Ulster Club SFC 2019

[cornerback]

To suggest Slaughtneil were strolling through Derry is just nonsense. They won because they were the best team but some of their Derry championship games were tougher than some of the Ulster club games.

Awk oakleaf wise up they strolled through it, yes it was because they were an exceptional team but they still walked through it

But in 2014 Slaughtneil won their first Derry title in 10 years and went on to win Ulster... how does this fit the narrative that you need to be regularly competing in Ulster to win it??

It certainly helps. The fact is Slaughtneil were coming back again and again after that, they pipped an Omagh side in the final who had just won their first Tyrone title in 26 years.

But the Derry championship is litter with one-off (or first-time) winners going on to in Ulster in the same season; why not Tyrone... maybe because they aren't good enough!!??

Bellaghy 1994
Dungiven 1997
Ballinderry 2001
Loup 2003

[Angelo]

Tyrone clubs in Ulster in recent years.

2018 - Coalisland - lost to Cross by 2 pts
2017 - Omagh - lost to Slaughtneil by 2 pts (Eventual winners)
2016 - Killyclogher - beat Cargin by 5, lost to Slaughtneil by 6 (Eventual winners)
2015 - Trillick - beat Naomh Conaill by 1, lost to Scotstown by 2 (Runners up to Cross in extra time)
2014 - Omagh - beat Crossmaglen by 2, beat St Eunans by 3, lost to Slaughtneil by 1 (Eventual winners)
2013 - Clonoe - Lost to Ballinderry by 4 (Eventual winners)
2012 - Errigal - beat Ballindery by 1, lost to Cross by 6 (Eventual winners)
2011 - Dromore - Lost to Ballinderry by 2
2010 - Coalisland - Beat Roslea by 3, lost to Naomh Conaill by 1

I don't think that is too bad a record on the whole considering only 4 clubs have won Ulster in that time and Cross and Slaughtneil have shared 7 between them. It would be a different story if the same team was cruising through Tyrone every year and consistently falling short.

It's rubbish! To say you're club championship is the best in Ireland and to fail so miserably in an extra 3 games with the best club players is a very poor return, 1968 the competition started

Not really, Ulster club has been more or less dominated by 2 clubs in this decade.

Look at the fate of the Armagh champions when it's not Cross representing them. Maghery were whacked by Kilcoo when they came through Armagh and Armagh Harps lost to Cavan Gaels the other time and that was the first time a Cavan side had won a match in Ulster in nearly 10 years!

Scotstown and Kilcoo have consistently failed in Ulster though they have been there or thereabouts.

I'm also referring to the present and recent past. Many things change in 50 years. Some winners no longer exists or have experienced a severe fall from grace.

Armagh Harps were beaten by Derrygonnelly Harps, whom then were beaten by Cavan Gaels.

Either way, it's not a good look for Armagh club football as Fermanagh clubs have a very, very poor record in this decade.

[t_mac]

Tyrone clubs in Ulster in recent years.

2018 - Coalisland - lost to Cross by 2 pts
2017 - Omagh - lost to Slaughtneil by 2 pts (Eventual winners)
2016 - Killyclogher - beat Cargin by 5, lost to Slaughtneil by 6 (Eventual winners)
2015 - Trillick - beat Naomh Conaill by 1, lost to Scotstown by 2 (Runners up to Cross in extra time)
2014 - Omagh - beat Crossmaglen by 2, beat St Eunans by 3, lost to Slaughtneil by 1 (Eventual winners)
2013 - Clonoe - Lost to Ballinderry by 4 (Eventual winners)
2012 - Errigal - beat Ballindery by 1, lost to Cross by 6 (Eventual winners)
2011 - Dromore - Lost to Ballinderry by 2
2010 - Coalisland - Beat Roslea by 3, lost to Naomh Conaill by 1

I don't think that is too bad a record on the whole considering only 4 clubs have won Ulster in that time and Cross and Slaughtneil have shared 7 between them. It would be a different story if the same team was cruising through Tyrone every year and consistently falling short.

It's rubbish! To say you're club championship is the best in Ireland and to fail so miserably in an extra 3 games with the best club players is a very poor return, 1968 the competition started

Not really, Ulster club has been more or less dominated by 2 clubs in this decade.

