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Title: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on May 11, 2008, 10:47:55 PM
Have to say I think the new format looks very promising. I'd say Tohill has great fun playing with that virtual computer game! I also like the cut of Coman Goggins jib as an analyst. Safe pair of hands. Hopefully this means we'll be seeing less of that waffler Tommy Lyons.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: hardstation on May 11, 2008, 10:50:58 PM
I thought their make-up was lovely.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: dodo on May 11, 2008, 10:59:22 PM
They even got a Kerryman ( Daire Ó Cinnéide) to back the Kingdom for the All-Ireland. Very un-cute Kerry hoor like.  :D
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Maguire01 on May 11, 2008, 11:08:02 PM
The studio setup is like a dog's dinner. 
It looks like a case of "we've got this technology and we're going to use it", rather than just using it to improve the analysis.  The graphics moving behind Spillane all the time makes it very hard to watch (as if Spillane on his own wasn't enough!), and the 'bird's eye' view of the analysts when they were choosing the man of the match just looked crap.  Also, the most annoying thing if the 'ring tone' that goes off whenever someones name comes up on the screen.

Where it worked = showing the action replays, e.g. the different views for the Westmeath penalty.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: gerry on May 11, 2008, 11:16:36 PM
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Also, the most annoying thing if the 'ring tone' that goes off whenever someones name comes up on the screen.

i fecking hate it.  when they started using it last year, i dropped them a text when a game was live on tv telling them to ease up on their new toy but to no avail.

Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Bogball XV on May 11, 2008, 11:16:46 PM
thon computer thingy looks the job alright - very good.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: balladmaker on May 12, 2008, 12:07:10 AM
At long last, RTE have bowed to public opinion and brought the original Sunday Game theme tune back again.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on May 12, 2008, 12:51:16 AM
I preferred last years music to be honest. I'm going to start a "Bring back the old new Sunday Game theme tune" petition.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: bigpaul on May 12, 2008, 01:21:16 AM
Thought it was ok ovearall,although that shot from above is a bit much, trying too hard to be in the spaceage!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Donagh on May 12, 2008, 09:22:44 AM
I thought it was awful. Fecking sound effects swhisshing and whoosing every few seconds when they pop up the blindingly obvious and useless stats on screen. Terrible TV3esq shiny sets and silly graphics. And what is going on with the camera angles? If we have to look at the back of anyones head, please let it be that useless annoying fecker Spillane.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on May 12, 2008, 09:27:01 AM
Jaysus. Any minute now someone will start a "Bring back the old Sunday Game set" petition.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: mylestheslasher on May 12, 2008, 09:36:44 AM
I though the whole set looked rank and 90% of the special effects were stupid and just being smart for the sake of it. The overhead view made me laugh its so ridiculous. Some graphic designer got paid a fortune and ended up making a dogs dinner of the thing. I think RTE need to remember who their customer for GAA is, it aint rugby knobs up in Ballsbridge thats for sure.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: donelli on May 12, 2008, 09:48:30 AM
I thought the set was straight out of star trek!!!!
Trekkie fans on here can tell the name of that ship  ;D

The tech bit is a good enough addition to the show. Especially like the dots illustrating the number of steps that westmeath got away with for their goal..
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: magpie seanie on May 12, 2008, 09:51:20 AM
I would have said overall the show last night was a big improvement on last years rubbish.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: AZOffaly on May 12, 2008, 09:58:33 AM
I only caught the last 20 minutes or so, but I'd agree Seanie. I like the set, and I like the new format with Joanne Cantwell and her Andy Gray analyst type up with her on the bar stools. A couple of things were annoying, like the moving squares behind Pat Spillane's head. It was like something out of an old Max Headroom video, or the old Flying Toasters windows screensaver.

In general it looked decent though. I haven't seen Anthony's new computer game gadget yet.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: magpie seanie on May 12, 2008, 10:00:02 AM
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A couple of things were annoying, like the moving squares behind Pat Spillane's head


And of course Pat himself. And Kevin McStay on about the best young players in Mayo (and mentioning a Sligo man!).
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: thejuice on May 12, 2008, 10:00:40 AM
I think RTE need to remember who their customer for GAA is, it aint rugby knobs up in Ballsbridge thats for sure.

What are we then? Simple folk, who dont like that type of thing! All dis messin' wit com-pew-turs,  ::)

While I didnt get to see it yet, thanks to this "Island of Ireland only" policy. I get the impression of some here that any kind of modernisation or presentation is a waste of time. Starting to sound like the GAA cliches portrayed on Apres Match. While its not as crucial as the content and the games themselves it is an important part in the programs popularity.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Maroon Heaven on May 12, 2008, 10:44:58 AM
I thought it was excellent apart from the overhead view looking down.

About time they started to be inventive for the Sunday Game. I also like the seating arrangement and will bring more discussion out, and bring Pat Spillane more into it. Good to see sunday game music back
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: feetofflames on May 12, 2008, 11:06:21 AM
Disappointed that theres been no investment made in these pitchside cameras for GAA coverage yet - still a pooor relation to soccor and rugby coverage.   
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Leo on May 12, 2008, 11:43:19 AM
No problems with the set and use of technology (which will be more effective as the season goes on and they see what works and what doesn't).
More concerned aboiut the bland content. The season preview was a joke - lacking in substance - something just squeezed in to make the programme more appealing than the dour (dire) Leinster game. Surley a run down county by county from a decent analysis or two could have been done. More zip needed when your guests are as deadpan as McStay, Tohill etc.
And the interviews with McIver & co stating the bloody obvious is a total bore.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Hardy on May 12, 2008, 11:50:05 AM
Any word on the content lads, rather than the presentation? Was there more or less action than they were showing last year (which was about 25% of programme time)? That's all I'm interested in and I don't give a toss what music they play or what they say or how they say it because I've decided this year to hit 'mute' when the studio cliche session is on. Except if it's Tommy Lyons, because that would be too funny to miss.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: magpie seanie on May 12, 2008, 12:14:14 PM
Difficult to assess Hardy as there was only one game and they showed quite a bit of it (although as usual it was only the scores). I fear nothing much will change in that regard. The stats section is quite useful though. I feared they'd do this badly and introduce meaningless stats like number of solos in a game but they stayed with basic enough stuff that gives some indication of what happened.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: feetofflames on May 12, 2008, 12:43:09 PM
The camera from above thing in the studio was terrible hardy boy. 
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Maguire01 on May 12, 2008, 01:33:32 PM
I think RTE need to remember who their customer for GAA is, it aint rugby knobs up in Ballsbridge thats for sure.

What are we then? Simple folk, who dont like that type of thing! All dis messin' wit com-pew-turs,  ::)

While I didnt get to see it yet, thanks to this "Island of Ireland only" policy. I get the impression of some here that any kind of modernisation or presentation is a waste of time. Starting to sound like the GAA cliches portrayed on Apres Match. While its not as crucial as the content and the games themselves it is an important part in the programs popularity.

From my point of view, not at all.  I think my posting history would suggest that i'm realativly progressive (especially in the generally conservative GAA environment).
The point is that it was all style over substance. Too many pointless gimics.  Some changes worked, others added no value and looked pretty tacky.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 12, 2008, 01:48:27 PM
Great to have the old theme tune back and Joanne and Tohill on de stools and their gizmos look well, camera angles were shocking though. The feckin ringing when names came up on screen was very irrating, for a while I thought someone had lost their phone down de back of my couch. The sound production team must be half deaf in there as the "effects" are way too loud. The three big brother chairs facing each other looks a bit stupid and the view from above actually made me laugh. Still though it is an improvement from last year.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: thejuice on May 12, 2008, 01:59:19 PM
I think RTE need to remember who their customer for GAA is, it aint rugby knobs up in Ballsbridge thats for sure.

What are we then? Simple folk, who dont like that type of thing! All dis messin' wit com-pew-turs,  ::)

While I didnt get to see it yet, thanks to this "Island of Ireland only" policy. I get the impression of some here that any kind of modernisation or presentation is a waste of time. Starting to sound like the GAA cliches portrayed on Apres Match. While its not as crucial as the content and the games themselves it is an important part in the programs popularity.

From my point of view, not at all.  I think my posting history would suggest that i'm realativly progressive (especially in the generally conservative GAA environment).
The point is that it was all style over substance. Too many pointless gimics.  Some changes worked, others added no value and looked pretty tacky.

Note the words "some" and "I get the impression", as opposed to "all" and "you are".
Anyway, didnt have you in mind, Maguire.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: gwan-ye-boy-ya on May 12, 2008, 03:17:16 PM
great to  have the old music back ;)
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on May 12, 2008, 03:19:00 PM
Well the layout was a bit odd to say the least with Pat stuck up on a big chair like a Bond villian speaking to his two henchmen below him and indeed half the time all you could see was the back of the pundits heads. Then behind Pat was Joanne Cantwell and another pundit up on a pair of high stools. The entire set was a bit of an eyesore with most of the furnishings looking like interference on a television screen and a big swirl on the carpet below them. I wonder did Philip Treacy design the set?

The much touted new gizmo for them to use this year was the virtual reality computer graphics. However these were used by Sky over a decade ago and were ditched after a year or two of use if I remember correctly.

Overall the new set layout would burn your retinas while the content is much the same as last year as you'd expect given that it's the same presenter and same pundits.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Feckitt on May 12, 2008, 03:52:17 PM
Good Points

1. The theme tune is back!! Hurrah
2. Joanne & Tohill's section was very good.  I think big Anthony is better suited to this type of serious analysis.  He never looked comfortable trying to have the craic with Spillane & Tommy Lyons.
3. The graphics employed by Joanne & Tohill were pretty good, especially the virtual reality stuff where they changed the camera angle.
4. The montage of 2007 was brilliant
5. Absense of Tommy Lyons.
6. Absense of 'eejits corner' or whatever it was called last year where toothless wonders said hello to the mammy

Bad Points

1. Spillane.  Still better suited as an analyst rather than a presenter
2. Kevin McStay.  A very negative unlikeable chap.
3. Spillane still leading every question with an email or text from some random punter.  The ould fella still says that anyone that knows how to text knows nothing about football !!!
4. The overhead shots.  Cringeworthy

Overall, I think this is a big improvement on last year.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Death Valley on May 12, 2008, 04:44:07 PM


The tech bit is a good enough addition to the show. Especially like the dots illustrating the number of steps that westmeath got away with for their goal..

And McStay the Mayo fool had the stupidity to contradict the evidence. "No I dont agree Anthony he tuck 8 steps not 10" The computer is wrong, the Mayo man is right. He should be bet out of Roscommon like the last Mayo lad  ;D. Lyons is another Mayo man thats a fool, Carney is the worst of all.I Like Spillane (wind up merchant), Cinneide & Tohill. O Rourke is a bit of a gobdaa, Brolly a complete tospot. Lyster is a fantastic presenter. Good to have the music back, even if its a gay version of its former self.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ziggysego on May 12, 2008, 04:53:53 PM
Good to have the music back, even if its a gay version of its former self.

Heeeeeeey! I like the new version.

I see that the Championship is still blocked to the North. Gonna have to work around that, but I see that this year, it is available world-wide on a Wednesday.

Pints, you'll be able to watch it on Wednesday night..... wait, you're on dial-up aren't you! ;)
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: dubinhell on May 13, 2008, 12:57:02 PM

Cough cough

http://www.mininova.org/search/?search=GAA

And when somebody starts showing live football outside of Ireland then i'll stop using this ;)
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: thejuice on May 13, 2008, 01:02:48 PM
Good to have the music back, even if its a gay version of its former self.

Yeah, its not as good as the original, theres some backing vocals on it from what I heard that just dont sit right. Like some blokes humming the tune in the back-ground
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: mylestheslasher on May 14, 2008, 10:15:46 PM
Good to have the music back, even if its a gay version of its former self.

Yeah, its not as good as the original, theres some backing vocals on it from what I heard that just dont sit right. Like some blokes humming the tune in the back-ground


I don't know Juice, some people just can't let GAA tv shows move on. ;)
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: thejuice on May 15, 2008, 08:46:39 AM
Good to have the music back, even if its a gay version of its former self.

Yeah, its not as good as the original, theres some backing vocals on it from what I heard that just dont sit right. Like some blokes humming the tune in the back-ground


I don't know Juice, some people just can't let GAA tv shows move on. ;)

Hey you! stop that,

Watched it last night online, it would be a big improvement if they just got rid of Spillane, all the graphics and new studio layouts wont make a difference if he's there.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ziggysego on May 15, 2008, 08:51:52 AM
The noise when a graphic pops up on screen annoys me, but the view above is stupid. Other than that, looks good.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Minder on May 18, 2008, 10:07:11 PM
A piece of incisive analysis from Tommy Lyons after the Wicklow v Kildare game "Like, you know....like" Tremendous stuff.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Seany on May 18, 2008, 10:17:45 PM
ALl of it is terrible apart from the bit of graphic stuff that Tohill did.  Remember, these muppets have the benefit of five hours to ponder what they are going to say and you'd swear it was the first time they'd thought about it when asked the first question.
Dreadful.  No incisive analysis. Joanne Cantwell made about three errors in her first sentence.  And who decided it was a good iidea to have her and Tohill sitting in the background as a distraction.  Give me cheap and cheerful BBC any day.  At least McHugh and Burns know the game and look interested in what they are talking about.   
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on May 18, 2008, 10:31:31 PM
Someone tell Tommy Lyons Armagh didn't win their last 2 games in the League. I know everyone makes mistakes but when your an analyst basing your opinion on a team's championship chances on inaccurate facts, there's something seriously wrong.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: johnpower on May 18, 2008, 10:35:36 PM
Hard to criticise the Sunday game at this stage when most of the games are shite due to mismatches and teams not been fully match fit .

Give it time folks hopefully the games get better when Ulster and Leinster have the quarter finals . What do people think of the suggestion Carlow should not be in the championship ?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Bogball XV on May 18, 2008, 10:38:47 PM
ALl of it is terrible apart from the bit of graphic stuff that Tohill did.  Remember, these muppets have the benefit of five hours to ponder what they are going to say and you'd swear it was the first time they'd thought about it when asked the first question.
Dreadful.  No incisive analysis. Joanne Cantwell made about three errors in her first sentence.  And who decided it was a good iidea to have her and Tohill sitting in the background as a distraction.  Give me cheap and cheerful BBC any day.  At least McHugh and Burns know the game and look interested in what they are talking about.   
So which Sunday Game analysts don't know the game? 
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: hardstation on May 18, 2008, 10:41:03 PM
What do people think of the suggestion Carlow should not be in the championship ?
Bulldung. Tony Davis has a right f**king cheek. "They shouldn't be in the competition. I was embarrassed for them." I was right and embarrassed for Cork getting a tanking in the AI final. I watched Carlow against Antrim in the league. They were very unlucky and easily could have won the game. Some very handy footballers. They'd a bad day today. Give them a break ffs.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Zulu on May 18, 2008, 10:42:49 PM
I think yer being a bit harsh there lads, it's not faultless but I'm not sure what you can expect in the small window of opportunity analysts get to speak. I can't understand why there isn't a mid week show that allows analysts to review the previous games in more detail and preview the upcoming games. With a phone and text in aspect to the show it could lead to some interesting discussions.

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Give it time folks hopefully the games get better when Ulster and Leinster have the quarter finals . What do people think of the suggestion Carlow should not be in the championship ?

Not sure about that but the provincial format for the championship has outlived it's usefulness and needs to go. The power brokers in the GAA need to take the bull by the horns here and try to change the way we run our inter county competitions.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: GaryColemansLeftPeg on May 18, 2008, 10:46:10 PM
Someone tell Tommy Lyons Armagh didn't win their last 2 games in the League. I know everyone makes mistakes but when your an analyst basing your opinion on a team's championship chances on inaccurate facts, there's something seriously wrong.

Pea Brain.

Stop making this a statto board - a mistake fair enough, but lets take it more seriously than that.

As it is said "Without gorwing Crops a man can't harvest in Winter, Summer or for his matchday sunday"

I think we all should think about this before criticising.

A man who criticises walks on "the other Bridge from me", Which Armagh man said that then lads?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on May 18, 2008, 10:52:25 PM
I think Tommy Lyons is used to make all the other pundits look good.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: magpie seanie on May 18, 2008, 10:56:13 PM
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I think Tommy Lyons is used to make all the other pundits look good.


He really is the most annoying and useless pundit possible.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Maguire01 on May 18, 2008, 10:59:00 PM
They've stopped the graphics moving behind Spillane's head = good.
They still insist on the shots from above = still hilarious.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: johnpower on May 18, 2008, 11:02:00 PM
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I think Tommy Lyons is used to make all the other pundits look good.


He really is the most annoying and useless pundit possible.



Ah Tommy is not that bad .he has the experience of been involved at the top end and brings some realism to the debates
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Aaron Boone on May 18, 2008, 11:04:20 PM
Spillane's the best pundit they have. He doesn't make too many mistakes presenting any more but he's still a better pundit. Lyons is ok for me too.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: INDIANA on May 18, 2008, 11:05:37 PM
quite like the new format, lyons is a pretty good analyst most of the time. i think some of you are so out of date you'd prefer if they wore slippers and sat around in rocking chairs while mrs doyle from Father Ted brewed the tea
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on May 18, 2008, 11:09:12 PM
Lyons constantly moves his feet like a restless child.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Doire abú on May 18, 2008, 11:10:37 PM
Noticed that  as well. Have to agree with the consensus that he knows **** all as well.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: hardstation on May 18, 2008, 11:12:45 PM
He said the Antrim match was a great game to watch so a thumbs up from me this week. ;D
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Bogball XV on May 18, 2008, 11:18:58 PM
Noticed that  as well. Have to agree with the consensus that he knows **** all as well.
Very harsh lads, the man has 2 Leinsters and an All Ireland club under his belt, All Ireland U21 too??  Maybe just not good at expressing himself?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on May 18, 2008, 11:40:33 PM
If he stopped thinking about his feet for a second maybe he could provide some semi-coherent analysis!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: joemamas on May 19, 2008, 12:38:51 AM
Lyons is a real p***k and is beyond annoying.  Knows Fu*k all about football, constantly stating the obvious. while his achievments were listed, his failures were a whole lot more
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Mike Sheehy on May 19, 2008, 01:50:38 AM
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while his achievments were listed, his failures were a whole lot more

Even the most sucessful have had more failures over their career than sucesses. Thats the nature of sport.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: orangeman on May 19, 2008, 09:47:30 AM
Lyons is a real p***k and is beyond annoying.  Knows Fu*k all about football, constantly stating the obvious. while his achievments were listed, his failures were a whole lot more

Is this pick on Lyons day ? Ok - he does annoy me as well !  ;) :D
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Minder on May 19, 2008, 09:48:01 AM
Noticed that  as well. Have to agree with the consensus that he knows **** all as well.
Very harsh lads, the man has 2 Leinsters and an All Ireland club under his belt, All Ireland U21 too??  Maybe just not good at expressing himself?

He shouldnt be an analyst on national TV then......
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: AZOffaly on May 19, 2008, 09:53:12 AM
I think, despite leading Offaly and Dublin to Leinster titles, and Crokes to an AIC title, Tommy Lyons' greatest contribution to modern society is introducing 'Arse Boxing' to the vernacular.

Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: goldenyears on May 19, 2008, 10:15:07 AM
watched the sunday game for the first time in the new season last night and thought it was awful

the studio decor, the new gadgets, the camera panning as people spoke and the over head shots..!

did anyone notice the camera moving around reflected in the screen behind tohill's head? jaysus it was cringe worthy stuff

do any of these rte/bbc fellas watch sky sports at all to show how it should be done??
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Maroon Heaven on May 19, 2008, 10:21:33 AM
They've stopped the graphics moving behind Spillane's head = good.
They still insist on the shots from above = still hilarious.

Good to see Graphics are away. Over head is just too much.

I'd like to see Spillane turn around and talk to Tohill when he is doing his bit. Looked too wooden still. Would bring Tohill in more and is sitting there looking like a young lad on Communion waiting for his picture to be taken.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ziggysego on May 19, 2008, 12:11:01 PM
Spillane was being a wee bollocks. Saying that Tohill still has a lot to learn about analysing, but he's getting there.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: full back on May 19, 2008, 02:35:53 PM
It looks like they are f**king sitting on zebras.
Whoever designed the studio needs shot
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: screenexile on May 19, 2008, 02:47:21 PM
YEah I don't like the way Tohill and Joanne have to stay there like lemons listening to what the lads have to say without having any real input... it looks stupid!

As for the rest of it well I thought the overhead shots are OK, it looked pretty cool when giving the MOTM nominees for the Galway game. The setup looks a bit like a quiz show with the two lads facing Spillane the quizmaster.

Other than that the analysis thing is pretty cool. Young Joanne will imptrove as she gets a bit more experienced, the new music is back and we get a look at Joanne so not all bad.

Oh yeah and on the Joanne Cantwell thing. Is she actually good looking or is it just that it's a novelty having a woman on the Sunday Game. Is it elevating her status without her really deserving it?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: AZOffaly on May 19, 2008, 02:50:04 PM
I think she's a nice looking girl, just as Evanne is as well. (Although the camera doesn't do her (Evanne) justice). Having said that, it could be a case of 'what's rare is wonderful' as looking at Spillane, Lyons, Davis, O'Rourke and Brolly would make Rose West look like a cracker :D
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: hardstation on May 19, 2008, 02:53:27 PM
Yes, Joanne should be made to wear just her underwear.

Also, it would be great craic if Tohill hit the wrong button and the gaaboard came up on the screen showing that he is swaman or pintsofguinness or someone.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Minder on May 19, 2008, 02:54:43 PM
Yes, Joanne should be made to wear just her underwear.

Also, it would be great craic if Tohill hit the wrong button and the gaaboard came up on the screen showing that he is swaman or pintsofguinness or someone.

Tommy Lyons should be made just to wear his underwear......
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: magpie seanie on May 19, 2008, 03:11:41 PM
Whatever floats yer boat....
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 19, 2008, 03:13:58 PM
Would have to agree strongly that Evanne looks 10 times better in the flesh, saw her in Croker last year and had trouble remembering there was a match on...
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on May 19, 2008, 03:14:58 PM
id love to see Tohill lose the head and go down and put some manners on the two, fools down there.  :)
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ziggysego on May 19, 2008, 03:46:33 PM
id love to see Tohill lose the head and go down and put some manners on the two, fools down there.  :)

I'd pay the license just for that
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ludermor on May 19, 2008, 04:09:58 PM
There must be a few lads here hoping evanne reads this and will be introducing themselves the next time ye see her!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: scalder on May 19, 2008, 04:30:03 PM
Did any of you hear Des Cahill last week, Evanne was in doing the sports bullitin in her camoige gear, Des seemed more than a little excited, not that I could blame the man!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on May 19, 2008, 05:14:27 PM
Hasnt been any real big matches so far but I definately think there is to much talk on the Sunday game and not enough action. The action nearly seems to be a side show with most of the emphasis on the pundits. If they want to talk then a midweek show would be much better and could also be used to preview the next weeks games as someone else said. A lot of people go to watch gaelic games on a Sunday afternoon so decent highlights is definately needed on Sunday night. There certainly wouldnt be any point in avoiding the scores so you could watch the games that night due to the lack of coverage.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Main Street on May 19, 2008, 05:26:04 PM
Exactly TD
Does no one watch the football?

My complaint is there is not enough of the highlights.
At least another 5 mins a game  and less chit chat.




 
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Maguire01 on May 19, 2008, 06:37:14 PM
id love to see Tohill lose the head and go down and put some manners on the two, fools down there.  :)

I can't see Tohill ever summoning enough emotion to do anything even remotely exciting.  He's as dull as you can get.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: hardstation on May 25, 2008, 10:54:01 PM
Yes, Joanne should be made to wear just her underwear.
I see she hasn't been reading the board. :'(
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ziggysego on May 25, 2008, 10:56:02 PM
Yes, Joanne should be made to wear just her underwear.
I see she hasn't been reading the board. :'(

Could be one of the extra features when you press the red button.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Maguire01 on May 25, 2008, 10:59:06 PM
Did any of those photos match the names of the players for Fermanagh's Man of the Match?  There were 2 pictures of the same man with 2 different names.  I'm pretty sure neither were Marty McGrath! I'm not overly familiar with the Fermanagh players, but didn't recognise any of the mug-shots on screen.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: hardstation on May 25, 2008, 11:03:14 PM
Did any of those photos match the names of the players for Fermanagh's Man of the Match?  There were 2 pictures of the same man with 2 different names.  I'm pretty sure neither were Marty McGrath! I'm not overly familiar with the Fermanagh players, but didn't recognise any of the mug-shots on screen.
I noticed that. I just thought they looked alike.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: haranguerer on May 26, 2008, 12:56:51 PM
You're right Maguire, none of the pictures were fermanagh men. Some of the ones with me thought the bottom one was anthony lynch, but I think myself it may have been the three MOM candidates of another game shown that night - i was in the pub and only seen the fer-mon game. Poor tho, but I'm sure they'll recognise them by september  ;D :P
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Owenmoresider on May 26, 2008, 01:59:40 PM
Yes, Joanne should be made to wear just her underwear.
I see she hasn't been reading the board. :'(

Could be one of the extra features when you press the red button.
Sadly the only red button on the remote at home is to turn it off. :'(
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: AZOffaly on May 26, 2008, 02:02:15 PM
You're right Maguire, none of the pictures were fermanagh men. Some of the ones with me thought the bottom one was anthony lynch, but I think myself it may have been the three MOM candidates of another game shown that night - i was in the pub and only seen the fer-mon game. Poor tho, but I'm sure they'll recognise them by september  ;D :P

That was a joke. For the Offaly Laois game, Anthony Lynch from Cork (I think) was supposed to be Kevin Brady, Some lad whose picture was down for Ryan Keenan of Fermanagh in the previous game was spposed to be Conor Mahon, and the same picture again was supposed to be Brian Carroll!

That sort of schoolboy stuff is ridiculous.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Mentalman on May 26, 2008, 03:20:48 PM
Yeah, wrong pictures, and then to compound it by showing the same wrong picture twice for two different guys. And people wonder why the smaller counties get chips on their shoulders :)

Still, let's be honest, the Sunday Game disappeared up it's own hole a long time back, has got nigh on unwatchable since that empty vessel Spillane took the hot seat, and this year's introduction of the technodrome has managed to top the pre-existing farce. With TV3 soon to add their own brand of amateurism to the mix, the GAA badly need to consider taking control of how their sports are shown to the public. a good point ot start might be the AFL coverage shown on TG4 - that's how to package highlights. It's a crock of having highlights with analysis, analysis belongs after the live match, highlights should be just that.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: AZOffaly on May 26, 2008, 03:24:10 PM
Setanta used to have a good show during the week. If I was head of RTE sport, this is what I would do.

Sunday Game live - grand, leave it as it is.

Sunday Game - More highlights, more interviews, MOTM. Very little analysis.

Wednesday Recap/Preview - Hour long. Few highlights, more tactical analysis, when they've had a few days to to some revision and get the graphics etc right. Also preview to next weekend's games, like what Breaking Ball (which was excellent) used to do.


Agus sin é.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: hardstation on May 26, 2008, 03:26:10 PM
Setanta used to have a good show during the week. If I was head of RTE sport, this is what I would do.

Sunday Game live - grand, leave it as it is.

Sunday Game - More highlights, more interviews, MOTM. Very little analysis.

Wednesday Recap/Preview - Hour long. Few highlights, more tacticaly analysis, when they've had a few days to to some revision and get the graphics etc right. Also preview to next weekends game.


Agus sin é.
Ahem.........
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: AZOffaly on May 26, 2008, 03:38:22 PM
What did I do wrong?

Seo é? :D
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: hardstation on May 26, 2008, 03:45:47 PM
Joanne should be made to wear just her underwear.
;)
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: AZOffaly on May 26, 2008, 03:58:42 PM
Sorry. Obviously that as well, but I hardly think that needs to be pointed out. :D
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: full back on June 01, 2008, 04:49:20 PM
 :D
Good lad Colm
Small men shouldnt be refereeing big championship games
What a f**king thing to say :D
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: joemamas on June 01, 2008, 04:51:04 PM
  Re: Donegal V Derry, June 1st
« Reply #91 on: Today at 04:49:44 PM »     

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o rourke "a small man should not be in charge of a big mans game.

I am no fan of duffy , but comments were over the top, especially when there is no way to reply or defend yourself.  must be a little bit of history there.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: full back on June 01, 2008, 04:54:39 PM
Maybe Duffy didnt give our wee Shane enough frees one day......
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Maguire01 on June 01, 2008, 04:55:51 PM
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McGuigan, pretending to be Duffy, yesterday.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: full back on June 01, 2008, 09:47:45 PM
Big Anthony isnt going to hang Fergal Doc - he reckons it was more a get out of the way slap :D
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: hardstation on June 01, 2008, 09:50:27 PM
Interestingly, did anyone else see the bits and pieces of Derry - Donegal games down the years? Well, one of the clips showed Tohill hitting a Donegal player a 'get out of the way' dig on the back of the head.

P.S Joanne Cantwell is class.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: full back on June 01, 2008, 09:56:53 PM
Is she really that class hardstation or is it she stands out because she is surrounded by a bunch of ugly fcukers?

Camilla would stand out on the Sunday Game
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: hardstation on June 01, 2008, 09:58:34 PM
No. She really is class.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: johnpower on June 01, 2008, 10:01:49 PM
What will happen Doherty ? a 4 week ban . It can happen in any match .I did not think it was that serious .
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: magickingdom on June 01, 2008, 10:07:51 PM
Is she really that class hardstation or is it she stands out because she is surrounded by a bunch of ugly fcukers?
Camilla would stand out on the Sunday Game

oh please fb, shes a honey trap! stands out even when interviewing the kerry team
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: unforgiven on June 01, 2008, 10:12:40 PM
Is she really that class hardstation or is it she stands out because she is surrounded by a bunch of ugly fcukers?

Camilla would stand out on the Sunday Game

Don't ever call anthony ugly! >:(
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: full back on June 01, 2008, 10:17:40 PM
Im not saying she is ugly, but she isnt that good looking
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: From the Bunker on June 01, 2008, 10:19:28 PM
That overhead Camera angle is a bit freaky, can't see the point unless you want to know who has a Bald Patch.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: hardstation on June 01, 2008, 10:19:43 PM
They shut Micko up there.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Maguire01 on June 01, 2008, 10:20:21 PM
Big Anthony isnt going to hang Fergal Doc - he reckons it was more a get out of the way slap :D

Seriously biased from Tohill in the studio - lacks credibility. You can't say McQuaid should go one week and then dismiss Doherty's effort because it was 'at the lower end of the scale'.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Bensars on June 01, 2008, 10:23:30 PM
Ahh maguire ffs,  it was an ambush.

I watched the whole game and it was a minor incident
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Maguire01 on June 01, 2008, 10:26:42 PM
But it was a strike.  If it hadn't been a Derry man, Tohill would have had no problem calling it as it was.  I'm not saying it was a deadly serious assault, but his inability/unwillingness to acknowledge it was poor form. He sounded like a politician.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: hardstation on June 01, 2008, 10:27:31 PM
What about the shirt and tie combination on McComiskey?
 :-\
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: off the laces on June 02, 2008, 10:19:10 AM
Im not saying she is ugly, but she isnt that good looking
FB you must have some looker onyour arm, Joanne is pure creme de la creme!!!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Billys Boots on June 02, 2008, 10:25:06 AM
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If it hadn't been a Derry man, Tohill would have had no problem calling it as it was.

Brolly didn't call it as it was either - what's the point in having these gombeens on telly spending our licence fees unless they're honest?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: screenexile on June 02, 2008, 10:29:48 AM
What's your problem? Did Tohill admit it was striking? Yes he did. Basically he said it wasn't much of a punch but he admitted it was a punch on the lower end of the striking scale. Doherty deserves to get a month for striking and that should be the end of it. I don't see what all the fuss is over. In fairness I didn't hear Brolly yesterday but I think he was trying to defend the indefensible "Doherty's not that type of player, blah blah blah". In fairness he's not usually one to strike out but he did and deserves his month.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Billys Boots on June 02, 2008, 11:07:40 AM
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Doherty deserves to get a month for striking and that should be the end of it. I don't see what all the fuss is over.

I agree, I don't think it should be glossed over (as something insignificant) or talked up (as the new holocaust), but Tohill shouldn't have tried to defend his fellow countyman in the very awkward fashion that he did.  He seemed like he didn't want to be getting a slagging down the pub at home about it.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: cavanmaniac on June 02, 2008, 12:23:25 PM
Tohill went around the houses trying to introduce a grey area - the Doherty offence was "at the lower end of the scale" he offered, along with other such GAA euphemisms emplyed to circumvent the rules etc. - when the rule states, as pointed out by Davis in fairness to him, that striking or attempting to strike warrants an immediate red card.

15 minutes later, Tohill is analysing the penalty incident or some other such matter and he starts banging on about how "technically, and by the letter of the law" it was a correct decision.

And nobody in the studio pulled him up over it.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Billys Boots on June 02, 2008, 01:02:25 PM
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And nobody in the studio pulled him up over it.

But it seemed to be what most of us 'neutrals' were thinking, immediately.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Minder on June 02, 2008, 01:08:44 PM
Im not saying she is ugly, but she isnt that good looking
FB you must have some looker onyour arm, Joanne is pure creme de la creme!!!

I am with FB on this one, she is ok, nothing special. If you walked down the street in any town you would see ten better looking women within five minutes. Its because she is on the same set as some of those other beasts like Spillane and Mc Stay that she stands out.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: the green man on June 02, 2008, 01:13:19 PM
That other blade, Ni Chullin(?), she's better.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Maguire01 on June 02, 2008, 01:16:32 PM
What's your problem? Did Tohill admit it was striking? Yes he did. Basically he said it wasn't much of a punch but he admitted it was a punch on the lower end of the striking scale. Doherty deserves to get a month for striking and that should be the end of it. I don't see what all the fuss is over.

Yes, Tohill just about admitted it, but only after being pushed and pushed to do so - that's what seems to have annoyed people and that's what the fuss is over.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: INDIANA on June 02, 2008, 01:48:08 PM
i thought Brolly and Tohill were  a joke last night. In general they are possibly the two best analysts and i usually like listening to them but let themselves down yesterday. Striking is striking, full stop and if we start getting into the semantics like the power of a punch or he didn't hit him that hard, the game is finished. Both of them should have been big enough to say, he struck the player and should have walked despite their own county colours.
The reality is the analysts shouldn't be commenting on their own county unless they agree to be impartial and both of them took the piss last night. neither should be asked for their comments re derry for the rest of the season on live television. that was an absolute piss-take last night and highlights when someone has a virtual monopoly on viewing rights the sort of shite they can get away with.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Mentalman on June 02, 2008, 02:28:45 PM
That other blade, Ni Chullin(?), she's better.

Nail on head.

As to the substantive issue, Brolly let himself down badly, but not for the first time I suppose. Getting ratty with O'Rourke was hillarious though, implying Colm actively wanted to get the Derry lad suspended. The only thing to say in his defense was that he was obviously fired up after his counties win, his wee cynical heart still cares dearly about all thing Derry. Big Anthony was at least a little more shame faced. It was a striking offence, plain and simple. If he gets suspended he'll only have himself to blame.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: screenexile on June 02, 2008, 02:30:59 PM
Dear god what's with all this uproar!? People are biased FACT! Whether it's Paul Curran and Tommy Lyons w**king over Dublin when they beat Longford or Louth or some other footballing superpower down there, Martin McHugh hating Derry (and likig Donegal slightly... now there was someone showing themselves up yesterday), or Jarlath Burns being Armagh through and through. The rest are as bad with O'Rourke hard to listen to when he's defending Meath.

To call the 2 lads a joke is a bit rich coming from a Dub supporter!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: hardstation on June 02, 2008, 02:34:49 PM
.....Or a Derry man defending two Derry men defending a Derry man. ;)
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: screenexile on June 02, 2008, 02:35:34 PM
.....Or a Derry man defending two Derry men defending a Derry man. ;)

My head hurts  :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Rav67 on June 02, 2008, 02:37:16 PM
Dear god what's with all this uproar!? People are biased FACT! Whether it's Paul Curran and Tommy Lyons w**king over Dublin when they beat Longford or Louth or some other footballing superpower down there, Martin McHugh hating Derry (and likig Donegal slightly... now there was someone showing themselves up yesterday), or Jarlath Burns being Armagh through and through. The rest are as bad with O'Rourke hard to listen to when he's defending Meath.

To call the 2 lads a joke is a bit rich coming from a Dub supporter!

While we're at the nail-on-heads
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Billys Boots on June 02, 2008, 02:41:12 PM
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People are biased FACT!

I was wondering when the whataboutery would start.   ::)
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: screenexile on June 02, 2008, 02:51:25 PM
Whataboutery? I would have thought that in a discussion where people are calling Brolly and Tohill biased (which they are and I'm not denying that), it should be opened up that pretty much all the pundits on the Sunday Game are biased for their own county...actually none more so than our famous host!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: whiskeysteve on June 02, 2008, 02:52:45 PM
i thought Brolly and Tohill were  a joke last night. In general they are possibly the two best analysts and i usually like listening to them but let themselves down yesterday. Striking is striking, full stop and if we start getting into the semantics like the power of a punch or he didn't hit him that hard, the game is finished. Both of them should have been big enough to say, he struck the player and should have walked despite their own county colours.
The reality is the analysts shouldn't be commenting on their own county unless they agree to be impartial and both of them took the piss last night. neither should be asked for their comments re derry for the rest of the season on live television. that was an absolute piss-take last night and highlights when someone has a virtual monopoly on viewing rights the sort of shite they can get away with.

I agree that Tohill should have straight out said it was a red card offence but slight bias for your own county is surely understandable and on such occasions the punditry should be taken with a pinch of salt. I don't understand the uproar here, especially with Brolly who has a track record of being a bit of a wind up (was at the game so missed what he said, admittedly)
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: INDIANA on June 02, 2008, 03:11:25 PM
simply should have had davis in the studio instead of brolly and tohill should have been given the night off. It's not that difficult to organise. obviosuly in RTE it's very difficult. there is biased and there is yesterday's pisstake because that's what it was. But when you've got a monoploy that's the shite you have to put up with.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Rav67 on June 02, 2008, 03:23:26 PM
simply should have had davis in the studio instead of brolly and tohill should have been given the night off. It's not that difficult to organise. obviosuly in RTE it's very difficult. there is biased and there is yesterday's pisstake because that's what it was. But when you've got a monoploy that's the shite you have to put up with.

What difference does it make really?  Joe Public can think for himself and doesn't need Tohill or someone else in the same circumstances to condemn a fellow countyman to make up his mind whether an incident was a sending-off offence or not.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: whiskeysteve on June 02, 2008, 03:30:50 PM
simply should have had davis in the studio instead of brolly and tohill should have been given the night off. It's not that difficult to organise. obviosuly in RTE it's very difficult. there is biased and there is yesterday's pisstake because that's what it was. But when you've got a monoploy that's the shite you have to put up with.

Can't understand your rage at a one off show of bias. You said yourself they are good analysts in general. Tony Davis was there to bring balance for tohill, likewise o'rouke for brolly.

Also what duo would be better to cover a derry match than joe and anthony - surely they are best placed to give insight.

Most of all, how the f**k this storm in a teacup is down to a broadcasting monopoly is beyond me
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Hoof Hearted on June 02, 2008, 03:43:16 PM
Dear god what's with all this uproar!? People are biased FACT! Whether it's Paul Curran and Tommy Lyons w**king over Dublin when they beat Longford or Louth or some other footballing superpower down there, Martin McHugh hating Derry (and likig Donegal slightly... now there was someone showing themselves up yesterday), or Jarlath Burns being Armagh through and through. The rest are as bad with O'Rourke hard to listen to when he's defending Meath.

To call the 2 lads a joke is a bit rich coming from a Dub supporter!

While we're at the nail-on-heads

Perfectly summed up screen
you get this on MOTD and skyports week in week out
wenger - i didnt see it !
ferguson - never a penalty
jamie redknapp - gerrard didnt dive
etc, etc
everyone sticks up for their own in every walk of life
on the derry thread it goes on every week, everone has blue, maroon, or red glasses on depending on their club

someone else said there, rav67 maybe, is why do we need thesed people on here week in out to state the obvious
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: billy the kid on June 02, 2008, 04:21:46 PM
Dear god what's with all this uproar!? People are biased FACT! Whether it's Paul Curran and Tommy Lyons w**king over Dublin when they beat Longford or Louth or some other footballing superpower down there, Martin McHugh hating Derry (and likig Donegal slightly... now there was someone showing themselves up yesterday), or Jarlath Burns being Armagh through and through. The rest are as bad with O'Rourke hard to listen to when he's defending Meath.

To call the 2 lads a joke is a bit rich coming from a Dub supporter!

Exile is right all of the pundits are biased to a certain degree and none more so than McHugh, Burns and that tube Tommy lyons  and the worst Ive ever seen is Ger Houlahan who always managed to come out with "you cant look past Armagh" no matter what game was being talked about.

Tohil and Brolly showed bias no doubt about it but so what? Every single poster on here shows bias in their views being generous to their own team and being very hard on teams they dont like.  I know I do it all the time and I dont apologise for it one bit.

These wonderfully tribalised views we display when talking about our own county are one of the many things that make the GAA such a brilliant part of life.

As someone else said its all a storm in a tea cup.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: screenexile on June 02, 2008, 04:23:44 PM
Dear god what's with all this uproar!? People are biased FACT! Whether it's Paul Curran and Tommy Lyons w**king over Dublin when they beat Longford or Louth or some other footballing superpower down there, Martin McHugh hating Derry (and likig Donegal slightly... now there was someone showing themselves up yesterday), or Jarlath Burns being Armagh through and through. The rest are as bad with O'Rourke hard to listen to when he's defending Meath.

To call the 2 lads a joke is a bit rich coming from a Dub supporter!

Exile is right all of the pundits are biased to a certain degree and none more so than McHugh, Burns and that tube Tommy lyons  and the worst Ive ever seen is Ger Houlahan who always managed to come out with "you cant look past Armagh" no matter what game was being talked about.

Tohil and Brolly showed bias no doubt about it but so what? Every single poster on here shows bias in their views being generous to their own team and being very hard on teams they dont like.  I know I do it all the time and I dont apologise for it one bit.

These wonderfully tribalised views we display when talking about our own county are one of the many things that make the GAA such a brilliant part of life.

As someone else said its all a storm in a tea cup.

That may be but I think you owe all of us an apology! :D
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Will Hunting on June 02, 2008, 04:25:54 PM
Why are people so surprised that Tohill doesn't want to come on TV on a Sunday evening and try and get a fellow countyman suspended. Basically, that is what it boils down to. The Sunday Game has the potential (and we've seen it before) to help the CCCCCCC with their investigations into on-field misdemeanours. It's like a trial in the studio.

Now the funny thing about all this is that it's the Dublin posters who are crying about Tohill and Brolly's comments. What's it to you lads?? Still peeved that Ciaran Whelan managed to get suspended after 4 years + of thuggery? Jumping in to comment after a striking offence like we should all be up in arms.

Special mention also to whichever Monaghan poster compared Doherty's actions to Gary McQuaid's last week. McQuaid stamped, kicked and threw a punch straight in front of the referee. This followed an elbow on McCabe only moments earlier (you can see it on the Sunday Game highlights last week). To compare the two is nothing short of ridiculous. I don't even think Doherty extended his arm out to strike!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Billys Boots on June 02, 2008, 04:49:50 PM
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Whataboutery? I would have thought that in a discussion where people are calling Brolly and Tohill biased (which they are and I'm not denying that), it should be opened up that pretty much all the pundits on the Sunday Game are biased for their own county...actually none more so than our famous host!

Don't disagree, but that certainly doesn't make it right (and it definitely meets the whataboutery criteria).  Why not take the example of Longford's finest, Eugene McGee, who never 'goes easy' on his own county, and rarely (if ever) defends the indefensible?  Liam Griffin doesn't mind dishing it out to Wexford either, when it's due, as far as I can recall.  I agree that it is rare alright, but it shouldn't be. 
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: INDIANA on June 02, 2008, 05:25:56 PM
fairness across the board will, if there is consistency in our discplinary procedures, doherty should get a 4 week ban, no more, no less than he deserves. it wasn't too much for joe and tohill to say he struck his opponent. Listening to Joe was a bit like that Simpsons episode where Homer is protesting his innocence to the judge and eventually managed to convince the judge he was the aggrieved party.
Biased or not it wasn't too much to ask for them to call the incident what it was , striking.Poor old Joe thought he was in the High Court. It's amazing how defenisive some of our Northern brethren get when it's their county involved, but if its a dub they should be hung from the nearest gallows. Consistency is that we're looking for if we're to have coherent discplinary procedures.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Will Hunting on June 02, 2008, 05:40:38 PM
I agree Indiana, Doherty is deserving of a 4-week ban, but you can't expect analysts to compare it to other offences when it's not in the same league. The CCC may deem Doherty and McQuaid's offences to both deserve 4 weeks, but I'm saying that there is a world of difference between the two (despite the fact that the rules say it is 'striking' and therefore 4 weeks). But our analysts shouldn't be forced to say they are all the exact same when clearly Doherty's offence was nowhere near as bad as we've seen in other quarters. And expecting Derry pundits to lambast the offence is folly. As other posters said, rightly or wrongly, most analysts will try and look after their own.

Ps, Kavanagh was no angel yesterday himself; some of his antics were disgraceful.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Maguire01 on June 02, 2008, 06:00:33 PM
Special mention also to whichever Monaghan poster compared Doherty's actions to Gary McQuaid's last week. McQuaid stamped, kicked and threw a punch straight in front of the referee. This followed an elbow on McCabe only moments earlier (you can see it on the Sunday Game highlights last week). To compare the two is nothing short of ridiculous. I don't even think Doherty extended his arm out to strike!

That would be me.  My point is that even if there hadn't been the kicking incident (re McQuaid), there would have been a red card for the strike alone.
The comparison is not ridiculous - i brought it up because it was so recent and also got a lot of discussion. I can't remember anyone defending it or trying to make excuses. It's irrelevant whether or not the incident took place in front of the ref, save for the fact that in such an instance the ref can take immediate action.

And if Doherty wasn't extending his arm out to strike, what was he doing? Was he about to run his hands through his hair?! It was a blatant strike.  It may not have been the hardest in the world and Kavanagh may have gone down very easily.  But none of that is the issue - it's Brolly and Tohill's unwillingness to call it as it was straight out.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Hardy on June 02, 2008, 06:35:22 PM
It was a strike and merits a suspension. Them's the rules. But there should be a new rule introduced to outlaw face-clutching.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Will Hunting on June 02, 2008, 06:43:58 PM
Tohill said that "it was at the lower end of what we would define striking". This is correct. What is the problem??

I've just watched last night's highlights for the first time there now. I honestly thought Tohill had remained tight-lipped refusing to say the offence even happened, before Davis and Splliane actually pinned him down and pressed him for a response. This is what i though had happened having read this thread. Needless to say, this was not the case.  ::) ::)

Talk about much ado about nothing!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Billys Boots on June 02, 2008, 08:21:41 PM
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Tohill said that "it was at the lower end of what we would define striking". This is correct. What is the problem??

It is a fuss about very little, in terms of the strike involved - the issue is about Tohill and Brolly telling it like they do about the other counties in Ireland.  As for 'the lower end of what we would define as striking', I'd have said that's what Drogba did; I'd have thought the 'upper end' might be Barry Hall's recent, ahem, performance.  Doherty's was somewhere in the middle, a daycent scelp that deserves a 4-week heels cooling, and let that be an end to it.  Tohill and Brolly should be consigned to the sin-bin until they grow up a bit, or at least sidelined for Derry matches, if they're not capable of doing their job.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ildanach on June 02, 2008, 10:03:51 PM
I felt sorry for tohill last night. The whole incident got hyped up when Brolly made a c**k of himself in the afternoon defending doherty. That meant that once tohill was on the sunday game he was going to be put in the same position by Spillane.
In fairness to Tohill he did admit it was a strike - "all be it at the lower end of the scale". Anyone on here who thinks he is going to come on the sunday game and call for another derry man to get month suspensions is living in cuckoo land. Not one of the panel will do that. (although i think i remember  K mcstay doing it when T mortimer had an altercation with finian Hanley a couple of years back)  The simple solution to this is not to have derrymen analysing derry games or meath men on meath games etc...There is enough analysists to cover games and hi lights wthout this situation arising.

I dont believe in trial by media. It is up to the gaa to get the house in order, take a leaf out og the rugby book and start using some sort of citing commisioner. Anyone who feels they have been hit off the ball or if the  ref has not dealt with the incident can then bring it to the commisioners attention within 48 hours by email. The 'sinner' has another 24 to give there side by email or phonecall and the suspensions handed out appropriately . There should be 48hours to appeall. Then a line drawn under it with the suspension being number of games i.e one /two/ three as against weeks.
The media should be contacted once an incident has been cited and asked not to show it until the approprate actions have been taken.this gives fair chance to all sides - although this maybe a bit of wishful thinking.

Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: the green man on June 02, 2008, 10:14:00 PM
I felt sorry for tohill last night. The whole incident got hyped up when Brolly made a c**k of himself in the afternoon defending doherty. That meant that once tohill was on the sunday game he was going to be put in the same position by Spillane.
In fairness to Tohill he did admit it was a strike - "all be it at the lower end of the scale". Anyone on here who thinks he is going to come on the sunday game and call for another derry man to get month suspensions is living in cuckoo land. Not one of the panel will do that. (although i think i remember  K mcstay doing it when T mortimer had an altercation with finian Hanley a couple of years back)  The simple solution to this is not to have derrymen analysing derry games or meath men on meath games etc...There is enough analysists to cover games and hi lights wthout this situation arising.

I dont believe in trial by media. It is up to the gaa to get the house in order, take a leaf out og the rugby book and start using some sort of citing commisioner. Anyone who feels they have been hit off the ball or if the  ref has not dealt with the incident can then bring it to the commisioners attention within 48 hours by email. The 'sinner' has another 24 to give there side by email or phonecall and the suspensions handed out appropriately . There should be 48hours to appeall. Then a line drawn under it with the suspension being number of games i.e one /two/ three as against weeks.
The media should be contacted once an incident has been cited and asked not to show it until the approprate actions have been taken.this gives fair chance to all sides - although this maybe a bit of wishful thinking.



Agreed with everything in that post. One downside to the GAA is that there is never anyone to answer the hard calls r.e suspensions. The whole thing takes far too long to sort out. I had a fella sent off playing for me two years ago and I tried to find out if it ruled him out of a colleges game the next week. I still have yet to hear official conformation.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: jodyb on June 02, 2008, 10:24:40 PM
I felt sorry for tohill last night. The whole incident got hyped up when Brolly made a c**k of himself in the afternoon defending doherty. That meant that once tohill was on the sunday game he was going to be put in the same position by Spillane.
In fairness to Tohill he did admit it was a strike - "all be it at the lower end of the scale". Anyone on here who thinks he is going to come on the sunday game and call for another derry man to get month suspensions is living in cuckoo land. Not one of the panel will do that. (although i think i remember  K mcstay doing it when T mortimer had an altercation with finian Hanley a couple of years back)  The simple solution to this is not to have derrymen analysing derry games or meath men on meath games etc...There is enough analysists to cover games and hi lights wthout this situation arising.

I dont believe in trial by media. It is up to the gaa to get the house in order, take a leaf out og the rugby book and start using some sort of citing commisioner. Anyone who feels they have been hit off the ball or if the  ref has not dealt with the incident can then bring it to the commisioners attention within 48 hours by email. The 'sinner' has another 24 to give there side by email or phonecall and the suspensions handed out appropriately . There should be 48hours to appeall. Then a line drawn under it with the suspension being number of games i.e one /two/ three as against weeks.
The media should be contacted once an incident has been cited and asked not to show it until the approprate actions have been taken.this gives fair chance to all sides - although this maybe a bit of wishful thinking.



Agreed with everything in that post. One downside to the GAA is that there is never anyone to answer the hard calls r.e suspensions. The whole thing takes far too long to sort out. I had a fella sent off playing for me two years ago and I tried to find out if it ruled him out of a colleges game the next week. I still have yet to hear official conformation.
How'd he do in the college game??
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: the green man on June 02, 2008, 10:37:51 PM
How'd he do in the college game??

Never played. Dungannon rung Maghera about 10 mins after the game and said that he was suspended. Maghera wouldn't risk it to play him. The intriguing thing was I talk to the ref after the game and he said his ban only counted for the tournament he played in (N.I youth games). 5 mins after that the opposition manager came to me and said he couldn't play for Maghera the following week. Never found out who he knew he played for the college?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Zapatista on June 03, 2008, 08:32:45 AM
Whats all this talk on the Sunday Game about McFadden and Bradley being Donegal and Derrys main Strikers? Is that a new position in the game? I though Brollys reply to O'Rourkes comparison with Chelsea and the penatly was briliant :D O'Rourke was embarrased.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Minder on June 03, 2008, 08:35:56 AM
Whats all this talk on the Sunday Game about McFadden and Bradley being Donegal and Derrys main Strikers? Is that a new position in the game? I though Brollys reply to O'Rourkes comparison with Chelsea and the penatly was briliant :D O'Rourke was embarrased.

What did they say, i hate to see soccer analogies/comparisons in GAA.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Zapatista on June 03, 2008, 09:06:05 AM
Whats all this talk on the Sunday Game about McFadden and Bradley being Donegal and Derrys main Strikers? Is that a new position in the game? I though Brollys reply to O'Rourkes comparison with Chelsea and the penatly was briliant :D O'Rourke was embarrased.

What did they say, i hate to see soccer analogies/comparisons in GAA.

I don't remember the exact words but he made some referance to Chealsea and Donegal whan talking about the penalty. HE looked at Brolly and Brolly said - I don't know why you're looking at me, I don't know what your're talking about - O'Rourke tried to laugh it off but it was clearly an nervous laugh and brolly just shaked his head :D
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Hardy on June 03, 2008, 09:24:18 AM
I seriously think it's time the GAA took RTÉ to task on their slanted negative reporting on the games. They’re in a competitive market now and if they wish to seize every opportunity to present the games in a bad light, they should understand that there will be consequences.

I'm not suggesting Sky-type hype, but we're at the other extreme at his stage, on the Sunday night programme at any rate, where the concentration on scelps and rows and the like is offensive. As I said elsewhere, they gave about 25 minutes to Donegal-Derry on Sunday. Of this, about 15 minutes were action, and ten discussion, or as they laughingly call it "analysis". Of this ten minutes, I'd say about three were spent talking about one fairly innocuous clout. That's 30% of the discussion devoted to one pretty minor negative event that constituted less than 1% of the game.

Contrast that with the coverage of, say the sending off in the European Soccer final in Moscow. As I understand it, that had a crucial effect on the outcome of the game, but I'm sure those who paid more attention to it than I did will verify that it didn't take up 30% of the studio discussion in RTÉ - even from a crew who apparently pride themselves on pointing out the warts on the face of their particular game.

More tellingly, contrast it with the coverage of the Ireland-Barbarians rugby game last week, which featured a series of incidents that were genuine thuggery - assaults with intent and violence that would get you a jail term in the real world. I don't recall them even being mentioned in the studio discussion, even though, like the scelp on the Sunday game, they seemed to escape the notice of the referee and the Sunday Game crew will no doubt give that as their reason for highlighting the GAA incident. Where were the slow motion replays of one player repeatedly pounding another’s face with his fist while he was pinned the ground?

The televising of big matches is probably the most important weapon in the GAA's PR and games promotion armoury. Maybe we’ll see a more active approach from the new PRO, when Danny Lynch goes out to pasture, but I think it’s a disgrace that Lynch and everybody else whose job is promote the image of the games allows RTÉ to get away with this routine, week after week from the outraged, sanctimonious, unctuous ould wans in the studio, masquerading as analysts and dancing to the looney tunes of that clown in the presenter's chair.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Doire abú on June 03, 2008, 09:26:30 AM
How'd he do in the college game??

Never played. Dungannon rung Maghera about 10 mins after the game and said that he was suspended. Maghera wouldn't risk it to play him. The intriguing thing was I talk to the ref after the game and he said his ban only counted for the tournament he played in (N.I youth games). 5 mins after that the opposition manager came to me and said he couldn't play for Maghera the following week. Never found out who he knew he played for the college?

What's NI youth games green man? Ulster Colleges do you mean|
?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: the green man on June 03, 2008, 09:35:34 AM

What's NI youth games green man? Ulster Colleges do you mean|
?

The Youth Games was something that the Sports Council used to run up to a few years ago. Run in a blitz style at The Dub.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Main Street on June 03, 2008, 09:52:45 AM
As I said elsewhere, they gave about 25 minutes to Donegal-Derry on Sunday. Of this, about 15 minutes were action, and ten discussion, or as they laughingly call it "analysis". Of this ten minutes, I'd say about three were spent talking about one fairly innocuous clout. That's 30% of the discussion devoted to one pretty minor negative event that constituted less than 1% of the game.
It's much worse than that.
RTE had about 9 minutes game time and 14 mins analysis.

Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: armaghniac on June 03, 2008, 04:43:32 PM
As a contrary view ,the entire games are shown on Setanta during the week and are on the RTE website, so people can see the incidents that interest them, other than on the Sunday game. RTE presumably believe that the broader TV audience want the analysis.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: AZOffaly on June 03, 2008, 04:44:47 PM
Aye, if you have Setanta or the Internet. Quite a lot of people don't have Setanta, and as many again have either dial up or no internet access, especially the traditional RTE demographic.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: magpie seanie on June 03, 2008, 05:27:30 PM
Tried using the RTE website but it won't work for me. Have broadband and downloaded the real player as it told me to. What am I doing wrong?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: AZOffaly on June 03, 2008, 05:31:35 PM
What error are you getting Seanie? Did you try connecting or playing any other stream via your Real Player?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: magpie seanie on June 04, 2008, 10:45:42 PM
After it plays the stupid Vodafone intro it just says "connecting" and nowt happens. My Real Player mustn't be loaded correctly?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Billys Boots on June 04, 2008, 10:51:04 PM
I had that problem Seanie, until I removed realplayer completely from the computer and downloaded/setup it directly from the RTE website, it's fine now.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: johnpower on June 08, 2008, 10:33:15 PM
Davey Fitz seems a good addition to the team . Dealt with the question about the Waterford Job well
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: INDIANA on June 08, 2008, 11:11:38 PM
pity they wouldn't give davis us p45 an elbow to the head now is a yellow card this week, but a red card last week. time he was told to pursue other ventures.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Main Street on June 09, 2008, 12:38:27 PM
Elbow to the head? what incident was that?
Is that another careless inaccurate description?

