OK - to summarise, Kerry people reckon they are back on track, Tyrone people blaming the referee and neutrals calling for 5 more years for Mickey Harte.
One Tyrone poster can't deal with it, lift the ball and stamps off home, locking the thread before leaving.
Continue discussion....
A Kerry player hit his own man on the head near the end and told his own player to then go down holding his head...(gavin Crowley on gavin white)
Tyrone really should have won that match. Tommy Walsh made a massive difference mind you and imo swung it. O'brien to miss final. Him against McCaffrey would have been a good battle.
I don't think this Kerry team have the players to put it to Dublin at all.
Tyrone chucked it away (much like McGeary did on those two occasions he handpassed directly to Kerrymem, eh, eh?! Jokes aside, the second one immediately led to the goal) and while I thought Deegan rode them a bit, they've nobody to blame but themselves. One incident was absolutely hilarious as McShane was penalised after a man came diving over his back when he tried to lift the ball. That man then got a shove in the back of the head from a teammate, who promptly tried to alert the ref to a head injury.
Without mcshane they'd have had nothing, so hard to criticise him for a couple of misses. They should have left Donnelly inside as he wasn't doing his usual work out the field. The way Colm Cavanagh was walking about with his daughter at the end suggests he'll not be back. If McShane could do that much to that embarrassment of Kerry defence on his own, the dubs' forwards will annihilate them.
Kerry were very cynical at times alright but they were the better team over the 70 minutes and while Deegan gave Kerry a few soft frees it wasn't the winning of the match. Tyrone need to look at how they set up if they want to win the really big games. I expected Kerry to win simply because they knew how Tyrone set up and if they were patient they had enough players to put the ball between the posts. They were awful in the first half but once they adjusted they put Tyrone to the sword.
Thought Tyrone were Deegan'd personally. 3 terrible decisions, 3 points for Kerry at the start of the second half shifted momentum towards Kerry. Really can't see Kerry getting within 7.
As for the claim O'Brien should get off, absolute nonsense. That last tackle should see him miss the final entirely in its own merits.
Quote from: gallsman on August 11, 2019, 05:56:25 PM
As for the claim O'Brien should get off, absolute nonsense. That last tackle should see him miss the final entirely in its own merits.
Why???
Impressive second half from Kerry. Tommy Walsh made a big difference, interesting threat for Dublin, and Geaney got really psyched up and determined to make an impact by fair means or foul.
I had a fear that Keane could be a really good manager. It looks like he might just be that.
Utterly stupid of O'Brien at the end. I don't know how anyone could have any sympathy for him. He was fully aware of the consequences, and there was absolutely no need for it.
He sounds like he's very confident that the black he got against Meath will be overturned. But his fate is in the hands of lawyers. Pure idiotic to put himself in that position, he'd be an enormous loss to the final.
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 11, 2019, 05:58:34 PM
Quote from: gallsman on August 11, 2019, 05:56:25 PM
As for the claim O'Brien should get off, absolute nonsense. That last tackle should see him miss the final entirely in its own merits.
Why???
Cause it was the exact same one as sean cavanagh committed but there was absolutely no mention of it.
Quote from: gallsman on August 11, 2019, 05:56:25 PM
As for the claim O'Brien should get off, absolute nonsense. That last tackle should see him miss the final entirely in its own merits.
Just seen the Meath one and it was a ludicrous black so I expect that he will get off. Wouldn't want to see any player miss a final anyway.
Kerry could trouble the Dubs defensively but their defence doesn't look any better than previous years and I could see the Dubs scoring goals against them whereas Tyrone rarely score goals against top teams. Jason Foley was cleaned out by McShane and Kerry were better when Paul Murphy abandoned the sweeper role and pushed up the pitch.
I think the final will be closer than people expect after all Kerry destroyed Mayo by just as much as Dublin did but it is not fresh in people's minds. Plus the Dubs will have to deal with the hype surrounding the 5 in a row. Sets up for a great final anyway.
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 11, 2019, 06:02:49 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 11, 2019, 05:58:34 PM
Quote from: gallsman on August 11, 2019, 05:56:25 PM
As for the claim O'Brien should get off, absolute nonsense. That last tackle should see him miss the final entirely in its own merits.
Why???
Cause it was the exact same one as sean cavanagh committed but there was absolutely no mention of it.
And that has what relevance?
Tyrone should have had penalty too. Not a Tyrone fan in the slightest but ref was awful. Kerry's antics were a disgrace.
Quote from: mrdeeds on August 11, 2019, 06:06:28 PM
Tyrone should have had penalty too. Not a Tyrone fan in the slightest but ref was awful. Kerry's antics were a disgrace.
When should they have had a oenalty
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 11, 2019, 06:06:00 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 11, 2019, 06:02:49 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 11, 2019, 05:58:34 PM
Quote from: gallsman on August 11, 2019, 05:56:25 PM
As for the claim O'Brien should get off, absolute nonsense. That last tackle should see him miss the final entirely in its own merits.
Why???
Cause it was the exact same one as sean cavanagh committed but there was absolutely no mention of it.
And that has what relevance?
It's Tyrone paranoia, the persecution complex, the relevance is everywhere.
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 11, 2019, 06:07:00 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on August 11, 2019, 06:06:28 PM
Tyrone should have had penalty too. Not a Tyrone fan in the slightest but ref was awful. Kerry's antics were a disgrace.
When should they have had a oenalty
Peter Harte goal chance. He was been held.
Quote from: mrdeeds on August 11, 2019, 06:09:06 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 11, 2019, 06:07:00 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on August 11, 2019, 06:06:28 PM
Tyrone should have had penalty too. Not a Tyrone fan in the slightest but ref was awful. Kerry's antics were a disgrace.
When should they have had a oenalty
Peter Harte goal chance. He was been held.
Never a penalty, Harte fluffed his lines. He done a disappearing act today was largely anonymous.
Quote from: mrdeeds on August 11, 2019, 06:09:06 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 11, 2019, 06:07:00 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on August 11, 2019, 06:06:28 PM
Tyrone should have had penalty too. Not a Tyrone fan in the slightest but ref was awful. Kerry's antics were a disgrace.
When should they have had a oenalty
Peter Harte goal chance. He was been held.
That was never a penalty
Quote from: mrdeeds on August 11, 2019, 06:09:06 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 11, 2019, 06:07:00 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on August 11, 2019, 06:06:28 PM
Tyrone should have had penalty too. Not a Tyrone fan in the slightest but ref was awful. Kerry's antics were a disgrace.
When should they have had a oenalty
Peter Harte goal chance. He was been held.
Keeper made great save and then nearly got his head taken off.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 11, 2019, 06:10:33 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on August 11, 2019, 06:09:06 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 11, 2019, 06:07:00 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on August 11, 2019, 06:06:28 PM
Tyrone should have had penalty too. Not a Tyrone fan in the slightest but ref was awful. Kerry's antics were a disgrace.
When should they have had a oenalty
Peter Harte goal chance. He was been held.
Never a penalty, Harte fluffed his lines. He done a disappearing act today was largely anonymous.
Harte didn't do a disappearing act. Watch the game and you will see him constantly being pulled to the ground off the ball. What's the difference in Murphy's penalty against mayo, both murphy and harte were being pulled back.
Quote from: Main Street on August 11, 2019, 06:08:55 PM
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Quote from: tonto1888 on August 11, 2019, 05:58:34 PM
Quote from: gallsman on August 11, 2019, 05:56:25 PM
As for the claim O'Brien should get off, absolute nonsense. That last tackle should see him miss the final entirely in its own merits.
Why???
Cause it was the exact same one as sean cavanagh committed but there was absolutely no mention of it.
And that has what relevance?
It's Tyrone paranoia, the persecution complex, the relevance is everywhere.
😂😂😂😂 everyone comes out of the wood work to condemn Sean cavanagh. Exact same challenge happens today and same people act like it's no big deal. Some gaa fans are really soccer fans in disguise
Nothing really that surprising come the end of the match. Once Kerry went up a gear in the second half Tyrone had nothing in response.
I'm not sure how you would assess Tyrone's season really, beaten well by both Donegal and Kerry and their biggest result was probably the victory over Roscommon. May have been fortunate with their qualifier and Super 8 draw.
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 11, 2019, 06:18:13 PM
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Quote from: tonto1888 on August 11, 2019, 06:06:00 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 11, 2019, 06:02:49 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 11, 2019, 05:58:34 PM
Quote from: gallsman on August 11, 2019, 05:56:25 PM
As for the claim O'Brien should get off, absolute nonsense. That last tackle should see him miss the final entirely in its own merits.
Why???
Cause it was the exact same one as sean cavanagh committed but there was absolutely no mention of it.
And that has what relevance?
It's Tyrone paranoia, the persecution complex, the relevance is everywhere.
😂😂😂😂 everyone comes out of the wood work to condemn Sean cavanagh. Exact same challenge happens today and same people act like it's no big deal. Some gaa fans are really soccer fans in disguise
Again, what relevance has that got
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 11, 2019, 06:16:03 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 11, 2019, 06:10:33 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on August 11, 2019, 06:09:06 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 11, 2019, 06:07:00 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on August 11, 2019, 06:06:28 PM
Tyrone should have had penalty too. Not a Tyrone fan in the slightest but ref was awful. Kerry's antics were a disgrace.
When should they have had a oenalty
Peter Harte goal chance. He was been held.
Never a penalty, Harte fluffed his lines. He done a disappearing act today was largely anonymous.
Harte didn't do a disappearing act. Watch the game and you will see him constantly being pulled to the ground off the ball. What's the difference in Murphy's penalty against mayo, both murphy and harte were being pulled back.
It would have been a very harsh penalty, McShane should have taken his point to be honest.
Harte was blackguarded all game ong though, Deegan was watching it right in front of his eyes for most of it, every time he tried to make a run he was being checked or dragged, he could spot a foul 60 yards down the pitch though. He never even spoke to Sean O'Shea or Tom O'Sullivan, he basically gave them free reign to interfere and foul Harte for the duration of the game.
The most annoying aspect of Deegan is that he has been doing Kerry's bidding for over a decade now and he is still consistently getting tasked with handling big games involving them, sniggering away at players as he screws them.
Deegan like McQuillan always likeso be star of the Show especially if the game is being televised live.
im a tyrone person but kind of happy kerry won because i dont like a load of drunkards around the place on final day
Quote from: irish345 on August 11, 2019, 06:22:21 PM
im a tyrone person but kind of happy kerry won because i dont like a load of drunkards around the place on final day
There was 34000 at the game sounded like 20000 from Kerry suspect wouldn't have been a big demand for tickets from Tyrone folk.
Quote from: t_mac on August 11, 2019, 06:13:24 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on August 11, 2019, 06:09:06 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 11, 2019, 06:07:00 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on August 11, 2019, 06:06:28 PM
Tyrone should have had penalty too. Not a Tyrone fan in the slightest but ref was awful. Kerry's antics were a disgrace.
When should they have had a oenalty
Peter Harte goal chance. He was been held.
Keeper made great save and then nearly got his head taken off.
That wasn't as bad as commentary made out. Ryan put his head down to charge past the attacker and got clipped. A foul and a yellow cut certainly nothing more.
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 11, 2019, 05:58:34 PM
Quote from: gallsman on August 11, 2019, 05:56:25 PM
As for the claim O'Brien should get off, absolute nonsense. That last tackle should see him miss the final entirely in its own merits.
Why???
That was a joke. I was using the concept of hyperbole to show how ridiculous his challenge was.
This "I wouldn't want anyone to miss a final" shite can f**k off. If you're picking up cards like that all year, a suspension is due.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 11, 2019, 06:10:33 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on August 11, 2019, 06:09:06 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 11, 2019, 06:07:00 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on August 11, 2019, 06:06:28 PM
Tyrone should have had penalty too. Not a Tyrone fan in the slightest but ref was awful. Kerry's antics were a disgrace.
When should they have had a oenalty
Peter Harte goal chance. He was been held.
Never a penalty, Harte fluffed his lines. He done a disappearing act today was largely anonymous.
He was deliberated held to prevent him from getting to the ball. It was a slight holding but he it prevented him reaching the ball.... if he had went down he'd have had a penalty all day long... but with deegan reffing prob not
Quote from: hardstation on August 11, 2019, 06:31:07 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 11, 2019, 05:56:11 PM
Thought Tyrone were Deegan'd personally. 3 terrible decisions, 3 points for Kerry at the start of the second half shifted momentum towards Kerry. Really can't see Kerry getting within 7.
This, for me. He brought Kerry right into the game. Tyrone were the better team over the course of the game. That said, they failed to make it count. Harsh to point a finger at one player but McGeary totally fcuked it today.
It's not going to do Tyrone supporters reading and believing any of this type of thing. They are hyped up year upon year as an All-Ireland contenders yet repeatedly come unstuck against good opposition in Croke Park. It'll probably be the same come next year.
1st half Tyrone 0-9 Kerry 0-5
2nd half Tyrone 0-9 Kerry 1-13
Simple analysis. A game of two halves. When on top 1st half Tyrone didn't score enough and Kerry made them pay 2nd half. 1-13 a very impressive scoring total in one half against a good defence like Tyrones. A goal in a game like that was always going to be key and it was hard to see Kerry losing once O'Brien hit the net.
Tyrone not as good as last year a lot of iffy performances from them this year they haven't been able to play well in both halves in most of their games. Kerry will know if they play as poorly in the 1st half in the AI final as they did today it will be game over for them by the break.
I would have said it was like yesterday on a slightly lesser scale. Tyrone didn't make their periods of dominance count and Kerry did. Also they couldn't sustain the job they were doing on the Kerry forwards the whole game.
That being said they had so much more dominance than Kerry but just didn't have the forwards, mcshane aside, to make it count.
I don't think anyone could watch that match objectively and say Tyrone are/were more guilty of diving / cynicism than Kerry.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 11, 2019, 06:40:05 PM
1st half Tyrone 0-9 Kerry 0-5
2nd half Tyrone 0-9 Kerry 1-13
Simple analysis. A game of two halves. When on top 1st half Tyrone didn't score enough and Kerry made them pay 2nd half. 1-13 a very impressive scoring total in one half against a good defence like Tyrones. A goal in a game like that was always going to be key and it was hard to see Kerry losing once O'Brien hit the net.
Tyrone not as good as last year a lot of iffy performances from them this year they haven't been able to play well in both halves in most of their games. Kerry will know if they play as poorly in the 1st half in the AI final as they did today it will be game over for them by the break.
A lot of truth with that.
Tyrone really have to look at themselves in how they lost that game and Kerry have to be extremely grateful to Maurice Deegan in how they won that game.
In a few days time everyone who re watches the game will see it for the screw job it was. Tyrone all over kerry in first half but a fair enough ref performance minus the constant fouls on Petey harte. Right at the start of the 2nd half something major happend, deegan came out a blow fouls constantly for kery in first 15 minutes to bring them back in it, Tyrone heads dropped then game over.
Quote from: gallsman on August 11, 2019, 06:36:41 PM
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Quote from: tonto1888 on August 11, 2019, 06:07:00 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on August 11, 2019, 06:06:28 PM
Tyrone should have had penalty too. Not a Tyrone fan in the slightest but ref was awful. Kerry's antics were a disgrace.
When should they have had a oenalty
Peter Harte goal chance. He was been held.
Keeper made great save and then nearly got his head taken off.
That wasn't as bad as commentary made out. Ryan put his head down to charge past the attacker and got clipped. A foul and a yellow cut certainly nothing more.
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 11, 2019, 05:58:34 PM
Quote from: gallsman on August 11, 2019, 05:56:25 PM
As for the claim O'Brien should get off, absolute nonsense. That last tackle should see him miss the final entirely in its own merits.
Why???
That was a joke. I was using the concept of hyperbole to show how ridiculous his challenge was.
This "I wouldn't want anyone to miss a final" shite can f**k off. If you're picking up cards like that all year, a suspension is due.
Fair enough. I agree with that. And Spillanes amnesty for the final was a load of BS too
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 11, 2019, 06:46:25 PM
I would have said it was like yesterday on a slightly lesser scale. Tyrone didn't make their periods of dominance count and Kerry did. Also they couldn't sustain the job they were doing on the Kerry forwards the whole game.
That being said they had so much more dominance than Kerry but just didn't have the forwards, mcshane aside, to make it count.
I don't think anyone could watch that match objectively and say Tyrone are/were more guilty of diving / cynicism than Kerry.
To a degree, I think around 50% of Kerry's scores in the first 45-50 minutes of the game came from very dubious frees and that kept them in it up to that point. If Tyrone had been 6/7 points in the match at that stage like they should have been I'd say they would have seen it out. Usually you expect a referee when he makes a few very dodgy calls in favour of one side that it will mean he is more reluctant to give the next debatable one but Deegan just kept giving more and more questionable ones each time to Kerry. It's nothing new with Deegan, he's worth 5 points to Kerry against any team they are playing, he's like a doe eyed child meeting his heroes when Kerry are involved.
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 11, 2019, 06:49:08 PM
In a few days time everyone who re watches the game will see it for the screw job it was. Tyrone all over kerry in first half but a fair enough ref performance minus the constant fouls on Petey harte. Right at the start of the 2nd half something major happend, deegan came out a blow fouls constantly for kery in first 15 minutes to bring them back in it, Tyrone heads dropped then game over.
The heads dropping is a failing with Tyrone that we've seen too often now, great teams react in the face of adversity and this team collapses. Look at the All Ireland final against Dublin last year, we just threw it away in a matter of moments when we were licking our wounds. Tyrone didn't react right today and that part of it is not down to Deegan.
Have no love for Tyrone but today Deegan did ride them when the game was in the balance. However they need to look at their own team also, they are an athletic side but also have a lot of very ordinary players. The job Kerry done on Harte today was obviously a tactic. They knew if they stopped Harte, Donnelly and McShane today then Tyrone hadn't much else. McShane played well whilst Donnelly had some moments but Harte was completely nullified whether legal or illegal.
Not really impressed by either team.
In the first half you'd swear Kerry had never seen Tyrone play.
I think the jury is still out in terms of Keane as a senior manager - Kerry were fortunate they were still in the game when he made the changes.
Can see Dublin winning by 10+
I thought Deegan had a reasonable enough game. Definitely wasn't a factor in who won/lost imo.
For me the big thing for Tyrone was the amount of times Tyrone got posession in towards goal in the first half but failed to create a goal chance was way too high.
Also I thought the camerawork was beyond awful - the amount of crowd shots,shots of the sideline and replays of efforts shown while play was going on was beyond belief.
If I were head of GAA I'd be complaining to RTE it was so bad.
Enda McGinley lays it on the line for this current Tyrone squad today
Reminding that Tyrone haven't beat any of the big 3 Dublin, Kerry or Mayo since 2008 in championship
"Essentially this means that Tyrone can be viewed as good, but not 'top level' good"
Massive opportunity on Sunday to put this right
The wait goes on...
Quote from: gallsman on August 11, 2019, 05:56:25 PM
As for the claim O'Brien should get off, absolute nonsense. That last tackle should see him miss the final entirely in its own merits.
Catch yourself on. Was harmless tackle you'd swear he boxed the head off someone. Hope he gets off.
Quote from: mrdeeds on August 11, 2019, 06:09:06 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 11, 2019, 06:07:00 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on August 11, 2019, 06:06:28 PM
Tyrone should have had penalty too. Not a Tyrone fan in the slightest but ref was awful. Kerry's antics were a disgrace.
When should they have had a oenalty
Peter Harte goal chance. He was been held.
Na he just fluffed it.
O'Brien was so cocksure he would get off in the interview after I nearly hope he doesn't. Why he even chanced a rugby tackle at that very late stage when the game was practically won I have no idea.
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Quote from: gallsman on August 11, 2019, 05:56:25 PM
As for the claim O'Brien should get off, absolute nonsense. That last tackle should see him miss the final entirely in its own merits.
Catch yourself on. Was harmless tackle you'd swear he boxed the head off someone. Hope he gets off.
How can he get off?
Apparently his black against Meath was very harsh and he's gonna appeal that one
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 11, 2019, 06:59:40 PM
Quote from: gallsman on August 11, 2019, 05:56:25 PM
As for the claim O'Brien should get off, absolute nonsense. That last tackle should see him miss the final entirely in its own merits.
Catch yourself on. Was harmless tackle you'd swear he boxed the head off someone. Hope he gets off.
Sigh. Read the thread.
Why should he get off?!
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 11, 2019, 06:59:40 PM
Quote from: gallsman on August 11, 2019, 05:56:25 PM
As for the claim O'Brien should get off, absolute nonsense. That last tackle should see him miss the final entirely in its own merits.
Catch yourself on. Was harmless tackle you'd swear he boxed the head off someone. Hope he gets off.
Did you say the same after Sean cavanagh tackle??
Quote from: hardstation on August 11, 2019, 07:01:34 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 11, 2019, 06:59:40 PM
Quote from: gallsman on August 11, 2019, 05:56:25 PM
As for the claim O'Brien should get off, absolute nonsense. That last tackle should see him miss the final entirely in its own merits.
Catch yourself on. Was harmless tackle you'd swear he boxed the head off someone. Hope he gets off.
How can he get off?
He can get one of the earlier black cards overturned. Todays was obviously stonewall.
Quote from: t_mac on August 11, 2019, 06:31:44 PM
Quote from: irish345 on August 11, 2019, 06:22:21 PM
im a tyrone person but kind of happy kerry won because i dont like a load of drunkards around the place on final day
There was 34000 at the game sounded like 20000 from Kerry suspect wouldn't have been a big demand for tickets from Tyrone folk.
There were more Tyrone fans there than Kerry
Quote from: twohands!!! on August 11, 2019, 06:56:47 PM
Not really impressed by either team.
In the first half you'd swear Kerry had never seen Tyrone play.
I think the jury is still out in terms of Keane as a senior manager - Kerry were fortunate they were still in the game when he made the changes.
Can see Dublin winning by 10+
I thought Deegan had a reasonable enough game. Definitely wasn't a factor in who won/lost imo.
For me the big thing for Tyrone was the amount of times Tyrone got posession in towards goal in the first half but failed to create a goal chance was way too high.
Also I thought the camerawork was beyond awful - the amount of crowd shots,shots of the sideline and replays of efforts shown while play was going on was beyond belief.
If I were head of GAA I'd be complaining to RTE it was so bad.
You must have watched the match with the sound turned down if that was the biggest complaint you had about the RTÉ coverage!!
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 11, 2019, 07:03:05 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 11, 2019, 06:59:40 PM
Quote from: gallsman on August 11, 2019, 05:56:25 PM
As for the claim O'Brien should get off, absolute nonsense. That last tackle should see him miss the final entirely in its own merits.
Catch yourself on. Was harmless tackle you'd swear he boxed the head off someone. Hope he gets off.
Did you say the same after Sean cavanagh tackle??
