told him to go he would
I listened to Starmer's speech today, I though apart from a few good digs he did let Johnson off lightly, he could have gone for broke, thrown off the parliamentary shackles and inflicted death by a thousand cuts. Some good ones though, referring to the tories who belatedly attempt to rinse the party off from the stench of Johnson, "is this the first recorded incident of the sinking ships fleeing the rat"
then dismissed Johnson's personal attack retort with a rapier swipe. He then referred to those that are still siding with Johnson making "the charge of the lightweight brigade" "a Z list cast of nodding dogs"
As good as Starmer did perform today my eyes didn't stray far from Ms Angela.
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on July 06, 2022, 05:38:23 PM
Sammy Wilson wants him to remain. He says the country needs stability at this time
Sammy votes remain. Finally
The Times now reporting that Priti Patel calling on him to go, the vultures are circling if true, need to look after myself now will be the attitude.
Rooting for Boris here, he's exactly what the Tories and the British electorate deserve, dig in old buddy old pal it's time to show just how Trumpian you really are you f**king sc**bag
When will the penny drop for Boris that his time is up? One of the biggest buffoons round but surely someone can tell him or least get him to jump but he's pushed.
Quote from: Square Ball on July 06, 2022, 07:24:40 PM
The Times now reporting that Priti Patel calling on him to go, the vultures are circling if true, need to look after myself now will be the attitude.
They must have a majority
Sounds like there is no chance he resigns.
The 1922 committee will likely meet next week and he'll lose the confidence vote but even then I'm not sure that forces him out.
Can he call an election? Will the Queen allow it? You'd nearly hope so and it'll annihilate the Tories for the next 15-20 years.
Absolute scenes!!
Quote from: screenexile on July 06, 2022, 07:43:02 PM
Sounds like there is no chance he resigns.
The 1922 committee will likely meet next week and he'll lose the confidence vote but even then I'm not sure that forces him out.
Can he call an election? Will the Queen allow it? You'd nearly hope so and it'll annihilate the Tories for the next 15-20 years.
Absolute scenes!!
The plutocrats will remove him if the 1922 can't
He's not for quitting, Brandon Lewis resigned as well. I need more popcorn.
Apparently he hasn't 🤷♂️
Quote from: tiempo on July 06, 2022, 07:31:03 PM
Rooting for Boris here, he's exactly what the Tories and the British electorate deserve, dig in old buddy old pal it's time to show just how Trumpian you really are you f**king sc**bag
This
Quote from: Square Ball on July 06, 2022, 08:31:22 PM
He's not for quitting, Brandon Lewis resigned as well. I need more popcorn.
Apparently he hasn't 🤷♂️
Heckeled on the flight over from Belfast lol. Would be great to be on a stag with him on the flight during this debacle.
https://www.ft.com/content/d2a3654b-5ba0-47b7-b0d9-5a85ade121fc
The UK prime minister was warned that unless he stepped down there would be further cabinet resignations, followed by an inevitable humiliating defeat by Tory MPs in a no-confidence vote next week.
He's already past the point of no return by any past reasonability. Her Majesty has returned to Buckingham Palace to await the inevitable. Anything from now is stupidly Trumpian and Mr Trump eventually walked the walk.
He's just sacked Michael Gove
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on July 06, 2022, 09:18:03 PM
He's just sacked Michael Gove
Jesus it's gas lads!! Pantomime wouldn't be in it!!
This is hilarious
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on July 06, 2022, 09:18:03 PM
He's just sacked Michael Gove
Getting his revenge for Gove backstabbing him after Cameron resigned.
Between hopping and trotting all day, only got to check the phone every few hours. Some action today!!
The history books of the future be interesting in how they frame this administration. I wonder would his intention be to burn down as many as he can once he's finally brought down himself?
Quote from: Aaron Boone on July 06, 2022, 09:16:17 PM
He's already past the point of no return by any past reasonability. Her Majesty has returned to Buckingham Palace to await the inevitable. Anything from now is stupidly Trumpian and Mr Trump eventually walked the walk.
The beauty of this, he has been given a 1 year stay of execution, something Trump didn't have, even if he only gets another few days before some sort of contrived executive order finishes him off, my guess (and hope) is that he makes a full **** of himself and the Tories in this death spiral however long it lasts
Make no mistake its not going to finish the Tories off or make them unelectable by any means, they're too dirty and too establishment for that to happen, but a good bloodletting is needed for all their corruption and greed, and a good lesson to the electorate too, who in the end won't heed it, as a huge proportion of them are too easily led by the dog whistle
He's going nowhere fast. Making a a complete laughing stock of the British and the tories. I don't think I have seen a less intelligent person in any position of authority anywhere than dorres. An absolute joke of a person.
Said it a for a long time. Boris and trump are state agents designed to weaken the USA and UK. To be fair they have completed their job wonderfully.
He's proving more difficult to nail than Rasputin.
Suella Braverman on Peston getting proper stuck in on Boris... she's running!!!
Quote from: screenexile on July 06, 2022, 11:05:08 PM
Suella Braverman on Peston getting proper stuck in on Boris... she's running!!!
PS. She's horrible I hope she doesn't get near it!
No. 10 source called Gove 'a snake'. :) :) :)
It's like something out of a carry on movie.
Odds per Financial Times
Tugendhat 12/1
Zahrawi 23/2
Javid 8/1
Sunak 7/1
Truss 15/2
Penny Mordaunt 9/2
It is an absolute shitshow - and great viewing :)
Another 5 resignations so far this morning (including that cnut Brandon Lewis).
If they didnt get shot of him yesterday they are up bright and early to get the job finished today
Quote from: seafoid on July 07, 2022, 08:06:41 AM
Odds per Financial Times
Tugendhat 12/1
Zahrawi 23/2
Javid 8/1
Sunak 7/1
Truss 15/2
Penny Mordaunt 9/2
Wide open enough.
No clear favourite. I wonder is there more scandal to come out over the next few weeks. The Tory party seem to have a scandal issue every few weeks.
Question is, who really wants it?
Quote from: Taylor on July 07, 2022, 08:10:30 AM
It is an absolute shitshow - and great viewing :)
Another 5 resignations so far this morning (including that cnut Brandon Lewis).
If they didnt get shot of him yesterday they are up bright and early to get the job finished today
Are you sure Lewis has resigned? I have heard that he hasn't. He is basically a used car salesman in the wrong job.
the final straw is if Dorres resigns. She's the tories Sammy Wilson ;D
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 07, 2022, 08:23:35 AM
Quote from: Taylor on July 07, 2022, 08:10:30 AM
It is an absolute shitshow - and great viewing :)
Another 5 resignations so far this morning (including that cnut Brandon Lewis).
If they didnt get shot of him yesterday they are up bright and early to get the job finished today
Are you sure Lewis has resigned? I have heard that he hasn't. He is basically a used car salesman in the wrong job.
the final straw is if Dorres resigns. She's the tories Sammy Wilson ;D
He is definitely away this morning. The letter is wrote
Surely the next Tory Gov will want to stay on the straight and narrow. probably not want break international law and stuff.
Quote from: markl121 on July 07, 2022, 08:26:45 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 07, 2022, 08:23:35 AM
Quote from: Taylor on July 07, 2022, 08:10:30 AM
It is an absolute shitshow - and great viewing :)
Another 5 resignations so far this morning (including that cnut Brandon Lewis).
If they didnt get shot of him yesterday they are up bright and early to get the job finished today
Are you sure Lewis has resigned? I have heard that he hasn't. He is basically a used car salesman in the wrong job.
the final straw is if Dorres resigns. She's the tories Sammy Wilson ;D
He is definitely away this morning. The letter is wrote
Ah good. He has some morals in him ;D (Bollocks he has lol)
Sensetheone I dunno - it's not like any of the rest of them have morals. Although it is funny the world seeing Boris for what he is and blatantly has always been.
They'll have to go for a woman this time
They are all a bunch of self serving pricks.
Backing him to the hilt & telling blatant lies - now all of a sudden they cant work under him.
I hope they all get destroyed in the coming weeks.
Rabb is one off the biggest liars for years.
He'd a shipping contract sorted with a company that hadn't a vessel.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 07, 2022, 08:55:51 AM
They'll have to go for a woman this time
Braverman the AG putting herself out there, Liz Truss the obvious one, Nadine Dorries for the funnies!!!
Pull hard Boris you can do it, this is senior hurling, show them what you're made of!
Ah ballix.
He has prepared his resignation letter.
Was hoping to get the weekend out of this for entertainment levels alone
He's gone
... and hes supposedly away.
Some craic if he makes (another) U-turn to clarify that nah, i didn't really mean I was going :D
Letter being penned for him....doesnt say he'll sign. Like Taylor i hoped we'd get to the weekend for the bants 😊
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on July 07, 2022, 09:16:33 AM
Letter being penned for him....doesnt say he'll sign. Like Taylor i hoped we'd get to the weekend for the bants 😊
We might get a few more scandals breaking over the weekend on the remaining MP's though
Situation like this, it should be a reelection instead of the tories picking their own, I say there been a fair chance they lost an election after the past 2yrs
Who'll be the replacement.
The direct undercast are an extremely mediocre bunch with faults and issues galore.
Should been gone after the Covid parties, when everybody else was under strict lockdown. I wonder how successful lockdown was in hindsight,, injections aside, as I picked Covid up twice since it been lifted, and in the current climate looks like most people will pick it up again bi-yearly.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 07, 2022, 09:25:26 AM
Situation like this, it should be a reelection instead of the tories picking their own, I say there been a fair chance they lost an election after the past 2yrs
The Tories are the establishment party, they'll do what the f**k they like, and to be honest, if there was an election last month, last week, today or whenever they'd still find it very difficult to lose, such is inbuilt sense of superiority and xenophobia inbuilt within the little Englanders
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 07, 2022, 09:25:26 AM
Situation like this, it should be a reelection instead of the tories picking their own, I say there been a fair chance they lost an election after the past 2yrs
No chance unfortunately.
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on July 07, 2022, 09:30:35 AM
Who'll be the replacement.
The direct undercast are an extremely mediocre bunch with faults and issues galore.
Sunak the bookies favourite atm.. Tory talking on BBC atm thinks that it'll be Labour/SNP government next election
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 07, 2022, 09:31:37 AM
Should been gone after the Covid parties, when everybody else was under strict lockdown. I wonder how successful lockdown was in hindsight,, injections aside, as I picked Covid up twice since it been lifted, and in the current climate looks like most people will pick it up again bi-yearly.
That's the point. You've picked it up, having (presumably) been vaccinated.
Quote from: JoG2 on July 07, 2022, 09:38:34 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 07, 2022, 09:25:26 AM
Situation like this, it should be a reelection instead of the tories picking their own, I say there been a fair chance they lost an election after the past 2yrs
No chance unfortunately.
Vast majority of English public will applaud them for removing him and ignore that the rest of them were complicit in all the spoofery. Tories will now paint him as the bogeyman who they removed when needed and the electorate will gladly give them their votes again. Because, you know, Marxism/Brexit/Culture war/Immigrants etc.
Johnson has proposed to resign as Tory leader but stay on as PM until the autumn. This is a joke
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on July 07, 2022, 09:30:35 AM
Who'll be the replacement.
The direct undercast are an extremely mediocre bunch with faults and issues galore.
When you look at the undercast you can see why he wanted to stay
Quote from: seafoid on July 07, 2022, 09:48:56 AM
Johnson has proposed to resign as Tory leader but stay on as PM until the autumn. This is a joke
What's the alternative? They need a leadership contest to pick on, so would Raab assume power temporarily? Think I'd prefer Dorries to take over than him ffs. Has anyone checked with her? Is she ok? I imagine that'll be her entire career done as whoever is next, whatever small amount of wit they have, will surely not have her anywhere near the frontbench.
what's that much different between this week and last week? Pincher? Bojo could have resigned on much worse things up until now.
Quote from: gallsman on July 07, 2022, 09:52:01 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 07, 2022, 09:48:56 AM
Johnson has proposed to resign as Tory leader but stay on as PM until the autumn. This is a joke
What's the alternative? They need a leadership contest to pick on, so would Raab assume power temporarily? Think I'd prefer Dorries to take over than him ffs. Has anyone checked with her? Is she ok? I imagine that'll be her entire career done as whoever is next, whatever small amount of wit they have, will surely not have her anywhere near the frontbench.
I imagine she's drunk or hungover at least...
The most of these ones should be finished. Mogg has said he is which is a massive positive as he's a horrible c**t. Hopefully Pratel, Truss, Raab and even David and Sunak are done too but I would doubt it. I don't see how Dorres is deemed capable of anything any more.
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on July 07, 2022, 09:49:44 AM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on July 07, 2022, 09:30:35 AM
Who'll be the replacement.
The direct undercast are an extremely mediocre bunch with faults and issues galore.
When you look at the undercast you can see why he wanted to stay
Does it matter who replaces him, it won't make any difference to the functionality of Westminster. The obligation to serve the people has subsided for cronyism and corruption long ago. The circus has lost another clown after one inept performance after the other all played out by a tragic indifference to the reality round him. All we can hope for is the next clown doesn't quite like the DUP so much.
There was stuff came out about him and your man Ledbedev yesterday too. You do wonder how much of a russian influence there is with him.
The rest are useless but this boy is arguably the worst in history.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 07, 2022, 10:27:54 AM
There was stuff came out about him and your man Ledbedev yesterday too. You do wonder how much of a russian influence there is with him.
The rest are useless but this boy is arguably the worst in history.
Wouldn't know the lineage intimately but Churchill and Thatcher a lot worse in my view
Take a lot to surpass a genocidal racist and capitalist zealot
End of the day its a nation built on pillage, what else would you expect
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 07, 2022, 09:41:30 AM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on July 07, 2022, 09:30:35 AM
Who'll be the replacement.
The direct undercast are an extremely mediocre bunch with faults and issues galore.
Sunak the bookies favourite atm.. Tory talking on BBC atm thinks that it'll be Labour/SNP government next election
The Tories will want the Labour/SNP coalition idea in public asap as they'll use that outcome as part of their campaign. The SNP will rightly campaign on one policy next election which will be independence so entering any coalition at WM would be unlikely.
Quote from: Gael80 on July 07, 2022, 10:45:44 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 07, 2022, 09:41:30 AM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on July 07, 2022, 09:30:35 AM
Who'll be the replacement.
The direct undercast are an extremely mediocre bunch with faults and issues galore.
Sunak the bookies favourite atm.. Tory talking on BBC atm thinks that it'll be Labour/SNP government next election
The Tories will want the Labour/SNP coalition idea in public asap as they'll use that outcome as part of their campaign. The SNP will rightly campaign on one policy next election which will be independence so entering any coalition at WM would be unlikely.
100%
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 07, 2022, 10:27:54 AM
There was stuff came out about him and your man Ledbedev yesterday too. You do wonder how much of a russian influence there is with him.
The rest are useless but this boy is arguably the worst in history.
He blurted that out himself and TBH I thought at that stage he really didn't give a fúck and was enjoying the pantomime even if he was making a dick out of himself.
Not one f**k could he give. He's not gone yet either.
Quote from: tiempo on July 07, 2022, 10:36:18 AM
Wouldn't know the lineage intimately but Churchill and Thatcher a lot worse in my view
Take a lot to surpass a genocidal racist and capitalist zealot
End of the day its a nation built on pillage, what else would you expect
Plenty of England's leaders were willing to pillage other places, but only this lot would happily pillage their own country.
I presume useful eejit Bozo outlived his usefulness to the rich party funders so they got their lackeys to get rid of him.
Gives them 3 months to select their next toady.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 07, 2022, 11:08:44 AM
Quote from: tiempo on July 07, 2022, 10:36:18 AM
Wouldn't know the lineage intimately but Churchill and Thatcher a lot worse in my view
Take a lot to surpass a genocidal racist and capitalist zealot
End of the day its a nation built on pillage, what else would you expect
Plenty of England's leaders were willing to pillage other places, but only this lot would happily pillage their own country.
Excellent point, the last conquest, been roaded from most of their colonial outposts but the great asset strip must continue, pure scum
Ha, the sc**bag that he is is offering to stay as PM till October to give the tory party a chance to elect a new leader.
If they agree to that he'll have the place scorched by then.
More the fools them if they agree to it.
Quote from: johnnycool on July 07, 2022, 11:33:02 AM
Ha, the sc**bag that he is is offering to stay as PM till October to give the tory party a chance to elect a new leader.
If they agree to that he'll have the place scorched by then.
More the fools them if they agree to it.
Tweets from Dominic Cummings say as much.
Of those mentioned as his successor, only Sajid David would bring about the moderation required I think to make progress with EU / NIP negotiations. Any of the others, and we're basically at the same impasse here in 18 months time again, but without the BJ sleave factor.
As much as it's good to see Boris getting all this flak and getting his comeuppance, it won't matter who replaces him.
It wont make any difference to the complete disregard they have for the working/middle classes, the Scots, the Irish....they will continue along the same path they are now.
Until the tories are voted out, then I dont believe anything will change.
Entertaining bit of politics all the same and does really show up how self serving the tory party and individuals with power within the tory party really are.
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 07, 2022, 11:51:36 AM
Entertaining bit of politics all the same and does really show up how self serving the tory party and individuals with power within the tory party really are.
and how stupid the majority of the English electorate are that voted them in.
Appointing a new cabinet after resigning??
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 07, 2022, 11:54:46 AM
Appointing a new cabinet after resigning??
He hasn't resigned yet.
Quote from: mouview on July 07, 2022, 11:43:57 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 07, 2022, 11:33:02 AM
Ha, the sc**bag that he is is offering to stay as PM till October to give the tory party a chance to elect a new leader.
If they agree to that he'll have the place scorched by then.
More the fools them if they agree to it.
Tweets from Dominic Cummings say as much.
Of those mentioned as his successor, only Sajid David would bring about the moderation required I think to make progress with EU / NIP negotiations. Any of the others, and we're basically at the same impasse here in 18 months time again, but without the BJ sleave factor.
The Tory party are split into two camps, the "one nation" conservatives and the ERG types. It's hard to see how they now reconcile those two wings under one leader.
Boris veered hard right towards the ERG types hence the NI Protocol Bill (SFA to do with political instability here) to appease them and their want to fight the EU on every piece of legislation going.
The one nation crowd were filleted by Boris, re Dominic Grieve, etc etc, tory party grandees like Ken Clarke and others on the political shows at the minute are taking great delight in the demise of Boris and his cabinet.
