The Many Faces of US Politics...

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foxcommander

Every second of the day there's a Democrat telling a lie

thebigfella


stew

Quote from: J70 on January 13, 2018, 05:03:59 PM
Quote from: stew on January 12, 2018, 09:09:16 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 12, 2018, 08:22:04 PM
I would add stew, just how are people supposed to react to his daily lies and provocations?

Let it slide? Ignore him?

He's the f**king president, and he carries on like a deranged, big mouth drunk in the corner of the pub.

I get that you're delighted that he pisses off liberals. One must question why he doesn't piss YOU off however.

He does on a daily basis, every friggin day, that said like you lot I have an agenda and that agenda does not need me piling on this feckin eejit of a prez every day, like you lot I tend to highlight the lefts shit, just as you lot do the right.

Trump is no republican and I have no gra for the man but again I do love it when he f**ks off the liberals at every turn, the more stress he causes the f**kers the better in my opinion.

He pisses you off every day, but you come here reveling in the fact that he pisses us off too, trying to dress it up as some kind of failing on our part and whining (ludicrously) yesterday that "they hate him no president has ever been hated since Lincoln".

All right then. Congrats to you!

I do, I hate with a passion your main causes, Abortion, BLM, I hate Trump bashing, the lack of accountability and corruption in your party, the cop hating, the fact that you added over 60 new ways for a male or a female to desribe themselves, tranny bathrooms, the unbelievable debt the left put the USA in, Benghazi, Clinton, Russia, Fake News, safe spaces, cop killings, frying em like bacon etc, your hollywood heroes molesting and harassing women and again not taking accountability fr any of this, there is more, plenty more but these are reasons I love to see liberals squirm and get stressed when that clampett Trump drops another clanger, and the best, the absolue best part of al of this is...he has always been a Democrat!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Armagh, the one true love of a mans life.

whitey

I actually agree with Stew to an extent......with progressives finding offense at the silliest most ridiculous "slights", I have to chuckle when Trump gives them something to be really offended by.

In another note, I find it suspicious that news of the settlement with the porn star came less than a week after Bannon got canned from Breitbart

J70

Quote from: whitey on January 13, 2018, 06:24:58 PM
I actually agree with Stew to an extent......with progressives finding offense at the silliest most ridiculous "slights", I have to chuckle when Trump gives them something to be really offended by.

In another note, I find it suspicious that news of the settlement with the porn star came less than a week after Bannon got canned from Breitbart

Spare us the sanctimony. The right wing movement is based completely on resentment and a fake persecution complex. Yeah, Ryan and the Koch brothers are most concerned with tax cuts and regulation abolishment, but the movement gains its power from pushing those buttons.

whitey

Eh......I never said they weren't.....I was just responding to a prior poster.

Those on the right are just as easily triggered, just by a different set of (non) issues.

We can't say witch hunt here in Massachusetts anymore , because seemingly it's offensive to witches

J70

Quote from: stew on January 13, 2018, 06:11:22 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 13, 2018, 05:03:59 PM
Quote from: stew on January 12, 2018, 09:09:16 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 12, 2018, 08:22:04 PM
I would add stew, just how are people supposed to react to his daily lies and provocations?

Let it slide? Ignore him?

He's the f**king president, and he carries on like a deranged, big mouth drunk in the corner of the pub.

I get that you're delighted that he pisses off liberals. One must question why he doesn't piss YOU off however.

He does on a daily basis, every friggin day, that said like you lot I have an agenda and that agenda does not need me piling on this feckin eejit of a prez every day, like you lot I tend to highlight the lefts shit, just as you lot do the right.

Trump is no republican and I have no gra for the man but again I do love it when he f**ks off the liberals at every turn, the more stress he causes the f**kers the better in my opinion.

He pisses you off every day, but you come here reveling in the fact that he pisses us off too, trying to dress it up as some kind of failing on our part and whining (ludicrously) yesterday that "they hate him no president has ever been hated since Lincoln".

All right then. Congrats to you!

I do, I hate with a passion your main causes, Abortion, BLM, I hate Trump bashing, the lack of accountability and corruption in your party, the cop hating, the fact that you added over 60 new ways for a male or a female to desribe themselves, tranny bathrooms, the unbelievable debt the left put the USA in, Benghazi, Clinton, Russia, Fake News, safe spaces, cop killings, frying em like bacon etc, your hollywood heroes molesting and harassing women and again not taking accountability fr any of this, there is more, plenty more but these are reasons I love to see liberals squirm and get stressed when that clampett Trump drops another clanger, and the best, the absolue best part of al of this is...he has always been a Democrat!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Repeating your bullshit grievances more than once doesn't add much affect to your litany stew. Neither does including conspiracy theories like Benghazi as you rant about "fake news".

