Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm

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The Tyrone record against the big three of Dublin, Kerry and Mayo since the last win in 2008 doesn't make for great reading. 

The numbers don't lie, they just need to be interpreted. Certainly the figures contradict the high opinion afforded to Tyrone by pundits and supporters alike.


They're clearly not in the top 3 but they're not awfully far behind Mayo and Kerry, I'd certainly have Donegal ahead of them at the minute as well.

Based on what?

Based on the Ulster Semi final probably. You know, when they bate them.
Tyrone people are deluded if you think we're in the top 4. We've beaten no one of note in the last 11 years.

I hate this ridiculous argument about top 4, but i'll Humour you. If you Tyrone people are "deluded" about Tyrone being fourth (we'll say for argument sake Kerry and Mayo are 2nd and 3rd), which counties outside of those twohave Tyrone not beaten recently when it mattered most? I.e. at the knock out, do or die stage of the championship? I'll remind you that Tyrone beat Donegal, in Ballybofey, last year when it really mattered. Ask Monaghan about their record after beating us in Ulster. Perhaps Galway? Who couldn't beat Roscommon, or the Rossies themselves maybe? No evidence needed here 😂😂😂 What about Cork? Meath? Kildare? Armagh perhaps? I think you'll also find Tyrone have more All Ireland final and semi final appearances in the last 5 years than those counties combined have achieved in that same time period. So I am keen to know, do you understand what the word "deluded" means?

Love it. 2 years ago we bate Donegal, but lost this year to them, but we're still better than them. We bate Dublin in 08, 11 years ago. Are we still better than them?
If anything this proves the slide under Harte. Donegal are progressing and we're not. Only for 2 very fortunate super 8 draws we'd have been nowhere near this years AISF or last years AIF. This is reality, time we faced up to it. We're nowhere near and we're going to be nowhere near unless we dump this specialist in failure one Mickey Harte.

According to you Donegal are a top 4 team. Last year we were pitted with them and the Dubs so the group contained 2 of the top 4. How was that a soft draw? I'd say Donegal would have beaten us in ulster last year as well as Tyrone are slow starters to the championship aiming to peak later on. I would say the fact we have got further than Donegal in 4 of the last 5 years championships is a fair reflection that we've been ahead of them during this period.

It's crazy the way they keep getting talked up with all these fresh tactics etc while Tyrone have terrible tactics but still end up getting further year on year.
Don't be tying him up in knots. Mickeys a specialist in failure. Fact.

I'm not in knots. So if we beat a team 2 years ago but lose to them this year we're better than them? Is that what were saying?
We're great at beating Roscommon, Monaghan and the likes. We can boss Ulster in January, 37 McKenna Cups and counting. But when it comes to Kerry, Mayo, Dublin, actual good teams, at the business end of the season, not so much.



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The Tyrone record against the big three of Dublin, Kerry and Mayo since the last win in 2008 doesn't make for great reading. 

The numbers don't lie, they just need to be interpreted. Certainly the figures contradict the high opinion afforded to Tyrone by pundits and supporters alike.


They're clearly not in the top 3 but they're not awfully far behind Mayo and Kerry, I'd certainly have Donegal ahead of them at the minute as well.

Based on what?

Based on the Ulster Semi final probably. You know, when they bate them.
Tyrone people are deluded if you think we're in the top 4. We've beaten no one of note in the last 11 years.

I hate this ridiculous argument about top 4, but i'll Humour you. If you Tyrone people are "deluded" about Tyrone being fourth (we'll say for argument sake Kerry and Mayo are 2nd and 3rd), which counties outside of those twohave Tyrone not beaten recently when it mattered most? I.e. at the knock out, do or die stage of the championship? I'll remind you that Tyrone beat Donegal, in Ballybofey, last year when it really mattered. Ask Monaghan about their record after beating us in Ulster. Perhaps Galway? Who couldn't beat Roscommon, or the Rossies themselves maybe? No evidence needed here 😂😂😂 What about Cork? Meath? Kildare? Armagh perhaps? I think you'll also find Tyrone have more All Ireland final and semi final appearances in the last 5 years than those counties combined have achieved in that same time period. So I am keen to know, do you understand what the word "deluded" means?

Love it. 2 years ago we bate Donegal, but lost this year to them, but we're still better than them. We bate Dublin in 08, 11 years ago. Are we still better than them?
If anything this proves the slide under Harte. Donegal are progressing and we're not. Only for 2 very fortunate super 8 draws we'd have been nowhere near this years AISF or last years AIF. This is reality, time we faced up to it. We're nowhere near and we're going to be nowhere near unless we dump this specialist in failure one Mickey Harte.