Yes actually to be honest. Man did what he had to do. You'd rather him do that than have allowed the man through on goal and would fully hope and expect any Armagh player would do the same in that situation. Anyone who says different is talking out of their arse. Although O'Briens today was just stupid, man wasn't going to get a goal but better safe than sorry.
Quote from: hardstation on August 11, 2019, 06:31:07 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 11, 2019, 05:56:11 PM
Thought Tyrone were Deegan'd personally. 3 terrible decisions, 3 points for Kerry at the start of the second half shifted momentum towards Kerry. Really can't see Kerry getting within 7.
This, for me. He brought Kerry right into the game. Tyrone were the better team over the course of the game. That said, they failed to make it count. Harsh to point a finger at one player but McGeary totally fcuked it today.
Can't see how you come that conclusion. Better in the first half by some distance but still didn't put Kerry away. Kerry by far the better team in the second half and did put Tyrone away. The frees were soft but not frees that you haven't seen given in other games. There are very soft frees given in every game as far as I can see. I think Tyrone would be fooling themselves if they focused on the ref too much.
Quote from: Angelo on August 11, 2019, 06:53:16 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 11, 2019, 06:46:25 PM
I would have said it was like yesterday on a slightly lesser scale. Tyrone didn't make their periods of dominance count and Kerry did. Also they couldn't sustain the job they were doing on the Kerry forwards the whole game.
That being said they had so much more dominance than Kerry but just didn't have the forwards, mcshane aside, to make it count.
I don't think anyone could watch that match objectively and say Tyrone are/were more guilty of diving / cynicism than Kerry.
To a degree, I think around 50% of Kerry's scores in the first 45-50 minutes of the game came from very dubious frees and that kept them in it up to that point. If Tyrone had been 6/7 points in the match at that stage like they should have been I'd say they would have seen it out. Usually you expect a referee when he makes a few very dodgy calls in favour of one side that it will mean he is more reluctant to give the next debatable one but Deegan just kept giving more and more questionable ones each time to Kerry. It's nothing new with Deegan, he's worth 5 points to Kerry against any team they are playing, he's like a doe eyed child meeting his heroes when Kerry are involved.
I don't think Deegan had a five point influence in that game and 50% is a gross exaggeration.
I wanted Tyrone to win but they just didn't make their dominance count at all. Referee aside I really felt they let that game go today and should have won.
O'brien should have had a black card for Donegal penalty as well as his others. (Can't recall if he got black carded in remainder of that game.
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 11, 2019, 07:07:35 PM
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Quote from: Armagh18 on August 11, 2019, 06:59:40 PM
Quote from: gallsman on August 11, 2019, 05:56:25 PM
As for the claim O'Brien should get off, absolute nonsense. That last tackle should see him miss the final entirely in its own merits.
Catch yourself on. Was harmless tackle you'd swear he boxed the head off someone. Hope he gets off.
Did you say the same after Sean cavanagh tackle??
Yes actually to be honest. Man did what he had to do. You'd rather him do that than have allowed the man through on goal and would fully hope and expect any Armagh player would do the same in that situation. Anyone who says different is talking out of their arse. Although O'Briens today was just stupid, man wasn't going to get a goal but better safe than sorry.
Totally agree. It had to be done but the issue is there was a nation wide witch hunt after Sean's tackle but not a single word said about it never mind the mans character wasnt even questioned as Sean's was. Totally different standards to which I am sick ok.
Take in Dublins dominance and some of the referring displays the game is a disaster.
Peter Harte seemed to get away with a strike towards the end. The commentators didn't even notice it. He wasn't that effective today, was well marked in the first half.
Mcshane got some good scores but also poor misses, a bad free and another on the wing.
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Peter Harte seemed to get away with a strike towards the end. The commentators didn't even notice it. He wasn't that effective today, was well marked in the first half.
Mcshane got some good scores but also poor misses, a bad free and another on the wing.
Peter Harte was dragged, pulled, checked and held all game long in front of Deegan's eyes.
I'm suprised Deegan didn't bring out a saddle for Tom O'Sullivan at half time.
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As for the claim O'Brien should get off, absolute nonsense. That last tackle should see him miss the final entirely in its own merits.
Catch yourself on. Was harmless tackle you'd swear he boxed the head off someone. Hope he gets off.
Did you say the same after Sean cavanagh tackle??
Yes actually to be honest. Man did what he had to do. You'd rather him do that than have allowed the man through on goal and would fully hope and expect any Armagh player would do the same in that situation. Anyone who says different is talking out of their arse. Although O'Briens today was just stupid, man wasn't going to get a goal but better safe than sorry.
Totally agree. It had to be done but the issue is there was a nation wide witch hunt after Sean's tackle but not a single word said about it never mind the mans character wasnt even questioned as Sean's was. Totally different standards to which I am sick ok.
Take in Dublins dominance and some of the referring displays the game is a disaster.
In fairness Brolly wasn't on the panel today
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Thought Tyrone were Deegan'd personally. 3 terrible decisions, 3 points for Kerry at the start of the second half shifted momentum towards Kerry. Really can't see Kerry getting within 7.
This, for me. He brought Kerry right into the game. Tyrone were the better team over the course of the game. That said, they failed to make it count. Harsh to point a finger at one player but McGeary totally fcuked it today.
Can't see how you come that conclusion. Better in the first half by some distance but still didn't put Kerry away. Kerry by far the better team in the second half and did put Tyrone away. The frees were soft but not frees that you haven't seen given in other games. There are very soft frees given in every game as far as I can see. I think Tyrone would be fooling themselves if they focused on the ref too much.
I watched the game.
And still came to that conclusion? Fair enough.
Lowest attendance at an AI semi final in almost 25 years and even the Kerry supporters turned up. Where were the Tyrone supporters? Saving up for the final?
I do feel like a different ref and we'd have won that. It started at the second half when Tyrone were attacking and Niall sludden was hailed to the ground off the ball. He gave a hop ball and Kerry went up the pitch and got another soft free to score. It was as good as a 2 point swing. 2 more phantom frees after gave Kerry belief and confidence that they ill deserved. That was the telling time in the game and I feel Deegan brought Kerry back into it, to be fair the picked themselves up and finished it off but without that 10min period they wouldn't have gained a foothold in the game.
One hell of a marking job done on Harte today. Would have been proud of it. Completely taken out. Deegan knew it was going on but couldn't hang his hat on any antic.
On the Sludden incident. Geaney was very sneaky how he did that. I don't think any other refs would have had any other conclusion. I think it was too sneaky to be caught by anything other than tv.
I thought Tyrone might lose 3 finals on the trot to the Dubs like Mayo but they are not that consistent
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On the Sludden incident. Geaney was very sneaky how he did that. I don't think any other refs would have had any other conclusion. I think it was too sneaky to be caught by anything other than tv.
He should have told the two of them to get the feck up and play on. He clearly seen nothing so shouldn't have booked anyone.
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On the Sludden incident. Geaney was very sneaky how he did that. I don't think any other refs would have had any other conclusion. I think it was too sneaky to be caught by anything other than tv.
I think a few lost the heads after this. Fair play Kerry. Ricey et al did this.
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 11, 2019, 07:17:40 PM
On the Sludden incident. Geaney was very sneaky how he did that. I don't think any other refs would have had any other conclusion. I think it was too sneaky to be caught by anything other than tv.
Tyrone were in possession of the ball, he could have let play develop and then brought it back when it had stopped, instead he threw the ball in. Referees should never make assumptions, Deegan was going around there today making green and gold tinted assumptions on every decision.
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On the Sludden incident. Geaney was very sneaky how he did that. I don't think any other refs would have had any other conclusion. I think it was too sneaky to be caught by anything other than tv.
That was an absolute disgrace.
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On the Sludden incident. Geaney was very sneaky how he did that. I don't think any other refs would have had any other conclusion. I think it was too sneaky to be caught by anything other than tv.
Tyrone were in possession of the ball, he could have let play develop and then brought it back when it had stopped, instead he threw the ball in. Referees should never make assumptions, Deegan was going around there today making green and gold tinted assumptions on every decision.
He looked round and seen two players wrestling on the ground. What did you want him to do. Kerry got a soft enough free more or less straight after and scored. Then Tyrone okayed sone lovely football got the ball to slidden who missed when it was easier to score. Can't blame the ref on that. Kerry went straight down the pitch and scored. 2 points in it. Should have been 4
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On the Sludden incident. Geaney was very sneaky how he did that. I don't think any other refs would have had any other conclusion. I think it was too sneaky to be caught by anything other than tv.
Tyrone were in possession of the ball, he could have let play develop and then brought it back when it had stopped, instead he threw the ball in. Referees should never make assumptions, Deegan was going around there today making green and gold tinted assumptions on every decision.
Don't agree. He gave us 2 frees in second half from way down the field he didn't see and based it on linesmen. He just got some stuff wrong and Kerry capitalised.
Angelo if tyrone were attacking and he deemed a Tyrone player to have committed an offense, which he obviously did as Sludden got a yellow, why wouldn't he stop it?
Name one referee who doesn't make assumptions.
Geaney's behaviour wasn't great but honestly the ref couldn't see it. He can be faulted but not for this one imo.
When Deegan looked at it, it was Sludden on top of his man. Impossible to call.
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When Deegan looked at it, it was Sludden on top of his man. Impossible to call.
Exactly
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Thought Tyrone were Deegan'd personally. 3 terrible decisions, 3 points for Kerry at the start of the second half shifted momentum towards Kerry. Really can't see Kerry getting within 7.
This, for me. He brought Kerry right into the game. Tyrone were the better team over the course of the game. That said, they failed to make it count. Harsh to point a finger at one player but McGeary totally fcuked it today.
Can't see how you come that conclusion. Better in the first half by some distance but still didn't put Kerry away. Kerry by far the better team in the second half and did put Tyrone away. The frees were soft but not frees that you haven't seen given in other games. There are very soft frees given in every game as far as I can see. I think Tyrone would be fooling themselves if they focused on the ref too much.
I watched the game.
And still came to that conclusion? Fair enough.
Absolutely. The ref dragged Kerry back into it with some terrible decisions at the start of the 2nd half. Tyrone fcuked it away at times (McGeary, in particular). They also didn't take their chances. In general though, they played the better football in the game.
My 1st post, written again, in different words.
Again, fair enough but would disagree. Kerry lost the first half but won the second half. I'm open to correction but when Tyrone were on top in the first half they didn't have many wides. Kerry missed more in the first half albeit due to good Tyrone defending in many cases. There were definitely some poor decisions by the ref and it certainly helped Kerry but I don't think Tyrone were in any way the better team. Kerry played them poorly in the first half and Tyrone couldn't make enough of it. Once Kerry sorted themselves out and made adjustments they pulled away and won fairly comfortably.
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On the Sludden incident. Geaney was very sneaky how he did that. I don't think any other refs would have had any other conclusion. I think it was too sneaky to be caught by anything other than tv.
Tyrone were in possession of the ball, he could have let play develop and then brought it back when it had stopped, instead he threw the ball in. Referees should never make assumptions, Deegan was going around there today making green and gold tinted assumptions on every decision.
He looked round and seen two players wrestling on the ground. What did you want him to do. Kerry got a soft enough free more or less straight after and scored. Then Tyrone okayed sone lovely football got the ball to slidden who missed when it was easier to score. Can't blame the ref on that. Kerry went straight down the pitch and scored. 2 points in it. Should have been 4
Play on and not make an assumption. What did you want him to do? Make a guess? Why would Sludden have wanted Tyrone to lose a possession in a dangerous area of the pitch? Of course you can't blame the referee for Tyrone mistake, but you can certainly blame him for making guesses which were completely and utterly incorrect and had a tangible impact on the scoreboard. Deegan had an undue impact on the game today, it's not the first time this has happened with Kerry.