I heard him talk about the Down player inflicting a (retaliatory) facial blow with the outstretched fist or hand.
I don't know what Davis said last week.

 

Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: highorlow on June 09, 2008, 12:50:13 PM
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pity they wouldn't give davis us p45 an elbow to the head now is a yellow card this week, but a red card last week. time he was told to pursue other ventures.             

I think he is a garda by trade. Sometimes this is reflected in his analysis and he seems to forget that its sport he is analysing and not a Friday night shamozelle on Patrick's street.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Louth Exile on June 15, 2008, 11:06:19 PM
I have thought that the Sunday game was pretty good this year, but tonights programme is a disgrace.

Supposed highlights of the Cavan v Armagh game neglected to show two goal chances, a penalty claim and Hearty pulling one out from over the bar.

Down v Tyrone highlights failed to get across the momentum in the second half, where Down drove ahead before Tommy Mc Guigan hauled them back into it. Poor editing. And then in his wonderfull analysis Tommy Lyons said that Down only won the game because they got a goal.... WTF, were Down not the better team on the night?

Galway v Leitrim, how could they not be sure about the penalty claim for Leitrim before half time? That was a stone wall, nailed on penalty and they didn't have the guts to call it
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on June 15, 2008, 11:09:02 PM
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I have thought that the Sunday game was pretty good this year, but tonights programme is a disgrace.

Supposed highlights of the Cavan v Armagh game neglected to show two goal chances, a penalty claim and Hearty pulling one out from over the bar.

Was very disappointed with the length of highlights. Couldn't have been much more than 5 minutes. Also Tommy Lyons didn't seem to realise that Charlie Vernon and Aaron Kernan switched positions from the throw in.

Thought the whole thing was very rushed. Suppose they have 5 games to fit into an hour but woulda liked to have seen more action.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: midLouth on June 15, 2008, 11:26:01 PM

Galway v Leitrim, how could they not be sure about the penalty claim for Leitrim before half time? That was a stone wall, nailed on penalty and they didn't have the guts to call it

Thought the same, Galway defender pushed the Leitrim player over. If it had of been the Gooch or Paddy Bradley then there would have been war.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: AhFeckRef on June 15, 2008, 11:44:06 PM

Jesus Christ, the patronising attitude towards Leitrim was terrible.  Sure weren't we great to turn up on the day and give a "spirited" display. 

Also why could they not come down of the fence on Galvin! No mater what the CCC are going to do I believe that the Sunday Game should not have condoned this behaviour.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: mhacadoir on June 15, 2008, 11:48:15 PM
they looked scared to say anything on the Galvin matter. tommy lyons stumbled and mumbled bout it not being clever but he "is a sound lad", where as tohill sat firmly on the fence, sayin nothing.

i was looking forward to seeing the highlights from newry last nite but they were put together very badly, showed nothing of the pattern of the game.

Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Zulu on June 15, 2008, 11:59:31 PM
And what is all this 'due process' rubbish, of course all players are entitled to go through whatever disciplinary system is in vogue at the moment but can SG analysts not give an opinion on the issues that a game throws up? Nobody wants analysts to be controversial for the sake of it but it is just as annoying when they sit on the fence about tough issues.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: INDIANA on June 16, 2008, 12:04:51 AM
but when they highlight incidents up north they get hammered for it so you can't blame them at times.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Zulu on June 16, 2008, 12:21:34 AM
On this forum maybe Indiana but sure that should be the least of their worries! I rarely watch a soccer or rugby game in full but I often switch over to watch the analysis of the games as they are often entertaining and they rarely pull punches. The SG in contrast is banal and boring with little or no insightful analysis of the issues. I've said this before but ex-players are often friends of current players and as such are often unsble to give unbiased, hard hitting views on the games. The SG is now falling between two stools, it is neither offering extensive highlights nor in depth analysis but only micky mouse versions of both.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ross matt on June 16, 2008, 09:53:24 AM
On the contrary I thought Tommy Lyons spoke very openly and clearly on the Galvin matter. Tohill completely sat on the fence. Dara .... well I think there was a closing of the ranks there.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Two Hands FFS on June 16, 2008, 10:03:51 AM
Two token minutes from the Antrim v Down hurling. OK it might not be top quality but it's a provincial final. I bet the other 7 seven provincial finals played this summer will get live coverage & lenghty highlights. But I wasnt suprised. A joke as usual

Too much analysis after the cavan - Armagh match...everyone wanted to see coverage of the Tyrone - Down from saturday night
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: magpie seanie on June 17, 2008, 03:08:30 PM
Lads and lassies - a bit off topic (sorry thread police) but whats the tune that played over the Etihad advert just at the end of the ad breaks on the live programme on Sunday? I saw the video recently but didn't catch the name and its hilarious. Basically its a bar in Wales on St Davids Day in 1989 and some guy just lands in and starts these crazy dance moves much to the consternation of all around (including a guy in a fetching vest who spits his pint of bitter across the room!).
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on June 17, 2008, 03:24:47 PM
Just for you Seanie.

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=oMLCrzy9TEs (http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=oMLCrzy9TEs)
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Dinny Breen on June 17, 2008, 03:25:44 PM
Seanie, don't know the add but sounds like Utah Saints - Something Good


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=oMLCrzy9TEs (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=oMLCrzy9TEs)
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Dinny Breen on June 17, 2008, 03:26:23 PM
Quick off the mark there Jinxy  :o
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: magpie seanie on June 17, 2008, 03:42:52 PM
Thanks guys. Can't view youtube here but will have a look when I go home and prove to my wife it wasn't something I made up!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Hardy on June 17, 2008, 03:48:12 PM
I hope I misheard this, but in a noisy pub in Dublin on Sunday night I thought I heard Tommy Lyons saying something about Armagh scoring "on the second phase". Please tell me I'm wrong.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Uladh on June 17, 2008, 03:51:17 PM

Twas hard to pick that phrase out between all of the business and Grid iron speak the man rehershes and the high pitched "yeknow pat"s.

i love the way he has to refer to his notes to read out the name of thse who "he" thinks has played well. nice touch that.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: hardstation on June 17, 2008, 04:15:54 PM

Twas hard to pick that phrase out between all of the business and Grid iron speak the man rehershes and the high pitched "yeknow pat"s.
At one stage, it was - "Ye know, Michael.....Ah, sorry, you're not as good looking as Michael."
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: laoisgaa on June 17, 2008, 04:46:34 PM
Dublin/Wexford replay won’t be live on TV
By Cóilín Duffy

Next Sunday’s Leinster Senior Hurling Championship semi-final replay between Dublin and Wexford has not been granted live TV coverage it has emerged.

Despite RTÉ showing clashing games on two occasions live last year, the new agreement doesn’t allow this according to the Leinster Council.

“The new TV negotiations this year ensured there wouldn’t be a clash of live TV games,” a Leinster Council Spokesman said today.

“With the entry of TV3 into the market, none of the rights holders are allowed to broadcast games which would clash with other live GAA transmissions.”

However there may be a snag in the agreement, for instance if TV3 don’t have the rights to cover a live game – such as in the case of last Sunday where RTÉ broadcast
the Connacht SFC semi-final between Galway and Leitrim, and the Leinster SHC semi-final involving Kilkenny and Offaly live.

If a replay had been fixed for last Sunday to clash with those fixtures, there may have been a possibility that it could have been broadcast on RTÉ 1 as the clashing games would have been on two channels of the same broadcaster.

Ulster football fans were angered already this year when the BBC was not allowed show the initial Tyrone/Down Ulster SFC quarter-final live.

RTÉ2 were showing the Cork/Tipperary Munster SHC tie the same day, while TV3 had exclusive live rights to the Dublin/Louth Leinster SFC quarter-final.

In a statement on the BBC website, The Championship presenter Austin O’Callaghan explained that the BBC would have loved to have broadcast the game live, but that contractual reasons denied them from showing, what turned out to be the first drawn game of the Summer.

“The BBC is very keen to show the game live but the television contract simply does not allow us to do so,” O’Callaghan said.

“The GAA's Primary TV rights holders for the football and hurling championships are RTE and TV3. The BBC is a secondary rights holder.

“This means we can show the same game live in the Ulster Championship simultaneously with RTE - or in the case of the Ulster final, with TV3.

“But we cannot go "head-to-head" with either broadcaster when they're broadcasting a different, non-Ulster Championship game at the same time.”
However to further complicate matters, the BBC have already shown live on two occasions this year, games which have clashed with other Live GAA TV transmissions.

Last Sunday’s Armagh and Cavan Ulster SFC quarter-final was broadcast live on BBC2, up against the latter stages of Offaly/Kilkenny in the Leinster SHC and the majority of the Galway/Leitrim Connacht SFC semi-final.

The Beeb had previously clashed with RTÉ when they showed Antrim/Cavan live in the Ulster SFC, on the same day the Southern broadcaster showed the Wicklow/Kildare and Galway/Roscommon football games.

But the BBC and RTÉ are allowed show games head-to-head, with a special dispensation given to fledgling station TV3, when they are showing live games.

As a new broadcaster entering the market TV3 have been given a leg up by the GAA, who have ensured that games broadcast by RTÉ and the BBC don’t clash with the commercial station.

Whatever game TV3 are showing live regardless of province or code, neither of the state broadcasters can go up against them. This is to ensure that TV3 can establish itself as a new channel for watching Gaelic Games, and this practice is not uncommon among broadcasting contracts for various sports across the world.

It is understood though that GAA fans will be able to keep their hurling appetites at bay through the internet via the RTE.ie GAA Championships Media Player, which is expected to stream the Dublin/Wexford replay live. However this has yet to be confirmed.

RTÉ has already earned the wrath of GAA supporters this year, by failing to broadcast the Offaly/Westmeath Leinster SFC quarter-final live, and instead showing a Euro 2008 group game.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: magpie seanie on June 17, 2008, 04:53:16 PM
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At one stage, it was - "Ye know, Michael.....Ah, sorry, you're not as good looking as Michael."


Yeah, that was really cringeworthy stuff alright. He's an awful dose.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on June 17, 2008, 05:20:25 PM

Twas hard to pick that phrase out between all of the business and Grid iron speak the man rehershes and the high pitched "yeknow pat"s.
At one stage, it was - "Ye know, Michael.....Ah, sorry, you're not as good looking as Michael."

Pat was fairly quick off the mark with a corrective "Pat" when he called him Michael and as for that "you're not as good looking as Michael" wtf  :o Has the SG gone all bleeding metrosexual on us???

I hope I misheard this, but in a noisy pub in Dublin on Sunday night I thought I heard Tommy Lyons saying something about Armagh scoring "on the second phase". Please tell me I'm wrong.

Definitely remember him mumbling about "turn overs" alright, not so sure about "second phases", he's an awful plank.

Got a good laugh from Joanne making eyes at Dara O'Cinnede, yous don't stand a chance lads...  :D
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on June 17, 2008, 05:49:45 PM
The younger lads in general like O'Cinneide, Goggins, Connell (TV3) seem to be far more articulate and interesting to listen to. The likes of Davis, Lyons etc. just parrot cliches and I'm sick of listening to them at this stage. McStay is a pain in the arse but at least he makes the odd interesting point. As for big Anthony, as Superintendent Chalmers said about Principal Skinner, "The rod up that man's butt, must have a rod up it's butt!"
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Louth Exile on June 17, 2008, 11:52:59 PM
i love the way he has to refer to his notes to read out the name of thse who "he" thinks has played well. nice touch that.

I noticed that alright myself, Lyons isn't worst for that though, the award for that goes to Davis
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Louth Exile on June 22, 2008, 10:25:50 PM
Delayed because a game where they can't even score once in 120 minutes  ::)
I can rarely see the attraction of soccer these days, was an exciting shoot out though.
Just to pick one game, Wexford/Laois game had 30 scores in 70 minutes.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Tankie on June 22, 2008, 10:28:02 PM
Please stop bitching, i'd say that match got higher viewer numbers than the sunday game will get!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Louth Exile on June 22, 2008, 10:45:02 PM
Please stop bitching, i'd say that match got higher viewer numbers than the sunday game will get!

Does that mean the quality of the sport was better?? Probably does in your world  :D
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 22, 2008, 10:51:43 PM
Did Spillane look uncomfortable or what, after that Aprés Match skit!  ;D
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Louth Exile on June 22, 2008, 10:55:58 PM
Did Spillane look uncomfortable or what, after that Aprés Match skit!  ;D

It was very funny and seemed to capture the essence of the man  :D
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Owenmoresider on June 22, 2008, 10:56:41 PM
Seemed to be alright. God Jim Carney gets on my nerves.

I'll probably switch it off for a few mins after this. McStay's smug face after that could result in a TV being put beyond repair.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: johnpower on June 22, 2008, 11:07:28 PM
Did Spillane look uncomfortable or what, after that Aprés Match skit!  ;D

Great sketch .dont worry it will only spur him on
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Maguire01 on June 22, 2008, 11:19:30 PM
Please stop bitching, i'd say that match got higher viewer numbers than the sunday game will get!
Most likely, given the time The Sunday Game is pushed back to!
But alas, The Sunday Game didn't come on, at least not for those in the North needing VirginMedia to get RTÉ, as they never unblocked the reception following the soccer coverage.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Bogball XV on June 22, 2008, 11:25:01 PM
Delayed because a game where they can't even score once in 120 minutes  ::)
I can rarely see the attraction of soccer these days, was an exciting shoot out though.
Just to pick one game, Wexford/Laois game had 30 scores in 70 minutes.
you should have watched more of the euro championships then, they've been excellent, whilst tonight's game wasn't the best, in general they've been a refreshing level above that shite that sky tell us is the best in the world - the premiership!!!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Louth Exile on June 22, 2008, 11:30:49 PM
I'll probably switch it off for a few mins after this. McStay's smug face after that could result in a TV being put beyond repair.

I can feel your pain, he didn't hold back with the boot, Bernie "bollixy hole" Flynn does the same with us!

At least he had the good manners to admit that it wasn't a penalty
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Tankie on June 22, 2008, 11:41:18 PM
Please stop bitching, i'd say that match got higher viewer numbers than the sunday game will get!

Does that mean the quality of the sport was better?? Probably does in your world  :D

god man open your eyes to the outside world!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: hardstation on June 22, 2008, 11:44:11 PM
 8) :o
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Louth Exile on June 22, 2008, 11:46:56 PM
Please stop bitching, i'd say that match got higher viewer numbers than the sunday game will get!

Does that mean the quality of the sport was better?? Probably does in your world  :D

god man open your eyes to the outside world!

Very intelligent response, I will reiterate the question, Does higher viewer numbers mean that the quality of the sport is better?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ONeill on June 22, 2008, 11:50:03 PM
Thon dark-haired blade had the hots for Tohill. The electricity was palpable.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Maguire01 on June 22, 2008, 11:51:29 PM
Very intelligent response, I will reiterate the question, Does higher viewer numbers mean that the quality of the sport is better?
Of course it does! Just take music as another example - Westlife have a record breaking number of #1 singles, therefore the quality must be better than that of other music.  :P
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: hardstation on June 22, 2008, 11:55:09 PM
Perhaps it means that more people think that soccer is better than football/hurling.

As for Joanne. She was at the same with Declan Ruth. She's certainly not picky.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ONeill on June 22, 2008, 11:56:52 PM
You have to admit though, Tohill looked well in his L'oreal blusher and Primark maroon shirt.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: hardstation on June 22, 2008, 11:58:18 PM
His sideburns will win her yet...
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Maguire01 on June 23, 2008, 12:05:19 AM
You have to admit though, Tohill looked well in his L'oreal blusher and Primark maroon shirt.
Quite possibly painstakingly sewn together by some poor child in India.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/7461496.stm
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Tankie on June 23, 2008, 12:12:36 AM
Please stop bitching, i'd say that match got higher viewer numbers than the sunday game will get!

Does that mean the quality of the sport was better?? Probably does in your world  :D

god man open your eyes to the outside world!

Very intelligent response, I will reiterate the question, Does higher viewer numbers mean that the quality of the sport is better?


How and Who decides which sport is of better quality? You must except that people like soccer, you and I may not but there is a huge proportion of the population that does like the game.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: 5 Sams on June 23, 2008, 12:38:24 AM
Anybody else notice that Pat "de bollix" introuduced the highlights of Sat night's Ulster semi final as a game between Derry and "Armagh" :(
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: hardstation on June 23, 2008, 12:41:10 AM
Yip.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ONeill on June 23, 2008, 12:46:22 AM
Yip
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Zapatista on June 23, 2008, 08:25:02 AM
Anybody else notice that Pat "de bollix" introuduced the highlights of Sat night's Ulster semi final as a game between Derry and "Armagh" :(

At the opening credits he also said Wexford are looking for their first final in half a decade. I could barely watch that crap last night. The way they keep switching to the birds eye view of 3 blokes on a couch didn't make any sense. The pass over from Pat to yer wan in a different room in the studio to get Tohills view didn't make any sense. He was sitting about 10 yards away and they had to shout across the room at each other. The freeze frame power point analyzes looked stupid and was more about the presentation than the game. Then the pass back to Pat to find Tohill on the couch with him. Then again jumping to and from the birds eye view. Stomach churning stuff. And again they spend as much time talking about referees as they do action.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Yes I Would on June 23, 2008, 09:54:22 AM
Embarassing stuff altogether.
That Spillane man is just too much of a redkneck to be anywhere near presenting.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on June 23, 2008, 10:25:52 AM
Pat is gonna have to write his name down on a postit note and stick it to his head or else Tommy "Gain Line" Lyons is gonna be calling him Michael for the rest of the summer...
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: orangeman on June 23, 2008, 10:46:30 AM
Is he deliberately calling him Michael ?

He was talking about some player last night and he said "that''s what is really good about a really good player !" FFS
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Zapatista on June 23, 2008, 11:12:04 AM
Embarassing stuff altogether.
That Spillane man is just too much of a redkneck to be anywhere near presenting.


Puke TV
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on June 30, 2008, 11:50:57 AM
I thought Brolly going on about Peter McDonnells post-match comment about the donkey was priceless. ;D
Lyster looked a bit worried for a second!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: thejuice on June 30, 2008, 12:01:13 PM
After watching over the weeknd, I believe TV3 do a better job than RTE. Better presenters,  analysists and no Spillanes. Didnt see the Sunday game though, not on "The Island"
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: whiskeysteve on June 30, 2008, 12:16:18 PM
turned it over last night. terrible. spillane opened with a predictibly tiresome dig at ulster football. They focused on the action for a while then once again put a referee's decision over a 2nd yellow under the microscope. This was the point at which I turned over cause im sick off pat digging and stirring thin air. As a neutral I could not give a shit about Tony Davis' or whoevers opinion on a minor yellow card incident. This type of stuff has bogged The Sunday Game down. Seeing the likes of Clarke was of much more interest. More focus on FOOTBALL please
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Louth Exile on June 30, 2008, 12:17:56 PM
Some of the "highlights" from last nights show were:

Little Bernie doing the fancy analysis piece and making a complete and utter bags of it. I can see why he did not go into management after the football career ended!

Davis going off on one about Henry coming forward and scoring a point for the Dubs and Tohill completely over ruling him by saying that if the Dubs backs hadn't have come forward during the game they would have lost. Tohill made the far more convincing argument (as usual)

Then after the Armagh Down game they were discussing the sending off, Tohill said that in fairness it probably was a second yellow and then Davis, as if just to have a shot back at Tohill completely disagreed with him. He sounded like a fool.

Tohill was right on both fronts (IMO) and that Davis is a clown and really should be dropped, along with wee Bernie.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ziggysego on June 30, 2008, 12:24:09 PM
I thought Brolly going on about Peter McDonnells post-match comment about the donkey was priceless. ;D

Had my Dad and I in stitches. Swear to God, it's the only reason I tune into The Sunday Game, to hear what Brolly comes out with next  :D
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Maguire01 on June 30, 2008, 01:46:38 PM
What was the comment?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on June 30, 2008, 01:57:24 PM
From what I gathered, McDonnell used a saying along the lines of (and this may not be 100% correct) "Riding the donkey too close to the tail." This was a new one for Joe and he was speculating as to how the saying came about. He reckoned it must have originated in South Armagh but Lyster intervened to cut to an ad break before things got out of hand!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Feckitt on June 30, 2008, 02:26:38 PM
What?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on June 30, 2008, 03:12:46 PM
Exactly.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ziggysego on June 30, 2008, 03:24:43 PM
From what I gathered, McDonnell used a saying along the lines of (and this may not be 100% correct) "Riding the donkey too close to the tail." This was a new one for Joe and he was speculating as to how the saying came about. He reckoned it must have originated in South Armagh but Lyster intervened to cut to an ad break before things got out of hand!

Close, Brolly said he never heard of that before and wondered what McDonnell was on about. Then he said that "I supposed it's South Armagh and we all know what they get up to down there" to which Lyster cut to an ad break before Brolly expanded on that ;)
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: gerry on July 02, 2008, 08:39:57 PM
nobnation clip

http://www.rte.ie/podcasts/2008/pc/pod-v-160608-4m14s-nobnation.mp3 (http://www.rte.ie/podcasts/2008/pc/pod-v-160608-4m14s-nobnation.mp3)
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: screenexile on July 02, 2008, 08:53:03 PM
Jess that's class! How come I've never heard of that before. "Oh Joanne I can see you in a big white Derry jersey, only a Derry Jersey!!"

That's be sweet  ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ziggysego on July 02, 2008, 09:42:25 PM
"This year's Championship has been mildly distracted by the goings on of the sissy, pansy Protestant game of soccer currently going on in Europe"  :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Sandy Hill on July 02, 2008, 09:46:17 PM
Some of the "highlights" from last nights show were:

Little Bernie doing the fancy analysis piece and making a complete and utter bags of it. I can see why he did not go into management after the football career ended!

Davis going off on one about Henry coming forward and scoring a point for the Dubs and Tohill completely over ruling him by saying that if the Dubs backs hadn't have come forward during the game they would have lost. Tohill made the far more convincing argument (as usual)

Then after the Armagh Down game they were discussing the sending off, Tohill said that in fairness it probably was a second yellow and then Davis, as if just to have a shot back at Tohill completely disagreed with him. He sounded like a fool.

Tohill was right on both fronts (IMO) and that Davis is a clown and really should be dropped, along with wee Bernie.
What exactly was Flynn trying to tell us? The caption on the screen implied that he was highlighting examples of slick hand-passing but he kept pointing out how so many of the players were taking the wrong options! I'm not sure if Joanne Cantwell adds anything to the programme.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Louth Exile on July 02, 2008, 09:55:26 PM
Some of the "highlights" from last nights show were:

Little Bernie doing the fancy analysis piece and making a complete and utter bags of it. I can see why he did not go into management after the football career ended!

Davis going off on one about Henry coming forward and scoring a point for the Dubs and Tohill completely over ruling him by saying that if the Dubs backs hadn't have come forward during the game they would have lost. Tohill made the far more convincing argument (as usual)

Then after the Armagh Down game they were discussing the sending off, Tohill said that in fairness it probably was a second yellow and then Davis, as if just to have a shot back at Tohill completely disagreed with him. He sounded like a fool.

Tohill was right on both fronts (IMO) and that Davis is a clown and really should be dropped, along with wee Bernie.
What exactly was Flynn trying to tell us? The caption on the screen implied that he was highlighting examples of slick hand-passing but he kept pointing out how so many of the players were taking the wrong options! I'm not sure if Joanne Cantwell adds anything to the programme.

Going by the nob nation clip, I don't think that big Anthony agrees with you  :D
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: wherefromreferee? on July 06, 2008, 07:07:39 PM
No doubt on tonights show, after the highlights of the Munster Final, the show will once again view the 3 red cards decisions from every angle and in slow motion.  While another thread has already been started on this non-contact issue, I wonder what the experts will say tonight.  Nicholas Murphy will be clumsy, but probably deserved the 2 yellows cards.  Mark O'Se's looked bad in slow motion, but wasn't even a yellow IMO.  I didn't see what Dara got the first yellow for, but the second was pathetic.  Another game ruined by an over fussy referee.  We'll wait and see what big Tohill has to say.  Dara O Cinneide might be on the panel so it should hopefully be an interesting show.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Maguire01 on July 06, 2008, 07:19:10 PM
I wouldn't mind them analysing Kerry's point that may not have been early in the first half. Not that it made any difference in the end.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: wherefromreferee? on July 06, 2008, 07:22:16 PM
Was that the free from Gooch??  Looked wide.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Tatler Jack on July 06, 2008, 07:40:26 PM
Maybe Spillane will suggest that Donaghy is a poor man's Michael Cussen :D
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on July 06, 2008, 07:43:16 PM
No doubt on tonights show, after the highlights of the Munster Final, the show will once again view the 3 red cards decisions from every angle and in slow motion.  While another thread has already been started on this non-contact issue, I wonder what the experts will say tonight.  Nicholas Murphy will be clumsy, but probably deserved the 2 yellows cards.  Mark O'Se's looked bad in slow motion, but wasn't even a yellow IMO.  I didn't see what Dara got the first yellow for, but the second was pathetic.  Another game ruined by an over fussy referee.  We'll wait and see what big Tohill has to say.  Dara O Cinneide might be on the panel so it should hopefully be an interesting show.

The ref might not have been great but I and Im sure many other neutrals really enjoyed the second half, particularly the performance of Cussen. This was a real upset and helps open up the championship.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: wherefromreferee? on July 06, 2008, 08:14:21 PM
I meant to put a question mark after that statement.  It was meant to read, another game ruined by an over fussy referee??  I thought the game was great, but the referee will be the centre of the chat on the programme tonight.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Maguire01 on July 06, 2008, 09:36:54 PM
Was that the free from Gooch??  Looked wide.
That's the one.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: johnpower on July 06, 2008, 11:24:14 PM
Was that the free from Gooch??  Looked wide.
That's the one.

Looked well wide to me a the game the umpires were asleep anyway made no differecne today but maybe further down the road these guys could cost some team
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: full back on August 17, 2008, 10:09:49 PM
Eoin Kelly collecting the MOTM award wearing a Sesame Street t-shirt (or something like that)  :D :D
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: hardstation on August 17, 2008, 10:38:29 PM
Why does Lyons keep saying 'today' when talking about the Tyrone - Dublin match? Hmmm.....
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ludermor on August 17, 2008, 10:41:27 PM
And why does he say we and us when talking about dublin!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: orangeman on August 17, 2008, 10:42:43 PM
Why does Lyons keep saying 'today' when talking about the Tyrone - Dublin match? Hmmm.....

He's drunk or else he;s doting !!!!

I always thought he didn't know what he was talking about - but it's just that he's doting I  think !  ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Rossfan on August 17, 2008, 10:43:21 PM
And why do they keep on discussing Dublin and barely any mention of Tyrone  :o
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Gaffer on August 17, 2008, 10:47:50 PM
Do ye reckon that that bit on the football was recorded after the match yesterday which would explain Lyons 'today' ?

Discussion was all about Dublin and nothing about Tyrone and their chances of All Ireland success. Perhaps Spillane doesnt want to thik about it!!!!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: hardstation on August 17, 2008, 10:50:12 PM
Do ye reckon that that bit on the football was recorded after the match yesterday which would explain Lyons 'today' ?
That's what I'm thinking. He was corrected on it, then they started laughing for no reason.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Muzz on August 17, 2008, 10:53:13 PM
Did he not say though - 24 hours later a few times.  I know he could just have been saying this but I just think that with the highlights shown there and then he kept getting mixed up.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Minder on August 17, 2008, 10:53:35 PM
In fairness Mc Stay did say it was a bad weekend for te pundits predicting the hurling & football this weekend.  He was maybe just half cut
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: highorlow on August 17, 2008, 10:53:45 PM
Lyon's   "a new dublin manager will have to shake up the tree"
MacStay "shake up the tree? he will have to blow the bloody tree up"..... a classic :D
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ONeill on August 17, 2008, 10:53:59 PM
Maybe, just maybe, they recorded it on the Friday....mmmm...
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Gaffer on August 17, 2008, 10:54:13 PM
I am going to rewind my sky + and study Spillane's appearance during the hurling discussion and then the football discussion and see can I 'spot the difference'.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Gaffer on August 17, 2008, 11:09:21 PM
No. Def all recorded today. At the end of the progarmme Spillane talked about the results of huring and football with Lyons / McStay in the studio.

Lyons just doesn t know what day it is !!!!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: orangeman on August 17, 2008, 11:11:19 PM
No. Def all recorded today. At the end of the progarmme Spillane talked about the results of huring and football with Lyons / McStay in the studio.

Lyons just doesn t know what day it is !!!!


He even came out with the famous "arseboxing" one tonight !!!! What the f--k is arseboxing ???????  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ziggysego on August 17, 2008, 11:36:58 PM
Did Lyons say he wouldn't mind a wee cuddle from Pillar's wife?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ONeill on August 17, 2008, 11:49:28 PM
I wouldn't mind getting a cuddle at Lyons myself. Cuddly looking man.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Zapatista on August 18, 2008, 08:11:29 AM
On the final part of the hurling analyse Pat said "we have received some texts from viewers asking us to look at two incidents" the two incidents were the shoulder to the head and the hurl smashed on the leg. Does anyone really believe viewers texted in requesting this? I don't believe it for a minute. This was there excuse to give it a lot of air time and leave it to the end of the hurling discussion going into a break.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Barney on August 18, 2008, 08:39:28 AM
Barely any mention of Tyrone at all.

And the long sad montage about the Dubs exit brought a tear to even the biggest man  :-\ Rdiculous
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: sam03/05 on August 18, 2008, 08:46:18 AM
the tribute to Ronnie Drew was piss poor as well - lasted about 20 seconds
they should have played Dublin in the rare ould times and showed some footage of dubs teams down the years
this would have been a better tribute to the man.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Zapatista on August 18, 2008, 08:55:11 AM
the tribute to Ronnie Drew was piss poor as well - lasted about 20 seconds
they should have played Dublin in the rare ould times and showed some footage of dubs teams down the years
this would have been a better tribute to the man.

I don't think so. Ronnie Drew's death has nothing to do with the GAA. It probably shouldn't have been included at all.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ExiledGael on May 16, 2011, 12:43:42 PM
Didn't know where to ask this so digged this thread up.
Is there a way to watch the Sunday Game online in Northern Ireland. It says Ireland only and not accessible in your area.
Can this be bypassed or linked somehow to view it outside Ireland?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: armaghniac on May 16, 2011, 01:02:10 PM
It will work fine as long as your ISP records that you are in NI as distinct from Britain where Setanta has the rights. Take it up with your ISP.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ExiledGael on May 16, 2011, 04:36:52 PM
It will work fine as long as your ISP records that you are in NI as distinct from Britain where Setanta has the rights. Take it up with your ISP.

Did just that (with BT) and they said I cannot view Ireland only content unless I have a business account. ISP already registered to NI.
Does the Sunday Game appear on RTE player later in the week?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Go home ref on June 12, 2011, 10:37:31 PM
It has to be said that Martin Carneys twisted baby finger is creeping me out big time!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: muppet on June 12, 2011, 10:51:10 PM
It has to be said that Martin Carneys twisted baby finger is creeping me out big time!

Take it out of your mouth.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Minder on June 12, 2011, 10:54:38 PM
Is Anthony Tohill not involved with RTE anymore?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: screenexile on June 12, 2011, 11:05:01 PM
It has to be said that Martin Carneys twisted baby finger is creeping me out big time!

I'm watching it a bit later here and its totally creeping me out as well!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on June 12, 2011, 11:11:23 PM
It has to be said that Martin Carneys twisted baby finger is creeping me out big time!

Very much so.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Gold on June 13, 2011, 12:25:50 AM
It has to be said that Martin Carneys twisted baby finger is creeping me out big time!

I'm watching it a bit later here and its totally creeping me out as well!

My god he was mocking us by continually holding it in front of the camera for badness! Put me off my food!
I paused and re-wound the tv to be sure i wasnt seeing things. It's properly fucked up!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on June 13, 2011, 12:28:15 AM
He must have got it caught in a pto shaft or something.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ross matt on June 13, 2011, 12:30:29 AM
It has to be said that Martin Carneys twisted baby finger is creeping me out big time!

I'm watching it a bit later here and its totally creeping me out as well!

My god he was mocking us by continually holding it in front of the camera for badness! Put me off my food!
I paused and re-wound the tv to be sure i wasnt seeing things. It's properly fucked up!

Thank God! Thought it was just me!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Dinny Breen on July 24, 2011, 11:23:37 PM
Jesus that was painful to watch, awful debate between Brolly and Davis. Manage to insult Limerick, Down and all the other remaining quarter-finalists in 5 minutes of subjective analysis..
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ziggysego on July 24, 2011, 11:28:32 PM
‎"The GAA's equivalent of the territorial army."  Joe Brolly on Down's defence.  :D
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: borderfox on July 24, 2011, 11:32:51 PM
‎"The GAA's equivalent of the territorial army."  Joe Brolly on Down's defence.  :D
lol
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ross4life on July 24, 2011, 11:38:22 PM
What did Brolly write about Cork? it didn't go down so well with Tony Davis.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ziggysego on July 24, 2011, 11:40:44 PM
What did Brolly write about Cork? it didn't go down so well with Tony Davis.

THE news that ‘Crash, Bang, Wallop’, the video of Cork’s All-Ireland year will soon be available in shops, is welcome news for all lovers of rugby league. They have been able to bludgeon and bore their way through every team in the country with their primitive approach, but as we saw for the umpteenth time last Sunday, the Kingdom are far too smart for them.
By half-time the score was 1-10 to 0-5 and could have been worse for Cork, whose tactic of soloing hard at the opposing defence was only serving to give them sore heads.
Crash! Pierce O’Neill ran into Aidan O’Mahoney, head down. Bang! Noel O’Leary charged into Sheehan. Wallop! Paul Kerrigan collided with O’Sullivan, the linesmen, the referee, the corner flag and the goalpost and still kept solo-running.
I said last year they are a dumb team and I saw nothing on Sunday that might cause me to alter that assessment. Overwhelming domination of the middle third, ceaseless hard running at defences and two excellent free-takers have brought them an All-Ireland and make them very hard to beat. On top of that, they play with courage and integrity and in that regard, they are moulded in the image of their creator. However, they are not in the same league as Kerry. Nor Tyrone in their pomp, even if that pomp began deflating three years ago and if Mickey keeps going the way he is, it will soon be flat as a pancake.

Before the 2009 All-Ireland final between Kerry and Cork, I was wandering about in the bowels of the Hogan Stand. I like to go early on All-Ireland final morning and see the place awakening. Say hello to this and that, go into the RTE vans, wind Tony Davis up and so on.
A few hours before the Kerry team arrived, their kit man pulled up in his van and started unloading the precious green and gold kits.
“Show me the number 13″ I asked him.
- “Now, Derryman, you know all about number 13.”
“Ah go on, show me it.” He took it out reverentially, like a pilgrim who had discovered the last stitch on Padre Pio’s gown.
- “There it is,” he said, “A lot of greats have worn it.”
“Maybe this latest one is the greatest of them all?” I suggested.
- “You might be right, Derryman, you might be right.”
“Will you beat them today?”
- “They’re a big shtrong team,” he said, “But I’d say it’ll be the same old shtory.”

A few hours later, the same old shtory did indeed unfold, Kerry’s skills and footballing know-how reducing Cork’s battering ram to a pile of woodworm.
The second half in Killarney last week emphasised Cork’s strengths and weaknesses. These remain identical to what they were two years ago. The theory was that if they could win the All-Ireland, this would be a psychological breakthrough. Free of the baggage of failure, they would quickly improve and become a great team.
It has not worked out that way. Their two dangerous forwards remain starved of possession in a three man full forward line. They are static because they know the ball will not be kicked in long and accurately and usually they are behind a sweeper. Against Down last year, they finally got free in the second half to kick two points apiece, courtesy of Down’s decision not to play a sweeper and Cork’s overwhelming midfield domination.
In spite of everything, they collapsed over the line by a single point, against a Down team that were tourists accidentally arrived in Croke Park. Wee James nearly pulled off the greatest con since the Eiffel Tower was sold to a man from Cullyhanna.
In the semi-final, the Dubs had imploded when they were five points clear with five minutes to go. They fell into the trap of fouling the hard runners as they crashed against the Dublin defences in wave after wave. No doubt, this is difficult to cope with and requires very good discipline and concentration. A penalty and three frees saw Cork into the final, again by a single point.

On Sunday in Killarney, they floundered, but still managed to keep in touch, courtesy of hard running, frees and the virtually obligatory penalty. The over-rated Graham Canty was again shown up, by both Star and Declan O’Sullivan.
Four points from play in the first half doesn’t tell the whole story. “What do people see in Canty?” a Kerry man texted me at half-time.
- “I don’t know” was my response.
In fairness, Kerry people are very harsh judges of a footballer. Someone like Graham, whose strengths are his physique, athleticism and never say die attitude underwhelms them. They have that in Kerry, but on top of that they have the skills. Graham does not. He has been described as a star in the hybrid Rules game and is always discussed as a great in the media. I don’t see it.
Where Kerry footballers are expected to be able to score, regardless of the number on their back, Cork’s number 5 to 9 cannot, nor can they distribute the ball well. Their two midfielders are big hearted athletes but their skills are clumsy to say the least. Brian Sheehan meanwhile can kick points effortlessly from any position within sixty yards of goal.

Kerry remain the gold standard. Tomas O’Se and Paul Galvin will return in a few weeks. Come the third Sunday in september I will stroll over to the Kerry kitman when he arrives, he will greet me with “Well Derryman”, and so the world will turn. The same old shtory.

Sourced: GaelicLife.com (http://www.gaeliclife.com/2011/07/14/joe-brolly-on-corks-imminent-demise/)
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: samwin08 on July 24, 2011, 11:41:46 PM
Time for cutbacks at RTE. Me thinks  Brolly had a glass of wine with his dinner tonight before he came on the programme. Time for Brolly and Spillane to move on. Really think Brolly has lost it. Fair play to Tony Davis for contradicting him.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Hoof Hearted on July 24, 2011, 11:43:22 PM
Time for cutbacks at RTE. Me thinks  Brolly had a glass of wine with his dinner tonight before he came on the programme. Time for Brolly and Spillane to move on. Really think Brolly has lost it. Fair play to Tony Nation for contradicting him.

who the f**k is he ?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: samwin08 on July 24, 2011, 11:45:59 PM
Brolly: Cork ‘primitive’, Canty ‘overrated’
By Terry Reilly

Saturday, July 23, 2011

FORMER Derry star Joe Brolly has labelled Cork football as "primitive" and Graham Canty as "overrated".



Read more: http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/brolly-cork-primitive-canty-overrated-161980.html#ixzz1T483mUrb
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ziggysego on July 24, 2011, 11:47:01 PM
Brolly: Cork ‘primitive’, Canty ‘overrated’
By Terry Reilly

Saturday, July 23, 2011

FORMER Derry star Joe Brolly has labelled Cork football as "primitive" and Graham Canty as "overrated".



Read more: http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/brolly-cork-primitive-canty-overrated-161980.html#ixzz1T483mUrb

Yeah, I just posted that. Cheers though ;)
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ross4life on July 24, 2011, 11:49:20 PM
Cheers Ziggy. Don't Kerry still have to beat Tyrone in a big game to?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ziggysego on July 24, 2011, 11:50:14 PM
Cheers Ziggy. Don't Kerry still have to beat Tyrone in a big game to?

They beat us in '86.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Gold on July 24, 2011, 11:52:25 PM
Makes great TV
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ross4life on July 24, 2011, 11:54:02 PM
Cheers Ziggy. Don't Kerry still have to beat Tyrone in a big game to?

They beat us in '86.
Ok. Must be thinking of that team of the decade(s) business you two had going on.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: This Years Model on July 24, 2011, 11:54:36 PM
To whomever it concerns, Ian Ryan's free was over the bar on Saturday night. Showing the TV replay over and over again was completely pointless as it gave no indication whatsoever about whether the ball was inside the post or not.

In the stand I would have been a bit to the left of the ref's view as he looked on, and the ball was always inside the left upright.

If Anthony Masterson was going to have a whinge he should have brought up Stevie Kelly's assault on him immediately after the goal. It earned him a yellow card which is just about the most despicable cop-out of all times, and he can consider himself a very lucky boy to be eligible to play in the All-Ireland Q-Final.

All that said, fair play to Limerick for a fantastic comeback on a night of gripping Championship fare in Portlaoise. The best 15 Euro I spent for myself and two boys in a long time.

Brolly - as a hurler himself - should also have pointed out that Joey Wadding had his hand on Ian Ryan's back for the free-in which won the game. Any boy that played hurling - or football - from the age of 10 was told that if you put your hand on the fella's back, you're fair game for a foul to be blown against you.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ziggysego on July 25, 2011, 12:04:01 AM
Cheers Ziggy. Don't Kerry still have to beat Tyrone in a big game to?

They beat us in '86.
Ok. Must be thinking of that team of the decade(s) business you two had going on.

Well true, they haven't beaten us in a big game in the 2000s.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: SLIGONIAN on July 25, 2011, 12:04:23 AM
Brolly: Cork ‘primitive’, Canty ‘overrated’
By Terry Reilly

Saturday, July 23, 2011

FORMER Derry star Joe Brolly has labelled Cork football as "primitive" and Graham Canty as "overrated".



Read more: http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/brolly-cork-primitive-canty-overrated-161980.html#ixzz1T483mUrb
when you read brollys article its fairly accurate from a ruthlessly honest tactical analysis point of view especially about dublins last 5mins last yr, dont really think its fair for Terry reilliy to basically pick out the negatives and make an article of it for himself, lazy or what?

Brollys entitled to his opinion like everybody else, on this occasion i dont its fair to say hes lost the plot. I actually think its refreshing for an analyst to go past the normal cliched analysis and say what he really thinks.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: SLIGONIAN on July 25, 2011, 12:06:59 AM
To whomever it concerns, Ian Ryan's free was over the bar on Saturday night. Showing the TV replay over and over again was completely pointless as it gave no indication whatsoever about whether the ball was inside the post or not.

In the stand I would have been a bit to the left of the ref's view as he looked on, and the ball was always inside the left upright.

If Anthony Masterson was going to have a whinge he should have brought up Stevie Kelly's assault on him immediately after the goal. It earned him a yellow card which is just about the most despicable cop-out of all times, and he can consider himself a very lucky boy to be eligible to play in the All-Ireland Q-Final.

All that said, fair play to Limerick for a fantastic comeback on a night of gripping Championship fare in Portlaoise. The best 15 Euro I spent for myself and two boys in a long time.

Brolly - as a hurler himself - should also have pointed out that Joey Wadding had his hand on Ian Ryan's back for the free-in which won the game. Any boy that played hurling - or football - from the age of 10 was told that if you put your hand on the fella's back, you're fair game for a foul to be blown against you.
Fair play posting that being on the wrong end of the score, i wish i could take defeat with as much dignity as yourself. Hope limerick do themselves justice the next day.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Dont Matter on July 25, 2011, 12:10:31 AM
To whomever it concerns, Ian Ryan's free was over the bar on Saturday night. Showing the TV replay over and over again was completely pointless as it gave no indication whatsoever about whether the ball was inside the post or not.

In the stand I would have been a bit to the left of the ref's view as he looked on, and the ball was always inside the left upright.

If Anthony Masterson was going to have a whinge he should have brought up Stevie Kelly's assault on him immediately after the goal. It earned him a yellow card which is just about the most despicable cop-out of all times, and he can consider himself a very lucky boy to be eligible to play in the All-Ireland Q-Final.

All that said, fair play to Limerick for a fantastic comeback on a night of gripping Championship fare in Portlaoise. The best 15 Euro I spent for myself and two boys in a long time.

Brolly - as a hurler himself - should also have pointed out that Joey Wadding had his hand on Ian Ryan's back for the free-in which won the game. Any boy that played hurling - or football - from the age of 10 was told that if you put your hand on the fella's back, you're fair game for a foul to be blown against you.
Fair play posting that being on the wrong end of the score, i wish i could take defeat with as much dignity as yourself. Hope limerick do themselves justice the next day.

The only problem is he says he was in the stand, if he was in the stand he would of been to the right of the referee and in no position to judge if it was over. Maybe he meant he was on the terrace.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on July 25, 2011, 12:10:47 AM
Time for cutbacks at RTE. Me thinks  Brolly had a glass bottle of wine with his dinner tonight before he came on the programme. Time for Brolly and Spillane to move on. Really think Brolly has lost it. Fair play to Tony Davis for contradicting him.

Didn't think Davis had it in him.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Gold on July 25, 2011, 12:14:06 AM
To whomever it concerns, Ian Ryan's free was over the bar on Saturday night. Showing the TV replay over and over again was completely pointless as it gave no indication whatsoever about whether the ball was inside the post or not.

In the stand I would have been a bit to the left of the ref's view as he looked on, and the ball was always inside the left upright.

If Anthony Masterson was going to have a whinge he should have brought up Stevie Kelly's assault on him immediately after the goal. It earned him a yellow card which is just about the most despicable cop-out of all times, and he can consider himself a very lucky boy to be eligible to play in the All-Ireland Q-Final.

All that said, fair play to Limerick for a fantastic comeback on a night of gripping Championship fare in Portlaoise. The best 15 Euro I spent for myself and two boys in a long time.

Brolly - as a hurler himself - should also have pointed out that Joey Wadding had his hand on Ian Ryan's back for the free-in which won the game. Any boy that played hurling - or football - from the age of 10 was told that if you put your hand on the fella's back, you're fair game for a foul to be blown against you.
Fair play posting that being on the wrong end of the score, i wish i could take defeat with as much dignity as yourself. Hope limerick do themselves justice the next day.

Yeah fair play to you.

As for Brolly--if he left he'd be a huge loss to the Sunday Game--he makes fantastic TV and his observations were pretty much spot on about Cork and about the Limerick score etc. Far, far better that the cliched borefest 'everybody is great' analysis you'd get from Alan Shearer types
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: This Years Model on July 25, 2011, 12:18:40 AM
My bad, DM. I wasn't in the covered stand, I was in the terracing opposite the covered stand, on the left hand side of the pitch looking over Ryan's shoulder as he kicked it.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ross4life on July 25, 2011, 12:21:28 AM
TBH That free Limerick got at the end of the game looked like a dive from Ryan.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Lily4life on July 25, 2011, 12:21:52 AM
It's very hard to listen to Joe Brolly on The Sunday Game at times.
Kildare win and he decides to single out a player and insult him for a performance a year ago.
He thought the controversial point at the end of the Wexford match was funny, doubt he would have felt the same if it was Derry in the same situation.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: SLIGONIAN on July 25, 2011, 12:22:52 AM
To whomever it concerns, Ian Ryan's free was over the bar on Saturday night. Showing the TV replay over and over again was completely pointless as it gave no indication whatsoever about whether the ball was inside the post or not.

In the stand I would have been a bit to the left of the ref's view as he looked on, and the ball was always inside the left upright.

If Anthony Masterson was going to have a whinge he should have brought up Stevie Kelly's assault on him immediately after the goal. It earned him a yellow card which is just about the most despicable cop-out of all times, and he can consider himself a very lucky boy to be eligible to play in the All-Ireland Q-Final.

All that said, fair play to Limerick for a fantastic comeback on a night of gripping Championship fare in Portlaoise. The best 15 Euro I spent for myself and two boys in a long time.

Brolly - as a hurler himself - should also have pointed out that Joey Wadding had his hand on Ian Ryan's back for the free-in which won the game. Any boy that played hurling - or football - from the age of 10 was told that if you put your hand on the fella's back, you're fair game for a foul to be blown against you.
Fair play posting that being on the wrong end of the score, i wish i could take defeat with as much dignity as yourself. Hope limerick do themselves justice the next day.

The only problem is he says he was in the stand, if he was in the stand he would of been to the right of the referee and in no position to judge if it was over. Maybe he meant he was on the terrace.
Im just presuming he meant terrace, your correct, im sure it was a typo, the standside would of had poor view, the point itself reminded me of Colm McGee winner last yr against Galway for us, i was behind it all the way and it was over but spectacularly high and its not easy for umpires to get it right but glad for fair play that if was a point it was given.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Orangemac on July 25, 2011, 12:29:29 AM
It's very hard to listen to Joe Brolly on The Sunday Game at times.
Kildare win and he decides to single out a player and insult him for a performance a year ago.
He thought the controversial point at the end of the Wexford match was funny, doubt he would have felt the same if it was Derry in the same situation.
Not for the first time Brolly seems to have been enjoying the refreshments in RTE before the show. Watch his hand gestures when he is pontificating.

I have no problem with him going against the flow, I agree about Cork still needing to beat Kerry, he doesn't need to be so condascending doing it.These are amateur players and officials. By all means point out mistakes just don't be so spiteful about it.

Just wondering how did Brolly see the Derry/Kildare, Cork/Down and Armagh/Tyrone games? Did rte give him footage of the game in Omagh?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on July 25, 2011, 12:31:03 AM
It's very hard to listen to Joe Brolly on The Sunday Game at times.
Kildare win and he decides to single out a player and insult him for a performance a year ago.
He thought the controversial point at the end of the Wexford match was funny, doubt he would have felt the same if it was Derry in the same situation.

He would if he was jarred.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: SLIGONIAN on July 25, 2011, 12:31:41 AM
It's very hard to listen to Joe Brolly on The Sunday Game at times.
Kildare win and he decides to single out a player and insult him for a performance a year ago.
He thought the controversial point at the end of the Wexford match was funny, doubt he would have felt the same if it was Derry in the same situation.
Its seems to me any outside criticism whether its accurate or not is termed an insult by people within the county being analysed. Brolly said he wimps out against the big boys, and that doing it against lesser teams like Derry :D doesnt change that opinion, he did say he may have been harsh in the way he said it when probed by des, but probably stands by his point. Hopefully Kavanagh does the business the next day after seeing that ;) as i would love to see Kildare lift Sam.

I do agree on the wexford point issue, it wasnt funny and he was sniggering away in the background. I feel sorry for wexford but im glad for limerick.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on July 25, 2011, 12:33:25 AM
That Masterson lad annoys me.
He needs to learn to control his emotions.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Dinny Breen on July 25, 2011, 12:39:31 AM
It's very hard to listen to Joe Brolly on The Sunday Game at times.
Kildare win and he decides to single out a player and insult him for a performance a year ago.
He thought the controversial point at the end of the Wexford match was funny, doubt he would have felt the same if it was Derry in the same situation.

Jaysus L4L, this is good news the hype was annoying, Kildare need to win something to prove they are the team we know they are capable off. We don't need affirmation from a Derry man doing an impression of Oliver Reid on national TV.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on July 25, 2011, 12:42:26 AM
A lot of teams will have Joe Brolly to thank if they win the All-Ireland.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: diehard on July 25, 2011, 01:28:38 AM
Brolly and Spillane are mostly interested in promoting their own media iprofile and being controversial seems to be a handy way of keeping it up there. I find them boring at this stage and feel their days in RTE are numbered or at least ought to be.  It would be nice to have decent analysis that gives a good insight into games without insulting everyone in sight.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: sheamy on July 25, 2011, 10:29:25 AM
Pay no attention to Davis or Brolly. They are equally embarrassing in different ways.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: magpie seanie on July 25, 2011, 10:38:57 AM
See here is the crux of GAA analysis. Do we want the bland Sky Sports style analysis which illuminates only the most ill-informed? Or do we want the truth, the facts laid bare even if it is hurtful to players who are "amateur"? Personally, I lean towards the latter, just. I think the criticisms in this case were justified largely and not over the top. Des Cahill showed he is a goon and Tony Davis did his best impression of parish pump politics.

As for the laughing during the Limerick point/wide debate Brolly was just laughing at the stupidity of Davis' argument. "The ref was sure it was a point" - is that why he ran in and consulted the umpires?

It was the best Sunday Game in ages!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: clarshack on July 25, 2011, 10:43:46 AM
See here is the crux of GAA analysis. Do we want the bland Sky Sports style analysis which illuminates only the most ill-informed? Or do we want the truth, the facts laid bare even if it is hurtful to players who are "amateur"? Personally, I lean towards the latter, just. I think the criticisms in this case were justified largely and not over the top. Des Cahill showed he is a goon and Tony Davis did his best impression of parish pump politics.

As for the laughing during the Limerick point/wide debate Brolly was just laughing at the stupidity of Davis' argument. "The ref was sure it was a point" - is that why he ran in and consulted the umpires?

It was the best Sunday Game in ages!

would agree with that.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: tbrick18 on July 25, 2011, 10:50:30 AM
Without Brolly and Spillane the Sunday Game would be a bore fest.
Brolly isnt too often that far off the mark though and I think he understands the modern game a lot more than Tony Davis or Spillane.
But it's good to have two contrasting points of view for the sake of discussion.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Dinny Breen on July 25, 2011, 11:24:16 AM
See here is the crux of GAA analysis. Do we want the bland Sky Sports style analysis which illuminates only the most ill-informed? Or do we want the truth, the facts laid bare even if it is hurtful to players who are "amateur"? Personally, I lean towards the latter, just. I think the criticisms in this case were justified largely and not over the top. Des Cahill showed he is a goon and Tony Davis did his best impression of parish pump politics.

As for the laughing during the Limerick point/wide debate Brolly was just laughing at the stupidity of Davis' argument. "The ref was sure it was a point" - is that why he ran in and consulted the umpires?

It was the best Sunday Game in ages!

Expect we're not getting much analysis from Brolly just rhetoric without much substance besides the obvious, it's certainly not insightful or indeed intelligent. I mean his attack on Cork, saying they had no skill, really? What does that say about the rest of the country? 

It's entertaining like Dunphy and stirs debate but I just find The Sunday Game has gone very very stale, you just don't learn anything from it.



Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ross matt on July 25, 2011, 11:30:54 AM
Brolly always sneers disrespectfully at teams he wants to criticise rather than offer something constructive. Controversial for the sake of it is as boring as bland soundbite type analysis. He is a Spillane mini me. Himself, Spillane and O'Rourke should be sent out the pasture instead of them taking tax payer money with bar room slaggin as the basis for their preparation and delivery.

Davis wiped the floor with Brolly last night. Yes it was parish pump politics on Davis's point but when Brolly was on the recieving end he got flustered and kept changing the point... constantly referring to Cork no beating Kerry in Croker as if its breaking news. He completely ignored Davis's argument that the Cork half backs have scored more than any other half backline in the last few years.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Stevie g 8 on July 25, 2011, 11:34:57 AM
at least brolly adds a bit a entertainment to it,davis ,mc stay,carney are just so boring and it,s time to get someone new and refreshing.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: EC Unique on July 25, 2011, 11:36:21 AM
Brolly always sneers disrespectfully at teams he wants to criticise rather than offer something constructive. Controversial for the sake of it is as boring as bland soundbite type analysis. He is a Spillane mini me. Himself, Spillane and O'Rourke should be sent out the pasture instead of them taking tax payer money with bar room slaggin as the basis for their preparation and delivery.

Davis wiped the floor with Brolly last night. Yes it was parish pump politics on Davis's point but when Brolly was on the recieving end he got flustered and kept changing the point... constantly referring to Cork no beating Kerry in Croker as if its breaking news. He completely ignored Davis's argument that the Cork half backs have scored more than any other half backline in the last few years.

Would be interesting to find out if this is true. I always thought Tyrone would head this tally.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: magpie seanie on July 25, 2011, 12:09:14 PM
See here is the crux of GAA analysis. Do we want the bland Sky Sports style analysis which illuminates only the most ill-informed? Or do we want the truth, the facts laid bare even if it is hurtful to players who are "amateur"? Personally, I lean towards the latter, just. I think the criticisms in this case were justified largely and not over the top. Des Cahill showed he is a goon and Tony Davis did his best impression of parish pump politics.

As for the laughing during the Limerick point/wide debate Brolly was just laughing at the stupidity of Davis' argument. "The ref was sure it was a point" - is that why he ran in and consulted the umpires?

It was the best Sunday Game in ages!

Expect we're not getting much analysis from Brolly just rhetoric without much substance besides the obvious, it's certainly not insightful or indeed intelligent. I mean his attack on Cork, saying they had no skill, really? What does that say about the rest of the country? 

It's entertaining like Dunphy and stirs debate but I just find The Sunday Game has gone very very stale, you just don't learn anything from it.


Brolly exaggerates his points (I think this is his profession coming out in him!) but in comparison to Kerry or Tyrone, Cork are not as skilful. He makes some good points about Cork to be honest. Despite this I can see them winning Sam this year (and maybe a few more) but I too find them a little boring and mechanical.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: blewuporstuffed on July 25, 2011, 12:19:52 PM
Brolly always sneers disrespectfully at teams he wants to criticise rather than offer something constructive. Controversial for the sake of it is as boring as bland soundbite type analysis. He is a Spillane mini me. Himself, Spillane and O'Rourke should be sent out the pasture instead of them taking tax payer money with bar room slaggin as the basis for their preparation and delivery.

Davis wiped the floor with Brolly last night. Yes it was parish pump politics on Davis's point but when Brolly was on the recieving end he got flustered and kept changing the point... constantly referring to Cork no beating Kerry in Croker as if its breaking news. He completely ignored Davis's argument that the Cork half backs have scored more than any other half backline in the last few years.