Hard to see who would want to pick up that mantel and be any good at it. Plenty might want it from the existing cabinet, but useless as tits on a boar springs to mind.
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on July 07, 2022, 11:53:44 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 07, 2022, 11:51:36 AM
Entertaining bit of politics all the same and does really show up how self serving the tory party and individuals with power within the tory party really are.
and how stupid the majority of the English electorate are that voted them in.
That's true.
Though brainwashed might be a better term....I think a lot of voters honestly believe these individuals are the type of people needed to run a country. The type that think the upper or political classes are clever and that everything they say is correct (including Brexit) and in their best interest. When it doesn't work out that way, there's always someone else to blame.
They followed the tabloids in their derision of Jeremy Corbyn and, imo, a lot voted Tory as a protest vote against him.
A bit like the DUP here....you better vote for us or you'll get him. No policy or vision, just fear and manipulation. That's one thing the Tories are good at. Hopefully, people will wake up to it.
I suppose this means that the proposed £150,000 tree house for his son at Chequers won't now go ahead.
What a c*nt he is.... wont just resign straight away.
He should be mentally dissected - he has a strange mind!
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on July 07, 2022, 12:38:05 PM
I suppose this means that the proposed £150,000 tree house for his son at Chequers won't now go ahead.
In fairness this wasn't being built with public money so shouldn't be an issue.
A real pity Labour party didn't lodge a motion of No Confidence in BJ in the parliament. It would force the Tories to do an about turn and start supporting him at the same time as deserting him. Scramble their minds!
https://www.rte.ie/news/2022/0707/1308859-boris-johnson/
And
https://www.rte.ie/news/2022/0707/1308905-northern-ireland/
Quote from: mouview on July 07, 2022, 12:47:48 PM
A real pity Labour party didn't lodge a motion of No Confidence in BJ in the parliament. It would force the Tories to do an about turn and start supporting him at the same time as deserting him. Scramble their minds!
Sir Keir Starmer says Boris Johnson's "own party have finally concluded that he's unfit for Prime Minister" and Labour will "step up" and bring a vote of no confidence if the Tories do not "get rid of him". https://trib.al/dwvcRFT
https://mobile.twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1544996479072452609
He's still having a laugh here and needs out immediately. If that Lebedev or whatever he is called thing teaches them anything it's that this boy is a national security risk.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 07, 2022, 02:26:28 PM
He's still having a laugh here and needs out immediately. If that Lebedev or whatever he is called thing teaches them anything it's that this boy is a national security risk.
He'll spend the rest of summer trying to figure a way to remain in power, serious operator, go on ye good ting
So has he actually resigned at all?
2 hours ago someone said he hasn't resigned - just said he'll resign?
Jesus this is some laugh. What a bunch of fools.
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 07, 2022, 12:43:06 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on July 07, 2022, 12:38:05 PM
I suppose this means that the proposed £150,000 tree house for his son at Chequers won't now go ahead.
In fairness this wasn't being built with public money so shouldn't be an issue.
It wasn't his own money either.
He was looking a donor to pay for it...
No such thing as a free lunch.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 07, 2022, 03:03:44 PM
So has he actually resigned at all?
2 hours ago someone said he hasn't resigned - just said he'll resign?
Jesus this is some laugh. What a bunch of fools.
No. Until he visits Lizzy and tells her he resigns then he's still officially PM.
He's doing what he does best, riding (literally ;) ) roughshod over every rule and constitutional norm that the Brits take great pride in with their democracy.
Expect to see loads of dodgy peerages dished out to those who line his pocket and build him treehouses, paying for wallpaper and the likes.
When chief advisor Cummings committed self sabotage, Johnson lost most of the strategic and tactical intelligence that had propped up his leadership.
Quote from: johnnycool on July 07, 2022, 03:10:35 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 07, 2022, 03:03:44 PM
So has he actually resigned at all?
2 hours ago someone said he hasn't resigned - just said he'll resign?
Jesus this is some laugh. What a bunch of fools.
No. Until he visits Lizzy and tells her he resigns then he's still officially PM.
He's doing what he does best, riding (literally ;) ) roughshod over every rule and constitutional norm that the Brits take great pride in with their democracy.
Expect to see loads of dodgy peerages dished out to those who line his pocket and build him treehouses, paying for wallpaper and the likes.
Yeah but that's his PM resignation. What about his tory leader resignation? He doesn't need Lizzy for that.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 07, 2022, 03:17:53 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 07, 2022, 03:10:35 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 07, 2022, 03:03:44 PM
So has he actually resigned at all?
2 hours ago someone said he hasn't resigned - just said he'll resign?
Jesus this is some laugh. What a bunch of fools.
No. Until he visits Lizzy and tells her he resigns then he's still officially PM.
He's doing what he does best, riding (literally ;) ) roughshod over every rule and constitutional norm that the Brits take great pride in with their democracy.
Expect to see loads of dodgy peerages dished out to those who line his pocket and build him treehouses, paying for wallpaper and the likes.
Yeah but that's his PM resignation. What about his tory leader resignation? He doesn't need Lizzy for that.
He hasn't done that either but he seems to have told them to elect a new Tory leader in the Autumn..
Plenty of time for him to change his mind before then..
He'll do untold in the meantime.
Quote from: Main Street on July 07, 2022, 03:11:13 PM
When chief advisor Cummings committed self sabotage, Johnson lost most of the strategic and tactical intelligence that had propped up his leadership.
Carrie Antoinette forced Dom out. He had ridden out the barnard castle fiasco.
My moneys on Truss for the leadership vote. Think it'll be a Truss/javid run-off.
Quote from: trileacman on July 07, 2022, 03:21:54 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 07, 2022, 03:11:13 PM
When chief advisor Cummings committed self sabotage, Johnson lost most of the strategic and tactical intelligence that had propped up his leadership.
Carrie Antoinette forced Dom out. He had ridden out the barnard castle fiasco.
Suck the chrome off a ball hitch that one. ;D
There was a great tweet yesterday about her having the iron out to get the gold wallpaper safe.
Quote from: johnnycool on July 07, 2022, 03:21:04 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 07, 2022, 03:17:53 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 07, 2022, 03:10:35 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 07, 2022, 03:03:44 PM
So has he actually resigned at all?
2 hours ago someone said he hasn't resigned - just said he'll resign?
Jesus this is some laugh. What a bunch of fools.
No. Until he visits Lizzy and tells her he resigns then he's still officially PM.
He's doing what he does best, riding (literally ;) ) roughshod over every rule and constitutional norm that the Brits take great pride in with their democracy.
Expect to see loads of dodgy peerages dished out to those who line his pocket and build him treehouses, paying for wallpaper and the likes.
Yeah but that's his PM resignation. What about his tory leader resignation? He doesn't need Lizzy for that.
He hasn't done that either but he seems to have told them to elect a new Tory leader in the Autumn..
Plenty of time for him to change his mind before then..
He'll do untold in the meantime.
Are they all that stupid or does he just have them by the balls?
Laughable listening to his deluded followers on Sky news right now.
https://gript.ie/nobody-will-miss-boris-as-much-as-irelands-establishment/
Very True
Quote from: mouview on July 07, 2022, 12:47:48 PM
A real pity Labour party didn't lodge a motion of No Confidence in BJ in the parliament. It would force the Tories to do an about turn and start supporting him at the same time as deserting him. Scramble their minds!
No Tory would vote for it as a Government loss would trigger an election and Labour is far ahead in the polls
But if they vote down Labours motion Boris could then claim a mandate and then refuse to go.
Really cause utter mayhem.
Quote from: pbat on July 07, 2022, 10:57:06 PM
But if they vote down Labours motion Boris could then claim a mandate and then refuse to go.
Really cause utter mayhem.
Not sure if it's a shrewd move by Labour or not... could galvanise the Tories or could cause more chaos if Boris decides not to resign!
his deluded followers will probablt move onto to worshipping whoever next i have a feeling its going to be penny mordaunt
According to sky when boris was a boy he wanted to be world king. He has so far failed with that ambition.
Quote from: Rudi on July 07, 2022, 09:41:18 PM
https://gript.ie/nobody-will-miss-boris-as-much-as-irelands-establishment/
Very True
Ideologically is there any difference between Johnson and McGuirk? Two right wing c***ts.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jul/08/boris-johnson-politics-britain-ireland-europe
Quote from: Rudi on July 07, 2022, 09:41:18 PM
https://gript.ie/nobody-will-miss-boris-as-much-as-irelands-establishment/
Very True
f**king state of McGuirk, the incel contrarian twat.
"Oh boohoo, Fintan O'Toole is a far better, more serious and more respected journalist than me, even though I'm not a journalist, so I'll have to get in some sad jibe that my 17 fans will claim as an intellectual knockout blow".
Quote from: gallsman on July 09, 2022, 11:26:56 AM
Quote from: Rudi on July 07, 2022, 09:41:18 PM
https://gript.ie/nobody-will-miss-boris-as-much-as-irelands-establishment/
Very True
f**king state of McGuirk, the incel contrarian twat.
"Oh boohoo, Fintan O'Toole is a far better, more serious and more respected journalist than me, even though I'm not a journalist, so I'll have to get in some sad jibe that my 17 fans will claim as an intellectual knockout blow".
Perhaps read the article & maybe quote where McGuirk went wrong, instead of been your usual unhappy contrary self. Your comments on the Irish rugby game are typical of this boards most contrarian member.
McGuirk can never be right in your eyes, Fintan O Tool is probably Irelands biggest tosser.
Quote from: Rudi on July 09, 2022, 01:50:46 PM
Quote from: gallsman on July 09, 2022, 11:26:56 AM
Quote from: Rudi on July 07, 2022, 09:41:18 PM
https://gript.ie/nobody-will-miss-boris-as-much-as-irelands-establishment/
Very True
f**king state of McGuirk, the incel contrarian twat.
"Oh boohoo, Fintan O'Toole is a far better, more serious and more respected journalist than me, even though I'm not a journalist, so I'll have to get in some sad jibe that my 17 fans will claim as an intellectual knockout blow".
Perhaps read the article & maybe quote where McGuirk went wrong, instead of been your usual unhappy contrary self. Your comments on the Irish rugby game are typical of this boards most contrarian member.
McGuirk can never be right in your eyes, Fintan O Tool is probably Irelands biggest tosser.
Lolololol. I don't think Ireland played well in a game of rugby therefore something something John McGuirk is the fat Messiah and I can't admit it.
McGuirk is a nobody. He writes about the poor and he homeless and the drug addicted but doesn't give a f**k about them. They are merely currency to be used against whoever he's choosing to have a go at on that particular day. He has bounced around and been removed from multiple political parties for his lies, treachery and complete lack of decency or ethics. He's a fat twat with a website who would take a job with any of the major media establishments he professes to loathe if they offered him a few quid.
Boris Johnson's parting gift to conversation
https://www.ft.com/content/9f28eefd-c678-49f4-81a6-6e9ca0a2852f
Boris Johnson's parting gift to conversation From 'work event' to 'suitcased': a glossary of world-beating euphemisms from the heart of Downing Street © Lucas Varela Share on twitter (opens new window) Share on facebook (opens new window) Share on linkedin (opens new window) Share Save Robert Shrimsley JULY 8 2022 107 Print this page It was one of those late-night conversations at a bar. A colleague was recalling the partygate rows surrounding the prime minister and, in particular, reports that staff in the Downing Street press office had been dispatched to a nearby supermarket with a suitcase on wheels to bring back booze. Why, he lamented, had "suitcased" not entered the lexicon of euphemisms for severely drunk?
This got me thinking. Whether you liked or loathed Boris Johnson, his era has unquestionably been abundant in new words, terms to enrich our language and, especially, the canon of political euphemisms. The FT is therefore proud to present this new glossary:
Levelling up. A process in which competent ministers are discarded in favour of mediocre or useless loyalists. This is a key party policy to focus on the left-behind no-hopers, who were previously, and, quite rightly, languishing on the backbenches.
Doctrine of necessity. The specious legal argument deployed to justify government efforts to breach treaty arrangements to wriggle out the Northern Ireland protocol. In this case, the necessity was that the prime minister hadn't read the treaty at the time he signed it. In future use, the DoN will be used whenever no alternative or legitimate excuse exists. Possible use: "I know I promised to paint the bathroom but I'm invoking the doctrine of necessity because I'm quite tired and I can't be bothered."
A Lulu. A ludicrous extravagance that you cannot afford but do anyway in the expectation someone else will pay. (Named for the Downing Street interior designer Lulu Lytle.) As in: "It's a complete Lulu, but I couldn't say no." See also: Treehouse.
Work event. An illegal rave or party often featuring lots of essential work tools such as alcohol, karaoke and suitcases (see above). See also: "I am satisfied no rules were broken" and "Hands, face, there's a party back at my place."
Paterson. A verb meaning to change the rules when they suddenly become a nuisance. "Listen mate, I know we have always banned workplace romances, but we may need to Paterson that as I've hooked up with my secretary." See also: Doctrine of necessity.
Barnard. As in Barnard Castle, site of Dominic Cummings' Covid dash. To do a Barnard is to breach rules you have yourself proposed.
Getting the big calls right. To be deployed when you get a lot of other calls wrong. "I know I just drove the car into a lamppost, but I did sort out the loft conversion. You know, I got the big calls right."
World-beating. Mostly meaningless, but sounds good stuck in front of something else. Potential for irony as in: "Am heading home on the world-beating District line."
An inverted pyramid of piffle. True in every detail.
Party of low taxes. An ironic term, used in reference to the current UK tax burden, but one which can be adapted to the circumstances. As in, "I know I'm completely suitcased but, actually, I'm the party of low alcohol."
Islington lawyer. The ex-wife.
Carrie-d. When your new wife helps you discard the friends you hadn't realised you didn't like any more.
The Blob. Implemented initially to describe civil servants deemed to be obstructing government policy, mostly on grounds of feasibility or legality. But now used to describe pretty much anyone who disagrees with you. Possible example: "I wanted to see Top Gun but the blob is insisting on going out for dinner". See also Gloomster, Doomsters and Remainiac.
Shopping trolley. To wobble around like a trolley. Used by the PM to describe his own vacillations over Brexit, and later by his opponents to describe him. Applicable to anyone of indecisive nature.
A Pincher. Sometimes nominative determinism just does the work for you.
Googling tractors. Euphemism for watching pornography. Sometimes you can't improve on reality.
Very old friend. Anyone with a holiday home or the means to offer other significant favours. See also: Newly ennobled.
Tory leader cuurent betting accordto PP:
Sunak 6/4
Mordaunt 9/4
Truss 4/1
Tugendhat 8/1.
Give me a free bet and I would bet on Truss, but she is the one person I really wouldn't want to win. It would be another step on the road to idiocracy, I think she would be a very dangerous person to be charge of weapons. Very hard to see a genuine moderate winning.
I would say truss too and she is beyond useless. Jesus have you ever seen a worse shower. Not one of those people in that election has even one redeeming feature. Not even one.
Just seen that Badenoch is second in a small vote on the Conservative Home website. Don't know her at all. Possibly makes her more palatable than the rest...anyone know anything about her? Although if the isn't figuring in the bookies running, then probably for a reason and the Conservative Home website is non-representative
She's not too popular with the lgbtq+ people. Anti "woke rubbish" I read. I suspect she's also batshit crazy ;D You couldn't survive in that cabinet being normal.
How despised is Patel that she can't even get 20 shysters from that party of scumbags to support her?
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 12, 2022, 02:33:00 PM
She's not too popular with the lgbtq+ people. Anti "woke rubbish" I read. I suspect she's also batshit crazy ;D You couldn't survive in that cabinet being normal.
The tories are leaving the Woke and trans BS to Labour because that's where the votes will be
The UK economy is in very bad shape and continuity rather than a provisional change is not advisable. Brexit has really damaged the economy.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tory-leadership-candidates-race-vote-election-latest-z9vmgdzzq
Frostie basically calling Mordaunt dim and probably hinting she went shopping instead of negotiating with the EU.
Quote from: mouview on July 14, 2022, 11:56:00 AM
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tory-leadership-candidates-race-vote-election-latest-z9vmgdzzq
Frostie basically calling Mordaunt dim and probably hinting she went shopping instead of negotiating with the EU.
Like he did such a good job, perhaps going shopping would be better.
https://www.ft.com/content/3c73cc55-149d-4a90-bb37-ca04e2d70151
Johnson is unlikely to make his party's task easier. Oblivious to the manifest character flaws that laid him low, he is nurturing a myth of betrayal. The failure of his successor would help sustain the deception
Quote from: armaghniac on July 14, 2022, 12:20:15 PM
Quote from: mouview on July 14, 2022, 11:56:00 AM
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tory-leadership-candidates-race-vote-election-latest-z9vmgdzzq
Frostie basically calling Mordaunt dim and probably hinting she went shopping instead of negotiating with the EU.
Like he did such a good job, perhaps going shopping would be better.
Exactly but good to see the Torys pulling the shíte out of each other.
Irrespective of who says what, who gets to lead the Torys will be decided by their donors and media mogul friends.
Johnson has the potential to end up like Trump
Looks like Sunak. Truss could start a world war so for me is the worst of all evils.They are all bonkers - that braverman is some piece of work but they all are. It's not good whoever gets it.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 14, 2022, 12:57:44 PM
Looks like Sunak. Truss could start a world war so for me is the worst of all evils.They are all bonkers - that braverman is some piece of work but they all are. It's not good whoever gets it.
Wouldn't rule out Mordaunt, seems very popular with grass-roots Tories in a way Sunak isn't. Sunak the best of a bad lot, would be pragmatic I think in realising he needs to deal with the EU / US at some stage.
Don't know much about her. Hard to ever remember such a rotten lot.
If Penny Mordaunt gets it it will be first time someone with initials PM is prime minister. Her name is also exact same length.
Pointless trivia aside, theyre all a crowd of cnuts 😎
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 14, 2022, 01:52:21 PM
Don't know much about her. Hard to ever remember such a rotten lot.
The DUP are just as rancid
I'm more used to them I guess :-[
The Tories are awful- there isn't one decent one in the race. The ERG are odious.
The hard Brexit is bleeding the UK. Something awful would need to happen for anything to change.