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When Deegan looked at it, it was Sludden on top of his man. Impossible to call.
Exactly
So why did he call it?
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On the Sludden incident. Geaney was very sneaky how he did that. I don't think any other refs would have had any other conclusion. I think it was too sneaky to be caught by anything other than tv.
That was an absolute disgrace.
Why did you lock the Kerry v Tyrone thread?
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On the Sludden incident. Geaney was very sneaky how he did that. I don't think any other refs would have had any other conclusion. I think it was too sneaky to be caught by anything other than tv.
Tyrone were in possession of the ball, he could have let play develop and then brought it back when it had stopped, instead he threw the ball in. Referees should never make assumptions, Deegan was going around there today making green and gold tinted assumptions on every decision.
He looked round and seen two players wrestling on the ground. What did you want him to do. Kerry got a soft enough free more or less straight after and scored. Then Tyrone okayed sone lovely football got the ball to slidden who missed when it was easier to score. Can't blame the ref on that. Kerry went straight down the pitch and scored. 2 points in it. Should have been 4
Play on and not make an assumption. What did you want him to do? Make a guess? Why would Sludden have wanted Tyrone to lose a possession in a dangerous area of the pitch? Of course you can't blame the referee for Tyrone mistake, but you can certainly blame him for making guesses which were completely and utterly incorrect and had a tangible impact on the scoreboard. Deegan had an undue impact on the game today, it's not the first time this has happened with Kerry.
Play on when there are two people wrestling in front of him? Really?
3 frees for Kerry in the first 11 mins of the second half. 1 was very soft. Two definite frees
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On the Sludden incident. Geaney was very sneaky how he did that. I don't think any other refs would have had any other conclusion. I think it was too sneaky to be caught by anything other than tv.
Tyrone were in possession of the ball, he could have let play develop and then brought it back when it had stopped, instead he threw the ball in. Referees should never make assumptions, Deegan was going around there today making green and gold tinted assumptions on every decision.
He looked round and seen two players wrestling on the ground. What did you want him to do. Kerry got a soft enough free more or less straight after and scored. Then Tyrone okayed sone lovely football got the ball to slidden who missed when it was easier to score. Can't blame the ref on that. Kerry went straight down the pitch and scored. 2 points in it. Should have been 4
Play on and not make an assumption. What did you want him to do? Make a guess? Why would Sludden have wanted Tyrone to lose a possession in a dangerous area of the pitch? Of course you can't blame the referee for Tyrone mistake, but you can certainly blame him for making guesses which were completely and utterly incorrect and had a tangible impact on the scoreboard. Deegan had an undue impact on the game today, it's not the first time this has happened with Kerry.
Play on when there are two people wrestling in front of him? Really?
Yes. Would soon stop players getting involved in shite if the games going on without them. You'd feel like some gobshite if you were getting involved in handbags and your man went up and scored a goal.
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On the Sludden incident. Geaney was very sneaky how he did that. I don't think any other refs would have had any other conclusion. I think it was too sneaky to be caught by anything other than tv.
Tyrone were in possession of the ball, he could have let play develop and then brought it back when it had stopped, instead he threw the ball in. Referees should never make assumptions, Deegan was going around there today making green and gold tinted assumptions on every decision.
He looked round and seen two players wrestling on the ground. What did you want him to do. Kerry got a soft enough free more or less straight after and scored. Then Tyrone okayed sone lovely football got the ball to slidden who missed when it was easier to score. Can't blame the ref on that. Kerry went straight down the pitch and scored. 2 points in it. Should have been 4
Play on and not make an assumption. What did you want him to do? Make a guess? Why would Sludden have wanted Tyrone to lose a possession in a dangerous area of the pitch? Of course you can't blame the referee for Tyrone mistake, but you can certainly blame him for making guesses which were completely and utterly incorrect and had a tangible impact on the scoreboard. Deegan had an undue impact on the game today, it's not the first time this has happened with Kerry.
Play on when there are two people wrestling in front of him? Really?
Indirect free to the team who had the ball!!
Two players wrestling on the ground and you want a free for the team who had the ball? Really?
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Thought Tyrone were Deegan'd personally. 3 terrible decisions, 3 points for Kerry at the start of the second half shifted momentum towards Kerry. Really can't see Kerry getting within 7.
This, for me. He brought Kerry right into the game. Tyrone were the better team over the course of the game. That said, they failed to make it count. Harsh to point a finger at one player but McGeary totally fcuked it today.
Can't see how you come that conclusion. Better in the first half by some distance but still didn't put Kerry away. Kerry by far the better team in the second half and did put Tyrone away. The frees were soft but not frees that you haven't seen given in other games. There are very soft frees given in every game as far as I can see. I think Tyrone would be fooling themselves if they focused on the ref too much.
I watched the game.
And still came to that conclusion? Fair enough.
Absolutely. The ref dragged Kerry back into it with some terrible decisions at the start of the 2nd half. Tyrone fcuked it away at times (McGeary, in particular). They also didn't take their chances. In general though, they played the better football in the game.
My 1st post, written again, in different words.
Again, fair enough but would disagree. Kerry lost the first half but won the second half. I'm open to correction but when Tyrone were on top in the first half they didn't have many wides. Kerry missed more in the first half albeit due to good Tyrone defending in many cases. There were definitely some poor decisions by the ref and it certainly helped Kerry but I don't think Tyrone were in any way the better team. Kerry played them poorly in the first half and Tyrone couldn't make enough of it. Once Kerry sorted themselves out and made adjustments they pulled away and won fairly comfortably.
No offence but i hate that type of comment when a team wins a contest by just 1 score.
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On the Sludden incident. Geaney was very sneaky how he did that. I don't think any other refs would have had any other conclusion. I think it was too sneaky to be caught by anything other than tv.
I think a few lost the heads after this. Fair play Kerry. Ricey et al did this.
Spot on O'Neill! Don't remember Tyrone supporters complaining when Gormley and Ricey using similar methods to get under the Gooch's skin. Unfortunately there aren't more like you that can take a mature look at things and I include supporters of my own county in that. When it came down to it today in the second half, a group of young Kerry players, led by Moran, Geaney et al, grabbed the game by the scruff of the neck, kept their heads and bossed Tyrone in the 3rd quarter. The Flat Track Bullies missed several handy scores and lost their heads when it was put up to them.
Also, I couldn't believe what I was hearing from the commentary today on RTE. Kerry 2-3 pts down and to listen to Ger Canning / Dessie Dolan you would have thought there was 10 pts in it. Tyrone's big problem was that for all their dominance in the first half, they didn't show it on the scoreboard. They can have all the complaints they like about soft frees, but after all the diving and cheap frees they have bought down the years, there'll not be too many tears for them elsewhere in the country.
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On the Sludden incident. Geaney was very sneaky how he did that. I don't think any other refs would have had any other conclusion. I think it was too sneaky to be caught by anything other than tv.
Tyrone were in possession of the ball, he could have let play develop and then brought it back when it had stopped, instead he threw the ball in. Referees should never make assumptions, Deegan was going around there today making green and gold tinted assumptions on every decision.
He looked round and seen two players wrestling on the ground. What did you want him to do. Kerry got a soft enough free more or less straight after and scored. Then Tyrone okayed sone lovely football got the ball to slidden who missed when it was easier to score. Can't blame the ref on that. Kerry went straight down the pitch and scored. 2 points in it. Should have been 4
Play on and not make an assumption. What did you want him to do? Make a guess? Why would Sludden have wanted Tyrone to lose a possession in a dangerous area of the pitch? Of course you can't blame the referee for Tyrone mistake, but you can certainly blame him for making guesses which were completely and utterly incorrect and had a tangible impact on the scoreboard. Deegan had an undue impact on the game today, it's not the first time this has happened with Kerry.
Play on when there are two people wrestling in front of him? Really?
Who was wrestling? Sludden has his two hands up in the air showing he was trying to get up?
The alternative you are suggesting is that referees should be going around the pitch trying to second guess what just happened, you surely have to realise how absurd it is what you are suggesting?
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When Deegan looked at it, it was Sludden on top of his man. Impossible to call.
At the time I actually thought it was Sludden who dragged Geaney to take a defender out of the play but on the replay it was clearly Geaney who was holding on to Sludden. He should have just told the lads to get up and get on with it unless either himself or a linesman saw what happened. Once he stopped play to deal with it I think he might have had to restart with a throw in. If it had been an injury stoppage Tyrone would get to restart as the team in possession but for that incident I think he had to restart with a throw in, though open to correction.
It was a terrible decision but one that many refs make.
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On the Sludden incident. Geaney was very sneaky how he did that. I don't think any other refs would have had any other conclusion. I think it was too sneaky to be caught by anything other than tv.
Tyrone were in possession of the ball, he could have let play develop and then brought it back when it had stopped, instead he threw the ball in. Referees should never make assumptions, Deegan was going around there today making green and gold tinted assumptions on every decision.
He looked round and seen two players wrestling on the ground. What did you want him to do. Kerry got a soft enough free more or less straight after and scored. Then Tyrone okayed sone lovely football got the ball to slidden who missed when it was easier to score. Can't blame the ref on that. Kerry went straight down the pitch and scored. 2 points in it. Should have been 4
Play on and not make an assumption. What did you want him to do? Make a guess? Why would Sludden have wanted Tyrone to lose a possession in a dangerous area of the pitch? Of course you can't blame the referee for Tyrone mistake, but you can certainly blame him for making guesses which were completely and utterly incorrect and had a tangible impact on the scoreboard. Deegan had an undue impact on the game today, it's not the first time this has happened with Kerry.
Play on when there are two people wrestling in front of him? Really?
Indirect free to the team who had the ball!!
Two players wrestling on the ground and you want a free for the team who had the ball? Really?
Obviously. He doesn't know who started it.
If Dublin are playing keep ball with 5 to go, what's to stop Kerry starting a wrestling match to get a hop ball?
If he doesn't know who started it why give a free to any team?
Absolutely nothing. Sure Dublin were more or less at that craic in the 2017 final
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3 frees for Kerry in the first 11 mins of the second half. 1 was very soft. Two definite frees
Soft????
2 were very very soft and likely not frees, one was never a free in a million years.
You're kind of losing the run of yourself here Angelo...
Hs that could happen though is unlikely to.
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Thought Tyrone were Deegan'd personally. 3 terrible decisions, 3 points for Kerry at the start of the second half shifted momentum towards Kerry. Really can't see Kerry getting within 7.
This, for me. He brought Kerry right into the game. Tyrone were the better team over the course of the game. That said, they failed to make it count. Harsh to point a finger at one player but McGeary totally fcuked it today.
Can't see how you come that conclusion. Better in the first half by some distance but still didn't put Kerry away. Kerry by far the better team in the second half and did put Tyrone away. The frees were soft but not frees that you haven't seen given in other games. There are very soft frees given in every game as far as I can see. I think Tyrone would be fooling themselves if they focused on the ref too much.
I watched the game.
And still came to that conclusion? Fair enough.
Absolutely. The ref dragged Kerry back into it with some terrible decisions at the start of the 2nd half. Tyrone fcuked it away at times (McGeary, in particular). They also didn't take their chances. In general though, they played the better football in the game.
My 1st post, written again, in different words.
