Murder of Aisling Murphy

[burdizzo]

Due to the Slovaks & Romas being from EU countries they are home free when it comes to benefits, north and south

North? Left the EU, no?

[Deerstalker]

Due to the Slovaks & Romas being from EU countries they are home free when it comes to benefits, north and south

North? Left the EU, no?

Yeah but it took a long time to actually leave, they have been arriving in their droves in the intervening years

[armaghniac]

Due to the Slovaks & Romas being from EU countries they are home free when it comes to benefits, north and south

Yes but freedom of movement is for the purposes of work, not quite a question of showing up and signing on.

[Milltown Row2]

Due to the Slovaks & Romas being from EU countries they are home free when it comes to benefits, north and south

Yes but freedom of movement is for the purposes of work, not quite a question of showing up and signing on.

If a local is on the dole, they are on Jobseekers, they must be looking/seeking for a job, they are or should be accountable to do that, it's up to that department to enforce that, and follow the procedures if they are not compliant.

The system needs to change, stop generalising on claimants, I'd say the ratio between 'natives' and foreigners/immigrants/illegals is massive on claiming benefits

[Gold]

Does a Barrister have to wait for a Solicitor to approach them?

Yes. Client/defendant contacts a Solicitor (you can't as a defendant phone a Barrister directly).

Solicitor then 'briefs' a barrister to conduct the case in Court. In the Crown (in the North) or Circuit Court (in the South) only a Barrister runs the case in Court (has Rights of Audience/is permitted to speak)

Solicitor has to deal with the thousands of phone calls and torturing from whingy, self pitying, remorseless clients who on the whole don't give a flying fu k about what they did, who they hurt, etc etc. That's the nature of drug addiction, mental health, psychosis,  sociopaths etc. Lawyers represent them and advise them of the evidence in a case. Its up to the punter whether to take that advice or not.

I'm sure this Roma wouldve been advised he was fucked (had no prospect of being acquitted) and should plead (as he would have got a lesser tariff). But clients often ignore legal advice. In that case a Defence Team will have to 'test' the evidence and see if there's reasonable doubt. In this case though they'd know their client was being convicted all day long. Despite that theyve a duty to do their best in a caae to discharge their duty to their client.

Same legal aid fee win or lose too

[Rossfan]

Due to the Slovaks & Romas being from EU countries they are home free when it comes to benefits, north and south

North? Left the EU, no?

Yeah but it took a long time to actually leave, they have been arriving in their droves in the intervening years

"Droves" (far right speak😉)
As far as I know there are very few Slovaks here in the 26.

Edit - 10,800 Slovaks,  16,000 "identified as Roma".

[burdizzo]

Due to the Slovaks & Romas being from EU countries they are home free when it comes to benefits, north and south

North? Left the EU, no?

Yeah but it took a long time to actually leave, they have been arriving in their droves in the intervening years

"Droves" (far right speak😉)
As far as I know there are very few Slovaks here.

What you call 'far right speak', most of the time is just common sense talk.

[Bord na Mona man]

I'm sure this Roma wouldve been advised he was fucked (had no prospect of being acquitted) and should plead (as he would have got a lesser tariff).

In a murder, there is no lesser tariff for pleading guilty. So basically, you might as well take a shot to nothing with the state's money backing you.
That's why Puska decided to play silly buggers and invent the story about him fighting the real killer.
If he had managed to get just one gullible juror to swallow it, then the murder charge doesn't stick.

[Look-Up!]

Capital punishment/State murder would certainly have saved the Brits a fortune on those Birmingham 6, Guildford 4, Judith Ward etc.....

Unfair trials and in that scenario I would certainly be in favour of severely strict punishments for corrupt police who manufacture evidence or testimony.

But you could just as easily list off countless cases where if punishment had been properly administered, no further innocent victims would have suffered or lost their lives because of the kid glove treatment some serious offenders/reoffenders have received.

You don't agree with capital punishment, fine, that's you right, but doesn't mean others are wrong or morally inferior.

You're putting up a lot of straw men there.

Oh the irony

[Armagh18]

I'm sure this Roma wouldve been advised he was fucked (had no prospect of being acquitted) and should plead (as he would have got a lesser tariff).

In a murder, there is no lesser tariff for pleading guilty. So basically, you might as well take a shot to nothing with the state's money backing you.
That's why Puska decided to play silly buggers and invent the story about him fighting the real killer.
If he had managed to get just one gullible juror to swallow it, then the murder charge doesn't stick.

Didn't know that. Worth chancing your arm then if you're him

[Deerstalker]

I'm sure this Roma wouldve been advised he was fucked (had no prospect of being acquitted) and should plead (as he would have got a lesser tariff).

In a murder, there is no lesser tariff for pleading guilty. So basically, you might as well take a shot to nothing with the state's money backing you.
That's why Puska decided to play silly buggers and invent the story about him fighting the real killer.
If he had managed to get just one gullible juror to swallow it, then the murder charge doesn't stick.

Didn't know that. Worth chancing your arm then if you're him

Or when you have already confessed and the evidence is overwhelming, you could plead guilty to prevent the family having to sit through the ordeal of a trial.

[imtommygunn]

If you're a person capable of doing this kind of thing I doubt the feelings of the family would cross your mind particularly much.

[Deerstalker]

If you're a person capable of doing this kind of thing I doubt the feelings of the family would cross your mind particularly much.

It does happen though, some people do show remorse. I take your point though

Think the judge in the UK can reduce the minimum life term due to a guilty plea ? Though no reduction applies if a whole life order is determined.

[Saffrongael]

Did I read that right that a life sentence in the south you are eligible to apply for parole after 12 years, and every two years after that ?

Must be one the more lenient sentencing regimes? And yes I understand that you still may not be released after 12 years. 

[toby47]

Jeez this is a tough read. Just brutal on him & the family.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/i-sit-at-the-shrine-i-made-for-her-in-my-room-before-going-to-bed-each-night-ashling-murphys-boyfriends-emotional-court-statement-in-full/a138727652.html