Sunak is the only good prospect for Ireland, as he knows he needs good trading relationships with EU, and privately would like to get shut of the North, as he sees everything in monetary terms and that spells trouble for DUP. The rest look dangerous. Liz O'Leary as a remainer would normally be fine but she is trying to be more Brexiter than the Brexiters themselves and will be eager to get her DUP bill passed and give Jeremy his "victory." Penny they say is itching to do battle with EU, but she's been quiet on protocol. She's in the driving seat now. They certainly know how to drag out a leadership vote.
https://twitter.com/DoubleDownNews/status/1546801544321896448
This is very good. Peter Oborne on the Tories under Johnson
Saddo that I am I watched both Tory leadership debates over the weekend. Really illuminating as I had little knowledge of Tugendhat, Mordaunt and Kemi Badenoch beforehand, of those 3 Badenoch looks by far and away the most impressive individual, confident and clear, Mordaunt was fairly terrible both nights and how she is so popular is a bit of a mystery imo, Tugendhat performed pretty well both nights but you get the feeling he's the I've got nothing to lose candidate. Sunak has been the stand out performer imo, continually attacked by all but well fit for them, Truss was awful Friday night but significantly better last night but you can't get away from the fact that she's as wooden as Aunt Sally, but she would really fancy her chances if she gets to the last 2 but apparently Badenoch has her under pressure (interesting to hear that Gove is the mastermind behind Badenoch). Tugendhat will surely bow out today and likely swing behind Sunakor Mordaunt, it will be interesting to see if Truss loses any support to Badenoch. Mordaunt could likely drop votes if MPs actually watched the debates.
My overall takeaway from the debates is we'll be hearing a lot more about Badenoch in the future, she'll get a big cabinet job from this minimum. I'm firmly in the anyone but Truss camp, she has a bandwagon of idiots attached to her, the sooner JRM & Dorries leave cabinet the better.
They are all horrendous. Truss is very dangerous though - she has made noises wrt Russia and it is very worrying that if she is in then that situation would worry me. Although like someone says she can't do anything unilaterally but in reality she is a complete balloon who tells almost, but no one does, as many lies as Johnson.
I would probably prefer Sunak as he's the lesser evil but tbh they are all pretty much evil just varying degrees.
No more leadership debates, Sunak & Truss withdraw. Not surprising, the public airing of dirty laundry can't be a good look.
For a moment I thought you meant they had withdrawn from the leadership contest, not just the final debate. Whoever comes out of it, hopefully they can shift back towards the center and leave the ERG behind.
Interesting you say Sunak clearly the most impressive as he gets a lot of bad press. Never ceases to amaze me that many people would prefer someone thick, so long as they aren't "rich" versus someone who is competent and "rich". Same way I'm amazed when people give out about the salaries of MPs or heads of public sector departments etc. Drop in the ocean ultimately and you want the best people doing these jobs. Now I'm sure there are lots of "jobs for the boys" type thing, but would much prefer to see higher salaries and real accountability.
Quote from: bennydorano on July 18, 2022, 11:42:27 AM
No more leadership debates, Sunak & Truss withdraw. Not surprising, the public airing of dirty laundry can't be a good look.
Quite like that one Kay Burley on Sky, takes no shít from them so no reason they pulled out as she'd make dicks out of them.
It really doesn't matter though and I never saw the point in the debates.
The reckoning is it is damaging the Tory party. I fail to see how you could damage it any more. Yet they, and Boris, are still in government >:(
Sunak may get to the last 2, likely against Truss. Then it goes to the party members country wide. Don't rule out the 'fear' of having a non-white leader. He is the most capable of them but ye just never know....
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 18, 2022, 02:15:59 PM
Sunak may get to the last 2, likely against Truss. Then it goes to the party members country wide. Don't rule out the 'fear' of having a non-white leader. He is the most capable of them but ye just never know....
I'd second that, the old biddies and the Trevors in the Shires will find it hard to vote for "that Indian fella" than a white woman..
Truss comes across as abjectly useless, whereas Sunak is an out and out Osbourne 2.0, austerity man, to be feared, but at least you know what you get with him.
Mourdant, and that Kemi one are ideologues and hard right wing at that. From Working Class backgrounds my arse.
Tougenhat was in the Army if you didn't know, a bit of a non-entity
I think Truss is absolutely useless and is a big danger to all of us however I also think she will get it.
Funny, I don't think racism will have any part to play in this, if there were two Sunak type candidates and one was wealthy and the other was working class I would 100% say the WC person would have no chance. Tories are more interested in the colour of your money than the colour of your skin.
Just my opinion i dont see any of them calling an early election they would rather say they were prime minister for two years than risk being a few months prime minister
Quote from: johnnycool on July 18, 2022, 02:39:29 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 18, 2022, 02:15:59 PM
Sunak may get to the last 2, likely against Truss. Then it goes to the party members country wide. Don't rule out the 'fear' of having a non-white leader. He is the most capable of them but ye just never know....
I'd second that, the old biddies and the Trevors in the Shires will find it hard to vote for "that Indian fella" than a white woman..
Truss comes across as abjectly useless, whereas Sunak is an out and out Osbourne 2.0, austerity man, to be feared, but at least you know what you get with him.
Mourdant, and that Kemi one are ideologues and hard right wing at that. From Working Class backgrounds my arse.
Tougenhat was in the Army if you didn't know, a bit of a non-entity
i would say that would be more of a problem when it comes to the general election as working class tories might have a problem with sunaks skin but id say their would be come in tory membership too
If Labour have anything about them they should be clipping up abd sharing the Tory potential leaders ripping into their own party policy and track record.
There is a very odd balancing act the would be leaders are undertaking as they try to distance themselves from Boris without shittin all over him and annoying all the big donors.
Why do people here have a desire to have a 'good' Tory leader, one who is perceived as being not as bad as others in the race?
I think Truss would be perfect, the sh'ittier the better.
It'll start getting interesting today, Badenoch next for the chop unless there's a major surprise, she seems to be a bit of a right wing media darling but aiming for the same voter base as Truss. The trouble for Truss is if Badenoch bows out today there's zero guarantee she'll endorse Truss, as Badenoch is supposedly under the patronage of Gove she could endorse Sunak for the promise of a big job (altho Truss would no doubt offer her the same), Gove isn't a fan of the Boris continuity candidate Truss.
Quote from: Main Street on July 19, 2022, 01:55:42 AM
Why do people here have a desire to have a 'good' Tory leader, one who is perceived as being not as bad as others in the race?
I think Truss would be perfect, the sh'ittier the better.
A bad leader is more likely to try and take a dump on Ireland to distract from their failures.
Some of us have to live under the pricks for a while yet unfortunately although them and the DUP are doing a good job of furthering the cause of a united Ireland. Truss could cause a world war if she had her way - that's the level we're at here - so while scraping the bottom of the barrel is beneficial for the north just not too far down the barrel for the sake of the world...
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on July 18, 2022, 08:35:49 PM
If Labour have anything about them they should be clipping up abd sharing the Tory potential leaders ripping into their own party policy and track record.
There is a very odd balancing act the would be leaders are undertaking as they try to distance themselves from Boris without shittin all over him and annoying all the big donors.
Starmer cut both boris and the Tory party a new one, but you won't see it on the evening news!
https://twitter.com/i/status/1549073175216295938 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1549073175216295938)
Quote from: johnnycool on July 19, 2022, 11:29:32 AM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on July 18, 2022, 08:35:49 PM
If Labour have anything about them they should be clipping up abd sharing the Tory potential leaders ripping into their own party policy and track record.
There is a very odd balancing act the would be leaders are undertaking as they try to distance themselves from Boris without shittin all over him and annoying all the big donors.
Starmer cut both boris and the Tory party a new one, but you won't see it on the evening news!
https://twitter.com/i/status/1549073175216295938 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1549073175216295938)
Far from it, instantly forgettable standard patter in cartel HQ
As expected Badenoch bows out, down to the last 3, Mordaunt picks up 11 but it looks like Truss is on the rise unfortunately and she can expect to take a lot of Badenoch's votes in the next round.
According to Sky news a You gov poll of Conservative voting members Sunak faces a big task to beat either Truss or Mordaunt in the members vote.
I suspect it will be Truss.
There's stuff going on today too. So 12 abstained in the vote of no confidence on the government yesterday. Today Johnson took the whip off one of them - a boy Tobias Elwood. My understanding is that would mean no vote... The reckoning is he's doing that to push Truss through.
I think the powers that be have decreed it's Truss. I hope I am wrong.
Who would the DUP favour out if these 3 so I know to favour the other 2?
Whoever is the biggest ******** so that would be Truss.
Is this doll Morduant a bit of an unknown quantity?
Truss now the bookies favourite. She is a mental bitch but ultimately she will unintentionally speed up the arrival of a border poll.
Quote from: GJL on July 19, 2022, 11:37:19 PM
Truss now the bookies favourite. She is a mental bitch but ultimately she will unintentionally speed up the arrival of a border poll.
She'll do as she's told by the press barons who run the UK.
The Bojo show brings down the curtain on his PM questions by finishing as he started, by spewing out lie after lie after lie.
Can't wait for his honours lists, that'll be some lark, the DUP being loyal to the end, wee Jeffrey must be hoping for his peerage for services to a United Ireland.
Quote from: GJL on July 19, 2022, 11:37:19 PM
Truss now the bookies favourite. She is a mental bitch but ultimately she will unintentionally speed up the arrival of a border poll.
Truss is the one i least wanted to see get in.
If you live in the north, this is as bad as it gets.
Quote from: God14 on July 20, 2022, 02:06:34 PM
Quote from: GJL on July 19, 2022, 11:37:19 PM
Truss now the bookies favourite. She is a mental bitch but ultimately she will unintentionally speed up the arrival of a border poll.
Truss is the one i least wanted to see get in.
If you live in the north, this is as bad as it gets.
I've lived in the north for 50 years, it's never been better for a Nationalist ... better education better jobs better equality higher standard of living better housing.. I grew up in the 70's poorer housing/equality/jobs/education and we were being systematically set upon by murdering hit squads when walking home at night, when/eventually a United Ireland comes along the south will have a job on their hands to improve the education/jobs/housing/benefits of those prod estate areas.
She is a disaster. The only hope if she gets in is that she's as big a disaster as Poots was in the DUP and she is outed as instantaneously as they can.
There'll be no worries about international laws, breaking treaties etc etc with her. No morals, no scruples and tbh as hard as this is to believe she is probably less competent than Johnson. No shame about telling lies straight to your face then getting fact checked and just shrugging it off. An odious individual. Her thoughts on Russia too are not good. She barely knows where Ukraine is but is prepared to wade in. My bigger fear than here is she could kick off a world war.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 20, 2022, 02:14:14 PM
Quote from: God14 on July 20, 2022, 02:06:34 PM
Quote from: GJL on July 19, 2022, 11:37:19 PM
Truss now the bookies favourite. She is a mental bitch but ultimately she will unintentionally speed up the arrival of a border poll.
Truss is the one i least wanted to see get in.
If you live in the north, this is as bad as it gets.
I've lived in the north for 50 years, it's never been better for a Nationalist ... better education better jobs better equality higher standard of living better housing.. I grew up in the 70's poorer housing/equality/jobs/education and we were being systematically set upon by murdering hit squads when walking home at night, when/eventually a United Ireland comes along the south will have a job on their hands to improve the education/jobs/housing/benefits of those prod estate areas.
why is that tho? i dont see how its relative
We are better off now, thanks to EU human rights, Mass media coverage shaming the Brit Govt, US pressure on UK Govts, EU membership funding projects, & a GFA negotiated by ourselves
We are better off now & have better housing because your average mum now works 37 hrs a week, whereas in the 70's she stayed at home in the council house.
Surely everyone in developed countries is entitled to an education?
it's never been better for a Nationalist - but hardly relevant to any UK Govt or PM
Quote from: God14 on July 20, 2022, 03:13:10 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 20, 2022, 02:14:14 PM
Quote from: God14 on July 20, 2022, 02:06:34 PM
Quote from: GJL on July 19, 2022, 11:37:19 PM
Truss now the bookies favourite. She is a mental bitch but ultimately she will unintentionally speed up the arrival of a border poll.
Truss is the one i least wanted to see get in.
If you live in the north, this is as bad as it gets.
I've lived in the north for 50 years, it's never been better for a Nationalist ... better education better jobs better equality higher standard of living better housing.. I grew up in the 70's poorer housing/equality/jobs/education and we were being systematically set upon by murdering hit squads when walking home at night, when/eventually a United Ireland comes along the south will have a job on their hands to improve the education/jobs/housing/benefits of those prod estate areas.
why is that tho? i dont see how its relative
We are better off now, thanks to EU human rights, Mass media coverage shaming the Brit Govt, US pressure on UK Govts, EU membership funding projects, & a GFA negotiated by ourselves
We are better off now & have better housing because your average mum now works 37 hrs a week, whereas in the 70's she stayed at home in the council house.
Surely everyone in developed countries is entitled to an education?
it's never been better for a Nationalist - but hardly relevant to any UK Govt or PM
and our unionist overlords were dragged kicking and screaming to allow any sort of parity for us in those fields.
Quote from: God14 on July 20, 2022, 02:06:34 PM
Quote from: GJL on July 19, 2022, 11:37:19 PM
Truss now the bookies favourite. She is a mental bitch but ultimately she will unintentionally speed up the arrival of a border poll.
Truss is the one i least wanted to see get in.
If you live in the north, this is as bad as it gets.
She is using the ERG vote to become PM. I don't believe she totally shares their views but it's all a means to an end. If PM I'd expect her to be pragmatic and more liberal than comes across now, she was a remainer after all. However despite who wins a general election can't come quick enough.
Quote from: Gael80 on July 20, 2022, 03:20:52 PM
Quote from: God14 on July 20, 2022, 02:06:34 PM
Quote from: GJL on July 19, 2022, 11:37:19 PM
Truss now the bookies favourite. She is a mental bitch but ultimately she will unintentionally speed up the arrival of a border poll.
Truss is the one i least wanted to see get in.
If you live in the north, this is as bad as it gets.
She is using the ERG vote to become PM. I don't believe she totally shares their views but it's all a means to an end. If PM I'd expect her to be pragmatic and more liberal than comes across now, she was a remainer after all. However despite who wins a general election can't come quick enough.
Will a General Election make any sort of difference though?
Wee Johnny englander will vote for whoever the red tops tell him to vote for
I finally think these ones have gone too far.
(I usually however think that about the DUP and have been wrong...)
Quote from: Gael80 on July 20, 2022, 03:20:52 PM
Quote from: God14 on July 20, 2022, 02:06:34 PM
Quote from: GJL on July 19, 2022, 11:37:19 PM
Truss now the bookies favourite. She is a mental bitch but ultimately she will unintentionally speed up the arrival of a border poll.
Truss is the one i least wanted to see get in.
If you live in the north, this is as bad as it gets.
She is using the ERG vote to become PM. I don't believe she totally shares their views but it's all a means to an end. If PM I'd expect her to be pragmatic and more liberal than comes across now, she was a remainer after all. However whoever wins a general election can't come quick enough.
She's an empty vessel. Someone behind the scenes is pulling her strings and it's Murdock empire allegedly and I'm not talking about the builders merchants.
Quote from: God14 on July 20, 2022, 03:13:10 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 20, 2022, 02:14:14 PM
Quote from: God14 on July 20, 2022, 02:06:34 PM
Quote from: GJL on July 19, 2022, 11:37:19 PM
Truss now the bookies favourite. She is a mental bitch but ultimately she will unintentionally speed up the arrival of a border poll.
Truss is the one i least wanted to see get in.
If you live in the north, this is as bad as it gets.
I've lived in the north for 50 years, it's never been better for a Nationalist ... better education better jobs better equality higher standard of living better housing.. I grew up in the 70's poorer housing/equality/jobs/education and we were being systematically set upon by murdering hit squads when walking home at night, when/eventually a United Ireland comes along the south will have a job on their hands to improve the education/jobs/housing/benefits of those prod estate areas.
why is that tho? i dont see how its relative
We are better off now, thanks to EU human rights, Mass media coverage shaming the Brit Govt, US pressure on UK Govts, EU membership funding projects, & a GFA negotiated by ourselves
We are better off now & have better housing because your average mum now works 37 hrs a week, whereas in the 70's she stayed at home in the council house.
Surely everyone in developed countries is entitled to an education?
it's never been better for a Nationalist - but hardly relevant to any UK Govt or PM
You said if you live in the north it's as bad as it gets... I said it's never been better... how we got there is irrelevant to your post
Quote from: Taylor on July 20, 2022, 03:29:50 PM
Quote from: Gael80 on July 20, 2022, 03:20:52 PM
Quote from: God14 on July 20, 2022, 02:06:34 PM
Quote from: GJL on July 19, 2022, 11:37:19 PM
Truss now the bookies favourite. She is a mental bitch but ultimately she will unintentionally speed up the arrival of a border poll.
Truss is the one i least wanted to see get in.
If you live in the north, this is as bad as it gets.
She is using the ERG vote to become PM. I don't believe she totally shares their views but it's all a means to an end. If PM I'd expect her to be pragmatic and more liberal than comes across now, she was a remainer after all. However despite who wins a general election can't come quick enough.
Will a General Election make any sort of difference though?
Wee Johnny englander will vote for whoever the red tops tell him to vote for
It takes more than that pool of voters to win an overall majority. Too many people are struggling and too many media organisations have been threatened by the Tories for them to win an overall majority.
It might take a coalition initially but the Tories are finished for a generation, they caused too much damage this time to recover.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 20, 2022, 03:39:09 PM
Quote from: God14 on July 20, 2022, 03:13:10 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 20, 2022, 02:14:14 PM
Quote from: God14 on July 20, 2022, 02:06:34 PM
Quote from: GJL on July 19, 2022, 11:37:19 PM
Truss now the bookies favourite. She is a mental bitch but ultimately she will unintentionally speed up the arrival of a border poll.
Truss is the one i least wanted to see get in.
If you live in the north, this is as bad as it gets.
I've lived in the north for 50 years, it's never been better for a Nationalist ... better education better jobs better equality higher standard of living better housing.. I grew up in the 70's poorer housing/equality/jobs/education and we were being systematically set upon by murdering hit squads when walking home at night, when/eventually a United Ireland comes along the south will have a job on their hands to improve the education/jobs/housing/benefits of those prod estate areas.
why is that tho? i dont see how its relative
We are better off now, thanks to EU human rights, Mass media coverage shaming the Brit Govt, US pressure on UK Govts, EU membership funding projects, & a GFA negotiated by ourselves
We are better off now & have better housing because your average mum now works 37 hrs a week, whereas in the 70's she stayed at home in the council house.
