The Many Faces of US Politics...

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J70

Let's say Trump barricaded the southern border completely. How would that have stopped coronavirus?

People have been flying in from European countries with no impediments until this week. Right now, there's tonnes of stories going around of people, particularly returning citizens, waltzing in with no screening at all. And that's right now in the midst of a growing pandemic.

And even the rollout of screening at certain airports this weekend was a disaster, with people waiting TEN HOURS to get out of the airport due to a complete failure to properly prepare and staff the checkpoints.

five points

Quote from: J70 on March 16, 2020, 03:50:29 PM
Let's say Trump barricaded the southern border completely. How would that have stopped coronavirus?

Trump will easily bat away questions like that. The Democrats' support for open borders extended wider than Mexico. And Coronavirus started in China.

LeoMc

Quote from: J70 on March 16, 2020, 03:50:29 PM
Let's say Trump barricaded the southern border completely. How would that have stopped coronavirus?

People have been flying in from European countries with no impediments until this week. Right now, there's tonnes of stories going around of people, particularly returning citizens, waltzing in with no screening at all. And that's right now in the midst of a growing pandemic.

And even the rollout of screening at certain airports this weekend was a disaster, with people waiting TEN HOURS to get out of the airport due to a complete failure to properly prepare and staff the checkpoints.
All it would take would be 1 infected carrier in that queue and you would be screening and waving through hundreds of asymptomatic carriers.

J70

Quote from: five points on March 16, 2020, 03:59:05 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 16, 2020, 03:50:29 PM
Let's say Trump barricaded the southern border completely. How would that have stopped coronavirus?

Trump will easily bat away questions like that. The Democrats' support for open borders extended wider than Mexico. And Coronavirus started in China.

No he won't.

Supposed "open borders" have nothing to do with coronavirus. You could have zero undocumented or illegal movement across the entire planet and a virus like this would still spread rapidly.

J70

Quote from: LeoMc on March 16, 2020, 04:02:38 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 16, 2020, 03:50:29 PM
Let's say Trump barricaded the southern border completely. How would that have stopped coronavirus?

People have been flying in from European countries with no impediments until this week. Right now, there's tonnes of stories going around of people, particularly returning citizens, waltzing in with no screening at all. And that's right now in the midst of a growing pandemic.

And even the rollout of screening at certain airports this weekend was a disaster, with people waiting TEN HOURS to get out of the airport due to a complete failure to properly prepare and staff the checkpoints.
All it would take would be 1 infected carrier in that queue and you would be screening and waving through hundreds of asymptomatic carriers.

Which almost certainly happened.

And was pointed out by numerous people who were interviewed while waiting.

Gmac

Joe can't hold up in a debate with trump he might think it's 1960 again and ask him behind the bike shed for a fight , if the virus turns out to be less than the disaster people are predicting he will use it to say his measures worked whether it's true or not , the result depends on how things shake out in Next few months, the trump presidency is over headline is on its about fiftieth go around now I'll believe it when it happens.

five points

Quote from: J70 on March 16, 2020, 04:06:51 PM
Supposed "open borders" have nothing to do with coronavirus.

One word: China

J70


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Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 13, 2020, 08:04:29 PM
Okay, sorry for the mishap with the last one, I've fixed it below, and the latest odds are at the bottom:

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Delegate count:
Buttigieg 22
Sanders 21
Warren 8
Klobuchar 7
Biden 6
Bloomberg 0

Betting odds for 2020 winner:

Trump 8/13
Sanders 4/1
Bloomberg 9/1
Biden 20/1

Bloomberg took a hiding last night. He was like a duck out of water. Warren obliterated him. Will be interesting to see how that affects the polling numbers over the next few days, and if his high burn rate can take the bad look off it. I just wish he'd get out of the race and put his money into something useful like flipping the 4 senate seats we're going to need.
Odds update:
Trump: 8/13
Sanders: 7/2 (3.5/1)
Bloomberg: 8/1
Biden: 22/1

Bernie's odds moving in the right direction. Biden, not so much.

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 1/1
Bloomberg: 4/1
Buttigieg:8/1
Biden: 9/1

Update:
Delegate count:
Sanders 31
Buttigieg 22
Warren 8
Biden 8
Klobuchar 7
Bloomberg 0

2020 winner:
Trump: 8/13
Sanders: 3/1
Bloomberg: 10/1
Biden: 25/1

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 5/6
Bloomberg: 4/1
Buttigieg:11/1
Biden: 11/1

Interesting that Chrome still thinks "Buttigieg" is a typo.

2020 winner:
Trump: 8/13
Sanders: 29/10 (2.9/1)
Bloomberg: 10/1
Biden: 28/1

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 4/5
Bloomberg: 4/1
Biden: 10/1
Buttigieg:12/1

2020 winner:
Trump: 8/13
Sanders: 3/1
Bloomberg: 12/1
Biden: 12/1

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 10/11
Biden: 4/1
Bloomberg: 11/2
Buttigieg:20/1

Bloomberg and Buttigeig getting it tight.

Bernie's odds are slipping slightly in the general election, but he's still the favourite to get the nomination.

2020 winner:
Trump: 8/13
Sanders: 10/3 (3.3/1)
Biden: 9/1
Bloomberg: 12/1

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 10/11
Biden: 13/4
Bloomberg: 6/1
Buttigieg:20/1

This stock market crash might throw a spanner in the works. It was this kind of October surprise that worked in Obama's favor in 2008 when "the fundamentals of our economy [were] strong" until they weren't. Trump might cruise to reelection if the economy stays strong, but the coronavirus could change all that.