Look at the fate of the Armagh champions when it's not Cross representing them. Maghery were whacked by Kilcoo when they came through Armagh and Armagh Harps lost to Cavan Gaels the other time and that was the first time a Cavan side had won a match in Ulster in nearly 10 years!

Scotstown and Kilcoo have consistently failed in Ulster though they have been there or thereabouts.

I'm also referring to the present and recent past. Many things change in 50 years. Some winners no longer exists or have experienced a severe fall from grace.

Armagh Harps were beaten by Derrygonnelly Harps, whom then were beaten by Cavan Gaels.

Either way, it's not a good look for Armagh club football as Fermanagh clubs have a very, very poor record in this decade.

Yeah either way, truth, facts blah blah, Tyrone greatest club championship in Ulster!!!

[Milltown Row2]

Are we talking about how to win Ulster club games or how difficult it's to win Tyrone championships?

The best teams in Ulster win the Ulster championship, whether you believe it or not Angelo the facts are simple.

Forget about being tired , 2 week period to prepare (like most) county players wrapped up in cotton wool all year getting the best of treatment so very much on their game, a knockout competition so no extra games like some other counties.

You're excuse of teams constantly winning their county championships has been shown up plenty times, we won it in 82 (before anyone had heard of Tyrone football) and we hadn't been winning every year, we got straight to the Ulster final after winning county championship after a lengthy lay off, to be only beaten by another team that hadn't won't a county championship in a while The Loup!

You're arguments are poor

[Angelo]

Are we talking about how to win Ulster club games or how difficult it's to win Tyrone championships?

The best teams in Ulster win the Ulster championship, whether you believe it or not Angelo the facts are simple.

Forget about being tired , 2 week period to prepare (like most) county players wrapped up in cotton wool all year getting the best of treatment so very much on their game, a knockout competition so no extra games like some other counties.

You're excuse of teams constantly winning their county championships has been shown up plenty times, we won it in 82 (before anyone had heard of Tyrone football) and we hadn't been winning every year, we got straight to the Ulster final after winning county championship after a lengthy lay off, to be only beaten by another team that hadn't won't a county championship in a while The Loup!

You're arguments are poor

I'm talking about the strength of club championships. Cross pretty much get an automatic entry every year into the Ulster Club as the competition is so poor in Armagh.

If the Ulster Club was a meritocracy then that would be fine but it's not. Some clubs get a procession to the Ulster Club, other teams have to go through a dog fight to get there. That's just the nature of the competition.

It's similar to the advantage Kerry have enjoyed for years in Munster, they know they will be in the last 8 of the AI every single year without having to get out of second gear. They can tailor their plans for that.

[imtommygunn]

The Derry championship was massively competitive for years and multiple teams won there too. Yes St Galls had it easy enough in antrim for years and cross but sure Slaughtneil would have won ulster two years ago and then Coleraine and now Glen beat them this year who didn't even go on to win it. I doubt Slaughtneil have dropped standardsl that much. It wasn't like Slaughtneil were preparing for Ulster and then they had the hurling too. Scotstown have had big challenges from Clontibret when they were good too.

You could argue what you say for Kilcoo having a pass but they haven't been able to win it and neither have Cavan Gaels who were dominant for years in Cavan so that doesn't stack up either. Basically what you say doesn't stack up. At all.

Cross have had great sides. They dominated Armagh but also Ulster and at all ireland stage. They didn't get a pass to the all irelands when they were playing in ulster.

I am not even sure what your point is any more lol. What is your point? Tyrone sides are as good as anywhere but they don't compete because their championship is too competitive - is that your point?

[Angelo]

The Derry championship was massively competitive for years and multiple teams won there too. Yes St Galls had it easy enough in antrim for years and cross but sure Slaughtneil would have won ulster two years ago and then Coleraine and now Glen beat them this year who didn't even go on to win it. I doubt Slaughtneil have dropped standardsl that much. It wasn't like Slaughtneil were preparing for Ulster and then they had the hurling too. Scotstown have had big challenges from Clontibret when they were good too.

You could argue what you say for Kilcoo having a pass but they haven't been able to win it and neither have Cavan Gaels who were dominant for years in Cavan so that doesn't stack up either. Basically what you say doesn't stack up. At all.

Cross have had great sides. They dominated Armagh but also Ulster and at all ireland stage. They didn't get a pass to the all irelands when they were playing in ulster.