Again, fair enough but would disagree. Kerry lost the first half but won the second half. I'm open to correction but when Tyrone were on top in the first half they didn't have many wides. Kerry missed more in the first half albeit due to good Tyrone defending in many cases. There were definitely some poor decisions by the ref and it certainly helped Kerry but I don't think Tyrone were in any way the better team. Kerry played them poorly in the first half and Tyrone couldn't make enough of it. Once Kerry sorted themselves out and made adjustments they pulled away and won fairly comfortably.
No offence but i hate that type of comment when a team wins a contest by just 1 score.
I thought Kerry were fairly comfortable winners in the end. I appreciate there was just the one score in it but Kerry won the second half by 7 and I didn't think Kerry were under any real pressure in the last 20 minutes.
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3 frees for Kerry in the first 11 mins of the second half. 1 was very soft. Two definite frees
Soft????
2 were very very soft and likely not frees, one was never a free in a million years.
One was never a free, I agree with that. The other two were definite frees. The first one for holding. The second one was a foul by your number 6. He pulled the guy back by the shoulder. He didn't even need to. I'd be more annoyed at him than the ref if I was a Tyrone fan
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On the Sludden incident. Geaney was very sneaky how he did that. I don't think any other refs would have had any other conclusion. I think it was too sneaky to be caught by anything other than tv.
I think a few lost the heads after this. Fair play Kerry. Ricey et al did this.
Spot on O'Neill! Don't remember Tyrone supporters complaining when Gormley and Ricey using similar methods to get under the Gooch's skin. Unfortunately there aren't more like you that can take a mature look at things and I include supporters of my own county in that. When it came down to it today in the second half, a group of young Kerry players, led by Moran, Geaney et al, grabbed the game by the scruff of the neck, kept their heads and bossed Tyrone in the 3rd quarter. The Flat Track Bullies missed several handy scores and lost their heads when it was put up to them.
Also, I couldn't believe what I was hearing from the commentary today on RTE. Kerry 2-3 pts down and to listen to Ger Canning / Dessie Dolan you would have thought there was 10 pts in it. Tyrone's big problem was that for all their dominance in the first half, they didn't show it on the scoreboard. They can have all the complaints they like about soft frees, but after all the diving and cheap frees they have bought down the years, there'll not be too many tears for them elsewhere in the country.
Kept saying that to the missus. It was as if they had an obituary script written for Kerry. Tyrone weren't that good. And Kerry weren't that bad.
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On the Sludden incident. Geaney was very sneaky how he did that. I don't think any other refs would have had any other conclusion. I think it was too sneaky to be caught by anything other than tv.
Tyrone were in possession of the ball, he could have let play develop and then brought it back when it had stopped, instead he threw the ball in. Referees should never make assumptions, Deegan was going around there today making green and gold tinted assumptions on every decision.
He looked round and seen two players wrestling on the ground. What did you want him to do. Kerry got a soft enough free more or less straight after and scored. Then Tyrone okayed sone lovely football got the ball to slidden who missed when it was easier to score. Can't blame the ref on that. Kerry went straight down the pitch and scored. 2 points in it. Should have been 4
Play on and not make an assumption. What did you want him to do? Make a guess? Why would Sludden have wanted Tyrone to lose a possession in a dangerous area of the pitch? Of course you can't blame the referee for Tyrone mistake, but you can certainly blame him for making guesses which were completely and utterly incorrect and had a tangible impact on the scoreboard. Deegan had an undue impact on the game today, it's not the first time this has happened with Kerry.
Play on when there are two people wrestling in front of him? Really?
Indirect free to the team who had the ball!!
Two players wrestling on the ground and you want a free for the team who had the ball? Really?
Obviously. He doesn't know who started it.
If Dublin are playing keep ball with 5 to go, what's to stop Kerry starting a wrestling match to get a hop ball?
If he doesn't know who started it why give a free to any team?
Absolutely nothing. Sure Dublin were more or less at that craic in the 2017 final
An indirect free to the team who had the ball just gets the game restarted where it was. No team punished or awarded. Hopping the ball punishes & awards.
That's actually a fair point but what's the rule?
Not too annoyed at the result ;D
But genuinely thought Deegan was harsher on Tyrone.
That's two ulster teams this year he has influenced outcomes.
He will probably get the final.
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3 frees for Kerry in the first 11 mins of the second half. 1 was very soft. Two definite frees
Soft????
2 were very very soft and likely not frees, one was never a free in a million years.
One was never a free, I agree with that. The other two were definite frees. The first one for holding. The second one was a foul by your number 6. He pulled the guy back by the shoulder. He didn't even need to. I'd be more annoyed at him than the ref if I was a Tyrone fan
McGeary popped the ball out of the guys hands, there was very little contact. If that was a free in the scoring range then McShane and Donnelly had one every time the ball went down. Likewise for the Meyler one, it was a swandive from O'Shea. It's not netball, there is contact.
It's the sheer hypocrisy of what was deemed a foul at one end of the pitch and what wasn't at the other.
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3 frees for Kerry in the first 11 mins of the second half. 1 was very soft. Two definite frees
Soft????
2 were very very soft and likely not frees, one was never a free in a million years.
One was never a free, I agree with that. The other two were definite frees. The first one for holding. The second one was a foul by your number 6. He pulled the guy back by the shoulder. He didn't even need to. I'd be more annoyed at him than the ref if I was a Tyrone fan
McGeary popped the ball out of the guys hands, there was very little contact. If that was a free in the scoring range then McShane and Donnelly had one every time the ball went down. Likewise for the Meyler one, it was a swandive from O'Shea. It's not netball, there is contact.
It's the sheer hypocrisy of what was deemed a foul at one end of the pitch and what wasn't at the other.
He pulled the shoulder back mate. It was a dead cert free
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3 frees for Kerry in the first 11 mins of the second half. 1 was very soft. Two definite frees
Soft????
2 were very very soft and likely not frees, one was never a free in a million years.
One was never a free, I agree with that. The other two were definite frees. The first one for holding. The second one was a foul by your number 6. He pulled the guy back by the shoulder. He didn't even need to. I'd be more annoyed at him than the ref if I was a Tyrone fan
McGeary popped the ball out of the guys hands, there was very little contact. If that was a free in the scoring range then McShane and Donnelly had one every time the ball went down. Likewise for the Meyler one, it was a swandive from O'Shea. It's not netball, there is contact.
It's the sheer hypocrisy of what was deemed a foul at one end of the pitch and what wasn't at the other.
He pulled the shoulder back mate. It was a dead cert free
It's a very soft free, there was minimal contact - why did he ignore so many more obvious frees down the other end of the pitch? Donnelly had men hanging out of him anytime he won a ball, McShane the same.
McGeary clearly fouled him and worse didn't even need to. He dragged him back by the shoulder. Blatant free.
I'm not blaming Deegan for the result. Tyrones heads went at a crucial point in the game. When Kerry went 1 up it felt inevitable that they would win. That shouldnt be the case.
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McGeary clearly fouled him and worse didn't even need to. He dragged him back by the shoulder. Blatant free.
It was extremely soft when he was letting much more physical illegitimate contact go down the other end of the pitch. You have to judge a foul on what's being let go, the three frees Kerry got at the start of the second half were as soft as they come when compared to some of the stuff he let go at the other end of the pitch.
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On the Sludden incident. Geaney was very sneaky how he did that. I don't think any other refs would have had any other conclusion. I think it was too sneaky to be caught by anything other than tv.
Tyrone were in possession of the ball, he could have let play develop and then brought it back when it had stopped, instead he threw the ball in. Referees should never make assumptions, Deegan was going around there today making green and gold tinted assumptions on every decision.
He looked round and seen two players wrestling on the ground. What did you want him to do. Kerry got a soft enough free more or less straight after and scored. Then Tyrone okayed sone lovely football got the ball to slidden who missed when it was easier to score. Can't blame the ref on that. Kerry went straight down the pitch and scored. 2 points in it. Should have been 4
Play on and not make an assumption. What did you want him to do? Make a guess? Why would Sludden have wanted Tyrone to lose a possession in a dangerous area of the pitch? Of course you can't blame the referee for Tyrone mistake, but you can certainly blame him for making guesses which were completely and utterly incorrect and had a tangible impact on the scoreboard. Deegan had an undue impact on the game today, it's not the first time this has happened with Kerry.
Play on when there are two people wrestling in front of him? Really?
Indirect free to the team who had the ball!!
Two players wrestling on the ground and you want a free for the team who had the ball? Really?
Obviously. He doesn't know who started it.
If Dublin are playing keep ball with 5 to go, what's to stop Kerry starting a wrestling match to get a hop ball?
If he doesn't know who started it why give a free to any team?
Absolutely nothing. Sure Dublin were more or less at that craic in the 2017 final
An indirect free to the team who had the ball just gets the game restarted where it was. No team punished or awarded. Hopping the ball punishes & awards.
It was a bad call by Deegan but once he stopped it he had to restart with a throw in as per rule
2.3 When opposing players foul simultaneously, play is restarted by throwing in the ball.
While it wasn't fair on Tyrone, Deegan didn't make an incorrect call by restarting with the throw in.
Angelo it was a blatant foul. If you don't possess the objectivity to see that then it's kind of hard to take your complaints seriously.
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McGeary clearly fouled him and worse didn't even need to. He dragged him back by the shoulder. Blatant free.
It was extremely soft when he was letting much more physical illegitimate contact go down the other end of the pitch. You have to judge a foul on what's being let go, the three frees Kerry got at the start of the second half were as soft as they come when compared to some of the stuff he let go at the other end of the pitch.
It wasn't soft at all. It was a free all day.
Deegan is not good for northern teams. At least in this game he gave Tyrone additional time to get back into it.
Tyrone failed because they lost it on the sideline.
No change in tactics to deal with Kerry resurgence and change in attack with introduction of Walsh.
No one on the bench to bring on as a game changer.
Too many on the field at the same level, no equivalent to Geaney, Walsh and Clifford, not even at the standard of Mayo players across the team and bench. When Petey Harte was neutralised, using same tactic as used by Tyrone in the past, e.g. McMahon on Murphy, Tyrone were left with just Donnelly and McShane who carried them throughout the game but when they went off target no one else could score.
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Angelo it was a blatant foul. If you don't possess the objectivity to see that then it's kind of hard to take your complaints seriously.
It was soft, there was minimal contact and there were far more blatant frees not pulled up at the other end of the pitch. It was a very soft free in the scheme of what Kerry were allowed away with.
The Meyler one of Sean O'Shea was a free out, Meyler had his two arms outstretched, O'Shea grabbed a hold to his hand and threw himself on the ground, another bit of guesswork from Deegan 50 yards away.
I didn't think Deegan significantly influenced the outcome - as soon as you drop an arm across the shoulder you leave yourself open to being penalised
. Tyrone's inability to create any goal scoring opportunities in the 1st half when well on top was the real reason they lost - the amount of possession McShane and Donnelly had inside, and not even a half chance created. The regression in Niall Sludden and Peter Harte has made them peripheral in big games - Harte was getting plenty of attention but he should have enough experience and quality to buy himself some attention from the ref.
The lack of quality from the 2015 u 21 team is another factor - McGeary, Burns and Meyler whilst fine athletes, are not top level players and their lack of composure in possession leads to cheap giveaways in big matches they play in.
Will be interesting if the pressure on Harte to step aside grows over the winter - would Tyrone fans countenance Malachy O'Rourke as a replacement?
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Thought Tyrone were Deegan'd personally. 3 terrible decisions, 3 points for Kerry at the start of the second half shifted momentum towards Kerry. Really can't see Kerry getting within 7.