Surely everyone in developed countries is entitled to an education?
it's never been better for a Nationalist - but hardly relevant to any UK Govt or PM
You said if you live in the north it's as bad as it gets... I said it's never been better... how we got there is irrelevant to your post
It has been better.
There used to be grants to go to university which made a decent stab at covering your accommodation costs and was means tested, giving kids from a working class background a decent crack at getting on, now gone and replaced by loans.
I remember GP home visits, let alone not getting to see a GP for two weeks now if you're lucky.
I remember going into the casualty in the City hospital to get a few stitches and being out within an hour.
As an asthmatic I remember getting to see a consultant in the Ulster a few weeks after being referred by my GP, you'll not get that now.
We don't need to accept this shit as the new normal.
Quote from: Gael80 on July 20, 2022, 03:50:47 PM
Quote from: Taylor on July 20, 2022, 03:29:50 PM
Quote from: Gael80 on July 20, 2022, 03:20:52 PM
Quote from: God14 on July 20, 2022, 02:06:34 PM
Quote from: GJL on July 19, 2022, 11:37:19 PM
Truss now the bookies favourite. She is a mental bitch but ultimately she will unintentionally speed up the arrival of a border poll.
Truss is the one i least wanted to see get in.
If you live in the north, this is as bad as it gets.
She is using the ERG vote to become PM. I don't believe she totally shares their views but it's all a means to an end. If PM I'd expect her to be pragmatic and more liberal than comes across now, she was a remainer after all. However despite who wins a general election can't come quick enough.
Will a General Election make any sort of difference though?
Wee Johnny englander will vote for whoever the red tops tell him to vote for
It takes more than that pool of voters to win an overall majority. Too many people are struggling and too many media organisations have been threatened by the Tories for them to win an overall majority.
It might take a coalition initially but the Tories are finished for a generation, they caused too much damage this time to recover.
I wouldn't go as far as saying finished for a generation. It might be Labours turn next in the political cycle, but the Tories have a massive voter base. None of us will ever get inside their heads - they want Brexit no matter the price, love the Royals, love a good row with the French, etc. The majority are instinctive Tory voters.
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Quote from: Gael80 on July 20, 2022, 03:50:47 PM
Quote from: Taylor on July 20, 2022, 03:29:50 PM
Quote from: Gael80 on July 20, 2022, 03:20:52 PM
Quote from: God14 on July 20, 2022, 02:06:34 PM
Quote from: GJL on July 19, 2022, 11:37:19 PM
Truss now the bookies favourite. She is a mental bitch but ultimately she will unintentionally speed up the arrival of a border poll.
Truss is the one i least wanted to see get in.
If you live in the north, this is as bad as it gets.
She is using the ERG vote to become PM. I don't believe she totally shares their views but it's all a means to an end. If PM I'd expect her to be pragmatic and more liberal than comes across now, she was a remainer after all. However despite who wins a general election can't come quick enough.
Will a General Election make any sort of difference though?
Wee Johnny englander will vote for whoever the red tops tell him to vote for
It takes more than that pool of voters to win an overall majority. Too many people are struggling and too many media organisations have been threatened by the Tories for them to win an overall majority.
It might take a coalition initially but the Tories are finished for a generation, they caused too much damage this time to recover.
I wouldn't go as far as saying finished for a generation. It might be Labours turn next in the political cycle, but the Tories have a massive voter base. None of us will ever get inside their heads - they want Brexit no matter the price, love the Royals, love a good row with the French, etc. The majority are instinctive Tory voters.
True but a new government usually gets two or three terms. I don't think the Tories can win an overall majority at the next GE so whatever comes next will likely be led by Labour who'll get time to implement their ideas.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 20, 2022, 02:14:14 PM
Quote from: God14 on July 20, 2022, 02:06:34 PM
Quote from: GJL on July 19, 2022, 11:37:19 PM
Truss now the bookies favourite. She is a mental bitch but ultimately she will unintentionally speed up the arrival of a border poll.
Truss is the one i least wanted to see get in.
If you live in the north, this is as bad as it gets.
I've lived in the north for 50 years, it's never been better for a Nationalist ... better education better jobs better equality higher standard of living better housing.. I grew up in the 70's poorer housing/equality/jobs/education and we were being systematically set upon by murdering hit squads when walking home at night, when/eventually a United Ireland comes along the south will have a job on their hands to improve the education/jobs/housing/benefits of those prod estate areas.
why is that tho? i dont see how its relative
We are better off now, thanks to EU human rights, Mass media coverage shaming the Brit Govt, US pressure on UK Govts, EU membership funding projects, & a GFA negotiated by ourselves
We are better off now & have better housing because your average mum now works 37 hrs a week, whereas in the 70's she stayed at home in the council house.
Surely everyone in developed countries is entitled to an education?
it's never been better for a Nationalist - but hardly relevant to any UK Govt or PM
You said if you live in the north it's as bad as it gets... I said it's never been better... how we got there is irrelevant to your post
It has been better.
There used to be grants to go to university which made a decent stab at covering your accommodation costs and was means tested, giving kids from a working class background a decent crack at getting on, now gone and replaced by loans.
I remember GP home visits, let alone not getting to see a GP for two weeks now if you're lucky.
I remember going into the casualty in the City hospital to get a few stitches and being out within an hour.
As an asthmatic I remember getting to see a consultant in the Ulster a few weeks after being referred by my GP, you'll not get that now.
We don't need to accept this shit as the new normal.
GP's still do home visits, I work in a doctors surgery, not as much as before as getting doctors to become gps is impossible due to the workload, but that service never went away...
I phoned up one morning to gp surgery during the pandemic explaining my symptoms and they seen me that afternoon
Personally id love grants for college but if it's means tested I wouldn't get it, the loans have replaced it and they don't start paying it back till they earn a certain amount, I've a better life than before which has enabled me to pay for some of their expenses but they'll pay the loan back.
Life is infinitely better than before, maybes living out in the sticks life probably didn't seem too bad or change that much, but I'm in a better position than before (as he's sipping a cocktail in five star hotel in Malaga)
Getting all the things you want means paying more tax, are you willing to pay into that?
So Rishi or Liz... buckle up!!!
Seems like there's no love lost there and it could be a bumpy ride over the next month!!
Quote from: screenexile on July 20, 2022, 04:13:58 PM
So Rishi or Liz... buckle up!!!
Seems like there's no love lost there and it could be a bumpy ride over the next month!!
Truss will sail home. That's the way it is.
Think Truss could lose the next GE, the red wall will despise her and despite Rishi vast wealth and mad for austerity at least he comes across as clever and articulate.
She is hugely incompetent and deceitful. The EU won't be happy about this. There's pretty much no point in negotiations as she is liable to renege at any point to anything that she previously agreed. Though that isn't much different to negotiating with Johnson. If anyone thought Brexit is a shitshow you may buckle up because it's about to become an even bigger one.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 20, 2022, 04:30:39 PM
She is hugely incompetent and deceitful. The EU won't be happy about this. There's pretty much no point in negotiations as she is liable to renege at any point to anything that she previously agreed. Though that isn't much different to negotiating with Johnson. If anyone thought Brexit is a shitshow you may buckle up because it's about to become an even bigger one.
Is that not a good thing? Short term crazy long term Scotland might grow some balls and leave forcing a collapsing of the union? Maybe this is the actual end game for the Tories
Realistically that kind of thing is not going to shake out for quite a few years. Have to worry about the interim too.
It could be the end game were it not for the fact they're ruining themselves too.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 20, 2022, 04:47:05 PM
Realistically that kind of thing is not going to shake out for quite a few years. Have to worry about the interim too.
It could be the end game were it not for the fact they're ruining themselves too.
England on its own will be a lot stronger I'd imagine? Though no doubt someone will say otherwise.. the tories would never lose a government if it was..
I've never thought that Sunak would get the Prime Minister job and I still don't. Truss is an horrendous candidate though at least with Boris it was a bit of a clown show at times. To think that individuals like Johnson and Truss can rise to the top of UK politics just encapsulates the sorry mess they have found themselves in as a country post Brexit. Increasingly solated and sinking into mediocrity. She will just further polarise an already divided society. My guess is that she is being set up by the ERG/Brexit wing of the party as a scapegoat when the next election goes belly up for the Tories.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on July 20, 2022, 04:47:05 PM
Realistically that kind of thing is not going to shake out for quite a few years. Have to worry about the interim too.
It could be the end game were it not for the fact they're ruining themselves too.
England on its own will be a lot stronger I'd imagine? Though no doubt someone will say otherwise.. the tories would never lose a government if it was..
Stronger than what? England is in a bad place in most places these day. There's an irony there - that's how they got to brexit which will make it worse.
Honestly think bad times are coming come winter. The tories have privatised everything and now it's all about profits and poorer people will be able to afford nothing and people doing well enough for themselves may struggle too. That and they are taking so much money out of the economy for their cronies it is crippling it.
If the dup have their way the ni protocol will spell big problems for here too.
Truss must be just a front person. She's an imbecile.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 20, 2022, 06:11:51 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 20, 2022, 04:52:38 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 20, 2022, 04:47:05 PM
Realistically that kind of thing is not going to shake out for quite a few years. Have to worry about the interim too.
It could be the end game were it not for the fact they're ruining themselves too.
England on its own will be a lot stronger I'd imagine? Though no doubt someone will say otherwise.. the tories would never lose a government if it was..
Stronger than what? England is in a bad place in most places these day. There's an irony there - that's how they got to brexit which will make it worse.
Honestly think bad times are coming come winter. The tories have privatised everything and now it's all about profits and poorer people will be able to afford nothing and people doing well enough for themselves may struggle too. That and they are taking so much money out of the economy for their cronies it is crippling it.
If the dup have their way the ni protocol will spell big problems for here too.
Truss must be just a front person. She's an imbecile.
We have been spared the worst of it and the northern economy is doing ok at the minute relatively speaking. There are cities in the north of England in which 20% plus of the population are relying on foodbanks. Many people are in dire straits and the culture wars can only last so long before people realise they are getting screwed over by elites.
As for the DUP, they want more of that type of pain for the people here at whatever the cost to the economy or peoples livelihoods. They have lost the middle ground and will just sink further into the abyss as rational people will see them for what they have now become. Puppets to hard loyalism.
honestly dont trust english to vote tories back in again they will fall for the culture war stuff,
what comes after truss or sunak maybe even worse perhaps johnson comes back or a far right candidate like bravermann or banedoch
Boris is proof that you can be anything you want to be. This man rose to the highest office in the British establishment. A bullshitter with no morals. Who knows how many children he has. He promoted or tried to promote everyone who gave in a blow job. It is quite amazing really. A-Level politics papers would be worth reading :o
I look forward to reading the fat ****'s obituary.
It'll be a poisoned chalice for whoever wins. Brexit has shrunk their economy, inflation is beyond their control, Russia are in it for the long haul, UK debt can't be ignored, etc. They can spoof away and hug their blue passports, but they're going to get battered. It's a pity in a strange way that Johnson, Rees Mogg and the rest aren't still around to own their own mess.
Quote from: trailer on July 21, 2022, 11:11:17 AM
Boris is proof that you can be anything you want to be if you're from a privileged background. This man rose to the highest office in the British establishment. A bullshitter with no morals. Who knows how many children he has. He promoted or tried to promote everyone who gave in a blow job. It is quite amazing really. A-Level politics papers would be worth reading :o
I look forward to reading the fat ****'s obituary.
Fixed that for you
Quote from: Sportacus on July 21, 2022, 11:54:25 AM
It'll be a poisoned chalice for whoever wins. Brexit has shrunk their economy, inflation is beyond their control, Russia are in it for the long haul, UK debt can't be ignored, etc. They can spoof away and hug their blue passports, but they're going to get battered. It's a pity in a strange way that Johnson, Rees Mogg and the rest aren't still around to own their own mess.
They are in dire straits and some know it, Sunak knows it, Truss is an eggshell of a person, but ego takes over when taking up these roles and knowing that the hardships the country is about to face won't materially impact upon them.
Shower of cúnts.
It's like all those own your own home by the age of 25 articles you see. Don't go to starbucks, drink less, don't go to the cinema and the minor point of use the hundreds of k your rich parents gave you and you too can do it ;D
Truss is useless. This isn't going to be good. Sunak is useless too but less dangerous.
Quote from: trailer on July 21, 2022, 11:11:17 AM
Boris is proof that you can be anything you want to be. This man rose to the highest office in the British establishment. A bullshitter with no morals. Who knows how many children he has. He promoted or tried to promote everyone who gave in a blow job. It is quite amazing really. A-Level politics papers would be worth reading :o
I look forward to reading the fat ****'s obituary.
Not a fan?
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 21, 2022, 11:57:47 AM
It's like all those own your own home by the age of 25 articles you see. Don't go to starbucks, drink less, don't go to the cinema and the minor point of use the hundreds of k your rich parents gave you and you too can do it ;D
Truss is useless. This isn't going to be good. Sunak is useless too but less dangerous.
So out of touch that they think cutting the tax rate will help people in poverty without understanding that a lot of people in poverty don't earn enough to actually pay tax in the first place.
So out of touch they cut the VAT on solar panels to help with the energy crisis as you all know the poorest in society have a few K floating about to put to these solar panels whilst going to food banks.
Are they out of touch or do they just not give a f**k though?
Truss will be continuity Boris without the partying and 'charm', unfortunately for the UK the cabinet will still be full of idiots like JRM & Dorries. Sullerman is another, she is obviously an intelligent person as the highest legal brain in Government, but she comes across as such a right wing dunderhead it's cringeworthy. Truss will pick further fights with the EU, will be tougher on the NIP than Bojo ever planned to be, will further aggravate Russia and quite possibly escalate the Ukrainian situation with boneheaded bravado. She will be a gift for Labour tho. I really hope Sunak wins, I genuinely fear what Truss could do.
I feel exactly the same Benny. It's not even just the protocol here - it's world terms.
Will Boris hand over his seat or stay on? Not too many did I think? Major?
Quote from: bennydorano on July 21, 2022, 12:05:42 PM
Truss will be continuity Boris without the partying and 'charm', unfortunately for the UK the cabinet will still be full of idiots like JRM & Dorries. Sullerman is another, she is obviously an intelligent person as the highest legal brain in Government, but she comes across as such a right wing dunderhead it's cringeworthy. Truss will pick further fights with the EU, will be tougher on the NIP than Bojo ever planned to be, will further aggravate Russia and quite possibly escalate the Ukrainian situation with boneheaded bravado. She will be a gift for Labour tho. I really hope Sunak wins, I genuinely fear what Truss could do.
Does being a lying bástard now equate to "Charm and Charisma"?
Quote from: bennydorano on July 21, 2022, 12:05:42 PM
Truss will be continuity Boris without the partying and 'charm', unfortunately for the UK the cabinet will still be full of idiots like JRM & Dorries. Sullerman is another, she is obviously an intelligent person as the highest legal brain in Government, but she comes across as such a right wing dunderhead it's cringeworthy. Truss will pick further fights with the EU, will be tougher on the NIP than Bojo ever planned to be, will further aggravate Russia and quite possibly escalate the Ukrainian situation with boneheaded bravado. She will be a gift for Labour tho. I really hope Sunak wins, I genuinely fear what Truss could do.
Like someone said "it is like seeing a menu of diseases and having your Da pick one for you."
Whatever about Truss at least she's for cutting taxes. Sunak wants to put them up! He'd be an economic disaster. I think it will be Truss, difficult to see the Tory body politic elect an Indian.
Quote from: trailer on July 21, 2022, 02:43:27 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 21, 2022, 12:05:42 PM
Truss will be continuity Boris without the partying and 'charm', unfortunately for the UK the cabinet will still be full of idiots like JRM & Dorries. Sullerman is another, she is obviously an intelligent person as the highest legal brain in Government, but she comes across as such a right wing dunderhead it's cringeworthy. Truss will pick further fights with the EU, will be tougher on the NIP than Bojo ever planned to be, will further aggravate Russia and quite possibly escalate the Ukrainian situation with boneheaded bravado. She will be a gift for Labour tho. I really hope Sunak wins, I genuinely fear what Truss could do.
Like someone said "it is like seeing a menu of diseases and having your Da pick one for you."
Whatever about Truss at least she's for cutting taxes. Sunak wants to put them up! He'd be an economic disaster. I think it will be Truss, difficult to see the Tory body politic elect an Indian.
I dont know what you're reading about Sunak putting taxes up?? Guido or some right wing nonsense thats backing Truss? Sunak clearly stated in the leadership debates he'll delay cutting taxes until inflation is under control, no tax rises. Cutting taxes in the current environment is also likely to fuel inflation, so a tax cut could be a long term false economy.
Why would Sunak be an Economic disaster? That's a really interesting take on it?? I'd take Sunak any day of the week.
Quote from: bennydorano on July 21, 2022, 02:56:33 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 21, 2022, 02:43:27 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 21, 2022, 12:05:42 PM
Truss will be continuity Boris without the partying and 'charm', unfortunately for the UK the cabinet will still be full of idiots like JRM & Dorries. Sullerman is another, she is obviously an intelligent person as the highest legal brain in Government, but she comes across as such a right wing dunderhead it's cringeworthy. Truss will pick further fights with the EU, will be tougher on the NIP than Bojo ever planned to be, will further aggravate Russia and quite possibly escalate the Ukrainian situation with boneheaded bravado. She will be a gift for Labour tho. I really hope Sunak wins, I genuinely fear what Truss could do.
Like someone said "it is like seeing a menu of diseases and having your Da pick one for you."
Whatever about Truss at least she's for cutting taxes. Sunak wants to put them up! He'd be an economic disaster. I think it will be Truss, difficult to see the Tory body politic elect an Indian.
I dont know what you're reading about Sunak putting taxes up?? Guido or some right wing nonsense thats backing Truss? Sunak clearly stated in the leadership debates he'll delay cutting taxes until inflation is under control, no tax rises. Cutting taxes in the current environment is also likely to fuel inflation, so a tax cut could be a long term false economy.
Why would Sunak be an Economic disaster? That's a really interesting take on it?? I'd take Sunak any day of the week.