I am not even sure what your point is any more lol. What is your point? Tyrone sides are as good as anywhere but they don't compete because their championship is too competitive - is that your point?

Slaughtneil put 4 in a row together, they seem to have collapsed since Mickey Moran departed. They also would have a number of key players reaching their conclusion like Patsy Bradley and McEldowney and that kind of so close but yet so far can diminish the resolve of a team.

Cross may not have got a pass in Ulster but they certainly got one in Armagh.

[brokencrossbar1]

The Derry championship was massively competitive for years and multiple teams won there too. Yes St Galls had it easy enough in antrim for years and cross but sure Slaughtneil would have won ulster two years ago and then Coleraine and now Glen beat them this year who didn't even go on to win it. I doubt Slaughtneil have dropped standardsl that much. It wasn't like Slaughtneil were preparing for Ulster and then they had the hurling too. Scotstown have had big challenges from Clontibret when they were good too.

You could argue what you say for Kilcoo having a pass but they haven't been able to win it and neither have Cavan Gaels who were dominant for years in Cavan so that doesn't stack up either. Basically what you say doesn't stack up. At all.

Cross have had great sides. They dominated Armagh but also Ulster and at all ireland stage. They didn't get a pass to the all irelands when they were playing in ulster.

I am not even sure what your point is any more lol. What is your point? Tyrone sides are as good as anywhere but they don't compete because their championship is too competitive - is that your point?

Slaughtneil put 4 in a row together, they seem to have collapsed since Mickey Moran departed. They also would have a number of key players reaching their conclusion like Patsy Bradley and McEldowney and that kind of so close but yet so far can diminish the resolve of a team.

Cross may not have got a pass in Ulster but they certainly got one in Armagh.

Just so you know before we won our first Ulster in 1996 we hadn't won a county championship in 10 years.  We struggled big time to get out of Armagh for a good few years.  I know this is pre-2003 so doesn't really count. 

Also the argument of only getting county players after the county exits doesn't really hold much weight either.  We won 4 Ulsters and 3 AIs at a time when Armagh were at their peak.  At that time too the National League was split between pre and post Christmas fixtures so we had lads playing for the club in the Ulster and sometimes for the County in National League games.  To be honest we only went through a real dominance in Armagh after we lost in 2009 to Pearse Ogs.  The Tyrone senior club scene really isn't the strongest at all.

[Main Street]

Hogan's Choice -  all GAA discussions, no matter the topic, inevitability end up 'whatabout Tyrone'.

[marty34]

To suggest Slaughtneil were strolling through Derry is just nonsense. They won because they were the best team but some of their Derry championship games were tougher than some of the Ulster club games.

Awk oakleaf wise up they strolled through it, yes it was because they were an exceptional team but they still walked through it

But in 2014 Slaughtneil won their first Derry title in 10 years and went on to win Ulster... how does this fit the narrative that you need to be regularly competing in Ulster to win it??

It certainly helps. The fact is Slaughtneil were coming back again and again after that, they pipped an Omagh side in the final who had just won their first Tyrone title in 26 years.

But the Derry championship is litter with one-off (or first-time) winners going on to in Ulster in the same season; why not Tyrone... maybe because they aren't good enough!!??

Bellaghy 1994
Dungiven 1997
Ballinderry 2001
Loup 2003

This person's a waffler - facts state that Tyrone senior club winners can't compete too well in Ulster - fact.  They're not good enough.

In the same way the Cavan championship is competitive but when in Ulster, they are poor enough.

No disrespect to Tyrone or Cavan.

Just look at the Roll of Honour.  Cross have been brill - 3 or 4 different teams, in transition, in a relatively uncompetitive Armagh championship, but keep producing the goods in Ulster and Ireland.

Why? - because over the years, they've been the best team.

[brokencrossbar1]

To suggest Slaughtneil were strolling through Derry is just nonsense. They won because they were the best team but some of their Derry championship games were tougher than some of the Ulster club games.

Awk oakleaf wise up they strolled through it, yes it was because they were an exceptional team but they still walked through it

But in 2014 Slaughtneil won their first Derry title in 10 years and went on to win Ulster... how does this fit the narrative that you need to be regularly competing in Ulster to win it??

It certainly helps. The fact is Slaughtneil were coming back again and again after that, they pipped an Omagh side in the final who had just won their first Tyrone title in 26 years.

