11th night bonfires

Started by Fear Boirche, June 20, 2007, 11:03:19 AM

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seafoid

Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on July 14, 2017, 02:33:51 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on July 14, 2017, 02:13:50 PM
Its a complete disgrace, but maybe this is the start of the dampners being put on the bonfire, if this gains any traction.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-40607144

It's about time. Thankfully it wasn't as a result of a Grenfell Tower situation. These big bonfires have gone unchallenged for far too long. If you want a big f**k off bonfire go an build it in the middle of nowhere where it doesn't impact anyone (tyres and all that aside). No one is stopping them doing that. But when it encroaches onto public property or private residences such as this and the taxpayer is left to pick up the tab then enough is enough. However godforbid that anyone should speak out about this as you are instantly an oppressor of the Protestant people and denying them their culture, which btw is not culture in any man or womans book. Time is horsesh1t was called out for what it is.
Those areas are mostly west of the Bann which is full of Fenians
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU


red hander

Quote from: Owen Brannigan on July 15, 2017, 02:15:56 PM
A good article from the editor of the Newsletter:

http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/opinion/ben-lowry-bonfires-can-be-a-fine-spectacle-but-unionists-should-have-spoken-out-about-the-risks-1-8057649

He's the deputy editor, don't promote the odious little twat any higher above his current station. A posh north Down bigot who wouldn't be seen dead in Sandy Row any other day of the year. Don't be fooled by the faux moderate tone, it is merely an attempt to deflect from the atrocious online poll that rag ran on Thursday (no doubt driven by Lowry) which asked the question: Was Arlene Foster right to condemn the placing of an effigy of Martin McGuinness on an Eleventh Night bonfire?

6th sam

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Quote from: Owen Brannigan on July 15, 2017, 02:15:56 PM
A good article from the editor of the Newsletter:

http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/opinion/ben-lowry-bonfires-can-be-a-fine-spectacle-but-unionists-should-have-spoken-out-about-the-risks-1-8057649

It's far from a "good article"
It mainly focuses on health and safety.
Politicians seem to be focussing on H&S also, and whereas safety is obviouly a serious issue, it's only part of the problem.
The "culture" of
Orangeism and it's sideshows , is the core problem.
It's pathological , aggressive, and unneighbourly to want to celebrate widely and frequently, the perceived victory of Protestantism over Catholicism/irishness from over 300 years ago. It stinks of domination tied up in sectarianism and anti-Irish racism. It should be unacceptable in any civilised democracy.
I would strongly promote protecting and respecting positive British culture, including Ulster Scots heritage and music, but it's unacceptable to try to Normalise the annual celebrating beating the neighbours , Which is by its very nature negative and aggressive. The civil and religious liberty argument baffles me....is there much evidence that protestants have been prevented from practicing their religion in recent years. Given that Protestantism is Christian , surely the annual hatred associated with the marching season , is in total conflict to those Christian values?
I watched some of the linfield v Celtic match yesterday and then read a BBC ( state broadcaster) report which minimised the hatred surrounding the fixture. Booing from start to finish, with special emphasis on the likes of Scott Sinclair (black), Johnny Hayes ( Irish) . The reference to Scott Sinclair on the bonfire last week, perhaps reminds us of the problem caused by apologists here. I remember Such references to bananas being beyond the pale 40 years ago in English football , yet the response here to such racism , and indeed the  throwing of buckfast bottles at players , was muted . In fact it was suggested  that such behaviour also occurs in the Manchester derby.
The vast majority of the Protestant/unionist population in the north are appalled by this nonsense but are often afraid to speak out. They continue to vote  for unionist politicians however, as understandably they  value their Britishness and sense of identity.
We need real leaders on both sides , backed by Dublin and London , to challenge this  aggressive summer nonsense once and for all, and both legislate and enforce to try and bring us into line with most civilised societies.
And also spare us the false narrative that it's 50:50. Any similar behaviour on the "Irish side" should be met with equal vigour, but let's be honest most of the nonsense is coming from one direction. Portraying it as "6 of one, half a dozen of the other" is a fallacy . Whilst republicans should quite rightly be expected to reflect on their contribution to conflict and particularly the impact of the IRA campaign on their unionist neighbours, unionists must admit that the annual hatred associated with the marching season is unacceptable, and they must be pro-active in changing all negative aspects of this culture.

armaghniac

If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

GJL

Willy Frazier.

QuoteIts entirely expected and acceptable that an effigy of a man who was directly and indirectly responsible for the deaths and torture of hundreds of citizens and the repeated bombing of many towns is placed on a bonfire. I simply wont say this was wrong, it happens all over the world with hate figures. McGuinness was a terrorist godfather, he wasn't just an ordinary Catholic, he was a man of extreme hate who's actions will continue to bring tears to a great many for many more years to come.