This, for me. He brought Kerry right into the game. Tyrone were the better team over the course of the game. That said, they failed to make it count. Harsh to point a finger at one player but McGeary totally fcuked it today.
Can't see how you come that conclusion. Better in the first half by some distance but still didn't put Kerry away. Kerry by far the better team in the second half and did put Tyrone away. The frees were soft but not frees that you haven't seen given in other games. There are very soft frees given in every game as far as I can see. I think Tyrone would be fooling themselves if they focused on the ref too much.
I watched the game.
And still came to that conclusion? Fair enough.
Absolutely. The ref dragged Kerry back into it with some terrible decisions at the start of the 2nd half. Tyrone fcuked it away at times (McGeary, in particular). They also didn't take their chances. In general though, they played the better football in the game.
My 1st post, written again, in different words.
Again, fair enough but would disagree. Kerry lost the first half but won the second half. I'm open to correction but when Tyrone were on top in the first half they didn't have many wides. Kerry missed more in the first half albeit due to good Tyrone defending in many cases. There were definitely some poor decisions by the ref and it certainly helped Kerry but I don't think Tyrone were in any way the better team. Kerry played them poorly in the first half and Tyrone couldn't make enough of it. Once Kerry sorted themselves out and made adjustments they pulled away and won fairly comfortably.
No offence but i hate that type of comment when a team wins a contest by just 1 score.
I thought Kerry were fairly comfortable winners in the end. I appreciate there was just the one score in it but Kerry won the second half by 7 and I didn't think Kerry were under any real pressure in the last 20 minutes.
That all important goal that gave them the lead played a huge part in winning the 2nd half by 7 points. Kerry were lucky they didn't find themselves further than 4 point behind at half time.
Can't be comfortable winning by just 1 score. Tyrone had a few half chances for goals 2nd half and as we seen with Kerry v Monaghan last year a goal with the last play of the game can grab a draw.
Angelo it was a foul. He dragged him back by the shoulder. I watched that and thought if I were a Tyrone fan I would be annoyed with mcgeary as he really didn't need to do that. It was simply a blatant foul and deegan can not be faulted for giving it. If a Kerry man did that on a Tyrone man at the other end and there was no free what would you say? It would be on your very subjective list is what would clearly happen and there would have been no talk of soft.
I don't disagree about the o'shea incident not being a free - though I think it should have been nothing rather than a free the other way.
Where did the 6 minutes come from?
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Where did the 6 minutes come from?
I think every substitution is an additional 30 seconds. It was brought in as teams were just wasting out the last 5-10 minutes of the game by brining in subs.
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Angelo it was a foul. He dragged him back by the shoulder. I watched that and thought if I were a Tyrone fan I would be annoyed with mcgeary as he really didn't need to do that. It was simply a blatant foul and deegan can not be faulted for giving it. If a Kerry man did that on a Tyrone man at the other end and there was no free what would you say? It would be on your very subjective list is what would clearly happen and there would have been no talk of soft.
I don't disagree about the o'shea incident not being a free - though I think it should have been nothing rather than a free the other way.
My point is you could argue the McGeary one was a free or not but it's not netball, referees will generally let physical contact go and there was much, much more blatant illegitimate physical contact at the other end of the pitch on Donnelly and McShane that went unpunished for the duration of the game. In that context, Tyrone have every right to feel aggrieved. Worse happened at the other end of the pitch and nothing was given which is it irks so much. Take the 4 men hanging off McShane in the second half when he won the ball and a free out was given.
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Thought Tyrone were Deegan'd personally. 3 terrible decisions, 3 points for Kerry at the start of the second half shifted momentum towards Kerry. Really can't see Kerry getting within 7.
This, for me. He brought Kerry right into the game. Tyrone were the better team over the course of the game. That said, they failed to make it count. Harsh to point a finger at one player but McGeary totally fcuked it today.
Can't see how you come that conclusion. Better in the first half by some distance but still didn't put Kerry away. Kerry by far the better team in the second half and did put Tyrone away. The frees were soft but not frees that you haven't seen given in other games. There are very soft frees given in every game as far as I can see. I think Tyrone would be fooling themselves if they focused on the ref too much.
I watched the game.
And still came to that conclusion? Fair enough.
Absolutely. The ref dragged Kerry back into it with some terrible decisions at the start of the 2nd half. Tyrone fcuked it away at times (McGeary, in particular). They also didn't take their chances. In general though, they played the better football in the game.
My 1st post, written again, in different words.
Again, fair enough but would disagree. Kerry lost the first half but won the second half. I'm open to correction but when Tyrone were on top in the first half they didn't have many wides. Kerry missed more in the first half albeit due to good Tyrone defending in many cases. There were definitely some poor decisions by the ref and it certainly helped Kerry but I don't think Tyrone were in any way the better team. Kerry played them poorly in the first half and Tyrone couldn't make enough of it. Once Kerry sorted themselves out and made adjustments they pulled away and won fairly comfortably.
No offence but i hate that type of comment when a team wins a contest by just 1 score.
I thought Kerry were fairly comfortable winners in the end. I appreciate there was just the one score in it but Kerry won the second half by 7 and I didn't think Kerry were under any real pressure in the last 20 minutes.
That all important goal that gave them the lead played a huge part in winning the 2nd half by 7 points. Kerry were lucky they didn't find themselves further than 4 point behind at half time.
Can't be comfortable winning by just 1 score. Tyrone had a few half chances for goals 2nd half and as we seen with Kerry v Monaghan last year a goal with the last play of the game can grab a draw.
All true enough but I don't agree a one score win can't be comfortable. Yes, you can get caught if only a score up but you can win some games more comfortably than the scoreline suggests. Dubs All Ireland win last year and Kerry's win today are two examples for me.
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Angelo it was a foul. He dragged him back by the shoulder. I watched that and thought if I were a Tyrone fan I would be annoyed with mcgeary as he really didn't need to do that. It was simply a blatant foul and deegan can not be faulted for giving it. If a Kerry man did that on a Tyrone man at the other end and there was no free what would you say? It would be on your very subjective list is what would clearly happen and there would have been no talk of soft.
I don't disagree about the o'shea incident not being a free - though I think it should have been nothing rather than a free the other way.
My point is you could argue the McGeary one was a free or not but it's not netball, referees will generally let physical contact go and there was much, much more blatant illegitimate physical contact at the other end of the pitch on Donnelly and McShane that went unpunished for the duration of the game. In that context, Tyrone have every right to feel aggrieved. Worse happened at the other end of the pitch and nothing was given which is it irks so much. Take the 4 men hanging off McShane in the second half when he won the ball and a free out was given.
There's a difference between physical contact and actually dragging someone back
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Thought Tyrone were Deegan'd personally. 3 terrible decisions, 3 points for Kerry at the start of the second half shifted momentum towards Kerry. Really can't see Kerry getting within 7.
This, for me. He brought Kerry right into the game. Tyrone were the better team over the course of the game. That said, they failed to make it count. Harsh to point a finger at one player but McGeary totally fcuked it today.
He did and he often does. He has great energy but he is a liability
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OK - to summarise, Kerry people reckon they are back on track, Tyrone people blaming the referee and neutrals calling for 5 more years for Mickey Harte.
One Tyrone poster can't deal with it, lift the ball and stamps off home, locking the thread before leaving.
Continue discussion....
You forgot to mention how the in breds and buckie brigades think theyve won the AI
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I didn't think Deegan significantly influenced the outcome - as soon as you drop an arm across the shoulder you leave yourself open to being penalised
. Tyrone's inability to create any goal scoring opportunities in the 1st half when well on top was the real reason they lost - the amount of possession McShane and Donnelly had inside, and not even a half chance created. The regression in Niall Sludden and Peter Harte has made them peripheral in big games - Harte was getting plenty of attention but he should have enough experience and quality to buy himself some attention from the ref.
The lack of quality from the 2015 u 21 team is another factor - McGeary, Burns and Meyler whilst fine athletes, are not top level players and their lack of composure in possession leads to cheap giveaways in big matches they play in.
Will be interesting if the pressure on Harte to step aside grows over the winter - would Tyrone fans countenance Malachy O'Rourke as a replacement?
I certainly would. Sick of Harte.
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Thought Tyrone were Deegan'd personally. 3 terrible decisions, 3 points for Kerry at the start of the second half shifted momentum towards Kerry. Really can't see Kerry getting within 7.
This, for me. He brought Kerry right into the game. Tyrone were the better team over the course of the game. That said, they failed to make it count. Harsh to point a finger at one player but McGeary totally fcuked it today.
He did and he often does. He has great energy but he is a liability
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Mickey on sideline lost the game. Peter Harte should've been hauled off. McGeary shouldn't have started. Too many top forwards not developed or utilised. Harte must go. We haven't won a big game against significant since 08.
Never been a great fan of this current Tyrone team as I think they have flattered to deceive over the last few years with their superior athleticism and method of play carrying them through on many occasions. Definitely a case of the sum being greater than its parts. With Donnelly leaving will Tyrone fall back? Will Cavanagh quit? Apart from Donnelly , Harte and McShane who are their quality players ? Will Harte continue with tactics which support athleticism over skill ?
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Angelo it was a foul. He dragged him back by the shoulder. I watched that and thought if I were a Tyrone fan I would be annoyed with mcgeary as he really didn't need to do that. It was simply a blatant foul and deegan can not be faulted for giving it. If a Kerry man did that on a Tyrone man at the other end and there was no free what would you say? It would be on your very subjective list is what would clearly happen and there would have been no talk of soft.
I don't disagree about the o'shea incident not being a free - though I think it should have been nothing rather than a free the other way.
My point is you could argue the McGeary one was a free or not but it's not netball, referees will generally let physical contact go and there was much, much more blatant illegitimate physical contact at the other end of the pitch on Donnelly and McShane that went unpunished for the duration of the game. In that context, Tyrone have every right to feel aggrieved. Worse happened at the other end of the pitch and nothing was given which is it irks so much. Take the 4 men hanging off McShane in the second half when he won the ball and a free out was given.
There's a difference between physical contact and actually dragging someone back
There's no difference between illegitimate physical contact and illegitimate physical contact.
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Thought Tyrone were Deegan'd personally. 3 terrible decisions, 3 points for Kerry at the start of the second half shifted momentum towards Kerry. Really can't see Kerry getting within 7.
This, for me. He brought Kerry right into the game. Tyrone were the better team over the course of the game. That said, they failed to make it count. Harsh to point a finger at one player but McGeary totally fcuked it today.
He did and he often does. He has great energy but he is a liability
Seems a lot of modern players are athletes first and players second
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Angelo it was a foul. He dragged him back by the shoulder. I watched that and thought if I were a Tyrone fan I would be annoyed with mcgeary as he really didn't need to do that. It was simply a blatant foul and deegan can not be faulted for giving it. If a Kerry man did that on a Tyrone man at the other end and there was no free what would you say? It would be on your very subjective list is what would clearly happen and there would have been no talk of soft.
I don't disagree about the o'shea incident not being a free - though I think it should have been nothing rather than a free the other way.
My point is you could argue the McGeary one was a free or not but it's not netball, referees will generally let physical contact go and there was much, much more blatant illegitimate physical contact at the other end of the pitch on Donnelly and McShane that went unpunished for the duration of the game. In that context, Tyrone have every right to feel aggrieved. Worse happened at the other end of the pitch and nothing was given which is it irks so much. Take the 4 men hanging off McShane in the second half when he won the ball and a free out was given.
There's a difference between physical contact and actually dragging someone back
There's no difference between illegitimate physical contact and illegitimate physical contact.