Would be interesting to find out if this is true. I always thought Tyrone would head this tally.

thats what i though aswell.
this was davis's big ace card in his arguement, but he offered no facts whatso ever to back it up, brolly couldnt argue with him as he had no idea wether he was right or not!

dunno how anyone could say davis 'wiped the floor' with brolly, for me he just came across as someone defending thier own with no real basis for his counter arguement.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: highorlow on July 25, 2011, 12:39:10 PM
If I want to see a Guard and a Lawyer have a row on a Sunday night I'll head to my local pub.

TV3 should start a Sunday Game type show say on a Monday evening to compete with these cretons. Mickey Harte is right not to bother talking to them.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: hurling_lad on July 25, 2011, 12:44:17 PM
If Tony Davis had got himself a bit better informed, he could have pointed out that the last time that Brolly's beloved Tyrone scored as much in a championship match as Cork did on Saturday (i.e. 2-20/26 points) was over six years ago (June '05 vs. Cavan in a replay).
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: snippets on July 25, 2011, 12:50:39 PM
Brolly is controversial lads, but bluffer or not hes great value and does everything with a humoured wit rarely portrayed  and understood in the GAA.    Outside Colm O Rourke hes the only guy worth listening to.  Colm may well be the only true non bluffer in the Sunday game set up.  Why oh why cant we have a seperate hurling and football programme though.  The football crowd must suffer through the hurling when its like watching scor to them.       
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ballinaman on July 25, 2011, 12:55:55 PM
Brolly is controversial lads, but bluffer or not hes great value and does everything with a humoured wit rarely portrayed  and understood in the GAA.    Outside Colm O Rourke hes the only guy worth listening to.  Colm may well be the only true non bluffer in the Sunday game set up.  Why oh why cant we have a seperate hurling and football programme though.  The football crowd must suffer through the hurling when its like watching scor to them.     
I disagree with every point you make there.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: bloodybreakball on July 25, 2011, 01:00:01 PM
here here magpie seanie, i have to say i like brolly, i havent seen last nights sunday game yet but i think the vast majority of people would have to recognise that brolly is fairly / very (delete depending on your opinion) insightful about tactics. I go out of my way to read his stuff in the irish mail and the gaelic life and in the last few weeks I believe that he has become more controversial and before last night it must have been 3 maybe 4 weeks since he was last on, so maybe he was tyring to keep aome air in his own profile balloon (not exactly sure what this is but you get my point!!). i thik lads tbh that, although its hard when its your own county if there is some objectivity than there is a fair bit of truth in his anlysis. i think he's bang on about cork, and kildare, if kildare are that strong, how the hell did they not beat a very questionable dublin team
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Offalylad on July 25, 2011, 01:02:48 PM
Brolly is controversial lads, but bluffer or not hes great value and does everything with a humoured wit rarely portrayed  and understood in the GAA.    Outside Colm O Rourke hes the only guy worth listening to.  Colm may well be the only true non bluffer in the Sunday game set up.  Why oh why cant we have a seperate hurling and football programme though.  The football crowd must suffer through the hurling when its like watching scor to them.     

I disagree big time there.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: IolarCoisCuain on July 25, 2011, 01:11:46 PM
See here is the crux of GAA analysis. Do we want the bland Sky Sports style analysis which illuminates only the most ill-informed? Or do we want the truth, the facts laid bare even if it is hurtful to players who are "amateur"? Personally, I lean towards the latter, just. I think the criticisms in this case were justified largely and not over the top. Des Cahill showed he is a goon and Tony Davis did his best impression of parish pump politics.

As for the laughing during the Limerick point/wide debate Brolly was just laughing at the stupidity of Davis' argument. "The ref was sure it was a point" - is that why he ran in and consulted the umpires?

It was the best Sunday Game in ages!

would agree with that.

It doesn't have to be either/or fellas. You can constructively criticize without being an asshole about it. It's really not that hard.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: snippets on July 25, 2011, 01:29:29 PM
Listen we have to sit through all the hurling games for a draw for football time after time.  I love hurling but Im a Tyrone man and I want my football draw, which is placed after the hurling despite the fact it has limited relevance to the supporters, If you think that its for anyone but RTE s interests then you are delusive.  As for opening debate on seperate promotion of hurling and football on TV then thats what I would love to do.  Undoubtedly hurling needs to find its own place as its dying on its feet in all but a few counties.  I think it could be marketed in different ways from football and it suffers from being put alongside it.   On another point Look we knew there was to be 4 games in Croke Park next week, could we not have talked to the guards before the draw.     
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: PAULD123 on July 25, 2011, 01:53:35 PM
Davis wiped the floor with Brolly last night. Yes it was parish pump politics on Davis's point but when Brolly was on the recieving end he got flustered and kept changing the point... constantly referring to Cork no beating Kerry in Croker as if its breaking news. He completely ignored Davis's argument that the Cork half backs have scored more than any other half backline in the last few years.

No he did not. If you try to win an argument by quoting a made up fact that only wins because it can't be verified on the spot you just look like a spoofer when later it is shown you were talking crap. Davis confidently tried to act smarter than Brolly by claiming Cork half backs have scored more in the last few championships than any other team. An arrogant little declaration based on no fact at all except a desire for it to be true.

In "the last few championships" since 2008 Cork defence has scored 35 points of which 32 came from half backs. I have no time to check every team but I do know about my own. In the same period Down defence has scored 61 points, of which I believe 56 came from half backs. And we did that in 21 games to Cork's 23.

Like I said I have no idea how many Kerry, Tyrone or Armagh (A. Kernan please stand up!!) may have scored. But this just shows all Davis is a spoofer, making statements and crossing his fingers.

Brolly is a wind-up merchant and I am far from defending him, but Davis is a tool, looked like a childish tool and spoke like a childish tool. No floor wiping there!

Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: AQMP on July 25, 2011, 01:55:31 PM
Listen we have to sit through all the hurling games for a draw for football time after time.  I love hurling but Im a Tyrone man and I want my football draw, which is placed after the hurling despite the fact it has limited relevance to the supporters, If you think that its for anyone but RTE s interests then you are delusive.  As for opening debate on seperate promotion of hurling and football on TV then thats what I would love to do.  Undoubtedly hurling needs to find its own place as its dying on its feet in all but a few counties.  I think it could be marketed in different ways from football and it suffers from being put alongside it.   On another point Look we knew there was to be 4 games in Croke Park next week, could we not have talked to the guards before the draw.     

Here's a tip, don't watch the hurling and switch on the telly just before the draw is made.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Bogball XV on July 25, 2011, 01:57:05 PM
See here is the crux of GAA analysis. Do we want the bland Sky Sports style analysis which illuminates only the most ill-informed? Or do we want the truth, the facts laid bare even if it is hurtful to players who are "amateur"? Personally, I lean towards the latter, just. I think the criticisms in this case were justified largely and not over the top. Des Cahill showed he is a goon and Tony Davis did his best impression of parish pump politics.

As for the laughing during the Limerick point/wide debate Brolly was just laughing at the stupidity of Davis' argument. "The ref was sure it was a point" - is that why he ran in and consulted the umpires?

It was the best Sunday Game in ages!

Expect we're not getting much analysis from Brolly just rhetoric without much substance besides the obvious, it's certainly not insightful or indeed intelligent. I mean his attack on Cork, saying they had no skill, really? What does that say about the rest of the country? 

It's entertaining like Dunphy and stirs debate but I just find The Sunday Game has gone very very stale, you just don't learn anything from it.
He didn't really say that, his main point was that Cork have two excellent inside forwards who are under utilised because the half backs and midfield too often take the wrong options and don't pass.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Louth Exile on July 25, 2011, 02:06:34 PM
See here is the crux of GAA analysis. Do we want the bland Sky Sports style analysis which illuminates only the most ill-informed? Or do we want the truth, the facts laid bare even if it is hurtful to players who are "amateur"? Personally, I lean towards the latter, just. I think the criticisms in this case were justified largely and not over the top. Des Cahill showed he is a goon and Tony Davis did his best impression of parish pump politics.

As for the laughing during the Limerick point/wide debate Brolly was just laughing at the stupidity of Davis' argument. "The ref was sure it was a point" - is that why he ran in and consulted the umpires?

It was the best Sunday Game in ages!

would agree with that.

It doesn't have to be either/or fellas. You can constructively criticize without being an asshole about it. It's really not that hard.

I would agree with Seanie also, I thought it certainly made for great television.

With some contributors feeling that Davis performed well in his debate against Brolly I watched it back on the player. I really can't see how anyone thought that Davis performed well "I do like that they play 15 against 15" (so what, they are still boring to watch!) "I played half back and if I went upfield I'd be roared at by John Kerins to get back" (ancient history, zero relevance to the role of the half back in the modern game, plus, if he had charged forward, how in the name of god would he hear his goalie in packed Paircaigh Caoimh/Croke Park/Killarney!!) "John Miskella has scored loads" (not a single stat to back up his assertion).

Brolly is and always has been extremely arrogant and makes no apologies for who he insults. However, having read the full article from the gaelic life column, there is very little in it that he has got wrong!

Just to pick up on his point in relation to Graham Canty, he is absolutely spot on. How this man has won three all stars still amazes me and for my mind he is the single most over rated player in recent memory. His performances throughout 07 were poor (including being destroyed against Louth) yet he is picked at full back. Probably even worst was his selection last year, when Mc Kiernan was clearly the stand out No 6 of championship. I have a theory in this regard, there is clearly a lack of quality "old style" full backs throughout the inter county scene over the last number of years. So when big lumps like Canty or Kevin Reilly come along, who fit the stereotype of what a full back should have been in years gone by, the media commentators latch on to them and build them up to be something that they simply are not.

As for Davis..... without any shadow of a doubt the single worst panelist that the Sunday Game have on their rotation and it baffles me everytime that he is on as to how they can justify spending licence payers money on employing him. He offers no meaningful insight into the analysis of any game and is frequently just plain wrong!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Hardy on July 25, 2011, 02:15:11 PM
Davis wiped the floor with Brolly last night. Yes it was parish pump politics on Davis's point but when Brolly was on the recieving end he got flustered and kept changing the point... constantly referring to Cork no beating Kerry in Croker as if its breaking news. He completely ignored Davis's argument that the Cork half backs have scored more than any other half backline in the last few years.

No he did not. If you try to win an argument by quoting a made up fact that only wins because it can't be verified on the spot you just look like a spoofer when later it is shown you were talking crap. Davis confidently tried to act smarter than Brolly by claiming Cork half backs have scored more in the last few championships than any other team. An arrogant little declaration based on no fact at all except a desire for it to be true.

In "the last few championships" since 2008 Cork defence has scored 35 points of which 32 came from half backs. I have no time to check every team but I do know about my own. In the same period Down defence has scored 61 points, of which I believe 56 came from half backs. And we did that in 21 games to Cork's 23.

Like I said I have no idea how many Kerry, Tyrone or Armagh (A. Kernan please stand up!!) may have scored. But this just shows all Davis is a spoofer, making statements and crossing his fingers.

Brolly is a wind-up merchant and I am far from defending him, but Davis is a tool, looked like a childish tool and spoke like a childish tool. No floor wiping there!



Good stuff Paul. It's hard to beat facts in any debate.

Davis is a spoofer, floundering out of his depth. Brolly is an entertaining spoofer with occasional insights, and a rereshingly untraditional approach by comparison to the standard "I suppose, Marty" mealy mouthedness.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ross matt on July 25, 2011, 02:25:53 PM
Davis wiped the floor with Brolly last night. Yes it was parish pump politics on Davis's point but when Brolly was on the recieving end he got flustered and kept changing the point... constantly referring to Cork no beating Kerry in Croker as if its breaking news. He completely ignored Davis's argument that the Cork half backs have scored more than any other half backline in the last few years.

No he did not. If you try to win an argument by quoting a made up fact that only wins because it can't be verified on the spot you just look like a spoofer when later it is shown you were talking crap. Davis confidently tried to act smarter than Brolly by claiming Cork half backs have scored more in the last few championships than any other team. An arrogant little declaration based on no fact at all except a desire for it to be true.

In "the last few championships" since 2008 Cork defence has scored 35 points of which 32 came from half backs. I have no time to check every team but I do know about my own. In the same period Down defence has scored 61 points, of which I believe 56 came from half backs. And we did that in 21 games to Cork's 23.

Like I said I have no idea how many Kerry, Tyrone or Armagh (A. Kernan please stand up!!) may have scored. But this just shows all Davis is a spoofer, making statements and crossing his fingers.

Brolly is a wind-up merchant and I am far from defending him, but Davis is a tool, looked like a childish tool and spoke like a childish tool. No floor wiping there!

The point Davis was making was that Cork half backs and midfield have regularly scored when they went forward where Brolly had feebly being trying to claim this area was a weakness in the Cork side. Brolly was spluttering then about his newspaper article being "out of context" when Davis labelled it insulting or whatever. Brolly then started the "ah come on now Tony" whinging when Davis unloaded on him. He got his ass handed to him and by Davis who is normally repetitive and bland but got some bottle once he saw his former team had been dissed by sniggering Joe. If Brolly had booze on board as some seem to suspect then rather than it being an excuse its a terrible reflection on his professionalism. Plenty of floor wiping there.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on July 25, 2011, 02:29:05 PM
See here is the crux of GAA analysis. Do we want the bland Sky Sports style analysis which illuminates only the most ill-informed? Or do we want the truth, the facts laid bare even if it is hurtful to players who are "amateur"? Personally, I lean towards the latter, just. I think the criticisms in this case were justified largely and not over the top. Des Cahill showed he is a goon and Tony Davis did his best impression of parish pump politics.

As for the laughing during the Limerick point/wide debate Brolly was just laughing at the stupidity of Davis' argument. "The ref was sure it was a point" - is that why he ran in and consulted the umpires?

It was the best Sunday Game in ages!

would agree with that.

It doesn't have to be either/or fellas. You can constructively criticize without being an asshole about it. It's really not that hard.

I would agree with Seanie also, I thought it certainly made for great television.

With some contributors feeling that Davis performed well in his debate against Brolly I watched it back on the player. I really can't see how anyone thought that Davis performed well "I do like that they play 15 against 15" (so what, they are still boring to watch!) "I played half back and if I went upfield I'd be roared at by John Kerins to get back" (ancient history, zero relevance to the role of the half back in the modern game, plus, if he had charged forward, how in the name of god would he hear his goalie in packed Paircaigh Caoimh/Croke Park/Killarney!!) "John Miskella has scored loads" (not a single stat to back up his assertion).

Brolly is and always has been extremely arrogant and makes no apologies for who he insults. However, having read the full article from the gaelic life column, there is very little in it that he has got wrong!

Just to pick up on his point in relation to Graham Canty, he is absolutely spot on. How this man has won three all stars still amazes me and for my mind he is the single most over rated player in recent memory. His performances throughout 07 were poor (including being destroyed against Louth) yet he is picked at full back. Probably even worst was his selection last year, when Mc Kiernan was clearly the stand out No 6 of championship. I have a theory in this regard, there is clearly a lack of quality "old style" full backs throughout the inter county scene over the last number of years. So when big lumps like Canty or Kevin Reilly come along, who fit the stereotype of what a full back should have been in years gone by, the media commentators latch on to them and build them up to be something that they simply are not.

As for Davis..... without any shadow of a doubt the single worst panelist that the Sunday Game have on their rotation and it baffles me everytime that he is on as to how they can justify spending licence payers money on employing him. He offers no meaningful insight into the analysis of any game and is frequently just plain wrong!

Watch it pal.  >:(
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ross matt on July 25, 2011, 02:31:17 PM
See here is the crux of GAA analysis. Do we want the bland Sky Sports style analysis which illuminates only the most ill-informed? Or do we want the truth, the facts laid bare even if it is hurtful to players who are "amateur"? Personally, I lean towards the latter, just. I think the criticisms in this case were justified largely and not over the top. Des Cahill showed he is a goon and Tony Davis did his best impression of parish pump politics.

As for the laughing during the Limerick point/wide debate Brolly was just laughing at the stupidity of Davis' argument. "The ref was sure it was a point" - is that why he ran in and consulted the umpires?

It was the best Sunday Game in ages!

would agree with that.

It doesn't have to be either/or fellas. You can constructively criticize without being an asshole about it. It's really not that hard.

+ 1
McStay is a good example.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: snoopdog on July 25, 2011, 02:37:00 PM
Davis wiped the floor with Brolly last night. Yes it was parish pump politics on Davis's point but when Brolly was on the recieving end he got flustered and kept changing the point... constantly referring to Cork no beating Kerry in Croker as if its breaking news. He completely ignored Davis's argument that the Cork half backs have scored more than any other half backline in the last few years.

No he did not. If you try to win an argument by quoting a made up fact that only wins because it can't be verified on the spot you just look like a spoofer when later it is shown you were talking crap. Davis confidently tried to act smarter than Brolly by claiming Cork half backs have scored more in the last few championships than any other team. An arrogant little declaration based on no fact at all except a desire for it to be true.

In "the last few championships" since 2008 Cork defence has scored 35 points of which 32 came from half backs. I have no time to check every team but I do know about my own. In the same period Down defence has scored 61 points, of which I believe 56 came from half backs. And we did that in 21 games to Cork's 23.Like I said I have no idea how many Kerry, Tyrone or Armagh (A. Kernan please stand up!!) may have scored. But this just shows all Davis is a spoofer, making statements and crossing his fingers.

Brolly is a wind-up merchant and I am far from defending him, but Davis is a tool, looked like a childish tool and spoke like a childish tool. No floor wiping there!

No wonder we cant defend if all the bloody defenders are up trying to hoof the ball over the black spot.
James look at the stats and you can be half way to solve the problem.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: tyssam5 on July 25, 2011, 03:39:03 PM
I find McStay the most annoying of the lot of them. Reminds me of a teacher or a curate, lecturing away in an extremely boring fashion. And what did he have in his big green binder the other week? Perhaps a scoring analysis of all the half backs in the country? Surely not, none of them would be bothered doing any prep work.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: PAULD123 on July 25, 2011, 03:52:56 PM
Davis wiped the floor with Brolly last night. Yes it was parish pump politics on Davis's point but when Brolly was on the recieving end he got flustered and kept changing the point... constantly referring to Cork no beating Kerry in Croker as if its breaking news. He completely ignored Davis's argument that the Cork half backs have scored more than any other half backline in the last few years.

No he did not. If you try to win an argument by quoting a made up fact that only wins because it can't be verified on the spot you just look like a spoofer when later it is shown you were talking crap. Davis confidently tried to act smarter than Brolly by claiming Cork half backs have scored more in the last few championships than any other team. An arrogant little declaration based on no fact at all except a desire for it to be true.

In "the last few championships" since 2008 Cork defence has scored 35 points of which 32 came from half backs. I have no time to check every team but I do know about my own. In the same period Down defence has scored 61 points, of which I believe 56 came from half backs. And we did that in 21 games to Cork's 23.

Like I said I have no idea how many Kerry, Tyrone or Armagh (A. Kernan please stand up!!) may have scored. But this just shows all Davis is a spoofer, making statements and crossing his fingers.

Brolly is a wind-up merchant and I am far from defending him, but Davis is a tool, looked like a childish tool and spoke like a childish tool. No floor wiping there!



Good stuff Paul. It's hard to beat facts in any debate.

Davis is a spoofer, floundering out of his depth. Brolly is an entertaining spoofer with occasional insights, and a rereshingly untraditional approach by comparison to the standard "I suppose, Marty" mealy mouthedness.

Now Brolly said that Cork half backs generally don't add to the score. He is a mouthy little so-and-so and says things in a deliberately objectional way. but that doesn't mean he is wrong and Davis tantrumous little display amounted to the same as a child sticking their fingers in their ears and shouting la-la-la I'm not listening to you. And like a child he started claiming achievements he knew nothing about and just hoped his blind guesses paid off.

Miskella has scored 18 championship points in since 2008. So, well done John Miskella, he does indeed have a good record. But Brolly's point was that Cork half backs do not score enough or support the attack in general. One man doing well does not justify the assertion that the whole half back department are good at getting scores. In 23 games without Miskella scores Cork half backs have scored 14 points, an average of just over one point every two games. Brolly is correct, that is a poor return. If Miskella has a bad day, pretty much there is no attacking threat from cork's half backs

Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on July 25, 2011, 04:00:53 PM
Davis wiped the floor with Brolly last night. Yes it was parish pump politics on Davis's point but when Brolly was on the recieving end he got flustered and kept changing the point... constantly referring to Cork no beating Kerry in Croker as if its breaking news. He completely ignored Davis's argument that the Cork half backs have scored more than any other half backline in the last few years.

No he did not. If you try to win an argument by quoting a made up fact that only wins because it can't be verified on the spot you just look like a spoofer when later it is shown you were talking crap. Davis confidently tried to act smarter than Brolly by claiming Cork half backs have scored more in the last few championships than any other team. An arrogant little declaration based on no fact at all except a desire for it to be true.

In "the last few championships" since 2008 Cork defence has scored 35 points of which 32 came from half backs. I have no time to check every team but I do know about my own. In the same period Down defence has scored 61 points, of which I believe 56 came from half backs. And we did that in 21 games to Cork's 23.

Like I said I have no idea how many Kerry, Tyrone or Armagh (A. Kernan please stand up!!) may have scored. But this just shows all Davis is a spoofer, making statements and crossing his fingers.

Brolly is a wind-up merchant and I am far from defending him, but Davis is a tool, looked like a childish tool and spoke like a childish tool. No floor wiping there!



Good stuff Paul. It's hard to beat facts in any debate.

Davis is a spoofer, floundering out of his depth. Brolly is an entertaining spoofer with occasional insights, and a rereshingly untraditional approach by comparison to the standard "I suppose, Marty" mealy mouthedness.

Now Brolly said that Cork half backs generally don't add to the score. He is a mouthy little so-and-so and says things in a deliberately objectional way. but that doesn't mean he is wrong and Davis tantrumous little display amounted to the same as a child sticking their fingers in their ears and shouting la-la-la I'm not listening to you. And like a child he started claiming achievements he knew nothing about and just hoped his blind guesses paid off.

Miskella has scored 18 championship points in since 2008. So, well done John Miskella, he does indeed have a good record. But Brolly's point was that Cork half backs do not score enough or support the attack in general. One man doing well does not justify the assertion that the whole half back department are good at getting scores. In 23 games without Miskella scores Cork half backs have scored 14 points, an average of just over one point every two games. Brolly is correct, that is a poor return. If Miskella has a bad day, pretty much there is no attacking threat from cork's half backs

Stop inventing words Paul.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: lynchbhoy on July 25, 2011, 04:07:56 PM
while David was saying that, I was trying to think who the 'scoring' cork half backs were.
not Ger spillane or O'Leary anyhow. Miskella has scored, but in comparison to the Kerry (O'Se) , tyrone (harte, Jordan,gormley), donegal , dublin, kildare , armagh, and other sides regularly contesting the AI quarter/semi finals each year - Cork are heavily reliant on a good sextet of forwards.
Most of the rest of the counties spread the load from forwards to midfield and to backs (indeed Donegal, kerry, tyrone and kildare have scoring corner backs and/or full backs !!)

thought the petty squabble between davis and brolly was a bit cringeworthy last night.
Davis was backed into a hole and Joe should have just let him talk rubbish.
its still better than that mcstay eejit.
I turned the sound off watching the hurling with wee marty commentating !
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: squire_in_navy_slacks on July 25, 2011, 04:29:44 PM
Bernard Flynn the wise oul owl should have been brought in as the peace maker.........................  ;)

Ah let davis and brolly at, its great entertainment, alot better than lyons babbling on and tohill generally ratting, and hanging players out to dry...................... no time for mcstay hes a prune

Best analysts are orourke, spillane and brolly by a mile, the truth hurts for alot of counties when these lads speak, but so be it...............................sure us dubs are generally getting lashed by the pundits, I wouldnt take it to heart

Anybody else think brolly looked like he was just outta coppers or something, he looked fairly unkempt by his standards...................hes great entertainment, thought davis was gonna cry at one stage last night  :D
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Louth Exile on July 25, 2011, 05:24:32 PM
See here is the crux of GAA analysis. Do we want the bland Sky Sports style analysis which illuminates only the most ill-informed? Or do we want the truth, the facts laid bare even if it is hurtful to players who are "amateur"? Personally, I lean towards the latter, just. I think the criticisms in this case were justified largely and not over the top. Des Cahill showed he is a goon and Tony Davis did his best impression of parish pump politics.

As for the laughing during the Limerick point/wide debate Brolly was just laughing at the stupidity of Davis' argument. "The ref was sure it was a point" - is that why he ran in and consulted the umpires?

It was the best Sunday Game in ages!

would agree with that.

It doesn't have to be either/or fellas. You can constructively criticize without being an asshole about it. It's really not that hard.

I would agree with Seanie also, I thought it certainly made for great television.

With some contributors feeling that Davis performed well in his debate against Brolly I watched it back on the player. I really can't see how anyone thought that Davis performed well "I do like that they play 15 against 15" (so what, they are still boring to watch!) "I played half back and if I went upfield I'd be roared at by John Kerins to get back" (ancient history, zero relevance to the role of the half back in the modern game, plus, if he had charged forward, how in the name of god would he hear his goalie in packed Paircaigh Caoimh/Croke Park/Killarney!!) "John Miskella has scored loads" (not a single stat to back up his assertion).

Brolly is and always has been extremely arrogant and makes no apologies for who he insults. However, having read the full article from the gaelic life column, there is very little in it that he has got wrong!

Just to pick up on his point in relation to Graham Canty, he is absolutely spot on. How this man has won three all stars still amazes me and for my mind he is the single most over rated player in recent memory. His performances throughout 07 were poor (including being destroyed against Louth) yet he is picked at full back. Probably even worst was his selection last year, when Mc Kiernan was clearly the stand out No 6 of championship. I have a theory in this regard, there is clearly a lack of quality "old style" full backs throughout the inter county scene over the last number of years. So when big lumps like Canty or Kevin Reilly come along, who fit the stereotype of what a full back should have been in years gone by, the media commentators latch on to them and build them up to be something that they simply are not.

As for Davis..... without any shadow of a doubt the single worst panelist that the Sunday Game have on their rotation and it baffles me everytime that he is on as to how they can justify spending licence payers money on employing him. He offers no meaningful insight into the analysis of any game and is frequently just plain wrong!

Watch it pal.  >:(

Or What!!

Completely overhyped player, often thought Meath were better without him in the set up!

But we are getting a tad off point  ;)
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ck on July 25, 2011, 10:15:55 PM
I thought both Brolly and Davis were as bad as each other, neither were articulate, neither had concrete points to make and both lost an element of control.
Davis waffled in defence about the Cork half backs scoring more than any other "probably" "I'd say", Brolly was his usual sneering self and actually had no real point to make. Yeah maybe Cork dwell on the ball out the field but surely their are more finer points of the game for both to argue over? Like Donegal bringing the game into disripute! ;-)

Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: thejuice on July 25, 2011, 10:46:19 PM
Yeah, for a second I thought Davis was going to back up his statements with some facts. I should know better.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ExiledGael on July 25, 2011, 10:47:13 PM
Have to say I quite enjoyed the Sunday Game last night. Don't rate Tony Davis at all (can't get his 'yeah they did well' brain freeze out of my head when he speaks), but I think Brolly is not far off the mark most of the time
He's not afraid to say what he thinks and isn't there to make friends. Would count him and Colm O'Rourke as RTE's top two.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: EC Unique on July 25, 2011, 10:52:22 PM
When Brolly and Davis argue there is only ever going to be one winner. Brolly make a very good living out of arguing his point, he is a very intelligent man and the points he made about Cork were 100% even if a bit blunt. Davis well out of his depth with Brolly.

Canavan is doing very well this year for BBC and could see him being offered a regular slot with RTE. If he takes it or not is another thing.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: squire_in_navy_slacks on July 25, 2011, 10:52:36 PM
O'Rourke is the best pundit.......................hes nail on the head most of the time, Brolly is brill................... Spillane in small dose's
McStay is a twit.................flynn has improved in fairness to him...............hes not bad on the radio commentary either...................how about whelo guys??............................rte beats tv3 hands down
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Denn Forever on July 25, 2011, 10:58:06 PM
Quote
Canavan is doing very well this year for BBC and could see him being offered a regular slot with RTE. If he takes it or not is another thing.
 
 

Is Canavan not a pundit on TV3?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: EC Unique on July 25, 2011, 11:03:01 PM
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Canavan is doing very well this year for BBC and could see him being offered a regular slot with RTE. If he takes it or not is another thing.
 
 

Is Canavan not a pundit on TV3?

Was last year. Works with BBC this year. Maybe TV3 as well?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: magpie seanie on July 25, 2011, 11:36:07 PM
Canavan is/has been on TV3 and is excellent in my view. Would agree with squire there except for the last bit. I think RTE are limited and Des Cahill annoys me (though he is obviously way better at the job than his predecessor). RTE's commentators with the passable exception of Moloney are simply shit. Also, haven't seen Whelan enough to comment.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: highorlow on July 26, 2011, 08:58:37 AM
I suppose if its one thing the football lads over the hurling lads is they create talking points.

The hurling pundits would knock you to sleep. They are cat altogether.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Hereiam on July 26, 2011, 09:19:13 AM
In fairness to Des Cahill he let Brolly and Davis go at it..... if that hada been Spillane he would have been buttin in and would have ruined the whole thing. You have to laugh at Brolly....... if u didn't the TV would be out the window.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: SuperHo on July 26, 2011, 12:14:43 PM
In fairness, Tony Davis won an all ireland final single handedly.

Just a pity he won it for Derry!!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: EC Unique on July 26, 2011, 12:17:36 PM
In fairness, Tony Davis won an all ireland final single handedly.

Just a pity he won it for Derry!!

 :D :D True.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: From the Bunker on July 26, 2011, 04:27:20 PM
In fairness, Tony Davis won an all ireland final single handedly.

Just a pity he won it for Derry!!

 :D :D True.

I think the Ref won that acculade that day!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: muppet on July 26, 2011, 04:29:24 PM
Some posters probably don't know the story of what happened Davis that week imho he deserves great credit for even lining out.

I wouldn't have been there if it were me.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Armaghgael on July 26, 2011, 04:32:12 PM
Some posters probably don't know the story of what happened Davis that week imho he deserves great credit for even lining out.

I wouldn't have been there if it were me.

What is it?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Gold on July 26, 2011, 10:27:13 PM
Some posters probably don't know the story of what happened Davis that week imho he deserves great credit for even lining out.

I wouldn't have been there if it were me.

What is it?

what happened?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Orangemac on July 26, 2011, 10:50:00 PM
Canavan is/has been on TV3 and is excellent in my view. Would agree with squire there except for the last bit. I think RTE are limited and Des Cahill annoys me (though he is obviously way better at the job than his predecessor). RTE's commentators with the passable exception of Moloney are simply shit. Also, haven't seen Whelan enough to comment.
RTE need a complete clear out of pundits. Canavan is very good, spot on with his reading of a game and doesn't try to hard to be funny. Conor Deegan is on Newstalk and is also very good and Senan Connell on TV3 isn't bad.

I don't see why they have to be ex players either. Kieran Shannon who used to write for the Tribune used to provide excellent analyis on a weekly basis.

Both TV3 and Newstalk have Liam Hayes for some reason, he is a good talker but it is generally crap.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: muppet on July 26, 2011, 10:54:03 PM
Canavan is/has been on TV3 and is excellent in my view. Would agree with squire there except for the last bit. I think RTE are limited and Des Cahill annoys me (though he is obviously way better at the job than his predecessor). RTE's commentators with the passable exception of Moloney are simply shit. Also, haven't seen Whelan enough to comment.
RTE need a complete clear out of pundits. Canavan is very good, spot on with his reading of a game and doesn't try to hard to be funny. Conor Deegan is on Newstalk and is also very good and Senan Connell on TV3 isn't bad.

I don't see why they have to be ex players either. Kieran Shannon who used to write for the Tribune used to provide excellent analyis on a weekly basis.

Both TV3 and Newstalk have Liam Hayes for some reason, he is a good talker but it is generally crap.

Bertie would be a good laugh. Even better with a sozzled former colleague beside him arguing.

If Spillane and Brolly though people were annoyed at them, imagine how they would react to Bertie.

We should start a petition.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: orchard 8195 on July 26, 2011, 10:59:45 PM
In fairness, Tony Davis won an all ireland final single handedly.

Just a pity he won it for Derry!!
To be fair davis was extremely harshly sent off that day!!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ross matt on July 27, 2011, 12:52:33 AM
Some posters probably don't know the story of what happened Davis that week imho he deserves great credit for even lining out.

I wouldn't have been there if it were me.

Me neither Muppet. And then wrongly sent off also.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: squire_in_navy_slacks on July 27, 2011, 12:59:07 AM
Canavan is/has been on TV3 and is excellent in my view. Would agree with squire there except for the last bit. I think RTE are limited and Des Cahill annoys me (though he is obviously way better at the job than his predecessor). RTE's commentators with the passable exception of Moloney are simply shit. Also, haven't seen Whelan enough to comment.
RTE need a complete clear out of pundits. Canavan is very good, spot on with his reading of a game and doesn't try to hard to be funny. Conor Deegan is on Newstalk and is also very good and Senan Connell on TV3 isn't bad.

I don't see why they have to be ex players either. Kieran Shannon who used to write for the Tribune used to provide excellent analyis on a weekly basis.

Both TV3 and Newstalk have Liam Hayes for some reason, he is a good talker but it is generally crap.

Bertie would be a good laugh. Even better with a sozzled former colleague beside him arguing.

If Spillane and Brolly though people were annoyed at them, imagine how they would react to Bertie.

We should start a petition.

Bertie Ahern ???? that man is a disgrace, cannot stand the little weasel, him and his son and law with there freebies in croker with the best seats, pretending to be dublin fans, hes a pr*ck..........................
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: sheamy on July 27, 2011, 08:46:19 AM
In fairness, Tony Davis won an all ireland final single handedly.

Just a pity he won it for Derry!!
To be fair davis was extremely harshly sent off that day!!

Correct. Davis barely deserved a yellow for the tackle he got red for. Niall Cahalane on the other hand! The clearest right hook you'll ever see on Enda Gormley about 5 mins earlier. The feeling always was that Davis got the line because Cahalane didn't. Good job referees are more logical these days  :D
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Hound on July 27, 2011, 09:08:09 AM
In fairness to Des Cahill he let Brolly and Davis go at it..... if that hada been Spillane he would have been buttin in and would have ruined the whole thing. You have to laugh at Brolly....... if u didn't the TV would be out the window.

Yeah, I find I've a lot more admiration for Des since I found out he manages Cuala. He must have a pretty decent knowledge of the game. He's very good at letting the boys go at it without interrupting them (which most presenters find difficult), yet he does call them when they go over the top (e.g last week with Brolly on his comments on James Kavanagh).
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: heffo on July 27, 2011, 09:11:37 AM
In fairness to Des Cahill he let Brolly and Davis go at it..... if that hada been Spillane he would have been buttin in and would have ruined the whole thing. You have to laugh at Brolly....... if u didn't the TV would be out the window.

Yeah, I find I've a lot more admiration for Des since I found out he manages Cuala. He must have a pretty decent knowledge of the game

Senior selector - he was the Chairman a few years ago.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Chris agus Snoop on July 27, 2011, 09:45:28 AM
Brolly being the talented QC that he is, outmanuevered the hapless Davis,
he said the article was taken out of context but the original article in gaelic life was far more insulting than the extracts on the examiner.
 Davis failed to call him on it.
Brolly also wants to be an honourary kerry man his sycophancy towards them is cringe worthy.
 And Cork half backs scored more than kerry HBs in the last 2 years.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: sheamy on July 27, 2011, 10:24:05 AM
Brolly being the talented QC that he is, outmanuevered the hapless Davis,
he said the article was taken out of context but the original article in gaelic life was far more insulting than the extracts on the examiner.
 Davis failed to call him on it.
Brolly also wants to be an honourary kerry man his sycophancy towards them is cringe worthy.
 And Cork half backs scored more than kerry HBs in the last 2 years.

What's insulting? Please detail these grevious insults.

If you call a man a c**t it might be insulting. Calling a system of play 'primative' is hardly insulting. His basis thesis is that if Cork adopted a more 'modern' system of play which didn't rely so heavily on the two guys on the inside line, they'd be near unbeatable. The fact that they win playing what Brolly terms 'primative' football where they 'bore' their way through teams should be taken as a complement as to how good they could be. His basic point is that Cork are winning despite themselves. He said that they beat a mediocre Down team by a point, and that's a fact.

As usual people just latch onto any word like 'primative' and run away making their own stories up. I'm not fan of Brolly as a pundit but he is correct in this case (imo). Anyone taking offence needs to step back and think about what he said and wrote. Don't also forget that he will embelish the words for dramatic effect. If he said 'traditional' instead of 'primative' would the offence be as great? It's also his own objective view which he is paid to present. Noone should take it too seriously, amateur or not. 
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Zulu on July 27, 2011, 10:28:55 AM
What's a modern approach go the game though?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Bogball XV on July 27, 2011, 10:35:23 AM
Brolly being the talented QC that he is, outmanuevered the hapless Davis,
he said the article was taken out of context but the original article in gaelic life was far more insulting than the extracts on the examiner.
 Davis failed to call him on it.
Brolly also wants to be an honourary kerry man his sycophancy towards them is cringe worthy.
And Cork half backs scored more than kerry HBs in the last 2 years.
is that made up or can you back it up - I honestly don't know, it's just that since pauld kindly provided some stats on Cork half back scoring, i'd like to see figures from now on.
League and championship separate of course and number of games played will also be essential.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Dinny Breen on July 27, 2011, 10:42:00 AM
Quote
He said that they beat a mediocre Down team by a point, and that's a fact.

That they beat Down by a point is a fact, that Down in 2010 were mediocre is an opinion.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: sheamy on July 27, 2011, 11:35:46 AM
Quote
He said that they beat a mediocre Down team by a point, and that's a fact.

That they beat Down by a point is a fact, that Down in 2010 were mediocre is an opinion.

true
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: sheamy on July 27, 2011, 11:50:15 AM
What's a modern approach go the game though?

god knows! Can't believe I'm trying to explain what I think the wee bollix is saying but here goes...

Guessing at brolly's definition by following his ramblings, I think what he means is your defenders are also attackers as they are essential to breaking down a blanket defence e.g. marc and tomas o'se, jordan, harte and mcmenamim for tyrone. Total football if you like and gave the example of Joe McMahon joining the attack to score a 'square ball' goal V Armagh from full back. McMahon is equally comfortable at half forward as he would be at full back. Justin McMahon is the same. Cork don't have players like that, or so he maintains.

He stated that if anyone ties up Corks front two then they run around laterally handpassing etc and in general going nowhere like 75% of the dubs game from last year. Very like my own county only teams like Cork have a higher number of good footballers and so eventually 'bore' their way through. He stated that only lazy tackling for the penalty and subsequent frees cost Dublin that game. I can only assume he means that Dublin were modern in their approach.

His central point seemed to be that Cork's defenders couldn't also play as attackers - a fact which Davis was proud of and stated 'in his day he wasn't allowed to cross the half way line' blah blah. He seems to have the same warped view of history as Spillourke as I remember Davis clearly opening the scoring in the '93 final with a superb point from 40 yards.

Anyway, I think it's all balls. The team with the best footballers usually wins the AI in my view. Cork have more better footballers than most, as do Kerry and Tyrone.

Joe's world view is that Tyrone combine method with talent better than Kerry and so beat them in every serious occasion they met since 2003. Kerry tried to copy them and did so quite successfully but could never master them. Tyrone copied it from Armagh and did it better. Blah, blah, blah...

Dublin have some footballers but punch above their footballing ability total due to 'modern' methods which mainly focus around playing a basketball defence like Donegal - another team styled like Dublin having a certain amount of good players with the majority journey men and 'drones' as Joe calls them. 
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 27, 2011, 12:00:23 PM
Joe's world view is that Tyrone combine method with talent better than Kerry and so beat them in every serious occasion they met since 1993 1986. Kerry tried to copy them and did so quite successfully but could never master them. Tyrone copied it from Armagh and did it better.

We're aiming for our quarter-century this year!  ;)
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: sheamy on July 27, 2011, 12:02:09 PM
Joe's world view is that Tyrone combine method with talent better than Kerry and so beat them in every serious occasion they met since 1993 1986. Kerry tried to copy them and did so quite successfully but could never master them. Tyrone copied it from Armagh and did it better.

We're aiming for our quarter-century this year!  ;)
twas typo...amended now but you have a point :-)
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: stibhan on July 27, 2011, 12:07:52 PM
Brolly being the talented QC that he is
Brolly isn't a QC, but GAA fans seem to be constantly fascinated by mixing up the terms barrister and Queen's Counsel. There is a significant difference.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Zulu on July 27, 2011, 12:14:27 PM
I'm heading home for the quater finals so I'll get to all the teams bar Dublin and ill get a better appreciation of how teams play but I think cork do play a very modern game. Their midfielders and half backs get forward repeatedly and they mix the possession game with fast delivery quite well. Counihan isn't the greatest tactician in the world but I don't think cork play thoughtless football, though I agree they aren't maximising their potential.

On the brolly/Davis thing, I think Brolly is a decent analyst of modern football while Davis is woeful and unable to get across a coherent opinion.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: borderfox on July 27, 2011, 12:55:03 PM
Davis is so boring and usually steers clear of criticizing any team no matter how bad they have been. Hes the Gary Lineker of the GAA world utterly boring with no edge whatsoever to his 'punditry'. Davis and Martin Carney are easily the worst pundits/ commentators in the country. Even Mark Sidebottom is better than these two.
At least Brolly has the balls to say something controversial and can usually back it up.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: From the Bunker on July 27, 2011, 01:14:22 PM
Davis is so boring and usually steers clear of criticizing any team no matter how bad they have been. Hes the Gary Lineker of the GAA world utterly boring with no edge whatsoever to his 'punditry'. Davis and Martin Carney are easily the worst pundits/ commentators in the country. Even Mark Sidebottom is better than these two.
At least Brolly has the balls to say something controversial and can usually back it up.

Lineker is a presenter (not an analyst), presenters usually sit on a fence.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Louth Exile on July 27, 2011, 03:23:07 PM
His central point seemed to be that Cork's defenders couldn't also play as attackers - a fact which Davis was proud of and stated 'in his day he wasn't allowed to cross the half way line' blah blah. He seems to have the same warped view of history as Spillourke as I remember Davis clearly opening the scoring in the '93 final with a superb point from 40 yards.

Correct and right  :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL5dJsWeqkI

Looking back at the 93 final, I can see where Brolly might be getting the basis for his philosophy that your midfield and half backs should be contributing to the attack and its not necessarily from the "modern game". The Derry midfield both scored from play, Henry Downey scored, Gary Coleman got forward to hit the post and Johnny Mc Guirk scored off both feet, including that famous one off the left peg at the end. That's numbers 5-9 contributing five points from play in an AI final, while Brolly only scored one himself!!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: sheamy on July 27, 2011, 04:03:41 PM
His central point seemed to be that Cork's defenders couldn't also play as attackers - a fact which Davis was proud of and stated 'in his day he wasn't allowed to cross the half way line' blah blah. He seems to have the same warped view of history as Spillourke as I remember Davis clearly opening the scoring in the '93 final with a superb point from 40 yards.

Correct and right  :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL5dJsWeqkI

Looking back at the 93 final, I can see where Brolly might be getting the basis for his philosophy that your midfield and half backs should be contributing to the attack and its not necessarily from the "modern game". The Derry midfield both scored from play, Henry Downey scored, Gary Coleman got forward to hit the post and Johnny Mc Guirk scored off both feet, including that famous one off the left peg at the end. That's numbers 5-9 contributing five points from play in an AI final, while Brolly only scored one himself!!

Also note there that as well as half backs all attacking (like the ones you mention), many half forwards were defending (dermot heaney for derry, barry coffey and don davis for cork etc) and that was only 1 min of footage that I looked at.

There's alot of shite talked these days about systems and stuff. I think the only thing that really changed was that teams now systematically channel players back and get closer to their full back lines i.e. blanket defence.

This clip shows that nearly 20 years ago forwards defended and defenders attacked. It also highlights just how much utter crap the likes of Davis, Spillane and O'Rourke (Spillourke for short as they blend into one sometimes) spout on tv. Spillane used to pick the ball up on his own 20 yard line more often than not. RTE should have a cull of these clowns.

Brolly should watch this himself to see the facts you correctly point out. I think he believes Tyrone and Armagh invented the game of gaelic football in the noughties.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: mckieran on July 27, 2011, 06:32:20 PM
Is there anywhere to watch the Brolly/Davis spat?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: AFS on July 27, 2011, 06:44:58 PM
Is there anywhere to watch the Brolly/Davis spat?

www.rte.ie/player/
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: muppet on July 27, 2011, 06:48:00 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYyE4RhUQdw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYyE4RhUQdw)

Watch the first minute of this and watch defenders who attacked. The first score is set up by Cork full back Mark O'Conner the second scored by Mayo CHB James Nallen.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Denn Forever on July 27, 2011, 06:50:58 PM
Is there anywhere to watch the Brolly/Davis spat?

www.rte.ie/player/

About an hour in.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on July 27, 2011, 06:56:30 PM
Some posters probably don't know the story of what happened Davis that week imho he deserves great credit for even lining out.

I wouldn't have been there if it were me.

What is it?

nobody gonna say what this was? a pm will do rightly
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Mike Sheehy on July 27, 2011, 08:21:04 PM
Is there anywhere to watch the Brolly/Davis spat?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OJjwzrfeR (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OJjwzrfeR)
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: gerry on July 27, 2011, 09:51:59 PM
Is there anywhere to watch the Brolly/Davis spat?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OJjwzrfeR4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OJjwzrfeR4)
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Louth Exile on July 28, 2011, 10:34:32 AM
Is there anywhere to watch the Brolly/Davis spat?

www.rte.ie/player/

About an hour in.

I watched again on Monday, Ithink its about 1.27 in, just after wee James
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Chris agus Snoop on July 29, 2011, 11:00:46 AM
Brolly being the talented QC that he is, outmanuevered the hapless Davis,
he said the article was taken out of context but the original article in gaelic life was far more insulting than the extracts on the examiner.
 Davis failed to call him on it.
Brolly also wants to be an honourary kerry man his sycophancy towards them is cringe worthy.
 And Cork half backs scored more than kerry HBs in the last 2 years.

What's insulting? Please detail these grevious insults.

If you call a man a c**t it might be insulting. Calling a system of play 'primative' is hardly insulting. His basis thesis is that if Cork adopted a more 'modern' system of play which didn't rely so heavily on the two guys on the inside line, they'd be near unbeatable. The fact that they win playing what Brolly terms 'primative' football where they 'bore' their way through teams should be taken as a complement as to how good they could be. His basic point is that Cork are winning despite themselves. He said that they beat a mediocre Down team by a point, and that's a fact.

As usual people just latch onto any word like 'primative' and run away making their own stories up. I'm not fan of Brolly as a pundit but he is correct in this case (imo). Anyone taking offence needs to step back and think about what he said and wrote. Don't also forget that he will embelish the words for dramatic effect. If he said 'traditional' instead of 'primative' would the offence be as great? It's also his own objective view which he is paid to present. Noone should take it too seriously, amateur or not.


Did you read the original article or not? If you you did you would see that the whole thing was in a mocking insulting tone, there was nothing constructive
in it. Read it and see.
Brolly was in a debate with Donal og Cusack about the GPA in the cork opera house a few months ago by all accounts Donal ran rings around him, Brolly is all bluster no substance.

Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Chris agus Snoop on July 29, 2011, 11:03:24 AM
Brolly being the talented QC that he is, outmanuevered the hapless Davis,
he said the article was taken out of context but the original article in gaelic life was far more insulting than the extracts on the examiner.
 Davis failed to call him on it.
Brolly also wants to be an honourary kerry man his sycophancy towards them is cringe worthy.
And Cork half backs scored more than kerry HBs in the last 2 years.
is that made up or can you back it up - I honestly don't know, it's just that since pauld kindly provided some stats on Cork half back scoring, i'd like to see figures from now on.
League and championship separate of course and number of games played will also be essential.


http://eircomsports.eircom.net/News/Stats-that-July-28.aspx

Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: blewuporstuffed on July 29, 2011, 11:09:34 AM
those stats are incorrect aswell as tyrone scored 1-02 from their defence against armagh, not 1-01
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: sheamy on July 29, 2011, 12:13:43 PM
Brolly being the talented QC that he is, outmanuevered the hapless Davis,
he said the article was taken out of context but the original article in gaelic life was far more insulting than the extracts on the examiner.
 Davis failed to call him on it.
Brolly also wants to be an honourary kerry man his sycophancy towards them is cringe worthy.
 And Cork half backs scored more than kerry HBs in the last 2 years.

What's insulting? Please detail these grevious insults.

If you call a man a c**t it might be insulting. Calling a system of play 'primative' is hardly insulting. His basis thesis is that if Cork adopted a more 'modern' system of play which didn't rely so heavily on the two guys on the inside line, they'd be near unbeatable. The fact that they win playing what Brolly terms 'primative' football where they 'bore' their way through teams should be taken as a complement as to how good they could be. His basic point is that Cork are winning despite themselves. He said that they beat a mediocre Down team by a point, and that's a fact.

As usual people just latch onto any word like 'primative' and run away making their own stories up. I'm not fan of Brolly as a pundit but he is correct in this case (imo). Anyone taking offence needs to step back and think about what he said and wrote. Don't also forget that he will embelish the words for dramatic effect. If he said 'traditional' instead of 'primative' would the offence be as great? It's also his own objective view which he is paid to present. Noone should take it too seriously, amateur or not.


Did you read the original article or not? If you you did you would see that the whole thing was in a mocking insulting tone, there was nothing constructive
in it. Read it and see.
Brolly was in a debate with Donal og Cusack about the GPA in the cork opera house a few months ago by all accounts Donal ran rings around him, Brolly is all bluster no substance.

Yes, I did read it and is why I said "Don't also forget that he will embelish the words for dramatic effect". My post was attempting to explain what I thought was the rationale behind what he was saying from a football point of view. He is a media figure and will use language to wind people up. Part of the terriority. It's also an objective opinion and not to be taken seriously. It's opinion, not fact. Anyone taking grave offence at that needs to grow up. Glad Donal Og got his way. There would probably have been some class of a strike had he not.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: borderfox on July 29, 2011, 12:16:02 PM
Brolly being the talented QC that he is, outmanuevered the hapless Davis,
he said the article was taken out of context but the original article in gaelic life was far more insulting than the extracts on the examiner.
 Davis failed to call him on it.
Brolly also wants to be an honourary kerry man his sycophancy towards them is cringe worthy.
 And Cork half backs scored more than kerry HBs in the last 2 years.

What's insulting? Please detail these grevious insults.

If you call a man a c**t it might be insulting. Calling a system of play 'primative' is hardly insulting. His basis thesis is that if Cork adopted a more 'modern' system of play which didn't rely so heavily on the two guys on the inside line, they'd be near unbeatable. The fact that they win playing what Brolly terms 'primative' football where they 'bore' their way through teams should be taken as a complement as to how good they could be. His basic point is that Cork are winning despite themselves. He said that they beat a mediocre Down team by a point, and that's a fact.

As usual people just latch onto any word like 'primative' and run away making their own stories up. I'm not fan of Brolly as a pundit but he is correct in this case (imo). Anyone taking offence needs to step back and think about what he said and wrote. Don't also forget that he will embelish the words for dramatic effect. If he said 'traditional' instead of 'primative' would the offence be as great? It's also his own objective view which he is paid to present. Noone should take it too seriously, amateur or not.


Did you read the original article or not? If you you did you would see that the whole thing was in a mocking insulting tone, there was nothing constructive
in it. Read it and see.
Brolly was in a debate with Donal og Cusack about the GPA in the cork opera house a few months ago by all accounts Donal ran rings around him, Brolly is all bluster no substance.

Yes, I did read it and is why I said "Don't also forget that he will embelish the words for dramatic effect". My post was attempting to explain what I thought was the rationale behind what he was saying from a football point of view. He is a media figure and will use language to wind people up. Part of the terriority. It's also an objective opinion and not to be taken seriously. It's opinion, not fact. Anyone taking grave offence at that needs to grow up. Glad Donal Og got his way. There would probably have been some class of a strike had he not.
   :D
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Bogball XV on July 29, 2011, 12:39:15 PM
those stats are incorrect aswell as tyrone scored 1-02 from their defence against armagh, not 1-01
easy mistake to make, seeing s o'neill scored 0.1 you'd just presume it was stephen.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: magpie seanie on July 29, 2011, 03:40:52 PM
Brolly being the talented QC that he is, outmanuevered the hapless Davis,
he said the article was taken out of context but the original article in gaelic life was far more insulting than the extracts on the examiner.
 Davis failed to call him on it.
Brolly also wants to be an honourary kerry man his sycophancy towards them is cringe worthy.
 And Cork half backs scored more than kerry HBs in the last 2 years.

What's insulting? Please detail these grevious insults.

If you call a man a c**t it might be insulting. Calling a system of play 'primative' is hardly insulting. His basis thesis is that if Cork adopted a more 'modern' system of play which didn't rely so heavily on the two guys on the inside line, they'd be near unbeatable. The fact that they win playing what Brolly terms 'primative' football where they 'bore' their way through teams should be taken as a complement as to how good they could be. His basic point is that Cork are winning despite themselves. He said that they beat a mediocre Down team by a point, and that's a fact.

As usual people just latch onto any word like 'primative' and run away making their own stories up. I'm not fan of Brolly as a pundit but he is correct in this case (imo). Anyone taking offence needs to step back and think about what he said and wrote. Don't also forget that he will embelish the words for dramatic effect. If he said 'traditional' instead of 'primative' would the offence be as great? It's also his own objective view which he is paid to present. Noone should take it too seriously, amateur or not.


Did you read the original article or not? If you you did you would see that the whole thing was in a mocking insulting tone, there was nothing constructive
in it. Read it and see.
Brolly was in a debate with Donal og Cusack about the GPA in the cork opera house a few months ago by all accounts Donal ran rings around him, Brolly is all bluster no substance.


Its amazing Brolly makes a living at being a barrister. Maybe the intellectual powerhouse that is Donal Óg should give up trying to get paid for playing hurling and get into the legal game as he's sure to be better than Brolly at that. We could get the audience in the Cork Opera House to be the jury in any case he tries!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Chris agus Snoop on July 29, 2011, 05:24:31 PM
Brolly being the talented QC that he is, outmanuevered the hapless Davis,
he said the article was taken out of context but the original article in gaelic life was far more insulting than the extracts on the examiner.
 Davis failed to call him on it.
Brolly also wants to be an honourary kerry man his sycophancy towards them is cringe worthy.
 And Cork half backs scored more than kerry HBs in the last 2 years.

What's insulting? Please detail these grevious insults.

If you call a man a c**t it might be insulting. Calling a system of play 'primative' is hardly insulting. His basis thesis is that if Cork adopted a more 'modern' system of play which didn't rely so heavily on the two guys on the inside line, they'd be near unbeatable. The fact that they win playing what Brolly terms 'primative' football where they 'bore' their way through teams should be taken as a complement as to how good they could be. His basic point is that Cork are winning despite themselves. He said that they beat a mediocre Down team by a point, and that's a fact.

As usual people just latch onto any word like 'primative' and run away making their own stories up. I'm not fan of Brolly as a pundit but he is correct in this case (imo). Anyone taking offence needs to step back and think about what he said and wrote. Don't also forget that he will embelish the words for dramatic effect. If he said 'traditional' instead of 'primative' would the offence be as great? It's also his own objective view which he is paid to present. Noone should take it too seriously, amateur or not.


Did you read the original article or not? If you you did you would see that the whole thing was in a mocking insulting tone, there was nothing constructive
in it. Read it and see.
Brolly was in a debate with Donal og Cusack about the GPA in the cork opera house a few months ago by all accounts Donal ran rings around him, Brolly is all bluster no substance.

Yes, I did read it and is why I said "Don't also forget that he will embelish the words for dramatic effect". My post was attempting to explain what I thought was the rationale behind what he was saying from a football point of view. He is a media figure and will use language to wind people up. Part of the terriority. It's also an objective opinion and not to be taken seriously. It's opinion, not fact. Anyone taking grave offence at that needs to grow up. Glad Donal Og got his way. There would probably have been some class of a strike had he not.

Youre right, its not to be taken seriously because it was a load of balls.
Cusack sent Brolly back to derry with his tail between his legs and now he fires pot shots at cork from the safety of his newspaper!
What happened to Tohill this year, did the Kerry mafia take him out? At least there was one good pundit from Derry.





Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Mike Sheehy on July 29, 2011, 08:13:28 PM
Brolly being the talented QC that he is, outmanuevered the hapless Davis,
he said the article was taken out of context but the original article in gaelic life was far more insulting than the extracts on the examiner.
 Davis failed to call him on it.
Brolly also wants to be an honourary kerry man his sycophancy towards them is cringe worthy.
 And Cork half backs scored more than kerry HBs in the last 2 years.

What's insulting? Please detail these grevious insults.

If you call a man a c**t it might be insulting. Calling a system of play 'primative' is hardly insulting. His basis thesis is that if Cork adopted a more 'modern' system of play which didn't rely so heavily on the two guys on the inside line, they'd be near unbeatable. The fact that they win playing what Brolly terms 'primative' football where they 'bore' their way through teams should be taken as a complement as to how good they could be. His basic point is that Cork are winning despite themselves. He said that they beat a mediocre Down team by a point, and that's a fact.

As usual people just latch onto any word like 'primative' and run away making their own stories up. I'm not fan of Brolly as a pundit but he is correct in this case (imo). Anyone taking offence needs to step back and think about what he said and wrote. Don't also forget that he will embelish the words for dramatic effect. If he said 'traditional' instead of 'primative' would the offence be as great? It's also his own objective view which he is paid to present. Noone should take it too seriously, amateur or not.


Did you read the original article or not? If you you did you would see that the whole thing was in a mocking insulting tone, there was nothing constructive
in it. Read it and see.
Brolly was in a debate with Donal og Cusack about the GPA in the cork opera house a few months ago by all accounts Donal ran rings around him, Brolly is all bluster no substance.

