Ulster Club SFC 2019

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Milltown Row2

Oh that was a lovely few minutes reading! Arguing that because they've the best county championship they then can't win Ulster because the club can't get a run at it, as the same team can't retain their club championship?

Either you're good enough to win another 3/4 games or you're not! Worst record in Ulster club. That's the basics of it
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Hoof Hearted

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 23, 2019, 09:13:02 PM
Oh that was a lovely few minutes reading! Arguing that because they've the best county championship they then can't win Ulster because the club can't get a run at it, as the same team can't retain their club championship?

Either you're good enough to win another 3/4 games or you're not! Worst record in Ulster club. That's the basics of it

I agree it was fun reading
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imtommygunn

Quote from: under the bar on October 23, 2019, 08:34:46 PM
Tyrone and Donegal have wiped their asses with every other Ulster team they've met in the past decade and they probably both have the most competitive club championships in Ulster.

Decade... Monaghan may debate that.

Angelo

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 23, 2019, 09:13:02 PM
Oh that was a lovely few minutes reading! Arguing that because they've the best county championship they then can't win Ulster because the club can't get a run at it, as the same team can't retain their club championship?

Either you're good enough to win another 3/4 games or you're not! Worst record in Ulster club. That's the basics of it

You're talking about individual clubs. It's like saying Leinster football or Munster football are the strongest footballing provinces because of Dublin and Kerry when the reality is that Ulster is the strongest and Connacht is probably next up.

The likes of Cross, Slaughtneil, Scotstown and Kilcoo have made fairly handy work of their county championships in recent years, they have been able to reserve their energy and have their focus set on Ulster, they have been able to build up experience of the Ulster club championship along the way. That certainly gives them a big advantage.
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Milltown Row2

Quote from: Angelo on October 23, 2019, 11:01:32 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 23, 2019, 09:13:02 PM
Oh that was a lovely few minutes reading! Arguing that because they've the best county championship they then can't win Ulster because the club can't get a run at it, as the same team can't retain their club championship?

Either you're good enough to win another 3/4 games or you're not! Worst record in Ulster club. That's the basics of it

You're talking about individual clubs. It's like saying Leinster football or Munster football are the strongest footballing provinces because of Dublin and Kerry when the reality is that Ulster is the strongest and Connacht is probably next up.

The likes of Cross, Slaughtneil, Scotstown and Kilcoo have made fairly handy work of their county championships in recent years, they have been able to reserve their energy and have their focus set on Ulster, they have been able to build up experience of the Ulster club championship along the way. That certainly gives them a big advantage.

Trilick, judging by their championship results, had one close game, one point win over Coalisland being their toughest game. Any extra time or replay's? And based on your assessment (which is laughable) Derrygonelly are odds on favourites to beat any Tyrone team due to the fact they've won 5 in a row and having greater experience in Ulster!?
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

Angelo

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 23, 2019, 11:14:09 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 23, 2019, 11:01:32 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 23, 2019, 09:13:02 PM
Oh that was a lovely few minutes reading! Arguing that because they've the best county championship they then can't win Ulster because the club can't get a run at it, as the same team can't retain their club championship?

Either you're good enough to win another 3/4 games or you're not! Worst record in Ulster club. That's the basics of it

You're talking about individual clubs. It's like saying Leinster football or Munster football are the strongest footballing provinces because of Dublin and Kerry when the reality is that Ulster is the strongest and Connacht is probably next up.

The likes of Cross, Slaughtneil, Scotstown and Kilcoo have made fairly handy work of their county championships in recent years, they have been able to reserve their energy and have their focus set on Ulster, they have been able to build up experience of the Ulster club championship along the way. That certainly gives them a big advantage.

Trilick, judging by their championship results, had one close game, one point win over Coalisland being their toughest game. Any extra time or replay's? And based on your assessment (which is laughable) Derrygonelly are odds on favourites to beat any Tyrone team due to the fact they've won 5 in a row and having greater experience in Ulster!?

I didn't say that.

I said Derrygonelly are much more experienced than Trillick at this level and that is certainly one advantage they will have over them.

Trillick also had a very tough game against Clonoe and an injury time goal put a bit of gloss on what was a very close quarter final.
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Walter Cronc

I certainly wouldn't underestimate Derrygonnelly. From chatting to Slaughtneil people I think they met twice in Ulster and proved very tricky both times.