According to you Donegal are a top 4 team. Last year we were pitted with them and the Dubs so the group contained 2 of the top 4. How was that a soft draw? I'd say Donegal would have beaten us in ulster last year as well as Tyrone are slow starters to the championship aiming to peak later on. I would say the fact we have got further than Donegal in 4 of the last 5 years championships is a fair reflection that we've been ahead of them during this period.

It's crazy the way they keep getting talked up with all these fresh tactics etc while Tyrone have terrible tactics but still end up getting further year on year.
Don't be tying him up in knots. Mickeys a specialist in failure. Fact.

I'm not in knots. So if we beat a team 2 years ago but lose to them this year we're better than them? Is that what were saying?
We're great at beating Roscommon, Monaghan and the likes. We can boss Ulster in January, 37 McKenna Cups and counting. But when it comes to Kerry, Mayo, Dublin, actual good teams, at the business end of the season, not so much.

We beat them last year, they beat us this year, we've progressed farther than then in 4 out of the last 5 years including this year. At the very least we are on a level.  Dublin and Mayo (2012-2017) were better teams than us. Kerry beat us this year in a game that we could have won. I would have fancied our chances against Mayo as well. Dublin are well above the rest. And there's little between Kerry, Mayo, Donegal and Tyrone. And we'll be in the same bunch next year all going well. Winning an AI is hard and doesn't happen that often for counties outside Dublin and Kerry. Ask Mayo FFS
Grammar: the difference between knowing your shit

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The Tyrone record against the big three of Dublin, Kerry and Mayo since the last win in 2008 doesn't make for great reading. 

The numbers don't lie, they just need to be interpreted. Certainly the figures contradict the high opinion afforded to Tyrone by pundits and supporters alike.


They're clearly not in the top 3 but they're not awfully far behind Mayo and Kerry, I'd certainly have Donegal ahead of them at the minute as well.

Based on what?

Based on the Ulster Semi final probably. You know, when they bate them.
Tyrone people are deluded if you think we're in the top 4. We've beaten no one of note in the last 11 years.

I hate this ridiculous argument about top 4, but i'll Humour you. If you Tyrone people are "deluded" about Tyrone being fourth (we'll say for argument sake Kerry and Mayo are 2nd and 3rd), which counties outside of those twohave Tyrone not beaten recently when it mattered most? I.e. at the knock out, do or die stage of the championship? I'll remind you that Tyrone beat Donegal, in Ballybofey, last year when it really mattered. Ask Monaghan about their record after beating us in Ulster. Perhaps Galway? Who couldn't beat Roscommon, or the Rossies themselves maybe? No evidence needed here 😂😂😂 What about Cork? Meath? Kildare? Armagh perhaps? I think you'll also find Tyrone have more All Ireland final and semi final appearances in the last 5 years than those counties combined have achieved in that same time period. So I am keen to know, do you understand what the word "deluded" means?

Love it. 2 years ago we bate Donegal, but lost this year to them, but we're still better than them. We bate Dublin in 08, 11 years ago. Are we still better than them?
If anything this proves the slide under Harte. Donegal are progressing and we're not. Only for 2 very fortunate super 8 draws we'd have been nowhere near this years AISF or last years AIF. This is reality, time we faced up to it. We're nowhere near and we're going to be nowhere near unless we dump this specialist in failure one Mickey Harte.

According to you Donegal are a top 4 team. Last year we were pitted with them and the Dubs so the group contained 2 of the top 4. How was that a soft draw? I'd say Donegal would have beaten us in ulster last year as well as Tyrone are slow starters to the championship aiming to peak later on. I would say the fact we have got further than Donegal in 4 of the last 5 years championships is a fair reflection that we've been ahead of them during this period.

It's crazy the way they keep getting talked up with all these fresh tactics etc while Tyrone have terrible tactics but still end up getting further year on year.
Don't be tying him up in knots. Mickeys a specialist in failure. Fact.

I'm not in knots. So if we beat a team 2 years ago but lose to them this year we're better than them? Is that what were saying?
We're great at beating Roscommon, Monaghan and the likes. We can boss Ulster in January, 37 McKenna Cups and counting. But when it comes to Kerry, Mayo, Dublin, actual good teams, at the business end of the season, not so much.

We beat Donegal last August, that was 1 year ago. You were the person who said anyone who thinks Tyrone are top 4 are deluded but cant seem to make a decent argument for who the 4th best team is. I'm not sure how anyone can argue that a team who has reached the top 4 in 4 of the last 5 championships aren't a top 4 team.