Yes, I did read it and is why I said "Don't also forget that he will embelish the words for dramatic effect". My post was attempting to explain what I thought was the rationale behind what he was saying from a football point of view. He is a media figure and will use language to wind people up. Part of the terriority. It's also an objective opinion and not to be taken seriously. It's opinion, not fact. Anyone taking grave offence at that needs to grow up. Glad Donal Og got his way. There would probably have been some class of a strike had he not.

Youre right, its not to be taken seriously because it was a load of balls.
Cusack sent Brolly back to derry with his tail between his legs and now he fires pot shots at cork from the safety of his newspaper!
What happened to Tohill this year, did the Kerry mafia take him out? At least there was one good pundit from Derry.

Dont be sore at us just because your lad got his arse handed to him by Brolly .... you Cork lads are just powder puffs when it comes to the crunch, whether its football or punditry !
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Louth Exile on July 31, 2011, 09:51:09 PM
The Cork half back line truly showed up Brolly to be wrong by scoring 100% of their second half total today  ;)  :D
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 31, 2011, 10:06:20 PM
Is there anywhere to watch the Brolly/Davis spat?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OJjwzrfeR4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OJjwzrfeR4)

O thats funny stuff, thanks for putting that up, hadn't seen it.

But the quote of the clip had to be "I've no doubht we have Cork and Kerry playing again." EGG  ;D
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 31, 2011, 10:09:01 PM
O wait I should have watched the full way through.

Brolly: "they will wipe the floor with Mayo" x2
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Hardy on July 31, 2011, 10:22:43 PM
Am I hallucinating or did  just hear McStay saying (twice) that when the ball comes back off the post, the attacker is ONSIDE ? ? ? I must be. Otherwise this is the most lunatic thing I've ever heard a GAA pundit say, leaving Tommy Lyons and his gain line in the shade.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Hoof Hearted on July 31, 2011, 10:25:53 PM
Am I hallucinating or did  just hear McStay saying (twice) that when the ball comes back off the post, the attacker is ONSIDE ? ? ? I must be. Otherwise this is the most lunatic thing I've ever heard a GAA pundit say, leaving Tommy Lyons and his gain line in the shade.

he certainly did, i noticed it in the live commentary earlier. he said "as such" the end of it.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Radda bout yeee on July 31, 2011, 10:28:56 PM
McGuinness dead right! mcgeeney was stuck!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Hardy on July 31, 2011, 10:33:18 PM
Am I hallucinating or did  just hear McStay saying (twice) that when the ball comes back off the post, the attacker is ONSIDE ? ? ? I must be. Otherwise this is the most lunatic thing I've ever heard a GAA pundit say, leaving Tommy Lyons and his gain line in the shade.

he certainly did, i noticed it in the live commentary earlier. he said "as such" the end of it.

I noticed that, OK. What does "as such" mean?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: EagleLord on July 31, 2011, 10:41:42 PM
Why has Harte refused to talk to the Sunday Game for ages now?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: hardstation on July 31, 2011, 10:42:10 PM
McGuinness dead right! mcgeeney was stuck!
Was like a child at school caught without his homework done.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: hardstation on July 31, 2011, 10:43:29 PM
Why has Harte refused to talk to the Sunday Game for ages now?
A crass sketch about him on RTE radio a while ago.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Overthebar! on July 31, 2011, 10:47:43 PM
Fair play to McGeeney there in the post match interview. Can't see what Donegal are crying about, no angels themselves which McGeeney touched on with his comment about what some of the Donegal players said to him after the game.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Radda bout yeee on July 31, 2011, 10:47:58 PM
McGuinness dead right! mcgeeney was stuck!
Was like a child at school caught without his homework done.

LMAO! i loved the south aramgh response - he's knows were i'm at!!!! lol its a wonder he didn't say we know were jim lives!!!!! lol
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: hardstation on July 31, 2011, 10:49:27 PM
What do you mean fair play to him? He near shit his pants.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: EagleLord on July 31, 2011, 10:53:02 PM
He was very fumbly and stuttery in response alright!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Stevie g 8 on July 31, 2011, 10:54:16 PM
Mc geeney spoke well and kept his dignity when asked such a stupid question
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: EagleLord on July 31, 2011, 10:56:45 PM
Aye to be fair, he did hold back when he said about what players said to him after the game, being a man about it and didnt yap about it. And sayin 'he knows where I am if he wants to talk to me' Class!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: hardstation on July 31, 2011, 10:57:52 PM
Mc geeney spoke well and kept his dignity when asked such a stupid question
Spoke well? How long did it take him to get a proper sentence out?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Stevie g 8 on July 31, 2011, 11:10:19 PM
Mc geeney spoke well and kept his dignity when asked such a stupid question
Spoke well? How long did it take him to get a proper sentence out?
He was put in the spot with and had to be careful how he answered it,he ovbiously didn't want to cut loose and come across as a bad loser
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Overthebar! on July 31, 2011, 11:12:05 PM
Think we know who the culprit is  :D

http://www.sportsfile.com/id/541833/
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 31, 2011, 11:42:09 PM
Anyone got any links to recordings of tonights sunday game, would love to see it.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Throw ball on August 01, 2011, 12:37:32 AM
McGuinness dead right! mcgeeney was stuck!

Mcgeeney was only stuck as he didn't want to come across as a bad loser. McGuiness was doing exactly the same as he was accusing Kildare of doing - playing the media. All this how we were not the dirty team and how the referee did so well with this extra pressure. All he is trying to do is suck up to the referees so his team might get a few more 50:50 decisions the next day out. Pot and kettle if you ask me.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on August 01, 2011, 12:41:18 AM
He was very fumbly and stuttery in response alright!

Yeah I was a bit surprised at that.
Never would have happened back in the days when he had a proper haircut.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: mckieran on August 01, 2011, 01:22:42 AM
Anybody have a link to the article they were referring to?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: sheamy on August 01, 2011, 07:30:48 AM
Why should he not highlight it [persistent fouling] in the media? Should he trust referees given the decisions that have gone against Kildare?!!!

McGuinness said they don't coach and tell their players to systematically foul. That's just plain old telling lies. He should get off his high horse. I've seen more whinging from him on the Sunday Game this year than any other manager.

McGeeney was a gent afterwards in light of the goal which would have put them six up and game over. Yes, the leak on the subject was an attempt to draw the referees attention to it but sure if you weren't gonna do it Jim, what's the issue?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: EC Unique on August 01, 2011, 09:34:06 AM
McGuinness showed his lack of experience last night and let himself down. Came accross very badly. I hope Tyrone beat Dublin so we get a chance set the record straigh and send him up the road.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: orangeman on August 01, 2011, 10:37:26 AM
Jim would have been better saying nothing in the immediate aftermath of the game.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: whiskeysteve on August 01, 2011, 10:57:35 AM
would hesitate to agree with the last 2 comments. you have to remember the man runs a psychology consultancy, fair enough that can be a lot of spoof and bullshittery, but the point is he would be constantly thinking about the mind games with his team, other teams and the press.

I reckon Jim has been trying a create a siege mentality with donegal this year and has been quite successful in doing so. his comments at the weekend are a further extension of this. he will not give a damn (more or less) about how he comes across if he continues to promote this mentality.

I would have to say that Donegals mental strength has been their most impressive asset this year. Saying as this is more or less the same group of players that have crumbled at time in the past I think its obvious that the panel has bought 100% into Jims approach this year, so credit to him for that.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Doogie Browser on August 01, 2011, 10:58:50 AM
I thought he was going to cry!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Hardy on August 01, 2011, 11:36:03 AM
It was an interesting contrast in post-game demeanour, OK. You expect an ould whinge from the beaten manager, not the winner. McGeeney was the essence of sportsmanship.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: imtommygunn on August 01, 2011, 11:44:34 AM
That kind of sh*t being put into the media is bang out of order and nothing but mind games to influence referees and personally I think he's right to highlight this. Referees get enough pressure without this rubbish.

Alex Ferguson and Jose Mourinho have brought this sh*t into soccer and personally I think, in the amateur or professional game, it's a disgrace.  It is more of a disgrace in an amateur game but in my view it has no place in either.

McGeeney did well after not being sure what to say and I don't think it was him peddling this anyway.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: magpie seanie on August 01, 2011, 01:41:02 PM
It was an interesting contrast in post-game demeanour, OK. You expect an ould whinge from the beaten manager, not the winner. McGeeney was the essence of sportsmanship.


Imagine Donegal people whinging - how rare!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Armaghgael on August 01, 2011, 01:47:07 PM
Think we know who the culprit is  :D

http://www.sportsfile.com/id/541833/

Pure mouth!! Hope they go no further!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: tbrick18 on August 01, 2011, 01:52:34 PM
Think we know who the culprit is  :D

http://www.sportsfile.com/id/541833/

Pure mouth!! Hope they go no further!

What was said or what do you mean by this? Anyone know what was said to McGeeney?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Doogie Browser on August 01, 2011, 01:53:01 PM
I don't like this goading of the opposition after a victory, lacks class.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on August 01, 2011, 02:09:10 PM
"Hey Geezer, you've plenty of time to get that hair cut now!"
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: borderfox on August 01, 2011, 02:25:11 PM
McGuinness didnt like Kildare talking to the media so he goes and talks to RTE about it.Tinge of  Hypocrisy there methinks.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: J70 on August 01, 2011, 02:31:55 PM
McGuinness didnt like Kildare talking to the media so he goes and talks to RTE about it.Tinge of  Hypocrisy there methinks.

How is it hypocritical to complain (after the match is over) about the Kildare selector trying to use the media to influence the referee?

If McGuinness had tried to use media mind games beforehand and then complained about Kildare doing the same, then yes, that would indeed be hypocritical.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on August 01, 2011, 02:44:22 PM
McGuinness didnt like Kildare talking to the media so he goes and talks to RTE about it.Tinge of  Hypocrisy there methinks.

Youthinks wrong.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Link on August 01, 2011, 02:49:44 PM
Can the sunday game be watched online in the north? Missed it last night!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: J70 on August 01, 2011, 02:52:26 PM
Can the sunday game be watched online in the north? Missed it last night!

I think its the island of Ireland only until Wednesday night. Rest of the world after that.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: sheamy on August 01, 2011, 02:58:54 PM
McGuinness didnt like Kildare talking to the media so he goes and talks to RTE about it.Tinge of  Hypocrisy there methinks.

Correct. They all use the media. Jimmy has used it from day one. He had a new panto villain every week. Baker Bradley, Pat Spillane etc etc.

Every time you make statements or give interviews to journalists you are using the media. The rest is only subject. As long as there are no personal attacks on private lives of the opposition, or talking about things outside of football, then all is fair game.

Some managers highlight things to try and lure opponents into a false sense of security. Some on a tactic used by the opposition like a diagonal ball. No different than highlighting the Donegal tactic of fouling round the middle of the pitch. Anyway, good job noone is talking about it now and it obviously hasn't worked! Well, worked for Kildare. A Mickey Harte plot perhaps?  :D

Sure McGeeney spoke out after the Derry game that Doyle was being targetting by teams for rough treatment. How is that any different? I didn't see anyone jumping up and down then. That was obviously an attempt to get refs onside to an issue as well. All managers do this. McGuinness should get off his high horse along with anyone else taking offence. As WhiskeySteve pointed out this is nothing but an attempt to build seige mentality. Fair play as well. It's entertaining if not a little laughable at times. Noone should take it seriously though.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Link on August 01, 2011, 03:00:49 PM
Can the sunday game be watched online in the north? Missed it last night!

I think its the island of Ireland only until Wednesday night. Rest of the world after that.

Cheers, i'll try it here again now!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 01, 2011, 03:23:15 PM
Can the sunday game be watched online in the north? Missed it last night!

I think its the island of Ireland only until Wednesday night. Rest of the world after that.

Cheers, i'll try it here again now!

Cheers I'll catch it wednesday so, can't wait.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Armaghgael on August 01, 2011, 10:03:37 PM
Think we know who the culprit is  :D

http://www.sportsfile.com/id/541833/

Pure mouth!! Hope they go no further!

What was said or what do you mean by this? Anyone know what was said to McGeeney?

You dont taunt a rival manger after a victory and it shows how much respect for the oppoistion Murphy had. NONE!. The sooner their out the better!!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on August 01, 2011, 10:27:57 PM
How do you know he was taunting him?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Armaghgael on August 01, 2011, 10:45:15 PM
How do you know he was taunting him?

It has been posted that a player said something to Geezer after the game(Which their was no call for) he hardly said "Well Kieran any winners at Galway?"
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Cosmo Kramer on August 01, 2011, 11:22:04 PM
Can the sunday game be watched online in the north? Missed it last night!

I think its the island of Ireland only until Wednesday night. Rest of the world after that.

Cheers, i'll try it here again now!

Cheers I'll catch it wednesday so, can't wait.

Some Mayo related Sunday Game clips from the weekend.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfdxS0CvjC0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfdxS0CvjC0)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgKrctUQDPU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgKrctUQDPU)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIoUEoVCmX0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIoUEoVCmX0)
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: reddgnhand on August 01, 2011, 11:24:18 PM
How do you know he was taunting him?

It has been posted that a player said something to Geezer after the game(Which their was no call for) he hardly said "Well Kieran any winners at Galway?"

How do you know whats going on in that photo?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Armaghgael on August 01, 2011, 11:29:02 PM
It has been posted several times already!!!!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: borderfox on August 01, 2011, 11:35:15 PM
McGuinness didnt like Kildare talking to the media so he goes and talks to RTE about it.Tinge of  Hypocrisy there methinks.

Correct. They all use the media. Jimmy has used it from day one. He had a new panto villain every week. Baker Bradley, Pat Spillane etc etc.

Every time you make statements or give interviews to journalists you are using the media. The rest is only subject. As long as there are no personal attacks on private lives of the opposition, or talking about things outside of football, then all is fair game.

Some managers highlight things to try and lure opponents into a false sense of security. Some on a tactic used by the opposition like a diagonal ball. No different than highlighting the Donegal tactic of fouling round the middle of the pitch. Anyway, good job noone is talking about it now and it obviously hasn't worked! Well, worked for Kildare. A Mickey Harte plot perhaps?  :D

Sure McGeeney spoke out after the Derry game that Doyle was being targetting by teams for rough treatment. How is that any different? I didn't see anyone jumping up and down then. That was obviously an attempt to get refs onside to an issue as well. All managers do this. McGuinness should get off his high horse along with anyone else taking offence. As WhiskeySteve pointed out this is nothing but an attempt to build seige mentality. Fair play as well. It's entertaining if not a little laughable at times. Noone should take it seriously though.

Correct Sheamy totally agree. McGuinness could of been classy about it and not mentioned it to the media afterwards. It gave Donegal an edge during the game which they won, no need to bring it into the public domain afterwards .At least McGeeney was gracious in defeat.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: reddgnhand on August 01, 2011, 11:53:53 PM
McGuinness didnt like Kildare talking to the media so he goes and talks to RTE about it.Tinge of  Hypocrisy there methinks.

Correct. They all use the media. Jimmy has used it from day one. He had a new panto villain every week. Baker Bradley, Pat Spillane etc etc.

Every time you make statements or give interviews to journalists you are using the media. The rest is only subject. As long as there are no personal attacks on private lives of the opposition, or talking about things outside of football, then all is fair game.

Some managers highlight things to try and lure opponents into a false sense of security. Some on a tactic used by the opposition like a diagonal ball. No different than highlighting the Donegal tactic of fouling round the middle of the pitch. Anyway, good job noone is talking about it now and it obviously hasn't worked! Well, worked for Kildare. A Mickey Harte plot perhaps?  :D

Sure McGeeney spoke out after the Derry game that Doyle was being targetting by teams for rough treatment. How is that any different? I didn't see anyone jumping up and down then. That was obviously an attempt to get refs onside to an issue as well. All managers do this. McGuinness should get off his high horse along with anyone else taking offence. As WhiskeySteve pointed out this is nothing but an attempt to build seige mentality. Fair play as well. It's entertaining if not a little laughable at times. Noone should take it seriously though.

Correct Sheamy totally agree. McGuinness could of been classy about it and not mentioned it to the media afterwards. It gave Donegal an edge during the game which they won, no need to bring it into the public domain afterwards .At least McGeeney was gracious in defeat.

To be fair to McGuinness the adrenalin was still going and i've no doubt he will regret bringing the matter up in front of the camera. I thought McGeeney handled it very well and accepted defeat in the proper manner.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: J70 on August 01, 2011, 11:54:56 PM
McGuinness didnt like Kildare talking to the media so he goes and talks to RTE about it.Tinge of  Hypocrisy there methinks.

Correct. They all use the media. Jimmy has used it from day one. He had a new panto villain every week. Baker Bradley, Pat Spillane etc etc.

Every time you make statements or give interviews to journalists you are using the media. The rest is only subject. As long as there are no personal attacks on private lives of the opposition, or talking about things outside of football, then all is fair game.

Some managers highlight things to try and lure opponents into a false sense of security. Some on a tactic used by the opposition like a diagonal ball. No different than highlighting the Donegal tactic of fouling round the middle of the pitch. Anyway, good job noone is talking about it now and it obviously hasn't worked! Well, worked for Kildare. A Mickey Harte plot perhaps?  :D

Sure McGeeney spoke out after the Derry game that Doyle was being targetting by teams for rough treatment. How is that any different? I didn't see anyone jumping up and down then. That was obviously an attempt to get refs onside to an issue as well. All managers do this. McGuinness should get off his high horse along with anyone else taking offence. As WhiskeySteve pointed out this is nothing but an attempt to build seige mentality. Fair play as well. It's entertaining if not a little laughable at times. Noone should take it seriously though.

Correct Sheamy totally agree. McGuinness could of been classy about it and not mentioned it to the media afterwards. It gave Donegal an edge during the game which they won, no need to bring it into the public domain afterwards .At least McGeeney was gracious in defeat.

It was al over the papers before the game. Kildare put this stuff in the public domain, not McGuinness. f**k it, McGuinness has a bunch of players who would die for the jersey. Do you not think his public defense of his players helps foster that attitude?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: borderfox on August 02, 2011, 12:05:16 AM
Look I have nothing against Donegal or Jim McGuinness for that matter. In fact i was delighted to see Donegal win. All I'm saying is I think he would of been better served keeping it to himself. Donegal used it to their advantage out on the field, No need to tell the media about it all afterwards the game was over.
To be honest id be suprised if McGeeney even knew about to be honest. His reaction says it all.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: reddgnhand on August 02, 2011, 12:10:09 AM
Look I have nothing against Donegal or Jim McGuinness for that matter. In fact i was delighted to see Donegal win. All I'm saying is I think he would of been better served keeping it to himself. Donegal used it to their advantage out on the field, No need to tell the media about it all afterwards the game was over.
To be honest id be suprised if McGeeney even knew about to be honest. His reaction says it all.

Would agree with that. McGeeney seemed confused during the interview and i'm quite sure he knew nothing about the story.   
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: J70 on August 02, 2011, 02:06:21 AM
Whether or not he came up with or even just approved of the idea of the media plug on the cynical fouling, I find it impossible to believe that McGeeney knew nothing about it.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: sheamy on August 02, 2011, 11:21:40 AM
Brolly: No pleasure in Cork ‘I told you so’
By John Fogarty

Tuesday, August 02, 2011

CONTROVERSIAL GAA pundit Joe Brolly says he takes no pleasure from Cork’s defeat to Mayo in Sunday’s All-Ireland quarter-final.

The Derry native came in for criticism in recent weeks following his own scathing comments made about Conor Counihan’s side.

In his Gaelic Life column, parts of which were reproduced in the Irish Examiner, he claimed Cork had a "primitive approach" and were a "dumb team".

Brolly believes the latter was an unfortunate choice of words but he stands by his appraisal of Cork as a team who are unable to play to their potential by virtue of how they are organised.

"My point has always been that Cork have been playing at 60% of what they could be playing at," said Brolly.

"I take no pleasure in Cork having exited the championship. Whenever I’m talking about Cork I’m not thinking that I’m talking about Limerick.

"You don’t patronise All-Ireland champions but you do look at them carefully. Cork fell over the line last year.

"This year was an opportunity for them to kick on. They had the raw materials. There were some pretty obvious tweaks to be made and problems to be solved. There comes a day when power and hard-running isn’t enough. There’s no such thing as an easy All-Ireland but they made it harder for themselves than it ought to have been."

Brolly has been inundated with messages congratulating him on being proven right about Cork but he doesn’t feel that way.

After saying the All-Ireland champions would "wipe the floor" with Mayo on The Sunday Game the weekend before last, he knows he was wrong on at least one count. But he insists it was a case of when not if Cork’s shortcomings were going to be exposed.

"Thousands, and I mean thousands, have been texting, emailing and phoning to say that I’m right and I’ve been vindicated. That has got nothing to do with it. Cork were most definitely caught on the hop.

"The worst thing that could have happened was the early (Donncha O’Connor) penalty. I could feel it in the stadium, there was this sense of "ah, here we go again".

"But Mayo aren’t Limerick. They weren’t going to coast through the game without pushing themselves. Mayo are a Division 1 team. They also packed their defence and played with a two-man full-forward line, which was effective and gave them a bit more room. There was less congestion for them going forward but when Cork attacked Mayo retreated en masse. Cork persisted with the man-to-man football and it didn’t work.

"I said last year that they were the purveyors of dumb football but that wasn’t a great phrase. What I meant was their strategy is basic. That it’s inflexible, off-the-cuff and man-to-man football that you either sink or swim with."

Brolly is aware of how he has been painted among Cork people.

Last week Larry Tompkins suggested he might get "a poke" the next time he turns up in Cork. "I’ve become the panto villain with Cork people but after the game on Sunday I was introduced to a few Cork supporters by Tomás Mulcahy. Among them were Conor Counihan’s wife and his son. His son was emotional after the defeat and I tried to cheer him up. I said, ‘Imagine what it’s like to be me, a Derry person’. That made him smile.

"The reality is sometimes these things get blown out of proportion to make a lively debate but there’s that mutual respect that Gaels have for one another. There’s been some good fun between Tony Davis and myself because personalities are also involved. It had got to an extreme, though. My opinions are those of a committed armchair general!"

However, Brolly maintains he was right to question the credentials of Cork.

"I just don’t agree with the theory put forward by Pat Spillane that Cork were a tired team. He was making an excuse for not saying the obvious. My belief about Cork was strengthened last year when they beat Derry in a league game in Celtic Park last year.

"They murdered us with their sheer size and power but they only beat us by a point. It was then that I thought they had serious problems. Cork do many good things. They played with integrity, courage, honesty and they’re hard-working. They are a reflection on the character of their manager.

"But I’ve been saying for three years that Donncha O’Connor and Daniel Goulding have been under-utilised. A three-man full-forward line is one too many. There’s no space for the finishers.

"Goulding was a big loss to Cork. He may have been expected to score another three or four points, which would have likely seen them win the game. Cork also don’t have enough scorers from positions 5 to 9. Tyrone, in that area, scored 2-7 against Roscommon.’’

Brolly highlights how Tyrone on Saturday started man-to-man against Roscommon before realising that the opposition were more than they expected. As a result, they re-jigged, bringing in Brian Dooher to control around the back with wing-forward Peter Harte moving into a deeper position as a sweeper.

"It was game over with those modifications. If Cork had done that, deployed a sweeper they would have won. I’ve always seen Paul Kerrigan as a link man between defence and attack, a bit like Declan O’Sullivan is for Kerry.

"That’s where I see his great pace, strength and work-rate utilised best. Paul’s not a natural full-forward. If your natural instinct is to solo run you’re not a full forward. Donncha O’Connor is a natural full-forward.

"Eoin Cadogan could be a good sweeper as could Michael Shields but Cork couldn’t keep affording to go man-to-man. Do that against the likes of Michael Murphy or Colm Cooper and you’re going to lose."

Brolly’s adamant if it wasn’t Mayo, another of the other remaining four teams would have beaten Cork at some stage this year. But he believes Cork can come back a better side next year if they embrace the sweeping/blanket defence.

"It’s all common sense. The more men you have behind the ball the more difficult you make it for the opposition to get through.

"With a few minor modifications, Cork would be a much better team. Whenever that happens they’ll turn from a potentially great team into a great team."

Read more: http://www.examiner.ie/sport/gaa/brolly-no-pleasure-in-cork-i-told-you-so-162882.html#ixzz1TrjH2n00
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: whitegoodman on August 02, 2011, 01:13:16 PM
Whether or not he came up with or even just approved of the idea of the media plug on the cynical fouling, I find it impossible to believe that McGeeney knew nothing about it.

Would agree with this, either that or McGeeney would want to keep a tighter reign on his backroom staff.

I would say Geezer was more surprised at the question being asked rather that what the question asked.  He took about 30 seconds to waffle and still didnt answer the question.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Gaffer on August 02, 2011, 06:31:02 PM
Brolly is claiming that thousands, and he means thousands, of people have either his mobile number, his home number or his email address.

I haven't any of them.  >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: J70 on August 02, 2011, 06:53:45 PM
Brolly is claiming that thousands, and he means thousands, of people have either his mobile number, his home number or his email address.

I haven't any of them.  >:( >:( >:(

Maybe there is an RTE email address that the public can sned their comments to. Or Gaelic Life.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: armaghniac on August 02, 2011, 10:07:03 PM
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I haven't any of them. 

send a letter to his house

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Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Louth Exile on August 06, 2011, 06:37:56 PM
Was Joe enjoying a few glasses of vino with lunch again?

Also, I wonder what the hairdressing budget for the Sunday Game is!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ballinaman on August 07, 2011, 09:36:27 AM
What ye make of the sniggerin by Brolly and O'Rourke towards Spillane in the post Dublin Tyrone match analysis?

Spillane does talk some shite alright but thought it was fairly ignorant all the same. It's obvious that Spillane and Brolly can't abide each other but its getting like something out of the xfactor in their analysis.

Any chance that Micheal Daigian could to switch to the football.....
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Club Rossa on August 07, 2011, 11:21:45 AM
Watched RTE coverage when i got back last night,O'Rourke and Brolly tipping Tyrone before it,O'Rourke saying that Tyrone were simply a better team.Then at the final whistle thet were saying that it was the end of an ere,they're finished etc.
You could take a man off the street to do that analysis yesterday and he wouldn't have cost as much as those bluffers.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: EagleLord on August 07, 2011, 12:45:41 PM
A fickle bunch alright. Ye would be better off getting in a couple of supporters every week, at least then ye would get a bit of passion or something. As you say, their job is not difficult in the slightest. On the other hand, get Ross Carr back in, liven it up abit too...................
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 07, 2011, 01:38:58 PM
I like orourke, however Id say he lost his hole last night................... he bragged about two bets last night tyrone on the handicap and unders in total points, lost on both counts....................he looked like he was going to cry
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on August 07, 2011, 01:40:55 PM
I watched the half-time analysis on the Beeb.
Wee James looked like he was on school around the corner, perched on the edge of the couch wearing his communion shoes.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: EagleLord on August 07, 2011, 01:47:09 PM
I watched the half-time analysis on the Beeb.
Wee James looked like he was on school around the corner, perched on the edge of the couch wearing his communion shoes.

Watched him the last day, its the way he sits forward and joins his hands! :D
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on August 07, 2011, 01:50:09 PM
He should take a leaf out of Brollys book and sprawl back on the couch giggling away to himself every time McHugh says something.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: No1 on August 07, 2011, 10:29:08 PM
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Wee James looked like he was on school around the corner, perched on the edge of the couch wearing his communion shoes.

 :D

f**king brilliant Jinxy!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on August 07, 2011, 10:50:32 PM
If you took that bit of paper off Tony Davis would he be able to remember any of the players names?
He's bad enough with it.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: bridgegael on August 07, 2011, 10:53:26 PM
oisin talks alot of sense,  alot more insightful that brolly and co!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: heffo on August 07, 2011, 11:29:46 PM
If you took that bit of paper off Tony Davis would he be able to remember any of the players names?
He's bad enough with it.

He was struggling for names again tonight and was showing a clip of a Tyrone defender and called him Philly McMahon
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: magpie seanie on August 07, 2011, 11:32:04 PM
If you took that bit of paper off Tony Davis would he be able to remember any of the players names?
He's bad enough with it.

He was struggling for names again tonight and was showing a clip of a Tyrone defender and called him Philly McMahon


He's a cute boyo. He had a 50% chance of getting 50% of his name right!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ONeill on August 07, 2011, 11:38:02 PM
If you took that bit of paper off Tony Davis would he be able to remember any of the players names?
He's bad enough with it.

He was struggling for names again tonight and was showing a clip of a Tyrone defender and called him Philly McMahon

There's something in that. I was with a man who called Stephen O'Neill Philly O'Neill. Even today.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on August 07, 2011, 11:38:44 PM
It's easily done.
Philly is a very popular name after all.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 07, 2011, 11:45:24 PM
Davis has been thru a bit of a rough patch over the last couple of weeks, I think he should be given the benefit of the doubt, and it wasnt related to mayos marvelous display btw
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: magpie seanie on August 07, 2011, 11:53:43 PM
Davis has been thru a bit of a rough patch over the last couple of weeks, I think he should be given the benefit of the doubt, and it wasnt related to mayos marvelous display btw


Maybe some of the folk you've been acting the bollix with this evening on this DB have too for all you know. Hypocrite.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 07, 2011, 11:57:55 PM
Davis has been thru a bit of a rough patch over the last couple of weeks, I think he should be given the benefit of the doubt, and it wasnt related to mayos marvelous display btw


Maybe some of the folk you've been acting the bollix with this evening on this DB have too for all you know. Hypocrite.

Its ok for one and not for another, no ??? who have I offended or acted the balls with ???
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ross4life on August 08, 2011, 12:03:13 AM
The three guys tonight on the Sunday game all went for Kerry v Dublin final so over to Mayo,Donegal to prove them wrong.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: macdanger2 on August 08, 2011, 12:54:37 AM
The GAA announced tonight that the All Ireland Semi-Finals involving Mayo & Kerry and Donegal & Dublin have been cancelled to avoid any unnecessary injuries to players.

The All Ireland Final will take place as scheduled on Sept 18th.

Mayo will play Donegal in a 3rd/4th place play-off on Sept 11th.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: screenexile on August 08, 2011, 01:03:26 AM
What do you expect them to say. Dublin and Kerry are the form teams and the teams with the history and pedigree to back it up.

I think Donegal have an outside chance but Kerry will definitely beat Mayo. Every shred of info points to a Kerry Dublin final so why are pundits getting hauled over the coals for saying it?!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ross4life on August 08, 2011, 01:49:10 AM
What do you expect them to say. Dublin and Kerry are the form teams and the teams with the history and pedigree to back it up.

I think Donegal have an outside chance but Kerry will definitely beat Mayo. Every shred of info points to a Kerry Dublin final so why are pundits getting hauled over the coals for saying it?!
All semi final teams are on form & unbeaten, you'd swear Kerry,Dublin are the same level as Tipp,Kilkenny in Hurling the way pundits are talking them up.

I fancy at least one shock in the semi finals.


Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 08, 2011, 02:48:34 AM
What do you expect them to say. Dublin and Kerry are the form teams and the teams with the history and pedigree to back it up.

I think Donegal have an outside chance but Kerry will definitely beat Mayo. Every shred of info points to a Kerry Dublin final so why are pundits getting hauled over the coals for saying it?!
All semi final teams are on form & unbeaten, you'd swear Kerry,Dublin are the same level as Tipp,Kilkenny in Hurling the way pundits are talking them up.

I fancy at least one shock in the semi finals.

All-Irelands in the last decade, Mayo, Dublin, Donegal all on zero. Pedigree about the same methinks. If its pedigree on making it to All-Ireland finals in the last decade, it surely should be Kerry, Mayo and Donegal/Dublin in that order.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: sheamy on August 08, 2011, 09:34:02 AM
What do you expect them to say. Dublin and Kerry are the form teams and the teams with the history and pedigree to back it up.

I think Donegal have an outside chance but Kerry will definitely beat Mayo. Every shred of info points to a Kerry Dublin final so why are pundits getting hauled over the coals for saying it?!
All semi final teams are on form & unbeaten, you'd swear Kerry,Dublin are the same level as Tipp,Kilkenny in Hurling the way pundits are talking them up.

I fancy at least one shock in the semi finals.
I agree. There could even be two. I think Donegal have a great chance. They won't be as naive as Tyrone were. Brogan and Connolly will never get that room again. This could be a great game.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: INDIANA on August 08, 2011, 11:32:31 AM
What do you expect them to say. Dublin and Kerry are the form teams and the teams with the history and pedigree to back it up.

I think Donegal have an outside chance but Kerry will definitely beat Mayo. Every shred of info points to a Kerry Dublin final so why are pundits getting hauled over the coals for saying it?!
All semi final teams are on form & unbeaten, you'd swear Kerry,Dublin are the same level as Tipp,Kilkenny in Hurling the way pundits are talking them up.

I fancy at least one shock in the semi finals.
I agree. There could even be two. I think Donegal have a great chance. They won't be as naive as Tyrone were. Brogan and Connolly will never get that room again. This could be a great game.

It will be car crash Gaelic Football. On a par with Antrim v Donegal. Probably one of the least entertaining games of the year.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: gallsman on August 08, 2011, 12:04:56 PM
What do you expect them to say. Dublin and Kerry are the form teams and the teams with the history and pedigree to back it up.

I think Donegal have an outside chance but Kerry will definitely beat Mayo. Every shred of info points to a Kerry Dublin final so why are pundits getting hauled over the coals for saying it?!

Define "history"?! Dublin have 1 All-Ireland in nearly 30 years, Mayo have none in even longer. Donegal have 1 in total.

Outside the Kerry team, there are no players with AI medals. That kind of "history" is irrelevant.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: gallsman on August 08, 2011, 12:09:21 PM
What ye make of the sniggerin by Brolly and O'Rourke towards Spillane in the post Dublin Tyrone match analysis?

Spillane does talk some shite alright but thought it was fairly ignorant all the same. It's obvious that Spillane and Brolly can't abide each other but its getting like something out of the xfactor in their analysis.

Any chance that Micheal Daigian could to switch to the football.....

They get on fine. Brolly and O'Rourke are known to (and have acknowledged) that they love to wind-up Spillane.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on August 08, 2011, 12:20:16 PM
What ye make of the sniggerin by Brolly and O'Rourke towards Spillane in the post Dublin Tyrone match analysis?

Spillane does talk some shite alright but thought it was fairly ignorant all the same. It's obvious that Spillane and Brolly can't abide each other but its getting like something out of the xfactor in their analysis.

Any chance that Micheal Daigian could to switch to the football.....

Ah it was only the once when Brolly was praising/slagging Spillane as the greatest ever player or something alone those lines that O'Rourke burst out laughing, even Lyster had to hold himself back. O'Rourke didn't really acknowledge any more of Brolly's wind-ups even though Brolly was trying to make eye contact with him, reminded me of Conor Lenihan's outburst on the Vincent Browne show  :D
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: highorlow on August 08, 2011, 12:53:27 PM
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Outside the Kerry team, there are no players with AI medals. That kind of "history" is irrelevant.

Check your history, our lads (Mayo) have up to 7 and possibly more within the squad.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: gallsman on August 08, 2011, 09:22:34 PM
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Outside the Kerry team, there are no players with AI medals. That kind of "history" is irrelevant.

Check your history, our lads (Mayo) have up to 7 and possibly more within the squad.

Pedant. You know what I meant.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Hound on August 09, 2011, 12:20:08 PM
What do you expect them to say. Dublin and Kerry are the form teams and the teams with the history and pedigree to back it up.

I think Donegal have an outside chance but Kerry will definitely beat Mayo. Every shred of info points to a Kerry Dublin final so why are pundits getting hauled over the coals for saying it?!
All semi final teams are on form & unbeaten, you'd swear Kerry,Dublin are the same level as Tipp,Kilkenny in Hurling the way pundits are talking them up.

I fancy at least one shock in the semi finals.

Love the way you dismiss the analysts for their views, but then call it a shock if Mayo and Donegal win. But you didnt say which one. Are you saying its wrong that Dublin and Kerry are favourites?

In any event, the pundits on the Sunday Game on Sunday night in no way suggested it would be a walkover for Kerry and Dublin. They all said Mayo and Donegal should not be written off. They did tip Kerry and Dublin to win, like the bookies.

Meaning any experts who fancy a "shock" can make big bucks with Mayo at 4/1, Donegal at 3/1 and the Mayo-Donegal double at 19/1.

Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on August 14, 2011, 10:55:04 PM
 :D
McStay is about to stab Tony Davis in the face with his biro.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: seafoid on August 14, 2011, 11:01:41 PM
Spillane is like a parody of a sports analyst. I always think of Apres match watching him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wc7LkllDNmQ
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 15, 2011, 12:07:02 PM
:D
McStay is about to stab Tony Davis in the face with his biro.

McStay war right all the way, Davis still sulking after the quater final. McStay defo tore him a new hole.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on August 15, 2011, 12:20:05 PM
When Davis said "Mayo are losers" I could hear McStays teeth grinding.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 15, 2011, 12:29:36 PM
Spillane is like a parody of a sports analyst. I always think of Apres match watching him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wc7LkllDNmQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDC5DGPJ1CI&feature=related 

a favourite of mine
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on August 15, 2011, 01:24:01 PM
When Davis said "Mayo are losers" I could hear McStays teeth grinding.

Davis will do anything to stop Kerry winning Sam, sick listening to him reading from his notes, I'd nearly bring back Tommy Lyons instead.

I said nearly.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: AZOffaly on August 15, 2011, 02:27:21 PM
I think they should do a fans zone instead. Get different people in that were at the match. Vet them beforehand, and then get a skilled presenter to guide the discussion. I'm not talking about a Fan Zone type roar fest, but more like the chat people say when they are watching the Sunday Game anyway.

At this stage the pundit format for GAA has become tired. It's either a platform for controversial comments, or just nonsense mumbling. Even a panel with a well informed fan type (or a local paper journo) from each county and 1 of a Brolly/Davis/Spillane might be a better TV, as the fans could take any stupid comments to task.

Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 15, 2011, 03:17:38 PM
Davis claimed that Keith Higgins was one of the best backs in the country in football (possibly) and hurling! Its been a while since I have seen our hurlers play, but Keith was always a forward when I saw them play. Any lads who follow Mayo hurling regularly care to comment.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 15, 2011, 03:23:47 PM
Davis claimed that Keith Higgins was one of the best backs in the country in football (possibly) and hurling! Its been a while since I have seen our hurlers play, but Keith was always a forward when I saw them play. Any lads who follow Mayo hurling regularly care to comment.

I;m not the greatest hurling fan I must admit, but he does play in the forwards with them alright.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 15, 2011, 03:54:04 PM
Davis claimed that Keith Higgins was one of the best backs in the country in football (possibly) and hurling! Its been a while since I have seen our hurlers play, but Keith was always a forward when I saw them play. Any lads who follow Mayo hurling regularly care to comment.

I;m not the greatest hurling fan I must admit, but he does play in the forwards with them alright.

So Davis just presumed he was one of the best backs in hurling in the country, just because he plays for the Mayo hurling team too. I know he is a very effective forward, and Connacht has choosen him on a few occassions for the Inter-pros, but always as a forward as far as I know.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: seafoid on August 15, 2011, 03:56:54 PM
I think they should do a fans zone instead. Get different people in that were at the match. Vet them beforehand, and then get a skilled presenter to guide the discussion. I'm not talking about a Fan Zone type roar fest, but more like the chat people say when they are watching the Sunday Game anyway.

At this stage the pundit format for GAA has become tired. It's either a platform for controversial comments, or just nonsense mumbling. Even a panel with a well informed fan type (or a local paper journo) from each county and 1 of a Brolly/Davis/Spillane might be a better TV, as the fans could take any stupid comments to task.

Match of the Day is no better. Da da da da da da da
The format has been flogged to death .
And it's like the internet doesn't exist. 
There are so many ways to look at a match . But 3 middle aged smart casual ex players going through the motions, give us a break 
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on August 15, 2011, 04:05:48 PM
Davis claimed that Keith Higgins was one of the best backs in the country in football (possibly) and hurling! Its been a while since I have seen our hurlers play, but Keith was always a forward when I saw them play. Any lads who follow Mayo hurling regularly care to comment.

I wouldn't worry about it.
Tony was probably just mixing him up with someone else.
As usual.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: seafoid on August 15, 2011, 07:11:31 PM
Spillane is like a parody of a sports analyst. I always think of Apres match watching him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wc7LkllDNmQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDC5DGPJ1CI&feature=related 

a favourite of mine

And this one

 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTog_cbfH-g
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: muppet on November 06, 2011, 04:35:08 PM
With friends like Brolly........

Former Derry All-Ireland winner Joe Brolly, one of the most high-profile contributors to RTE’s live coverage of major championship matches, accepts that everyone is entitled to their view but recalls a recent incident that took place outside Croke Park which perhaps puts another perspective on matters.

“Myself and Colm O’Rourke were coming out of Croke Park at the end of a long day and this guy comes up to Colm and in colourful language let him know what he thought of his opinions, referring to them as crap,” says Brolly.

“Colm listened politely to him and when the guy had finished he said to him — ‘Do you know the best part of all this, I’ll get paid again for delivering much the same crap next Sunday!”


http://www.anfearrua.com/db.asp?a=topicdisplay&tid=1119081 (http://www.anfearrua.com/db.asp?a=topicdisplay&tid=1119081)
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Orangemac on November 06, 2011, 08:34:02 PM
With friends like Brolly........

Former Derry All-Ireland winner Joe Brolly, one of the most high-profile contributors to RTE’s live coverage of major championship matches, accepts that everyone is entitled to their view but recalls a recent incident that took place outside Croke Park which perhaps puts another perspective on matters.

“Myself and Colm O’Rourke were coming out of Croke Park at the end of a long day and this guy comes up to Colm and in colourful language let him know what he thought of his opinions, referring to them as crap,” says Brolly.

“Colm listened politely to him and when the guy had finished he said to him — ‘Do you know the best part of all this, I’ll get paid again for delivering much the same crap next Sunday!”


http://www.anfearrua.com/db.asp?a=topicdisplay&tid=1119081 (http://www.anfearrua.com/db.asp?a=topicdisplay&tid=1119081)
"long day" - what time did the bar open at Joe?. You are looking at a maximum of 1 hours analysis even for a double header.

It's not like Joe does any pre match swotting up. Then again it is a barrister and a teacher so it probably seemed like a long days work ;)
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ONeill on May 08, 2012, 08:57:56 PM
McGeeney right to slam critics

By Declan Bogue

Consider Kieran McGeeney for a minute. He isn’t given to communicating with the GAA public through the media too often, but when he does, he contributes something of weight and worth.

On the radio last Saturday, he hit on a riff about the paucity of quality analysis of Gaelic games. It went to the heart of a matter that has frustrated followers for some time now.

“I think analysis of our games is poor, at best,” he said. “Nobody wants to look at why things happen, how things are moving on or progressed and why people use different tactics. All those sort of things which I believe are the interesting parts of the game — they just want to give out.

“Maybe that’s what sells, maybe that’s why Eastenders is the most popular TV programme, because people like to be depressed.

“Statistically we don’t know what happens in a game or why it happens, and how it leads to success. We try to pontificate based on very little knowledge and anecdotally.”

The same question was put to Tyrone boss Mickey Harte at the launch of the league finals at Croke Park, and as ever, he was illuminating.

“There’s far too much negativity and people harking back to past days, suggesting that they were the only days that ever existed, that football was at its top level. Now we are at the next level of where the game has gone.

“Let’s talk up what’s good about our games. People are not positional in how they play the game — they are actually total footballers. A corner back is now comfortable taking a score, a corner forward is comfortable putting in a last-ditch block. Why should numbers mean anything? Let’s be creative in the extreme to add as many skills as we can to our repertoire.”

It’s a fair bet to say that a good bit of this criticism is aimed at the RTE three-headed beast of O’Rourke, Brolly and Spillane.

And McGeeney and Harte are right in what they say. In their own ways, all of them have pigeon-holed themselves into a cartoonish image of their own beliefs. You know the script before they open their mouths.

In America they can’t get enough of statistical analysis, and have programmes such as ESPN’s ‘The Sports Reporters’, where three respected journalists will discuss the week’s sporting concerns. To survive in that format requires an agile thought process, plenty of hard evidence and a little humility to accept what others say.

It’s a million miles away from Pat Spillane coining crude phrases such as ‘puke football’ to repeat ad nauseam. That kind of errant schoolboy schtick, however, has sustained his punditry career for the last decade.

We say all this, but then we must recognise the reality of television.

It is not an arm of the GAA. It is entertainment, plain and simple. Soundbite is king and there isn’t the time nor have they identified the expertise to get drawn into a discussion about the nuts and bolts of the game.

On any summer Sunday, an inter-county Championship game will be screened. Those that care about it are in the ground. Those not present but with a direct involvement in the GAA are most likely at a club game.

What is left over is a broad base of consumers, deliberating over watching the Gah or the Antiques Roadshow.

Give them a choice between a nerd-off between GAA writers throwing facts and figures at each other or watching Joe Brolly slouching on a sofa gesticulating wildly while he reveals the third secret of the blanket defence to the obvious discomfort of Spillane. It’s not hard to see which they might prefer.

Perhaps television delivers the kind of analysis viewers deserve, and no more.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/columnists/declan-bogue/declan-bogue-mcgeeney-right-to-slam-critics-16153156.html


Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: EC Unique on May 08, 2012, 09:52:00 PM
Good article but the last 4 paragraphs are bullshit. Have they not heard of sky plus? Recording? And the Sunday game is on late at night when it can be viewed by all. I don't mind some of the Craic amongst the boys but proper statistical analysis would also be nice.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Orangemac on May 08, 2012, 10:03:37 PM
I find it hard to believe RTE deliberately have the pundits they do for entertaining the general sporting viewers. I think they honestly believe it is top class stuff they are serving up.

Many people on a Sunday can't get to a game for whatever reason, do they not deserve professional analysis of the game rather than a Monty Python sketch. TV3 in fairness to them try and bring stats into the game and there is more of an attempt at actual analysis on BBC (maybe because they have n ads and have time to fill).
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: cadhlancian on May 08, 2012, 11:15:58 PM
Definetly very true! Was listening to the radio this morning in the car, and the sports station guys were talking about baseball! There are stats such as hits, walks , RBI ( runs batted in) on base % etc. I live in San Diego and the padres are shite to put it mildly! These guys were talking about how the Padres players not only have poor batting averages, but also brought up the fact that there is an actual stat in the paper , showing how many pitches they actually SAW in each at bat!! So if a player had 1 hit in 4 at bats, most people would be fine with that stat....the count one shows that although they may been gotten out, they may have had the pitcher throw them say 12 pitches to get them out. Just thought it was remarkable that on a shite team , in the ealry part of the year , someone would be keeping an eye on this ?

P.s Did I go a bit there?? ;D
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on May 08, 2012, 11:33:45 PM
Baseball is made for stats though.
I wouldn't like to see gaelic football go down that route.
Meaningful statistics are great but I've no interest in hearing about how Bernard Brogan has an 85% success rate when he kicks off his left foot in the last 5 minutes of a game played in the rain.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: cadence on May 09, 2012, 12:55:20 AM
one of the problems with the rte boys seems to be their need to have a pissing competition between them every week. it would be nice to see people on there who can actually do analysis without letting their egos get in the way.

i'd like to see proper analysis, with evidence for that analysis provided. tactics are rarely broken down and analysed... the how teams are setting up and what is done to counteract this set up and the further switches that happen as a game evolves. it's as if rte have a romanticised sentimental perspective of the game instead of the reality of it. it's more commentary than analysis, about "kicking and fielding" skills, and not much else. the game is more sophisticated than that.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: the Deel Rover on May 09, 2012, 07:11:01 AM
i'd love to see the stats on how many actually watch the 1/2 time and full time analysis on rte anymore. Like the article says you know what curly larry and moe are going to discuss anyway, more of the same auld shit* that we have been listening to the last 15 years. Me personally i'd rather have my teeth pulled out than listen to their opinions of the game.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: seafoid on May 09, 2012, 08:52:44 AM
Baseball is made for stats though.
I wouldn't like to see gaelic football go down that route.
Meaningful statistics are great but I've no interest in hearing about how Bernard Brogan has an 85% success rate when he kicks off his left foot in the last 5 minutes of a game played in the rain.

A few years ago in the Sindo Christy O Connor did a full stats run down on the hurling final and it came across as something for a very special(ist) audience. 
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: johnneycool on May 09, 2012, 10:53:25 AM
Baseball is made for stats though.
I wouldn't like to see gaelic football go down that route.
Meaningful statistics are great but I've no interest in hearing about how Bernard Brogan has an 85% success rate when he kicks off his left foot in the last 5 minutes of a game played in the rain.

A few years ago in the Sindo Christy O Connor did a full stats run down on the hurling final and it came across as something for a very special(ist) audience.

And the stats for that game are selectively quoted by certain coaches to embellish their agenda such as in the 2011 AI final the ground stroke was used three times, the average time in possession of the ball was 1.7 seconds or the likes. Five minutes later the same coach was giving off to a fella for raising the ball with one hand on the hurley. I asked him what the stats for the one handed lift as opposed to the two handed lift were for the same game, strangely he didn't have them to hand!

Stats have value if they're relevant, but I'm not so sure I want to listen to stats being churned out at half time and full time.

I like Donal O Grady as he's fairly clued in, but will sit on the fence on any contentious matters, whereas Duignan goes sailing straight in whether he's right or wrong.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: haranguerer on May 09, 2012, 11:24:45 AM
The journalists job is to use stats to illustrate - of course an article just quoting stats is going to be crap, its pulling out the less obvious revealing ones, and using them to illustrate the journalists take on tactics/games, and doing so in an entertaining way
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: seafoid on May 09, 2012, 11:44:16 AM
The journalists job is to use stats to illustrate - of course an article just quoting stats is going to be crap, its pulling out the less obvious revealing ones, and using them to illustrate the journalists take on tactics/games, and doing so in an entertaining way

I came across this video the other day. Gerry Thornley on rugby. He doesn't do the stats overload 
Sports journalism at its best

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EvLk-r3kXc&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ONeill on May 09, 2012, 10:40:01 PM
The journalists job is to use stats to illustrate - of course an article just quoting stats is going to be crap, its pulling out the less obvious revealing ones, and using them to illustrate the journalists take on tactics/games, and doing so in an entertaining way

I came across this video the other day. Gerry Thornley on rugby. He doesn't do the stats overload 
Sports journalism at its best

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EvLk-r3kXc&feature=player_embedded

I don't see how it is. Nearly everything there is stats based or factually based. Anything else is barely opinion.

I'm a massive fan of stats as it can completely debunk who is perceived to be playing badly. I've witnessed Tyrone players getting slaughtered in the stands (and in the RTE studio) while the stats show they're the most economical players on show.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on May 09, 2012, 10:45:30 PM
Yeah but that isn't always a good thing.
The more aware players become of their stats, the more 'cheap' stats they might try and accrue i.e. always taking the simple, safe option might make you a legend on a spreadsheet but that's not much use if you've lost the game.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ONeill on May 09, 2012, 10:53:18 PM
Yeah but that isn't always a good thing.
The more aware players become of their stats, the more 'cheap' stats they might try and accrue i.e. always taking the simple, safe option might make you a legend on a spreadsheet but that's not much use if you've lost the game.

You seem to assume that the player is a much more highly intellectual being than the manager or stats man.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on May 09, 2012, 11:34:56 PM
Aussie rules fans are always talking about players getting cheap stats.
Disposal efficiency would be one category.
Simple passes bump up your %.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Ciarrai_thuaidh on May 10, 2012, 12:27:19 AM
Look, stats can be used and conversely, abused. They might tell a tale sometimes but they often don't give viewers a clearer picture of the essence of a game. What I think would be useful though, is charts/screens to show the actual positions players took up  and runs/delivery of the ball. TSG have used hawkeye a bit last year so thats a step in the right diection at least.
Geezer has a point though on the quality of analysis overall. I just think some of the people RTE (and don't get me started on TV3) select to appear are clueless. Tony Davis is a prime example. an utter spoofer.
Aside from being an ex-player, they should be looking at people who have experience of managing/coaching at a decent level. O'Rourke has coached a fair bit, not sure about Brolly (to be fair, he can be smarmy but I think he knows the game at least), Spillane for all the spoofery and pre-prepared terrible jokes, has at least coached at senior c/ship level in Kerry. Anthony Tohill was pretty good, if a bit bland, but was got rid of. I must say, the preview of the c/ship didn't encourage me in this regard when I saw Colm Parkinson as part of the panel along with Martin McHugh. Whoever selects some of these "analysts" should be fired..but then again RTE Sport is now headed by Ryle Nugent, so expecting quality is probably expecting too much.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Canalman on May 10, 2012, 11:08:14 AM
Have  a serious dislike of stats and particularly the people who place massive reliance on them.

Give me the forward any day who kicks 4 points from say his 9 "possessions" as opposed to the guy with say 20 "possessions" and a "successful disposal " rate of say 90%.

Some amount of spoofers/charlatans imvho hiding behind stats.

However , going to contradict myself here and say that I am always interested in the champions league to see how much the players ran during the game.

If you ever want to see a game destroyed by statistics go no further than baseball.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: haranguerer on May 10, 2012, 11:19:38 AM
Yeah but that isn't always a good thing.
The more aware players become of their stats, the more 'cheap' stats they might try and accrue i.e. always taking the simple, safe option might make you a legend on a spreadsheet but that's not much use if you've lost the game.

ffs - then surely if the passing success percentages are high and you lost the game, then you'd perhaps have the commonsense to say, 'right, that stats not the telling one on this occasion'. You'd look at all aspects, and work on what they show, the above scenario would  show for e.g. a lot of lateral or backward passes, so you'd look at no of forward passes, and thats where you'd identify the problem.

Stats cant be manipulated by players, they're just figures, its those presenting them that can manipulate them, and its important that the correct ones are presented. For e.g, someone who say wants to keep their shot success percentage high will turn down anythgin but certain scores, but that will be identified by looking at the number of shots he took and comparing to say possessions inside the scoring zone.

 Noones gonna listen to someone representing a team thats losing saying 'look at the stats, we're doing great, it must be bad luck'. The story will be in the stats somewhere, its just extracting it.

Canalman, you already contradicted yourself in your second sentence by comparing two stats - just cos the first didnt use stats - style language doesnt make it not a stat. It seems similar to ones saying 'I've no interest in politics' - well, you must do, cos it kinda involves everything....
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on May 10, 2012, 02:53:08 PM
Be quiet Haranguerer!
We all know you want to destroy gaelic football as we know it and create a scenario whereby Seanie Johnston gets a cash bonus for every point he scores with his left foot on a windy day.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: haranguerer on May 10, 2012, 05:27:10 PM
Seanie cant get paid, its an amateur game. Hes a caring sort however, and does have a charity close to his heart, so welcomes cheques on behalf of Cavan Amateur Sportstars Hospital, made out to CASH  :P
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ONeill on May 10, 2012, 10:33:32 PM


However , going to contradict myself here and say that I am always interested in the champions league to see how much the players ran during the game.



Headless chickens can top that.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: johnneycool on May 11, 2012, 08:46:03 AM


However , going to contradict myself here and say that I am always interested in the champions league to see how much the players ran during the game.



Headless chickens can top that.

I've never seen anyone substituted who's ran less km than the average, which is strange unless the goalkeeper is included in the stats!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on May 11, 2012, 10:39:34 AM
It's not so much about distance as intensity.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Orangemac on May 20, 2012, 10:35:31 PM
Instead of reading out tweets (RTE seem to be obsessed with Twitter as Sean Gallagher knows) and features thought up by transition year students such as My Hero would it be difficult for the Sunday Game to have something like top 5 scores of the day?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: midLouth on May 20, 2012, 10:47:04 PM
Am jaysus this is a poor show. Football pundits that have been there too long, offer nothing inciteful about any of the games.

Don't know what that local hero was about.

Get onto Sky and get a lend of their giant iPad, show something different.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: trileacman on May 20, 2012, 10:47:32 PM
Thought Dolan was good with a good knowledge of the game. A mexican volleyball player with a rough grasp of Irish geography would be better than Tony Davis, a f**king bollix. Good score, game of two halves, the Barden brothers are brothers, f**ks sake Tony tell us something new.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: midLouth on May 20, 2012, 10:50:29 PM
I think it's good to get the experienced players like Dolan on, interesting to hear from guys like him and hear their views.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Louth Exile on May 20, 2012, 11:01:44 PM
The winter break leaves you with rosier memories of the Sunday Game than it deserves. First programme back and they remind you just how wrong they get the simple things.

Its been clear for years that genuine GAA fans don't give a shite about Dan the bollocks talking to a the handful of Deise fans who travelled down to an empty Limerick, looking at old footage of Frankie Dolan or watching a preview of the upcoming hurling, or all the other unnecesary filler that they stuff into the programme, to take away from what it should be about.

Its simple, you show a decent amount of actual hightlights from all the days games and put Davis and Mc Stay in front of a firing squad. Whoever puts this shit together needs to buy new crayons, my six year old would do a better job of putting this show together
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on May 20, 2012, 11:11:36 PM
Must say I enjoyed the Frankie Dolan footage, those two points from the Kildare qualifier were immense. Disgrace that he didn't get an allstar that year.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on May 21, 2012, 12:12:12 AM
Thought Dolan was good with a good knowledge of the game. A mexican volleyball player with a rough grasp of Irish geography would be better than Tony Davis, a f**king bollix. Good score, game of two halves, the Barden brothers are brothers, f**ks sake Tony tell us something new.

He reckoned John Heslin benefited enormously from his aussie rules experience.
He wasn't over there long enough to get a tan.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: joemamas on May 21, 2012, 01:11:45 AM
Thought Dolan was good with a good knowledge of the game. A mexican volleyball player with a rough grasp of Irish geography would be better than Tony Davis, a f**king bollix. Good score, game of two halves, the Barden brothers are brothers, f**ks sake Tony tell us something new.

He reckoned John Heslin benefited enormously from his aussie rules experience.
He wasn't over there long enough to get a tan.