Milltown Row2

Quote from: Angelo on October 23, 2019, 11:19:37 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 23, 2019, 11:14:09 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 23, 2019, 11:01:32 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 23, 2019, 09:13:02 PM
Oh that was a lovely few minutes reading! Arguing that because they've the best county championship they then can't win Ulster because the club can't get a run at it, as the same team can't retain their club championship?

Either you're good enough to win another 3/4 games or you're not! Worst record in Ulster club. That's the basics of it

You're talking about individual clubs. It's like saying Leinster football or Munster football are the strongest footballing provinces because of Dublin and Kerry when the reality is that Ulster is the strongest and Connacht is probably next up.

The likes of Cross, Slaughtneil, Scotstown and Kilcoo have made fairly handy work of their county championships in recent years, they have been able to reserve their energy and have their focus set on Ulster, they have been able to build up experience of the Ulster club championship along the way. That certainly gives them a big advantage.

Trilick, judging by their championship results, had one close game, one point win over Coalisland being their toughest game. Any extra time or replay's? And based on your assessment (which is laughable) Derrygonelly are odds on favourites to beat any Tyrone team due to the fact they've won 5 in a row and having greater experience in Ulster!?

I didn't say that.

I said Derrygonelly are much more experienced than Trillick at this level and that is certainly one advantage they will have over them.

Trillick also had a very tough game against Clonoe and an injury time goal put a bit of gloss on what was a very close quarter final.

They played 4 games beat Clonoe 2-11 1-09, very close, even with a late goal ffs! 4 games?

Look what is the point of even entering the Ulster club? If any manager is worth his salt he'll be preparing a team for every eventuality
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

Angelo

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 23, 2019, 11:31:31 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 23, 2019, 11:19:37 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 23, 2019, 11:14:09 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 23, 2019, 11:01:32 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 23, 2019, 09:13:02 PM
Oh that was a lovely few minutes reading! Arguing that because they've the best county championship they then can't win Ulster because the club can't get a run at it, as the same team can't retain their club championship?

Either you're good enough to win another 3/4 games or you're not! Worst record in Ulster club. That's the basics of it

You're talking about individual clubs. It's like saying Leinster football or Munster football are the strongest footballing provinces because of Dublin and Kerry when the reality is that Ulster is the strongest and Connacht is probably next up.

The likes of Cross, Slaughtneil, Scotstown and Kilcoo have made fairly handy work of their county championships in recent years, they have been able to reserve their energy and have their focus set on Ulster, they have been able to build up experience of the Ulster club championship along the way. That certainly gives them a big advantage.

Trilick, judging by their championship results, had one close game, one point win over Coalisland being their toughest game. Any extra time or replay's? And based on your assessment (which is laughable) Derrygonelly are odds on favourites to beat any Tyrone team due to the fact they've won 5 in a row and having greater experience in Ulster!?

I didn't say that.

I said Derrygonelly are much more experienced than Trillick at this level and that is certainly one advantage they will have over them.

Trillick also had a very tough game against Clonoe and an injury time goal put a bit of gloss on what was a very close quarter final.

They played 4 games beat Clonoe 2-11 1-09, very close, even with a late goal ffs! 4 games?

Look what is the point of even entering the Ulster club? If any manager is worth his salt he'll be preparing a team for every eventuality

A goal in the 8th minute of injury time might distort the picture on the Clonoe game which was a very tight affair throughout. They played four knockout games, two were very close, even matches, one was a hammering and the other was fairly comfortable. Trillick beat Clonoe by more than they beat Errigal but it's certainly fair to say Clonoe asked much more questions of them.

The first priority of a manager of a Tyrone club is the county championship, if you start looking beyond that before you have accomplished it then you can forget about Ulster. Tyrone clubs don't have the luxury of soft county titles, Carrickmore are the last club in Tyrone to defend a championship and that's back in 2005.
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Milltown Row2

Quote from: Angelo on October 23, 2019, 11:47:24 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 23, 2019, 11:31:31 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 23, 2019, 11:19:37 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 23, 2019, 11:14:09 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 23, 2019, 11:01:32 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 23, 2019, 09:13:02 PM
Oh that was a lovely few minutes reading! Arguing that because they've the best county championship they then can't win Ulster because the club can't get a run at it, as the same team can't retain their club championship?

Either you're good enough to win another 3/4 games or you're not! Worst record in Ulster club. That's the basics of it

You're talking about individual clubs. It's like saying Leinster football or Munster football are the strongest footballing provinces because of Dublin and Kerry when the reality is that Ulster is the strongest and Connacht is probably next up.