He consistently said that things need to be paid for. He has already introduced tax hikes as chancellor. I don't believe he will invest in public services. I would see him as a return to austerity.
Now this in no way means I am a Liz Truss cheerleader who I think will be pretty terrible on the world stage. But I would like to see tax cuts. Corporation Tax and income tax being the two main ones.
6 Cos residents in favour of Brit Government cutting taxes?!?!
Good night Irene....
Quote from: Rossfan on July 21, 2022, 03:04:42 PM
6 Cos residents in favour of Brit Government cutting taxes?!?!
Good night Irene....
If you had my tax bill you would too.
Sunak would be an economic disaster. Truss would be an economic disaster plus we might get a few nukes thrown in for good measure. Truss saying she will reduce taxes and Truss actually reducing taxes are two very different things. Not one of these people is to be trusted. What they say and what they do are usually two very different things.
Quote from: trailer on July 21, 2022, 03:05:48 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 21, 2022, 03:04:42 PM
6 Cos residents in favour of Brit Government cutting taxes?!?!
Good night Irene....
If you had my tax bill you would too.
+1 the robbing Cnuts
Quote from: trailer on July 21, 2022, 03:02:44 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 21, 2022, 02:56:33 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 21, 2022, 02:43:27 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 21, 2022, 12:05:42 PM
Truss will be continuity Boris without the partying and 'charm', unfortunately for the UK the cabinet will still be full of idiots like JRM & Dorries. Sullerman is another, she is obviously an intelligent person as the highest legal brain in Government, but she comes across as such a right wing dunderhead it's cringeworthy. Truss will pick further fights with the EU, will be tougher on the NIP than Bojo ever planned to be, will further aggravate Russia and quite possibly escalate the Ukrainian situation with boneheaded bravado. She will be a gift for Labour tho. I really hope Sunak wins, I genuinely fear what Truss could do.
Like someone said "it is like seeing a menu of diseases and having your Da pick one for you."
Whatever about Truss at least she's for cutting taxes. Sunak wants to put them up! He'd be an economic disaster. I think it will be Truss, difficult to see the Tory body politic elect an Indian.
I dont know what you're reading about Sunak putting taxes up?? Guido or some right wing nonsense thats backing Truss? Sunak clearly stated in the leadership debates he'll delay cutting taxes until inflation is under control, no tax rises. Cutting taxes in the current environment is also likely to fuel inflation, so a tax cut could be a long term false economy.
Why would Sunak be an Economic disaster? That's a really interesting take on it?? I'd take Sunak any day of the week.
He consistently said that things need to be paid for. He has already introduced tax hikes as chancellor. I don't believe he will invest in public services. I would see him as a return to austerity.
Now this in no way means I am a Liz Truss cheerleader who I think will be pretty terrible on the world stage. But I would like to see tax cuts. Corporation Tax and income tax being the two main ones.
You know he can't introduce tax hikes by himself? The NI rise was Bojo's solution to the Health Care crisis (in England). They were all signed off by BJ who loved splashing taxpayer cash - not his problem how it would be paid back.
I'll not refuse a tax cut myself but I read in the I paper today that the tax cuts that Truss is planning are likely to favour higher earners. "The key beneficiaries are those earning over £100,000 pa, someone earning £140,000 will be better off than someone on £20,000."
Quote from: bennydorano on July 21, 2022, 03:17:20 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 21, 2022, 03:02:44 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 21, 2022, 02:56:33 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 21, 2022, 02:43:27 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 21, 2022, 12:05:42 PM
Truss will be continuity Boris without the partying and 'charm', unfortunately for the UK the cabinet will still be full of idiots like JRM & Dorries. Sullerman is another, she is obviously an intelligent person as the highest legal brain in Government, but she comes across as such a right wing dunderhead it's cringeworthy. Truss will pick further fights with the EU, will be tougher on the NIP than Bojo ever planned to be, will further aggravate Russia and quite possibly escalate the Ukrainian situation with boneheaded bravado. She will be a gift for Labour tho. I really hope Sunak wins, I genuinely fear what Truss could do.
Like someone said "it is like seeing a menu of diseases and having your Da pick one for you."
Whatever about Truss at least she's for cutting taxes. Sunak wants to put them up! He'd be an economic disaster. I think it will be Truss, difficult to see the Tory body politic elect an Indian.
I dont know what you're reading about Sunak putting taxes up?? Guido or some right wing nonsense thats backing Truss? Sunak clearly stated in the leadership debates he'll delay cutting taxes until inflation is under control, no tax rises. Cutting taxes in the current environment is also likely to fuel inflation, so a tax cut could be a long term false economy.
Why would Sunak be an Economic disaster? That's a really interesting take on it?? I'd take Sunak any day of the week.
He consistently said that things need to be paid for. He has already introduced tax hikes as chancellor. I don't believe he will invest in public services. I would see him as a return to austerity.
Now this in no way means I am a Liz Truss cheerleader who I think will be pretty terrible on the world stage. But I would like to see tax cuts. Corporation Tax and income tax being the two main ones.
You know he can't introduce tax hikes by himself? The NI rise was Bojo's solution to the Health Care crisis (in England). They were all signed off by BJ who loved splashing taxpayer cash - not his problem how it would be paid back.
I'll not refuse a tax cut myself but I read in the I paper today that the tax cuts that Truss is planning are likely to favour higher earners. "The key beneficiaries are those earning over £100,000 pa, someone earning £140,000 will be better off than someone on £20,000."
Get people working and off benefits make jobs worthwhile with a decent pay structure otherwise why would you get up outta bed? Those that want to move here, straight into work, cut out the long red tape required to get them what they are looking for..
Plenty of jobs available just lazy bastards
Quote from: bennydorano on July 21, 2022, 03:17:20 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 21, 2022, 03:02:44 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 21, 2022, 02:56:33 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 21, 2022, 02:43:27 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 21, 2022, 12:05:42 PM
Truss will be continuity Boris without the partying and 'charm', unfortunately for the UK the cabinet will still be full of idiots like JRM & Dorries. Sullerman is another, she is obviously an intelligent person as the highest legal brain in Government, but she comes across as such a right wing dunderhead it's cringeworthy. Truss will pick further fights with the EU, will be tougher on the NIP than Bojo ever planned to be, will further aggravate Russia and quite possibly escalate the Ukrainian situation with boneheaded bravado. She will be a gift for Labour tho. I really hope Sunak wins, I genuinely fear what Truss could do.
Like someone said "it is like seeing a menu of diseases and having your Da pick one for you."
Whatever about Truss at least she's for cutting taxes. Sunak wants to put them up! He'd be an economic disaster. I think it will be Truss, difficult to see the Tory body politic elect an Indian.
I dont know what you're reading about Sunak putting taxes up?? Guido or some right wing nonsense thats backing Truss? Sunak clearly stated in the leadership debates he'll delay cutting taxes until inflation is under control, no tax rises. Cutting taxes in the current environment is also likely to fuel inflation, so a tax cut could be a long term false economy.
Why would Sunak be an Economic disaster? That's a really interesting take on it?? I'd take Sunak any day of the week.
He consistently said that things need to be paid for. He has already introduced tax hikes as chancellor. I don't believe he will invest in public services. I would see him as a return to austerity.
Now this in no way means I am a Liz Truss cheerleader who I think will be pretty terrible on the world stage. But I would like to see tax cuts. Corporation Tax and income tax being the two main ones.
You know he can't introduce tax hikes by himself? The NI rise was Bojo's solution to the Health Care crisis (in England). They were all signed off by BJ who loved splashing taxpayer cash - not his problem how it would be paid back.
I'll not refuse a tax cut myself but I read in the I paper today that the tax cuts that Truss is planning are likely to favour higher earners. "The key beneficiaries are those earning over £100,000 pa, someone earning £140,000 will be better off than someone on £20,000."
I'd want to see more detail on what Truss plans and look both of these are far from an ideal scenario.
Don't quite get that quote. Someone on 140k will of course be better off than someone on 20k.
Quote from: trailer on July 21, 2022, 03:23:46 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 21, 2022, 03:17:20 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 21, 2022, 03:02:44 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 21, 2022, 02:56:33 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 21, 2022, 02:43:27 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 21, 2022, 12:05:42 PM
Truss will be continuity Boris without the partying and 'charm', unfortunately for the UK the cabinet will still be full of idiots like JRM & Dorries. Sullerman is another, she is obviously an intelligent person as the highest legal brain in Government, but she comes across as such a right wing dunderhead it's cringeworthy. Truss will pick further fights with the EU, will be tougher on the NIP than Bojo ever planned to be, will further aggravate Russia and quite possibly escalate the Ukrainian situation with boneheaded bravado. She will be a gift for Labour tho. I really hope Sunak wins, I genuinely fear what Truss could do.
Like someone said "it is like seeing a menu of diseases and having your Da pick one for you."
Whatever about Truss at least she's for cutting taxes. Sunak wants to put them up! He'd be an economic disaster. I think it will be Truss, difficult to see the Tory body politic elect an Indian.
I dont know what you're reading about Sunak putting taxes up?? Guido or some right wing nonsense thats backing Truss? Sunak clearly stated in the leadership debates he'll delay cutting taxes until inflation is under control, no tax rises. Cutting taxes in the current environment is also likely to fuel inflation, so a tax cut could be a long term false economy.
Why would Sunak be an Economic disaster? That's a really interesting take on it?? I'd take Sunak any day of the week.
He consistently said that things need to be paid for. He has already introduced tax hikes as chancellor. I don't believe he will invest in public services. I would see him as a return to austerity.
Now this in no way means I am a Liz Truss cheerleader who I think will be pretty terrible on the world stage. But I would like to see tax cuts. Corporation Tax and income tax being the two main ones.
You know he can't introduce tax hikes by himself? The NI rise was Bojo's solution to the Health Care crisis (in England). They were all signed off by BJ who loved splashing taxpayer cash - not his problem how it would be paid back.
I'll not refuse a tax cut myself but I read in the I paper today that the tax cuts that Truss is planning are likely to favour higher earners. "The key beneficiaries are those earning over £100,000 pa, someone earning £140,000 will be better off than someone on £20,000."
I'd want to see more detail on what Truss plans and look both of these are far from an ideal scenario.
Don't quite get that quote. Someone on 140k will of course be better off than someone on 20k.
Someone earning 140 grand is paying more tax (and has done) but gets the same level of NHS service as someone on 20 grand, both shit but one paying more for the same shit! And the ones paying no tax get the same shit service but at least someone else is paying for it...
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 21, 2022, 03:23:02 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 21, 2022, 03:17:20 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 21, 2022, 03:02:44 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 21, 2022, 02:56:33 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 21, 2022, 02:43:27 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 21, 2022, 12:05:42 PM
Truss will be continuity Boris without the partying and 'charm', unfortunately for the UK the cabinet will still be full of idiots like JRM & Dorries. Sullerman is another, she is obviously an intelligent person as the highest legal brain in Government, but she comes across as such a right wing dunderhead it's cringeworthy. Truss will pick further fights with the EU, will be tougher on the NIP than Bojo ever planned to be, will further aggravate Russia and quite possibly escalate the Ukrainian situation with boneheaded bravado. She will be a gift for Labour tho. I really hope Sunak wins, I genuinely fear what Truss could do.
Like someone said "it is like seeing a menu of diseases and having your Da pick one for you."
Whatever about Truss at least she's for cutting taxes. Sunak wants to put them up! He'd be an economic disaster. I think it will be Truss, difficult to see the Tory body politic elect an Indian.
I dont know what you're reading about Sunak putting taxes up?? Guido or some right wing nonsense thats backing Truss? Sunak clearly stated in the leadership debates he'll delay cutting taxes until inflation is under control, no tax rises. Cutting taxes in the current environment is also likely to fuel inflation, so a tax cut could be a long term false economy.
Why would Sunak be an Economic disaster? That's a really interesting take on it?? I'd take Sunak any day of the week.
He consistently said that things need to be paid for. He has already introduced tax hikes as chancellor. I don't believe he will invest in public services. I would see him as a return to austerity.
Now this in no way means I am a Liz Truss cheerleader who I think will be pretty terrible on the world stage. But I would like to see tax cuts. Corporation Tax and income tax being the two main ones.
You know he can't introduce tax hikes by himself? The NI rise was Bojo's solution to the Health Care crisis (in England). They were all signed off by BJ who loved splashing taxpayer cash - not his problem how it would be paid back.
I'll not refuse a tax cut myself but I read in the I paper today that the tax cuts that Truss is planning are likely to favour higher earners. "The key beneficiaries are those earning over £100,000 pa, someone earning £140,000 will be better off than someone on £20,000."
Get people working and off benefits make jobs worthwhile with a decent pay structure otherwise why would you get up outta bed? Those that want to move here, straight into work, cut out the long red tape required to get them what they are looking for..
Plenty of jobs available just lazy bastards
It's actually a very small proportion of the population who don't work or won't work. It's not a huge amount of money or people unless you read the Daily Mail who quantify it as all Foreigners, Scots, Northerners and Black people.
There would be huge savings in Defence for example. Look at how much Trident costs or how much it costs to drop a bomb. There is always money for that, but to build something like a New hospital then the money isn't there and we need a Tax hike. There is no money to pay workers. I know of a Nurse who had to phone into work last month as she hadn't the price of Diesel to take her to in. This is the reality. There is plenty of money and plenty in the Tax take they just spunk it on government contracts for their mates and blame people on benefits.
Could be worse:
Leo Varadkar: "Sinn Féin is promising a fundamental change in our economic policy and if we have a fundamental change in our economic policy our economy will change fundamentally. It might not happen immediately, it might take two or three years, but there will be less investment, there will be fewer jobs, the tax take will be smaller than it otherwise would be, and the cake will get smaller for everyone."
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Quote from: trailer on July 21, 2022, 02:43:27 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 21, 2022, 12:05:42 PM
Truss will be continuity Boris without the partying and 'charm', unfortunately for the UK the cabinet will still be full of idiots like JRM & Dorries. Sullerman is another, she is obviously an intelligent person as the highest legal brain in Government, but she comes across as such a right wing dunderhead it's cringeworthy. Truss will pick further fights with the EU, will be tougher on the NIP than Bojo ever planned to be, will further aggravate Russia and quite possibly escalate the Ukrainian situation with boneheaded bravado. She will be a gift for Labour tho. I really hope Sunak wins, I genuinely fear what Truss could do.
Like someone said "it is like seeing a menu of diseases and having your Da pick one for you."
Whatever about Truss at least she's for cutting taxes. Sunak wants to put them up! He'd be an economic disaster. I think it will be Truss, difficult to see the Tory body politic elect an Indian.
I dont know what you're reading about Sunak putting taxes up?? Guido or some right wing nonsense thats backing Truss? Sunak clearly stated in the leadership debates he'll delay cutting taxes until inflation is under control, no tax rises. Cutting taxes in the current environment is also likely to fuel inflation, so a tax cut could be a long term false economy.
Why would Sunak be an Economic disaster? That's a really interesting take on it?? I'd take Sunak any day of the week.
He consistently said that things need to be paid for. He has already introduced tax hikes as chancellor. I don't believe he will invest in public services. I would see him as a return to austerity.
Now this in no way means I am a Liz Truss cheerleader who I think will be pretty terrible on the world stage. But I would like to see tax cuts. Corporation Tax and income tax being the two main ones.
You know he can't introduce tax hikes by himself? The NI rise was Bojo's solution to the Health Care crisis (in England). They were all signed off by BJ who loved splashing taxpayer cash - not his problem how it would be paid back.
I'll not refuse a tax cut myself but I read in the I paper today that the tax cuts that Truss is planning are likely to favour higher earners. "The key beneficiaries are those earning over £100,000 pa, someone earning £140,000 will be better off than someone on £20,000."
I'd want to see more detail on what Truss plans and look both of these are far from an ideal scenario.
Don't quite get that quote. Someone on 140k will of course be better off than someone on 20k.
What i take from it is what ever way the tax break is designed the higher earner will receive more percentage wise than the lower earner.
Truss also plans to increase defence spending to 3% of GDP I think it is. That means less money for other Departments that actually matter to people, so that's a tax rise in another guise imo.
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Truss will be continuity Boris without the partying and 'charm', unfortunately for the UK the cabinet will still be full of idiots like JRM & Dorries. Sullerman is another, she is obviously an intelligent person as the highest legal brain in Government, but she comes across as such a right wing dunderhead it's cringeworthy. Truss will pick further fights with the EU, will be tougher on the NIP than Bojo ever planned to be, will further aggravate Russia and quite possibly escalate the Ukrainian situation with boneheaded bravado. She will be a gift for Labour tho. I really hope Sunak wins, I genuinely fear what Truss could do.
Like someone said "it is like seeing a menu of diseases and having your Da pick one for you."
Whatever about Truss at least she's for cutting taxes. Sunak wants to put them up! He'd be an economic disaster. I think it will be Truss, difficult to see the Tory body politic elect an Indian.
I dont know what you're reading about Sunak putting taxes up?? Guido or some right wing nonsense thats backing Truss? Sunak clearly stated in the leadership debates he'll delay cutting taxes until inflation is under control, no tax rises. Cutting taxes in the current environment is also likely to fuel inflation, so a tax cut could be a long term false economy.
Why would Sunak be an Economic disaster? That's a really interesting take on it?? I'd take Sunak any day of the week.
He consistently said that things need to be paid for. He has already introduced tax hikes as chancellor. I don't believe he will invest in public services. I would see him as a return to austerity.
Now this in no way means I am a Liz Truss cheerleader who I think will be pretty terrible on the world stage. But I would like to see tax cuts. Corporation Tax and income tax being the two main ones.
You know he can't introduce tax hikes by himself? The NI rise was Bojo's solution to the Health Care crisis (in England). They were all signed off by BJ who loved splashing taxpayer cash - not his problem how it would be paid back.
I'll not refuse a tax cut myself but I read in the I paper today that the tax cuts that Truss is planning are likely to favour higher earners. "The key beneficiaries are those earning over £100,000 pa, someone earning £140,000 will be better off than someone on £20,000."
Get people working and off benefits make jobs worthwhile with a decent pay structure otherwise why would you get up outta bed? Those that want to move here, straight into work, cut out the long red tape required to get them what they are looking for..
Plenty of jobs available just lazy bastards
It's actually a very small proportion of the population who don't work or won't work. It's not a huge amount of money or people unless you read the Daily Mail who quantify it as all Foreigners, Scots, Northerners and Black people.
There would be huge savings in Defence for example. Look at how much Trident costs or how much it costs to drop a bomb. There is always money for that, but to build something like a New hospital then the money isn't there and we need a Tax hike. There is no money to pay workers. I know of a Nurse who had to phone into work last month as she hadn't the price of Diesel to take her to in. This is the reality. There is plenty of money and plenty in the Tax take they just spunk it on government contracts for their mates and blame people on benefits.
exactly this. CEOs everywhere earning millions and paying buck all tax and a few people getting a shitty amount on benefits and the people on benefits get the blame.
The fear the tories have is the greedy CEO's (their funders) will head to some other country with better tax breaks, and if you were a CEO of a multi National company in the uk you'd probably do the same..
Either we want a better NHS or we don't.. has labour said they will reduce government spending on defence and increase the tax on these CEO's who tax dodge?
Those on benefits (job seekers) should be encouraged to be employed and with a better minimum wage to match, whether part met by the government...
If I can get good money (relative to minimum wage) without working then it's a no brainier
Everything you say there relates to the "public" giving more money. The problem is not that. This government is particularly corrupt. A lot of money is going to "cronies". A LOT.
But who in the media is going to research all that, spell it out to the public and what media broadcasting company will allow it?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 21, 2022, 03:57:49 PM
The fear the tories have is the greedy CEO's (their funders) will head to some other country with better tax breaks, and if you were a CEO of a multi National company in the uk you'd probably do the same..
Either we want a better NHS or we don't.. has labour said they will reduce government spending on defence and increase the tax on these CEO's who tax dodge?
Those on benefits (job seekers) should be encouraged to be employed and with a better minimum wage to match, whether part met by the government...
If I can get good money (relative to minimum wage) without working then it's a no brainier
Consecutive Tory governments have done absolutely nothing to prevent tax evasion so a lot of the wealthy are already funneling their money earned in the UK via shell companies and the likes, plus allowing Russian Oligarchs to launder their money via the City of London, it's not called the London Laundromat for nothing.
Rishi and others like him avail of these "loopholes" yet talk about benefits cheats and the likes as if they're the problem.
The next election may still not happening to January 2025
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 21, 2022, 04:02:18 PM
But who in the media is going to research all that, spell it out to the public and what media broadcasting company will allow it?
Carole Callawalldr & Pippa Cerar for a start. Who really pays attention?? Corruption is institutionalised.
People don't care. They just don't care enough. Even here. We must compete for services. Waiting lists for hospital or GP appointments, new schools, roads, housing. But don't look at the gov to solve those problems. It's the guy on benefits, the foreigners, the EU causes these issues. It's not us. It's not the political class. Vote DUP, smash SF, Time for change, it's Tory austerity, ILA now, no return to the status quo, Get Brexit done, Oven ready, Leave means leave. And out we go and vote for the exact same ppl as before, over and over and over again, and we vote for their sisters and their brothers and their children and we wonder why things are the way they are.
Johnson was very sinister in his "hasta la vista". We haven't seen the last of that p***k yet.
That is it trailer however people are going to start caring once winter kicks in.
MR it is researched etc and there is a crowd funded barrister constantly taking case against the government and winning quite a few of them. It is in the guardian but the daily mail etc are pro tory and wouldn't have it near them that the tories have no scruples.
Tbh some of them should probably be in jail for the way they are robbing public money. More tax will do nothing IMO. It'll get nowhere near where it needs to go.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 21, 2022, 03:57:49 PM
The fear the tories have is the greedy CEO's (their funders) will head to some other country with better tax breaks, and if you were a CEO of a multi National company in the uk you'd probably do the same..
Either we want a better NHS or we don't.. has labour said they will reduce government spending on defence and increase the tax on these CEO's who tax dodge?
Those on benefits (job seekers) should be encouraged to be employed and with a better minimum wage to match, whether part met by the government...
If I can get good money (relative to minimum wage) without working then it's a no brainier
You say these two things while on the golf thread you are wondering why other than a player being a greedy c**t goes to LIV for another 40 mil having already earned 50 mil in his career ;D Jesus MR you do love a good argument ;D
Himucker wins the internet for today as the boy says.
Although there will be a comeback no doubt. There always is. Always.
Always
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on July 21, 2022, 08:59:48 PM
Himucker wins the internet for today as the boy says.
Although there will be a comeback no doubt. There always is. Always.
Always
I'm 50, I thought everyone was a moany **** when ya hot that target?
Anyways no... 2.40 euro for glass of wine in Malaga... £6.00 Belfast
Youve been at it ten years now tho 😉😃
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on July 21, 2022, 10:39:39 PM
Youve been at it ten years now tho 😉😃
Ahead of my time, always have been!
Sure I really don't give a feck, it's just randomers on an anonymous discussion board talking shite.
https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1550552774730981378?t=IVNph6obtvyZkFG0x9D3rg&s=19 (https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1550552774730981378?t=IVNph6obtvyZkFG0x9D3rg&s=19)
Well now...
That boy is far from gone.
It's more idiocy from the Tory right, he may very well return in the near future (after a General Election defeat) but if this gained any genuine creedence it would be the end of them as a political force, they'd be a laughing stock.
Also interesting to read Tory (voting) membership increased by 60-70,000 in the past year or so, supposedly by a younger head banger right wing crowd. Sunak is fucked as he's blamed for toppling Bojo.
We could see the return of johnson and trump
It is funny to see so many people of colour and different ethnicities running for leadership of the tory party. That party is not for you. We will see how tolerant the tory party is in the vote off between Truss and Sunak when the clearly better candidate is Asian and the lesser candidate is white.
Truss swears this is all sheer coincidence.
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Quote from: Main Street on August 01, 2022, 02:51:15 PM
Truss swears this is all sheer coincidence.
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She's the media barons choice so it's in the bag for our Liz.
It is in the bag. Talk of Sunak potentially pulling out.
We're all doomed. Honestly she is an awful choice and there will be things happen on her watch that are not going to be good.
The tory donors run the tory party and they basically run the UK. All these people are is just figureheads.
Some of what they are trying to do gets turned down in the Lords(e.g. they reckon the NI protocol amendments will) and the reckoning is Johnson's last hurrah will be to get enough cronies in there that this won't happen any more. The house of lords is a joke but at least it did something. It would be ok for it to go but for this.
Reflects bad on Labour that the 3 UK prime ministers (assuming Truss does win) are all from the Conservative Party.
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 01, 2022, 03:11:17 PM
It is in the bag. Talk of Sunak potentially pulling out.
We're all doomed. Honestly she is an awful choice and there will be things happen on her watch that are not going to be good.
The tory donors run the tory party and they basically run the UK. All these people are is just figureheads.
Some of what they are trying to do gets turned down in the Lords(e.g. they reckon the NI protocol amendments will) and the reckoning is Johnson's last hurrah will be to get enough cronies in there that this won't happen any more. The house of lords is a joke but at least it did something. It would be ok for it to go but for this.
Truss might last a year. the economy is really weak. Cutting taxes will drive inflation higher, hurting Sun readers.
It's hard to see the UK surviving in one piece. The plutocrats don't care about anyone else.
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 01, 2022, 03:49:15 PM
Reflects bad on Labour that the 3 UK prime ministers (assuming Truss does win) are all from the Conservative Party.
Corbyn was cobbled from the get go, the only election in that timeframe.
He probably went too left wing, but he didn't have full support within his own party and he was on the receiving end of a constant barrage of lies from client media and to really put the tin hat on it, his base was pro brexit whereas he and Labour were a bit indecisive on it to say the least.
Will Starmer fare any better in two years time will depend on how big of a mess Truss leaves in the meantime.
Quote from: seafoid on August 01, 2022, 04:14:18 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 01, 2022, 03:11:17 PM
It is in the bag. Talk of Sunak potentially pulling out.
We're all doomed. Honestly she is an awful choice and there will be things happen on her watch that are not going to be good.
The tory donors run the tory party and they basically run the UK. All these people are is just figureheads.
Some of what they are trying to do gets turned down in the Lords(e.g. they reckon the NI protocol amendments will) and the reckoning is Johnson's last hurrah will be to get enough cronies in there that this won't happen any more. The house of lords is a joke but at least it did something. It would be ok for it to go but for this.
Truss might last a year. the economy is really weak. Cutting taxes will drive inflation higher, hurting Sun readers.
It's hard to see the UK surviving in one piece. The plutocrats don't care about anyone else.
Sun readers will be told it's Putin and the EU's fault whilst the owner counts his vast, untaxed profits in an off-shore island somewhere.
Quote from: johnnycool on August 01, 2022, 04:20:10 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 01, 2022, 03:49:15 PM
Reflects bad on Labour that the 3 UK prime ministers (assuming Truss does win) are all from the Conservative Party.
Corbyn was cobbled from the get go, the only election in that timeframe.
He probably went too left wing, but he didn't have full support within his own party and he was on the receiving end of a constant barrage of lies from client media and to really put the tin hat on it, his base was pro brexit whereas he and Labour were a bit indecisive on it to say the least.
Will Starmer fare any better in two years time will depend on how big of a mess Truss leaves in the meantime.
Starmer is a neoliberal and pro Israel so he won't get many psy ops . He has a good chance of winning but won't change anything.
I am not convinced Starmer will be there in 2 years.
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 01, 2022, 04:33:19 PM
I am not convinced Starmer will be there in 2 years.
I was kinda hoping the Yorkshire cops did fine him TBH..
I can't warm to him.
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 01, 2022, 04:33:19 PM
I am not convinced Starmer will be there in 2 years.
He is purging a lot of lefties. On the other hand how will they get lefties to vote Labour ?
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Quote from: imtommygunn on August 01, 2022, 04:33:19 PM
I am not convinced Starmer will be there in 2 years.
I was kinda hoping the Yorkshire cops did fine him TBH..
I can't warm to him.
And who would you want to replace him? At least he stands a chance in a GE as he's relatively Centrist. The corbynista brand of Politics is toxic in the UK.
Quote from: johnnycool on August 01, 2022, 04:35:24 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 01, 2022, 04:33:19 PM
I am not convinced Starmer will be there in 2 years.
I was kinda hoping the Yorkshire cops did fine him TBH..
I can't warm to him.
Yeah I was kind of thinking it could be a blessing in disguise.
Tbh it's hard to know what he stands for - I don't think he'd be that hard to replace. I don't know enough of the labour party but there has to be an option in there.
Quote from: johnnycool on August 01, 2022, 04:35:24 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 01, 2022, 04:33:19 PM
I am not convinced Starmer will be there in 2 years.
I was kinda hoping the Yorkshire cops did fine him TBH..
I can't warm to him.
Starmer is a plant, same way MI5 infiltrated the mineworkers union, he's a lame duck hence the establishment haven't gone after him
Quote from: bennydorano on August 01, 2022, 04:41:06 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on August 01, 2022, 04:35:24 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 01, 2022, 04:33:19 PM
I am not convinced Starmer will be there in 2 years.
I was kinda hoping the Yorkshire cops did fine him TBH..
I can't warm to him.
And who would you want to replace him? At least he stands a chance in a GE as he's relatively Centrist. The corbynista brand of Politics is toxic in the UK.
Andy Burnham be a good shout
Quote from: seafoid on August 01, 2022, 04:36:52 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 01, 2022, 04:33:19 PM
I am not convinced Starmer will be there in 2 years.
He is purging a lot of lefties. On the other hand how will they get lefties to vote Labour ?
Labour had to do this under Kinnock. Appeasing the hard left will not get them elected - a lot of the Labour party activists it seems would be content to have their principles even if it mean permanent opposition to an increasingly strident and extremist Tory party. It still took another 10 years after the 1987 General Election before Labour got in again.
Quote from: bennydorano on August 01, 2022, 04:41:06 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on August 01, 2022, 04:35:24 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 01, 2022, 04:33:19 PM
I am not convinced Starmer will be there in 2 years.
I was kinda hoping the Yorkshire cops did fine him TBH..
I can't warm to him.
And who would you want to replace him? At least he stands a chance in a GE as he's relatively Centrist. The corbynista brand of Politics is toxic in the UK.
Corbyn was eviscerated by the establishment/media as he posed a threat to their ongoing carve up of Britain's wealth
Corbyn did very well in his first GE under a constant media storm, that was amped up to blitzkrieg levels thereafter
Corbyn's message was no different to Mick Lynch, actual levelling up, this is anathema to the cartel
Quote from: pbat on August 01, 2022, 04:48:40 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 01, 2022, 04:41:06 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on August 01, 2022, 04:35:24 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 01, 2022, 04:33:19 PM
I am not convinced Starmer will be there in 2 years.
I was kinda hoping the Yorkshire cops did fine him TBH..
I can't warm to him.
And who would you want to replace him? At least he stands a chance in a GE as he's relatively Centrist. The corbynista brand of Politics is toxic in the UK.
Andy Burnham be a good shout
He's not an MP at the minute. Currently mayor of Manchester (trying to do a Boris in London), he's known as a bit of a political opportunist so fair chance he'll be back at some point. Sadiq Khan, current London Mayor, has eyes on it too longterm I'd imagine.
Quote from: bennydorano on August 01, 2022, 04:55:38 PM
Quote from: pbat on August 01, 2022, 04:48:40 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 01, 2022, 04:41:06 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on August 01, 2022, 04:35:24 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 01, 2022, 04:33:19 PM
I am not convinced Starmer will be there in 2 years.
I was kinda hoping the Yorkshire cops did fine him TBH..
I can't warm to him.
And who would you want to replace him? At least he stands a chance in a GE as he's relatively Centrist. The corbynista brand of Politics is toxic in the UK.
Andy Burnham be a good shout
He's not an MP at the minute. Currently mayor of Manchester (trying to do a Boris in London), he's known as a bit of a political opportunist so fair chance he'll be back at some point. Sadiq Khan, current London Mayor, has eyes on it too longterm I'd imagine.
If Burnham stands as an MP in the next GE then you could see him go for it thereafter as I think Starmer will get this next GE but if he doesn't win it with the Torys being abjectly poor then he'll never win it.
Chris Bryant would be another good shout.
Quote from: APM on August 01, 2022, 04:49:25 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 01, 2022, 04:36:52 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 01, 2022, 04:33:19 PM
I am not convinced Starmer will be there in 2 years.
He is purging a lot of lefties. On the other hand how will they get lefties to vote Labour ?
Labour had to do this under Kinnock. Appeasing the hard left will not get them elected - a lot of the Labour party activists it seems would be content to have their principles even if it mean permanent opposition to an increasingly strident and extremist Tory party. It still took another 10 years after the 1987 General Election before Labour got in again.
1983 was different. The economic system changed in 1980. Many people benefited.
Now the UK economy is marked by stagnation. Only the rich benefit.
Corbyn wasn't even radical but the rich did not accept his analysis.
There won't be a real reforming Labour government until neoliberalism collapses. Starmer would collapse the economy slower than Truss.
A Labour government has to get elected first. You are right about Corbyn not being a radical. Some of his policies were centrist. However, Crorbyn had some policies that left him open ongoing attack from the press. It wasn't just the rich that didn't accept his policies. Not enough people accepted his policies to get him elected and until Labour have a pragmatic leader in the mould of Blair, with the support of the party, who is prepared to compromise some principles to get elected so that other more critical policies can be advanced, Labour are going nowhere.
The primary purpose of a political party is to get elected and drive change. Too many Labour activists think they should be like the Greens - better out of power lobbying, than in power, taking responsibility.
Quote from: APM on August 01, 2022, 07:22:20 PM
A Labour government has to get elected first. You are right about Corbyn not being a radical. Some of his policies were centrist. However, Crorbyn had some policies that left him open ongoing attack from the press. It wasn't just the rich that didn't accept his policies. Not enough people accepted his policies to get him elected and until Labour have a pragmatic leader in the mould of Blair, with the support of the party, who is prepared to compromise some principles to get elected so that other more critical policies can be advanced, Labour are going nowhere.
The primary purpose of a political party is to get elected and drive change. Too many Labour activists think they should be like the Greens - better out of power lobbying, than in power, taking responsibility.
The Labour performance was reasonable other than in the so-called Red Wall where the Tories won 40 seats from Labour for a majority of 80.
They won those seats because they focused on nationalism. They may lose them in the next election.
If Starmer wins, nothing will change. It'll be the same as FF in 2008 or Labour in 2011 or Greens now. Then the Lefties will get a turn. The analysis is still valid.
Quote from: seafoid on August 01, 2022, 07:51:01 PM
Quote from: APM on August 01, 2022, 07:22:20 PM
A Labour government has to get elected first. You are right about Corbyn not being a radical. Some of his policies were centrist. However, Crorbyn had some policies that left him open ongoing attack from the press. It wasn't just the rich that didn't accept his policies. Not enough people accepted his policies to get him elected and until Labour have a pragmatic leader in the mould of Blair, with the support of the party, who is prepared to compromise some principles to get elected so that other more critical policies can be advanced, Labour are going nowhere.
The primary purpose of a political party is to get elected and drive change. Too many Labour activists think they should be like the Greens - better out of power lobbying, than in power, taking responsibility.
The Labour performance was reasonable other than in the so-called Red Wall where the Tories won 40 seats from Labour for a majority of 80.
They won those seats because they focused on nationalism. They may lose them in the next election.
If Starmer wins, nothing will change. It'll be the same as FF in 2008 or Labour in 2011 or Greens now. Then the Lefties will get a turn. The analysis is still valid.
Even if they won the red wall seats they were still on a hiding to nothing. There may be an element that with Scotland gone to SNP, Labour activists may be encouraged to put principle before success, because they probably feel that they will win nothing anyway, even with the red wall. But Labour will not win an election unless they win over middle of the road voters and the English press will see to it that this won't happen with a left winger in charge. Blair recognised this and secured the support of the Murdoch press, unsavoury as that may seem. Unless there is a significant change in terms of UK press ownership / regulation etc, the only Labour leader I can see getting in will be a centrist. Labour have a responsibility to see that this happens, because the Tories will do a lot of damage if they retain unfettered power.
Quote from: APM on August 01, 2022, 09:50:30 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 01, 2022, 07:51:01 PM
Quote from: APM on August 01, 2022, 07:22:20 PM
A Labour government has to get elected first. You are right about Corbyn not being a radical. Some of his policies were centrist. However, Crorbyn had some policies that left him open ongoing attack from the press. It wasn't just the rich that didn't accept his policies. Not enough people accepted his policies to get him elected and until Labour have a pragmatic leader in the mould of Blair, with the support of the party, who is prepared to compromise some principles to get elected so that other more critical policies can be advanced, Labour are going nowhere.