Jinxy,

Best line of the year.

Davis is such tool, he spend more time fixing his hair, and picking out a hideous shirt and tie than he does analyzing the game.

His analysis on the Mayo V Kerry game last month was particularly brutal.

As they say, he must have pictures on somebody in Dublin 4.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ExiledGael on May 21, 2012, 10:14:47 AM
Does the Sunday Game appear on the RTE Player? Is it available to Nordies?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: seafoid on May 21, 2012, 10:16:33 AM
Am jaysus this is a poor show. Football pundits that have been there too long, offer nothing inciteful about any of the games.

Don't know what that local hero was about.

Get onto Sky and get a lend of their giant iPad, show something different.
If you want inciteful you have to go up to Tyrone and watch a club match 
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Hardy on May 21, 2012, 10:25:57 AM
It's an amazing "word" indeed - the only non-existent word that has two wrong meanings.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Stevie g 8 on May 21, 2012, 12:54:32 PM
The dan shanahan piece was pure awful.i thought dessie dolan was good. As for false des and the other 2 with there limited knowledge letting on they know all the players from the weaker counties
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: sheamy on May 21, 2012, 01:11:44 PM
Please please RTE, will ye take Davis and McStay and lock them up somewhere. They are dreadful hoors. Opening credits with the cult classic music gets the pulses racing, then the sight of the two boys just kills the mood completely. McStay made some balls of explaining the square ball rule too. That wee grimace he does would just make you want to plough a hurl off his nose. The Dan Shanahan piece sounded like a scene from snatch. Not bad, just a bit of wtf is this for...where did big Tohill go? He was decent. Likely costly though. You want people you think actually know what they are talking about. The hurling men know the craic. Why do we have to suffer such utter eejits for the football. It could only have been made worse if Bernard Flynn was on. 3/10.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: BennyCake on May 21, 2012, 03:49:42 PM
Davis isn't too bad, but McStay is awful. Is there nobody better than him in the country?!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ludermor on May 21, 2012, 04:14:58 PM
It's an amazing "word" indeed - the only non-existent word that has two wrong meanings.

http://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2010/12/inciteful.html
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Hardy on May 21, 2012, 04:25:12 PM
I refuse to recognise the court.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: johnpower on May 21, 2012, 09:19:35 PM
Dessie Dolan was a welcome change. I would prefer if they had a wider panel of experts.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on May 21, 2012, 10:28:11 PM
Davis isn't too bad, but McStay is awful. Is there nobody better than him in the country?!

Compared to who?
Pol Pot?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Go home ref on May 21, 2012, 11:10:28 PM
Davis isn't too bad, but McStay is awful. Is there nobody better than him in the country?!

Compared to who?
Pol Pot?

Pol Pot knew more about football ffs he's awful even worse then McStay and he's hideous although Dessie Dolan was good about time they had someone connected with the modern game on enough of the dinosaurs and "kick passing" and more people who understand the game today
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: panc56 on May 21, 2012, 11:15:07 PM
Conor Deegan is pretty good on Newstalk. They seem to be some click in RTE. O'Rourke is honest , but Spillane is dated. The show needs new ideas and new people. It's not helping the game itself. The first one to get the boot should be Lyster! He does my head in , it's like Pat Kenny does GAA.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: moysider on May 21, 2012, 11:38:31 PM
Dessie Dolan was a welcome change. I would prefer if they had a wider panel of experts.

There are no experts. Just opinions and mostly noise. There is, if anything, too much analysis, but it is really not analysis at all. Everybody has an agenda - including viewers coming from different places as well as the 'experts'.

Like, I would have time for McStay but unfortunately I was present for  the annual clusterwank about Galway forwards that O Rourke and Spillane started again on Sunday.

 Lyster is one of the main reasons the format doesn t work. Interrupts when he shouldn t and lets Brolly go unchecked when he should be able to check him . His - and his producer s - handling of the League Final debate distances him from any credibility.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on May 21, 2012, 11:43:31 PM
Spillane and his 'foot into football' routine makes me want to do my 'foot into telly' routine.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Leo on May 22, 2012, 12:05:39 AM
Brolly is the main reason I don't watch it anymore so I cannot comment on McStay. Shanahan or anyone else. Dire TV at any level as you would expect from a seriously overpaid monopoly.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 22, 2012, 12:20:51 AM
TG4 who are run on a shoe-string in comparison could teach RTÉ a thing or two. They've no fancy graphics or gimmicky crap (like the Donie Shine feature last night) yet their production is a million times more professional than RTÉ's. They also don't have the endless stream of pundits that RTÉ seem to think the viewers want. The show on a Friday night with Dara Ó Cinnéide puts any of RTÉ's recent midweek offerings to shame and their highlights programme is exactly that - a highights programme. The night edition of The Sunday Game these days consists of about a token 5 minutes on every match followed by 10 minutes of McStay and the likes bleating on about turnovers, hotzones and other assorted nonsense.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: trileacman on May 22, 2012, 12:55:14 AM
Dessie Dolan was a welcome change. I would prefer if they had a wider panel of experts.

 the annual clusterwank

Greatest phrase ever.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Syferus on May 22, 2012, 01:17:23 AM
Still unbelievable that Dessie may not be lining out for Westmeath again. Looked every inch a top-five forward for Garrycastle this year. You can't really over-state the importance of a player of his quality, he may well have been the difference in Westmeath winning yesterday.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: trileacman on May 22, 2012, 01:24:41 AM
We are pretty much agreed, Sunday game analysis consists of wheeling out the same agenda driven egomaniacs every year to tell us what we know. Analysis pretty much consists of this;
 Tyrone have alot of young players coming through, there's too much hand-passing, Kerry are a Croke Park team, Galway have some great lovely fowards w**k, w**k, w**k, Donegal defence isn't one for the purists, there's alot of hand-passing, players today are over conditioned, Cork are a big strong team, not sure if you know this but Mayo have a poor record in finals, did i mention that teams today hand-pass alot, Munster teams play less matches (Spillane spent 2 minutes last night explaining how Donegal have to play more games, we can read a f**king fixtures table Pat).

Spillane and Brolly are just two squabbling wind-bags that think analysis comes second to winding each other up. RTE thinks this shite is all we want to see every season year on year.
O'Rourke is actually a reasonable pundit when removed from being the arbitrator between the aforementioned gobshites.

Davis, McStay and Carney all to some degree drive us insane. Davis knows sweet FA about the game and just inserts random comments applicable in any situation (t'was a game of two halves, that'll be a tough match next week). I don't find McStay too bad to listen to and I think he has a reasonable grasp of the game. For me Martin Carney is the first man I would kick down the N11 if I was in RTE, the most agenda driven b**tard every to get handed a mike. Seems to think all passes should be kicked with the team with the most high catches in the match declared winners. Players, rules, managers are all plotting against the "spectacle" we all want which seems to be a 13-side match where all passes must travel 50 yards or more and finishes with the first team which scores 15 goals and 264 points. And Nordies. f**king Nordies ruin everything.

As someone said TG4 have an excellent broadcast. Young analysts who have better knowledge and less clichéd vocabulary who get on with the job without agenda's or fuss. Canavan, Tohill, Dolan, O'Cinnede are the way to go, the kinda lads you could listen too without feeling the urge to kick something.
The sad thing is that RTE's hurling analysts are decent enough with Loughnane being the only ego about the place. Farrell and Deignan amongst others are decent to listen too.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Asal Mor on May 22, 2012, 02:00:06 AM
Davis isn't too bad, but McStay is awful. Is there nobody better than him in the country?!

Compared to who?
Pol Pot?

 ;D  ;D  ;D  Good man Jinxy.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: seafoid on May 22, 2012, 09:53:24 AM
We are pretty much agreed, Sunday game analysis consists of wheeling out the same agenda driven egomaniacs every year to tell us what we know. Analysis pretty much consists of this;
 Tyrone have alot of young players coming through, there's too much hand-passing, Kerry are a Croke Park team, Galway have some great lovely fowards w**k, w**k, w**k, Donegal defence isn't one for the purists, there's alot of hand-passing, players today are over conditioned, Cork are a big strong team, not sure if you know this but Mayo have a poor record in finals, did i mention that teams today hand-pass alot, Munster teams play less matches (Spillane spent 2 minutes last night explaining how Donegal have to play more games, we can read a f**king fixtures table Pat).


great stuff. That would make a fabulous skit
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Bord na Mona man on May 22, 2012, 10:15:27 AM
Yeah, several of the analysts have already said all they are ever going to say and are just repeating.
Spillane constantly on about the "long kick pehss" and players not practicing kicking has gone beyond tiresome.

Also, too much time of the highlights sections is wasted on post-match manager interviews. At best 1 in 10 of them might throw up something remotely interesting, the rest are pure bland. I'd rather see more match action instead.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: rrhf on May 22, 2012, 10:23:04 AM
In fairness this is becoming a total whingefest.   
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 22, 2012, 10:27:26 AM
Still unbelievable that Dessie may not be lining out for Westmeath again. Looked every inch a top-five forward for Garrycastle this year. You can't really over-state the importance of a player of his quality, he may well have been the difference in Westmeath winning yesterday.

Oh no question we'd have won if Dessie was playing, exactly what we were short of, someone to kick points from the inside line. To be fair he's been on the go for over 3 years straight, what with the provincial club campaigns finishing up in December. He was sick as a parrot in February, shouldn't have played against Brigids, yet was man of the match, see http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0317/1224313471401.html (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0317/1224313471401.html). He did look a bit haggered on TSG and probably does need the rest. Hopefully we'll see him back for the qualifiers or next year.

Thought he spoke well on Sunday night but the other two clampots kept cutting in with any random thought they had and Dessie's words kinda got lost. McStay isn't the worst but maybe I just save my ire for Davis, Jaysus, he drives me nuts. Can't believe RTE got him back again this year. Next they'll have him co presenting Championship Matters with Marty f**king Morrissey.  ::)
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: AZOffaly on May 22, 2012, 11:22:56 AM
Yeah, I thought Dessie looked a bit shook on the Sunday Game. He always speaks well, and is good on the radio. Looks like he needs a while off, maybe a holiday with a few beers and a few steaks. He deserves a break anyway.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Declan on May 22, 2012, 11:26:11 AM
Lads I now watch the games with the sound off and leave when the "analysis" starts. Similarly on the highlights show - I go for a cuppa.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Shamrock Shore on May 22, 2012, 11:28:09 AM
Dessie Cahill looked very fit. Either there are a few sunbeds in the dressing rooms in Cuala or he likes his sun breaks. Also I would like a word with his barber - there is nary a grey hair in place.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: magpie seanie on May 22, 2012, 11:42:05 AM
Another season, the Sunday Game is still shite.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 22, 2012, 12:46:51 PM
Yeah, I thought Dessie looked a bit shook on the Sunday Game. He always speaks well, and is good on the radio. Looks like he needs a while off, maybe a holiday with a few beers and a few steaks. He deserves a break anyway.

Doesn't drink but I'm sure he would relish the steaks. Shamrocks getting over the line this year would probably do him the world of good, although I'm sure he wouldn't look at it like that.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: nrico2006 on May 22, 2012, 12:53:50 PM
Funny how alot of pundits and journalists were raving about Galway yesterday yet it was only a few weeks ago that they were all saying Division 2 is dung and that Tyrone and Kildare came up from a division loaded with useless sides.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: AZOffaly on May 22, 2012, 02:01:53 PM
Yeah, I thought Dessie looked a bit shook on the Sunday Game. He always speaks well, and is good on the radio. Looks like he needs a while off, maybe a holiday with a few beers and a few steaks. He deserves a break anyway.

Doesn't drink but I'm sure he would relish the steaks. Shamrocks getting over the line this year would probably do him the world of good, although I'm sure he wouldn't look at it like that.

I know he doesn't drink, but he could still do with a few :D
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Yeah on May 22, 2012, 02:26:26 PM
Ah he looked a  bit off surely! Not like DES!!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: seafoid on May 22, 2012, 02:32:18 PM
Another season, the Sunday Game is still shite.
Between TSG and the Late Late RTE is in a bit of a rut.
But you can't beat 20 minutes of sport on the six one news on sunday evening 
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: johnpower on May 22, 2012, 11:15:04 PM
In fairness this is becoming a total whingefest.

Well said
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: AZOffaly on May 23, 2012, 10:00:40 AM
In fairness this is becoming a total whingefest.

Well said

Sure the Sunday game has been a whingefest for years, unless the hurling panel are on. Then it's a case of Ra Ra Go Team.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: johnneycool on May 23, 2012, 10:33:18 AM
In fairness this is becoming a total whingefest.

Well said

Sure the Sunday game has been a whingefest for years, unless the hurling panel are on. Then it's a case of Ra Ra Go Team.

I've always noticed that the football panel go on an awful lot about any unsavoury incidents or negative tactics whereas the hurling panel kinda brush over any in the hurling, Ah shure it's just hurling Ger!!

Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: AZOffaly on May 23, 2012, 10:40:51 AM
The hurling lads try to promote the game and get people excited about it, if at all possible.

The football lads want to be controversial and generate 'talking points'.  That may be a dirty incident, which is ideal for their purposes, or, failing that, an awful game where they can go on about standards in the game.

They go on so much that they have lost effect, and any valid points they have get lost in the general malaise.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Bord na Mona man on May 23, 2012, 11:14:52 AM
Also, if hurling analysts started ridiculing the standard of the Christy Ring and Rackard Cup teams it would be a huge no-no.
In football punditry the standard of Division 3 and 4 teams is regularly chastised - even though some of these counties have proven to be well capable of turning over the big names.

Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: seafoid on May 23, 2012, 12:41:16 PM
Also, if hurling analysts started ridiculing the standard of the Christy Ring and Rackard Cup teams it would be a huge no-no.
In football punditry the standard of Division 3 and 4 teams is regularly chastised - even though some of these counties have proven to be well capable of turning over the big names.
so far Laois are the only D 1/2 team to lose in the first round to "inferior" opposition but there could be more. 
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 23, 2012, 01:51:25 PM
Also, if hurling analysts started ridiculing the standard of the Christy Ring and Rackard Cup teams it would be a huge no-no.
In football punditry the standard of Division 3 and 4 teams is regularly chastised - even though some of these counties have proven to be well capable of turning over the big names.
so far Laois are the only D 1/2 team to lose in the first round to "inferior" opposition but there could be more.

Antrim was more of a shock than Laois.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: From the Bunker on May 23, 2012, 02:25:28 PM
Also, if hurling analysts started ridiculing the standard of the Christy Ring and Rackard Cup teams it would be a huge no-no.
In football punditry the standard of Division 3 and 4 teams is regularly chastised - even though some of these counties have proven to be well capable of turning over the big names.

You can't ridicule Lower Division Hurling teams, as they never meet the big guns in hurling.

Always thought that there should have been an an provincial hurling team for Connacht (minus Galway), Leinster (minus Offaly, Kilkenny, Wexford, Dublin) and Ulster that could compete in the championship. Imagine there are up to 24 counties each year that have no representation in a so called All Ireland Championship.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: AZOffaly on May 23, 2012, 02:30:01 PM
Also, if hurling analysts started ridiculing the standard of the Christy Ring and Rackard Cup teams it would be a huge no-no.
In football punditry the standard of Division 3 and 4 teams is regularly chastised - even though some of these counties have proven to be well capable of turning over the big names.

You can't ridicule Lower Division Hurling teams, as they never meet the big guns in hurling.

Always thought that there should have been an an provincial hurling team for Connacht (minus Galway), Leinster (minus Offaly, Kilkenny, Wexford, Dublin) and Ulster that could compete in the championship. Imagine there are up to 24 counties each year that have no representation in an so called All Ireland Championship.

Of course they could ridicule them. When Christy Ring or Nicky Rackard matches are shown or discussed, the hurling lads praise them and their efforts even if Kilkenny would beat the pick of them by 200 points.

In Football, a poor championship game gets slated, players skill levels are derided and questions asked about tactics etc. Football pundits want to be controversial, hurling pundits want to be evangelists.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: johnneycool on May 23, 2012, 02:58:27 PM
Also, if hurling analysts started ridiculing the standard of the Christy Ring and Rackard Cup teams it would be a huge no-no.
In football punditry the standard of Division 3 and 4 teams is regularly chastised - even though some of these counties have proven to be well capable of turning over the big names.

You can't ridicule Lower Division Hurling teams, as they never meet the big guns in hurling.

Always thought that there should have been an an provincial hurling team for Connacht (minus Galway), Leinster (minus Offaly, Kilkenny, Wexford, Dublin) and Ulster that could compete in the championship. Imagine there are up to 24 counties each year that have no representation in an so called All Ireland Championship.

Of course they could ridicule them. When Christy Ring or Nicky Rackard matches are shown or discussed, the hurling lads praise them and their efforts even if Kilkenny would beat the pick of them by 200 points.

In Football, a poor championship game gets slated, players skill levels are derided and questions asked about tactics etc. Football pundits want to be controversial, hurling pundits want to be evangelists.

There's not much lower tier hurling on TV, so its not really an issue at present.

Your jist is right, you'll never hear a hurling analyst deride the quality of a game of hurling even if it was crud whereas their footballing counterparts seem to revel in it especially if the teams involved are from another county or province.

Spillane just loves the sound of his own voice.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: AZOffaly on May 23, 2012, 03:41:04 PM
Also, if hurling analysts started ridiculing the standard of the Christy Ring and Rackard Cup teams it would be a huge no-no.
In football punditry the standard of Division 3 and 4 teams is regularly chastised - even though some of these counties have proven to be well capable of turning over the big names.

You can't ridicule Lower Division Hurling teams, as they never meet the big guns in hurling.

Always thought that there should have been an an provincial hurling team for Connacht (minus Galway), Leinster (minus Offaly, Kilkenny, Wexford, Dublin) and Ulster that could compete in the championship. Imagine there are up to 24 counties each year that have no representation in an so called All Ireland Championship.

Of course they could ridicule them. When Christy Ring or Nicky Rackard matches are shown or discussed, the hurling lads praise them and their efforts even if Kilkenny would beat the pick of them by 200 points.

In Football, a poor championship game gets slated, players skill levels are derided and questions asked about tactics etc. Football pundits want to be controversial, hurling pundits want to be evangelists.

There's not much lower tier hurling on TV, so its not really an issue at present.

Your jist is right, you'll never hear a hurling analyst deride the quality of a game of hurling even if it was crud whereas their footballing counterparts seem to revel in it especially if the teams involved are from another county or province.

Spillane just loves the sound of his own voice.

That's true, but I remember the Rackard and Ring cups were on TV there at one stage, and the praise for the counties involved was fulsome, despite the fact that some of the play was poor. But yes, you have my train of thought alright.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: seafoid on May 23, 2012, 04:46:00 PM
Also, if hurling analysts started ridiculing the standard of the Christy Ring and Rackard Cup teams it would be a huge no-no.
In football punditry the standard of Division 3 and 4 teams is regularly chastised - even though some of these counties have proven to be well capable of turning over the big names.
so far Laois are the only D 1/2 team to lose in the first round to "inferior" opposition but there could be more.

Antrim was more of a shock than Laois.
Hanley is doing a good job with Westmeath.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Fionntamhnach on May 23, 2012, 06:47:42 PM
If I get my head around to doing it some time, I'll see if I can get a "Sunday Game Bingo Card" put together.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: mylestheslasher on May 23, 2012, 07:15:31 PM
Davis is such an annoying tit, watch out for when he watches some minnow like Leitrim and starts pretending to know something about their best player, talking about some score or anther in his patronising annoying voice. Sunday game tried to freshen itself up before by changing music, its the "experts" they need to freshen up not the bloody music.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Ciarrai_thuaidh on May 24, 2012, 10:01:27 AM
Davis is such an annoying tit, watch out for when he watches some minnow like Leitrim and starts pretending to know something about their best player, talking about some score or anther in his patronising annoying voice. Sunday game tried to freshen itself up before by changing music, its the "experts" they need to freshen up not the bloody music.

Spot on. Calling players by their first names is one of his favourite tricks..as if he knows them well. Ask anyone from Cork about the year he was put in charge of the Cork U-21s...to say "clueless" would be an understatement..they were hockeyed by Limerick. He is a total spoofer..the worst on RTE actually, and thats saying something.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Onion Bag on May 24, 2012, 12:18:31 PM
The SG needs a full revamp, totally new panel, even replacing Michael Lyster, it is the same old shite every night only the teams are changing,
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: heffo on May 24, 2012, 01:14:05 PM
Existing Football analysts are awful. Every year they bring a fresh face in who proves insightful, fresh and generally excellent and then he's gone never to be seen again.

Tony 'Where did I put my cheat notes' Davis is awful and and McStay is just as bad.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: omagh_gael on May 24, 2012, 02:36:11 PM
Who calls the shots for the Sunday game? Is it Ryle Nugent or would there be a specific person who is responsible for GAA output?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Dinny Breen on May 24, 2012, 03:11:56 PM
Paul Byrne is the producer of TSG, he is responsible for all editorial content. He also decides the panel.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: magpie seanie on May 24, 2012, 03:16:12 PM
Paul Byrne is the producer of TSG, he is responsible for all editorial content. He also decides the panel.


Can we get him up in front of an Oireachtas inquiry like some of his bosses in the last few days?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: mylestheslasher on May 27, 2012, 10:38:41 PM
Think its a bit better tonight but Davis needs the door.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Minder on May 27, 2012, 10:39:54 PM
How did Colm Parkinson get the ever increasing profile?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Dinny Breen on May 27, 2012, 10:46:14 PM
How did Colm Parkinson get the ever increasing profile?

Because he is a muppet, the Joey Barton of the GAA world, the irony of him criticising Seanie Johnson when he left his own club for the dollars in Parnells in Dublin and played with Billy Sheehan, of course no one actually asked Colm about that, now that would have been a lot more interesting.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 27, 2012, 10:49:57 PM
How did Colm Parkinson get the ever increasing profile?

Because he is a muppet, the Joey Barton of the GAA world, the irony of him criticising Seanie Johnson when he left his own club for the dollars in Parnells in Dublin and played with Billy Sheehan, of course no one actually asked Colm about that, now that would have been a lot more interesting.

I wouldn't say Joey Barton, more Robbie Savage.

He'll add to the comedy value. He's bound to make a complete eejit of himself before September.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: mylestheslasher on May 27, 2012, 10:53:25 PM
He didn't say anything that Davis or whelan didn't also say. At least he has something to say better than the same old bull from the same old heads.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Ard-Rí on May 27, 2012, 11:49:38 PM
Anyone else see the ad for Marty's  new show during the break?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on May 27, 2012, 11:51:13 PM
Marty is a weird little freak and I'm sick of looking at him.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Louth Exile on May 27, 2012, 11:59:25 PM
Think its a bit better tonight but Davis needs the door.

I agree, also thought the layout of the show was a damn sight better, Davis was God awful as usual, that aside I thought Parkinson was a bit of craic.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: panc56 on May 28, 2012, 07:32:28 AM
Even Cork people don't like Davis. A prat of the highest order.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 28, 2012, 07:39:16 AM
Marty is a weird little freak and I'm sick of looking at him.
You're not the only one. That ad for 'Championship Matters' was just awful.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: johnneycool on May 28, 2012, 09:29:53 AM
Marty is a weird little freak and I'm sick of looking at him.
You're not the only one. That ad for 'Championship Matters' was just awful.

Is that the show with 'no cliché's'.

Marty has built up a career stringing cliché's together!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: the Deel Rover on May 28, 2012, 09:30:42 AM
Marty is a weird little freak and I'm sick of looking at him.
You're not the only one. That ad for 'Championship Matters' was just awful.

plus he is a sh*t commentator . i'm pretty sure i heard him say during the kerry tipp game "that was a great score by declan o'sullivan finished off by tomas o'se  ???
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: magpie seanie on May 28, 2012, 09:51:33 AM
Marty is a weird little freak and I'm sick of looking at him.
You're not the only one. That ad for 'Championship Matters' was just awful.

plus he is a sh*t commentator . i'm pretty sure i heard him say during the kerry tipp game "that was a great score by declan o'sullivan finished off by tomas o'se  ???


Yeah, you did. It was like this: "that was a great score by Declan O'Sullivan....(Marty shuffles through stats sheets for info about Declan O'Sullivan and camera goes to close up of scorer - Tomas Ó Sé) errr, finished off there by Tomas Ó Sé"

I thought Parkinson was grand last night.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: blewuporstuffed on May 28, 2012, 10:08:02 AM
I thought parkinson was grand aswell. freshend the thing up abit from the ususal crap
still cant stand tony davis though
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: rrhf on May 28, 2012, 10:38:29 AM
Parkinson was good and might utter a few controversial ones this year,  Whelan seems honest as well but maybe too nice.  Davis is piss poor.  Mc Stay isnt much better, Morrissey is needed to remind us not to use cliches.  So much so is that he is prepared to make a  show all about not using cliches within the GAA.  Should be good.   
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: thejuice on May 28, 2012, 12:44:26 PM
Colm Parkinson is alright, they should maybe give John Cullinane a spot beside him. Liven things up a bit.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Shamrock Shore on May 28, 2012, 12:48:16 PM
Wooly could be an asset for sure. Time to ditch Davis. Davis reminds me of Meehal Martin so on that alone he should get the flick. I don't mind McStay too much. Hate kicking Mayo people as they have enough to contend with.

I wish Whelo would stop waving the hands. Hoor waved them enough when he was playing  ;)

Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: timmyot501 on May 28, 2012, 12:59:16 PM
The fact that Parkinson was the "special guest" last night would suggest to me that his appearance on the Sunday Game is just a one off.  I thought he did fine too. Pity some of the others weren't there for just a one off too.  Some of the analysis is like trying to answer an exam question which you forgot was on the course resulting in pure waffle.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Rossfan on May 28, 2012, 01:03:38 PM
Brolly painful again yesterday. Davis awful as usual.
The contrast between the football "experts" and the hurly bucks is massive.
Farrell Loughnane etc try to analyse and al that whereas the football guys...... ::)
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Go home ref on May 28, 2012, 01:46:44 PM
Colm Parkinson is a total knob
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: blanketattack on May 28, 2012, 02:52:15 PM
Parkinson was a welcome addition. He was probably too honest though. Saying Reilly was a one season wonder before now, having a go at the player who fisted over instead of going for goal and a few other criticisms at individual players. That won't go down to well in the GAA. It's fine to do that in relation to Premier League players across the water who won't even have heard of RTE but not GAA players down the road.
Also, the Meath player Brian Meade will need to have his full name called out when he's being referred to, because Meath and Meade were getting pronounced the same so it was sometimes confusing which one they meant.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on May 28, 2012, 03:29:39 PM
Parkinson was a welcome addition. He was probably too honest though. Saying Reilly was a one season wonder before now, having a go at the player who fisted over instead of going for goal and a few other criticisms at individual players. That won't go down to well in the GAA. It's fine to do that in relation to Premier League players across the water who won't even have heard of RTE but not GAA players down the road.
Also, the Meath player Brian Meade will need to have his full name called out when he's being referred to, because Meath and Meade were getting pronounced the same so it was sometimes confusing which one they meant.

He's 100% right about that though.
Question: "When are you allowed to actually go for a goal?"
Answer: "When you score it."
Otherwise, fisting it over the bar is 'the right option'.
Total cop out.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Orangemac on May 28, 2012, 10:48:32 PM
Brolly painful again yesterday. Davis awful as usual.
The contrast between the football "experts" and the hurly bucks is massive.
Farrell Loughnane etc try to analyse and al that whereas the football guys...... ::)
+1 Hurling analysts knew what they were talking about and were interested in how the game panned out.

A lot of the football pundits think they are movie critics. Davis's opinion is worthless after he complained the Armagh Tyrone semi final in 2005 wasn't open enough.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Leo on May 28, 2012, 10:56:14 PM
Parkinson was a welcome addition. He was probably too honest though. Saying Reilly was a one season wonder before now, having a go at the player who fisted over instead of going for goal and a few other criticisms at individual players. That won't go down to well in the GAA. It's fine to do that in relation to Premier League players across the water who won't even have heard of RTE but not GAA players down the road.
Also, the Meath player Brian Meade will need to have his full name called out when he's being referred to, because Meath and Meade were getting pronounced the same so it was sometimes confusing which one they meant.

He's 100% right about that though.
Question: "When are you allowed to actually go for a goal?"
Answer: "When you score it."
Otherwise, fisting it over the bar is 'the right option'.
Total cop out.

Ah yes the fisted point
The last refuge of the safe option.
I can't think of another sport in the world where there is a rule that if you are on top of the goal line you cannot score with a particular option (ie handpass, or throw as it is common;u used in so-called football these days) but, sure, you've come this far you might as well shovel it over the bar and we''ll give you a point.
Daft beyond parody.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on June 03, 2012, 01:48:21 PM
I think it's obvious that from now on the first 10-15 minutes of RTEs live coverage is going to be completely dedicated to trashing the game of gaelic football.
Really whets the appetite for the game to come.
As for Spillane and his 'statistics', it doesn't surprise me in the least that he picked a game played in a gale force wind (Tyrone v Kildare) to support his argument.
I think it's high time someone did a proper analysis of gaelic football trends over the last 30 years, that doesn't selectively pick the best examples of the past to compare with the worst examples of the present.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: rrhf on June 03, 2012, 01:55:53 PM
Brollys Sub headline in the mail. Time to go Mick. And then proceeded to have a rant about older players.  Starting to dislike his approach.  I have always had a problem with Spillane I think he's like a nayin auld goat.  Next seasons rte approach must try something without these guys. They have no love for the game they represent.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on June 03, 2012, 02:25:21 PM
After the Wexford wing-back bent the ball over the bar with his right foot into the wind and then scored another one with his left foot a couple of minutes later I thought to myself, will they even mention this in the analysis?
Probably not.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 03, 2012, 02:28:50 PM
Problem with football panelists is that we've heard their guff before. Could they not replace or reshuffle every now and again. Hurling now has Eddie Brennan and Liam Sheedy. Surely there are a few recently retired intercounty footballers to step in.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on June 03, 2012, 02:33:07 PM
Thank God TV3 are showing the Dublin game and I'll get to listen to some actual analysis.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on June 03, 2012, 02:38:21 PM
Any particular reason this game is being played at Croke Park? Doesn't add anything to see a game like this being played in an almost empty stadium when it might have generated a decent atmosphere in a smaller provincial ground.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Hardy on June 03, 2012, 02:42:44 PM
I think it's obvious that from now on the first 10-15 minutes practically all of RTEs live coverage is going to be completely dedicated to trashing the game of gaelic football.


It's gone beyond a joke. We don't get that in any other sport. Soccer, rugby racing and other pundits criticise negative trends in their sport but they don't start from the position that everything about it is rubbish. The Nualas don't seem to have any genuine enthusiasm for their sport.

Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Hardy on June 03, 2012, 02:47:50 PM
"Look at the support angle he took" - Martin Carney analysing a Wexford score.

A prize for anyone who can tell me what that means. These idiots are just making stuff up to justify their positions as pundits. I'm thinking of opening a book on the new cliches that will be invented this year or imported from other sports to add to red zones and gain lines and even the novel concept of offside in Gaelic football, introduced last year by McStay. Shots under par anyone, or new balls, or maybe overuse of the whip. They'd make as much sense as "support angles" anyway.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 03, 2012, 02:48:47 PM
The coverage is a disgrace, you'd nearly think they were trying to put people of football. The entire previeews and analysis focus on the state of football and not the match in hand for every game. I thought the first half was good given the conditions. Some great scores and quite open. Kavanagh was excellent. Spilllanes first comment was it was very avg and brolly said typical modern football. Turned it over after that.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 03, 2012, 02:50:42 PM
The gaa need to step in quick and put an end to this unbalanced coverage. These pricks are only in it for self gain.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on June 03, 2012, 02:53:53 PM
Brolly is sitting there like a lad that's just finished his dessert at a wedding.
 
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Hardy on June 03, 2012, 02:54:13 PM
They're at it again - "135 handpasses" yadda yadda.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: cogito on June 03, 2012, 02:56:36 PM
It's a joke, Im sitting at home here and really enjoying this game.

How we don't have players on who have played more recently I just don't know. Stephen McDonnell, Philip Jordan are just two that come to mind.

Would sky sports have jack charlton on doing their analyis? No, they went out and found Gary Neville because he is familiar with the modern day game and can criticise and praise it on how he sees it.

RTE's pannellists criticise it because they dont truly understand it. It's ignorance and they try to feel like their days were much better.

Ah here we go again, he is on about handpasses v kicks again.

That's it. Tele is on mute.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on June 03, 2012, 02:56:48 PM
If Longford come out and start booting the ball into the teeth of that wind and giving the ball away left right and centre will Spillane and co. laud them for their sense of adventure?
No, it'll be "errors", "poor kick-passing" etc.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on June 03, 2012, 03:03:56 PM
Do you know what?
I bet Pat Spillane is shaking his head at the fact that a wing-back has scored 5 points from play.
This is a negative development in his view.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Hardy on June 03, 2012, 03:05:24 PM
Gwan da Larries!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: INDIANA on June 03, 2012, 03:18:28 PM
Do you know what?
I bet Pat Spillane is shaking his head at the fact that a wing-back has scored 5 points from play.
This is a negative development in his view.

it was pure mule jinxy the first half. pure mule.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ardchieftain on June 03, 2012, 03:39:16 PM
Longford threw that away. Ironic that they played better when wiped out at midfield in the 1st half.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Hardy on June 03, 2012, 03:40:00 PM
Do you know what?
I bet Pat Spillane is shaking his head at the fact that a wing-back has scored 5 points from play.
This is a negative development in his view.

Bingo - the Wexford forwards are no good - their backs scored more.

Again, the whole analysis is completely negative. I'm serious - not one positive point made. Not one.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: midLouth on June 03, 2012, 03:45:05 PM
Rolling around laughing here, Brolly managed to get him to say medicine ball procurer.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Wildweasel74 on June 03, 2012, 03:49:28 PM
any chance brolly would stop talking oer the top of spillane, downright bad manners, pat hard to understand at the best of times but with brolly harping over him its downright impossible!!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on June 03, 2012, 03:49:44 PM
It's just such a joyless, depressing experience watching gaelic football on RTE.
You've the double whammy of commentators that make you want to throw your telly off a bridge and analysts that don't analyse the game.
It's like they WANT people to stop watching.
I think Ryle Nugent sits in an office looking at the viewing figures for the Sunday Game and thinks to himself, "Why isn't this working? We've Ger and Martin on commentary, Brolly and Spillane spouting bile non-stop and people are STILL watching in huge numbers. We're going to have to step it up next week. Maybe we can get Jedward to do the sideline reports...."
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: spuds on June 03, 2012, 03:51:41 PM
Do you know what?
I bet Pat Spillane is shaking his head at the fact that a wing-back has scored 5 points from play.
This is a negative development in his view.

Bingo - the Wexford forwards are no good - their backs scored more.

Again, the whole analysis is completely negative. I'm serious - not one positive point made. Not one.
Ger Canning was on about "honesty of endeavour" after Brian Kavanagh picked the ball clean off the ground. Another beaut was after Ben Brosnan pointed a free Canning excites how scoring it shows his commitment, what does that mean ?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on June 03, 2012, 03:55:50 PM
Same shit, different year....
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: The Boy Wonder on June 03, 2012, 04:24:38 PM
Ah stop bitching girls - isn't it priceless entertainment !
Pat Spillane looking himself up on Wikipedia to check what he scored in his career  ;D
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on June 03, 2012, 06:17:31 PM
Switching from RTE to TV3 today was like walking out of an elderly relatives funeral and into a 21st birthday party.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: midLouth on June 03, 2012, 06:29:39 PM
I don't think I'll be able to watch Sunday Game tonight, Dublin amassed how many points between their hurlers and footballers tonight, they'll be putting the final nails into the coffins of both sports.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on June 03, 2012, 06:33:21 PM
McStay will have his dossier with him no doubt.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Hardy on June 03, 2012, 07:05:20 PM
The tossier with the dossier.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: INDIANA on June 03, 2012, 07:32:03 PM
I don't think I'll be able to watch Sunday Game tonight, Dublin amassed how many points between their hurlers and footballers tonight, they'll be putting the final nails into the coffins of both sports.

bit harsh no. its not our fault your team played like u10's.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Captain Obvious on June 03, 2012, 07:37:11 PM
I don't think I'll be able to watch Sunday Game tonight, Dublin amassed how many points between their hurlers and footballers tonight, they'll be putting the final nails into the coffins of both sports.

bit harsh no. its not our fault your team played like u10's.
A bit harsh on U10's.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: midLouth on June 03, 2012, 07:39:14 PM
I don't think I'll be able to watch Sunday Game tonight, Dublin amassed how many points between their hurlers and footballers tonight, they'll be putting the final nails into the coffins of both sports.

bit harsh no. its not our fault your team played like u10's.

Ah I'm not having a go at the Dubs in case you took it up like that, more that they will be giving out about the score lines, which are a credit to the work that is going on in Dublin, but they'll be writing off the sports everywhere else. Same every year, it isn't until after prov finals that things get serious and more evenly matched.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: squire_in_navy_slacks on June 03, 2012, 07:58:25 PM
rte have mc stay..............tv3 have liam hayes............................bring back David Brady
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: INDIANA on June 03, 2012, 08:10:09 PM
I don't think I'll be able to watch Sunday Game tonight, Dublin amassed how many points between their hurlers and footballers tonight, they'll be putting the final nails into the coffins of both sports.

Fitzpatrick has to go after that. Thats the worst gameplan i've seen versus dublin in the last 3 years by anyone.

bit harsh no. its not our fault your team played like u10's.

Ah I'm not having a go at the Dubs in case you took it up like that, more that they will be giving out about the score lines, which are a credit to the work that is going on in Dublin, but they'll be writing off the sports everywhere else. Same every year, it isn't until after prov finals that things get serious and more evenly matched.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: RMDrive on June 03, 2012, 09:35:38 PM
I don't think I'll be able to watch Sunday Game tonight, Dublin amassed how many points between their hurlers and footballers tonight, they'll be putting the final nails into the coffins of both sports.

On Twitter ..... @RTEgaa Poll - Given the one-sided nature of some games, is there a case for a tiered football championship?
 ::)
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on June 03, 2012, 09:51:07 PM
Louth should have won a provincial title as recently as 2010.
RTE are really getting on my f**king nerves at this stage.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: hardstation on June 03, 2012, 09:55:55 PM
Eamon Maguire?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on June 03, 2012, 09:57:15 PM
When Dublin minced Tyrone last year did anyone suggest a tiered championship?
What about when Limerick destroyed us a few years ago?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Mac hinery on June 03, 2012, 10:05:12 PM
Where's Brick Tamlin when you need him?


"I don't know why I'm shouting"
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Hoof Hearted on June 03, 2012, 10:08:10 PM
simple solution lads, if a match starts at 2.00, turn the TV on at 1.59. watch 1st half. At HT, go and boil the kettle, have a crap, ride the wife, (then do them all again as you probably will still have time). watch 2nd half, that at FT, turn it off.simples.

Why do you watch and listen to men who you know are going to talk shite, then complain about them talking shite.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on June 03, 2012, 10:12:45 PM
Absolute nonsense and it's that attitude that has this country fcuked.
Just accept this is the way things are, and don't expect any better.
It's your money that's paying for this tripe.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: whitegoodman on June 03, 2012, 10:14:47 PM
simple solution lads, if a match starts at 2.00, turn the TV on at 1.59. watch 1st half. At HT, go and boil the kettle, have a crap, ride the wife, (then do them all again as you probably will still have time). watch 2nd half, that at FT, turn it off.simples.

Why do you watch and listen to men who you know are going to talk shite, then complain about them talking shite.

Lol very good and very true especially on the point about the exploits at half time.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: midLouth on June 03, 2012, 10:29:34 PM
Because it is clowns like those two that are showcasing GAA games around the country and this is the best they can come up with, for most ppl on this board they will watch no matter what but you aren't going to get anyone to switch over and starting making this their first preference on a Sunday night.

Like look at McStays comments about Leitrim, I have noticed over the last while he says they word "realistic" a lot and writes teams off straight away, now he might be right in his judgement but he should be focusing on what Leitrim would need to do to cause a shock, what players they have that would need to have a great game etc etc. not just say they are shite and don't have a chance, that isn't going to encourage anyone to watch they game that might have been thinking about doing something else whenever that game is on.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: hardstation on June 03, 2012, 10:45:15 PM
Tomas Mulcahy - "Jeez, look at the thighs on that guy."

Steady on, Tomas.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: rrhf on June 04, 2012, 09:32:04 AM
Peopl are becoming more critical of Gaelic football to the point where many supporters don't bother going to matches the tv guys started this rubbish. 
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on June 04, 2012, 10:34:22 AM
The amount of people I hear parroting the exact same stuff as Spillane is scary.
That's simply the result of constant repetition.
Plus, I think Brolly and Spillane will become more of a double act over the summer as this increases the potential for controversy.
Colm will be shifted to the evening show to accommodate this as he's a moderating influence on the two of them.

Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Applesisapples on June 04, 2012, 10:37:13 AM
Canning makes Mark Sidebottom seem almost eloquent.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: cogito on June 04, 2012, 10:45:11 AM
Is it that hard to find a few intelligent and recently retired players? A bit of research woudl teach you who knows there stuff and who doesn't. People who can actually give me a bit of insight into the game instead of every game getting a freeze frame and saying "Look they have 11 players back in their own half". Could someone not show me how quick teams break once they get the turn over? It's not as if Longford had 11 players sitting back all the time. Longford also used the cross field ball very well to find McCormack and Cavanagh well. I'm pretty sure that was ignored as well.

RTE need to make it an important goal to uncover a Gary Neville sort of expert to revitalize their panel if you ask me. I watched the Longford and Wex game and was annoyed at the coverage. Pat was a miserable old git who had an agenda set beforehand.

I missed the start of the Sunday game in then evening then but when I did switch it on the very first thing I heard was Colm Coyle giving out about the number of handpasses to kickpasses in a game. I literally tutted out loud before saying to myself I couldn't be bothered listening to this crap again so I switched over and watched the Apprentice. A show I have not once all year and this was the final. That's how much I wasn't arsed listening to the RTE boys.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: snoopdog on June 04, 2012, 10:56:56 AM
its been my opinion for a long time that these guys are doing little good for our game by constantly slagging off teams who arent up to their so called perceived standard.
It always this way. Teams go through bad times we dont all have a conveyor belt like Kerry.
The likes of Brolly and Spillane are supposed to be ambassadors for our game but i feel they are doing it more harm than good.
Yes the game is going through a tough time as more professional approaches have led to players being fitter than most other sportsmen and tactics coming more and more into it. Brolly and Spillane should be suggesting how to make changes for the good of the game.
This tiered suggestion wont work either. With Tiers Leitrim would never have played in an all ireland semi in 94, Down wouldnt have been in the All Ireland final in 2010 Antrim or Fermanagh wouldnt have played in Ulster Finals, Clare wouldnt have won a munster in the 90's , the list is endless. 25 years of defeat in every first round game is worth it for counties to even get one day in the sun.
I for one never want to see the end of the Ulster Championship.
A champs league format would only make everything more predictable and  crowds would suffer.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on June 04, 2012, 11:00:22 AM
I know I'm biased but Anthony Moyles was excellent on Newstalk for Longford vs. Wexford.
There are lots of intelligent, articulate, recently retired footballers that could offer meaningful analysis and insight.
Is that what RTE want though?
I genuinely don't think it is.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: cogito on June 04, 2012, 11:13:50 AM
I know I'm biased but Anthony Moyles was excellent on Newstalk for Longford vs. Wexford.
There are lots of intelligent, articulate, recently retired footballers that could offer meaningful analysis and insight.
Is that what RTE want though?
I genuinely don't think it is.

Aye Moyles was one I heard recently and I just thought to myself, why the hell dont RTE have someone like him. I would love to see Philip Jordan given a shot at it or Stephen McDonnell.

The service Newstalk provide puts RTE to shame in my opinion.

I don't care if a player doesn't have as many All-Ireland's as Spillane I would someone who can analyse a game, see patterns that others cant and highlight them to the every day viewer. Make our game sound interesting rather than tell them its shite.

That process of freezing the screen when a team has 10 or 11 bodies back makes me want to break my tele. It's so lazy. Every analyse of a game is basically the same and I for one have had it.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on June 04, 2012, 11:37:12 AM
Actually Ger Gilroy has some still pictures on his twitter page of the Donegal vs. Kildare game last year.
They're from the first half and show that on numerous occasions there were at least half a dozen Donegal players inside the Kildare 45m line.
Modern teams get bodies back, but they also attack in numbers as well.
The problem is, Spillane's 'analysis' is setting the agenda and this has to be addressed.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: mylestheslasher on June 04, 2012, 12:02:10 PM
Brolly and Spillane do talk a lot of crap for the sake of it but I have to agree with them on the Longford v Wexford game. It was total shite from start to finish. Donegal have shown teams the way to play now packing everyone back in their own halves. I said last year the GAA need to take steps to stop this crap becoming the norm for GAA matches and now we will all see how it will pan out with more and more teams doing the same. It will turn the likes of me off bothering  to watch a game on TV where my own county is not involved. If entertainment levels go down, viewership will go down and money into the GAA will go down which is bad for every county.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: INDIANA on June 04, 2012, 12:06:51 PM
Brolly and Spillane do talk a lot of crap for the sake of it but I have to agree with them on the Longford v Wexford game. It was total shite from start to finish. Donegal have shown teams the way to play now packing everyone back in their own halves. I said last year the GAA need to take steps to stop this crap becoming the norm for GAA matches and now we will all see how it will pan out with more and more teams doing the same. It will turn the likes of me off bothering  to watch a game on TV where my own county is not involved. If entertainment levels go down, viewership will go down and money into the GAA will go down which is bad for every county.

Longford made it shite though. I was massively impressed with their conditioning and staggered by their lack of ambition. They would get a lot further using the assets they have in the bardens.

David Barden looked like a tool yesterday with his man scoring 5 points from play. Its a complete waste having him in defence.

That was Donegal-lite yesterday.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on June 04, 2012, 12:27:54 PM
RTE need to make it an important goal to uncover a Gary Neville sort of expert to revitalize their panel if you ask me. I watched the Longford and Wex game and was annoyed at the coverage. Pat was a miserable old git who had an agenda set beforehand.

They had, or have one.... Dara Ó Cinnéide... yet they never seem to have him on during the day.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on June 04, 2012, 12:30:40 PM
That process of freezing the screen when a team has 10 or 11 bodies back makes me want to break my tele. It's so lazy. Every analyse of a game is basically the same and I for one have had it.

10 or 11 isn't too bad. goalie, 6 backs, 2 midfielders and a couple of half forwards...


Its when its 13 or 14 men back that I get pissed!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on June 04, 2012, 01:14:33 PM
Brolly and Spillane do talk a lot of crap for the sake of it but I have to agree with them on the Longford v Wexford game. It was total shite from start to finish. Donegal have shown teams the way to play now packing everyone back in their own halves. I said last year the GAA need to take steps to stop this crap becoming the norm for GAA matches and now we will all see how it will pan out with more and more teams doing the same. It will turn the likes of me off bothering  to watch a game on TV where my own county is not involved. If entertainment levels go down, viewership will go down and money into the GAA will go down which is bad for every county.

If you had watched that exact same game only it was played in Pearse Park Myles do you think your opinion would be any different?
To be honest I think you could take the best 30 footballers in the country, stick them in an empty Croke Park, and they'd struggle to entertain TV viewers.
That's a separate issue though I suppose.
I thought there was some great scores kicked in difficult conditions yesterday.
And lets not forget that either, it was a truly horrible day and we were watching two division 3 teams.
Have there been many classic games between Longford and Wexford down through the years?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: yellowcard on June 04, 2012, 04:01:33 PM
Maybe I'm in the minority here but I am actually disappointed if either Brolly or Spillane aren't on the Sunday game. Its a bit like watching the soccer on RTE without Dunphy its just not the same, and very often the best entertainment is reserved for the analysis.

O'Cinneide and O'Rourke are good pundits but most of the rest of them aren't worth listening to. Davis and McStay are a joke neither entertaining nor insightful.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: fearglasmor on June 05, 2012, 03:15:46 PM
Watched Offaly Wexford and Longford Wexford games on the box.

Liam Sheedy made a single reference to the standard of the fare and both him and Eddie Brennan proceeded to review the game on its own merits without referincing Kiklenny or Tipp.

In contrast all Spillane can offer is bile about how shite the standard is. If thats the attitude why would anyone ever bother broadcasting or watching games involving anyone outside the top 6 counties. I think Spillane has finally morphed into Victor Meldrew.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Canalman on June 05, 2012, 05:20:03 PM
Watch the Kevin Nolan point from last  year's AIF and count the number of Kerry lads the ball sailed over . Some amount of them back  defending and Lord help us if that had been a Kerry point scored against us, Tyrone, Donegal or Kildare for example



Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: the Deel Rover on June 05, 2012, 05:27:15 PM
On sunday it seemed to me they got paid to talk about medicine balls and bollards. Pat spillane thought there were thousands of them bollards on the pitch, oh how times have changed sighed brolly he remembers training when they used to have to carry 4 inch blocks around the field nae a bother to big Brian but some wee lad couldn't carry them at all . Tis a pity big brian didn't drop 1 of the blocks on wee joe's head he would have done us all a huge favour.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Shamrock Shore on June 05, 2012, 06:17:34 PM
Spillane and Brolly are too fond of the quip. The 'smart one'.

FFS - I dunno about Wexford but did Spillane expect Longford to play like Brazil of 1970. We've come from a position of being third last in Div 4 three or so year ago (just ahead of London and Kilkenny) to a Div 2 spot and not mixing it with the second tier teams like Laois, Mayo etc. His comment on medicine balls and cones were daft and if this is analysis then fcuk me pink.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: redcard on June 05, 2012, 06:58:10 PM
Spillane and Brolly are too fond of the quip. The 'smart one'.

FFS - I dunno about Wexford but did Spillane expect Longford to play like Brazil of 1970. We've come from a position of being third last in Div 4 three or so year ago (just ahead of London and Kilkenny) to a Div 2 spot and not mixing it with the second tier teams like Laois, Mayo etc. His comment on medicine balls and cones were daft and if this is analysis then fcuk me pink.

Spillane wouldnt have looked out on place on last saturdays Late Late show and sober at that. Why dont you pen him a letter shamrock
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: NaomhBridAbú on June 05, 2012, 08:47:32 PM
"And its hard to regard Joe Brolly's attack on the Dromid man on last weeks Sunday Game as anything other than gratuitously silly attention seeking from a television troll who in commenting on the football championship generally adopts the attitude of an aristocrat forced to shake hands with a beggar."

from the Sunday Indo following Golum's comment on the Kerry Manager....best description of Brolly that I have ever heard...'...an aristocrat forced to shake hands with a beggar'

thats Brolly 100%....
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: From the Bunker on June 05, 2012, 09:53:38 PM
Spillane and Brolly are too fond of the quip. The 'smart one'.

FFS - I dunno about Wexford but did Spillane expect Longford to play like Brazil of 1970. We've come from a position of being third last in Div 4 three or so year ago (just ahead of London and Kilkenny) to a Div 2 spot and not mixing it with the second tier teams like Laois, Mayo etc. His comment on medicine balls and cones were daft and if this is analysis then fcuk me pink.

Last year, Spillane gave out about the way Wexford played against the Dublin! Saying they were too negative. But this was the only way they could stay with the Dubs. Louth played open football last week and see what happened to them.  Jez, I don't think alot of these guys know how hard it is for weaker counties to move to the next level and when they get to that level to stay there.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Go home ref on June 06, 2012, 04:34:46 PM
Spillane and Brolly are too fond of the quip. The 'smart one'.

FFS - I dunno about Wexford but did Spillane expect Longford to play like Brazil of 1970. We've come from a position of being third last in Div 4 three or so year ago (just ahead of London and Kilkenny) to a Div 2 spot and not mixing it with the second tier teams like Laois, Mayo etc. His comment on medicine balls and cones were daft and if this is analysis then fcuk me pink.

Last year, Spillane gave out about the way Wexford played against the Dublin! Saying they were too negative. But this was the only way they could stay with the Dubs. Louth played open football last week and see what happened to them.  Jez, I don't think alot of these guys know how hard it is for weaker counties to move to the next level and when they get to that level to stay there.

I know what a clown he wants teams to go out and play attacking football against teams that are far better than them and im sure if all lesser teams did this he would complain about uncompetitive matches
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 06, 2012, 09:35:47 PM
On sunday it seemed to me they got paid to talk about medicine balls and bollards. Pat spillane thought there were thousands of them bollards on the pitch, oh how times have changed sighed brolly he remembers training when they used to have to carry 4 inch blocks around the field nae a bother to big Brian but some wee lad couldn't carry them at all . Tis a pity big brian didn't drop 1 of the blocks on wee joe's head he would have done us all a huge favour.

Haha, my own thoughts exactly!!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Hardy on June 10, 2012, 03:38:34 PM
Wall to wall negativity from the Nualas again today. The emphasis is on why Kerry lost, not why Cork won. Not a positive soundbite forthcoming in the whole analysis.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Zulu on June 10, 2012, 03:56:45 PM
How true Hardy!! It wasn't a game for the ages but there was plent positive things to talk about yet all they did was moan and shite talk about the hand pass. If I could afford a new flat screen TV I'd have put my foot through the current one.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 10, 2012, 03:57:17 PM
Plus Michael Lyster spoiled the Meath v Carlow result.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Tubberman on June 10, 2012, 03:59:33 PM
Tony fcking Davis, I might have to switch to BBC
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Louth Exile on June 10, 2012, 04:26:02 PM
Tony fcking Davis, I might have to switch to BBC

Yup! Much and all as I like Daragh Maloney, can they please not give Davis the Bullet!

Mind you, Mark Sidebottom is some eejit, asking Mc Conville "What price the draw"!!!  ::)
Oisin was cute enough to sidestep the question
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Hardy on June 10, 2012, 04:47:04 PM
Finally, the girls wax positive. "It's a good game of football".

("Not a traditional Ulster type of game.")  :)
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: EC Unique on June 10, 2012, 07:50:17 PM
Is the draw for the qualifiers on tonight?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: NaomhBridAbú on June 10, 2012, 07:55:04 PM
Tony fcking Davis, I might have to switch to BBC

Yup! Much and all as I like Daragh Maloney, can they please not give Davis the Bullet!

Mind you, Mark Sidebottom is some eejit, asking Mc Conville "What price the draw"!!!  ::)
Oisin was cute enough to sidestep the question

No f**king way??? Please tell me that sidebottom did not ask Oisin that??
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Orchardman on June 10, 2012, 11:32:07 PM
leighton glynn has a strange accent, is that how wicklow people talk? any i ever met just sounded like southside dubs, which they are i guess
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Louth Exile on June 11, 2012, 12:07:57 AM
Tony fcking Davis, I might have to switch to BBC

Yup! Much and all as I like Daragh Maloney, can they please not give Davis the Bullet!

Mind you, Mark Sidebottom is some eejit, asking Mc Conville "What price the draw"!!!  ::)
Oisin was cute enough to sidestep the question

No f**king way??? Please tell me that sidebottom did not ask Oisin that??

No word of lie, he's some gobshite

The evening show of the SG was the usual auld showing highlights of the games we have already seen while we get about 2 mins of clips from the two games in Tullamore and other Munster semi final. Will they ever learn?!?!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: moysider on June 11, 2012, 12:22:47 AM
Spillane and Brolly are too fond of the quip. The 'smart one'.

FFS - I dunno about Wexford but did Spillane expect Longford to play like Brazil of 1970. We've come from a position of being third last in Div 4 three or so year ago (just ahead of London and Kilkenny) to a Div 2 spot and not mixing it with the second tier teams like Laois, Mayo etc. His comment on medicine balls and cones were daft and if this is analysis then fcuk me pink.

So a team that reaches an AI semi and a league final in 8 months is second tier and ranked with Laois. To bed with yourself.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Stevie g 8 on June 11, 2012, 12:34:19 AM
Not a clue has des Cahill telling us that seanie Johnston can now play for Kildare next week  when he played a league game today for his new club when the country all know it has to be a championship game before he's eligible .how do the likes of himself and Marty get these top presenting jobs
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Captain Obvious on June 11, 2012, 02:15:56 AM
Spillane and Brolly are too fond of the quip. The 'smart one'.

FFS - I dunno about Wexford but did Spillane expect Longford to play like Brazil of 1970. We've come from a position of being third last in Div 4 three or so year ago (just ahead of London and Kilkenny) to a Div 2 spot and not mixing it with the second tier teams like Laois, Mayo etc. His comment on medicine balls and cones were daft and if this is analysis then fcuk me pink.

So a team that reaches an AI semi and a league final in 8 months is second tier and ranked with Laois. To bed with yourself.
Do you think Mayo are at top tier? takes more than just eight months football to reach that level.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Syferus on June 11, 2012, 03:52:04 AM
Not to feed into the Obvious trolling, but today confirmed that Kerry are, right now, behind Cork, Dublin, Tyrone and Mayo. I'd seriously fancy Donegal and Kildare to take them too.

Maybe they'll go on a repeat of 2009's run but I highly doubt that's at all likely. It feels a bit like Tyrone last year, you just know this'll be the last run-around for plenty of the cornerstones of this Kerry team.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: fearglasmor on June 11, 2012, 09:09:00 AM
leighton glynn has a strange accent, is that how wicklow people talk? any i ever met just sounded like southside dubs, which they are i guess

Get yourself a dvd of the TV Series Bracken or even Glenroe and have a listen to Dinny Byrne.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: AZOffaly on June 11, 2012, 09:11:37 AM
I made the mistake of not watering the flowers at half time in the Kerry game yesterday, and stupidly listened to the half time anal-ysis. Joe Brolly needs to be taken off that job now. He contributes nothing and his insulting of lads who have all Ireland medals coming out their pockets is a disgrace. He;s not fit to lace some of their boots, yet he feels it is appropriate to call Darren O'Sullivan a selfish under 10? Gobshite. Darren O'Sullivan's pacy runs are a ploy Kerry deliberately use you eejit, and if Donaghy had rattled the net then one of those runs would have been responsible for a goal. To say he runs because he is selfish and doesn't want to pass until he runs into someone's "knee-literaly" is absolutely stupid analysis.

