2018 Joe McDonagh Cup

Started by Mossy Bruce, March 20, 2018, 11:24:55 PM

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blueandwhite1

The stark truth today was that we weren't within an asses roar of Carlow any aspect of the game. Physicality, skill, pace, organization, hunger, teamwork, belief or fitness.

No doubt the management can take the blame for many of the failings of the team but that is not the only problem we have. Hard to believe we have the hurlers that will push things forward. On today's evidence they just are not there. We can say we were missing a few but the hurlers on the field today didn't have the skill to play intercounty hurling at McDonagh level, forget about division 1 or Leinster championship. They might be grand playing club hurling at a slower pace in Laois but when the chips are down at inter county level they look like they are in slow motion.

Carlow gave an exhibition today in movement, catching, passing and winning dirty ball. They were far more than 10 points the better team. They were efficient with the ball where as we seem to lose more than 50% of any possession we win.

We are going backwards fast. A new manager will give some impetus and get the powers that be off the hook but we are in real trouble. Hurling development in Laois is not working.

portlaoisekid

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Quote from: blueandwhite1 on June 02, 2018, 09:29:43 PM
The stark truth today was that we weren't within an asses roar of Carlow any aspect of the game. Physicality, skill, pace, organization, hunger, teamwork, belief or fitness.

No doubt the management can take the blame for many of the failings of the team but that is not the only problem we have. Hard to believe we have the hurlers that will push things forward. On today's evidence they just are not there. We can say we were missing a few but the hurlers on the field today didn't have the skill to play intercounty hurling at McDonagh level, forget about division 1 or Leinster championship. They might be grand playing club hurling at a slower pace in Laois but when the chips are down at inter county level they look like they are in slow motion.

Carlow gave an exhibition today in movement, catching, passing and winning dirty ball. They were far more than 10 points the better team. They were efficient with the ball where as we seem to lose more than 50% of any possession we win.

We are going backwards fast. A new manager will give some impetus and get the powers that be off the hook but we are in real trouble. Hurling development in Laois is not working.
Great post and sums it up perfectly.

Laois hurling is a reaping what it has sown, the Cb are about to get what they always wanted in terms of wanting a footballing only county. Getting rid of cheddar was removing the last impediment to achieving this , well done lads.

Don Draper

Quote from: finbar o tool on June 02, 2018, 04:14:39 PM
Kelly Out!
You've done f**king neck after what you used say about Cheddar. Here's the new dawn you wanted. Enjoy it.

redsetanta

Felt sorry for Matthew Whelan today. still waiting for his day in Croke Park. Was one of the first back to the dressing room. Bit of a shambles today. We looked fairly clueless but can play much better. If/When Kelly goes we have to get a Laois man to get the passion back.
The real glory is being knocked to your knees and then coming back. That's real glory. VinceLombardi

Mossy Bruce

Quote from: redsetanta on June 03, 2018, 01:36:49 AM
... When Kelly goes we have to get a Laois man to get the passion back.

I was just thinking the same.

It's a little easier to stomach any lost match when the manager and team have genuine passion. (And their will probably be fewer losses.)
LAOIS! LAOIS! LAOIS!

finbar o tool

Quote from: Don Draper on June 02, 2018, 11:18:04 PM
Quote from: finbar o tool on June 02, 2018, 04:14:39 PM
Kelly Out!
You've done f**king neck after what you used say about Cheddar. Here's the new dawn you wanted. Enjoy it.

;D you sound so ridiculous
An amateur requires a personal commitment that money cannot buy

finbar o tool

Quote from: Mossy Bruce on June 03, 2018, 01:48:18 AM
Quote from: redsetanta on June 03, 2018, 01:36:49 AM
... When Kelly goes we have to get a Laois man to get the passion back.

I was just thinking the same.

It's a little easier to stomach any lost match when the manager and team have genuine passion. (And their will probably be fewer losses.)

Dont agree. We get a good manager, thats what we aim for. If they be from Laois thats great, if not, doesnt matter. Colm Bonnar isnt a Carlow man yet Carlow can play with heart, passion, brains, they are well coached and know what they want to do when they have the ball. Kelly is a spoofer. Dare i say the S word again, but we had a sweeper system in place again, against Carlow, and we were behind at the time!! Everyone is entitled to their opinion on the best way to play etc, but i dont believe for a second, that we are not good enough to go out and attack and have a plan of attack, and have a go against the likes of Carlow. I believe the players trust themselves to do better than sit back and invite Carlow to attack. I think moral has to be low with that carry on. Yes we have a young team, weve had retirements blah blah blah, but the talent we have is good enough for a Joe McDonagh final. Thats my opinion. They aren't being managed correctly. Stevie Wonder could see that.
An amateur requires a personal commitment that money cannot buy

Don Draper

We all know you have the vision of a Stevie Wonder when it comes to Lapis hurling, you treacherous gurrier.

finbar o tool

Quote from: Don Draper on June 03, 2018, 01:40:10 PM
We all know you have the vision of a Stevie Wonder when it comes to Lapis hurling, you treacherous gurrier.