StGallsGAA

+1.  As Cardinal O'Fiaich pointed out 99% of the bigotry comes from one section of the community.

imtommygunn

What we certainly need is less politicians like that emma pengelly whatever you call her. Vile individual.

Sure it's grand. Bit of fun. Insurance will cover the damage ???


Wildweasel74

What we certainly need is less politicians like that emma pengelly whatever you call her. Vile individual.

Think Sinn Fein can take the blame for that lovely person getting in, between this and the flags in estates, she already showed what she all about

6th sam

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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 15, 2017, 07:09:24 PM
What we certainly need is less politicians like that emma pengelly whatever you call her. Vile individual.

Think Sinn Fein can take the blame for that lovely person getting in, between this and the flags in estates, she already showed what she all about

With all due respect it serves no-one well distracting from the core issue. Emma Pengelly secured her seat , apparently on the back of her fully mobilising the loyalist vote(for obvious reasons) . The implication that Mairtín Ó'Muilleoir should have stepped aside to give Alastair McDonald a free-run, is an unfair assessment in that it would be viewed as a pan-nationalist front and would have mobilised a pan-unionist front. I think the future will involve those parties that favour equality and respect being brave enough to form an alliance. The biggest barrier to that happening is that apparently some in the SDLP have more antagonism towards Sinn Fein, than towards extreme unionism !

Owen Brannigan

Quote from: 6th sam on July 15, 2017, 10:07:01 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 15, 2017, 07:09:24 PM
What we certainly need is less politicians like that emma pengelly whatever you call her. Vile individual.

Think Sinn Fein can take the blame for that lovely person getting in, between this and the flags in estates, she already showed what she all about

With all due respect it serves no-one well distracting from the core issue. Emma Pengelly secured her seat , apparently on the back of her fully mobilising the loyalist vote(for obvious reasons) . The implication that Mairtín Ó'Muilleoir should have stepped aside to give Alastair McDonald a free-run, is an unfair assessment in that it would be viewed as a pan-nationalist front and would have mobilised a pan-unionist front. I think the future will involve those parties that favour equality and respect being brave enough to form an alliance. The biggest barrier to that happening is that apparently some in the SDLP have more antagonism towards Sinn Fein, than towards extreme unionism !

That is a mutual antagonism.  SF want to remove SDLP as a political entity and SDLP wants to survive.

Wildweasel74

The reality is Sinn Fein worried more about their patch and would do anything possible to push the SDLP out and is quite happy to be dealing with the extreme DUP on the other side, both tried their best to sink the moderate parties back in the late 90`s early 00`s to the point all when f**k all gets done.

6th sam

Quote from: Owen Brannigan on July 15, 2017, 11:08:50 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on July 15, 2017, 10:07:01 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 15, 2017, 07:09:24 PM
What we certainly need is less politicians like that emma pengelly whatever you call her. Vile individual.

Think Sinn Fein can take the blame for that lovely person getting in, between this and the flags in estates, she already showed what she all about

With all due respect it serves no-one well distracting from the core issue. Emma Pengelly secured her seat , apparently on the back of her fully mobilising the loyalist vote(for obvious reasons) . The implication that Mairtín Ó'Muilleoir should have stepped aside to give Alastair McDonald a free-run, is an unfair assessment in that it would be viewed as a pan-nationalist front and would have mobilised a pan-unionist front. I think the future will involve those parties that favour equality and respect being brave enough to form an alliance. The biggest barrier to that happening is that apparently some in the SDLP have more antagonism towards Sinn Fein, than towards extreme unionism !

That is a mutual antagonism.  SF want to remove SDLP as a political entity and SDLP wants to survive.
The Sdlp were the architects of the peace process and Martin mcguinness delivered Sinn féin. The British government dragged unionism kicking and screaming into the process. But that was 20 years ago. The landscape has changed. An All-Island solution is now inevitable. The big question for the Sdlp is can they once again put a better future for all before party political interests . Are they prepared to drive a equality/respect agenda to challenge the unionist parties, as opposed to the continued antagonism towards sinn féin from some in their party?

Owen Brannigan

At what stage did SF decide to put country or even its people before party? The issue for SDLP is to decide who it represents and what they want that gives the party a distinctive characteristic which sets it apart from others. Good article in Saturday's Irish News by Patrick Murphy in which he describes 3 options for SDLP. They can slowly die, rebrand or merge and in two these they disappear. However, in these two they leave a significant number of the electorate, both voting and non-voting supporters, without representation.

Rossfan

Apart from being not SF, what is the SDLP and that "significant number if the electorate"  for?
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM