Artur Boruc...Poland v N.I

[Drumanee 1]

o absolutely,if he does it just to provoke he's way out of order (as he has done in the past)but if he genuinely blesses himself coming out of the tunnel i see no problem and in fact i am sure when Spain came to play many of there players blessed themselves,my argument is a player should not have to stop from doing something he does week in week out just because it might offend a few bigots

Yeah I fully agree, and there will be enough bigots there to give him a hard time.  Of course these bigots who care so much about being offended will go out of their way to shout abuse at him!

yeah and some will go out of there way to be offended,just wait for mr campbell to make his feeling known to stephen nolan

[Galwaybhoy]

I could be wrong here, but did this lad "The Holy Goalie" not walk over towards the Rangers fans one day and bless himself right in front of them.  Theres a huge difference between blessing yourself because its what you do and believe in and doing so just to provoke a reaction out of other fans.

He does it in front of every goalposts, every game. If Rangers fans are offended by someone blessing themselves then they shouldn't be allowed inside a f**king stadium.

Well im sure next time he does it, he will turn hes back towards the Rangers fans and bless himself facing the field so as not to provoke a reaction.  I never said there was anything wrong with him blessing himself.

[lynchbhoy]

shows that progress hasnt been too far if the north of Ireland fans are going to have a problem or cause problems with Boruc and whatever he does.
Speaks folumes for tony F's pet love ' soccer for all ' !

the scenario changes because the person is of higher profile  - oh FFS 

[stibhan]

I could be wrong here, but did this lad "The Holy Goalie" not walk over towards the Rangers fans one day and bless himself right in front of them.  Theres a huge difference between blessing yourself because its what you do and believe in and doing so just to provoke a reaction out of other fans.

He does it in front of every goalposts, every game. If Rangers fans are offended by someone blessing themselves then they shouldn't be allowed inside a f**king stadium.

Well im sure next time he does it, he will turn hes back towards the Rangers fans and bless himself facing the field so as not to provoke a reaction.  I never said there was anything wrong with him blessing himself.

Have you ever been in a stadium? If you have, you might realise that it has four sides. No matter where he does it he will be doing it in front of Rangers fans. As a goalkeeper I'm fairly sure why he does it in front of the goalposts as well--it's a bit obvious, isn't it?

It's quite disgusting to see people become apologists for bigots in this day and age.

[aroundincircles]

To be fair Northern Ireland fans has changed for the better over the years they only boo catholics when they go to ibrox now.

[Galwaybhoy]

I could be wrong here, but did this lad "The Holy Goalie" not walk over towards the Rangers fans one day and bless himself right in front of them.  Theres a huge difference between blessing yourself because its what you do and believe in and doing so just to provoke a reaction out of other fans.

He does it in front of every goalposts, every game. If Rangers fans are offended by someone blessing themselves then they shouldn't be allowed inside a f**king stadium.

Well im sure next time he does it, he will turn hes back towards the Rangers fans and bless himself facing the field so as not to provoke a reaction.  I never said there was anything wrong with him blessing himself.

Have you ever been in a stadium? If you have, you might realise that it has four sides. No matter where he does it he will be doing it in front of Rangers fans. As a goalkeeper I'm fairly sure why he does it in front of the goalposts as well--it's a bit obvious, isn't it?

It's quite disgusting to see people become apologists for bigots in this day and age.

You know what I mean.  When the Rangers fans are behind his goal it would be best that he turns to face the PITCH before he does it, assumig the Rangers fans are behind hes goals of course.  I'm sure Boruc would agree, as I dont doubt he is a man of faith, but hes faith does teach not to use prayer as a way to provoke other people nor to use it so as to showoff how religous you are. 

If you actually read my earlier comments you would see I'm in no way an apologist for bigots, I have no problem with him blessing himself, as I stated that loads of times.  He can bless himself coming on to the pitch or on the pitch itself, just like loads of other players have in the past and will do in the future, just as long as he dosent do it just to provoke others.

[The Watcher Pat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMMX2r_v9dg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsTZd5BPr6s&feature=related


Spot the difference....

Love the guy shouting in the second clip..."oh you bigot"   

[Galwaybhoy]

Just curious, is it that Rangers fans have something against Boruc, obviously they dont like him, but lets say if another Celtic player were to bless themselves would that be the normal reaction?  Obviously there is a huge percentage of their fans who are nothing but bigots, there is no denying that.

[Drumanee 1]

well there you are,he does the same thing every match it's only rangers who take offence

[The Watcher Pat]

Just curious, is it that Rangers fans have something against Boruc, obviously they dont like him, but lets say if another Celtic player were to bless themselves would that be the normal reaction?  Obviously there is a huge percentage of their fans who are nothing but bigots, there is no denying that.

Maybe he's just the most "high profile" or maybe just closer to the crowd when he does it....Or maybe because he got a reaction the first time he done it and the Celtic fans poke fun at them calling him "the holy goalie" therefore drawing more attention and reaction from it...Who knows I'm not a bigot so its hard to think like one or guess their reasons.

[stibhan]

I could be wrong here, but did this lad "The Holy Goalie" not walk over towards the Rangers fans one day and bless himself right in front of them.  Theres a huge difference between blessing yourself because its what you do and believe in and doing so just to provoke a reaction out of other fans.

He does it in front of every goalposts, every game. If Rangers fans are offended by someone blessing themselves then they shouldn't be allowed inside a f**king stadium.

Well im sure next time he does it, he will turn hes back towards the Rangers fans and bless himself facing the field so as not to provoke a reaction.  I never said there was anything wrong with him blessing himself.

Have you ever been in a stadium? If you have, you might realise that it has four sides. No matter where he does it he will be doing it in front of Rangers fans. As a goalkeeper I'm fairly sure why he does it in front of the goalposts as well--it's a bit obvious, isn't it?

It's quite disgusting to see people become apologists for bigots in this day and age.

You know what I mean.  When the Rangers fans are behind his goal it would be best that he turns to face the PITCH before he does it, assumig the Rangers fans are behind hes goals of course.  I'm sure Boruc would agree, as I dont doubt he is a man of faith, but hes faith does teach not to use prayer as a way to provoke other people nor to use it so as to showoff how religous you are. 

If you actually read my earlier comments you would see I'm in no way an apologist for bigots, I have no problem with him blessing himself, as I stated that loads of times.  He can bless himself coming on to the pitch or on the pitch itself, just like loads of other players have in the past and will do in the future, just as long as he dosent do it just to provoke others.

How is he using prayer as a way to provoke people? If your idea of provocation is blessing yourself then you are being an apologist for bigots. The video clearly shows that Boruc is blessing himself in the same manner he does for every game, home and away. On the continent this isn't even worth commenting on but in Scotland it's a major issue?

There was f**king less comment about Andy Goram wearing a black armband for Billy Wright for f**k's sake.

[Galwaybhoy]

I could be wrong here, but did this lad "The Holy Goalie" not walk over towards the Rangers fans one day and bless himself right in front of them.  Theres a huge difference between blessing yourself because its what you do and believe in and doing so just to provoke a reaction out of other fans.

He does it in front of every goalposts, every game. If Rangers fans are offended by someone blessing themselves then they shouldn't be allowed inside a f**king stadium.

Well im sure next time he does it, he will turn hes back towards the Rangers fans and bless himself facing the field so as not to provoke a reaction.  I never said there was anything wrong with him blessing himself.

Have you ever been in a stadium? If you have, you might realise that it has four sides. No matter where he does it he will be doing it in front of Rangers fans. As a goalkeeper I'm fairly sure why he does it in front of the goalposts as welt's a bit obvious, isn't it?

It's quite disgusting to see people become apologists for bigots in this day and age.

You know what I mean.  When the Rangers fans are behind his goal it would be best that he turns to face the PITCH before he does it, assumig the Rangers fans are behind hes goals of course.  I'm sure Boruc would agree, as I dont doubt he is a man of faith, but hes faith does teach not to use prayer as a way to provoke other people nor to use it so as to showoff how religous you are. 