The likes of Cross, Slaughtneil, Scotstown and Kilcoo have made fairly handy work of their county championships in recent years, they have been able to reserve their energy and have their focus set on Ulster, they have been able to build up experience of the Ulster club championship along the way. That certainly gives them a big advantage.

Trilick, judging by their championship results, had one close game, one point win over Coalisland being their toughest game. Any extra time or replay's? And based on your assessment (which is laughable) Derrygonelly are odds on favourites to beat any Tyrone team due to the fact they've won 5 in a row and having greater experience in Ulster!?

I didn't say that.

I said Derrygonelly are much more experienced than Trillick at this level and that is certainly one advantage they will have over them.

Trillick also had a very tough game against Clonoe and an injury time goal put a bit of gloss on what was a very close quarter final.

They played 4 games beat Clonoe 2-11 1-09, very close, even with a late goal ffs! 4 games?

Look what is the point of even entering the Ulster club? If any manager is worth his salt he'll be preparing a team for every eventuality

A goal in the 8th minute of injury time might distort the picture on the Clonoe game which was a very tight affair throughout. They played four knockout games, two were very close, even matches, one was a hammering and the other was fairly comfortable. Trillick beat Clonoe by more than they beat Errigal but it's certainly fair to say Clonoe asked much more questions of them.

The first priority of a manager of a Tyrone club is the county championship, if you start looking beyond that before you have accomplished it then you can forget about Ulster. Tyrone clubs don't have the luxury of soft county titles, Carrickmore are the last club in Tyrone to defend a championship and that's back in 2005.

By you're reasoning the Dublin club championship is more difficult to retain?

So, their record at All Ireland club level would be shit due to the difficulty of winning The Dub championship ?

Ffs my clubs won more Ulster club titles that Tyrone!
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marty34

Quote from: Angelo on October 23, 2019, 11:47:24 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 23, 2019, 11:31:31 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 23, 2019, 11:19:37 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 23, 2019, 11:14:09 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 23, 2019, 11:01:32 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 23, 2019, 09:13:02 PM
Oh that was a lovely few minutes reading! Arguing that because they've the best county championship they then can't win Ulster because the club can't get a run at it, as the same team can't retain their club championship?

Either you're good enough to win another 3/4 games or you're not! Worst record in Ulster club. That's the basics of it

You're talking about individual clubs. It's like saying Leinster football or Munster football are the strongest footballing provinces because of Dublin and Kerry when the reality is that Ulster is the strongest and Connacht is probably next up.

The likes of Cross, Slaughtneil, Scotstown and Kilcoo have made fairly handy work of their county championships in recent years, they have been able to reserve their energy and have their focus set on Ulster, they have been able to build up experience of the Ulster club championship along the way. That certainly gives them a big advantage.

Trilick, judging by their championship results, had one close game, one point win over Coalisland being their toughest game. Any extra time or replay's? And based on your assessment (which is laughable) Derrygonelly are odds on favourites to beat any Tyrone team due to the fact they've won 5 in a row and having greater experience in Ulster!?

I didn't say that.

I said Derrygonelly are much more experienced than Trillick at this level and that is certainly one advantage they will have over them.

Trillick also had a very tough game against Clonoe and an injury time goal put a bit of gloss on what was a very close quarter final.

They played 4 games beat Clonoe 2-11 1-09, very close, even with a late goal ffs! 4 games?

Look what is the point of even entering the Ulster club? If any manager is worth his salt he'll be preparing a team for every eventuality

A goal in the 8th minute of injury time might distort the picture on the Clonoe game which was a very tight affair throughout. They played four knockout games, two were very close, even matches, one was a hammering and the other was fairly comfortable. Trillick beat Clonoe by more than they beat Errigal but it's certainly fair to say Clonoe asked much more questions of them.

The first priority of a manager of a Tyrone club is the county championship, if you start looking beyond that before you have accomplished it then you can forget about Ulster. Tyrone clubs don't have the luxury of soft county titles, Carrickmore are the last club in Tyrone to defend a championship and that's back in 2005.

Pure waffle. There is no such thing as a 'soft county title', regardless of county.

Tyrone clubs really need to start to push on at senior Ulster club level.

I'd say they do alright at intermediate and junior level .  What tbere's record there?

imtommygunn

It's brilliant that because Tyrone have a terrible record in the Ulster Angelo is now spinning it that it's because the Tyrone championship is much stronger   ;D He could take any statistic and skew it Ito his favour lol.

