Hurling puts football in the shade

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Syferus

Quote from: ashman on September 19, 2017, 01:32:06 AM
Yesterday was a great game but the result left a coldness .

The bottom line is that hurling was a better championship and for all hurling's imbalance and lack of spread the needs of the governing body to fill Croke park has never influenced who wins the hurling championship .

What would happen if Dublin hurling grows into a cash cow like the footballers? There's absolutely nothing intrinsically different to stop it, it's only not happening because by dumb luck football is king in the capital region.

Rossfan

Quote from: ashman on September 19, 2017, 01:32:06 AM
Yesterday was a great game but the result left a coldness .
True. All a bit like Scottish soccer thingy with one monster team devouring all the little ones.
Imagine the craic had the Rhubarbs won!!!!!
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

mouview

Quote from: screenexile on September 18, 2017, 02:05:37 PM
Not much talk on here today . . . I thought yesterdays game was far and away a better match than the Hurling Final!

Wouldn't necessarily agree. Wasn't at the football final, so can't comment on the atmosphere or tension at it. Hurling final was very tense, but wasn't a bad game for all of that. It was also played in a very good sporting manner. The football final was dramatic and nailbiting but I don't think it's quality was anything out of the ordinary and, like most latter-stages championship matches now, there was an undercurrent of niggle and spite running through it.

seafoid

Quote from: Syferus on September 19, 2017, 02:09:44 AM
Quote from: ashman on September 19, 2017, 01:32:06 AM
Yesterday was a great game but the result left a coldness .

The bottom line is that hurling was a better championship and for all hurling's imbalance and lack of spread the needs of the governing body to fill Croke park has never influenced who wins the hurling championship .

What would happen if Dublin hurling grows into a cash cow like the footballers? There's absolutely nothing intrinsically different to stop it, it's only not happening because by dumb luck football is king in the capital region.
Hurling is cultural so needs deeper roots.
You can't really buy it in.
Football is Dublin's GAA thing. Hurling isn't.  Doesnt have the scale.

Roscommon would be a great hurling county. 60k .100% hurling. Would win all Irelands every 20 years . Football is strategically the wrong option for Ros 
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Rossfan

Seaf, hurley is mainly played in Norman Counties.
We weren't occupied till 1605 so never got immersed in the oul iomáint.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

seafoid

Quote from: Rossfan on September 20, 2017, 04:07:19 PM
Seaf, hurley is mainly played in Norman Counties.
We weren't occupied till 1605 so never got immersed in the oul iomáint.
Grand. But it would be strategically advantageous all the same.

Are you sure about 1605? Ballina is further west and it was trashed in the 1580's or so
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

manfromdelmonte

Quote from: Rossfan on September 20, 2017, 04:07:19 PM
Seaf, hurley is mainly played in Norman Counties.
We weren't occupied till 1605 so never got immersed in the oul iomáint.
that's not true
the county was originally part of "The King's Cantreds" under King John (mainly Roscommon, but with some of east Galway - like the current constituency actually)

Normans were in Roscommon in 1227 building St John's Castle in Rinndown
1269 building Roscommon Castle,
1311, building Ballintubber Castle

the county boundaries were formally established in 1585 under the Tudors

Rossfan

The O'Connor captured it soon after and held it to the mid 16th Century.
Rushing in building the odd castle and getting feecked out again for 500 years.
There's a biteen of hurley stuff in mid and South Ros as a result of those temporary incursions but most of us held our own till 1605 or so.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

seafoid

Quote from: Rossfan on September 20, 2017, 05:43:36 PM
The O'Connor captured it soon after and held it to the mid 16th Century.
Rushing in building the odd castle and getting feecked out again for 500 years.
There's a biteen of hurley stuff in mid and South Ros as a result of those temporary incursions but most of us held our own till 1605 or so.
The Normans lost steam after the Black Death. ThE O Connors got stronger. I don't think East Galway was Norman by 1500 either 
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

manfromdelmonte

Quote from: Rossfan on September 20, 2017, 05:43:36 PM
The O'Connor captured it soon after and held it to the mid 16th Century.
Rushing in building the odd castle and getting feecked out again for 500 years.
There's a biteen of hurley stuff in mid and South Ros as a result of those temporary incursions but most of us held our own till 1605 or so.
when did hurling appear in Four Roads?
only when a school teacher from Kilkenny started in the local school


mrhardyannual

Quote from: Rossfan on September 20, 2017, 04:07:19 PM
Seaf, hurley is mainly played in Norman Counties.
We weren't occupied till 1605 so never got immersed in the oul iomáint.
What a load of bullsh*t. "Hurling is mostly played in Norman counties". Are you suggesting that hurling was spread by the Normans. If so you need a sharp course in Irish history. While hurling was adopted by the Normans as they became "more Irish than the Irish themselves" the game was played in so called Norman counties long before they came. The Statutes of Kilkenny in the early 14th century were designed to stop this adoption of the game and keep the young Normans engaged in archery etc. Local laws in Galway sought to prohibit the game as well.The popularity of the game in certain areas has more to do with geography than history. It was more difficult to play hurling in the bogs of Mayo or the hills of west Connemara than in East Galway or  Tipperary. The Christian brothers did much to popularise the game (not getting into an argument about what else they did) and Prunty pitches have helped defeat geography in recent years.
The game is catching on in Dublin. Most of the early work was done by Cumann na mBunscoil over the past 40 years but the growth of Gaelscoileanna at second level and their adoption of the game has seen it flourish. I expect to see a Dublin team will the All Ireland title in the next decade or so.

Rossfan

Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

laoislad

Some game of hurling between Limerick and Kilkenny.
When you think you're fucked you're only about 40% fucked.

Jinxy

Brilliant game between Galway and Clare.
There are few things I find more frustrating than a defender in acres of space in hurling just handing it back to the opposition.
Clare defenders giving the ball away left right and centre.
If you were any use you'd be playing.

tippabu

Quote from: Jinxy on July 28, 2018, 06:38:56 PM
Brilliant game between Galway and Clare.
There are few things I find more frustrating than a defender in acres of space in hurling just handing it back to the opposition.
Clare defenders giving the ball away left right and centre.

Happens every year. Football in the league is usual brilliant due to teams playing teams of their own level and not being as fit and organised as in the summer. Hurling there's no comparison between league and championship games. Today was brilliant