The primary purpose of a political party is to get elected and drive change. Too many Labour activists think they should be like the Greens - better out of power lobbying, than in power, taking responsibility.
The Labour performance was reasonable other than in the so-called Red Wall where the Tories won 40 seats from Labour for a majority of 80.
They won those seats because they focused on nationalism. They may lose them in the next election.
If Starmer wins, nothing will change. It'll be the same as FF in 2008 or Labour in 2011 or Greens now. Then the Lefties will get a turn. The analysis is still valid.
Even if they won the red wall seats they were still on a hiding to nothing. There may be an element that with Scotland gone to SNP, Labour activists may be encouraged to put principle before success, because they probably feel that they will win nothing anyway, even with the red wall. But Labour will not win an election unless they win over middle of the road voters and the English press will see to it that this won't happen with a left winger in charge. Blair recognised this and secured the support of the Murdoch press, unsavoury as that may seem. Unless there is a significant change in terms of UK press ownership / regulation etc, the only Labour leader I can see getting in will be a centrist. Labour have a responsibility to see that this happens, because the Tories will do a lot of damage if they retain unfettered power.
Labour only win as a coalition. There have only been 3 labour leaders who won an election since 1945. So they have to offer stuff to Liverpool, centrists and nationalists. Taxing plutocrats would go a long way.
Quote from: APM on August 01, 2022, 09:50:30 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 01, 2022, 07:51:01 PM
Quote from: APM on August 01, 2022, 07:22:20 PM
A Labour government has to get elected first. You are right about Corbyn not being a radical. Some of his policies were centrist. However, Crorbyn had some policies that left him open ongoing attack from the press. It wasn't just the rich that didn't accept his policies. Not enough people accepted his policies to get him elected and until Labour have a pragmatic leader in the mould of Blair, with the support of the party, who is prepared to compromise some principles to get elected so that other more critical policies can be advanced, Labour are going nowhere.
The primary purpose of a political party is to get elected and drive change. Too many Labour activists think they should be like the Greens - better out of power lobbying, than in power, taking responsibility.
The Labour performance was reasonable other than in the so-called Red Wall where the Tories won 40 seats from Labour for a majority of 80.
They won those seats because they focused on nationalism. They may lose them in the next election.
If Starmer wins, nothing will change. It'll be the same as FF in 2008 or Labour in 2011 or Greens now. Then the Lefties will get a turn. The analysis is still valid.
Even if they won the red wall seats they were still on a hiding to nothing. There may be an element that with Scotland gone to SNP, Labour activists may be encouraged to put principle before success, because they probably feel that they will win nothing anyway, even with the red wall. But Labour will not win an election unless they win over middle of the road voters and the English press will see to it that this won't happen with a left winger in charge. Blair recognised this and secured the support of the Murdoch press, unsavoury as that may seem. Unless there is a significant change in terms of UK press ownership / regulation etc, the only Labour leader I can see getting in will be a centrist. Labour have a responsibility to see that this happens, because the Tories will do a lot of damage if they retain unfettered power.
Unfortunately you are absolutely bang on with this. I fear for the damage the tories will do here and I think they could do a bit of damage to the whole island not just the north - that's both economic and political instability (economic to both parts but instability to north).
Tory backers like the media are running the country.
Truss just drove the SNP closer to Labour for the next election anyway.
There have been plenty of rivals but her comments in Scotland today are up there with the stupidest things I've ever heard from a politician!!
She's a shoo in for the role why has she made it harder for herself when she actually gets into office by saying stupid shit and pandering to people she doesn't really need to??
Maybe it's because she is stupid? No more than a puppet.
Truss is working for the man.
Quote from: screenexile on August 01, 2022, 11:00:06 PM
Truss just drove the SNP closer to Labour for the next election anyway.
There have been plenty of rivals but her comments in Scotland today are up there with the stupidest things I've ever heard from a politician!!
She's a shoo in for the role why has she made it harder for herself when she actually gets into office by saying stupid shit and pandering to people she doesn't really need to??
She doesn't care, it was a shortterm soundbite to her Tory base.
It's what Boris would have done, say what you need to say to get elected and then do whatever you like thereafter and never keep any of those promises.
The UK is in a very sad state. The South left in similar circumstances a century ago.
Quote from: APM on August 01, 2022, 09:50:30 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 01, 2022, 07:51:01 PM
Quote from: APM on August 01, 2022, 07:22:20 PM
A Labour government has to get elected first. You are right about Corbyn not being a radical. Some of his policies were centrist. However, Crorbyn had some policies that left him open ongoing attack from the press. It wasn't just the rich that didn't accept his policies. Not enough people accepted his policies to get him elected and until Labour have a pragmatic leader in the mould of Blair, with the support of the party, who is prepared to compromise some principles to get elected so that other more critical policies can be advanced, Labour are going nowhere.
The primary purpose of a political party is to get elected and drive change. Too many Labour activists think they should be like the Greens - better out of power lobbying, than in power, taking responsibility.
The Labour performance was reasonable other than in the so-called Red Wall where the Tories won 40 seats from Labour for a majority of 80.
They won those seats because they focused on nationalism. They may lose them in the next election.
If Starmer wins, nothing will change. It'll be the same as FF in 2008 or Labour in 2011 or Greens now. Then the Lefties will get a turn. The analysis is still valid.
Even if they won the red wall seats they were still on a hiding to nothing. There may be an element that with Scotland gone to SNP, Labour activists may be encouraged to put principle before success, because they probably feel that they will win nothing anyway, even with the red wall. But Labour will not win an election unless they win over middle of the road voters and the English press will see to it that this won't happen with a left winger in charge. Blair recognised this and secured the support of the Murdoch press, unsavoury as that may seem. Unless there is a significant change in terms of UK press ownership / regulation etc, the only Labour leader I can see getting in will be a centrist. Labour have a responsibility to see that this happens, because the Tories will do a lot of damage if they retain unfettered power.
I'd agree but Truss is talking about 'regional public sector pay boards'. That is unlikely to tie into the 'levelling up agenda' and more likely to scare off red wall voters. For all of Labours problems they pretty much have London wrapped up and significant gains in the north would put them into a position where an initial coalition was possible, to get the Tories out of power. The most obvious would be with the SNP but that is politically risky so if the Lib Dems continue to make gains around the south west and midlands, my money is on Labour/Lib Dems being the next government.
Starmer has one chance at it, if he fails and the Tories get back in then Andy Burnham will be the next Labour leader and would probably be in the mould of Blair and win a GE outright.
Quote from: Gael80 on August 02, 2022, 12:50:36 PM
I'd agree but Truss is talking about 'regional public sector pay boards'. That is unlikely to tie into the 'levelling up agenda' and more likely to scare off red wall voters. For all of Labours problems they pretty much have London wrapped up and significant gains in the north would put them into a position where an initial coalition was possible, to get the Tories out of power. The most obvious would be with the SNP but that is politically risky so if the Lib Dems continue to make gains around the south west and midlands, my money is on Labour/Lib Dems being the next government.
It would be good crack if they adjusted the Barnett formula for
the colonies Scotland, NI and Wales as lower salaries are appropriate to those places in keeping with local salaries.
She's scrapping the regional payscale plan now.
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 02, 2022, 01:03:18 PM
She's scrapping the regional payscale plan now.
La donna è mobile.
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 02, 2022, 01:03:18 PM
She's scrapping the regional payscale plan now.
Is she though, or is it a snapshot of her plans? It's about getting elected, I doubt she'd totally scrap her plans, maybe just call it something else when in the PM seat.
Labour are making inroads in "Red Wall" constituencies in the north of England. Lib Dems are doing well in "Blue Wall" constituencies in Southern England.
The Tory majority is 68 so if more than 34 are flipped by a combined Labour/Libdem effort they will win.
Quote from: Gael80 on August 02, 2022, 01:08:38 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 02, 2022, 01:03:18 PM
She's scrapping the regional payscale plan now.
Is she though, or is it a snapshot of her plans? It's about getting elected, I doubt she'd totally scrap her plans, maybe just call it something else when in the PM seat.
Of course, it is. Truss is like Boris and will say anything that sounds right at the time to get her elected. Things like this where the mask slips - if there is any mask left.
I've been in the Public Sector 25 odd years, the 'threat' of Regional pay is nothing new, at least the 3rd or 4th time I've heard it. Red meat for the right wingers. Reminds of how the Belfast Telegraph & Irish News get fed details of public sector sick stats every year just as pay awards are up for discussion. The know your place mindset of Governments.
How regional are we talking here. Would a politician serving Norfolk be taking lower wages and smaller pension? ;D
She is going to win it mind!
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on August 02, 2022, 05:44:29 PM
How regional are we talking here. Would a politician serving Norfolk be taking lower wages and smaller pension? ;D
She is going to win it mind!
I can't see her lasting very long. The Tories are very vulnerable to public opinion.
Is the Tory leadership race closer than we thought?
https://sotn.newstatesman.com/2022/08/tory-leadership-race-rishi-sunak-liz-truss/
so if rishi gets in will he be sending troops into west belfast strabane derry liverpool scotland london armagh lurgan and other places because rishi says anyone critical of the uk will be deferred to a programme and when they say criticise the uk they also mean the tory party is this where we are at.
Also sunak could use that as a way to disband sinn fein snp plaid cymru sdlp and more will sunak be sending in troops to round up sinn feiners.
You can see his language changing as he realises he is losing. This kind of rhetoric seems to be what people want. I still think he is less dangerous than truss. They are just fronts for donors these people.
Uk well on it's way to fascism
50 percent of england would probably support sunaks proposal id wonder if he includes anti monarchists as vilifying britain.
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 04, 2022, 07:52:31 AM
You can see his language changing as he realises he is losing. This kind of rhetoric seems to be what people want. I still think he is less dangerous than truss. They are just fronts for donors these people.
Uk well on it's way to fascism
It's there already, they just put a better facad on it.
You got to wonder about what the current Tory party electorate are like when this type of stuff is a vote winner for them.
Ian Óg was right of sorts when he said the Tory party was turning into an English Nationalist party, he's a bit of a slow learner as they've been that the day Cameron called for the Brexit referendum in 2014.
I don't think it's quite where they want it to get to yet but there do seem to be maneuvers to get it there.
It is basically UKIP.
The aftermath of the Brexit referendum saw the Tory party taken over by English nationalists with no idea of economics
Quote from: johnnycool on August 04, 2022, 10:56:49 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 04, 2022, 07:52:31 AM
You can see his language changing as he realises he is losing. This kind of rhetoric seems to be what people want. I still think he is less dangerous than truss. They are just fronts for donors these people.
Uk well on it's way to fascism
It's there already, they just put a better facad on it.
You got to wonder about what the current Tory party electorate are like when this type of stuff is a vote winner for them.
Ian Óg was right of sorts when he said the Tory party was turning into an English Nationalist party, he's a bit of a slow learner as they've been that the day Cameron called for the Brexit referendum in 2014.
How many MPs have they outside of England? 10?
Quote from: seafoid on August 04, 2022, 11:19:25 AM
The aftermath of the Brexit referendum saw the Tory party taken over by English nationalists with no idea of economics
They are just a bunch of narcissistic individuals masquerading as English nationalists. They are a bunch of "these are my principles I have others" people.
The tories RF? Not too many. Scotland would be sewn up by snp. Probably a few in wales - 13 on googling. Wales a funny place. Still haven't forgiven them for voting for brexit ;D
6 in Scotland, none in 6 Cos although the useful idiots aka DUPUDA support them.
I think they near enough disbanded here - they were getting nothing.
The DUP are basically tories. I guess anyone who has nothing other than self interest I would usually brand a tory which fits their bill.
I dunno if it's more UDA or UVF or UFF. I am not sure the difference in any of these organisations ;D
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 04, 2022, 01:13:58 PM
I think they near enough disbanded here - they were getting nothing.
The DUP are basically tories. I guess anyone who has nothing other than self interest I would usually brand a tory which fits their bill.
I dunno if it's more UDA or UVF or UFF. I am not sure the difference in any of these organisations ;D
I can't believe its not
butter UDR
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 04, 2022, 01:07:12 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 04, 2022, 11:19:25 AM
The aftermath of the Brexit referendum saw the Tory party taken over by English nationalists with no idea of economics
They are just a bunch of narcissistic individuals masquerading as English nationalists. They are a bunch of "these are my principles I have others" people.
The tories RF? Not too many. Scotland would be sewn up by snp. Probably a few in wales - 13 on googling. Wales a funny place. Still haven't forgiven them for voting for brexit ;D
Chris Johns (Welsh economist, Irish Times contributor, ex-BOI economist) is a regular contributor to Dunphy's podcast. He has mentioned a few times that a majority of Welsh people in Wales voted against Brexit, however, there are a lot of English who live in Wales, thus the Wales total vote was a majority for Leave.
Quote from: Hound on August 04, 2022, 02:20:40 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 04, 2022, 01:07:12 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 04, 2022, 11:19:25 AM
The aftermath of the Brexit referendum saw the Tory party taken over by English nationalists with no idea of economics
They are just a bunch of narcissistic individuals masquerading as English nationalists. They are a bunch of "these are my principles I have others" people.
The tories RF? Not too many. Scotland would be sewn up by snp. Probably a few in wales - 13 on googling. Wales a funny place. Still haven't forgiven them for voting for brexit ;D
Chris Johns (Welsh economist, Irish Times contributor, ex-BOI economist) is a regular contributor to Dunphy's podcast. He has mentioned a few times that a majority of Welsh people in Wales voted against Brexit, however, there are a lot of English who live in Wales, thus the Wales total vote was a majority for Leave.
hooring planters! at it again
https://twitter.com/i/status/1555478619253776390 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1555478619253776390)
Rishi said this bit out loud!!!
It will probably get him more votes!!
Quote from: johnnycool on August 05, 2022, 03:26:31 PM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1555478619253776390 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1555478619253776390)
Rishi said this bit out loud!!!
He is clearly not suitable for the job. Someone with a bit of ability would have said the same thing, but would have phrased it as spending proportional to the population which did favour Labour voting areas, or suchlike.
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 05, 2022, 03:40:37 PM
It will probably get him more votes!!
Yip, pitch perfect for his target audience.
levelling up just another buzzwords use by tories that will be repeated and people fall for it
Levelling down would be a more accurate description. Watch house of cards and the America first thing spacey was at. Exactly the same. Meaningless, and untrue, slogans.
truss and sunak are probably not even the worse tories which is scary id not be suprise if kemi badanoch or patel become pm before next election tories will go even further to right.
Poor Dominic Raab ;D ;D
Horrible piece of work.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 21, 2023, 11:05:46 AM
Poor Dominic Raab ;D ;D
Horrible piece of work.
Indeed, throwing tomatoes at his staff, I'd be throwing my ham and cheese sandwich back at the hoor.
BUT,
Just like with the poison dwarf that was Priti Patel, they seem to dig up even bigger cúnts to replace the current ones...
Quote from: johnnycool on April 21, 2023, 11:10:05 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 21, 2023, 11:05:46 AM
Poor Dominic Raab ;D ;D
Horrible piece of work.
Indeed, throwing tomatoes at his staff, I'd be throwing my ham and cheese sandwich back at the hoor.
BUT,
Just like with the poison dwarf that was Priti Patel, they seem to dig up even bigger cúnts to replace the current ones...
There seems to be an endless supply of them
Quote from: Square Ball on April 21, 2023, 11:55:39 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on April 21, 2023, 11:10:05 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 21, 2023, 11:05:46 AM
Poor Dominic Raab ;D ;D
Horrible piece of work.
Indeed, throwing tomatoes at his staff, I'd be throwing my ham and cheese sandwich back at the hoor.
BUT,
Just like with the poison dwarf that was Priti Patel, they seem to dig up even bigger cúnts to replace the current ones...
There seems to be an endless supply of them
When dredging the sewer they are easy to find
That current shower of Tories are the lowest bunch of horrible hoors ever.
Cruella Braverman still stands............she's a right weapon
The next GE can't come quick enough...
Yet the presenters of Talk Radio and GB News think the tories are great.
Quote from: Orior on April 21, 2023, 01:52:56 PM
Yet the presenters of Talk Radio and GB News think the tories are great.
In their echo chamber
Quote from: GJL on April 21, 2023, 01:47:52 PM
The next GE can't come quick enough...
Rishi has 18 months. He has steadied the ship and they are not as bad as they were under BoJo. Coupled with an ineffective opposition don't be surprised if there is a major surge over the next while. The economy will improve. The DUP will go to Stormont, Brexit will be done, and Rishi will claim as much glory as he can. Will it be enough to get over the line? Who knows. They'll likely get a hammering in the local elections but it wouldn't be the first time. We are not at a 1997 GE stage yet.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on April 21, 2023, 02:36:01 PM
Quote from: GJL on April 21, 2023, 01:47:52 PM
The next GE can't come quick enough...
Rishi has 18 months. He has steadied the ship and they are not as bad as they were under BoJo. Coupled with an ineffective opposition don't be surprised if there is a major surge over the next while. The economy will improve. The DUP will go to Stormont, Brexit will be done, and Rishi will claim as much glory as he can. Will it be enough to get over the line? Who knows. They'll likely get a hammering in the local elections but it wouldn't be the first time. We are not at a 1997 GE stage yet.
Starmer has been a disappointment, no doubt. Unable to raise an issue with Brexit, no full on support for the striking workers etc etc but he may have been given a lifeline by the SNP going into freefall, Labour, by doing very little could gain up to 20 seats in Scotland.
Sunak, isn't great but when compared to the two previous incumbents he comes across as competent even if there's still a whiff of dishonesty about him and his wifes tax affairs and failing to come clean on her investments in a child care company all the while the UK Gov are setting up a new scheme which these 5 main childcare companies would do quite well out of it.
I can't see him getting traction at the voting booth with the Britian/England first types that rallied around Boris and Co.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on April 21, 2023, 02:36:01 PM
Quote from: GJL on April 21, 2023, 01:47:52 PM
The next GE can't come quick enough...