I'm gonna stop now. You lost a semi final today and it's a hard one to take. We have different opinions on certain aspects of it. Losing semi finals hurts. 2005 still rankles with me and always will I think. At least with you guys you will be back and hopefully learn from the mistakes you made today. It will be a long time before we see another semi final
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Angelo it was a foul. He dragged him back by the shoulder. I watched that and thought if I were a Tyrone fan I would be annoyed with mcgeary as he really didn't need to do that. It was simply a blatant foul and deegan can not be faulted for giving it. If a Kerry man did that on a Tyrone man at the other end and there was no free what would you say? It would be on your very subjective list is what would clearly happen and there would have been no talk of soft.
I don't disagree about the o'shea incident not being a free - though I think it should have been nothing rather than a free the other way.
My point is you could argue the McGeary one was a free or not but it's not netball, referees will generally let physical contact go and there was much, much more blatant illegitimate physical contact at the other end of the pitch on Donnelly and McShane that went unpunished for the duration of the game. In that context, Tyrone have every right to feel aggrieved. Worse happened at the other end of the pitch and nothing was given which is it irks so much. Take the 4 men hanging off McShane in the second half when he won the ball and a free out was given.
There's a difference between physical contact and actually dragging someone back
There's no difference between illegitimate physical contact and illegitimate physical contact.
Angelo my point is that you couldn't argue whether it was a free or not and if you do argue it either your objectivity, or understanding of the game, has to be questioned!
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Thought Tyrone were Deegan'd personally. 3 terrible decisions, 3 points for Kerry at the start of the second half shifted momentum towards Kerry. Really can't see Kerry getting within 7.
This, for me. He brought Kerry right into the game. Tyrone were the better team over the course of the game. That said, they failed to make it count. Harsh to point a finger at one player but McGeary totally fcuked it today.
He did and he often does. He has great energy but he is a liability
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Mickey on sideline lost the game. Peter Harte should've been hauled off. McGeary shouldn't have started. Too many top forwards not developed or utilised. Harte must go. We haven't won a big game against significant since 08.
I think you will keep him on for another couple of years. When he goes there is serious potential for a long and painful transition a la Meath after Boylan, Kerry after O'Dwyer and Down after McGrath.
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 11, 2019, 08:24:22 PM
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Quote from: imtommygunn on August 11, 2019, 08:04:52 PM
Angelo it was a foul. He dragged him back by the shoulder. I watched that and thought if I were a Tyrone fan I would be annoyed with mcgeary as he really didn't need to do that. It was simply a blatant foul and deegan can not be faulted for giving it. If a Kerry man did that on a Tyrone man at the other end and there was no free what would you say? It would be on your very subjective list is what would clearly happen and there would have been no talk of soft.
I don't disagree about the o'shea incident not being a free - though I think it should have been nothing rather than a free the other way.
My point is you could argue the McGeary one was a free or not but it's not netball, referees will generally let physical contact go and there was much, much more blatant illegitimate physical contact at the other end of the pitch on Donnelly and McShane that went unpunished for the duration of the game. In that context, Tyrone have every right to feel aggrieved. Worse happened at the other end of the pitch and nothing was given which is it irks so much. Take the 4 men hanging off McShane in the second half when he won the ball and a free out was given.
There's a difference between physical contact and actually dragging someone back
There's no difference between illegitimate physical contact and illegitimate physical contact.
I'm gonna stop now. You lost a semi final today and it's a hard one to take. We have different opinions on certain aspects of it. Losing semi finals hurts. 2005 still rankles with me and always will I think. At least with you guys you will be back and hopefully learn from the mistakes you made today. It will be a long time before we see another semi final
You're talking out your arse though. The point on McGeary is that in the context of the game and what was been let go consistently at the other end of the pitch is that Tyrone have every right to feel aggrieved at the kind of free that was awarded against McGeary. There were more obvious fouls and more illegitimate physical contact on Tyrone players in the opposing half that were not called on a consistent basis in that game.
time for harte to step down time for a fresh face
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Thought Tyrone were Deegan'd personally. 3 terrible decisions, 3 points for Kerry at the start of the second half shifted momentum towards Kerry. Really can't see Kerry getting within 7.
This, for me. He brought Kerry right into the game. Tyrone were the better team over the course of the game. That said, they failed to make it count. Harsh to point a finger at one player but McGeary totally fcuked it today.
Can't see how you come that conclusion. Better in the first half by some distance but still didn't put Kerry away. Kerry by far the better team in the second half and did put Tyrone away. The frees were soft but not frees that you haven't seen given in other games. There are very soft frees given in every game as far as I can see. I think Tyrone would be fooling themselves if they focused on the ref too much.
I watched the game.
And still came to that conclusion? Fair enough.
Absolutely. The ref dragged Kerry back into it with some terrible decisions at the start of the 2nd half. Tyrone fcuked it away at times (McGeary, in particular). They also didn't take their chances. In general though, they played the better football in the game.
My 1st post, written again, in different words.
Again, fair enough but would disagree. Kerry lost the first half but won the second half. I'm open to correction but when Tyrone were on top in the first half they didn't have many wides. Kerry missed more in the first half albeit due to good Tyrone defending in many cases. There were definitely some poor decisions by the ref and it certainly helped Kerry but I don't think Tyrone were in any way the better team. Kerry played them poorly in the first half and Tyrone couldn't make enough of it. Once Kerry sorted themselves out and made adjustments they pulled away and won fairly comfortably.
No offence but i hate that type of comment when a team wins a contest by just 1 score.
I thought Kerry were fairly comfortable winners in the end. I appreciate there was just the one score in it but Kerry won the second half by 7 and I didn't think Kerry were under any real pressure in the last 20 minutes.
That all important goal that gave them the lead played a huge part in winning the 2nd half by 7 points. Kerry were lucky they didn't find themselves further than 4 point behind at half time.
Can't be comfortable winning by just 1 score. Tyrone had a few half chances for goals 2nd half and as we seen with Kerry v Monaghan last year a goal with the last play of the game can grab a draw.
All true enough but I don't agree a one score win can't be comfortable. Yes, you can get caught if only a score up but you can win some games more comfortably than the scoreline suggests. Dubs All Ireland win last year and Kerry's win today are two examples for me.
Who was it comfortable for the Kerry players or supporters? i'm sure most didn't feel too comfortable leading by just 1 score deep into injury time.
Last year's All Ireland final not the best of examples, Dublin took the lead in that match on 22 minutes and by half time they lead by 7 points, were 8 points ahead when they gave away a penalty on 65mins which didn't stop Dublin from running out comfortable winners.
McShane needs a Stevie McDonnell-style partner, like Ronan Clarke had. They'd have won that today if McShane had help.
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time for harte to step down time for a fresh face
I'd say Harte is getting fair mileage out of the group he has. They're limited enough.
True. Only a few decent footballers on the team but how much of that is down to Harte's focus on athleticism over skill.
From the Indo, the word directly from Mickey Harte........
Meanwhile, Mickey Harte has argued that Tyrone were victims of some "harsh" refereeing calls in the second half as his Red Hand charges faltered within sight of an All-Ireland final.
Asked specifically if he thought the referee had been harsh on Tyrone, Harte responded: "Well, that's an interesting question you ask. He obviously played a big part in it because he was very important, he made a lot of decisions ... you certainly would have looked at a few decisions and thought they were harsh."
Asked about any in particular, the Tyrone manager replied: "I felt it seemed to be easy to get frees at certain stages of the game - and this seeing things in the distance ahead of the game.
"One I thought was really strange, we were coming out with the ball, Mattie Donnelly is coming out to try and present for it and he's blown for holding.
"Now, I wonder why he would want to hold the defender? He'd want the ball, not to be holding the defender.
"But these things happen and I'm sure everyone will look at it through their own coloured lens ... and to mine, in the immediate reflection, I though there were a number of decisions that weren't good for us."
For all that, Harte conceded that Kerry were a team transformed in the second half.
"I thought we had a good first half and probably felt we could have been a wee bit further ahead - and that might have given us more of a platform to go on with," he reflected.
"We did expect there would be something more to Kerry, and I think we caught them a wee bit by surprise in the first half and they had time to reflect on that and regroup.
"They came out with a different attire in the second half ... they were up for the challenge, up for the fight. As the game went on, that became very apparent.
"And I suppose when it got close, a point for point game, a goal was going to be major for any team and that's the way it turned out.
"A goal meant Kerry only had to cover point for point and they were going to be in business. If we got a goal, I'd like to think we would have done the same thing, but we didn't and they did and that's the way the cookie crumbles sometimes."
Harte expanded: "Kerry were different, they played with a different system in the second half ... I just think that half time is a dangerous place.
"If you are going well, you don't want half-time at all. We were going well up to half-time and that's a time-out to be able to make adjustments with settled minds — that was half-time at a bad time.
"You try to talk the right language to get your team to win the second half. That's what we tried to, and we would have been in the final. We didn't manage that, which is a shame," he concluded.
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time for harte to step down time for a fresh face
I'd say Harte is getting fair mileage out of the group he has. They're limited enough.
True. Only a few decent footballers on the team but how much of that is down to Harte's focus on athleticism over skill.
talented players quiting the squad because of him, Lee Brennan, Ronan o neill, mark Bradley. Then Coney and Conan grugan can't get game time. All top ballers. It came back to bite us big time today.
At half time I couldn't believe how poor Kerry had been. We were in complete control and couldn't see us not winning. That 2nd half from Tyrone was abysmal and was lost on the line. Beaten by an experienced Kerry team in 2015 and now by an inexperienced Kerry team 4 years later, with no wins against Dublin or Mayo in between for this particular Tyrone side, at what point does the manager put his hands up. It's time for a fresh face.
Disappointing game overall.
Lacked intensity and no drive in the game at all.
Refereeing was abject all over the pitch.
Ultimately, I thought Tyrone over utilised the long pass into Mc Shane , the passes were not pin point enough for him to maximise the scoring opportunities... in first half he was clear at edge of square and got a shocking pass.
The quality of the foot passing was the undoing of Tyrone.
Heard Mickey Harte interviewed on Newstalk and he certainly didn't sound like a man that was for stepping down.
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time for harte to step down time for a fresh face
I'd say Harte is getting fair mileage out of the group he has. They're limited enough.
True. Only a few decent footballers on the team but how much of that is down to Harte's focus on athleticism over skill.
Could make a case that "modern" day football has a focus on that.
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time for harte to step down time for a fresh face
I'd say Harte is getting fair mileage out of the group he has. They're limited enough.
True. Only a few decent footballers on the team but how much of that is down to Harte's focus on athleticism over skill.
talented players quiting the squad because of him, Lee Brennan, Ronan o neill, mark Bradley. Then Coney and Conan grugan can't get game time. All top ballers. It came back to bite us big time today.
Didn't Bradley go to England to study
Hard one to take.Tyrone should have made more hay while on top in the first half. Kerry got a goal while they were in their purple patch and that was the difference.
Deegan did what was expected with a few handy frees for kerry in the second half but Tyrone should have taken it out of his hands.
Expect Dublin to win the final but fair play to Kerry, they knew how to get the win, Tyrone didn't.
Harte to stay, Tyrone to make a semi final next year at least, Dubs for six in a row.
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time for harte to step down time for a fresh face
I'd say Harte is getting fair mileage out of the group he has. They're limited enough.
True. Only a few decent footballers on the team but how much of that is down to Harte's focus on athleticism over skill.
Could make a case that "modern" day football has a focus on that.
Need a balance. Look at the Dubs. Pure athletes and ballers.