Get in there Bernie!

Delegate count:
Sanders: 58
Biden: 50
Buttigeig: 26 (I wonder what happens to delegates after a candidate pulls out)
Warren: 8
Klobuchar: 7

2020 winner:
Trump: 4/6
Sanders: 3/1
Biden: 13/2 (6.5/1)
Bloomberg: 16/1

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 1/1
Biden: 5/2
Bloomberg: 7/1
Hillary Clinton(!): 33/1

This is the first we've seen Trump's odds moving in a while. Could be the coronavirus effect. Damned if I know why they're showing odds for Hillary instead of the likes of Warren or Klobuchar who are actually in the race.

Delegate count:
Biden 664
Sanders 573

2020 winner:
Trump: 4/5
Biden: 13/8 (1.6/1)
Sanders: 16/1

Democratic candidate:
Biden: 1/7
Sanders: 9/1

2020 winner:
Trump: 10/11
Biden: 6/4
Sanders: 18/1

Democratic candidate:
Biden: 1/8
Sanders: 9/1

Trump getting it tight. Looking good for Biden if these odds keep moving the way they are. If he puts Warren on his ticket as VP, that should pick up enough Bernie supporters in November. This could be the light at the end of the tunnel.

Delegate count:
Biden 664
Sanders 573

2020 winner:
Trump: 4/5
Biden: 13/8 (1.6/1)
Sanders: 16/1

Democratic candidate:
Biden: 1/7
Sanders: 9/1
Delegate count:
Biden 857
Sanders 709

2020 winner:
Trump: 10/11 (1/1.1)
Biden: 13/10 (1.3/1)
Sanders: No longer in the top 4

Democratic candidate:
Biden: 1/14
Sanders: 40/1

2020 winner:
Trump: 1/1
Biden: 15/13
Sanders: 50/1
Deval Patrick: 50/1

Democratic candidate:
Biden: 1/16
Sanders: 33/1

The trend is unmistakable.

2020 winner:
Trump: 11/10
Biden: 11/10
Sanders: 33/1
Deval Patrick: 33/1

Democratic candidate:
Biden: 1/12
Sanders: 25/1

Game over for Trump, it seems. Although it's a long way to November, but I'm not sure how he can come back from this. He can't lie or spin his way out of this. Not even Fox News can help him when the dead start piling up.

From what I saw of the debate it looked like Bernie was knocking it out of the park while Joe was wandering off into the weeds.  Still, Bernie seems to be getting it tight now.

2020 winner:
Trump: 11/10
Biden: 11/10
Mike Pence: 33/1
Sanders: 40/1

Democratic candidate:
Biden: 1/12
Sanders: 40/1

Funny old game.

J70

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Quote from: Gmac on March 16, 2020, 04:44:09 PM
Joe can't hold up in a debate with trump he might think it's 1960 again and ask him behind the bike shed for a fight , if the virus turns out to be less than the disaster people are predicting he will use it to say his measures worked whether it's true or not , the result depends on how things shake out in Next few months, the trump presidency is over headline is on its about fiftieth go around now I'll believe it when it happens.

What you cannot deny right now is that the whole is moving forward despite him.

States are acting, cities are acting, companies are acting, sports organizations are acting.

Almost all we've had from Trump is first denial and conspiracy, blame shifting and attempts to take false credit. He gets contradicted by his staff, then jumps in and contradicts them and later, makes them sing his praises on camera like they were victims in a hostage video. He is getting upstaged by Dr. Fauci on a daily basis.

People listen to Fauci. No one is listening to Trump for anything worthwhile on this problem.

What should absolutely be a campaign video is that presser where he openly and brazenly admitted that he didn't want the cruise ship to dock because it would spoil the numbers for him. As if those poor people weren't real until they left the boat and stood on shore and all that really mattered was optics and appearance for Trump, not the problems of actual people.

But that's par for the course for him.

seafoid

It looks like Trump is finished.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

whitey

Quote from: seafoid on March 16, 2020, 06:29:07 PM
It looks like Trump is finished.

I wouldn't pop the champagne quite yet. He's like a vampire

seafoid

Quote from: whitey on March 16, 2020, 06:39:17 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 16, 2020, 06:29:07 PM
It looks like Trump is finished.

I wouldn't pop the champagne quite yet. He's like a vampire

Coronavirus will kill a lot of Evangelicals.
None of the preachers will be saying Trump was sent by God.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Muck Savage

Quote from: seafoid on March 16, 2020, 08:23:06 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 16, 2020, 06:39:17 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 16, 2020, 06:29:07 PM
It looks like Trump is finished.

I wouldn't pop the champagne quite yet. He's like a vampire

Coronavirus will kill a lot of Evangelicals.
None of the preachers will be saying Trump was sent by God.

He's looking at buying votes with $1K in everyones pocket!

J70

Quote from: Muck Savage on March 17, 2020, 05:52:42 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 16, 2020, 08:23:06 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 16, 2020, 06:39:17 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 16, 2020, 06:29:07 PM
It looks like Trump is finished.

I wouldn't pop the champagne quite yet. He's like a vampire

Coronavirus will kill a lot of Evangelicals.
None of the preachers will be saying Trump was sent by God.

He's looking at buying votes with $1K in everyones pocket!

At least he is now finally starting to take this whole mess seriously.

Cuomo has been a star here in NY so far. Decisive and taking responsibility for his decisions.