If you actually read my earlier comments you would see I'm in no way an apologist for bigots, I have no problem with him blessing himself, as I stated that loads of times.  He can bless himself coming on to the pitch or on the pitch itself, just like loads of other players have in the past and will do in the future, just as long as he dosent do it just to provoke others.

How is he using prayer as a way to provoke people? If your idea of provocation is blessing yourself then you are being an apologist for bigots. The video clearly shows that Boruc is blessing himself in the same manner he does for every game, home and away. On the continent this isn't even worth commenting on but in Scotland it's a major issue?

There was f**king less comment about Andy Goram wearing a black armband for Billy Wright for f**k's sake.

Of course religion could be used to provoke, but if he does it in ever game then fair enough.

Your right it shouldn't be a major issue in Scotland, but when you have so many bigots on both sides of the Old Firm then nothing really surprises me.

[Tony Baloney]

I could be wrong here, but did this lad "The Holy Goalie" not walk over towards the Rangers fans one day and bless himself right in front of them.  Theres a huge difference between blessing yourself because its what you do and believe in and doing so just to provoke a reaction out of other fans.

He does it in front of every goalposts, every game. If Rangers fans are offended by someone blessing themselves then they shouldn't be allowed inside a f**king stadium.

Well im sure next time he does it, he will turn hes back towards the Rangers fans and bless himself facing the field so as not to provoke a reaction.  I never said there was anything wrong with him blessing himself.

Have you ever been in a stadium? If you have, you might realise that it has four sides. No matter where he does it he will be doing it in front of Rangers fans. As a goalkeeper I'm fairly sure why he does it in front of the goalposts as well--it's a bit obvious, isn't it?

It's quite disgusting to see people become apologists for bigots in this day and age.

You know what I mean.  When the Rangers fans are behind his goal it would be best that he turns to face the PITCH before he does it, assumig the Rangers fans are behind hes goals of course.  I'm sure Boruc would agree, as I dont doubt he is a man of faith, but hes faith does teach not to use prayer as a way to provoke other people nor to use it so as to showoff how religous you are. 

If you actually read my earlier comments you would see I'm in no way an apologist for bigots, I have no problem with him blessing himself, as I stated that loads of times.  He can bless himself coming on to the pitch or on the pitch itself, just like loads of other players have in the past and will do in the future, just as long as he dosent do it just to provoke others.

How is he using prayer as a way to provoke people? If your idea of provocation is blessing yourself then you are being an apologist for bigots. The video clearly shows that Boruc is blessing himself in the same manner he does for every game, home and away. On the continent this isn't even worth commenting on but in Scotland it's a major issue?

There was f**king less comment about Andy Goram wearing a black armband for Billy Wright for f**k's sake.

Erm haven't you noticed the issues with sectarianism and religious intolerance in Scotland? Ref. Gazza playing the flute, Goram's connection with loyalism, singing of "party tunes" at club events by representatives of both Celtic and Rangers. So yes it's hardly surprising it is commented on.
Boruc is entitled to bless himself before the match, but if he deliberately uses it to antagonise opposition fans it cheapens any religious symbolism he attachs to it.

[nifan]

how anyone is offended is beyond me, but being offended is something that comes easy to sports fans, typically the ones giving the worst abuse.
I hope boric doesn't get any more abuse than any other visiting goalie (usualy the get booed on every touch) and I certainly hope the blessing won't cause a reaction, but I think some gob shites will gurn.

[Tony Baloney]

how anyone is offended is beyond me, but being offended is something that comes easy to sports fans, typically the ones giving the worst abuse.
I hope boric doesn't get any more abuse than any other visiting goalie (usualy the get booed on every touch) and I certainly hope the blessing won't cause a reaction, but I think some gob shites will gurn.

The usual suspects on here will be gutted if he doesn't get booed though. Maybe Fearon will don the green and white of Norn Iron (again ) to sneak in and boo him so he has something to write to the papers about.