Then they pick 3 clips of Kerry lads soloing the ball as evidence that they don't look up, ignoring the long balls kicked into Kieran O'Leary and Gooch and Donaghy that scores came from. It's as if they have a pre-determined rant they want to go on, and then spend the entire half/game looking for examples that support their argument, ignoring anything that contradicts their prejudice.

Also, when you pick up a break, your first instinct is to secure possession, then a solo coming out of the pack, and then you look up. All of the Kerry lads they picked out did exactly that. Joe would have you believe they should win the ball and take their first solo, under pressure, while scanning the field for options. Crazy stuff altogether.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: magpie seanie on June 11, 2012, 09:12:47 AM
Not to feed into the Obvious trolling, but today confirmed that Kerry are, right now, behind Cork, Dublin, Tyrone and Mayo. I'd seriously fancy Donegal and Kildare to take them too.

Maybe they'll go on a repeat of 2009's run but I highly doubt that's at all likely. It feels a bit like Tyrone last year, you just know this'll be the last run-around for plenty of the cornerstones of this Kerry team.


I don't necessarily agree. If Sheehan was playing yesterday he would have got at least 3 or 4 points from frees/45's that Kerry missed. Add in the amazing missed goal chances and Kerry could easily have won that match handsomely and we'd all be talking about the end of this Cork team! Kerry do have problems but they're not insurmountable. I'd be amazed if they don't make the semis, bar drawing Cork or Dublin in the quarters.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: AZOffaly on June 11, 2012, 09:16:11 AM
Also, that is not to come across as a defense about Kerry, they were well off the pace they needed yesterday, and Cork deserved the win. If Cork get all their forwards back in harness they will be the team to beat I think. The Cork backs were shaky enough at times, especially when they were run at (Joe!), and I get the feeling that if Kerry play Cork in Croker later in the year, the likes of Declan O'Sullivan will not be allowed that much freedom on the ball to solo at them.

This felt to me like a phoney war, as many Cork-Kerry games have been in Munster in the last few years, as both teams have a couple of gears to find I think.

I wouldn't write off Kerry just yet, and I'm not sure they need to be 'reinvented' as such, they just need to increase their intensity. That game was a mile off the intensity of the Armagh-Tyrone game, but we know Kerry and Cork can raise the intensity from there.

Also, not sure who mentioned about Brian Sheehan not being worth at least 4 or 5 points because he's not the only one that can take them, well I think that was proven yesterday. I'd have backed Sheehan to score at least 3 out of the 4 chances from distance that Kerry had, and I think the only score from a longish free they got was when Gooch went short to Declan Sullivan.

Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Canalman on June 11, 2012, 09:23:36 AM
leighton glynn has a strange accent, is that how wicklow people talk? any i ever met just sounded like southside dubs, which they are i guess

He has a seriously strong Wicklow accent.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: haze on June 11, 2012, 09:27:35 AM
I made the mistake of not watering the flowers at half time in the Kerry game yesterday, and stupidly listened to the half time anal-ysis. Joe Brolly needs to be taken off that job now. He contributes nothing and his insulting of lads who have all Ireland medals coming out their pockets is a disgrace. He;s not fit to lace some of their boots, yet he feels it is appropriate to call Darren O'Sullivan a selfish under 10? Gobshite. Darren O'Sullivan's pacy runs are a ploy Kerry deliberately use you eejit, and if Donaghy had rattled the net then one of those runs would have been responsible for a goal. To say he runs because he is selfish and doesn't want to pass until he runs into someone's "knee-literaly" is absolutely stupid analysis.

Then they pick 3 clips of Kerry lads soloing the ball as evidence that they don't look up, ignoring the long balls kicked into Kieran O'Leary and Gooch and Donaghy that scores came from. It's as if they have a pre-determined rant they want to go on, and then spend the entire half/game looking for examples that support their argument, ignoring anything that contradicts their prejudice.

Also, when you pick up a break, your first instinct is to secure possession, then a solo coming out of the pack, and then you look up. All of the Kerry lads they picked out did exactly that. Joe would have you believe they should win the ball and take their first solo, under pressure, while scanning the field for options. Crazy stuff altogether.

What annoys me the most is the total lack of balance in their analysis. I dont think anyone would mind if they raised legitimate points about Kerry's poor display in the first half IF they could also draw the attention of the viewer to, as you said, the excellent foot passes that did lead to scores. It is so infuriating.

Or before the match they predictably showed outdated clips of how Cork build slowly and often laterally from the back.. From casually watching Cork this year in the league it appeared to me that they were playing a much more direct game than usual. But it didnt suit the agenda of the Sunday game pundits who are paid to do this to show any clips of this.

One last point - if one more pundit, commentator co-commentator bangs on about a how a high ball into the full forward is as a direct result of the new square ball rule i am going to sound mute the tv.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: AZOffaly on June 11, 2012, 09:41:32 AM
The long passes did lead to scores, which they ignored, but also all 3 of the Kerry goal chances came as a direct result of Declan O'Sullivan and Darren O'Sullivan running at the heart of the Cork defence, drawing a man and giving the ball off. It's a very effective attacking ploy they have used numerous times.

If Gooch x 2 and Donaghy had rattle the twines, Kerry could have been 6-9 points up at half time and the guys would be picking on some Cork supposed failing that they had pre-prepared. Guaranteed.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: sheamy on June 11, 2012, 09:46:55 AM
These pundits seem to think their mission is to shape how the game is played by badgering managers and teams. They have totally given up on analyzing a game or providing any insight. I can't recall the last time I heard any of them say anything not blatantly obvious. They blather on about kicking the ball and how Crossmaglen are the new pioneers and visionaries of the game. All their ranting a raving seems to come down to the following 'they think someone in corner back should kick the ball 40 yards'. When you boil it down, that's it. In fairness Cross are one of the few teams you see doing this and are a joy to watch as a result. But just say that and move on for christ sake. It's ego mania to go on a crusade of being a saviour of the game, getting paid a few grand every sunday to talk shite, and slating amateur players in the process. To pick on Darren O'Sullivan shows just how stupid they are. He is used in two ways: 1) as one of the paciest runners in the game to take people on and create mayhem (much like what Brolly himself based his game on albeit vastly inferior at same) 2) as one of the best players at delivering long diagonal ball. How often have you seen him launch a 50 yard pass to perfection into Donaghy? Countless times over the years. It has to be used sparingly though else it becomes predictable. Anyway, these pundits are an embarrassment...rant over.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: orangeman on June 11, 2012, 09:59:25 AM
The long passes did lead to scores, which they ignored, but also all 3 of the Kerry goal chances came as a direct result of Declan O'Sullivan and Darren O'Sullivan running at the heart of the Cork defence, drawing a man and giving the ball off. It's a very effective attacking ploy they have used numerous times.

If Gooch x 2 and Donaghy had rattle the twines, Kerry could have been 6-9 points up at half time and the guys would be picking on some Cork supposed failing that they had pre-prepared. Guaranteed.

No doubt. And O'Connor would have been the best thing since bread was sliced and praised for reinventing the team again.

Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Ohtoohtobe on June 11, 2012, 10:13:37 AM
What annoys me is that not one of these pundits has put their theories to the test by managing an inter-county team.
Would love to see what would happen if Pat Spillane took over a county, banned gym work and had the lads playing backs and forwards in training.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: yellowcard on June 11, 2012, 11:32:13 AM
These pundits seem to think their mission is to shape how the game is played by badgering managers and teams. They have totally given up on analyzing a game or providing any insight. I can't recall the last time I heard any of them say anything not blatantly obvious. They blather on about kicking the ball and how Crossmaglen are the new pioneers and visionaries of the game. All their ranting a raving seems to come down to the following 'they think someone in corner back should kick the ball 40 yards'. When you boil it down, that's it. In fairness Cross are one of the few teams you see doing this and are a joy to watch as a result. But just say that and move on for christ sake. It's ego mania to go on a crusade of being a saviour of the game, getting paid a few grand every sunday to talk shite, and slating amateur players in the process. To pick on Darren O'Sullivan shows just how stupid they are. He is used in two ways: 1) as one of the paciest runners in the game to take people on and create mayhem (much like what Brolly himself based his game on albeit vastly inferior at same) 2) as one of the best players at delivering long diagonal ball. How often have you seen him launch a 50 yard pass to perfection into Donaghy? Countless times over the years. It has to be used sparingly though else it becomes predictable. Anyway, these pundits are an embarrassment...rant over.
How much is a few? 2,3,4...? Not a bit of wonder they don't manage teams.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Rossfan on June 11, 2012, 11:46:28 AM
This show has now become an appalling embarassment.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: orangeman on June 11, 2012, 11:48:04 AM
This show has now become an appalling embarassment.

Which we all watch.

But I suppose then a lot of people watch Coronation Street, Eastenders etc.

Bring back Tohill.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Orchardman on June 11, 2012, 06:54:50 PM
didn't big anto tohill get the deadner for speaking out of line one day? he was turning into a good pundit too, took him a few years to warm up. For some reason i don't mind mcstay, bit of a spoofer but he's grand.

Everything that is said about brolly and spillane is true, in fact i never listen to them now, brutal. I like the guys on BBC, but even marty mchugh, a smart football man im sure, is prone to making wild sweeping statements and bullshit analysis.

RTE have some great men for the hurling, and eddie brennan has been a good addition this year, smart talker and no bullshit. Surely we must have some good football men? Kevin cassidy is good whenever he's on TG4

Finally, armagh and john kingham yesterday showed that spillane's 'long ball into the full forward line' is clearly not always the best answer, unless you have both a suitable target man and quality ball going in. Didn't work for big kingham yesterday, but hopefully he'l keep working at it and could well be a useful option
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Gold on June 11, 2012, 07:59:59 PM
leighton glynn has a strange accent, is that how wicklow people talk? any i ever met just sounded like southside dubs, which they are i guess

Thats why i came on the Board--to talk about it--weird accent--was wondering if that was a typical Wicklow accent.

The lesser spotted Wicklow Accent
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: screenexile on June 11, 2012, 08:10:08 PM
didn't big anto tohill get the deadner for speaking out of line one day? he was turning into a good pundit too, took him a few years to warm up. For some reason i don't mind mcstay, bit of a spoofer but he's grand.

Everything that is said about brolly and spillane is true, in fact i never listen to them now, brutal. I like the guys on BBC, but even marty mchugh, a smart football man im sure, is prone to making wild sweeping statements and bullshit analysis.

RTE have some great men for the hurling, and eddie brennan has been a good addition this year, smart talker and no bullshit. Surely we must have some good football men? Kevin cassidy is good whenever he's on TG4

Finally, armagh and john kingham yesterday showed that spillane's 'long ball into the full forward line' is clearly not always the best answer, unless you have both a suitable target man and quality ball going in. Didn't work for big kingham yesterday, but hopefully he'l keep working at it and could well be a useful option

Anything Martin McHugh says that makes sense is undone by his blatant anti Derry bias that shines gloriously through in all his columns and commentary for the BBC. He's a mouth!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: seafoid on June 11, 2012, 08:30:11 PM
Spillane and Brolly are too fond of the quip. The 'smart one'.

FFS - I dunno about Wexford but did Spillane expect Longford to play like Brazil of 1970. We've come from a position of being third last in Div 4 three or so year ago (just ahead of London and Kilkenny) to a Div 2 spot and not mixing it with the second tier teams like Laois, Mayo etc. His comment on medicine balls and cones were daft and if this is analysis then fcuk me pink.

So a team that reaches an AI semi and a league final in 8 months is second tier and ranked with Laois. To bed with yourself.
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A bit touchy there, Moysider.
Mayo are still a work in progress.  They are a year ahead of Galway  ;)
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Hoof Hearted on June 11, 2012, 08:31:01 PM
didn't big anto tohill get the deadner for speaking out of line one day? he was turning into a good pundit too, took him a few years to warm up. For some reason i don't mind mcstay, bit of a spoofer but he's grand.

Everything that is said about brolly and spillane is true, in fact i never listen to them now, brutal. I like the guys on BBC, but even marty mchugh, a smart football man im sure, is prone to making wild sweeping statements and bullshit analysis.

RTE have some great men for the hurling, and eddie brennan has been a good addition this year, smart talker and no bullshit. Surely we must have some good football men? Kevin cassidy is good whenever he's on TG4

Finally, armagh and john kingham yesterday showed that spillane's 'long ball into the full forward line' is clearly not always the best answer, unless you have both a suitable target man and quality ball going in. Didn't work for big kingham yesterday, but hopefully he'l keep working at it and could well be a useful option

Anything Martin McHugh says that makes sense is undone by his blatant anti Derry bias that shines gloriously through in all his columns and commentary for the BBC. He's a mouth!

mus have Draperstown blood in him somewhere 1
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: armaghniac on June 12, 2012, 12:34:13 AM
Quote
was wondering if that was a typical Wicklow accent.

That's your real Wicklow accent.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Asal Mor on June 12, 2012, 03:16:24 AM
I made the mistake of not watering the flowers at half time in the Kerry game yesterday, and stupidly listened to the half time anal-ysis. Joe Brolly needs to be taken off that job now. He contributes nothing and his insulting of lads who have all Ireland medals coming out their pockets is a disgrace. He;s not fit to lace some of their boots, yet he feels it is appropriate to call Darren O'Sullivan a selfish under 10? Gobshite. Darren O'Sullivan's pacy runs are a ploy Kerry deliberately use you eejit, and if Donaghy had rattled the net then one of those runs would have been responsible for a goal. To say he runs because he is selfish and doesn't want to pass until he runs into someone's "knee-literaly" is absolutely stupid analysis.

Then they pick 3 clips of Kerry lads soloing the ball as evidence that they don't look up, ignoring the long balls kicked into Kieran O'Leary and Gooch and Donaghy that scores came from. It's as if they have a pre-determined rant they want to go on, and then spend the entire half/game looking for examples that support their argument, ignoring anything that contradicts their prejudice.

Also, when you pick up a break, your first instinct is to secure possession, then a solo coming out of the pack, and then you look up. All of the Kerry lads they picked out did exactly that. Joe would have you believe they should win the ball and take their first solo, under pressure, while scanning the field for options. Crazy stuff altogether.

Good post AZ. I agree with all of that.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: rrhf on June 12, 2012, 09:35:44 AM
Im no lover of Kerry football but men like Darren O Sullivan deserve more respect from pundits than that. 
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: screenexile on June 12, 2012, 10:40:47 PM
didn't big anto tohill get the deadner for speaking out of line one day? he was turning into a good pundit too, took him a few years to warm up. For some reason i don't mind mcstay, bit of a spoofer but he's grand.

Everything that is said about brolly and spillane is true, in fact i never listen to them now, brutal. I like the guys on BBC, but even marty mchugh, a smart football man im sure, is prone to making wild sweeping statements and bullshit analysis.

RTE have some great men for the hurling, and eddie brennan has been a good addition this year, smart talker and no bullshit. Surely we must have some good football men? Kevin cassidy is good whenever he's on TG4

Finally, armagh and john kingham yesterday showed that spillane's 'long ball into the full forward line' is clearly not always the best answer, unless you have both a suitable target man and quality ball going in. Didn't work for big kingham yesterday, but hopefully he'l keep working at it and could well be a useful option

Anything Martin McHugh says that makes sense is undone by his blatant anti Derry bias that shines gloriously through in all his columns and commentary for the BBC. He's a mouth!

mus have Draperstown blood in him somewhere 1

tfal?? lol
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Champion The Wonder Horse on June 13, 2012, 08:07:53 PM
didn't big anto tohill get the deadner for speaking out of line one day?

No.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Dinny Breen on June 17, 2012, 10:47:41 PM
What purpose does it serve to show Davy Fitz swearing, seriously you'd wonder have the people complaining ever been involved in sport when emotions are high and intense.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: here comes 6 on June 17, 2012, 10:57:22 PM
Des Cahill is the biggest mistake the Sunday game has ever made
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: From the Bunker on June 17, 2012, 11:16:21 PM
What purpose does it serve to show Davy Fitz swearing, seriously you'd wonder have the people complaining ever been involved in sport when emotions are high and intense.

Yeah, jez that's sport! Show us your medals and all that. In the heat of the moment, you'll say and often do anything. It was caught on Telly, that's the difference.

Des Cahill is the biggest mistake the Sunday game has ever made


Yeah, should stick to the day job with Pat Kenny!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Dinny Breen on June 17, 2012, 11:32:39 PM
What purpose does it serve to show Davy Fitz swearing, seriously you'd wonder have the people complaining ever been involved in sport when emotions are high and intense.

Yeah, jez that's sport! Show us your medals and all that. In the heat of the moment, you'll say and often do anything. It was caught on Telly, that's the difference.


Classic moment in fairness but hardly worth analysis, Eddie Brennan got a good kick out probably thinking my 8 beats 2.

Davy Fitz and Eoin Kelly exchange pleasantries (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UY-jxdbxn0&feature=player_embedded)
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Dinny Breen on June 17, 2012, 11:34:01 PM
Also it was nice of Pat Spillane to give Alan Mulhall credit for some great saves today, superb goalie and Offaly's best player today.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 17, 2012, 11:40:41 PM
What purpose does it serve to show Davy Fitz swearing, seriously you'd wonder have the people complaining ever been involved in sport when emotions are high and intense.

You'd hear worse at an u14 match. The Sunday Game really is tabloid tv these days. All sensationalist bullshit and hyperbole. I think most people would prefer to watch proper extended highlights instead of all this "expert analysis."
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: From the Bunker on June 17, 2012, 11:41:39 PM
Spillane on speed tonight, Poor Whelan left as a spectator on the show.  ???
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Captain Obvious on June 18, 2012, 12:09:13 AM
After Spillane hype up Donegal tonight i expect them to flop now.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: cadence on June 18, 2012, 09:28:28 AM
After Spillane hype up Donegal tonight i expect them to flop now.

his response to how we play football, was untenable in the long run. a climb down for him, but that was inevitable i reckon. wish he would still slag us off though. he's just a silly. like a jeremy clarkson that commentates on gaa.   
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: sheamy on June 18, 2012, 09:33:46 AM
What purpose does it serve to show Davy Fitz swearing, seriously you'd wonder have the people complaining ever been involved in sport when emotions are high and intense.

It was car crash tv. You could even see how uncomfortable Cahill was raising it, not to mention the panel discussing it.

'Ah look now,...'
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on June 18, 2012, 10:33:47 AM
What purpose does it serve to show Davy Fitz swearing, seriously you'd wonder have the people complaining ever been involved in sport when emotions are high and intense.

It was car crash tv. You could even see how uncomfortable Cahill was raising it, not to mention the panel discussing it.

'Ah look now,...'

I was laughing at Eddie laughing in the background. Surprised, yet not in the least surprised, that they aired the clip.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: thejuice on June 18, 2012, 10:39:03 AM
It would be interesting to see if TV3 were to have a similar highlights show on at the same time. If TV3 could keep up the quality of analysis they they have for their live broadcasts it would be strong competition.

I wonder how RTE would react.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ck on June 18, 2012, 05:17:07 PM
The Sunday Game has gone down the tubes. Des Cathal is a bumbling bafoon and a really poor presenter. As for Spillane last night, I usually enjoy his oul nonsence but last night he annoyed me. Now he has Donegal in as 3rd best team in the country after taking lumps out of them last year. I personally detest the new era of defensive football and at least Pat was consistant in his criticism it. Now he jumps on the bandwagon. He just says anything to be controversial, doesnt matter if it's accurate. A typical hindsight pundit - zero foresight! That's why he's on a couch and not on the sidelines!

The day time show with Michael Leister is much better. The night time version is becoming cheap and tacky.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: magpie seanie on June 18, 2012, 05:20:33 PM
Des Cahill is the biggest mistake the Sunday game has ever made


Yes and that's saying something.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on June 18, 2012, 05:31:35 PM
The Sunday Game has gone down the tubes. Des Cathal is a bumbling bafoon and a really poor presenter. As for Spillane last night, I usually enjoy his oul nonsence but last night he annoyed me. Now he has Donegal in as 3rd best team in the country after taking lumps out of them last year. I personally detest the new era of defensive football and at least Pat was consistant in his criticism it. Now he jumps on the bandwagon. He just says anything to be controversial, doesnt matter if it's accurate. A typical hindsight pundit - zero foresight! That's why he's on a couch and not on the sidelines!

The day time show with Michael Leister is much better. The night time version is becoming cheap and tacky.

List out the most 'defensive' teams in your opinion.
Now list out the teams that regularly score in excess of 15 points per game.
We live in an era of attacking football as much as we live in an era of defensive football.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Gold on June 18, 2012, 11:38:54 PM
Des Cahill is the biggest mistake the Sunday game has ever made


Yes and that's saying something.

Does no one remember when Pat presented it?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: screenexile on June 19, 2012, 10:15:12 AM
Des Cahill is the biggest mistake the Sunday game has ever made


Yes and that's saying something.

Does no one remember when Pat presented it?

 :'( :'( :'( :'(

Why ... Why did you have to remind us of that abomination!!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ck on June 19, 2012, 10:24:57 AM
When Spillane presented the Sunday Game a few years back I had a cousin home from America who wouldnt believe me that Spillane was a real presenter and not a comedy sketch!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: magpie seanie on June 19, 2012, 01:55:27 PM
I think Cahill is worse because he should know better.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: mylestheslasher on July 01, 2012, 11:52:35 PM
Some bluffers on this show. Martin McHugh tonight came up with another classic. Two of Ulsters weaker teams, Cavan and Fermanagh, are playing. Instead of actually finding out what happened he makes it up. Martin reckons the game turned in Cavans favour when Givney went off injured forcing Cavan to play Gearoid McKiernan at midfield. Great stuff Martin except its complete bollocks...

- McKiernan was named at Ctr forward in the program but played the entire game at midfield and was never moved anywhere.
- Givney was named in midfield but started in the FF line and was later moved out to Ctr forward.
- Givney went off injured in the 1st half, Cavan were 3 points down at that stage.
- 15 minutes into the 2nd half Cavan were 6 points down, so this turn around happened long after Givney went off.
- The turnaround happened just after Declan McKiernan came on and went into midfield, substituted on for Mark McKeever.

How much would it take for McHugh to actually find out some detail of the game before spouting shite on TV?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: tierworker blue on July 02, 2012, 12:01:19 AM
Yeah, badly researched by Mc Hugh...he got a few details a**eways.
Still, t'was more positive from him than the last analysis of Cavan...he acknowledged that we were double u-21 and last year's minor champions, but in the same breath moaned and threw the eyes up to heaven saying that we 'just don't have the talent coming through!' (he must've said that 3 or 4 times in that particular interview!) I don't know who annoyed him that day, but he really stuck the boot in!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Ard-Rí on July 02, 2012, 12:02:05 AM
Some of the qualifier round up commentaries sounded like text-to-speech generators.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Captain Obvious on July 02, 2012, 12:06:10 AM
Some of the camera work on those qualifier games was atrocious.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: theticklemister on July 02, 2012, 12:07:28 AM
At least mcstay corrected carneys woeful rules knowledge from earlier on in the day by stating tomas oconnor's point should never have stood
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Main Street on July 02, 2012, 09:58:57 AM
In that company (McHugh and Cahill), McStay appeared composed and knowledgeable.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: orangeman on July 02, 2012, 10:00:18 AM
In that company (McHugh and Cahill), McStay appeared composed and knowledgeable.

Big difference.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Christmas Lights on July 02, 2012, 10:45:55 AM
Is this the most negative thread on gaaboard?

Lot of experts pundits and presenters in here  ::)
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Bensars on July 02, 2012, 10:55:12 AM
Some of the qualifier round up commentaries sounded like text-to-speech generators.

Could be wrong but i thought one commentator compared the goal in the Derry v Longford game  as similar to that scored by JODY Sheridan.   ( Could be wrong )
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Qwerty28 on July 02, 2012, 11:46:41 AM
The Longford -Derry commentary was done by Ciaran Mullolly...Longford own Anchorman, more suited to doing a piece on turf cutting on the 6 o clock news before the sport than a piece of sports reporting!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: screenexile on July 02, 2012, 11:50:09 AM
Does anyone know why a camera from the 1960's was used for the piece on Derry??!!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Hoof Hearted on July 15, 2012, 09:16:40 PM
starting shortly - quite ironic that it's being preceeded by Fr Ted. dougal Ted and Jack having a good conversation on the sofa there
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Dinny Breen on July 15, 2012, 09:34:57 PM
starting shortly - quite ironic that it's being preceeded by Fr Ted. dougal Ted and Jack having a good conversation on the sofa there

Expect a repeat of the Munster Hurling for 40 mins including analysis  then 15 mins on the Connacht final followed by less than 5 mins per qualifier.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Hoof Hearted on July 15, 2012, 09:44:04 PM
starting shortly - quite ironic that it's being preceeded by Fr Ted. dougal Ted and Jack having a good conversation on the sofa there

Expect a repeat of the Munster Hurling for 40 mins including analysis  then 15 mins on the Connacht final followed by less than 5 mins per qualifier.

heading that road alright
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Beantown on July 15, 2012, 10:10:35 PM
Mug of tea, check.. kitkats, check... great theme tune, check...

Des sucking the life out of any excitement i  have, unfortunately check!!

Great hair gel though....
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ballinaman on July 15, 2012, 10:11:51 PM
Eddie Brennan is as wooden as a hurl....
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ck on July 15, 2012, 10:15:22 PM
I love the game of hurling but god the RTE hurling pundits are very boring. Stating the obvious with little insight. At least the football lads don't hold back and have a bit of spark about them
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: theticklemister on July 15, 2012, 10:16:06 PM
Donal O Grady is fantastic; he's a man ye could go for a pint with.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: macdanger2 on July 15, 2012, 10:30:03 PM
Nice to see Pat coming out with something fresh and insightful......
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: squire_in_navy_slacks on July 15, 2012, 10:45:30 PM
Spillane thinks hes Stone Cold Steve Austin with his "bottom line" comments.............................. hope whelan knocks him clean out with his massive head..................................oul Cahill stoned off his bracket as usual
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: neilthemac on July 15, 2012, 10:57:06 PM
Donal O Grady is fantastic; he's a man ye could go for a pint with.

have done, back in May. sound man.
Had a great chat 'as Gaeilge' about the upcoming Limerick v Tipp game
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: From the Bunker on July 15, 2012, 11:37:11 PM
starting shortly - quite ironic that it's being preceeded by Fr Ted. dougal Ted and Jack having a good conversation on the sofa there

Expect a repeat of the Munster Hurling for 40 mins including analysis  then 15 mins on the Connacht final followed by less than 5 mins per qualifier.

Agreed, Look i know they have a budget. But games that got full coverage during the day should only get a (small) summary in the evening show. Ok maybe a (small) bit more if it's a provincial final.  They already got their exposure.
Most people who have a interest in the game that's live on TV will watch it live on Tv, go to the game, record the game on sky+, watch it online the next day.
But if your game is not live you are left with this rushed through summary of 4-5 minutes and a half arsed analysis of the game, by analysists who you know have not really seen the game and are working on prompts.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ONeill on July 15, 2012, 11:38:51 PM
I sorta like Whelan. He's still a bit submissive to Pat but there's potential.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Duine Eile on July 16, 2012, 12:11:33 AM
Crikey Pat's tie was something else tonight, it reminded me of an old pair of curtains we used have in the "good front room" back in the 80s!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Syferus on July 16, 2012, 01:29:36 AM
Pat's Titanic sure is taking its sweet fecking time sinking.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: seafoid on July 16, 2012, 10:50:55 AM
starting shortly - quite ironic that it's being preceeded by Fr Ted. dougal Ted and Jack having a good conversation on the sofa there

Expect a repeat of the Munster Hurling for 40 mins including analysis  then 15 mins on the Connacht final followed by less than 5 mins per qualifier.
That is what happens when you get dumped out of any provincial championship.
There were 8 qualifiers and there is only one Munster hurling final . 
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: seafoid on July 16, 2012, 11:26:21 AM
When Spillane presented the Sunday Game a few years back I had a cousin home from America who wouldnt believe me that Spillane was a real presenter and not a comedy sketch!
Priceless. He does look like some sort of parody. 
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Main Street on July 16, 2012, 11:48:13 AM
When Spillane presented the Sunday Game a few years back I had a cousin home from America who wouldnt believe me that Spillane was a real presenter and not a comedy sketch!
Priceless. He does look like some sort of parody.
The real Spillane is a better parody than the sketch.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: johnneycool on July 16, 2012, 12:23:25 PM
starting shortly - quite ironic that it's being preceeded by Fr Ted. dougal Ted and Jack having a good conversation on the sofa there

Expect a repeat of the Munster Hurling for 40 mins including analysis  then 15 mins on the Connacht final followed by less than 5 mins per qualifier.

And What's the problem with that?  ;D

it'll be all football next weekend.


Big Whelan needs to stand up for himself the next time Pat cuts him off, puts the hand on his knee then says what whelan is about to say.
Big shoulder charge off camera required there.

Has Des a deal done with just for men?

Thought the Seany Johnston skit was a bit car crash though!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Dinny Breen on July 16, 2012, 12:38:27 PM
Whealo needs to wear his big white gloves whilst on the TV, hard to recognise him without them.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Ard-Rí on July 16, 2012, 02:16:26 PM
Whealo needs to wear his big white gloves whilst on the TV, hard to recognise him without them.

The big square jaw is enough for me to know him.
He is improving as a pundit though, he was nervous when he first joined TSG, but a crash course in Brolly relaxation techniques have really helped.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Dinny Breen on July 16, 2012, 02:21:17 PM
Whealo needs to wear his big white gloves whilst on the TV, hard to recognise him without them.

The big square jaw is enough for me to know him.
He is improving as a pundit though, he was nervous when he first joined TSG, but a crash course in Brolly relaxation techniques have really helped.

He's hitting the sauce?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Ard-Rí on July 16, 2012, 02:41:01 PM
Something like that, yeah.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Shamrock Shore on July 16, 2012, 02:55:17 PM
Pet was doing a fair bit of knee toucing of Whelan
Des's hair will soon get its own show - it's unreal. How is it so black and the hoor the wrong side of 50?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Syferus on July 16, 2012, 10:25:13 PM
Pet was doing a fair bit of knee toucing of Whelan
Des's hair will soon get its own show - it's unreal. How is it so black and the hoor the wrong side of 50?

Shoe polish and pan grease.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Gaffer on July 16, 2012, 10:43:26 PM
Pet was doing a fair bit of knee toucing of Whelan
Des's hair will soon get its own show - it's unreal. How is it so black and the hoor the wrong side of 50?

He obviously dips the head into a barrel of inkbefore the show.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 16, 2012, 10:45:57 PM
Pet was doing a fair bit of knee toucing of Whelan
Des's hair will soon get its own show - it's unreal. How is it so black and the hoor the wrong side of 50?
He can't do outside broadcasts in case the rain causes an oil slick... Morrissey isn't 100% natural either by the looks of him.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Gazzler on July 16, 2012, 10:47:40 PM
Whelans accent is annoying..
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Aristo 60 on July 17, 2012, 01:35:41 PM
Pet was doing a fair bit of knee toucing of Whelan
Des's hair will soon get its own show - it's unreal. How is it so black and the hoor the wrong side of 50?

He obviously dips the head into a barrel of inkbefore the show.

There be's rows from time to time between himself and Marty back in the green room as to who dips the head first. Saw Marty in a car show room in Belfast once. The sales guy asked him what colour he was thinking of and i'm nearly sure Marty said "touch of gray" (R)
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on July 18, 2012, 01:25:14 AM
Pet was doing a fair bit of knee toucing of Whelan
Des's hair will soon get its own show - it's unreal. How is it so black and the hoor the wrong side of 50?
He can't do outside broadcasts in case the rain causes an oil slick... Morrissey isn't 100% natural either by the looks of him.

You can sing that.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: From the Bunker on July 22, 2012, 10:01:08 PM
Why are they showing (Late on a Sunday night) a mini documentary on Leitrim winning a Connacht title in 1994? Are they afraid to give time to the games that did not get live coverage?

Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: AQMP on July 22, 2012, 10:05:22 PM
To make way for a feature on cynicism in football...
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Minder on July 22, 2012, 10:09:24 PM
Why would you want to see the games when you can listen to McStay and Spillane talking shite.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ross4life on July 22, 2012, 10:11:34 PM
Why are they showing (Late on a Sunday night) a mini documentary on Leitrim winning a Connacht title in 1994? Are they afraid to give time to the games that did not get live coverage?
Probably the best bit on the Sunday game tonight, they should show moments like that more often.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 22, 2012, 10:15:02 PM
G that crossmaglen accent a strange one but aside from that he`s impeccable dressed
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: imtommygunn on July 22, 2012, 10:18:11 PM
Missed the games today so didn't want to know scores. Pre Dublin meath they advertise Meath Laois qualifier.

That and probably about a third of scores in games shown due to 1994 and big amount of crap being talked - poor show.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Orchardman on July 22, 2012, 10:24:56 PM
Don't know whats wrong with people, mcstay is a top pundit, fairly good to listen to. Spillane adds nothing to the table
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: imtommygunn on July 22, 2012, 10:29:25 PM
Mcstay is far from a top pundit.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: From the Bunker on July 22, 2012, 10:46:29 PM
Don't know whats wrong with people, mcstay is a top pundit, fairly good to listen to. Spillane adds nothing to the table

McStay loves Kildare, he's bought into the hype.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Syferus on July 22, 2012, 10:48:01 PM
Why are they showing (Late on a Sunday night) a mini documentary on Leitrim winning a Connacht title in 1994? Are they afraid to give time to the games that did not get live coverage?
Probably the best bit on the Sunday game tonight, they should show moments like that more often.

Can barely remember the last time RTE produced a proper GAA documentary, they do a five minute interview segment with a few former and current players and then thrown on extended highlights of the AI final at Christmas and call it a documentary but that's about it. There was a decent one going behind the scenes of Croke Park on AI final day but that had little to do with the sport itself.

I know TG4 do some good documentaries but would it really be that hard for RTE to do something like what America's Game (chronicling a season of a team through a rapid mixture of interviews and quick-cut highlights and archive footage of different angles, not just offering up the tv broadcast in repeat) for gaelic football? Even the TG4 stuff are as static as a headstone, there's just no verve to them at all.

The sad part is RTE already did a fantastic job of exactly that type of documentary with Reaching for Glory, which told the story of the Irish rugby team's 2007 season.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: squire_in_navy_slacks on July 22, 2012, 10:48:16 PM
Jason Ryan seems to bring alot to the table lads.............................doesnt talk shite and is easy on the eye..........hes a keeper, mcstay and davis are complete mutton heads

Brolly must be on the piss up in Clones ? he,ll have a head like a hatchet wound i da,morrow
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: From the Bunker on July 22, 2012, 10:56:20 PM
Poor Aaron is like a young lad out on the piss with two uncles!

Win at all cost.......Never!  :P
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on July 22, 2012, 10:57:44 PM
 ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: eviemonkey on July 22, 2012, 10:59:08 PM

The sad part is RTE already did a fantastic job of exactly that type of documentary with Reaching for Glory, which told the story of the Irish rugby team's 2007 season.

Ryle Nugent must have pushed the boat out on that one.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: From the Bunker on July 22, 2012, 11:02:16 PM
Des is going to the Olympics. Well thanks be to god for that.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on July 22, 2012, 11:11:38 PM
Which event?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Captain Obvious on July 22, 2012, 11:14:57 PM
Which event?
Hopefully boxing or maybe swimming to wash the heavy dye from his hair.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: From the Bunker on July 22, 2012, 11:16:52 PM
Which event?
Hopefully boxing or maybe swimming to wash the heavy dye from his hair.

Curling!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Gazzler on July 22, 2012, 11:31:08 PM
Which event?
Hopefully boxing or maybe swimming to wash the heavy dye from his hair.

Curling!
At the Summer Olympics?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: From the Bunker on July 22, 2012, 11:46:53 PM
Which event?
Hopefully boxing or maybe swimming to wash the heavy dye from his hair.

Curling!
At the Summer Olympics?

Summer Olympics? Nah, i was talking about his hair!  :P
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: IolarCoisCuain on July 22, 2012, 11:52:14 PM
Des is going to the Olympics. Well thanks be to god for that.

Who'll present the Sunday Game in his absence?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on July 22, 2012, 11:53:30 PM
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Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: saffron sam2 on July 23, 2012, 12:05:58 AM
Des is going to the Olympics. Well thanks be to god for that.

Who'll present the Sunday Game in his absence?

Mick Lyster, according to the man himself.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: squire_in_navy_slacks on July 23, 2012, 12:08:48 AM
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Nah that lad is gonna be all over Katie Taylors ring  ;)
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: IolarCoisCuain on July 23, 2012, 12:12:10 AM
Des is going to the Olympics. Well thanks be to god for that.

Who'll present the Sunday Game in his absence?

Mick Lyster, according to the man himself.

Can't bear Lyster, but I guess he's the obvious choice. At least they're not bringing Spillane back as presenter. That was a disaster.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: theticklemister on July 23, 2012, 02:24:46 AM
Which event?

Hopefully boxing or maybe swimming to wash the heavy dye from his hair.

Curling!


Fell asleep after the Meath v Dublin game and only awakening up now...............laughing me balls off at these comments; I'm telling ye lads we have some very funny people on this forum!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: theticklemister on July 23, 2012, 02:27:24 AM
Micheal Lyster is our Gay Byrne, or to us northerners Gerry Kelly so..................


LEAVE MICHAEL LYSTER ALONE!!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: screenexile on July 23, 2012, 08:57:58 AM
Just thought I would mention I thought Aaron Kernan was excellent last night!!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: here comes 6 on July 23, 2012, 09:08:46 AM
Just thought I would mention I thought Aaron Kernan was excellent last night!!
Aaron was Excellent. Why??  Because he knows the game and talks total sense.  Spillane thinks all teams should play the way kerry play.  As for Kevin McStay he doesnt even know the difference in limerick and Kildare. He gets all excited when Des asks him a Question as if Him and Des are having a fling
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: cadence on July 23, 2012, 10:10:43 AM
any chance of one of yous has recorded it and throwing up a youtube link please? we don't get it over here until late wednesday night.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: blewuporstuffed on July 23, 2012, 11:23:32 AM
Just thought I would mention I thought Aaron Kernan was excellent last night!!
i thought he was a wee bit nervous and uncomfortable , but that was understanable. spoke quiet well though, and showed a bit of insight, not like those other 2 muppets.
think once he gets used to the tv appearances, he could be very good.
there are a few ex players about that are very good pundits, which makes it starnage that rte persist with teh people the do

sennan connell, canavan,o'se, o'cineade,parkinson, tohill are all better at analyising the modern game than the crap we usually have to listen to from spillane, mcstay & mchugh etc
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: rodney trotter on July 23, 2012, 11:40:30 AM
The lads on tv3 are alot better. Sennan Connell says it as it is, so does Canavan and Brady. Spillane is sounding like a broken record at this stage, repeating himself over with Kerry the artists of football and the other counties still learning how to play it. I hope Cork meet Kerry again in the quarter finals, once Kerry beat Clare. Spillane said Cork would never beat Kerry in Croke Park so i'd love to see him prove wrong. RTE is unwatchable when Spillane and Brolly are on at the same time, i don't know who is worse.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: cadence on July 23, 2012, 11:42:32 AM
Just thought I would mention I thought Aaron Kernan was excellent last night!!
i thought he was a wee bit nervous and uncomfortable , but that was understanable. spoke quiet well though, and showed a bit of insight, not like those other 2 muppets.
think once he gets used to the tv appearances, he could be very good.
there are a few ex players about that are very good pundits, which makes it starnage that rte persist with teh people the do

sennan connell, canavan,o'se, o'cineade,parkinson, tohill are all better at analyising the modern game than the crap we usually have to listen to from spillane, mcstay & mchugh etc

i liked canavan and o'se. tv3 is much better. mchugh, great player and legend, and has good insight into the game i think, but as a live pundit he's all stream of consciousness, but in a bad way, he rambles and never knows when to finish his point. he needs to be more succinct. out of the two rte mainstays you've mentioned, mcstay wins hands down. spillane we'll have to suffer for years. they'll never get rid of him. what we ever did to deserve him i'll never know. all the kerry greats and we get him. he's pure tabloid. 
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: orangeman on July 23, 2012, 12:05:37 PM
Just thought I would mention I thought Aaron Kernan was excellent last night!!
i thought he was a wee bit nervous and uncomfortable , but that was understanable. spoke quiet well though, and showed a bit of insight, not like those other 2 muppets.
think once he gets used to the tv appearances, he could be very good.
there are a few ex players about that are very good pundits, which makes it starnage that rte persist with teh people the do

sennan connell, canavan,o'se, o'cineade,parkinson, tohill are all better at analyising the modern game than the crap we usually have to listen to from spillane, mcstay & mchugh etc

i liked canavan and o'se. tv3 is much better. mchugh, great player and legend, and has good insight into the game i think, but as a live pundit he's all stream of consciousness, but in a bad way, he rambles and never knows when to finish his point. he needs to be more succinct. out of the two rte mainstays you've mentioned, mcstay wins hands down. spillane we'll have to suffer for years. they'll never get rid of him. what we ever did to deserve him i'll never know. all the kerry greats and we get him. he's pure tabloid.


Even his son says he should cop himself on !!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/northern-ireland/18948243
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Frank Casey on July 23, 2012, 05:39:28 PM
Spillane saying, about Brolly, that a fella like him with only one AI Medal wouldn't be left write in the parish newsletter in Kerry ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: 5 Sams on July 23, 2012, 05:41:12 PM
Spillane saying, about Brolly, that a fella like him with only one AI Medal wouldn't be left write in the parish newsletter in Kerry ;D ;D ;D

In fairness to Pat that was an e mail or a tweet that was sent into the show.....but it was probably what Pat was thinking.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: squire_in_navy_slacks on July 23, 2012, 05:57:52 PM
Spillane saying, about Brolly, that a fella like him with only one AI Medal wouldn't be left write in the parish newsletter in Kerry ;D ;D ;D

In fairness to Pat that was an e mail or a tweet that was sent into the show.....but it was probably what Pat was thinking.

Spillane is complete bafoon, sick of him and kerry lads banging on about their four hundred all irelands like they are the only ones with cocks etc
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: cadence on July 23, 2012, 06:06:12 PM
Just thought I would mention I thought Aaron Kernan was excellent last night!!
i thought he was a wee bit nervous and uncomfortable , but that was understanable. spoke quiet well though, and showed a bit of insight, not like those other 2 muppets.
think once he gets used to the tv appearances, he could be very good.
there are a few ex players about that are very good pundits, which makes it starnage that rte persist with teh people the do

sennan connell, canavan,o'se, o'cineade,parkinson, tohill are all better at analyising the modern game than the crap we usually have to listen to from spillane, mcstay & mchugh etc

i liked canavan and o'se. tv3 is much better. mchugh, great player and legend, and has good insight into the game i think, but as a live pundit he's all stream of consciousness, but in a bad way, he rambles and never knows when to finish his point. he needs to be more succinct. out of the two rte mainstays you've mentioned, mcstay wins hands down. spillane we'll have to suffer for years. they'll never get rid of him. what we ever did to deserve him i'll never know. all the kerry greats and we get him. he's pure tabloid.


Even his son says he should cop himself on !!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/northern-ireland/18948243
;D hilarious. ah these feckin' young fellas never listen... good job they don't!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: armaghniac on July 23, 2012, 06:55:52 PM
Quote
Just thought I would mention I thought Aaron Kernan was excellent last night!!

A sound first appearance. Good to see another Cross' man get up there in the pundit stakes, appropriate for the world centre of gaelic football. You can't be letting Errigal dominate the media.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: From the Bunker on July 23, 2012, 08:11:08 PM
Quote
Just thought I would mention I thought Aaron Kernan was excellent last night!!

A sound first appearance. Good to see another Cross' man get up there in the pundit stakes, appropriate for the world centre of gaelic football. You can't be letting Errigal dominate the media.

Aaron did ok, but i am always uncomfortable with players who are still playing the game doing punditry. Can be hard to say certain things. Most that will come back probably to haunt you a week or two later!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Frank Casey on July 23, 2012, 08:23:44 PM
Spillane is complete bafoon, sick of him and kerry lads banging on about their four hundred all irelands like they are the only ones with cocks etc

Good well balanced view aka a chip on both shoulders ;)
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: From the Bunker on July 29, 2012, 10:49:35 PM
Jez, The Sunday game on at (Nearly) 11pm. Feck it's a Sunday night and a weeks work is ahead. Plus if i want to see football. I'll have to watch main highlights of the Hurling that were on during the day before and nobody will want to see that coz Cork and Kilkenny won!

I'm off ta Bed. Night Night. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz  :'(
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: stew on July 29, 2012, 10:58:41 PM
All Spillane had to do was simply to retire from playing and maybe work with the Kerry minors, then the U21's and after a while he could have become a long time Kerry manager, a lot of us in here who had the privilege of watching him play at his best rated him as one of the all time greats.

when i think of him now all I think of is that he is a less articulate version of Dunphy and is about as likeable to boot, it is a shame that he has tarnished the peoples view of him, he was tremendous back in the day and now he is seen as two ends of a dogs bollocks!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Captain Obvious on July 29, 2012, 11:04:03 PM
All Spillane had to do was simply to retire from playing and maybe work with the Kerry minors, then the U21's and after a while he could have become a long time Kerry manager, a lot of us in here who had the privilege of watching him play at his best rated him as one of the all time greats.

when i think of him now all I think of is that he is a less articulate version of Dunphy and is about as likeable to boot, it is a shame that he has tarnished the peoples view of him, he was tremendous back in the day and now he is seen as two ends of a dogs bollocks!

The opposite with Gary Neville.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: screenexile on July 30, 2012, 12:15:52 AM
Joe didn't do himself any favours there. His salient point of Kerry not winning the big games when it's put up to them may have some merit but saying Gooch is a choker to try and demonstrate it was very very stupid I would say!

Cringey stuff!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: AFS on July 30, 2012, 12:34:47 AM
Joe didn't do himself any favours there. His salient point of Kerry not winning the big games when it's put up to them may have some merit but saying Gooch is a choker to try and demonstrate it was very very stupid I would say!

Cringey stuff!

Why were they wasting five minutes of the show on the stupid mutterings of one of their resident gobshites anyway? Does anyone give that much of a f**k, especially when that five minutes could've much better spent beefing out the pathetically short highlights of the four qualifiers.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: seanog on July 30, 2012, 01:05:20 AM
Joe didn't do himself any favours there. His salient point of Kerry not winning the big games when it's put up to them may have some merit but saying Gooch is a choker to try and demonstrate it was very very stupid I would say!

Cringey stuff!

Why were they wasting five minutes of the show on the stupid mutterings of one of their resident gobshites anyway? Does anyone give that much of a f**k, especially when that five minutes could've much better spent beefing out the pathetically short highlights of the four qualifiers.
   

So true, whoever is responsible for setting out the show in general should be fired. It's badly done imo, we're down to the last eight, they spent so little time analysing the games for next week yet they could spend a few mins showing us BBrogans hero Mick Galvin. I tend to find it all very disappointing , their needs to be a whole new revamp for next year, they need to find out what the GAA enthusiast wants to be watching and hearing, worthwhile stuff, not the same bllomin rhetoric we'll read in the papers tmrw.

Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Tubberman on July 30, 2012, 06:57:23 AM
I don't even watch the night-time programme of The Sunday Game anymore. It offers nothing - the highlights they show focus on the games that were already shown live. You only get some news report type coverage of the other games.
And the "analysis" is pathetic - it would just annoy me to watch that.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Premier Emperor on July 30, 2012, 11:07:56 AM
Jez, The Sunday game on at (Nearly) 11pm. Feck it's a Sunday night and a weeks work is ahead. Plus if i want to see football. I'll have to watch main highlights of the Hurling that were on during the day before and nobody will want to see that coz Cork and Kilkenny won!

I'm off ta Bed. Night Night. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz  :'(
Hurling is as much a part of the GAA as football.
Pity the likes of you see it as a nuisance!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: armaghniac on July 30, 2012, 12:01:29 PM
I think the point is that both hurling games had earlier been shown live.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: From the Bunker on July 30, 2012, 04:08:08 PM
Jez, The Sunday game on at (Nearly) 11pm. Feck it's a Sunday night and a weeks work is ahead. Plus if i want to see football. I'll have to watch main highlights of the Hurling that were on during the day before and nobody will want to see that coz Cork and Kilkenny won!

I'm off ta Bed. Night Night. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz  :'(
Hurling is as much a part of the GAA as football.
Pity the likes of you see it as a nuisance!

Note: i said the main highlights that were on during the day which i watched (in real time) and did not want to watch again.

Look you are from Tipperary and it's important to you but in the North Western half of the country, We are outsiders in this Elite game, we have as much of a connection when watching Hurling as watching Man Utd!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Denn Forever on July 30, 2012, 04:20:49 PM
I watch the highlights show on TG4 on Saturday morning.  Just the games with some interviews with Managers.  And they also show good highlightd of the Minor games.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: From the Bunker on July 30, 2012, 04:30:11 PM
Just watched the Brolly Spillane spat on The Sunday Game on the RTE Player. I do not see Colm Cooper as a Choker, but i do see merit in Brollys argument that Kerry as a Team have choked when it has been put up to them in tight games. I found Spillane annoying the way he tried to fog  of the argument with no stats, just look at the medals, but his demeanour looked uncomfortable and i think Brolly struck a chord that dwells deep in the Kerry psyche.

I watch the highlights show on TG4 on Saturday morning.  Just the games with some interviews with Managers.  And they also show good highlightd of the Minor games.

Yeah, TG4 are on the money.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ballinaman on July 30, 2012, 04:34:03 PM
Just watched the Brolly Spillane spat on The Sunday Game on the RTE Player. I do not see Colm Cooper as a Choker, but i do see merit in Brollys argument that Kerry as a Team have choked when it has been put up to them in tight games. I found Spillane annoying the way he tried to fog  of the argument with no stats, just look at the medals, but his demeanour looked uncomfortable and i think Brolly struck a chord that dwells deep in the Kerry psyche.

I watch the highlights show on TG4 on Saturday morning.  Just the games with some interviews with Managers.  And they also show good highlightd of the Minor games.

Yeah, TG4 are on the money.
Agreed, as much of a bollix that Brolly is, he did have a point...at least enough for the lads to engage in a debate. Didn't like the way Spillane and Lyster were almost laughing at him
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Premier Emperor on July 30, 2012, 04:39:56 PM
Look you are from Tipperary and it's important to you but in the North Western half of the country, We are outsiders in this Elite game, we have as much of a connection when watching Hurling as watching Man Utd!
It's your own loss if you take that attitude.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: From the Bunker on July 30, 2012, 04:46:42 PM
Just watched the Brolly Spillane spat on The Sunday Game on the RTE Player. I do not see Colm Cooper as a Choker, but i do see merit in Brollys argument that Kerry as a Team have choked when it has been put up to them in tight games. I found Spillane annoying the way he tried to fog  of the argument with no stats, just look at the medals, but his demeanour looked uncomfortable and i think Brolly struck a chord that dwells deep in the Kerry psyche.

I watch the highlights show on TG4 on Saturday morning.  Just the games with some interviews with Managers.  And they also show good highlightd of the Minor games.

Yeah, TG4 are on the money.
Agreed, as much of a bollix that Brolly is, he did have a point...at least enough for the lads to engage in a debate. Didn't like the way Spillane and Lyster were almost laughing at him

Yeah, instead of chairing the argument Lyster became part of the Spillane side which took from a good point ad did not let the debate develop. Poor review of Quarter-finals. Total disrespect for Laois, who are there on Merit and deserved more than a 'No' analysis. The rest of the analysis was wishy washy, but maybe that's all their standard of analysis is up to.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: From the Bunker on July 30, 2012, 04:52:17 PM
Look you are from Tipperary and it's important to you but in the North Western half of the country, We are outsiders in this Elite game, we have as much of a connection when watching Hurling as watching Man Utd!
It's your own loss if you take that attitude.

Of course it's our loss. Hurling is an Elite sport played at a top level by a maximum of eight counties. The rest of us are looking from a distance from the outside. The AI championship is really a glamourised Provincial Championship.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Aristo 60 on July 30, 2012, 05:05:03 PM
Just watched the Brolly Spillane spat on The Sunday Game on the RTE Player. I do not see Colm Cooper as a Choker, but i do see merit in Brollys argument that Kerry as a Team have choked when it has been put up to them in tight games. I found Spillane annoying the way he tried to fog  of the argument with no stats, just look at the medals, but his demeanour looked uncomfortable and i think Brolly struck a chord that dwells deep in the Kerry psyche.

I watch the highlights show on TG4 on Saturday morning.  Just the games with some interviews with Managers.  And they also show good highlightd of the Minor games.

Yeah, TG4 are on the money.
Agreed, as much of a bollix that Brolly is, he did have a point...at least enough for the lads to engage in a debate. Didn't like the way Spillane and Lyster were almost laughing at him

Yeah, instead of chairing the argument Lyster became part of the Spillane side which took from a good point ad did not let the debate develop. Poor review of Quarter-finals. Total disrespect for Laois, who are there on Merit and deserved more than a 'No' analysis. The rest of the analysis was wishy washy, but maybe that's all their standard of analysis is up to.

He hadn't much good to say about Down either and even took a sideswipe at us when analysising Kildare's chances. Poor form. I think every time Joe says something derogatory about another county RTE should make him finish his sentence with "but look sure what can I say, Derry are another level of sh1te".

 
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: joemamas on July 31, 2012, 01:45:30 PM
Just watched the Brolly Spillane spat on The Sunday Game on the RTE Player. I do not see Colm Cooper as a Choker, but i do see merit in Brollys argument that Kerry as a Team have choked when it has been put up to them in tight games. I found Spillane annoying the way he tried to fog  of the argument with no stats, just look at the medals, but his demeanour looked uncomfortable and i think Brolly struck a chord that dwells deep in the Kerry psyche.

I watch the highlights show on TG4 on Saturday morning.  Just the games with some interviews with Managers.  And they also show good highlightd of the Minor games.

Yeah, TG4 are on the money.
Agreed, as much of a bollix that Brolly is, he did have a point...at least enough for the lads to engage in a debate. Didn't like the way Spillane and Lyster were almost laughing at him

Thought it was best Sunday game show of the year. Michael Lyster does a wonderful job as host. He also had the dream team in the studio. Thought it was a good debate, Joe Brolly had some good points. I was laughing my arse off at Pat Spillanes expressions when he could not get a word in, he thought he was off camera and was making some awful gestures to Lyster, and Brolly kept going. I dont know how Michael Lyster keeps a straight face. Worth watching if you did not see it.
RTE if your are reading this, pay Michael Lyster double to also do the Sunday game programme. Otherwise show does not work.  This time of year you can also extend the show by 30 mins get more advertising etc (don't need a MBA in business to figure that out), and get rid of some of the nostalgia nonsense, just the facts please. I also like Kevin Mcstay who is knowledgeable and not afraid to make a point. Ciaran Whealan had also added something. Keep Tony Davis off the air, please, a complete spoofer who does little or no homework.

Q why does TV3 not have a similar type show with less bullsh*t. Surely it would up the ante on RTE.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Rossfan on July 31, 2012, 02:43:55 PM
Last Sunday night's show was probably the worst ever from a football point of view.
We had the 4  Round 4 games on that weekend only one of which was live on TV. These are high profile "last 12" games yet we got a total of about 5 minutes of action and trite little or no analysis but loads of Brolly and Spillane sh1te about Cooper being a choker.
Doesn't matter a fcuk if he is or not I want to get an idea what the games were like and then get a proper analysis as to why the winners won and the losers lost .
It can't be that hard  -- the hurling bucks on the same programme can do it.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: shawshank on July 31, 2012, 02:46:03 PM
Just watched the Brolly Spillane spat on The Sunday Game on the RTE Player. I do not see Colm Cooper as a Choker, but i do see merit in Brollys argument that Kerry as a Team have choked when it has been put up to them in tight games. I found Spillane annoying the way he tried to fog  of the argument with no stats, just look at the medals, but his demeanour looked uncomfortable and i think Brolly struck a chord that dwells deep in the Kerry psyche.

I watch the highlights show on TG4 on Saturday morning.  Just the games with some interviews with Managers.  And they also show good highlightd of the Minor games.

Yeah, TG4 are on the money.

Have a read http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/why-we-should-ignore-pundits-like-joe-brolly-202562.html
 (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/why-we-should-ignore-pundits-like-joe-brolly-202562.html)

A slightly better analysis of Kerry. You should think for your self ;)

On saying that Brolly is gas craic
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Dougal Maguire on July 31, 2012, 07:39:53 PM
Does Brolly think it cool to use phrases like ' they had no arse in their trousers' on TV. Would he use such language in a Court in front of a judge? The man's an ignoramus in my opinion.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Sportacus on July 31, 2012, 08:46:00 PM
Get Bert le Clos onto the Sunday Game panel
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: screenexile on July 31, 2012, 09:08:28 PM
"just look at Conor Mortimer... Such a beautiful boy!"
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on July 31, 2012, 10:21:33 PM
Just watched the Brolly Spillane spat on The Sunday Game on the RTE Player. I do not see Colm Cooper as a Choker, but i do see merit in Brollys argument that Kerry as a Team have choked when it has been put up to them in tight games. I found Spillane annoying the way he tried to fog  of the argument with no stats, just look at the medals, but his demeanour looked uncomfortable and i think Brolly struck a chord that dwells deep in the Kerry psyche.

I watch the highlights show on TG4 on Saturday morning.  Just the games with some interviews with Managers.  And they also show good highlightd of the Minor games.

Yeah, TG4 are on the money.

