The Many Faces of US Politics...

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omaghjoe

Quote from: sid waddell on May 31, 2020, 09:14:22 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 31, 2020, 05:12:44 AM

Its seems like your just reverting to irrelevant retoric. I get it you dont like trump and think hes the akin to the worst regimes in history.
You dont want to know anything about the grievances that he seized upon to gain power. Until those are addressed you wont deal with the symptoms. But I get it, it's messy more difficult to understand no good solutions, easier to demonise which is a guaranteed non solution
The reason you claim what I say is "irrelevant" is that you don't suffer in any way from racism perpetrated by whites.

And thus you have taken a stance that it is entirely irrelevant to you.

In other words, your stance is "I'm alright, Jack, racism is fine, as long as I'm not the victim of it."

Belief in white supremacism is not a "grievance", as you claim.

Inequality of wealth and life chances is a grievance.

Which precisely nobody in the Republican party has any intention of dealing with - Republican ideology is based on perpetuating it - and which Trump has made exponentially worse.

Anybody who genuinely cared about wealth inequality would be all in for preogressive candidates, of which precisely none exist in the Republican party.

Trump cares less than nothing for poor people. He cares only about channelling wealth to the very richest in society. He is an elite plutocrat fascist with a literal dystopian "burn it down" vision of society, backed monetarily by people of the exact same mindset.

I get it exactly about people like you. And that's what bothers you and others like you here.

You can come up with all the excuses in the world for the reasons you think like you do, but you won't find a legitimate one, you'll only find a fake rationalisation for your own bigotry.

I'm curious.... what is my "stance"? And on what exactly?

Just for reference..I was calling out your vitriol and unwillingness to understand root causes of political phenomenons like the current populist nationalism sweeping the world. I never expressed any opinion on that political movement.... so what exactly makes me a bigot?

Gmac

75% of protesters/rioters now are just out to rob and burn stuff  if this keeps going for a few more days it will end up helping trump not hurting him .

J70


Quote from: whitey on May 31, 2020, 04:24:30 PM
It was a tongue in cheek comment (but the lefties on my twitter feed were running very hard this morning with an anti law enforcement agenda, completely ignoring the rioting and looting that was going on)

Fair enough.

J70

Quote from: Gmac on May 31, 2020, 04:46:45 PM
75% of protesters/rioters now are just out to rob and burn stuff  if this keeps going for a few more days it will end up helping trump not hurting him .

Rightly or wrongly, I agree.

Trump thrives on division and perceived enemies.

whitey

Quote from: Gmac on May 31, 2020, 04:46:45 PM
75% of protesters/rioters now are just out to rob and burn stuff  if this keeps going for a few more days it will end up helping trump not hurting him .

It already has

Biden's campaign staff paying bail for rioters....incredibly stupid

NRA will raise a ton of cash for Trump and other Republicans

If there aren't any big spikes in Corona Virus in these big cities....Trump can say, see told you so.....no need for mail in ballots

Gabriel_Hurl

Stop repeating every piece of bile you see OANN posting on Twitter. Give your head a shake.

whitey

Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 31, 2020, 05:13:36 PM
Stop repeating every piece of bile you see OANN posting on Twitter. Give your head a shake.

"Bile" saying that Biden campaign staffers helped bail out rioters

"Bile" saying that the NRA will capitalize on the chaos

"Bile" saying that Trump is just looking for an excuse to stop mail in ballots

You have a very odd definition of bile

Gabriel_Hurl

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screenexile

Quote from: Gmac on May 31, 2020, 04:46:45 PM
75% of protesters/rioters now are just out to rob and burn stuff  if this keeps going for a few more days it will end up helping trump not hurting him .

Is that an exact amount the 75% or have you just pulled that out of your hole???

(I already know the answer but it would be good for you to confirm it!!)

sid waddell

#16345
Trump says he is designating "Antifa" as a terrorist organisation.

But there is no organisation called Antifa.

"Antifa" simply stands for anti-fascist.

So now, being anti-fascist will not just be banned, but will be classed as being terrorism.

Certain posters here might be good enough to now apologise for consistently denying that the Trump regime is fascist.

Because Trump has literally gone and proved my analysis entirely right.