Rishi has 18 months. He has steadied the ship and they are not as bad as they were under BoJo. Coupled with an ineffective opposition don't be surprised if there is a major surge over the next while. The economy will improve. The DUP will go to Stormont, Brexit will be done, and Rishi will claim as much glory as he can. Will it be enough to get over the line? Who knows. They'll likely get a hammering in the local elections but it wouldn't be the first time. We are not at a 1997 GE stage yet.
Apart from the dup in stormont bit I would agree with that. I expect a major slur campaign on starmer over the course of the next 18 months.
The only thing Jc is who would the Britain first brigade vote for? I think that is one of a number of reasons braverman is in that job. None of those reasons are ability either.
Another 18 month's of those hoors? Surely that would be longer than 4 years since the last one? I thought they were meant to be every four years?
Passing the parcel so as long as one of them remain in power , and them and their billionaire buddies can continually raids the tills and bleed the place dry
As for sunak not being as bad ? They're all the same . If you've climbed that far up the ladder , you aren't a good one
I expect them to be beat out the door nxt election. Pushed Brexit to a bunch of fools (and we talking in the millions) on how good life is going it alone. It shown since that was a crock of shit. Can get a decent trade deal with anybody, US president who doesn't seem to give them much time.
resigned as MP.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-65863267
Good riddance
Quote from: armaghniac on June 09, 2023, 08:42:46 PM
resigned as MP.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-65863267
Good riddance
Can't see Trump following him
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 09, 2023, 08:44:07 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 09, 2023, 08:42:46 PM
resigned as MP.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-65863267
Good riddance
Can't see Trump following him
He won't be able to get out of jail.
He'll be out next week with a podcast. Or a book deal. Or both. Those wanting to see the end of him will be disappointed.
You'd nearly buy his book, it would be bollix but might be entertaining!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9n-2RxMfa4
He could be after Nadine Dorries seat after she resigned today.
I don't know if there's any Mid-Bedfordshire voters on here, but they have to make a stand to not vote Boris in handy.
A complete buffoon. A man child incapable of keeping his toys in his pram or his dick in his pants. He's whipped it out and pissed all over himself and everyone else for years and then moaned endlessly about being the victim. Utter moron.
Johnson in a statement exclaimed "I did not lie"
One is reminded of Richard Nixon's famous last words "I am not a crook"
Nixon went down in history as "Tricky Dicky", Johnson could well aspire to be remembered as "Bullshít Johnson".
wouldnt be suprise if we see him appear at trump rallys
I doubt he's gone yet. He'll either crop up going for another seat or another party. A complete charlatan who jail wouldn't be good enough for. "I did not lie".... I don't even think he knows the difference between truth and a lie any more.
What makes it even sweeter is the way the DUP cuddled up to him and salivated at his every word.
Quote from: Orior on June 10, 2023, 08:44:33 AM
What makes it even sweeter is the way the DUP cuddled up to him and salivated at his every word.
+1
https://twitter.com/politicsjoe_uk/status/1667258893074923520?s=46&t=BtFaHRA2ROFhCax853NIkA
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on June 10, 2023, 09:36:55 AM
https://twitter.com/politicsjoe_uk/status/1667258893074923520?s=46&t=BtFaHRA2ROFhCax853NIkA
1 ;D amazing
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 10, 2023, 07:46:31 AM
I doubt he's gone yet. He'll either crop up going for another seat or another party. A complete charlatan who jail wouldn't be good enough for. "I did not lie".... I don't even think he knows the difference between truth and a lie any more.
I don't see it. He's being detached by party and friends for good reason, which is manifesting along the lines of either, go quietly into the night, or loudly into a cell... your choice, just don't call us.
Sunak not putting up with BJ's nonsense
BBC News - Boris Johnson asked me to intervene in honours list, says Rishi Sunak
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65876723
354 to 7 - Boris Johnson deliberately misled parliament and is a serial liar. Well what do you know ;D
(Loads abstained too but still 55 or so %. Even his auld mate mogg didn't vote with him).
Next enquiry, did Bojo deliberately mislead the public on Brexit?
We all know and knew that he was/is a liar. But he was allowed to lie and get away with it.
This is case of too little too late.
These sort of characters need to be called out as liars at the time and should be severely punished when in those positions. What impact will this have on Bojo? Little to none I'd say.
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 20, 2023, 03:18:29 PM
Next enquiry, did Bojo deliberately mislead the public on Brexit?
We all know and knew that he was/is a liar. But he was allowed to lie and get away with it.
This is case of too little too late.
These sort of characters need to be called out as liars at the time and should be severely punished when in those positions. What impact will this have on Bojo? Little to none I'd say.
Lying, blustering buffoon ever since his school days found to be a lying, bullshítting buffoon with a penchant for riding any blonde who comes into his sphere even when his wife is being treated for cancer.
Shocked I tell you, shocked
Quote from: Main Street on June 10, 2023, 02:34:38 AM
Johnson in a statement exclaimed "I did not lie"
One is reminded of Richard Nixon's famous last words "I am not a crook"
Nixon went down in history as "Tricky Dicky", Johnson could well aspire to be remembered as "Bullshít Johnson".
He lied about the protocol and the oven ready deal. His near death covid rescued by the NHS I only recovered because of my very young child schtick was probably
a dead cat event. .
Quote from: seafoid on June 20, 2023, 03:56:36 PM
Quote from: Main Street on June 10, 2023, 02:34:38 AM
Johnson in a statement exclaimed "I did not lie"
One is reminded of Richard Nixon's famous last words "I am not a crook"
Nixon went down in history as "Tricky Dicky", Johnson could well aspire to be remembered as "Bullshít Johnson".
He lied about the protocol and the oven ready deal. His near death covid rescued by the NHS I only recovered because of my very young child schtick was probably
a dead cat event. .
Guaranteed he didn't have covid bad (if at all) , nor was he in hospital. Let alone an nhs hospital. All part of this "we're in this together " narrative . the PM in an nhs hospital beside joe soap from the east end? Aye right!
If he opens his mouth you can more or less guarantee it's a lie. I read an interesting thread on him assessing his personality etc and the reckoning on it was that he actually doesn't realise he's even telling lies. He just says what suits in the moment and moves on.
What gets me is his cheerleaders. He didn't lie or deliberately mislead parliament. yes dead on. The only explanation is that they realise without hm they'd not have a job.
Yeah I would doubt he had covid bad at all.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 20, 2023, 04:21:28 PM
If he opens his mouth you can more or less guarantee it's a lie. I read an interesting thread on him assessing his personality etc and the reckoning on it was that he actually doesn't realise he's even telling lies. He just says what suits in the moment and moves on.
What gets me is his cheerleaders. He didn't lie or deliberately mislead parliament. yes dead on. The only explanation is that they realise without hm they'd not have a job.
Yeah I would doubt he had covid bad at all.
It's not that he lied to Parliament, their defence of him is that no one can be sure he knowingly lied to Parliament...
Quite a bit of mental gymnastics that for me but summed up by Jess Philips that his defence is that he's stupid as well as a liar and they're not mutually exclusive.
I don't think he's stupid but he's a self serving p***k with little thought for no one other than himself and thon dickhead Nadine Dorries has been sucked in by him as well, convinced she was due a seat in the Lords when her name wasn't even on his list..
I love him. He's accelerated a conversation on New Ireland that nobody has been able to do in 100 years. He will quite possibly be the most important character in the history of Ireland ever. Thank You Boris.
Quote from: johnnycool on June 20, 2023, 04:53:16 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 20, 2023, 04:21:28 PM
If he opens his mouth you can more or less guarantee it's a lie. I read an interesting thread on him assessing his personality etc and the reckoning on it was that he actually doesn't realise he's even telling lies. He just says what suits in the moment and moves on.
What gets me is his cheerleaders. He didn't lie or deliberately mislead parliament. yes dead on. The only explanation is that they realise without hm they'd not have a job.
Yeah I would doubt he had covid bad at all.
It's not that he lied to Parliament, their defence of him is that no one can be sure he knowingly lied to Parliament...
Quite a bit of mental gymnastics that for me but summed up by Jess Philips that his defence is that he's stupid as well as a liar and they're not mutually exclusive.
I don't think he's stupid but he's a self serving p***k with little thought for no one other than himself and thon dickhead Nadine Dorries has been sucked in by him as well, convinced she was due a seat in the Lords when her name wasn't even on his list..
Far from stupid and probably a bit of life in him yet. I don't think you'd find many people out there who give less of a flying f**k about anyone else than him.
True trailer. Him and the dup are the gift that keeps on giving.
Quote from: trailer on June 20, 2023, 05:07:32 PM
I love him. He's accelerated a conversation on New Ireland that nobody has been able to do in 100 years. He will quite possibly be the most important character in the history of Ireland ever. Thank You Boris.
Possibly.
But at what cost?
The cost of living crisis we are in is in no small part down to brexit. How much misery has bee piled onto millions because of it and because of the lies told to get it over the line. .
Not the way I'd want to get a ui, but I take your point.
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 20, 2023, 08:01:42 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 20, 2023, 05:07:32 PM
I love him. He's accelerated a conversation on New Ireland that nobody has been able to do in 100 years. He will quite possibly be the most important character in the history of Ireland ever. Thank You Boris.
Possibly.
But at what cost?
The cost of living crisis we are in is in no small part down to brexit. How much misery has bee piled onto millions because of it and because of the lies told to get it over the line. .
Not the way I'd want to get a ui, but I take your point.
Cameron brought about the referendum for Brexit
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 20, 2023, 08:27:25 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 20, 2023, 08:01:42 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 20, 2023, 05:07:32 PM
I love him. He's accelerated a conversation on New Ireland that nobody has been able to do in 100 years. He will quite possibly be the most important character in the history of Ireland ever. Thank You Boris.
Possibly.
But at what cost?
The cost of living crisis we are in is in no small part down to brexit. How much misery has bee piled onto millions because of it and because of the lies told to get it over the line. .
Not the way I'd want to get a ui, but I take your point.
Cameron brought about the referendum for Brexit
Obviously Cameron opened the gate
But Boris drove the bus through and slammed it behind him
Spend a lot of time across the pond for work and it's incredible how many people (whom I would have considered switched on) who have him on a pedestal
There would have been no Brexit but for him
It's amazing the stuff he comes out with that people lap up.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 20, 2023, 08:27:25 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 20, 2023, 08:01:42 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 20, 2023, 05:07:32 PM
I love him. He's accelerated a conversation on New Ireland that nobody has been able to do in 100 years. He will quite possibly be the most important character in the history of Ireland ever. Thank You Boris.
Possibly.
But at what cost?
The cost of living crisis we are in is in no small part down to brexit. How much misery has bee piled onto millions because of it and because of the lies told to get it over the line. .
Not the way I'd want to get a ui, but I take your point.
Cameron brought about the referendum for Brexit
Cameron was looking after his billionaire buddies (and himself) when he called the referendum. Brexit was meant to happen . The billionaires pushed the anti eu agenda , because their hands were tied by eu trade laws.
Heard something recently. about the amount of food stuff now being brought into the uk that is being sprayed by chemicals and animals injected wirh all sorts , that was banned by the EU before Brexit. So , a lot of the food now is much worse and unhealthier. But you don't hear this on the bbc
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 20, 2023, 08:27:25 PM
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Quote from: trailer on June 20, 2023, 05:07:32 PM
I love him. He's accelerated a conversation on New Ireland that nobody has been able to do in 100 years. He will quite possibly be the most important character in the history of Ireland ever. Thank You Boris.
Possibly.
But at what cost?
The cost of living crisis we are in is in no small part down to brexit. How much misery has bee piled onto millions because of it and because of the lies told to get it over the line. .
Not the way I'd want to get a ui, but I take your point.
Cameron brought about the referendum for Brexit
Cameron was looking after his billionaire buddies (and himself) when he called the referendum. Brexit was meant to happen . The billionaires pushed the anti eu agenda , because their hands were tied by eu trade laws.
Heard something recently. about the amount of food stuff now being brought into the uk that is being sprayed by chemicals and animals injected wirh all sorts , that was banned by the EU before Brexit. So , a lot of the food now is much worse and unhealthier. But you don't hear this on the bbc
You'd need to put up a link for that stuff
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I love him. He's accelerated a conversation on New Ireland that nobody has been able to do in 100 years. He will quite possibly be the most important character in the history of Ireland ever. Thank You Boris.
Possibly.
But at what cost?
The cost of living crisis we are in is in no small part down to brexit. How much misery has bee piled onto millions because of it and because of the lies told to get it over the line. .
Not the way I'd want to get a ui, but I take your point.
Cameron brought about the referendum for Brexit
Cameron was looking after his billionaire buddies (and himself) when he called the referendum. Brexit was meant to happen . The billionaires pushed the anti eu agenda , because their hands were tied by eu trade laws.
Heard something recently. about the amount of food stuff now being brought into the uk that is being sprayed by chemicals and animals injected wirh all sorts , that was banned by the EU before Brexit. So , a lot of the food now is much worse and unhealthier. But you don't hear this on the bbc
I honestly don't think Cameron was interested in Brexit, and nor did he he expect it to succeed. I read it as a power play within the Tories. Had Brexit failed, he could have put manners on his backbenchers and concentrated on ruining the economy in more discreet ways.
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Quote from: AustinPowers on June 20, 2023, 10:14:37 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 20, 2023, 08:27:25 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 20, 2023, 08:01:42 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 20, 2023, 05:07:32 PM
I love him. He's accelerated a conversation on New Ireland that nobody has been able to do in 100 years. He will quite possibly be the most important character in the history of Ireland ever. Thank You Boris.
Possibly.
But at what cost?
The cost of living crisis we are in is in no small part down to brexit. How much misery has bee piled onto millions because of it and because of the lies told to get it over the line. .
Not the way I'd want to get a ui, but I take your point.
Cameron brought about the referendum for Brexit
Cameron was looking after his billionaire buddies (and himself) when he called the referendum. Brexit was meant to happen . The billionaires pushed the anti eu agenda , because their hands were tied by eu trade laws.
Heard something recently. about the amount of food stuff now being brought into the uk that is being sprayed by chemicals and animals injected wirh all sorts , that was banned by the EU before Brexit. So , a lot of the food now is much worse and unhealthier. But you don't hear this on the bbc
I honestly don't think Cameron was interested in Brexit, and nor did he he expect it to succeed. I read it as a power play within the Tories. Had Brexit failed, he could have put manners on his backbenchers and concentrated on ruining the economy in more discreet ways.
That's how I see it too
Sure he was out the gap the second it passed
Quote from: thewobbler on June 20, 2023, 10:39:07 PM
I honestly don't think Cameron was interested in Brexit, and nor did he he expect it to succeed. I read it as a power play within the Tories. Had Brexit failed, he could have put manners on his backbenchers and concentrated on ruining the economy in more discreet ways.
Cameron did not put the work in to make sure that the Brexit vote did not lead to Brexit.
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Quote from: thewobbler on June 20, 2023, 10:39:07 PM
I honestly don't think Cameron was interested in Brexit, and nor did he he expect it to succeed. I read it as a power play within the Tories. Had Brexit failed, he could have put manners on his backbenchers and concentrated on ruining the economy in more discreet ways.
Cameron did not put the work in to make sure that the Brexit vote did not lead to Brexit.
But could he really have been seen to be openly anti Brexit when his own party had motioned the bill?
He did seem to underestimate his own party's abilities to mobilise the masses through flag waving propaganda.
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Quote from: armaghniac on June 20, 2023, 11:04:59 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 20, 2023, 10:39:07 PM
I honestly don't think Cameron was interested in Brexit, and nor did he he expect it to succeed. I read it as a power play within the Tories. Had Brexit failed, he could have put manners on his backbenchers and concentrated on ruining the economy in more discreet ways.
Cameron did not put the work in to make sure that the Brexit vote did not lead to Brexit.
But could he really have been seen to be openly anti Brexit when his own party had motioned the bill?
He did seem to underestimate his own party's abilities to mobilise the masses through flag waving propaganda.
The bill was for the referendum. He could not afford for Brexit to pass either, as he now looks like an eejit. There was a pro business element in the Tories that he could have mobilised and he should have sent Theresa Villiers to Pitcairn and put someone in the NI office that could point out the realities.
I think they were all surprised when Brexit went through. While I do think there were many nefarious people in the background pushing for it I'm not sure Cameron was one of them.
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Quote from: trailer on June 20, 2023, 05:07:32 PM
I love him. He's accelerated a conversation on New Ireland that nobody has been able to do in 100 years. He will quite possibly be the most important character in the history of Ireland ever. Thank You Boris.
Possibly.
But at what cost?
The cost of living crisis we are in is in no small part down to brexit. How much misery has bee piled onto millions because of it and because of the lies told to get it over the line. .
Not the way I'd want to get a ui, but I take your point.
That's true but would middle of the road Nats vote for a UI when the UK was healthy and part of the EU? I don't think they would have. The pain has made people really think about their and their families futures. I know I have.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 20, 2023, 10:39:07 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 20, 2023, 10:14:37 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 20, 2023, 08:27:25 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 20, 2023, 08:01:42 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 20, 2023, 05:07:32 PM
I love him. He's accelerated a conversation on New Ireland that nobody has been able to do in 100 years. He will quite possibly be the most important character in the history of Ireland ever. Thank You Boris.
Possibly.
But at what cost?
The cost of living crisis we are in is in no small part down to brexit. How much misery has bee piled onto millions because of it and because of the lies told to get it over the line. .
Not the way I'd want to get a ui, but I take your point.
Cameron brought about the referendum for Brexit
Cameron was looking after his billionaire buddies (and himself) when he called the referendum. Brexit was meant to happen . The billionaires pushed the anti eu agenda , because their hands were tied by eu trade laws.
Heard something recently. about the amount of food stuff now being brought into the uk that is being sprayed by chemicals and animals injected wirh all sorts , that was banned by the EU before Brexit. So , a lot of the food now is much worse and unhealthier. But you don't hear this on the bbc
I honestly don't think Cameron was interested in Brexit, and nor did he he expect it to succeed. I read it as a power play within the Tories. Had Brexit failed, he could have put manners on his backbenchers and concentrated on ruining the economy in more discreet ways.
Cameron called the referendum to finally shut up the backbenchers and secure his leadership. It backfired spectacularly. He was hoping for at least another 5-7 years as PM. He was gone the morning after the vote.
Not sure what else to put this...
I see Michelle Mone has had 75 million of her assets frozen. This ties in with Johnson / tory corruption and hopefully they catch a lot more at this...