We haven't been able to push on to the very next level but it's very easy to blame this on the manager and ignore the fact that perhaps the players have been just slightly below the level. Tyrone were totally on top in the first half v Kerry with the tactics working well. In the second half the players made a number of bad decisions at key times giving Kerry the initiative. And there is no doubt they are the best players in Tyrone with Bradley the only one missing that would make a difference and there was a good reason for his absence.

Would they have done differently under a different manger, very unlikely.

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Quote from: Owen Brannigan on August 20, 2019, 08:20:07 PM
The Tyrone record against the big three of Dublin, Kerry and Mayo since the last win in 2008 doesn't make for great reading. 

The numbers don't lie, they just need to be interpreted. Certainly the figures contradict the high opinion afforded to Tyrone by pundits and supporters alike.


They're clearly not in the top 3 but they're not awfully far behind Mayo and Kerry, I'd certainly have Donegal ahead of them at the minute as well.

Based on what?

Based on the Ulster Semi final probably. You know, when they bate them.
Tyrone people are deluded if you think we're in the top 4. We've beaten no one of note in the last 11 years.

I hate this ridiculous argument about top 4, but i'll Humour you. If you Tyrone people are "deluded" about Tyrone being fourth (we'll say for argument sake Kerry and Mayo are 2nd and 3rd), which counties outside of those twohave Tyrone not beaten recently when it mattered most? I.e. at the knock out, do or die stage of the championship? I'll remind you that Tyrone beat Donegal, in Ballybofey, last year when it really mattered. Ask Monaghan about their record after beating us in Ulster. Perhaps Galway? Who couldn't beat Roscommon, or the Rossies themselves maybe? No evidence needed here 😂😂😂 What about Cork? Meath? Kildare? Armagh perhaps? I think you'll also find Tyrone have more All Ireland final and semi final appearances in the last 5 years than those counties combined have achieved in that same time period. So I am keen to know, do you understand what the word "deluded" means?

Love it. 2 years ago we bate Donegal, but lost this year to them, but we're still better than them. We bate Dublin in 08, 11 years ago. Are we still better than them?
If anything this proves the slide under Harte. Donegal are progressing and we're not. Only for 2 very fortunate super 8 draws we'd have been nowhere near this years AISF or last years AIF. This is reality, time we faced up to it. We're nowhere near and we're going to be nowhere near unless we dump this specialist in failure one Mickey Harte.

According to you Donegal are a top 4 team. Last year we were pitted with them and the Dubs so the group contained 2 of the top 4. How was that a soft draw? I'd say Donegal would have beaten us in ulster last year as well as Tyrone are slow starters to the championship aiming to peak later on. I would say the fact we have got further than Donegal in 4 of the last 5 years championships is a fair reflection that we've been ahead of them during this period.

It's crazy the way they keep getting talked up with all these fresh tactics etc while Tyrone have terrible tactics but still end up getting further year on year.
Don't be tying him up in knots. Mickeys a specialist in failure. Fact.

I'm not in knots. So if we beat a team 2 years ago but lose to them this year we're better than them? Is that what were saying?
We're great at beating Roscommon, Monaghan and the likes. We can boss Ulster in January, 37 McKenna Cups and counting. But when it comes to Kerry, Mayo, Dublin, actual good teams, at the business end of the season, not so much.

We beat Donegal last August, that was 1 year ago. You were the person who said anyone who thinks Tyrone are top 4 are deluded but cant seem to make a decent argument for who the 4th best team is. I'm not sure how anyone can argue that a team who has reached the top 4 in 4 of the last 5 championships aren't a top 4 team.

We haven't been able to push on to the very next level but it's very easy to blame this on the manager and ignore the fact that perhaps the players have been just slightly below the level. Tyrone were totally on top in the first half v Kerry with the tactics working well. In the second half the players made a number of bad decisions at key times giving Kerry the initiative. And there is no doubt they are the best players in Tyrone with Bradley the only one missing that would make a difference and there was a good reason for his absence.

Would they have done differently under a different manger, very unlikely.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. That's the level we're at. Harte is not the solution.
Anyway everyone knows where I stand on the issue. Can't wait to win the McKenna cup next year.

t_mac

This is comedy gold, Tyronies out doing each other with shit talk. Future is bright lads you will get your McKenna cup next year and probably have a crack at Ulster.  ;D

t_mac


trueblue1234

Quote from: t_mac on August 21, 2019, 11:19:02 AM
This is comedy gold, Tyronies out doing each other with shit talk. Future is bright lads you will get your McKenna cup next year and probably have a crack at Ulster.  ;D

:D Enjoy it while it lasts. I'm sure your days away from your usual melt down and ban.
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greatpoint

Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 21, 2019, 10:10:31 AM
According to you Donegal are a top 4 team. Last year we were pitted with them and the Dubs so the group contained 2 of the top 4. How was that a soft draw? I'd say Donegal would have beaten us in ulster last year as well as Tyrone are slow starters to the championship aiming to peak later on. I would say the fact we have got further than Donegal in 4 of the last 5 years championships is a fair reflection that we've been ahead of them during this period.