Angelo

Quote from: marty34 on October 24, 2019, 12:21:18 AM
Quote from: Angelo on October 23, 2019, 11:47:24 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 23, 2019, 11:31:31 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 23, 2019, 11:19:37 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 23, 2019, 11:14:09 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 23, 2019, 11:01:32 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 23, 2019, 09:13:02 PM
Oh that was a lovely few minutes reading! Arguing that because they've the best county championship they then can't win Ulster because the club can't get a run at it, as the same team can't retain their club championship?

Either you're good enough to win another 3/4 games or you're not! Worst record in Ulster club. That's the basics of it

You're talking about individual clubs. It's like saying Leinster football or Munster football are the strongest footballing provinces because of Dublin and Kerry when the reality is that Ulster is the strongest and Connacht is probably next up.

The likes of Cross, Slaughtneil, Scotstown and Kilcoo have made fairly handy work of their county championships in recent years, they have been able to reserve their energy and have their focus set on Ulster, they have been able to build up experience of the Ulster club championship along the way. That certainly gives them a big advantage.

Trilick, judging by their championship results, had one close game, one point win over Coalisland being their toughest game. Any extra time or replay's? And based on your assessment (which is laughable) Derrygonelly are odds on favourites to beat any Tyrone team due to the fact they've won 5 in a row and having greater experience in Ulster!?

I didn't say that.

I said Derrygonelly are much more experienced than Trillick at this level and that is certainly one advantage they will have over them.

Trillick also had a very tough game against Clonoe and an injury time goal put a bit of gloss on what was a very close quarter final.

They played 4 games beat Clonoe 2-11 1-09, very close, even with a late goal ffs! 4 games?

Look what is the point of even entering the Ulster club? If any manager is worth his salt he'll be preparing a team for every eventuality

A goal in the 8th minute of injury time might distort the picture on the Clonoe game which was a very tight affair throughout. They played four knockout games, two were very close, even matches, one was a hammering and the other was fairly comfortable. Trillick beat Clonoe by more than they beat Errigal but it's certainly fair to say Clonoe asked much more questions of them.

The first priority of a manager of a Tyrone club is the county championship, if you start looking beyond that before you have accomplished it then you can forget about Ulster. Tyrone clubs don't have the luxury of soft county titles, Carrickmore are the last club in Tyrone to defend a championship and that's back in 2005.

Pure waffle. There is no such thing as a 'soft county title', regardless of county.

Tyrone clubs really need to start to push on at senior Ulster club level.

I'd say they do alright at intermediate and junior level .  What tbere's record there?

There is when the same clubs are coming on year on year without any trouble. If you look at Ulster club winners since 2004, only 5 different clubs have won it - Cross, Galls, Ballinderry, Slaughtneil and Gweedore. The former 4 have all dominated their club scene for a period through that.

You also have the likes of Kilcoo and Scotstown who have been close to Ulster titles in that time who dominated their county scenes.

There isn't a super club in Tyrone but even if there was they would find it very difficult to replicate the dominance big clubs have in counties like Armagh, Derry, Down etc.

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Angelo

Quote from: imtommygunn on October 24, 2019, 08:36:41 AM
It's brilliant that because Tyrone have a terrible record in the Ulster Angelo is now spinning it that it's because the Tyrone championship is much stronger   ;D He could take any statistic and skew it Ito his favour lol.

Tyrone haven't returned the same champion since 2005, this would say something about the strength of it. Compare that to years of Cross, Slaughtneil, Scotstown, Kilcoo hockeying their opponents in county finals.
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Angelo

Quote from: marty34 on October 23, 2019, 04:46:41 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 23, 2019, 04:42:30 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 23, 2019, 03:53:39 PM
Jaysus Tyrone ones have a serious high opinion of their championship. EC are the only team to have ever won Ulster and haven't won it since 2002.  They were lucky to as hell to beat us that year too.  Tyrone may be more competitive but that doesn't make it harder to win.  The reality is that Tyrone teams at senior club level have not bee good enough simple as that.  If Trillick make the push through this year then fair play but to be honest I doubt it.  I'd fancy Kilcoo or Magherfelt to beat them handy should they beat Newtownbutler.

What's Cross record like against Tyrone teams, think Errigal have beaten them twice and Omagh once.

I would imagine a side like Omagh would have won an Ulster club if they were in another county championship a few years back - teams like Cross, Slaughtneil, Kilcoo, Scotstown are back every year and that is more an indication of the lack of competition in their county championship.

Why do you imagine this Angelo?

They'd have got more than one or two cracks at the whip and would have been able to tailor their plans to peak for the Ulster club, they don't have the luxury sides like Cross, Slaughtneil, Scotstown, Kilcoo have generally had/have in their own county championship.
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