Have a read http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/why-we-should-ignore-pundits-like-joe-brolly-202562.html
 (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/why-we-should-ignore-pundits-like-joe-brolly-202562.html)

A slightly better analysis of Kerry. You should think for your self ;)

On saying that Brolly is gas craic

Thanks for posting that, don't get to read enough Kieran Shannon these days
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Mike Sheehy on August 01, 2012, 04:59:24 AM
Just watched the Brolly Spillane spat on The Sunday Game on the RTE Player. I do not see Colm Cooper as a Choker, but i do see merit in Brollys argument that Kerry as a Team have choked when it has been put up to them in tight games. I found Spillane annoying the way he tried to fog  of the argument with no stats, just look at the medals, but his demeanour looked uncomfortable and i think Brolly struck a chord that dwells deep in the Kerry psyche.

I watch the highlights show on TG4 on Saturday morning.  Just the games with some interviews with Managers.  And they also show good highlightd of the Minor games.

Yeah, TG4 are on the money.

You've been banging this drum for a few months now "From the bunker" but Its not working. It is as if you are trying to offload you're own counties "choker" tag to us  ::)  ..a bit sad really.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Asal Mor on August 01, 2012, 05:18:55 AM
That's a brilliant article by Kieran Shannon. Says it perfectly. Makes you wonder what's going on i RTE. Juding by his board almost all GAA fans are very unhappy with the football analysts. I suppose they'll always pull in the viewers anyway, having a monopoly on the unday Niht highlights.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: EC Unique on August 01, 2012, 12:35:15 PM
Brolly's point made simple. Over the last 10 - 15 years it seems that if you can stick with Kerry for 60 minutes they will choke/crumble in the last 10 and will get beaten. Seems pretty straight forward to me.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: armaghniac on August 01, 2012, 12:41:03 PM
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Brolly's point made simple. Over the last 10 - 15 years it seems that if you can stick with Kerry for 60 minutes they will choke/crumble in the last 10 and will get beaten. Seems pretty straight forward to me.

It isn't quite as simple as that. If you haven't managed to stick with Kerry for 60 minutes then you have no chance of beating them. In 2000 Armagh went to extra time in a replay against Kerry, in 2002 we beat them. It could have been other way around.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: From the Bunker on August 01, 2012, 02:23:27 PM
Just watched the Brolly Spillane spat on The Sunday Game on the RTE Player. I do not see Colm Cooper as a Choker, but i do see merit in Brollys argument that Kerry as a Team have choked when it has been put up to them in tight games. I found Spillane annoying the way he tried to fog  of the argument with no stats, just look at the medals, but his demeanour looked uncomfortable and i think Brolly struck a chord that dwells deep in the Kerry psyche.

I watch the highlights show on TG4 on Saturday morning.  Just the games with some interviews with Managers.  And they also show good highlightd of the Minor games.

Yeah, TG4 are on the money.

You've been banging this drum for a few months now "From the bunker" but Its not working. It is as if you are trying to offload you're own counties "choker" tag to us  ::)  ..a bit sad really.

Nobody is perfect, not even Kerry, it is just an observation that i think has merit. I said it on this board before Brolly's rant. I think Brolly was out of order to have a go at Gooch in explaining it. After all it's a team game so to single out one individaul is wrong.

I'd have alot of offloading to try an get Kerry down to out to our level.  ;)

I must say the business side of the Championship is great this year.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Mike Sheehy on August 02, 2012, 04:49:23 AM
Brolly's point made simple. Over the last 10 - 15 years it seems that if you can stick with Kerry for 60 minutes they will choke/crumble in the last 10 and will get beaten. Seems pretty straight forward to me.

Its a stupid argument because he is trying to make it seem as if its specific to Kerry. That argument can be made against any of the "top" team if you look at the totality of their results. Losing in the quarter final dumps you out of the AI championship just as surely as losing in the final does you know.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Mike Sheehy on August 02, 2012, 05:17:50 AM
I saw the clip of Brolly's rant. Basically he was allowed rant for 5 minutes and got increasingly more defensive and wouldn't let Spillane talk. I thought Pat was very restrained and was much more reasonable in the few points he was allowed to make.

All you have to do is look at the look on Brolly's horrible puss at the very end to know who came out the winner here. It was priceless  ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5w-68pdjSrk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5w-68pdjSrk)
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: seafoid on August 02, 2012, 07:41:07 AM
Brolly is very funny. He just plays with Spillane and can rise him at will. It's a bit like a version of Statler and Waldorf where Statler has the smarts and Waldorf doesn't. It must be great fun for Lyster to get paid for being a part of that. 
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Mike Sheehy on August 02, 2012, 07:54:13 AM
Yeah, he is funny. His impression of a drunk is dead on.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Hardy on August 02, 2012, 10:37:34 AM
Brolly's argument, in other words, is that when teams beat Kerry, they beat them narrowly and usually only get on top in the last ten minutes, but when Kerry win, they tend to win easily.

Seems to me that's not surprising for one of the best teams around and hardly qualifies as ground-breaking analysis.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: DuffleKing on August 02, 2012, 11:09:19 AM

How can u watch SG in the north with the Rte player blocked?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: armaghniac on August 02, 2012, 11:15:43 AM
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How can u watch SG in the north with the Rte player blocked?

The RTÉ player is not blocked in the North, only if your IP number does not indicate that it is in North will you have any problems.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: screenexile on August 02, 2012, 01:35:54 PM
Plus we get RTE2 through our skybox.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: the Deel Rover on August 02, 2012, 01:48:27 PM

How can u watch SG in the north with the Rte player blocked?

Count yourself Lucky. I'd say the veiwing figures for the sunday game have falling to the floor so they set up last weeks Show just to get poeple talking about it again .
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: rrhf on August 02, 2012, 11:00:40 PM
I think a good start would be to get bill o herlighy. Now there's a pro
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 03, 2012, 12:50:09 PM
I think a good start would be to get bill o herlighy. Now there's a pro

Any 'protestant' sports for Billo to cover ;D
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: theticklemister on August 03, 2012, 12:58:16 PM
Aye I have that proble, i can't get the sunday game on the player. Can ye switch yer IP address or anything?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Sandy Hill on August 03, 2012, 11:29:27 PM
I think a good start would be to get bill o herlighy. Now there's a pro

Couldn't agree more; Lyster couldn't lace Bill's boots!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Orchardman on August 04, 2012, 12:38:07 AM
Brolly's point made simple. Over the last 10 - 15 years it seems that if you can stick with Kerry for 60 minutes they will choke/crumble in the last 10 and will get beaten. Seems pretty straight forward to me.

Its a stupid argument because he is trying to make it seem as if its specific to Kerry. That argument can be made against any of the "top" team if you look at the totality of their results. Losing in the quarter final dumps you out of the AI championship just as surely as losing in the final does you know.

It's actually crazy the stick kerry have gotten the last few months. The brolly article was a load of dung, doesn't matter if he's being funny or winding up or whatever. Kerry were there every year to be beaten in a tight game, just like mayo deserve credit for getting there in 04 and 06. Tyrone certainly enjoyed taking a few gap years in 06 and 07 when they were brutal, and armagh didn't reach enough finals either. The amount of people who have bought into the arguement shows a lack of football knowledge. Kerry still have the best 'top 10' players of any side in the country, in saying that i think donegal have a good chance of beating them, and of course i'l be supporting donegal anyway.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: From the Bunker on August 04, 2012, 12:53:49 AM
Have to say 'The Sunday Game' is a mess. Sports coverage has moved on and this show seems to be stuck in the '90s. When you have limited time to show games, why would you try and make it into a magazine programme with players looking at past games and footage? Fresh modern analysists are needed, people who understand the modern game. Provincial analysist are needed for the provincial championship. What do Spillane and O'Rourke know about the Connacht Championship for example. They usually make that educated uninformed guess that Galway will win and are legitimately surprised when this does not happen. Games shown live during the day need little coverage in the evening show while uncovered games should get more than 3 minutes skimpy highlight coverage. Why is it on so late on a Sunday night? Why cannot there be a Saturday highlights show?

Brolly's point made simple. Over the last 10 - 15 years it seems that if you can stick with Kerry for 60 minutes they will choke/crumble in the last 10 and will get beaten. Seems pretty straight forward to me.

Its a stupid argument because he is trying to make it seem as if its specific to Kerry. That argument can be made against any of the "top" team if you look at the totality of their results. Losing in the quarter final dumps you out of the AI championship just as surely as losing in the final does you know.

It's actually crazy the stick kerry have gotten the last few months. The brolly article was a load of dung, doesn't matter if he's being funny or winding up or whatever. Kerry were there every year to be beaten in a tight game, just like mayo deserve credit for getting there in 04 and 06. Tyrone certainly enjoyed taking a few gap years in 06 and 07 when they were brutal, and armagh didn't reach enough finals either. The amount of people who have bought into the arguement shows a lack of football knowledge. Kerry still have the best 'top 10' players of any side in the country, in saying that i think donegal have a good chance of beating them, and of course i'l be supporting donegal anyway.

Yeah, look when you are at the top table and get beat, the standard is higher in expectation. So you lose a final or semi-final, your performance gets greater scrutany. I always smile at the lack of stick our neighbours (Galway) get from the media. Mainly because they are out and forgotten about in the championship come mid July, whereas we (Mayo) are in the limelight and losing some Final, semi-final etc, and getting it goodo!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Denn Forever on August 04, 2012, 08:19:47 PM
Seo Spoirt back on Friday 10/8.  Hopefully they will analyse the AI series.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Rossfan on August 04, 2012, 10:16:49 PM
Why did the excellent Seó Spóirt go away.
A real proper adult programme with real analysis .. maybe except for some of Seán Bán's biased Galway ráiméis  :D
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Orchardman on August 05, 2012, 02:35:49 PM
Why did the excellent Seó Spóirt go away.
A real proper adult programme with real analysis .. maybe except for some of Seán Bán's biased Galway ráiméis  :D

thought it very strange alright, i was looking for it the last few weeks. The game today between kerry and donegal would have had them real excited with cassidy, o 'se and all the great gaeltacht analysists they have
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: From the Bunker on August 05, 2012, 10:36:16 PM
No Spillane, No Brolly...............ah sure that's no good!  :'(
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ONeill on August 05, 2012, 10:49:19 PM
Dick sandwich though.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: trileacman on August 05, 2012, 10:51:30 PM
Dick sandwich though.

Who?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ONeill on August 06, 2012, 12:01:22 AM
Did they mention the minor scores atall?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: From the Bunker on August 06, 2012, 12:06:47 AM
Did they mention the minor scores atall?

Nah, nothing! Was expecting a small bitta highlights.  :(
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Minder on August 06, 2012, 12:09:20 AM
Did they mention the minor scores atall?

Nah, nothing! Was expecting a small bitta highlights.  :(

TG4 tomorrow night
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Asal Mor on August 14, 2012, 06:56:34 PM
Just watched last Sunday's show. The hurling analysts were excellent as usual. Duignan, Farrell and Mulcahy were all very positive and passionate - great stuff. I don't think all the football analysts are as bad as some people on here make them out to be either. Spillane is a bit of an eejit and Tony Davis is fairly painful to listen to but the others are good. Brolly is entertaining and insightful. McStay is a good analyst too. I can see how all that lingo he uses could irritate people but it never bothered me as I think, unlike Spillane, he's making a genuine effort to analyse things and not just trying to sound clever.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Seamus on August 14, 2012, 09:01:35 PM
Just watched last Sunday's show. The hurling analysts were excellent as usual. Duignan, Farrell and Mulcahy were all very positive and passionate - great stuff. I don't think all the football analysts are as bad as some people on here make them out to be either. Spillane is a bit of an eejit and Tony Davis is fairly painful to listen to but the others are good. Brolly is entertaining and insightful. McStay is a good analyst too. I can see how all that lingo he uses could irritate people but it never bothered me as I think, unlike Spillane, he's making a genuine effort to analyse things and not just trying to sound clever.

Like telling us that a lateral pass is a free in gaelic football.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: From the Bunker on August 14, 2012, 10:47:47 PM
Spillane was a great footballer, who played with a great team and won alot of medals. But as an analysist he is limited. He's a purist and most of his analysist is based on how good are bad the game is, nothing more. Spillane deals with issues such as was there good kick passing, high fielding, good carring of the ball etc. Personally, i don't need to be told that sort of stuff, i can see it for myself. As you say McStay tries to analyse formations, tactics, trends in a game. The bits you can't see on the TV. The bits you want to know. Some of his analysis can sound annoying because he introduces american/ foreign code lingo such as turn-overs, offence, professional foul, etc. But sure thats the modern world, it's not catch and kick football anymore, so these terms are often needed to explain the game.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Asal Mor on August 15, 2012, 03:21:28 AM
Spillane was a great footballer, who played with a great team and won alot of medals. But as an analysist he is limited. He's a purist and most of his analysist is based on how good are bad the game is, nothing more. Spillane deals with issues such as was there good kick passing, high fielding, good carring of the ball etc. Personally, i don't need to be told that sort of stuff, i can see it for myself. As you say McStay tries to analyse formations, tactics, trends in a game. The bits you can't see on the TV. The bits you want to know. Some of his analysis can sound annoying because he introduces american/ foreign code lingo such as turn-overs, offence, professional foul, etc. But sure thats the modern world, it's not catch and kick football anymore, so these terms are often needed to explain the game.

Agreed. It's necessary and it's often difficult to remember the official GAA terminology anyway.  Should we say manager, coach, trainer or bainisteoir for example?What's the GAA term for turnover? Giving the ball away? I can empathise with McStay. Maybe some of his critics on here could compile a list of acceptable and unacceptable language for GAA analysis.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Syferus on August 15, 2012, 03:31:48 AM
Did they mention the minor scores atall?

Nah, nothing! Was expecting a small bitta highlights.  :(

Bejayus me neighbour, you've not been on the ball the last few years if you think RTE would be caught dead showing minor highlights!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ross matt on August 15, 2012, 08:12:14 AM
Just watched last Sunday's show. The hurling analysts were excellent as usual. Duignan, Farrell and Mulcahy were all very positive and passionate - great stuff. I don't think all the football analysts are as bad as some people on here make them out to be either. Spillane is a bit of an eejit and Tony Davis is fairly painful to listen to but the others are good. Brolly is entertaining and insightful. McStay is a good analyst too. I can see how all that lingo he uses could irritate people but it never bothered me as I think, unlike Spillane, he's making a genuine effort to analyse things and not just trying to sound clever.
+1
Can never understand the stick McStay gets on here. Always makes an effort to do his job properly and not opt for the easy cheap shots like Spillane and Brolly. Has great respect for the players and comes across as a gentleman.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: J OGorman on August 15, 2012, 11:05:25 AM
Just watched last Sunday's show. The hurling analysts were excellent as usual. Duignan, Farrell and Mulcahy were all very positive and passionate - great stuff. I don't think all the football analysts are as bad as some people on here make them out to be either. Spillane is a bit of an eejit and Tony Davis is fairly painful to listen to but the others are good. Brolly is entertaining and insightful. McStay is a good analyst too. I can see how all that lingo he uses could irritate people but it never bothered me as I think, unlike Spillane, he's making a genuine effort to analyse things and not just trying to sound clever.
+1
Can never understand the stick McStay gets on here. Always makes an effort to do his job properly and not opt for the easy cheap shots like Spillane and Brolly. Has great respect for the players and comes across as a gentleman.

same here, like McStay too. There is a fierce amount of girners on here having pop shots behind made up names at almost every analyst, broadcaster working @ the minute.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Hardy on August 15, 2012, 02:46:52 PM
That's it, then. I'm going to have to reconsider seriously my tendency to state my opinion of PAID spoofers like McStay.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: sheamy on August 15, 2012, 02:47:55 PM
That's it, then. I'm going to have to reconsider seriously my tendency to state my opinion of PAID spoofers like McStay.

I bet Hardy isn't even your real name. The cheek of it!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Hardy on August 15, 2012, 02:48:48 PM
Exactly. I'm a disgrace. I'd put my real name up if I was getting paid for it, though.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: sheamy on August 15, 2012, 03:05:17 PM
Exactly. I'm a disgrace. I'd put my real name up if I was getting paid for it, though.

But the worst kind of hoor was the likes of that Myles na Gopaleen. He got paid by the Irish Times for spouting all sorts of satirical nonsense about people and Sunday Game panelists, and it turns out he wasn't even called Myles!!! Schweet Jasus.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Asal Mor on August 15, 2012, 03:05:51 PM
That's it, then. I'm going to have to reconsider seriously my tendency to state my opinion of PAID spoofers like McStay.

I just don't see what you're saying about McStay being a spoofer Hardy. Anytime I've heard him he anlalyses the game well. He's not trying to be funny or controversial. What would you say makes him a spoofer?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Syferus on August 15, 2012, 03:21:05 PM
That's it, then. I'm going to have to reconsider seriously my tendency to state my opinion of PAID spoofers like McStay.

Watch your mouth wee lad, you're talking about the manager of the double Connacht and Roscommon champions there. All set to crush the candy stripes up north this season too. The Big Mc's revenge will be sweet.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Hardy on August 15, 2012, 03:46:31 PM
That's it, then. I'm going to have to reconsider seriously my tendency to state my opinion of PAID spoofers like McStay.

I just don't see what you're saying about McStay being a spoofer Hardy. Anytime I've heard him he anlalyses the game well. He's not trying to be funny or controversial. What would you say makes him a spoofer?

He spouts all sort of nonsense. Examples - he was talking about "onside" last year in the context of balls rebounding off posts; innocuous tackles or clashes are "dangerous" and I particularly disliked his personal vilification of players - the ones I remember, of course, are Meath examples; he was giving out about the referee giving a last-minute free in Dublin-Kildare last year, not because it wasn't a free - he acknowledged it was - but because it was the last minute (he retracted this ludicrous opinion later). And he's just plain wrong about facts and game reading too often to be funny.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Asal Mor on August 15, 2012, 03:57:11 PM
Fair enough Hardy. I still think he's generally good but can't argue with those examples - some raimeis there alright.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Seany on August 15, 2012, 05:38:22 PM
I actually think McStay is the best of the lot of them.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Denn Forever on August 15, 2012, 06:26:35 PM
He is better in the studio rather than as co-commentator in the live games.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: 5 Sams on September 02, 2012, 10:16:04 PM
Marc Ó Sé did well not to lamp that tool Davis tonight. Ignorant hoor.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: mylestheslasher on September 02, 2012, 11:13:37 PM
Marc Ó Sé did well not to lamp that tool Davis tonight. Ignorant hoor.

Thought the same myself, poor lad sitting between McHugh the Muppet and the Davis the king of the muppets. What does Davis be going about anyway, he is not right in the head.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ONeill on September 02, 2012, 11:32:23 PM
Definitely a drinking game there. McHugh said 'it's interesting' 322 times today.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: BennyCake on September 02, 2012, 11:43:04 PM
Marc Ó Sé did well not to lamp that tool Davis tonight. Ignorant hoor.

Thought the same myself, poor lad sitting between McHugh the Muppet and the Davis the king of the muppets. What does Davis be going about anyway, he is not right in the head.

The man who brings your county's only success in the last 40 years, and he's a muppet?!  ::)
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: moysider on September 02, 2012, 11:49:46 PM
I actually think McStay is the best of the lot of them.

Hundred %.

Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: From the Bunker on September 02, 2012, 11:53:28 PM
I actually think McStay is the best of the lot of them.

Hundred %.

He is annoying with his buzz words, but he looks at a game and analyses it. He does not insult counties with cheap shots.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 03, 2012, 08:28:17 AM
Cant take to Mc Hugh at all. He seems to be very fond of the snide remarks too often for my liking, it was embarassing last night too how often him and Davis cut across Marc Ó Sé .
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: johnneycool on September 03, 2012, 09:10:59 AM
What was that skit about with the lad pretending to be someone else going through the crowds before the game about?

Was car crash stuff.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 03, 2012, 09:38:12 AM
Cant help but think mchugh wanted dublin in the final, to beat us out the gate, god hes awful bitter....................................... Brolly is wearing thin too at this stage, his lack of respect towards non ulster counties is shocking, always tries to laugh it off as a joke

Im really hoping mcstay is not commentating in the final, as Ill be routing for the mayo buckos, however that man could easily turn ya the other way
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: screenexile on September 03, 2012, 10:06:11 AM
I'm glad people are wise to McHugh now. We've known about his bitterness in Derry for a long long time. Now he's on the Sunday game people can appreciate how much of a tool he is!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on September 03, 2012, 12:45:32 PM
Marc Ó Sé did well not to lamp that tool Davis tonight. Ignorant hoor.

Thought the same myself, poor lad sitting between McHugh the Muppet and the Davis the king of the muppets. What does Davis be going about anyway, he is not right in the head.

It's total stream of consciousness stuff.
If you asked him what he had just said as soon as he was finished speaking, he wouldn't be able to tell you.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: joemamas on September 03, 2012, 03:44:43 PM
Cant help but think mchugh wanted Dublin in the final, to beat us out the gate, god hes awful bitter....................................... Brolly is wearing thin too at this stage, his lack of respect towards non ulster counties is shocking, always tries to laugh it off as a joke

I'm really hoping mcstay is not commentating in the final, as Ill be routing for the mayo buckos, however that man could easily turn ya the other way

Have to agree, I generally agree/accept Brolly's point of View, However yesterday game wasn't over five Min's, when he spewed the poisonous " Biggest winner here is Donegal" comment, really sickened my hole, could not give us Mayo folk the chance to enjoy the victory. Maybe he had a prepared analysis/theory on Donegal V Dublin final, and had no plan B.

Mchugh seems to have small man complex, needs the attention, resulting in silly comments.

Davis is an utter and complete clown, the most unprepared analyst I have ever seen. Did any of you see his patethic ramble last week, Whealan and Mchugh just stayed quite and let him dig himself a bigger hole to climb out of, comical to Say the least. Again, as they say, "he must have pictures on somebody", otherwise maybe he pays RTE to be on the show, hair and makeup included.

Mcstay is by far the best analyst, could smile now and again, as he does come across as a bit dour.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on September 03, 2012, 05:30:49 PM
Marc Ó Sé did well not to lamp that tool Davis tonight. Ignorant hoor.

+1 Ignorant hoor is right. Himself and McHugh gave me a headache as they tried to shout over everyone else with some incoherent waffle. Closest I've come to turning off TSG.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: RMDrive on September 04, 2012, 12:11:08 AM
Cant help but think mchugh wanted Dublin in the final, to beat us out the gate, god hes awful bitter....................................... Brolly is wearing thin too at this stage, his lack of respect towards non ulster counties is shocking, always tries to laugh it off as a joke

I'm really hoping mcstay is not commentating in the final, as Ill be routing for the mayo buckos, however that man could easily turn ya the other way

Have to agree, I generally agree/accept Brolly's point of View, However yesterday game wasn't over five Min's, when he spewed the poisonous " Biggest winner here is Donegal" comment, really sickened my hole, could not give us Mayo folk the chance to enjoy the victory. Maybe he had a prepared analysis/theory on Donegal V Dublin final, and had no plan B.

Mchugh seems to have small man complex, needs the attention, resulting in silly comments.

Davis is an utter and complete clown, the most unprepared analyst I have ever seen. Did any of you see his patethic ramble last week, Whealan and Mchugh just stayed quite and let him dig himself a bigger hole to climb out of, comical to Say the least. Again, as they say, "he must have pictures on somebody", otherwise maybe he pays RTE to be on the show, hair and makeup included.

Mcstay is by far the best analyst, could smile now and again, as he does come across as a bit dour.

You were doing just fine till you got to this point.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Asal Mor on September 04, 2012, 12:54:43 PM
Just downloaded and watched TSG. Was cringing watching Davis as well. He must be pound for pound the most annoying hoor on TV . Makes me want to fire the the ketchup bottle at the screen. Marc O Se must have been on the verge of slapping him.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Celt_Man on September 04, 2012, 01:34:33 PM
Aye definitely thought Davis and to a lesser extend McHugh were cutting across Marc O'Sé on Sunday night.

But surely it's Des Cahill's job to stop that from happening... i.e. make a point of going back to Marc with a comment along the lines of "Sorry Marc you had something to say before the two boys made their point, go ahead now..." 

Martin and Tony would have to get the point then?!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: yellowcard on September 04, 2012, 02:20:48 PM
Just flicking through this thread and nobody has anything positive to say about Davis. He rambles and sometimes makes no sense, shouting across the other guests soo that he is heard. Marc O Se spoke well but Davis chirped in a few times before he had time to finish what he was saying. Its amazing how he is still employed by RTE. At least Brolly and Spillane make the programme interesting and have a humourous side to them as well.

McStay is one annoying man doing co-commentary but is actually quite good in the studio. Very strange how RTE put him on co-commentary for Sundays game with him being a Mayo man.

McHugh whilst nowhere near as annoying as Davis sometimes rambles as well even though he does actually make some good points. Loves to start sentences with ‘Its interesting …..’

Who will Martin Carney be supporting in the final?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Crete Boom on September 04, 2012, 02:43:30 PM
Just flicking through this thread and nobody has anything positive to say about Davis. He rambles and sometimes makes no sense, shouting across the other guests soo that he is heard. Marc O Se spoke well but Davis chirped in a few times before he had time to finish what he was saying. Its amazing how he is still employed by RTE. At least Brolly and Spillane make the programme interesting and have a humourous side to them as well.

McStay is one annoying man doing co-commentary but is actually quite good in the studio. Very strange how RTE put him on co-commentary for Sundays game with him being a Mayo man.

McHugh whilst nowhere near as annoying as Davis sometimes rambles as well even though he does actually make some good points. Loves to start sentences with ‘Its interesting …..’

Who will Martin Carney be supporting in the final?


 It'll be a tough one for him and while he had some great days with Mayo especially in 1985, I'd say he have to go for the county of his birth and he did play and win an (I think) an Ulster title with Donegal in 1974
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Minder on September 04, 2012, 04:29:40 PM
Just flicking through this thread and nobody has anything positive to say about Davis. He rambles and sometimes makes no sense, shouting across the other guests soo that he is heard. Marc O Se spoke well but Davis chirped in a few times before he had time to finish what he was saying. Its amazing how he is still employed by RTE. At least Brolly and Spillane make the programme interesting and have a humourous side to them as well.

McStay is one annoying man doing co-commentary but is actually quite good in the studio. Very strange how RTE put him on co-commentary for Sundays game with him being a Mayo man.

McHugh whilst nowhere near as annoying as Davis sometimes rambles as well even though he does actually make some good points. Loves to start sentences with ‘Its interesting …..’

Who will Martin Carney be supporting in the final?


 It'll be a tough one for him and while he had some great days with Mayo especially in 1985, I'd say he have to go for the county of his birth and he did play and win an (I think) an Ulster title with Donegal in 1974

Very much so.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: joemamas on September 04, 2012, 06:06:00 PM
Just flicking through this thread and nobody has anything positive to say about Davis. He rambles and sometimes makes no sense, shouting across the other guests soo that he is heard. Marc O Se spoke well but Davis chirped in a few times before he had time to finish what he was saying. Its amazing how he is still employed by RTE. At least Brolly and Spillane make the programme interesting and have a humourous side to them as well.

McStay is one annoying man doing co-commentary but is actually quite good in the studio. Very strange how RTE put him on co-commentary for Sundays game with him being a Mayo man.

McHugh whilst nowhere near as annoying as Davis sometimes rambles as well even though he does actually make some good points. Loves to start sentences with ‘Its interesting …..’

Who will Martin Carney be supporting in the final?


 It'll be a tough one for him and while he had some great days with Mayo especially in 1985, I'd say he have to go for the county of his birth and he did play and win an (I think) an Ulster title with Donegal in 1974

Very much so.

I really couldn't say for certain
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: criostlinn on September 04, 2012, 10:05:14 PM
Just flicking through this thread and nobody has anything positive to say about Davis. He rambles and sometimes makes no sense, shouting across the other guests soo that he is heard. Marc O Se spoke well but Davis chirped in a few times before he had time to finish what he was saying. Its amazing how he is still employed by RTE. At least Brolly and Spillane make the programme interesting and have a humourous side to them as well.

McStay is one annoying man doing co-commentary but is actually quite good in the studio. Very strange how RTE put him on co-commentary for Sundays game with him being a Mayo man.



McHugh whilst nowhere near as annoying as Davis sometimes rambles as well even though he does actually make some good points. Loves to start sentences with ‘Its interesting …..’

Who will Martin Carney be supporting in the final?


 It'll be a tough one for him and while he had some great days with Mayo especially in 1985, I'd say he have to go for the county of his birth and he did play and win an (I think) an Ulster title with Donegal in 1974

Very much so.

I really couldn't say for certain

Will defo be shouting for Donegal. Said as much on the radio last week. Something like his daughter goes to matches with him and she says that he is angry for an hour after Mayo lose where as it lasts a day when Donegal lose
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: James Gatz on September 04, 2012, 10:06:26 PM
Martin Carney and Darragh Maloney should be on commentary for the final, both very good. TSG should be getting on more people like Ciaran Whelan who actually know a bit about the modern game and don't waffle on about nonsense. Spillane is a very poor analyst who thinks he can get away with a few sweeping statements backed up by a couple of random facts (he loves to quote which forwards have scored). In my opinion, the best analysts tell you what you don't already know and give you a different insight into the game that makes you interested. Most Sunday Game analysts, especially Spillane, McStay and Davis don't. There should be a radical revamp of the Sunday Game in my view as a lot of the analysts and the time give to the coverage of each game throughout the earlier rounds of the Championship is of a very poor standard.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: 5 Sams on September 04, 2012, 10:13:48 PM
Martin Carney and Darragh Maloney should be on commentary for the final, both very good. TSG should be getting on more people like Ciaran Whelan who actually know a bit about the modern game and don't waffle on about nonsense. Spillane is a very poor analyst who thinks he can get away with a few sweeping statements backed up by a couple of random facts (he loves to quote which forwards have scored). In my opinion, the best analysts tell you what you don't already know and give you a different insight into the game that makes you interested. Most Sunday Game analysts, especially Spillane, McStay and Davis don't. There should be a radical revamp of the Sunday Game in my view as a lot of the analysts and the time give to the coverage of each game throughout the earlier rounds of the Championship is of a very poor standard.

Just replace the whole lot with Seo Spoirt...job done..SBB, Tomás ó Flatharta, Dara agus araile. Best GAA prog on the telly...youse brits can put with the subtitles ;) ;)
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 04, 2012, 11:46:59 PM
Whatever happened to Tohill on TSG
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Asal Mor on September 10, 2012, 04:26:30 PM
Anyone catch "Up for the match" on Saturday night? I think I'll download it for the laugh. I'm hoping it's still as bad as ever.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: yellowcard on September 13, 2012, 08:42:36 PM
Just switched on championship matters. Who is the bird in the pink top on it?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: armaghniac on September 13, 2012, 09:20:06 PM
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Who is the bird in the pink top on it?

Camogie great, I wouldn't knock her.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Hoof Hearted on September 13, 2012, 10:35:39 PM
Just switched on championship matters. Who is the bird in the pink top on it?
#

Aisling Connolly. Was it not her da thatgave the famous speech afet an AI win ?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Mac2 on September 17, 2012, 09:25:24 PM
How could RTE label that 5 minute aside last night at the end of the show as a preview of the AIF? Donegal apparently get players back and Mayo have a decent midfield, that was about it and some chuckling about sheep, farcical.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: RMDrive on September 17, 2012, 09:33:35 PM
How could RTE label that 5 minute aside last night at the end of the show as a preview of the AIF? Donegal apparently get players back and Mayo have a decent midfield, that was about it and some chuckling about sheep, farcical.

I particularly liked the continuity between what the analyst was saying and the video clips being shown  ::). You'd swear that they threw it together in the 10 minutes before the show.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Orchardman on September 17, 2012, 11:24:53 PM
I know the lads that quit the game years ago get plenty of slagging for being out of touch, but i've always thought that yer man dessie dolan was a bit of a spoofer considering he's a current player, like a future tony davis almost. Just sits up with a smily head on him saying nothing of note
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: From the Bunker on September 17, 2012, 11:29:47 PM
I know the lads that quit the game years ago get plenty of slagging for being out of touch, but i've always thought that yer man dessie dolan was a bit of a spoofer considering he's a current player, like a future tony davis almost. Just sits up with a smily head on him saying nothing of note

In fairness to Dessie, he has played for Donegal in the New York Championship. So he knew something about one of the two teams in the final.  :-X
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Orchardman on September 17, 2012, 11:58:44 PM
aye, seen he was out in boston playing with cass and the lads.

Say it again, mcstay is hard to beat, i think people are starting to realise that now. Hope martin carney is doing the game as well
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Syferus on September 18, 2012, 03:21:59 AM
aye, seen he was out in boston playing with cass and the lads.

Say it again, mcstay is hard to beat, i think people are starting to realise that now. Hope martin carney is doing the game as well

Ye won't have much of that gib when he single-handedly unseats the Power Rangers in deep mid-winter.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: mackers on September 18, 2012, 11:10:25 AM
I switched it off when Davis said that "Mayo would have to play well to beat Donegal"...................Christ on a bike, brutal stuff.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Feckitt on September 18, 2012, 11:55:28 AM
I think it is a shame that the GAA have given the rights to TV3 for the minor final.  TV3 cannot be picked up on Sattelite TV in the North, and most people in the north cannot get it on analogue either.  When analogue is done away with next month then absolutely nobody in the North will get TV3.  Will they still be given matches?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Syferus on September 18, 2012, 12:05:06 PM
Of course they will. Use their website if you want to catch the minor match.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: armaghniac on September 18, 2012, 12:56:57 PM
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When analogue is done away with next month then absolutely nobody in the North will get TV3.

Not quite true. Those who are getting analogue at present are getting it from masts in the 26 counties and will still get TV3 on digital, indeed more will get it.

But there still remains a broader issue here.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: joemamas on September 18, 2012, 01:40:11 PM
I switched it off when Davis said that "Mayo would have to play well to beat Donegal"...................Christ on a bike, brutal stuff.

I posted this a week or so ago.


Davis is an utter and complete clown, the most unprepared analyst I have ever seen. Did any of you see his patethic ramble last week, Whealan and Mchugh just stayed quite and let him dig himself a bigger hole to climb out of, comical to Say the least. Again, as they say, "he must have pictures on somebody", otherwise maybe he pays RTE to be on the show, hair and makeup included.

Mcstay is by far the best analyst, could smile now and again, as he does come across as a bit dour.



Did not see latest nonsense on Sunday game. Will not bother to view it. I cannot understand the sports powers to be at RTE, do they have any clue as to what the public think of the show.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ExiledGael on September 18, 2012, 03:45:54 PM
I don't like complaining about GAA coverage because but the preview was an embarrassment. Could have been put together by someone who has never even watched a game - "keeper's kick outs are good, defenders are tight, midfield is going well and forwards are getting scores, Mayo will have to play well to win". What on earth is the point?
It wouldn't be so bad except these are two of the most fascinating teams in the country in terms of preparation and tactics, especially given where they were in the recent past. Would it really be that hard to grab a little before and after footage, show what both managers have implemented since their arrival, how their gameplan works and what that could lead to on Sunday?
You'd get more insight from an alco down the local, inane rambling, especially Davis.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ONeill on September 19, 2012, 09:15:29 AM
You'd get more insight from an alco down the local, especially Davis.

Jaysus I didn't know Davis was a wino. Fair play to him.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ExiledGael on September 19, 2012, 07:31:34 PM
That would, at least, explain things
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: mylestheslasher on September 20, 2012, 07:51:17 PM
Whatever happened to Tohill on TSG

He was sacked for not meeting his quota of idiotic cliches, refusing to be controversial for the sake of it, knowing what he was talking about and for having an IQ.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Bud Wiser on September 20, 2012, 08:02:12 PM
Did anyone notice the commentary with a minute to go in the chicks with sticks all ireland final.  Red faces all round but managed to cloud it out in the replay.  " another great score from Cork, that's two scores now  (or something like that) and when the teams go in at half time it will be the Cork team that have the bit between their teeth" except he got teeth confused with legs.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Minder on May 20, 2013, 04:13:43 PM
Is there no chairs that swivel in Sligo? O'Hara was having great craic with it last night. He seemed a bit nervous but did ok.

The "coverage" of the Leinster hurling games and the Weatmeath v Carlow game was pitiful, but to be expected.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on May 20, 2013, 06:00:02 PM
Brolly could shut up every now and again.
You can hear him yapping away to himself like a child when the other panellists are talking.
Very patronising towards Whelo as well.
"That's actually a really good point Ciaran!"
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ck on May 20, 2013, 07:18:10 PM
Brolly could shut up every now and again.
You can hear him yapping away to himself like a child when the other panellists are talking.
Very patronising towards Whelo as well.
"That's actually a really good point Ciaran!"

Agree. His agreeing with Whelan was almost stating that the point had met Joes approval which should be seen as a tremendous achievement.
Personally I was disappointed for O'Hara. I find his voice hard to hear, but more importantly his points were pretty bland. I've heard him before and he's usually more opinionated.  Joe disagreed with him at one stage and he backed down straight away. Less of that Eamon son, fight back like yo did on the pitch for 20 years
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Syferus on May 20, 2013, 07:20:52 PM
Sure he's only a rookie. Is there any video of Broly in his first TSG season knocking about? It'd make interesting viewing.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ranch on May 20, 2013, 07:36:23 PM
Brolly is the best pundit on TSG by far, at least he gives opinions.
Whelan also makes some good points. Canavan was good whilst on TV3.

Spillane has gone to f*ck over the years, just spouts cr*p.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: muppet on May 20, 2013, 08:43:39 PM
Brolly is the best pundit on TSG by far, at least he gives opinions.
Whelan also makes some good points. Canavan was good whilst on TV3.

Spillane has to f*ck over the years, just spouts cr*p.

It would be nice if TSG was actually about the Games and not the panelists.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Minder on May 20, 2013, 09:05:04 PM
Brolly is the best pundit on TSG by far, at least he gives opinions.
Whelan also makes some good points. Canavan was good whilst on TV3.

Spillane has to f*ck over the years, just spouts cr*p.

It would be nice if TSG was actually about the Games and not the panelists.

+1. That's why the coverage suffers so badly.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on May 20, 2013, 09:28:22 PM
Sure he's only a rookie. Is there any video of Broly in his first TSG season knocking about? It'd make interesting viewing.

He was blowing kisses at Joe Lennon on his debut.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: yellowcard on May 26, 2013, 10:05:46 PM
O'Hara doesn't pull too many punches. Calling for Kevin Walsh's head AND having a row with Spillane already, he's made his mark tonight.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: blewuporstuffed on May 26, 2013, 10:06:47 PM
strong stuff from ohara there. fairly put the boot in walsh
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: tyroneboi on May 26, 2013, 10:07:30 PM
Excellent stuff from O'Hara so far.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Wildweasel74 on May 26, 2013, 10:16:45 PM
Ciaran Whelan face there was priceless as pat chirped on about cheap blankets , class!1
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: From the Bunker on May 26, 2013, 10:18:55 PM
Jez, Spillane just would not let O'Hara or Whealan talk about the GPS that Tyrone were using. Poor form! It was one of those if you can't argue just shout him down! And as for the Blanket rant about Limerick..... jez!  :-[
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ballinaman on May 26, 2013, 10:22:45 PM
Blankets
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Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: bigpaul on May 26, 2013, 10:40:10 PM
Have to say, I'm coming round to Paul Grimley's point of view; two weeks, two public stonings.No analysis of the London-Sligo match,just an assassination of a current manager by a former player!Our game deserves much better.I look forward to the day when another channel is in a position to compete with RTE!!!!!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Rossfan on May 26, 2013, 10:44:43 PM
Awful trite light tabloidesque "analysis".
Be better if they just had highlights of the games and leave it at that.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Dont Matter on May 26, 2013, 10:44:57 PM
Have to say, I'm coming round to Paul Grimley's point of view; two weeks, two public stonings.No analysis of the London-Sligo match,just an assassination of a current manager by a former player!Our game deserves much better.I look forward to the day when another channel is in a position to compete with RTE!!!!!

It's time for everyone to brush up on their Gaeilge and hand it over to TG4.
Spillane didn't have a clue about gps but less of a clue how a proper blanket defence works. If he thinks Cork will run through Donegals defence or Kerry will play 2 long balls and they'll be in on goal then he is living in cloud cookoo land.
Then all we had was rushed through reports on the Leinster games and London/Sligo. More action, less Spillane is what's needed.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Syferus on May 26, 2013, 10:52:11 PM
Have to say, I'm coming round to Paul Grimley's point of view; two weeks, two public stonings.No analysis of the London-Sligo match,just an assassination of a current manager by a former player!Our game deserves much better.I look forward to the day when another channel is in a position to compete with RTE!!!!!

I think you've not been listening to the grapevine if you think that was an unfair assassination. O'Hara was pretty much dead on and will have the support of the vast majority of his county in what he said.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: bigpaul on May 26, 2013, 10:56:39 PM
Awful trite light tabloidesque "analysis".
Be better if they just had highlights of the games and leave it at that.
+1.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: imtommygunn on May 26, 2013, 10:57:06 PM
If you haven't watched the game during the day the sunday game is a disaster as it misses half the scores. Spillane has not a clue what he's on about either. Leaving out good game time to listen to that. That blanket thing was embarrassing.

I wasn't that keen on the ohara thing. Those boys are meant to be objective analysts. Surely a boy like that should have enough influence that he could air that in house rather than airing that dirty linen in public.

Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: bigpaul on May 26, 2013, 10:57:40 PM
Have to say, I'm coming round to Paul Grimley's point of view; two weeks, two public stonings.No analysis of the London-Sligo match,just an assassination of a current manager by a former player!Our game deserves much better.I look forward to the day when another channel is in a position to compete with RTE!!!!!

I think you've not been listening to the grapevine if you think that was an unfair assassination. O'Hara was pretty much dead on and will have the support of the vast majority of his county in what he said.
I never said it was an unfair assassination,read my posts more closely,just an assassination! No analysis,no other point of view,no attempt at balance and no attempt to analyse London's first win in the Connacht Championship in thirty five years! An absolute disgrace in my opinion!!!!!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: macdanger2 on May 26, 2013, 11:00:34 PM
Have to say, I'm coming round to Paul Grimley's point of view; two weeks, two public stonings.No analysis of the London-Sligo match,just an assassination of a current manager by a former player!Our game deserves much better.I look forward to the day when another channel is in a position to compete with RTE!!!!!

It's time for everyone to brush up on their Gaeilge and hand it over to TG4.
Spillane didn't have a clue about gps but less of a clue how a proper blanket defence works. If he thinks Cork will run through Donegals defence or Kerry will play 2 long balls and they'll be in on goal then he is living in cloud cookoo land.
Then all we had was rushed through reports on the Leinster games and London/Sligo. More action, less Spillane is what's needed.

Exactly, the cork no 7 and gooch would both have been fouled way out the field and the taking of the free delayed by any one of the top teams.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Syferus on May 26, 2013, 11:02:50 PM
TG4 aren't much better. SBB is the Connemara version of Pat Spillane.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: From the Bunker on May 26, 2013, 11:03:35 PM
Awful trite light tabloidesque "analysis".
Be better if they just had highlights of the games and leave it at that.
+1.

+2

Have to say, I'm coming round to Paul Grimley's point of view; two weeks, two public stonings.No analysis of the London-Sligo match,just an assassination of a current manager by a former player!Our game deserves much better.I look forward to the day when another channel is in a position to compete with RTE!!!!!

It's time for everyone to brush up on their Gaeilge and hand it over to TG4.
Spillane didn't have a clue about gps but less of a clue how a proper blanket defence works. If he thinks Cork will run through Donegals defence or Kerry will play 2 long balls and they'll be in on goal then he is living in cloud cookoo land.
Then all we had was rushed through reports on the Leinster games and London/Sligo. More action, less Spillane is what's needed.

Exactly, the cork no 7 and gooch would both have been fouled way out the field and the taking of the free delayed by any one of the top teams.

It's Spillanes One trick pony The long ball into the Full Forwards.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Syferus on May 26, 2013, 11:14:49 PM
Awful trite light tabloidesque "analysis".
Be better if they just had highlights of the games and leave it at that.
+1.

+2

Have to say, I'm coming round to Paul Grimley's point of view; two weeks, two public stonings.No analysis of the London-Sligo match,just an assassination of a current manager by a former player!Our game deserves much better.I look forward to the day when another channel is in a position to compete with RTE!!!!!

It's time for everyone to brush up on their Gaeilge and hand it over to TG4.
Spillane didn't have a clue about gps but less of a clue how a proper blanket defence works. If he thinks Cork will run through Donegals defence or Kerry will play 2 long balls and they'll be in on goal then he is living in cloud cookoo land.
Then all we had was rushed through reports on the Leinster games and London/Sligo. More action, less Spillane is what's needed.

Exactly, the cork no 7 and gooch would both have been fouled way out the field and the taking of the free delayed by any one of the top teams.

It's Spillanes One trick pony The long ball into the Full Forwards.

A one trick pony on an analysis show is like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on May 26, 2013, 11:17:19 PM
This oul moderrin game is fierce complicated.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 26, 2013, 11:17:49 PM
Awful trite light tabloidesque "analysis".
Be better if they just had highlights of the games and leave it at that.
+ 3

Spillane with highlights on how to beat the blanket defence when Tipperary,Limerick didn't use or know how to use one.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: bigpaul on May 26, 2013, 11:19:05 PM
Have to say, I'm coming round to Paul Grimley's point of view; two weeks, two public stonings.No analysis of the London-Sligo match,just an assassination of a current manager by a former player!Our game deserves much better.I look forward to the day when another channel is in a position to compete with RTE!!!!!

It's time for everyone to brush up on their Gaeilge and hand it over to TG4.
Spillane didn't have a clue about gps but less of a clue how a proper blanket defence works. If he thinks Cork will run through Donegals defence or Kerry will play 2 long balls and they'll be in on goal then he is living in cloud cookoo land.
Then all we had was rushed through reports on the Leinster games and London/Sligo. More action, less Spillane is what's needed.
I think it's too late for me to brush up, I would happily watch with my cupla focal,wish I didn't understand bearla at times!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: babarino on May 26, 2013, 11:35:55 PM
Poor performance tonight by the panel. Brolly, O'Rourke and Kevin Mc Stay are RTE's best pundits. You have to put county allegiances aside when analysing games and O'Hara shouldn't have used his inside knowledge of Sligo to have a go at Kevin Walsh.

Putting on the county blinkers and match analysis don't go together. Pundits all do it at some stage...even the good ones, which is why they shouldn't be given a soap box to comment on games involving their county.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: bigpaul on May 26, 2013, 11:38:57 PM
Poor performance tonight by the panel. Brolly, O'Rourke and Kevin Mc Stay are RTE's best pundits. You have to put county allegiances aside when analysing games and O'Hara shouldn't have used his inside knowledge of Sligo to have a go at Kevin Walsh.

Putting on the county blinkers and match analysis don't go together. Pundits all do it at some stage...even the good ones, which is why they shouldn't be given a soap box to comment on games involving their county.
Giants among dwarves!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: midLouth on May 26, 2013, 11:50:02 PM
Nothing like letting an ex player have a personal rate on the TV, what a GS.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Main Street on May 26, 2013, 11:58:11 PM
Jez, Spillane just would not let O'Hara or Whealan talk about the GPS that Tyrone were using. Poor form! It was one of those if you can't argue just shout him down! And as for the Blanket rant about Limerick..... jez!  :-[
I didn't see the program, wtf is this GPS thing you mention?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Syferus on May 27, 2013, 12:00:22 AM
Jez, Spillane just would not let O'Hara or Whealan talk about the GPS that Tyrone were using. Poor form! It was one of those if you can't argue just shout him down! And as for the Blanket rant about Limerick..... jez!  :-[
I didn't see the program, wtf is this GPS thing you mention?

Conor Gromley has one on his ankle so he doesn't break bail  :-X
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: babarino on May 27, 2013, 12:00:54 AM
Nothing like letting an ex player have a personal rate on the TV, what a GS.

If you've something to say, say it. O'Hara was really cringey tonight, unlike others who can put a bit of gloss on their perspective.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: bigpaul on May 27, 2013, 12:03:34 AM
Jez, Spillane just would not let O'Hara or Whealan talk about the GPS that Tyrone were using. Poor form! It was one of those if you can't argue just shout him down! And as for the Blanket rant about Limerick..... jez!  :-[
I didn't see the program, wtf is this GPS thing you mention?
Spillane came across a bit like yourself, he did see the programmme though!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ck on May 27, 2013, 12:18:34 AM
Fair play to O'Hara for exposing the BS that's going on in Sligo. It can be seen as sour grapes but he knew the info so he stated it. Fair play to him.

As for Spillane givi g out about lads wearing GPS systems. Pat is so far out of touch its unreal. He's still stuck in the 70's when the good ole days produced fancy free football and world peace prevailed
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Aaron Boone on May 27, 2013, 12:29:19 AM
Before he was interrupted, Spillane probably had a punchline that GPS meant 'Go Pat Spillane'.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Syferus on May 27, 2013, 12:31:45 AM
Fair play to O'Hara for exposing the BS that's going on in Sligo. It can be seen as sour grapes but he knew the info so he stated it. Fair play to him.

As for Spillane givi g out about lads wearing GPS systems. Pat is so far out of touch its unreal. He's still stuck in the 70's when the good ole days produced fancy free football and world peace prevailed

So you're saying he should stop Moyna-ing and get with the times?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Main Street on May 27, 2013, 12:34:43 AM
Jez, Spillane just would not let O'Hara or Whealan talk about the GPS that Tyrone were using. Poor form! It was one of those if you can't argue just shout him down! And as for the Blanket rant about Limerick..... jez!  :-[
I didn't see the program, wtf is this GPS thing you mention?

Conor Gromley has one on his ankle so he doesn't break bail  :-X
;D
So it's not that Mickey needs the technology to find out where his players are on the pitch?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: omagh_gael on May 27, 2013, 11:17:14 AM
If memory serves me right the highlights failed to show SoN's and Matty Donnelly's peaches of scores from the left wing in the first half. Instead we got Spillane talking over the other two boys for 30secs not even allowing them to rebuke his verbal diarrhea.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: thejuice on May 27, 2013, 11:20:44 AM
Is the GPS the reason why one of the Tyrone lads was wearing a sports bra or do they all wear them anyway.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Hardy on May 27, 2013, 12:17:07 PM
It's not manly.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: muppet on May 27, 2013, 12:34:00 PM
I didn't watch the Sunday Witch Hunt this weekend.

But I am disappointed to see reports that a footballer I have long admired, called for the resignation of another footballer I used to admire when he played, from the armchair of the weekly Sunday Rant. He may have been correct in everything he said, but National TV is not the place to knife a man.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: theticklemister on May 27, 2013, 02:00:46 PM
Whats this about the blanket?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: orangeman on May 27, 2013, 02:12:40 PM
Whats this about the blanket?

There is apparently more than one blanket.

It's a continental quilt.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: tommysmith on May 27, 2013, 02:13:22 PM
I didn't watch the Sunday Witch Hunt this weekend.

But I am disappointed to see reports that a footballer I have long admired, called for the resignation of another footballer I used to admire when he played, from the armchair of the weekly Sunday Rant. He may have been correct in everything he said, but National TV is not the place to knife a man.

True but he only responded to a question he was asked.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: screenexile on May 27, 2013, 02:24:53 PM
I didn't watch the Sunday Witch Hunt this weekend.

But I am disappointed to see reports that a footballer I have long admired, called for the resignation of another footballer I used to admire when he played, from the armchair of the weekly Sunday Rant. He may have been correct in everything he said, but National TV is not the place to knife a man.

True but he only responded to a question he was asked.

It should not have been asked and O'Hara should of had the cop on to side step the question. Regardless of his thoughts on Walsh, it shows a complete disrespect to Sligo football. He couldn't commit, he is too old, get over it.

Have to agree with that. No need for that on the Sunday Game. Yes he can put his side across but dragging Walsh's name through it like that isn't on!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: magpie seanie on May 27, 2013, 02:42:14 PM
Ye are so wrong on this guys, trust me.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: screenexile on May 27, 2013, 02:43:43 PM
Ye are so wrong on this guys, trust me.

I don't doubt that Walsh has royally fcuked up and that Eamon O'Hara wasn't 100% right in what he was saying. I just don't think the Sunday Game was the place to air those grievances.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Minder on May 27, 2013, 02:58:40 PM
If O'Hara had went to town like that on Micky Harte or another high profile manager he would be out of a job today.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: imtommygunn on May 27, 2013, 02:59:02 PM
I would agree.

There are bound to be other forums to air this in.

I know reading some of the crap in the Irish News about boys who are off the panel coming out and complaining about the antrim manager is embarassing.

Though the other journalists, like Des Cahill, are putting boys in this position.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Syferus on May 27, 2013, 03:01:28 PM
There is as a total a disconnect as I have ever seen between the reception by people this actually effects and those looking in on a Sunday night.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: bennydorano on May 27, 2013, 03:03:27 PM
Thought O'Hara's response was measured & obviously truthful, didn't think it was vindictive.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: yellowcard on May 27, 2013, 03:03:40 PM
If O'Hara had went to town like that on Micky Harte or another high profile manager he would be out of a job today.

I doubt that. Mickey Harte doesn't even talk to RTE.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: muppet on May 27, 2013, 03:05:11 PM
Seanie, I respect your opinions on this site and if you and the other genuine Sligo contributors say something is seriously wrong then I will believe it.

I also have tremendous respect what O'Hara has done for his county. His gravitas within the game is undisputed and that is why he quickly went from retirement to being a pundit on TSG.

O'Hara may have made the right call, but it is not the place to do it. Even the Cork strikers and the Mayo car pushers didn't have such a public platform to campaign from, and yet I am fairly sure (certain in the case of Mayo) that they regretted the very public and thus personal nature of their statements.

In a couple of years, if not months, when the heat has gone out of the moment I suspect he will have regrets.



Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: yellowcard on May 27, 2013, 03:07:22 PM
Is this simply a case of the Sligo public backing one of their own against an 'outsider'. It can't help Walsh that he is an outsider and O'Hara is a Sligo hero when it comes to gaining support from the Sligo public. From the outside, maybe Walsh has stayed on a year too long but he didn't deserve the public execution.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Syferus on May 27, 2013, 03:10:09 PM
Is this simply a case of the Sligo public backing one of their own against an 'outsider'. It can't help Walsh that he is an outsider and O'Hara is a Sligo hero when it comes to gaining support from the Sligo public. From the outside, maybe Walsh has stayed on a year too long but he didn't deserve the public execution.

I think you've missed the point entirely, Yellowcard.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: yellowcard on May 27, 2013, 03:10:45 PM
Is this simply a case of the Sligo public backing one of their own against an 'outsider'. It can't help Walsh that he is an outsider and O'Hara is a Sligo hero when it comes to gaining support from the Sligo public. From the outside, maybe Walsh has stayed on a year too long but he didn't deserve the public execution.

I think you've missed the point entirely, Yellowcard.

Which is.....
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: magpie seanie on May 27, 2013, 04:00:39 PM
Is this simply a case of the Sligo public backing one of their own against an 'outsider'. It can't help Walsh that he is an outsider and O'Hara is a Sligo hero when it comes to gaining support from the Sligo public. From the outside, maybe Walsh has stayed on a year too long but he didn't deserve the public execution.

I think you've missed the point entirely, Yellowcard.

Which is.....


Walsh is only a symptom of the problem. He should have been gone long ago. This is a Sligo problem that actually very few Sligo people even realise. I'm not one bit shocked we lost this game. The stories I could tell - people would just not believe.

The days of "behind closed doors" and "smokey rooms" need to be gone. We can't afford to get anything wrong in Sligo with the natural disadvantages we have yet we get very little right. Put everything out on the table and BE HONEST. No-one should have any problem with that. Footballers who are not honest get found out soon enough. Administrators who are not honest seem to thrive.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: magpie seanie on May 27, 2013, 04:03:34 PM
Seanie, I respect your opinions on this site and if you and the other genuine Sligo contributors say something is seriously wrong then I will believe it.

I also have tremendous respect what O'Hara has done for his county. His gravitas within the game is undisputed and that is why he quickly went from retirement to being a pundit on TSG.

O'Hara may have made the right call, but it is not the place to do it. Even the Cork strikers and the Mayo car pushers didn't have such a public platform to campaign from, and yet I am fairly sure (certain in the case of Mayo) that they regretted the very public and thus personal nature of their statements.

In a couple of years, if not months, when the heat has gone out of the moment I suspect he will have regrets.


We need the spotlight to make sure the right things are done. Stuff happens openly in Sligo that would be massive scandal in other counties because those behind it get away with it. A bit of time under the microscope is no harm. If people have nothnig to hide - then what's the problem?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: rosnarun on May 27, 2013, 04:24:27 PM
Stuff happens openly in Sligo that would be massive scandal
what is going on
loads of hint in tha various threads but no details . and if its in the ope surely its no problem to tell it.
can't be worse than mayo appoiting a manager for political purposes
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Bingo on May 27, 2013, 04:26:31 PM
Is this simply a case of the Sligo public backing one of their own against an 'outsider'. It can't help Walsh that he is an outsider and O'Hara is a Sligo hero when it comes to gaining support from the Sligo public. From the outside, maybe Walsh has stayed on a year too long but he didn't deserve the public execution.

I think you've missed the point entirely, Yellowcard.

Which is.....


Walsh is only a symptom of the problem. He should have been gone long ago. This is a Sligo problem that actually very few Sligo people even realise. I'm not one bit shocked we lost this game. The stories I could tell - people would just not believe.

The days of "behind closed doors" and "smokey rooms" need to be gone. We can't afford to get anything wrong in Sligo with the natural disadvantages we have yet we get very little right. Put everything out on the table and BE HONEST. No-one should have any problem with that. Footballers who are not honest get found out soon enough. Administrators who are not honest seem to thrive.

Ive heard this said very often and directed at County boards. The only reason it prevails is that there is plenty of willing bodies to take the place of the footballer but few to step into the shoes of the Administrators, no matter how bad or no matter what has gone on in the past year. I've seen it in Monaghan over the last 2/3 years, where enough muck has been thrown at the CB, some of it had to stick. Yet, when congress comes around, they haven't been challenged at any level, no one wants the job.

