Lots of chips on shoulders with the anti Brolly brigade, especially from counties against whom he has had a go, which is quite a few admittedly, including his own. Wouldn't matter what he did or said.
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Margaret Ritchie to enter the lords. Jesus wept, I know the SDLP are sore at having no MP's and I know that she has technically resigned. But HTF on principle can any Irish Nationalist join the lords?
Hardly a surprise;
Margaret still taking the soup.
Typical stoop. Brits wave a wee bauble or bit of ermine their way and they're bowing and scraping. A failed politician who claims she will represent nationakists in Lords. She can fcuk right off
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Given that an MEP will do zero to advance the case of Nationalism or Unionism does anyone want to make the case why there 1st preference will be the top performer in the role if elected?
SDLP are part of PES who have been vocal on a range of issues but importantly, migrant issues and workers rights. They also fully believe in the European project.
Others sit with Marxists and Communists. That's for them to explain.
All accepted and Colum could hold his own. Don't think he is in Long's league plus Alliance's group whilst smaller is the power broker in the current parliament under Verhofstadt (that could change) and the Uk representation of that group is likely to increase with the remain vote going to Lib Dems. We need our voice inside that group
You "Don't think he is in Long's league". Wha? I would be interested to hear what you might say to support that. Both articulate their party position in engaging ways, with Long for me maybe being a bit preachy.
In debate I would consider Long superior. Whilst ultimately that is subjective I would consider in the round, her calmness, articulacy and ability to react intelligently to live events.
In instinct I would judge her more politically savvy. She is managing an upward trajectory. Colin isn't flying. At best he is falling with style. His failure to grasp Mike TV's initiative, the Fianna Fáil fudgy thing, the failure to grasp the electoral importance of Hanna and the lack of clear positions on some key areas can all be cited.
In resilience I would judge Long to be superior. The shinners are gunning (in the metaphorical sense) for Colum and they don't give him an easy ride. This is nothing compared to what Long personally and Alliance generally have to withstand from PUL intelligentsia
Anyway I would be interested to hear what you might say to support your claim that Long is preachy?
As you say, there is an element of subjectiveness about comparing Long and Eastwood or most politiians. I certainly don't consider her a better debater. He has the abilities that you attribute to her. I don't recall him being any less calm than her. He's no less articulate and, for me, quicker with the witicisms.
Her party leader role is much easier than his. He inherited a party in decline, then a political situation going into decline. There is a bit of a mood of "one is as bad as the others" viz nationalists and unionists, hence Alliance get an easy ride for being agnostic about nationality. I don't want the person who represents me to be agnostic. I am a nationalist and I want someone to articulate that. Not in a way that denigrates unionists, or seeks to raise tensions, or tells them their days are numbered. For me Alliance is a bit of "whatever you are having yourself", which is an easy position to play.
On the preachy - here's an example. Friday 11th May there was a debate on RU involving Eastwood, Long and Jim Allister. At the offset there was a discussion between Eastwood and Allister about how much NI gets from the EU (Eastwood) and how much UK puts in (Allister). They both emphasised their points. First comment from Long was "here we go, Punch and Judy politics". We know she means, "we are above this arguing from the great unwashed like you". For then on, her and Allister had a ding dong. I don't want my political reps to not challenge Allister, the opposite in fact. That is what Eastwood did, but not in an ignorant or uncouth way, but stridently. I was a bit pissed off at her sanctimonious, holier-than-thou attitude, which seems to be her MO.
I agree with a lot of this. Can't comment on the RU debate that I didn't hear. I completely disagree with 2 points though.
Alliance do not get an easy ride. The Twitter responses to Long can be dismissed as keyboard warrior stuff but they give an insight into the vitriol Alliance can and do face. That on occasion is manifested physically. It's a very Belfast thing but Alliance's presence has been very Belfast focused but is starting to change
Secondly I cannot agree that as a nationalist that you need to represented by a nationalist on roads, education, tax, economics, health etc etc etc. Alliance are not a case of "whatever you are heaving yourself" and more a case of "can you leave your baggage at the door and deal with the unrelated issue on its merits ". This is where every party should be.
I will transfer to Colum as a determined proEU candidate. I will give him more respect when his party takes on issues like standing up to the shinners on local councils in the way Alliance did to loyalist in Belfast and beyond
Quote from: smelmoth on May 23, 2019, 09:11:53 AMQuote from: currychip on May 22, 2019, 03:57:38 PMQuote from: smelmoth on May 22, 2019, 01:53:08 PMQuote from: trailer on May 22, 2019, 12:51:46 PMQuote from: smelmoth on May 22, 2019, 12:14:44 PM
Given that an MEP will do zero to advance the case of Nationalism or Unionism does anyone want to make the case why there 1st preference will be the top performer in the role if elected?