But the Derry championship is litter with one-off (or first-time) winners going on to in Ulster in the same season; why not Tyrone... maybe because they aren't good enough!!??

Bellaghy 1994
Dungiven 1997
Ballinderry 2001
Loup 2003

This person's a waffler - facts state that Tyrone senior club winners can't compete too well in Ulster - fact.  They're not good enough.

In the same way the Cavan championship is competitive but when in Ulster, they are poor enough.

No disrespect to Tyrone or Cavan.

Just look at the Roll of Honour.  Cross have been brill - 3 or 4 different teams, in transition, in a relatively uncompetitive Armagh championship, but keep producing the goods in Ulster and Ireland.

Why? - because over the years, they've been the best team.

Your just completely incorrect fella.

Titles are all that counts.  Losing in a semi final by a point is like nearly getting your hole.....pointless!

[Ethan Tremblay]

Serious superiority complex in action here.  Cross might win the majority of Armagh championships, but you can bet they don't look to winning ulster without looking past Armagh. 

Last weekend's county final Ballymacnab were 4points up early in the second half, Cross brought this back to 2.  Ballymacnab then scored a goal to leave them 5 up 10mins into the second half.  Cross in turn dominated the game and Ballymacnab soiled themselves, but up until that point the game was there for them, no easy ride for Cross. 

Angelo has provided Tyrone clubs performance in ulster and cumulatively they have only won 6 matches across 7 different teams in 9 years.  So that is a reflection on Tyrone Club teams against other county champions. 

You are arguing your opinions against facts here. 

[imtommygunn]

It's like none of the evidence counts lol.

[t_mac]

Are we talking about how to win Ulster club games or how difficult it's to win Tyrone championships?

The best teams in Ulster win the Ulster championship, whether you believe it or not Angelo the facts are simple.

Forget about being tired , 2 week period to prepare (like most) county players wrapped up in cotton wool all year getting the best of treatment so very much on their game, a knockout competition so no extra games like some other counties.

You're excuse of teams constantly winning their county championships has been shown up plenty times, we won it in 82 (before anyone had heard of Tyrone football) and we hadn't been winning every year, we got straight to the Ulster final after winning county championship after a lengthy lay off, to be only beaten by another team that hadn't won't a county championship in a while The Loup!

You're arguments are poor

I'm talking about the strength of club championships. Cross pretty much get an automatic entry every year into the Ulster Club as the competition is so poor in Armagh.

If the Ulster Club was a meritocracy then that would be fine but it's not. Some clubs get a procession to the Ulster Club, other teams have to go through a dog fight to get there. That's just the nature of the competition.

It's similar to the advantage Kerry have enjoyed for years in Munster, they know they will be in the last 8 of the AI every single year without having to get out of second gear. They can tailor their plans for that.

Or maybe Cross are that good, I'd say they would rattle Tyrone most years their pedigree in Ulster and All-Ireland proves that, they don't come out of Armagh and fall at the first hurdle in Ulster.

[t_mac]

To suggest Slaughtneil were strolling through Derry is just nonsense. They won because they were the best team but some of their Derry championship games were tougher than some of the Ulster club games.

Awk oakleaf wise up they strolled through it, yes it was because they were an exceptional team but they still walked through it

But in 2014 Slaughtneil won their first Derry title in 10 years and went on to win Ulster... how does this fit the narrative that you need to be regularly competing in Ulster to win it??

It certainly helps. The fact is Slaughtneil were coming back again and again after that, they pipped an Omagh side in the final who had just won their first Tyrone title in 26 years.

But the Derry championship is litter with one-off (or first-time) winners going on to in Ulster in the same season; why not Tyrone... maybe because they aren't good enough!!??

Bellaghy 1994
Dungiven 1997
Ballinderry 2001
Loup 2003

This person's a waffler - facts state that Tyrone senior club winners can't compete too well in Ulster - fact.  They're not good enough.

In the same way the Cavan championship is competitive but when in Ulster, they are poor enough.

No disrespect to Tyrone or Cavan.

Just look at the Roll of Honour.  Cross have been brill - 3 or 4 different teams, in transition, in a relatively uncompetitive Armagh championship, but keep producing the goods in Ulster and Ireland.

Why? - because over the years, they've been the best team.

Your just completely incorrect fella.

Oh that's right the best is some team in Tyrone who can't get out of Tyrone, are you reading the crap you post.