And it feels shit to be right.



sid waddell

Quote from: omaghjoe on May 31, 2020, 04:29:05 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on May 31, 2020, 09:14:22 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 31, 2020, 05:12:44 AM

Its seems like your just reverting to irrelevant retoric. I get it you dont like trump and think hes the akin to the worst regimes in history.
You dont want to know anything about the grievances that he seized upon to gain power. Until those are addressed you wont deal with the symptoms. But I get it, it's messy more difficult to understand no good solutions, easier to demonise which is a guaranteed non solution
The reason you claim what I say is "irrelevant" is that you don't suffer in any way from racism perpetrated by whites.

And thus you have taken a stance that it is entirely irrelevant to you.

In other words, your stance is "I'm alright, Jack, racism is fine, as long as I'm not the victim of it."

Belief in white supremacism is not a "grievance", as you claim.

Inequality of wealth and life chances is a grievance.

Which precisely nobody in the Republican party has any intention of dealing with - Republican ideology is based on perpetuating it - and which Trump has made exponentially worse.

Anybody who genuinely cared about wealth inequality would be all in for preogressive candidates, of which precisely none exist in the Republican party.

Trump cares less than nothing for poor people. He cares only about channelling wealth to the very richest in society. He is an elite plutocrat fascist with a literal dystopian "burn it down" vision of society, backed monetarily by people of the exact same mindset.

I get it exactly about people like you. And that's what bothers you and others like you here.

You can come up with all the excuses in the world for the reasons you think like you do, but you won't find a legitimate one, you'll only find a fake rationalisation for your own bigotry.

I'm curious.... what is my "stance"? And on what exactly?

Just for reference..I was calling out your vitriol and unwillingness to understand root causes of political phenomenons like the current populist nationalism sweeping the world. I never expressed any opinion on that political movement.... so what exactly makes me a bigot?
Your stance is that you have called discussion of the racism of the Trump regime irrelevant. You attempt to see nuance on an issue over which there is none. Racism is an evil cancer. Racism is endemic in America. White America still cannot come to terms with its evil past or present. It has chosen to perpetuate racism.

What are the so called "legitimate grievances" which justify the rise of American fascism?

I understand the root causes of current day fascist movements like Trump just fine, thanks.

They are they exact same in nature as those which led to the rise of the Nazis.

It isn't difficult. You whip up an ethnic majority into a mob, and blame economic hardship and all of society's ills on an "out group", or out groups. You tell the ethnic majority that their identity is under threat because of the existence of these out groups. And that's basically it. There's not much more to understand. Facism is naked hatred. Fascism is a con trick and people who vote for Trump are the prey of a con trickster.

Nobody has yet been able to say why I'm wrong on this. They can't, because I'm entirely right.

tonto1888

Quote from: sid waddell on May 31, 2020, 08:01:09 PM
Trump says he is designating "Antifa" as a terrorist organisation.

But there is no organisation called Antifa.

"Antifa" simply stands for anti-fascist.

So now, being anti-fascist will not just be banned, but will be classed as being terrorism.

Certain posters here might be good enough to now apologise for consistently denying that the Trump regime is fascist.

Because Trump has literally gone and proved my analysis entirely right.

And it feels shit to be right.

This is what gets me. Antifa has been built up by its enemies to be something a lot more than it is ffs. A terrorist organisation. What a joke

Gmac

Quote from: screenexile on May 31, 2020, 07:55:01 PM
Quote from: Gmac on May 31, 2020, 04:46:45 PM
75% of protesters/rioters now are just out to rob and burn stuff  if this keeps going for a few more days it will end up helping trump not hurting him .

Is that an exact amount the 75% or have you just pulled that out of your hole???

(I already know the answer but it would be good for you to confirm it!!)
what would you put it at ?

J70

Quote from: tonto1888 on May 31, 2020, 08:24:56 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on May 31, 2020, 08:01:09 PM
Trump says he is designating "Antifa" as a terrorist organisation.

But there is no organisation called Antifa.

"Antifa" simply stands for anti-fascist.

So now, being anti-fascist will not just be banned, but will be classed as being terrorism.

Certain posters here might be good enough to now apologise for consistently denying that the Trump regime is fascist.

Because Trump has literally gone and proved my analysis entirely right.

And it feels shit to be right.

This is what gets me. Antifa has been built up by its enemies to be something a lot more than it is ffs. A terrorist organisation. What a joke

Should be fun trying to prove membership in court.

And of course he hadn't a f**king word to say about the militia fuckwits taking over statehouses with grenade launchers and assault rifles.

This country is heading for a split if things continue as they are.