Quote from: Erne Man on August 11, 2019, 07:59:15 PM
I didn't think Deegan significantly influenced the outcome - as soon as you drop an arm across the shoulder you leave yourself open to being penalised
Agreed, there were some soft decisions to Kerry but nothing remarkable, hard to credit the whinging, as usual much ado about nothing. The ref doesnt even make the list of 10 decisive influences on that game.
Tyrone had that game and then lost it in a ponderous third quarter. Strange enough, but I think Big Sean would have carried Tyrone to victory out there, a missing leadership ingredient.
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I didn't think Deegan significantly influenced the outcome - as soon as you drop an arm across the shoulder you leave yourself open to being penalised
Agreed, there were some soft decisions to Kerry but nothing remarkable, hard to credit the whinging, as usual much ado about nothing. The ref doesnt even make the list of 10 decisive influences on that game.
Tyrone had that game and then lost it in a ponderous third quarter. Strange enough, but I think Big Sean would have carried Tyrone to victory out there, a missing leadership ingredient.
Puts last year's semi into perspective . Tyrone won it by a point. Tiny margins
Tyrone are still in the peleton.
There's fcuk all between the chasing pack.
Tyrone lost today cause David Moran and Tommy Walsh ate you. Big Tommy not the fastest but won even ball into him. Kerry would need look at starting him in the final It not matter as the Kerry defence ain't good enough and Dublin on today's performance beat either team by 10points. Some difference in Intensity of yesterday game compared to today. Ref give Kerry a few handy frees but overall Kerry's scoring power on top of walshs sheer size won the day. Somebody tell Keane never play that lad Murphy as sweeper. Was the worst effort at sweeper I seen in years
As for the manager it may be time for a change, ORourke available and he may not be in future. Mickley Harte always reverts to type, ie defensive fball. This always keep you in the top 5 but it ain't going to get you the number 1 slot. Tyrone players with scoring power are over looked for some lads that can run all day. Lee Brennan for 1. Also key players need to stay in certain positions and build round them. Tyrone found a full forward in a midfielder in McShane but Donnelly won 2 all stars at Midfield and should play there. Peter Harte plays his best fball from halfback. Keep Hampsey at no. 6. Badly need a good No.11 and a ball winning midfielder along Donnelly. At the minute, Donegal, Mayo and kerry are ahead of them but alot can change in a year.
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on August 11, 2019, 05:46:47 PM
OK - to summarise, Kerry people reckon they are back on track, Tyrone people blaming the referee and neutrals calling for 5 more years for Mickey Harte.
One Tyrone poster can't deal with it, lift the ball and stamps off home, locking the thread before leaving.
Continue discussion....
What the fcuk with a second thread for the single game, seriously, the one thread is a THREAD, no need for a second.
Quote from: BennyCake on August 11, 2019, 08:35:42 PM
McShane needs a Stevie McDonnell-style partner, like Ronan Clarke had. They'd have won that today if McShane had help.
Problem is those lads don't exactly grow on trees!
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OK - to summarise, Kerry people reckon they are back on track, Tyrone people blaming the referee and neutrals calling for 5 more years for Mickey Harte.
One Tyrone poster can't deal with it, lift the ball and stamps off home, locking the thread before leaving.
Continue discussion....
What the fcuk with a second thread for the single game, seriously, the one thread is a THREAD, no need for a second.
I think you'll find this thread was opened when the other thread had been locked - temporarily as it turned out
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 11, 2019, 11:00:09 PM
As for the manager it may be time for a change, ORourke available and he may not be in future. Mickley Harte always reverts to type, ie defensive fball. This always keep you in the top 5 but it ain't going to get you the number 1 slot. Tyrone players with scoring power are over looked for some lads that can run all day. Lee Brennan for 1. Also key players need to stay in certain positions and build round them. Tyrone found a full forward in a midfielder in McShane but Donnelly won 2 all stars at Midfield and should play there. Peter Harte plays his best fball from halfback. Keep Hampsey at no. 6. Badly need a good No.11 and a ball winning midfielder along Donnelly. At the minute, Donegal, Mayo and kerry are ahead of them but alot can change in a year.
Most of it your post is fine but mayo kerry and donegal are not ahead. Kerry won on fine margains for 2nd time with deegan. Mayo and donegal havent seen semi final for last 2 years.
Donegal hammered Tyrone in Ulster Semi fact.
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OK - to summarise, Kerry people reckon they are back on track, Tyrone people blaming the referee and neutrals calling for 5 more years for Mickey Harte.
One Tyrone poster can't deal with it, lift the ball and stamps off home, locking the thread before leaving.
Continue discussion....
What the fcuk with a second thread for the single game, seriously, the one thread is a THREAD, no need for a second.
I think you'll find this thread was opened when the other thread had been locked - temporarily as it turned out
Typical Tyronie, wild outburst, not in touch with developments.
It could be explained what transpired, but probably a wasted effort.
Hissy fit caused multiple threads.
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time for harte to step down time for a fresh face
I'd say Harte is getting fair mileage out of the group he has. They're limited enough.
True. Only a few decent footballers on the team but how much of that is down to Harte's focus on athleticism over skill.
talented players quiting the squad because of him, Lee Brennan, Ronan o neill, mark Bradley. Then Coney and Conan grugan can't get game time. All top ballers. It came back to bite us big time today.
PGCE in England. As for RON, he had many many chances but never pushed on. Coney makes an appearance most games.
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Hissy fit caused multiple threads.
I didn't lock the thread you spoon. Do you think I give a sh1te what people on a forum say? When I'm at a match in croke park enjoying a day out do you think I'm busy looking at an internet forum? Really??
Lots of ranting about likes of Ronan O'Neill, Lee Brennan etc.
Both of them given plenty of opportunity last year. Brennan can kick scores for fun in league games in Omagh but he got 35 mins in the final last year and was absolutely brutal.
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Hissy fit caused multiple threads.
I didn't lock the thread you spoon. Do you think I give a sh1te what people on a forum say? When I'm at a match in croke park enjoying a day out do you think I'm busy looking at an internet forum? Really??
Let that Clontibret eejit go off on one too, any chance to have a dig at us! :D ;)
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Hissy fit caused multiple threads.
I didn't lock the thread you spoon. Do you think I give a sh1te what people on a forum say? When I'm at a match in croke park enjoying a day out do you think I'm busy looking at an internet forum? Really??
Cap fits wear it.. Thou protests too much. Roll on the McKenna cup. ;D
Also, what has happened Tommy Walsh during his absence? Coming out of minor and up to 09 he could both play football and dominate physically. Has Australia stripped him of his curling ability altogether? Massively influential when he came in but Jesus that point he went for was brutal. Joining Maccauley on the strange list of footballers you'd love to have despite the notable handicap of not being able to play Gaelic football.
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Hissy fit caused multiple threads.
I didn't lock the thread you spoon. Do you think I give a sh1te what people on a forum say? When I'm at a match in croke park enjoying a day out do you think I'm busy looking at an internet forum? Really??
Let that Clontibret eejit go off on one too, any chance to have a dig at us! :D ;)
Top 8 team fair play, McKenna cup record will never be surpassed.
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Hissy fit caused multiple threads.
I didn't lock the thread you spoon. Do you think I give a sh1te what people on a forum say? When I'm at a match in croke park enjoying a day out do you think I'm busy looking at an internet forum? Really??
Let that Clontibret eejit go off on one too, any chance to have a dig at us! :D ;)
Not only have you made a fool of yourself (yet again) but you persist in insulting me with calling me a yellow belly from Clontibret, I am Ballybay.
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Hissy fit caused multiple threads.
I didn't lock the thread you spoon. Do you think I give a sh1te what people on a forum say? When I'm at a match in croke park enjoying a day out do you think I'm busy looking at an internet forum? Really??
Let that Clontibret eejit go off on one too, any chance to have a dig at us! :D ;)
Not only have you made a fool of yourself (yet again) but you persist in insulting me with calling me a yellow belly from Clontibret, I am Ballybay.
You still have nerve to post after this.
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It is notable though that old guys on their deathbed in hospital are more concerned with being able to watch on tv the goings on in the GAA championship, than their upcoming appointment with St Peter.
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Hissy fit caused multiple threads.
I didn't lock the thread you spoon. Do you think I give a sh1te what people on a forum say? When I'm at a match in croke park enjoying a day out do you think I'm busy looking at an internet forum? Really??
Let that Clontibret eejit go off on one too, any chance to have a dig at us! :D ;)
Not only have you made a fool of yourself (yet again) but you persist in insulting me with calling me a yellow belly from Clontibret, I am Ballybay.
Is that a fact now -- and was it your telepathic Ballybay skills that played such a pivotal part there where I was addressing a buachaill from Clontibret? :D :D :D
Quote from: ONeill on August 11, 2019, 10:14:07 PM
There's fcuk all between the chasing pack.
Kerry and Donegal both comfortably beat Tyrone in knockout Championship games this year. Only for the draw and Super 8s group I don’t think they would have reached the semifinal. I would have both Kerry and Donegal ahead of Tyrone in any “chasing pack”, hard to know what to make of Mayo.
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Quote from: ONeill on August 11, 2019, 10:14:07 PM
There's fcuk all between the chasing pack.
Kerry and Tyrone both comfortably beat Tyrone in knockout Championship games this year. Only for the draw and Super 8s group I don't think they would have reached the semifinal. I would have both Kerry and Donegal ahead of Tyrone in any "chasing pack", hard to know what to make of Mayo.
Bedtime kid.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 11, 2019, 11:41:12 PM
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Quote from: t_mac on August 11, 2019, 11:14:51 PM
Hissy fit caused multiple threads.
I didn't lock the thread you spoon. Do you think I give a sh1te what people on a forum say? When I'm at a match in croke park enjoying a day out do you think I'm busy looking at an internet forum? Really??
Let that Clontibret eejit go off on one too, any chance to have a dig at us! :D ;)
Not only have you made a fool of yourself (yet again) but you persist in insulting me with calling me a yellow belly from Clontibret, I am Ballybay.
Is that a fact now -- and was it your telepathic Ballybay skills that played such a pivotal part there where I was addressing a buachaill from Clontibret? :D :D :D
Trying to slither out now ;D
I'll back off, considering your pain of losing a semi final is livid and real, I do have a few morsels of compassion.
Quote from: Main Street on August 11, 2019, 11:51:44 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 11, 2019, 11:41:12 PM
Is that a fact now -- and was it your telepathic Ballybay skills that played such a pivotal part there where I was addressing a buachaill from Clontibret? :D :D :D
Trying to slither out now ;D
I'll back off, considering your pain of losing a semi final is livid and real, I do have a few morsels of compassion.
Yeah, yeah, whatever!
Quote from: greatpoint on August 11, 2019, 11:47:52 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 11, 2019, 10:14:07 PM
There's fcuk all between the chasing pack.
Kerry and Donegal both comfortably beat Tyrone in knockout Championship games this year. Only for the draw and Super 8s group I don't think they would have reached the semifinal. I would have both Kerry and Donegal ahead of Tyrone in any "chasing pack", hard to know what to make of Mayo.
Maybe if Tyrone tried to play football instead of robotic 15 men behind the ball stuff they might win. I'm sure they don't enjoy playing it and 99% of people don't enjoy watching it. Hopefully Mickey Harte will retire and this talented bunch of Tyrone players finds someone who allows Tyrone to express themselves and and show the class they have. As a fan of football I'm glad they lost but I do genuinely feel bad for the Tyrone players who are forced to play like robots. Mcshane is some talent.