It's crazy the way they keep getting talked up with all these fresh tactics etc while Tyrone have terrible tactics but still end up getting further year on year.

At what stage during the summer do Tyrone peak? Because they've been well beaten in Ulster and then well beaten in the All-Ireland series the last couple of years. If you want to compare Tyrone and Donegal this year look at the Ulster semi-final the two played and then look at their respective games against Kerry. Donegal probably should have beaten them with a massively depleted squad whereas a couple of weeks later Tyrone had nothing in response once Kerry stepped up a gear. Donegal's squad would be significantly younger than Tyrone's as well would it not?

Owen Brannigan

Quote from: RedHand88 on August 20, 2019, 10:53:37 PM
Why are Mayo and Kerry "the big three"??

They form two of the three teams that have been at the top since 2008 and according to the results have been unbeaten by Tyrone in the championship since 2008.

t_mac

Quote from: greatpoint on August 21, 2019, 01:50:47 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 21, 2019, 10:10:31 AM
According to you Donegal are a top 4 team. Last year we were pitted with them and the Dubs so the group contained 2 of the top 4. How was that a soft draw? I'd say Donegal would have beaten us in ulster last year as well as Tyrone are slow starters to the championship aiming to peak later on. I would say the fact we have got further than Donegal in 4 of the last 5 years championships is a fair reflection that we've been ahead of them during this period.

It's crazy the way they keep getting talked up with all these fresh tactics etc while Tyrone have terrible tactics but still end up getting further year on year.

At what stage during the summer do Tyrone peak? Because they've been well beaten in Ulster and then well beaten in the All-Ireland series the last couple of years. If you want to compare Tyrone and Donegal this year look at the Ulster semi-final the two played and then look at their respective games against Kerry. Donegal probably should have beaten them with a massively depleted squad whereas a couple of weeks later Tyrone had nothing in response once Kerry stepped up a gear. Donegal's squad would be significantly younger than Tyrone's as well would it not?

Mid January.  ;)


Captain Obvious

Quote from: Angelo on August 21, 2019, 09:21:24 AM
Top 2, 3, 4, 5 etc.

Not really a while pile in and what does it matter anyway? It's like a bunch of bald men fighting over a tooth comb. There are no prizes for being 2nd, 3rd or 4th. Dublin are going to win their 5th at a canter.

Fair to say a stronger top 2 and 3 team and Dublin probably wouldn't be going to win their 5th title at a canter?

trueblue1234

Quote from: Owen Brannigan on August 21, 2019, 02:05:58 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 20, 2019, 10:53:37 PM
Why are Mayo and Kerry "the big three"??

They form two of the three teams that have been at the top since 2008 and according to the results have been unbeaten by Tyrone in the championship since 2008.

If I was asked to back either Donegal or Mayo for 2020 I think I would favor Donegal to be honest.
These top 3 debates are a load of nonsense anyway as it's a top 1. Kerry, Donegal, Mayo, Tyrone could beat each other on any given day. They're just fighting for the right to play in the AI final and maybe get a weekend craic out of things before getting bate.
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Owen Brannigan

Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 21, 2019, 02:41:01 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on August 21, 2019, 02:05:58 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 20, 2019, 10:53:37 PM
Why are Mayo and Kerry "the big three"??

They form two of the three teams that have been at the top since 2008 and according to the results have been unbeaten by Tyrone in the championship since 2008.

If I was asked to back either Donegal or Mayo for 2020 I think I would favor Donegal to be honest.
These top 3 debates are a load of nonsense anyway as it's a top 1. Kerry, Donegal, Mayo, Tyrone could beat each other on any given day. They're just fighting for the right to play in the AI final and maybe get a weekend craic out of things before getting bate.

And yet Tyrone have not beaten Kerry or Mayo in over 11 championship games that really mattered, never mind the beatings administered by Dublin. So, on current and historical standing, Tyrone are behind Mayo and Kerry by some margin. The only debate is whether they or Donegal can be considered for the top of the next level down.

Baile an tuaigh

Tyrone don't spend a third of the money preparing their County team compared to Cork, Dublin, Kerry and Mayo.