Another fantastic contribution, thanks Don! Work on the spelling though!
An amateur requires a personal commitment that money cannot buy

Don Draper

Quote from: finbar o tool on June 03, 2018, 02:45:40 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on June 03, 2018, 01:40:10 PM
We all know you have the vision of a Stevie Wonder when it comes to Lapis hurling, you treacherous gurrier.

Another fantastic contribution, thanks Don! Work on the spelling though!
You're some stook all the same

Keyser Söze

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHq-RpFVgyI

Look at the date.
Almost 5 years to the day.

Jesus wept.
Congrats to our County Board and others. One more result in your favour next weekend and you can probably begin the process of winding down hurling.

Compare Cheddar's vision here with the likes of Turlough below in Carlow who is just delighted to have a bit of a personal profile. Cheddar, immediately after a massive performance that was a huge personal achievement, immediately looking towards the long term future of Laois hurling.

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled.......

Tobias

Its very sad.
For the on millionth time we need a long term plan for laois hurling. It doesn't matter who we put in as senior Manager...whats the best thing that can happen in the short term?
We could win the McDonagh cup but will we ever actually improve enough to be able to beat some of the bigger teams one day? Not a hope with the way we are going so the conversation right now should not be about who is going to be the next manager of the senior hurlers.
The conversation should be about a future plan for laois hurling that will have us in a position in ten years time that when we play a Wexford or Dublin that we genuinely have a chance of winning.
Our under14 team beat kilkenny last year in the tony forrestal, is there any system in place for those guys to be helped in their development. Who is monitoring these guys progress, are we providing them with incentives to continue their progression as laois hurlers or will they be allowed to fall away like so many others that have gone before them?
We had minor and under21 teams in leinster finals in the past 5-6 years, how many of them have improved as players since then? We comfortably beat Offaly at minor level 3 or 4 years in a row but Offaly have gotten more senior hurlers from their teams, why?

Its not working lads, a long term solution is required!!
First thing id do? Move mountains to get Cheddar as director of Laois hurling. There's a start.

Don Draper

We burnt Cheddar out, and for what? So pricks like Finbar Toole could chip away at home from behind their printers. How about someone else step up.

finbar o tool

Quote from: Tobias on June 04, 2018, 05:18:28 AM
Its very sad.
For the on millionth time we need a long term plan for laois hurling. It doesn't matter who we put in as senior Manager...whats the best thing that can happen in the short term?
We could win the McDonagh cup but will we ever actually improve enough to be able to beat some of the bigger teams one day? Not a hope with the way we are going so the conversation right now should not be about who is going to be the next manager of the senior hurlers.
The conversation should be about a future plan for laois hurling that will have us in a position in ten years time that when we play a Wexford or Dublin that we genuinely have a chance of winning.
Our under14 team beat kilkenny last year in the tony forrestal, is there any system in place for those guys to be helped in their development. Who is monitoring these guys progress, are we providing them with incentives to continue their progression as laois hurlers or will they be allowed to fall away like so many others that have gone before them?
We had minor and under21 teams in leinster finals in the past 5-6 years, how many of them have improved as players since then? We comfortably beat Offaly at minor level 3 or 4 years in a row but Offaly have gotten more senior hurlers from their teams, why?

Its not working lads, a long term solution is required!!
First thing id do? Move mountains to get Cheddar as director of Laois hurling. There's a start.

Great post Tobias, i 100% agree with everything you said. Cheddar would be the ideal man for a Director of hurling, I've said this before. The current crop of senior players, unfortunately, have limited talent. Our development squads must take priority.
An amateur requires a personal commitment that money cannot buy

Jd

 I'm from the football end of things but am saddened by the demise of hurling in the county. We chased Sugrue to manage senior football and are getting good results. Our GDAs are primarily from football background and I can see the efforts and small benefits coming from this . We should chase the best hurling men in the county now and make sure they are given exactly what they want on a par with the football. Pat Critchly and Cheddar have probably forgotten more about hurling than the rest of the county know but are not being utilised properly if at all . I'm sure there are plenty of other good coaches around the club's too. Get them working at grassroots and in 5 or 6 years we'll see the benefits. Finally we need to put a bit of thought into the senior manager and get a man who will pull all the clubs together for the betterment of the county