1. Lack of accountability: The DNC chair got the boot. So did Franken and Conyers. Why don't you tell us about GOP accountability? Tell us how they've opposed the goings on at Fox News, their media wing. Tell us how they're holding this charlatan of a president accountable. Tell us how the RNC rowed in behind the adolescent enthusiast Tell us how the GOP leadership held their party and presidential candidates to account for birtherism, for Jade Helm and the like.

2. With respect to LGBT stuff - which is better? Arguable overkill on the part of advocates, or naked bigotry, denial of legitimacy and attempts to legislate legal discrimination as espoused by the right?

3. BLM - we've been over this before, as per usual, but if you are going to define an entire movement by one chant at one march and use that to deny the legitimate concerns of these people with respect to treatment at the hands of police, then that says more about you and your issues than it does about BLM or the Democratic party. Further, according to your logic, demands that police be held to account equates to bigotry against police. A curious attitude from someone who grew up in Armagh when you did. And seriously, only a complete f**king moron would try to claim that liberals and/or the Democratic Party are for "cop killings".

J70

Quote from: whitey on January 13, 2018, 07:01:14 PM
Eh......I never said they weren't.....I was just responding to a prior poster.

Those on the right are just as easily triggered, just by a different set of (non) issues.

We can't say witch hunt here in Massachusetts anymore , because seemingly it's offensive to witches

;D Fair enough.

seafoid

I don't know how any ordinary Joe could vote GOP

Between the late 1990s and 2015, non-college-educated white Americans went from 30 per cent less likely to 30 per cent more likely to die in their fifties than non-college-educated African-Americans. White males account for just under a third of America's population but over two-thirds of its suicides.

More than half of Trump's tax cuts will go to.the ultra rich.

Trump does not give a f**k about ordinary people.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

whitey

Quote from: seafoid on January 13, 2018, 07:22:24 PM
I don't know how any ordinary Joe could vote GOP

Between the late 1990s and 2015, non-college-educated white Americans went from 30 per cent less likely to 30 per cent more likely to die in their fifties than non-college-educated African-Americans. White males account for just under a third of America's population but over two-thirds of its suicides.

More than half of Trump's tax cuts will go to.the ultra rich.

Trump does not give a f**k about ordinary people.

Do you live here?

seafoid

Quote from: whitey on January 13, 2018, 07:27:21 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 13, 2018, 07:22:24 PM
I don't know how any ordinary Joe could vote GOP

Between the late 1990s and 2015, non-college-educated white Americans went from 30 per cent less likely to 30 per cent more likely to die in their fifties than non-college-educated African-Americans. White males account for just under a third of America's population but over two-thirds of its suicides.

More than half of Trump's tax cuts will go to.the ultra rich.

Trump does not give a f**k about ordinary people.

Do you live here?

What difference would it make? Anyone can follow Norm Ornstein or Jeff Flake on twitter.
Jamie Dimon says you should expect a crash once a decade.
Trump's tax cuts mean the US will have a huge deficit for the next one. It wont be able to stimulate the economy to the tune of 10% of GDP like läst time.
401ks will be hammered.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

whitey

Quote from: seafoid on January 13, 2018, 09:00:46 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 13, 2018, 07:27:21 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 13, 2018, 07:22:24 PM
I don't know how any ordinary Joe could vote GOP

Between the late 1990s and 2015, non-college-educated white Americans went from 30 per cent less likely to 30 per cent more likely to die in their fifties than non-college-educated African-Americans. White males account for just under a third of America's population but over two-thirds of its suicides.

More than half of Trump's tax cuts will go to.the ultra rich.

Trump does not give a f**k about ordinary people.

Do you live here?

What difference would it make? Anyone can follow Norm Ornstein or Jeff Flake on twitter.
Jamie Dimon says you should expect a crash once a decade.
Trump's tax cuts mean the US will have a huge deficit for the next one. It wont be able to stimulate the economy to the tune of 10% of GDP like läst time.
401ks will be hammered.

In all seriousness do you live here?

If you lived in a deep blue state thats been run into the ground the Democrats and youll soon understand why "ordinary Joes" vote Republican.   


Remember Bill Clintons off the cuff comment during the election on Obamacare......"its the craziest thing ever. People humping it 60 hours a week, their premiums have doubled and their coverage cut in half".  That has been the reality of Obamacare for many people who already had insurance. Most of my clients are self employed people with families......in many cases their annualy premiums have gone from $15K to close to $30K and they dont have anywhere near the choices when it comes to doctors, hospitals or specialists

Oraisteach

#11592
Whitey, I know your question is directed to seafoid, but I do live in the States, have done so since 1979, both in Ohio and Florida.