SDLP are part of PES who have been vocal on a range of issues but importantly, migrant issues and workers rights. They also fully believe in the European project.
Others sit with Marxists and Communists. That's for them to explain.
All accepted and Colum could hold his own. Don't think he is in Long's league plus Alliance's group whilst smaller is the power broker in the current parliament under Verhofstadt (that could change) and the Uk representation of that group is likely to increase with the remain vote going to Lib Dems. We need our voice inside that group
You "Don't think he is in Long's league". Wha? I would be interested to hear what you might say to support that. Both articulate their party position in engaging ways, with Long for me maybe being a bit preachy.
In debate I would consider Long superior. Whilst ultimately that is subjective I would consider in the round, her calmness, articulacy and ability to react intelligently to live events.
In instinct I would judge her more politically savvy. She is managing an upward trajectory. Colin isn't flying. At best he is falling with style. His failure to grasp Mike TV's initiative, the Fianna Fáil fudgy thing, the failure to grasp the electoral importance of Hanna and the lack of clear positions on some key areas can all be cited.
In resilience I would judge Long to be superior. The shinners are gunning (in the metaphorical sense) for Colum and they don't give him an easy ride. This is nothing compared to what Long personally and Alliance generally have to withstand from PUL intelligentsia
Anyway I would be interested to hear what you might say to support your claim that Long is preachy?
Quote from: smelmoth on May 22, 2019, 01:53:08 PMQuote from: trailer on May 22, 2019, 12:51:46 PMQuote from: smelmoth on May 22, 2019, 12:14:44 PM
Given that an MEP will do zero to advance the case of Nationalism or Unionism does anyone want to make the case why there 1st preference will be the top performer in the role if elected?
SDLP are part of PES who have been vocal on a range of issues but importantly, migrant issues and workers rights. They also fully believe in the European project.
Others sit with Marxists and Communists. That's for them to explain.
All accepted and Colum could hold his own. Don't think he is in Long's league plus Alliance's group whilst smaller is the power broker in the current parliament under Verhofstadt (that could change) and the Uk representation of that group is likely to increase with the remain vote going to Lib Dems. We need our voice inside that group
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Co-opting. Jobs for the boys/girls. If you're a good little boy or girl and do what the Felon's club tells you, you'll get a cushey MLA number.
Or the Durkans in Derry or Dallats in Causeway or the Paisleys, Poots and Robinsons etc. etc....all the same in every political party.
It's definitely not the same in every political party.
I see there is an issue with postal votes for the European elections in NI. Be interesting to see if this has an effect on percentage vote share....
It's exactly the same in most political parties - co-opted or standinging for the first time.
Durkan in Derry...mmmm...nepotism and all the rest, Maskeys in Belfast, Poots and Robinsons in Belfast. Family name means a lot on the poster regardless.
Last sentence is probably true but that's democracy. Co opting is not the same is it? The electorate don't have role to play in co opting do they?
A Durkan in Foyleside? As good as co-opting.
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Let me tell you defenders of this crap something else. There will be no united Ireland without a proportion of current day unionists supporting it. We have that opportunity now due to the calamity of Brexit. United Ireland might make some financial/economic sense to middle ground unionists. The old guard in Republican circles are put out to pasture which makes it a bit easier to do for them too. Things are moving into place. And then you have a total f**king moron like this guy doing this. Unionists need to see that there losses will be respected in any new republic. Anyone who calls themselves a republican should understand that.
Sinn Fein leadership need to toss this fool out on his hole and show that while Arlene and her cronies have no shame, republicans will deal with this stuff. I am ashamed to see so many republicans defending this and reverting to "whataboutery" as a defense. Anyone who questions it is a free stater etc etc. Cop the f**k on.
What is important is balance and I think it's very relevant that those Free Staters who come on to express their outrage here are usually the same ones mentioned when it comes to commenting on the disgusting behaviour and obstruction of justice of the establishment parties in their own state.
Play the ball not the man
I've made my comments on this matter. I'm just pointing out the selective outrage from free staters, but there seems to be an agenda to quell this being pointed out.
You know what outrages all free staters? Tell me have I selective outrage too. Curious as to your assessment of this free stater.