People often say that those who sit at County Board level, have often been chased from their own clubs.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: magpie seanie on May 27, 2013, 05:00:47 PM
Stuff happens openly in Sligo that would be massive scandal
what is going on
loads of hint in tha various threads but no details . and if its in the ope surely its no problem to tell it.
can't be worse than mayo appoiting a manager for political purposes


If I went into detail about it I would be saying things directly about individuals that I couldn't prove in a court of law. Everyone would know it was true, or knows it's true, cos it is true but I'm not going there. I'd tell you to your face if you wanted to meet me some time.

It is rotten from the top down and anyone trying to do a decent job gets caught in the crossfire.

Contradict me if you like but it's amazing how you'd be so strong with zero evidence to back it.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: theticklemister on May 27, 2013, 05:12:37 PM
Stuff happens openly in Sligo that would be massive scandal
what is going on
loads of hint in tha various threads but no details . and if its in the ope surely its no problem to tell it.
can't be worse than mayo appoiting a manager for political purposes


If I went into detail about it I would be saying things directly about individuals that I couldn't prove in a court of law. Everyone would know it was true, or knows it's true, cos it is true but I'm not going there. I'd tell you to your face if you wanted to meet me some time.

It is rotten from the top down and anyone trying to do a decent job gets caught in the crossfire.

Contradict me if you like but it's amazing how you'd be so strong with zero evidence to back it.

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Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: muppet on May 27, 2013, 05:16:07 PM
Stuff happens openly in Sligo that would be massive scandal
what is going on
loads of hint in tha various threads but no details . and if its in the ope surely its no problem to tell it.
can't be worse than mayo appoiting a manager for political purposes


If I went into detail about it I would be saying things directly about individuals that I couldn't prove in a court of law. Everyone would know it was true, or knows it's true, cos it is true but I'm not going there. I'd tell you to your face if you wanted to meet me some time.

It is rotten from the top down and anyone trying to do a decent job gets caught in the crossfire.

Contradict me if you like but it's amazing how you'd be so strong with zero evidence to back it.

The reason I don't think the Sunday Game was the place for this is simply as follows.

Magpie Seanie and Sligonian are pointing a very critical finger at the CB. I know that at least one of them and almost certainly both are well qualified to make such an observation. I don't dispute what they or O'Hara has to on that subject.

However the message from the Sunday Game will come from the lower part of the brow and will be personalised in the general media as an attack on Walsh and little else:

RTE - O'Hara calls on Sligo boss to fall on sword (http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2013/0526/452852-ohara-calls-on-sligo-boss-to-fall-on-sword/)
HoganStand - O'Hara calls on Walsh to step down (http://hoganstand.com/football/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=193045)
Examiner - McConville: O'Hara has 'personal axe to grind' with Sligo boss Walsh (http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/mcconville-ohara-has-personal-axe-to-grind-with-sligo-boss-walsh-595723.html)
Joe.ie - Monday Morning Corner Back: O'Hara tears into Walsh (http://www.joe.ie/gaa/the-championship/monday-morning-corner-back-ohara-tears-into-walshobriain-on-the-sunday-game-and-prediction-woes-0038278-1)
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Syferus on May 27, 2013, 05:38:25 PM
Stuff happens openly in Sligo that would be massive scandal
what is going on
loads of hint in tha various threads but no details . and if its in the ope surely its no problem to tell it.
can't be worse than mayo appoiting a manager for political purposes


If I went into detail about it I would be saying things directly about individuals that I couldn't prove in a court of law. Everyone would know it was true, or knows it's true, cos it is true but I'm not going there. I'd tell you to your face if you wanted to meet me some time.

It is rotten from the top down and anyone trying to do a decent job gets caught in the crossfire.

Contradict me if you like but it's amazing how you'd be so strong with zero evidence to back it.

The reason I don't think the Sunday Game was the place for this is simply as follows.

Magpie Seanie and Sligonian are pointing a very critical finger at the CB. I know that at least one of them and almost certainly both are well qualified to make such an observation. I don't dispute what they or O'Hara has to on that subject.

However the message from the Sunday Game will come from the lower part of the brow and will be personalised in the general media as an attack on Walsh and little else:

RTE - O'Hara calls on Sligo boss to fall on sword (http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2013/0526/452852-ohara-calls-on-sligo-boss-to-fall-on-sword/)
HoganStand - O'Hara calls on Walsh to step down (http://hoganstand.com/football/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=193045)
Examiner - McConville: O'Hara has 'personal axe to grind' with Sligo boss Walsh (http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/mcconville-ohara-has-personal-axe-to-grind-with-sligo-boss-walsh-595723.html)
Joe.ie - Monday Morning Corner Back: O'Hara tears into Walsh (http://www.joe.ie/gaa/the-championship/monday-morning-corner-back-ohara-tears-into-walshobriain-on-the-sunday-game-and-prediction-woes-0038278-1)

The question is if it gets the job done inside of Sligo of highlighting and focusing minds on the problems in the county why should they care how others perceive O'Hara's reaction?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: theticklemister on May 27, 2013, 05:45:47 PM
WHAT THE HELL IS HAPPENING IN SLIGO????!!!!!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: seafoid on May 27, 2013, 05:53:51 PM
TSG is turning into a real soap opera. Leave it aht Joe. Anyone goes near sligo I swear I'll do time sez Eamon.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: muppet on May 27, 2013, 05:59:33 PM
The question is if it gets the job done inside of Sligo of highlighting and focusing minds on the problems in the county why should they care how others perceive O'Hara's reaction?


You like the idea of nationally scapegoating Kevin Walsh, when at worst he is only a part of a bigger problem?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Syferus on May 27, 2013, 06:14:05 PM
The question is if it gets the job done inside of Sligo of highlighting and focusing minds on the problems in the county why should they care how others perceive O'Hara's reaction?


You like the idea of nationally scapegoating Kevin Walsh, when at worst he is only a part of a bigger problem?

Nope, and I think it's clear he's going to be a big loser when all the dust settles. This seems to have been a moment that's been building in Sligo GAA for some time now and the county can't worry about Walsh's reputation if it's going to make in-roads in improving things.

Given how a lot of places (and people) are running down O'Hara, Walsh might find some sympathetic ears when he can talk frankly.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: muppet on May 27, 2013, 06:34:06 PM
The question is if it gets the job done inside of Sligo of highlighting and focusing minds on the problems in the county why should they care how others perceive O'Hara's reaction?


You like the idea of nationally scapegoating Kevin Walsh, when at worst he is only a part of a bigger problem?

Nope, and I think it's clear he's going to be a big loser when all the dust settles. This seems to have been a moment that's been building in Sligo GAA for some time now and the county can't worry about Walsh's reputation if it's going to make in-roads in improving things.

Given how a lot of places (and people) are running down O'Hara, Walsh might find some sympathetic ears when he can talk frankly.

If O'Hara is representing the truth, which the reliable Sligo lads on here insist is the case, then imho Walsh's position is now completely untenable. If he is smart he will step aside this week. Then what?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: AZOffaly on May 27, 2013, 06:44:31 PM
The problem I have with this is that Eamonn O'Hara was given a platform on National TV to have a pop at a manager and county board. He is supposed to be a pundit, analysing things. Instead he used an RTE provided soapbox to have a lash out. This was not an analyst, this was a frustrated player ranting at the management and county board, and using a position on the Sunday Game to do so. I don't think that's right.

I don't really blame O'Hara but I think it's just another example of TSG looking for sensationalism and controversy rather than actual analysis.

He's probably 100% in what he said by the way, if Seanie and a couple of others here say so, then I believe it.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Syferus on May 27, 2013, 06:46:26 PM
The question is if it gets the job done inside of Sligo of highlighting and focusing minds on the problems in the county why should they care how others perceive O'Hara's reaction?


You like the idea of nationally scapegoating Kevin Walsh, when at worst he is only a part of a bigger problem?

Nope, and I think it's clear he's going to be a big loser when all the dust settles. This seems to have been a moment that's been building in Sligo GAA for some time now and the county can't worry about Walsh's reputation if it's going to make in-roads in improving things.

Given how a lot of places (and people) are running down O'Hara, Walsh might find some sympathetic ears when he can talk frankly.

If O'Hara is representing the truth, which the reliable Sligo lads on here insist is the case, then imho Walsh's position is now completely untenable. If he is smart he will step aside this week. Then what?

Depends on the pressure clubs put on the county board, I guess. O'Hara as a player-manager seems an intriguing choice as a care-taker for the rest of the season, though he's obviously set the bridge with the county board burning after last night.

Does Walsh have a bit of Banty in him, though?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: muppet on May 27, 2013, 06:56:57 PM
The question is if it gets the job done inside of Sligo of highlighting and focusing minds on the problems in the county why should they care how others perceive O'Hara's reaction?


You like the idea of nationally scapegoating Kevin Walsh, when at worst he is only a part of a bigger problem?

Nope, and I think it's clear he's going to be a big loser when all the dust settles. This seems to have been a moment that's been building in Sligo GAA for some time now and the county can't worry about Walsh's reputation if it's going to make in-roads in improving things.

Given how a lot of places (and people) are running down O'Hara, Walsh might find some sympathetic ears when he can talk frankly.

If O'Hara is representing the truth, which the reliable Sligo lads on here insist is the case, then imho Walsh's position is now completely untenable. If he is smart he will step aside this week. Then what?

Depends on the pressure clubs put on the county board, I guess. O'Hara as a player-manager seems an intriguing choice as a care-taker for the rest of the season, though he's obviously set the bridge with the county board burning after last night.

Does Walsh have a bit of Banty in him, though?

This cannot happen now, after he spoke out on TSG, surely you can see that?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Syferus on May 27, 2013, 06:59:51 PM
The question is if it gets the job done inside of Sligo of highlighting and focusing minds on the problems in the county why should they care how others perceive O'Hara's reaction?


You like the idea of nationally scapegoating Kevin Walsh, when at worst he is only a part of a bigger problem?

Nope, and I think it's clear he's going to be a big loser when all the dust settles. This seems to have been a moment that's been building in Sligo GAA for some time now and the county can't worry about Walsh's reputation if it's going to make in-roads in improving things.

Given how a lot of places (and people) are running down O'Hara, Walsh might find some sympathetic ears when he can talk frankly.

If O'Hara is representing the truth, which the reliable Sligo lads on here insist is the case, then imho Walsh's position is now completely untenable. If he is smart he will step aside this week. Then what?

Depends on the pressure clubs put on the county board, I guess. O'Hara as a player-manager seems an intriguing choice as a care-taker for the rest of the season, though he's obviously set the bridge with the county board burning after last night.

Does Walsh have a bit of Banty in him, though?

This cannot happen now, after he spoke out on TSG, surely you can see that?

Hence the part after what you bolded  :o
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: muppet on May 27, 2013, 07:15:57 PM
The question is if it gets the job done inside of Sligo of highlighting and focusing minds on the problems in the county why should they care how others perceive O'Hara's reaction?


You like the idea of nationally scapegoating Kevin Walsh, when at worst he is only a part of a bigger problem?

Nope, and I think it's clear he's going to be a big loser when all the dust settles. This seems to have been a moment that's been building in Sligo GAA for some time now and the county can't worry about Walsh's reputation if it's going to make in-roads in improving things.

Given how a lot of places (and people) are running down O'Hara, Walsh might find some sympathetic ears when he can talk frankly.

If O'Hara is representing the truth, which the reliable Sligo lads on here insist is the case, then imho Walsh's position is now completely untenable. If he is smart he will step aside this week. Then what?

Depends on the pressure clubs put on the county board, I guess. O'Hara as a player-manager seems an intriguing choice as a care-taker for the rest of the season, though he's obviously set the bridge with the county board burning after last night.

Does Walsh have a bit of Banty in him, though?

This cannot happen now, after he spoke out on TSG, surely you can see that?

Hence the part after what you bolded  :o

More than that, every player rebellion will see a star player appear on TSG panel airing their grievances if that happens.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: highorlow on May 27, 2013, 07:38:47 PM
I have some sympathy for Walsh mainly given that O'Hara chose his words poorly and also in the forum he chose to do it.

Hanging a man in such a personal way on prime time tv is a cold thing to do.

In saying that I would say that managers have to live by their decisions and as Mayo and James Horan know all too well it's a fine line between success and failure. When failure does arrive you have to factor in the size of the failure itself.

Losing to London a few years back would have been a massive upset  but given their improvement over the last while I wouldn't regard yesterday as a huge upset.

Sligo need to dust themselves down now for the qualifiers and get on with it and take the back door route. I'd say there was a better chance Walsh leaving if O'Hara kept his trap shut than there is now. He will probably stay on now out of spite.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Syferus on May 27, 2013, 07:49:46 PM
I have some sympathy for Walsh mainly given that O'Hara chose his words poorly and also in the forum he chose to do it.

Hanging a man in such a personal way on prime time tv is a cold thing to do.

In saying that I would say that managers have to live by their decisions and as Mayo and James Horan know all too well it's a fine line between success and failure. When failure does arrive you have to factor in the size of the failure itself.

Losing to London a few years back would have been a massive upset  but given their improvement over the last while I wouldn't regard yesterday as a huge upset.

Sligo need to dust themselves down now for the qualifiers and get on with it and take the back door route. I'd say there was a better chance Walsh leaving if O'Hara kept his trap shut than there is now. He will probably stay on now out of spite.

Absolutely not.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: thejuice on May 27, 2013, 08:05:29 PM
O'Hara seems to have really taken to the job RTE have given him. He has everyone talking about this which is what they want.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Wildweasel74 on May 27, 2013, 08:16:12 PM
well better that than another joe show this week!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Zulu on May 27, 2013, 08:31:08 PM
Really surprised by how many here are criticising O'Hara. When I read some of the comments I thought he must really have done a job on Walsh but having seen the clip I can't see what all the fuss is about. He gave a reasoned, honest answer to the question posed, i.e. what he should do as an analyst. If he wasn't willing to elaborate on the one county which he would have genuine knowledge of then he shouldn't be there at all. I didn't think he was harsh on Walsh either as a lot of Sligo folk were saying the same thing beforehand. I doubt O'Hara will have regrets over his comments for the simple reason the were reasoned and spoken without malice IMO.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: midLouth on May 27, 2013, 08:53:01 PM
Really surprised by how many here are criticising O'Hara. When I read some of the comments I thought he must really have done a job on Walsh but having seen the clip I can't see what all the fuss is about. He gave a reasoned, honest answer to the question posed, i.e. what he should do as an analyst. If he wasn't willing to elaborate on the one county which he would have genuine knowledge of then he shouldn't be there at all. I didn't think he was harsh on Walsh either as a lot of Sligo folk were saying the same thing beforehand. I doubt O'Hara will have regrets over his comments for the simple reason the were reasoned and spoken without malice IMO.

Do you really think that? Sounded pretty bitter to me that he wasn't afford the leeway he wanted.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Zulu on May 27, 2013, 09:09:14 PM
I've no doubt he has his own agenda but that's true of us all. His experiences of Walsh may not have been positive but I didn't feel he was kicking a man when he was down simple because he had the chance, I just thought he was being honest and he stated that Kevin had the right to seek full commitment and to recall Kilcullen. I really didn't feel he was knifing a man on national TV but was simply calling it he saw it and that is what he should do IMO.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: rodney trotter on May 27, 2013, 09:28:09 PM
People are looking into his criticism of Walsh a bit much, there will be plenty of red faces in the Sligo Co board because they got the dig - and maybe rightly so. A new Centre of Excellence not near complete and work has stalled, people resigning from the County board. O Hara is passionate about his county and fair play, Walsh has been there 5/6 years,. Maybe he hung in there a year too long, and things got a bit lax this year.

Walsh was suppose to be lining up other jobs at the end of last year too, which hardly went down well either.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ck on May 27, 2013, 09:29:57 PM
The problem I have with this is that Eamonn O'Hara was given a platform on National TV to have a pop at a manager and county board. He is supposed to be a pundit, analysing things. Instead he used an RTE provided soapbox to have a lash out. This was not an analyst, this was a frustrated player ranting at the management and county board, and using a position on the Sunday Game to do so. I don't think that's right.

I don't really blame O'Hara but I think it's just another example of TSG looking for sensationalism and controversy rather than actual analysis.

He's probably 100% in what he said by the way, if Seanie and a couple of others here say so, then I believe it.

How was it not analysis? He gave a solid insight and analysis of Sligo football. Would you rather him blame the goalkeepers poor kickouts or the lack of ability to win break ball? Or do you want him to share the home truths he knows to be true as to why we lost?

Fair play to Eamon O'Hara. He speaks out for the betterment of Sligo football and speaks for many Sligo GAA people in the process
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Mayo Mick on May 27, 2013, 09:54:18 PM
The problem I have with this is that Eamonn O'Hara was given a platform on National TV to have a pop at a manager and county board. He is supposed to be a pundit, analysing things. Instead he used an RTE provided soapbox to have a lash out. This was not an analyst, this was a frustrated player ranting at the management and county board, and using a position on the Sunday Game to do so. I don't think that's right.

I don't really blame O'Hara but I think it's just another example of TSG looking for sensationalism and controversy rather than actual analysis.

He's probably 100% in what he said by the way, if Seanie and a couple of others here say so, then I believe it.

How was it not analysis? He gave a solid insight and analysis of Sligo football. Would you rather him blame the goalkeepers poor kickouts or the lack of ability to win break ball? Or do you want him to share the home truths he knows to be true as to why we lost?

Fair play to Eamon O'Hara. He speaks out for the betterment of Sligo football and speaks for many Sligo GAA people in the process[/b

O'Hara lowered the blade and forgot that the gig is to provide football analysis not whining about the inner workings of Sligo GAA from his perspective.   Failed completely in his first big test on TV.  Wasn't helped by Cahill who continues to look Junior B standard. Anyway far too much talk on Sunday Game and not enough action from the games not covered live.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Zulu on May 27, 2013, 09:59:31 PM
The quality of preparation is a relevant factor in how a team performs so I don't see why that should have been ignored in the post match analysis. I don't know if O'Hara is correct in his assessment of Walsh but from reading the Sligo boys here he is so it is relevant when analysing what happened.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: imtommygunn on May 27, 2013, 10:10:54 PM
It was personal and non objective. It wasn't really about the match either.

It was Des Cahill's fault really. He set it up. O'Hara was just honest in his answer.

It's high time Spillane was sacked and it's also time they stuck to proper analysis and less of the controversy. There's barely one of them boys capable of doing some proper non half assed objective analysis of a game. That clip where they picked on McNiece was ridiculous. The left half back was doing nothing on the left side of defense to combat a boy making a strong run down that same side but sure it's the left half forwards fault.

Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Mayo Mick on May 27, 2013, 10:13:32 PM
The quality of preparation is a relevant factor in how a team performs so I don't see why that should have been ignored in the post match analysis. I don't know if O'Hara is correct in his assessment of Walsh but from reading the Sligo boys here he is so it is relevant when analysing what happened.

It is a factor but analysis requires facts to be assembled in a disinterested way - anyway most of what he had to say was not analysis but not missing an opportunity to get the boot into Walsh. Saying he should resign has nothing to do with analysis. If there was a Galway panelist on last week would he be right if he knifed Mullholland. Should every county have their own panelist on TSG to provide the inside analysis!!!

O'Hara was a great footballer but he has a bit of growing up to do yet at 36.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Zulu on May 27, 2013, 10:15:02 PM
No analysis is non objective to some degree and when it's your own county it's less so. I agree entirely re Spillane, truly awful stuff from him as usual.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: INDIANA on May 27, 2013, 10:16:15 PM
The quality of preparation is a relevant factor in how a team performs so I don't see why that should have been ignored in the post match analysis. I don't know if O'Hara is correct in his assessment of Walsh but from reading the Sligo boys here he is so it is relevant when analysing what happened.

i don't agree. It was the wrong forum to do it and to me as a neutral he came across poorly

Had he kept the tenet of the conversation simply to what you describe I'd have agreed but it began and ended with him.

I don't doubt the misgivings of the Sligo posters here on Walsh but the conversation should have stuck to its brief and left him out of it.

the fact that it didn't meant that people today are talking about him not being there rather then the poor preparation of the team,

I'll leave it up to posters to decide which is more important. I think it was an opportunity missed
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Zulu on May 27, 2013, 10:20:48 PM
The quality of preparation is a relevant factor in how a team performs so I don't see why that should have been ignored in the post match analysis. I don't know if O'Hara is correct in his assessment of Walsh but from reading the Sligo boys here he is so it is relevant when analysing what happened.

It is a factor but analysis requires facts to be assembled in a disinterested way - anyway most of what he had to say was not analysis but not missing an opportunity to get the boot into Walsh. Saying he should resign has nothing to do with analysis. If there was a Galway panelist on last week would he be right if he knifed Mullholland. Should every county have their own panelist on TSG to provide the inside analysis!!!

O'Hara was a great footballer but he has a bit of growing up to do yet at 36.

But it appears Sligo are a shambles under Walsh so it is relevant to their performance. Walsh is the manager of an IC team so he has accept he can be criticised, as do we. Mullholland isn't there long enough but if they showed no sign of improvement next and took another tanking then it would be perfectly reasonable to question his position. Anyway, I didn't think O'Hara put the boot in and referenced more than Walsh in his analysis. The selection and tactics are wrong too by all accounts and if true Walsh has to shoulder much of the blame.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Zulu on May 27, 2013, 10:26:11 PM
The quality of preparation is a relevant factor in how a team performs so I don't see why that should have been ignored in the post match analysis. I don't know if O'Hara is correct in his assessment of Walsh but from reading the Sligo boys here he is so it is relevant when analysing what happened.

i don't agree. It was the wrong forum to do it and to me as a neutral he came across poorly

Had he kept the tenet of the conversation simply to what you describe I'd have agreed but it began and ended with him.

I don't doubt the misgivings of the Sligo posters here on Walsh but the conversation should have stuck to its brief and left him out of it.

the fact that it didn't meant that people today are talking about him not being there rather then the poor preparation of the team,

I'll leave it up to posters to decide which is more important. I think it was an opportunity missed

I don't see how it was the incorrect forum, it was on a program meant to analyse GAA. CB structures and management obviously feed into IC performances,  if they are substandard surely it is reasonable to reference that. Sligo don't have the players to win an All Ireland but they do have plenty to beat London I would suspect so getting beat does raise questions. Walsh isn't working with disadvantaged kids, he is a big boy managing in a high profile sport so when his team get beaten by the weakest team in the competition then it's fair to question his position IMO and that's what O'Hara did.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: INDIANA on May 27, 2013, 10:30:46 PM
The quality of preparation is a relevant factor in how a team performs so I don't see why that should have been ignored in the post match analysis. I don't know if O'Hara is correct in his assessment of Walsh but from reading the Sligo boys here he is so it is relevant when analysing what happened.

i don't agree. It was the wrong forum to do it and to me as a neutral he came across poorly

Had he kept the tenet of the conversation simply to what you describe I'd have agreed but it began and ended with him.

I don't doubt the misgivings of the Sligo posters here on Walsh but the conversation should have stuck to its brief and left him out of it.

the fact that it didn't meant that people today are talking about him not being there rather then the poor preparation of the team,

I'll leave it up to posters to decide which is more important. I think it was an opportunity missed

I don't see how it was the incorrect forum, it was on a program meant to analyse GAA. CB structures and management obviously feed into IC performances,  if they are substandard surely it is reasonable to reference that. Sligo don't have the players to win an All Ireland but they do have plenty to beat London I would suspect so getting beat does raise questions. Walsh isn't working with disadvantaged kids, he is a big boy managing in a high profile sport so when his team get beaten by the weakest team in the competition then it's fair to question his position IMO and that's what O'Hara did.

You haven't once answered any posters misgivings on the subject.

National TV is not an appropriate forum for an individual to raise the issue of himself not being selected on an analysis show. The other individual didn't have the right of reply

Nobody disagrees on anything else you've said. He's entitled to raise all the issues you mention but he is not entitled in my view to use the analysis section as his own soapbox as to why/why not he wasn't selected
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Mayo Mick on May 27, 2013, 10:30:59 PM
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But it appears Sligo are a shambles under Walsh

Beat Galway last year and ran us to a couple of points in CF. Hardly a shambles then. Any the point is that problems with management and preparations are part of analysis when the person doing the analysis is somewhat objective. O'Hara has the gig because he is supposed to analyse what he sees on the field - not because he can bring biased tittle tattle. TSG is a national programme and the pundits are supposed to be able to leave county loyalties and grudges aside.

I'll leave it if you don't understand analysis or the role of a pundit or are too loyal to recently retired players.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: midLouth on May 27, 2013, 10:39:24 PM
I've no doubt he has his own agenda but that's true of us all. His experiences of Walsh may not have been positive but I didn't feel he was kicking a man when he was down simple because he had the chance, I just thought he was being honest and he stated that Kevin had the right to seek full commitment and to recall Kilcullen. I really didn't feel he was knifing a man on national TV but was simply calling it he saw it and that is what he should do IMO.

He used a medium where his opponent couldn't respond, not exactly fair.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Jinxy on May 27, 2013, 10:51:09 PM
No analysis is non objective to some degree and when it's your own county it's less so. I agree entirely re Spillane, truly awful stuff from him as usual.

You're dead when Hardy gets here.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Zulu on May 27, 2013, 10:53:47 PM
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Nobody disagrees on anything else you've said. He's entitled to raise all the issues you mention but he is not entitled in my view to use the analysis section as his own soapbox as to why/why not he wasn't selected

He was asked why he wasn't there, he said he couldn't give the commitment asked by Walsh so it was fair enough for Walsh not to pick him. All very uncontroversial IMO and nothing that I would feel Walsh would be overly upset about.

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I'll leave it if you don't understand analysis or the role of a pundit or are too loyal to recently retired players.

Are you saying that of me? I'm not a Sligo man so I couldn't care less about O'Hara beyond his analysis which I thought was poor the first night but was honest and reasoned last night.

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Beat Galway last year and ran us to a couple of points in CF. Hardly a shambles then.

Counties can improve/disimprove from year to year and beating Galway is hardly a sign of rude health. I don't know anything about Sligo but none of the Sligo posters here disagree with O'Hara so it seems fair to accept all is far from well behind the scenes.

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O'Hara has the gig because he is supposed to analyse what he sees on the field - not because he can bring biased tittle tattle

No he's not. He's meant to assess games on what he knows about the game overall. To accept your view then if O'Hara knew a guy was sick all week and played poorly he shouldn't say the guy was very ill all week but should simply say the guy was useless today and not inform us of any off field reasons he was poor. Now I accept he shouldn't yell us he is having marital issues or something like that but that would be non-football stuff, the merits of a manager are not out of bounds.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Zulu on May 27, 2013, 10:54:54 PM
No analysis is non objective to some degree and when it's your own county it's less so. I agree entirely re Spillane, truly awful stuff from him as usual.

You're dead when Hardy gets here.

it dont reed wel, know doubt,,
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Zulu on May 27, 2013, 10:55:48 PM
I've no doubt he has his own agenda but that's true of us all. His experiences of Walsh may not have been positive but I didn't feel he was kicking a man when he was down simple because he had the chance, I just thought he was being honest and he stated that Kevin had the right to seek full commitment and to recall Kilcullen. I really didn't feel he was knifing a man on national TV but was simply calling it he saw it and that is what he should do IMO.

He used a medium where his opponent couldn't respond, not exactly fair.

But he can respond  in due course if he feels he needs to.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Wildweasel74 on May 27, 2013, 11:11:46 PM
We looking at a tag team match up with natural disasters Paul Grimley and Kevin Walsh up against willow the wisp motor mouth Joe brolly and the shoot from the hip sligo legend O`Hara. Spillane to referee. lol
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Mayo Mick on May 27, 2013, 11:18:13 PM
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I'll leave it if you don't understand analysis or the role of a pundit or are too loyal to recently retired players.

Are you saying that of me? I'm not a Sligo man so I couldn't care less about O'Hara beyond his analysis which I thought was poor the first night but was honest and reasoned last night.

Yes - saying it of you. Did not think you were from Sligo but you did seem intent on defending   O'Hara's call for Walshe's resignation " as analysis"!! And you seem to miss the point that O'Hara is on the TSG panel as a national pundit andit is not a  forum for him to address the ills of Sligo football. The lad just let his own ego get in the way of the job he was supposed to be doing. As I said not helped by the question from Cahill.

Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: midLouth on May 27, 2013, 11:18:26 PM
I've no doubt he has his own agenda but that's true of us all. His experiences of Walsh may not have been positive but I didn't feel he was kicking a man when he was down simple because he had the chance, I just thought he was being honest and he stated that Kevin had the right to seek full commitment and to recall Kilcullen. I really didn't feel he was knifing a man on national TV but was simply calling it he saw it and that is what he should do IMO.

He used a medium where his opponent couldn't respond, not exactly fair.

But he can respond  in due course if he feels he needs to.

O'Hara has already caused more damage than Walsh will be able to curb. I reckon McConville was spot on with his interview, O'Hara was annoyed about not being afford some leeway and drove the boot in when he was down.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Syferus on May 27, 2013, 11:21:46 PM
Aye, the lad who hasn't a clue about the situation is right while the man from the county is the edjit. C'mon guys, step up your game.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: From the Bunker on May 27, 2013, 11:29:43 PM
How long is Spillane doing this gig now? His number is has to be up soon! We get little or no personal statistical analysis. Any Stats are got from newspapers etc. He follows the traditional view of counties.  He is clearly being left behind by Brolly, McStay and O'Rourke. He is clearly stuck in a time warp of 70's GAA, dreaming of High fetching, Long balls into the full forward line, 1-3-3-2-3-3 formations, Ulster Counties being the nice counties that come to Croker for the day out. Ah i could go on. Last nights remarks regarding GPS and Blanket defenses. The week before's remark that Mayo should have beaten Galway by 10 goals - 80 points to prove they were a top team!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ross matt on May 27, 2013, 11:35:53 PM
O'Hara kicked a man when he's down. And he had the benefit of the national media to do so. How was last year "papering over the cracks" ? They beat Galway (yes I know they're poor at the moment but they're still Galway) and they ran a powerful ultimately AI runner up Mayo side to a narrow margin in the Connacht final.

O'Hara was one of my favourite players and has the makings of a decent analysist (and I agree its time to pension of Spillane) but I was disappointed with Eamon's comments Sunday night. He was working off his own personal agenda. At 37 he was well past his best and he knows it.

Familarity breeds contempt and Kevin Walsh has probably taken Sligo as far as he can. But he was a double AI winner and a 3 times allstar as a player. He is a manager who's reign with Sligo was impressive. He went down against a London side who have been threatening to do this for a number of years whilst (thanks to immigration for here) they've been getting stronger. He obviously gambled and got it wrong.

He deserves to leave on his own terms. Not to be publicly humiliated on tv by a former great who could hardly conceal his smugness at his former playing colleague's downfall. Eamon should have had more class of the field similar to when he was on it. Des Cahill didnt set him up with the question. It was all well rehearsed and both of them knew exactly what they were doing.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Zulu on May 27, 2013, 11:40:54 PM
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I'll leave it if you don't understand analysis or the role of a pundit or are too loyal to recently retired players.

Are you saying that of me? I'm not a Sligo man so I couldn't care less about O'Hara beyond his analysis which I thought was poor the first night but was honest and reasoned last night.

Yes - saying it of you. Did not think you were from Sligo but you did seem intent on defending   O'Hara's call for Walshe's resignation " as analysis"!! And you seem to miss the point that O'Hara is on the TSG panel as a national pundit andit is not a  forum for him to address the ills of Sligo football. The lad just let his own ego get in the way of the job he was supposed to be doing. As I said not helped by the question from Cahill.

Of course it's analysis, as I said you can't disassociate off field issues from on field performances. Sometimes it isn't a major factor and sometimes it is and that seems to be the case here. How you say he should ignore this when asked about the result is beyond me and would suggest you are unaware of what analysis is. I'll leave it that as we have different interpretations of O'Hara's views and neither of us are going to change our fundamental opinion.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: muppet on May 27, 2013, 11:47:19 PM
O'Hara kicked a man when he's down. And he had the benefit of the national media to do so. How was last year "papering over the cracks" ? They beat Galway (yes I know they're poor at the moment but they're still Galway) and they ran a powerful ultimately AI runner up Mayo side to a narrow margin in the Connacht final.

O'Hara was one of my favourite players and has the makings of a decent analysist (and I agree its time to pension of Spillane) but I was disappointed with Eamon's comments Sunday night. He was working off his own personal agenda. At 37 he was well past his best and he knows it.

Familarity breeds contempt and Kevin Walsh has probably taken Sligo as far as he can. But he was a double AI winner and a 3 times allstar as a player. He is a manager who's reign with Sligo was impressive. He went down against a London side who have been threatening to do this for a number of years whilst (thanks to immigration for here) they've been getting stronger. He obviously gambled and got it wrong.

He deserves to leave on his own terms. Not to be publicly humiliated on tv by a former great who could hardly conceal his smugness at his former playing colleague's downfall. Eamon should have had more class of the field similar to when he was on it. Des Cahill didnt set him up with the question. It was all well rehearsed and both of them knew exactly what they were doing.

Interesting point.

I posted this photo during the match. The comment with it said Eamonn was watching the score in London on twitter. It was put up on twitter by Des Cahill and presumably (although I have no way of knowing) taken by Des.

Getting nervous:

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Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: midLouth on May 28, 2013, 12:44:10 AM
And another ex county player weighs in against O'Hara.

“@PhilipJordan7: RTE need to do something about the Sunday Game analysts. Brolly's rant about PG last week was bad but O'Hara was a disgrace last nite”

“@PhilipJordan7: Took his personal issues with Walsh to a national audience. Is it too much to expect some analysis of the matches? Our game deserves better”
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Syferus on May 28, 2013, 12:52:02 AM
And another ex county player weighs in against O'Hara.

“@PhilipJordan7: RTE need to do something about the Sunday Game analysts. Brolly's rant about PG last week was bad but O'Hara was a disgrace last nite”

“@PhilipJordan7: Took his personal issues with Walsh to a national audience. Is it too much to expect some analysis of the matches? Our game deserves better”

It really is telling how different the reaction is to the people this effects and the people it doesn't. If the shoe was on the other foot Philip, Osin and co mightn't be so quick to speak out.

If you're asking me who I trust to know what's best for Sligo I'll stick with the people who give their lives to the county.

Break-ups are rarely elegant, pretty or convenient things.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 28, 2013, 04:53:27 AM
O'Hara kicked a man when he's down. And he had the benefit of the national media to do so. How was last year "papering over the cracks" ? They beat Galway (yes I know they're poor at the moment but they're still Galway) and they ran a powerful ultimately AI runner up Mayo side to a narrow margin in the Connacht final.

O'Hara was one of my favourite players and has the makings of a decent analysist (and I agree its time to pension of Spillane) but I was disappointed with Eamon's comments Sunday night. He was working off his own personal agenda. At 37 he was well past his best and he knows it.

Familarity breeds contempt and Kevin Walsh has probably taken Sligo as far as he can. But he was a double AI winner and a 3 times allstar as a player. He is a manager who's reign with Sligo was impressive. He went down against a London side who have been threatening to do this for a number of years whilst (thanks to immigration for here) they've been getting stronger. He obviously gambled and got it wrong.

He deserves to leave on his own terms. Not to be publicly humiliated on tv by a former great who could hardly conceal his smugness at his former playing colleague's downfall. Eamon should have had more class of the field similar to when he was on it. Des Cahill didnt set him up with the question. It was all well rehearsed and both of them knew exactly what they were doing.
I couldnt disagree more, you havent a clue. I never liked your posts on here but this is the greatest load of rubbish youve ever spouted. Its a pity ye didn't hire walsh and then you might see it differently. but as usual your misinformed and you dont want to hear the truth.

I think if the national reaction to O Hara is anything to go by, Irish people dont like the truth and that is why we get rubbish politicians who spout lies. if O hara had held back and lied he wouldnt be popular in Sligo but he would be with outsiders, so he took the fall nationally for us, i guess he doesnt care what ejits like you or the likes of midlouth etc...think because yere nt from sligo, he only cares what we think and hes got a hugely positive reaction from sligo people and surely you must think wait a sec, why are sligo people so proud and heartened by oharas comments?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: fearbrags on May 28, 2013, 05:30:33 AM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/sligo-throw-weight-behind-boss-walsh-after-ohara-broadside-29300574.html
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: INDIANA on May 28, 2013, 07:26:33 AM
O'Hara kicked a man when he's down. And he had the benefit of the national media to do so. How was last year "papering over the cracks" ? They beat Galway (yes I know they're poor at the moment but they're still Galway) and they ran a powerful ultimately AI runner up Mayo side to a narrow margin in the Connacht final.

O'Hara was one of my favourite players and has the makings of a decent analysist (and I agree its time to pension of Spillane) but I was disappointed with Eamon's comments Sunday night. He was working off his own personal agenda. At 37 he was well past his best and he knows it.

Familarity breeds contempt and Kevin Walsh has probably taken Sligo as far as he can. But he was a double AI winner and a 3 times allstar as a player. He is a manager who's reign with Sligo was impressive. He went down against a London side who have been threatening to do this for a number of years whilst (thanks to immigration for here) they've been getting stronger. He obviously gambled and got it wrong.

He deserves to leave on his own terms. Not to be publicly humiliated on tv by a former great who could hardly conceal his smugness at his former playing colleague's downfall. Eamon should have had more class of the field similar to when he was on it. Des Cahill didnt set him up with the question. It was all well rehearsed and both of them knew exactly what they were doing.
I couldnt disagree more, you havent a clue. I never liked your posts on here but this is the greatest load of rubbish youve ever spouted. Its a pity ye didn't hire walsh and then you might see it differently. but as usual your misinformed and you dont want to hear the truth.

I think if the national reaction to O Hara is anything to go by, Irish people dont like the truth and that is why we get rubbish politicians who spout lies. if O hara had held back and lied he wouldnt be popular in Sligo but he would be with outsiders, so he took the fall nationally for us, i guess he doesnt care what ejits like you or the likes of midlouth etc...think because yere nt from sligo, he only cares what we think and hes got a hugely positive reaction from sligo people and surely you must think wait a sec, why are sligo people so proud and heartened by oharas comments?



We've all had bad managers Dublin included and I wouldn't disagree with most of what O Hara said. At the end of the day all the Sligo posters here can't be wrong and Walsh has overstayed in the gig probably by 2 years.

But he crossed the line when he brought himself into it in my view.

Granted Cahill's line of questioning didn't help he should have deflected from that and focused on the problems at hand. Because the problems got lost in translation to most neutrals.

As to what happens next I can't see any management team surviving a defeat to London.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 28, 2013, 07:42:25 AM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/sligo-throw-weight-behind-boss-walsh-after-ohara-broadside-29300574.html
Can you copy and paste as i can access this website at work, cheers
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Hound on May 28, 2013, 08:08:31 AM
Having read the comments on this thread before seeing the actual programme, I was a tad disappointed at the lack of fireworks!

O'Hara was calm and reasoned and, in my opinion, was giving his honest views. He basically said he didnt rate Walsh as a manager, but it was clearly explained beforehand the reasons how/why O'Hara is biased against Walsh. So its up to the viewer to take all that into account.

Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Zulu on May 28, 2013, 08:24:59 AM
My feelings exactly hound. Definitely not a hatch job from O'Hara. All he did was his job as an analyst - gave his opinion based on the facts as he knows them.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: AZOffaly on May 28, 2013, 08:33:45 AM
Can't agree lads. As I said, I'm sure his comments are accurate, but I don't see how an ex-player, with aspirations to still be playing, can be an objective analyst on games he feels he should still be involved in, especially when the team lose and he feels he has an axe to grind. That's not analysis in my book.

But I do understand the frustration and I'm sure he's correct. I just don't like the way RTE and he approached this subject.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: magpie seanie on May 28, 2013, 08:49:19 AM
Sligonian - Comical Ali to the rescue!!! "No major splits!!!!

From the Irish Independent:


Sligo throw weight behind boss Walsh after O'Hara broadside
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Kevin Walsh, Sligo
 Colm Keys – 28 May 2013

Sligo County Board have given their full backing to manager Kevin Walsh in the wake of former All Star Eamonn O'Hara's call for him to step down.

O'Hara used the platform of 'The Sunday Game' to criticise Walsh's tactical nous and suggested that he had "lost" the players.

But Sligo secretary Gerard O'Connor insisted that there was no question of Walsh (above) being pushed out of the job or leaving before the end of the year on the back of Sunday's defeat to London. The indications are, however, that Walsh will end his time with Sligo when he completes his fifth season in charge.

OPINIONS

O'Connor said O'Hara was entitled to his opinions but added it was "obvious there is a personality clash or spleen between him and the manager, but it's nothing to do with Sligo County Board".

Walsh was not available to comment on O'Hara's outburst on Sunday night, which concluded with a call to step down.

O'Hara had wanted to play on for a 19th championship season but claims Walsh produced a comeback deadline last November that he couldn't meet.

"It is very easy to be critical at times like this, but what's forgotten is that London have been threatening to pull off a result like this for quite some time," O'Connor added.

"It is important to remember that Kevin Walsh brought us up two divisions in the league in his first two years as well as reaching two Connacht finals.

"Eamonn is a commentator and he is paid for his comments, but that is just his opinion."

O'Connor also refuted the suggestion that Sligo GAA was split at administrative level .

"There are no major splits in the board. People didn't take up posts for their own reasons.

"And as for the failure to finish the centre of excellence that Eamonn referred to, we will not ask him back to finish the job until we have finance in place to pay the contractor."

Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 28, 2013, 08:54:22 AM
Sligonian - Comical Ali to the rescue!!! "No major splits!!!!

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 Colm Keys – 28 May 2013

Sligo County Board have given their full backing to manager Kevin Walsh in the wake of former All Star Eamonn O'Hara's call for him to step down.

O'Hara used the platform of 'The Sunday Game' to criticise Walsh's tactical nous and suggested that he had "lost" the players.

But Sligo secretary Gerard O'Connor insisted that there was no question of Walsh (above) being pushed out of the job or leaving before the end of the year on the back of Sunday's defeat to London. The indications are, however, that Walsh will end his time with Sligo when he completes his fifth season in charge.

OPINIONS

O'Connor said O'Hara was entitled to his opinions but added it was "obvious there is a personality clash or spleen between him and the manager, but it's nothing to do with Sligo County Board".

Walsh was not available to comment on O'Hara's outburst on Sunday night, which concluded with a call to step down.

O'Hara had wanted to play on for a 19th championship season but claims Walsh produced a comeback deadline last November that he couldn't meet.

"It is very easy to be critical at times like this, but what's forgotten is that London have been threatening to pull off a result like this for quite some time," O'Connor added.

"It is important to remember that Kevin Walsh brought us up two divisions in the league in his first two years as well as reaching two Connacht finals.

"Eamonn is a commentator and he is paid for his comments, but that is just his opinion."

O'Connor also refuted the suggestion that Sligo GAA was split at administrative level .

"There are no major splits in the board. People didn't take up posts for their own reasons.

"And as for the failure to finish the centre of excellence that Eamonn referred to, we will not ask him back to finish the job until we have finance in place to pay the contractor."
Lying b**tard, this shows the c***ts up for what they are, gutless, spineless, vindicative. Public they lie, privately its so different. Its just so sad. Whilst Sligo GAA suffers.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: magpie seanie on May 28, 2013, 09:06:24 AM
"Nothing to do with Sligo County Board"!!!!!!!! Thanks Eamonn for your 19 odd years service - take your shafting like a nice little boy and go away.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: highorlow on May 28, 2013, 09:08:53 AM
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I'd say there was a better chance Walsh leaving if O'Hara kept his trap shut than there is now. He will probably stay on now out of spite.

as predicted
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Hound on May 28, 2013, 09:13:10 AM
Can't agree lads. As I said, I'm sure his comments are accurate, but I don't see how an ex-player, with aspirations to still be playing, can be an objective analyst on games he feels he should still be involved in, especially when the team lose and he feels he has an axe to grind. That's not analysis in my book.

But I do understand the frustration and I'm sure he's correct. I just don't like the way RTE and he approached this subject.
Nobody anywhere claimed he was objective. He was stating his own subjective opinion.
But no matter who was doing the analysis - Sligo losing to London in Connacht championship for the first time in XXX years - was going to slate the Sligo manager, regardless of them being an objective neutral or not. 
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Zulu on May 28, 2013, 09:22:40 AM
Can't agree lads. As I said, I'm sure his comments are accurate, but I don't see how an ex-player, with aspirations to still be playing, can be an objective analyst on games he feels he should still be involved in, especially when the team lose and he feels he has an axe to grind. That's not analysis in my book.

But I do understand the frustration and I'm sure he's correct. I just don't like the way RTE and he approached this subject.

But that's more a case of your interpretation of O'Hara's comments AZ. If you were asked to comment on Offaly or Tipp football you'd have more of an insight than if asked about Antrim football for example. Surely you'd be entitled to refer to the work being done at club level in Tipp etc. during your analysis. If that happened to be critical I don't see why it would be out of bounds. If Sligo hammered London and O'Hara said Walsh was brilliant because of X, Y or Z nobody would criticise him but because he is critical he should shut his mouth? If he unnecessarily personal then yeah he'd be out of line but he stuck to football IMO.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: imtommygunn on May 28, 2013, 09:39:36 AM
What does O'Hara do for a living? Is he a contractor who was working on the centre of excellence?

That's almost what the last line there seems to suggest. If so hell of a dig at him. If not then I'm obviously reading too much into it!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: muppet on May 28, 2013, 09:43:44 AM
The Indo article above shows why the Sunday Game was the wrong forum.

It is now merely a 'spleen' between Walsh and O'Hara, and Walsh will stay silent and maintain the high moral ground. He may stay for the qualifier or he may go.

The CB now actually looks almost reasonable in this.

The reality according to the Sligo lads is very different, and obviously very frustrating. But the row is now on a national stage and there it will be diluted down to the lowest common denominator, which is a player versus a manager. And worse from a passionate Sligo supporter's point of view, people all over Ireland will have an opinion without knowing anything other than what they saw on the Sunday Game and the associated fallout.

@Hound & @Zulu what O'Hara actually said doesn't really matter anymore. It will be remembered (outside Sligo) as an ex-player having a go at his former manager as a new panelist on TSG and little else.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: AZOffaly on May 28, 2013, 09:51:43 AM
I understand what ye are saying lads, and I suppose it comes down to what do you expect an analyst, a paid, professional, analyst to bring to the party. Using his subjective view to slate someone from that pedastal is always distasteful in my opinion, and I feel the same about Brolly's character assassination of Grimley last week.

I think RTE are trying to make the Sunday Game 'edgy' for the past few years and this is just another flavour of it. "Disgruntled Ex-Player 'blasts' Sligo after defeat" is probably how a tabloid would play it, and I think that's what TSG is looking for. Tabloid TV.

I don't have a problem with someone using insight into a situation, which is why it's interesting to hear O'Rourke talk about Meath, etc etc, but I don't think what we saw on Sunday was that, I think it was someone with a major gripe, albeit legitimate, feeling vindicated and using the Sunday Game as a platform.

Just to say, I do think O'Hara was very composed and measured, it wasn't a rant by any means.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: NAG1 on May 28, 2013, 09:58:32 AM
I understand what ye are saying lads, and I suppose it comes down to what do you expect an analyst, a paid, professional, analyst to bring to the party. Using his subjective view to slate someone from that pedastal is always distasteful in my opinion, and I feel the same about Brolly's character assassination of Grimley last week.

I think RTE are trying to make the Sunday Game 'edgy' for the past few years and this is just another flavour of it. "Disgruntled Ex-Player 'blasts' Sligo after defeat" is probably how a tabloid would play it, and I think that's what TSG is looking for. Tabloid TV.

I don't have a problem with someone using insight into a situation, which is why it's interesting to hear O'Rourke talk about Meath, etc etc, but I don't think what we saw on Sunday was that, I think it was someone with a major gripe, albeit legitimate, feeling vindicated and using the Sunday Game as a platform.

Just to say, I do think O'Hara was very composed and measured, it wasn't a rant by any means.

Just on COM, during the live show, what was the dig at JB for regarding the summer house? Came pretty much out of the blue and seemed a little uncalled for, felt like he had it stored up and was dying to get it into the conversation at some point.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: magpie seanie on May 28, 2013, 10:07:51 AM
What does O'Hara do for a living? Is he a contractor who was working on the centre of excellence?

That's almost what the last line there seems to suggest. If so hell of a dig at him. If not then I'm obviously reading too much into it!


He is a rep for a healthcare company as far as I know. That line does read funny alright but if you knew the gentleman in question you'd understand!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: muppet on May 28, 2013, 10:17:49 AM
What does O'Hara do for a living? Is he a contractor who was working on the centre of excellence?

That's almost what the last line there seems to suggest. If so hell of a dig at him. If not then I'm obviously reading too much into it!


He is a rep for a healthcare company as far as I know. That line does read funny alright but if you knew the gentleman in question you'd understand!

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"And as for the failure to finish the centre of excellence that Eamonn referred to, we will not ask him back to finish the job until we have finance in place to pay the contractor."

It does read like that alright. Well spotted!
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: johnneycool on May 28, 2013, 10:25:26 AM
I understand what ye are saying lads, and I suppose it comes down to what do you expect an analyst, a paid, professional, analyst to bring to the party. Using his subjective view to slate someone from that pedastal is always distasteful in my opinion, and I feel the same about Brolly's character assassination of Grimley last week.

I think RTE are trying to make the Sunday Game 'edgy' for the past few years and this is just another flavour of it. "Disgruntled Ex-Player 'blasts' Sligo after defeat" is probably how a tabloid would play it, and I think that's what TSG is looking for. Tabloid TV.

I don't have a problem with someone using insight into a situation, which is why it's interesting to hear O'Rourke talk about Meath, etc etc, but I don't think what we saw on Sunday was that, I think it was someone with a major gripe, albeit legitimate, feeling vindicated and using the Sunday Game as a platform.

Just to say, I do think O'Hara was very composed and measured, it wasn't a rant by any means.

Just on COM, during the live show, what was the dig at JB for regarding the summer house? Came pretty much out of the blue and seemed a little uncalled for, felt like he had it stored up and was dying to get it into the conversation at some point.

I thought I heard O'Rourke going on about a summer house with a pool inside and outside over the noise of the youngsters fighting over lego.

Was he suggesting Brolly's fawning over Donegal was that he spends a bit of time there??
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: muppet on May 28, 2013, 10:28:08 AM
On this particular issue: "And as for the failure to finish the centre of excellence that Eamonn referred to, we will not ask him back to finish the job until we have finance in place to pay the contractor."

They obviously went ahead and partially built this facility without having the finance in place to complete the job. What is the story there?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: magpie seanie on May 28, 2013, 11:19:30 AM
On this particular issue: "And as for the failure to finish the centre of excellence that Eamonn referred to, we will not ask him back to finish the job until we have finance in place to pay the contractor."

They obviously went ahead and partially built this facility without having the finance in place to complete the job. What is the story there?


There's nothing obvious about it to be honest. It's a long story and very much caught in the crossfire of the split. Instead of unifying and focussing on this - the most important venture in Sligo GAA history in my view - there has been massive infighting. The guys who were heading up this project are no longer involved. Finance is an issue, not just for this project but for the county board in day to day terms. I understand it's significant but not insurmountable but unity and a common purpose is required and it's very hard to see it happening. Morale among clubs and grassroots members is at an all time low in my (albeit limited) experience.

In the GAA there are plenty of people you don't like or don't like you but I always think you have to work together as best you can. It's like playing football - if that asshole team mate scores a goal off your pass the team wins. Unfortunately, in Sligo GAA enough people don't seem to see it that way.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: imtommygunn on May 28, 2013, 11:43:11 AM
To an extent that's a human nature thing though Seanie. Some of the people who go on these boards are power hungry and don't like sharing it. That's not exclusive to Sligo however the thing that is required on these boards is that you get people who like you say can work together and will put their egos aside for the sake of the progress of what they are there for. Too many people of that ilk will not work and never does. It sounds like you have too many people of that ilk.

In Antrim there were a vast number of non too progressive guys for a lot of years. It's much better than it was but still a bit to go.

What about county convention etc? Can these guys not be voted out?
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: ross matt on May 28, 2013, 11:52:56 AM
O'Hara kicked a man when he's down. And he had the benefit of the national media to do so. How was last year "papering over the cracks" ? They beat Galway (yes I know they're poor at the moment but they're still Galway) and they ran a powerful ultimately AI runner up Mayo side to a narrow margin in the Connacht final.

O'Hara was one of my favourite players and has the makings of a decent analysist (and I agree its time to pension of Spillane) but I was disappointed with Eamon's comments Sunday night. He was working off his own personal agenda. At 37 he was well past his best and he knows it.

Familarity breeds contempt and Kevin Walsh has probably taken Sligo as far as he can. But he was a double AI winner and a 3 times allstar as a player. He is a manager who's reign with Sligo was impressive. He went down against a London side who have been threatening to do this for a number of years whilst (thanks to immigration for here) they've been getting stronger. He obviously gambled and got it wrong.

He deserves to leave on his own terms. Not to be publicly humiliated on tv by a former great who could hardly conceal his smugness at his former playing colleague's downfall. Eamon should have had more class of the field similar to when he was on it. Des Cahill didnt set him up with the question. It was all well rehearsed and both of them knew exactly what they were doing.
I couldnt disagree more, you havent a clue. I never liked your posts on here but this is the greatest load of rubbish youve ever spouted. Its a pity ye didn't hire walsh and then you might see it differently. but as usual your misinformed and you dont want to hear the truth.

I think if the national reaction to O Hara is anything to go by, Irish people dont like the truth and that is why we get rubbish politicians who spout lies. if O hara had held back and lied he wouldnt be popular in Sligo but he would be with outsiders, so he took the fall nationally for us, i guess he doesnt care what ejits like you or the likes of midlouth etc...think because yere nt from sligo, he only cares what we think and hes got a hugely positive reaction from sligo people and surely you must think wait a sec, why are sligo people so proud and heartened by oharas comments?

As mature and rational as ever Sligonian.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: mylestheslasher on May 28, 2013, 12:14:02 PM
I understand what ye are saying lads, and I suppose it comes down to what do you expect an analyst, a paid, professional, analyst to bring to the party. Using his subjective view to slate someone from that pedastal is always distasteful in my opinion, and I feel the same about Brolly's character assassination of Grimley last week.

I think RTE are trying to make the Sunday Game 'edgy' for the past few years and this is just another flavour of it. "Disgruntled Ex-Player 'blasts' Sligo after defeat" is probably how a tabloid would play it, and I think that's what TSG is looking for. Tabloid TV.

I don't have a problem with someone using insight into a situation, which is why it's interesting to hear O'Rourke talk about Meath, etc etc, but I don't think what we saw on Sunday was that, I think it was someone with a major gripe, albeit legitimate, feeling vindicated and using the Sunday Game as a platform.

Just to say, I do think O'Hara was very composed and measured, it wasn't a rant by any means.

Just on COM, during the live show, what was the dig at JB for regarding the summer house? Came pretty much out of the blue and seemed a little uncalled for, felt like he had it stored up and was dying to get it into the conversation at some point.

I thought I heard O'Rourke going on about a summer house with a pool inside and outside over the noise of the youngsters fighting over lego.

Was he suggesting Brolly's fawning over Donegal was that he spends a bit of time there??

That conversation was a good and well deserved "score" for O Rourke. Brolly was wittering on about how Donegal last year could afford to foul around the 45 meter line with impunity and how they would now have to rethink given the scoring range that the Tyrone keeper has. O Rourke cut in and said it was curious how Joe was now talking about Donegals cynical fouling when before last years all ireland he came out and made reference to Mayo being a cynical team and no mention of Donegal. He then said maybe its because Joe is building a big house in Donegal and is their cheerleader. It was a point well made in my opinion. Then Joe knows rightly its all about publicity and no one is quite like the Mayo's to take the bait.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: muppet on May 28, 2013, 12:18:41 PM
It is pathetic that after two great victories for Cavan and London in the last two weekends, look what TSG has reduced the conversation to.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Declan on May 28, 2013, 12:25:22 PM
In general I think any of the "analysts" shouldn't be involved in covering their own counties games. It''s an amateur sport and they are less likely to be impartial and give an honest opinion with out being accused of bias etc.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: theticklemister on May 28, 2013, 12:28:05 PM
In general I think any of the "analysts" shouldn't be involved in covering their own counties games. It''s an amateur sport and they are less likely to be impartial and give an honest opinion with out being accused of bias etc.

Think Joe will go easy on Derry next week or his home village mucker big McGilligan might take a trip to Belfast.............

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Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: Bord na Mona man on May 28, 2013, 12:37:28 PM
I understand what ye are saying lads, and I suppose it comes down to what do you expect an analyst, a paid, professional, analyst to bring to the party. Using his subjective view to slate someone from that pedastal is always distasteful in my opinion, and I feel the same about Brolly's character assassination of Grimley last week.

I think RTE are trying to make the Sunday Game 'edgy' for the past few years and this is just another flavour of it. "Disgruntled Ex-Player 'blasts' Sligo after defeat" is probably how a tabloid would play it, and I think that's what TSG is looking for. Tabloid TV.

I don't have a problem with someone using insight into a situation, which is why it's interesting to hear O'Rourke talk about Meath, etc etc, but I don't think what we saw on Sunday was that, I think it was someone with a major gripe, albeit legitimate, feeling vindicated and using the Sunday Game as a platform.

Just to say, I do think O'Hara was very composed and measured, it wasn't a rant by any means.

Just on COM, during the live show, what was the dig at JB for regarding the summer house? Came pretty much out of the blue and seemed a little uncalled for, felt like he had it stored up and was dying to get it into the conversation at some point.

I thought I heard O'Rourke going on about a summer house with a pool inside and outside over the noise of the youngsters fighting over lego.

Was he suggesting Brolly's fawning over Donegal was that he spends a bit of time there??
That was the gist of it.
Michael Lyster did his usual 'careful now' act and stopped them before it got interesting.
Title: Re: The Sunday Game
Post by: NAG1 on May 28, 2013, 12:39:04 PM