I'll concede that Obamacare is seriously flawed, but I also see that an original Republican program has been systematically sabotaged by Republicans from the get-go, from way before the Trump era, dooming it to clunk along more like a creaky jalopy than a well-oiled machine. However, if the GOP had worked to repair and streamline it, then the problems you identify would be near non-existent.

Think of it as if you worked till you were blue in the face tuning your brand-new car into a taxi for everyone, but some of your neighbors, red-faced with jealously,did everything they could to thwart your efforts--loosening bolts, removing spark plugs, spooning sugar into the gas tank--then turned around and wrote a letter to the local newspaper, The Breit Fox, complaining that your taxi service did not work as well as you had promised. Instead, in its place, they had a shiny new taxi, one that they failed to explain would be way too expensive for quite a few in the neighborhood. That's what's going on now.

Whitey, do you believe that everyone should be entitled to healthcare, or are you happy that you have it but millions of others are denied it?  It all boils down to this fundamental existential question.

Much has been written about the GOP's long term plan to scuttle the ACA, and being a resident of the US has no bearing on whether someone can or can not have an informed opinion about it.

Also, I'm interested in the blue states that have been run into the ground, especially since I'm now surrounded by ruby red ones--Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, Louisiana--that would seem to personify the term "run into the ground," ones that rely heavily on government assistance but where the average Joe or Beauregard seems bent on voting against his own healthcare self-interest.

whitey

#11593
Quote from: Oraisteach on January 13, 2018, 11:56:12 PM
Whitey, I know your question is directed to seafoid, but I do live in the States, have done so since 1979, both in Ohio and Florida.

I'll concede that Obamacare is seriously flawed, but I also see that an original Republican program has been systematically sabotaged by Republicans from the get-go, from way before the Trump era, dooming it to clunk along more like a creaky jalopy than a well-oiled machine. However, if the GOP had worked to repair and streamline it, then the problems you identify would be near non-existent.

Think of it as if you worked till you were blue in the face tuning your brand-new car into a taxi for everyone, but some of your neighbors, red-faced with jealously,did everything they could to thwart your efforts--loosening bolts, removing spark plugs, spooning sugar into the gas tank--then turned around and wrote a letter to the local newspaper, The Breit Fox, complaining that your taxi service did not work as well as you had promised. Instead, in its place, they had a shiny new taxi, one that they failed to explain would be way too expensive for quite a few in the neighborhood. That's what's going on now.

Whitey, do you believe that everyone should be entitled to healthcare, or are you happy that you have it but millions of others are denied it?  It all boils down to this fundamental existential question.

Much has been written about the GOP's long term plan to scuttle the ACA, and being a resident of the US has no bearing on whether someone can or can not have an informed opinion about it.

Also, I'm interested in the blue states that have been run into the ground, especially since I'm now surrounded by ruby red ones--Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, Louisiana--that would seem to personify the term "run into the ground," ones that rely heavily on government assistance but where the average Joe or Beauregard seems bent on voting against his own healthcare self-interest.

I shouldn't have muddied the water interjecting healthcare into the debate. The point I was trying to make (ineloquently I might add) by quoting Bill Clinton, is that to someone looking in from Europe Obamacare must be great.  The reality on the ground however is that people who already had insurance have gotten absolutely fvcked.  Instead of their premiums coming down by $2000, their premiums have gone up by $12,000.......his question was how can anyone vote for the GOP.......my answer is if your premiums have gone from $15,000 to $27,000 and you now have to drive an hour to the doctor (instead of 10 minutes) that would probably be enough for a swing voter to switch from Blue to Red.

seafoid

Quote from: whitey on January 13, 2018, 10:00:35 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 13, 2018, 09:00:46 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 13, 2018, 07:27:21 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 13, 2018, 07:22:24 PM
I don't know how any ordinary Joe could vote GOP

Between the late 1990s and 2015, non-college-educated white Americans went from 30 per cent less likely to 30 per cent more likely to die in their fifties than non-college-educated African-Americans. White males account for just under a third of America's population but over two-thirds of its suicides.

More than half of Trump's tax cuts will go to.the ultra rich.

Trump does not give a f**k about ordinary people.

Do you live here?

What difference would it make? Anyone can follow Norm Ornstein or Jeff Flake on twitter.
Jamie Dimon says you should expect a crash once a decade.
Trump's tax cuts mean the US will have a huge deficit for the next one. It wont be able to stimulate the economy to the tune of 10% of GDP like läst time.
401ks will be hammered.

In all seriousness do you live here?

If you lived in a deep blue state thats been run into the ground the Democrats and youll soon understand why "ordinary Joes" vote Republican.   


Remember Bill Clintons off the cuff comment during the election on Obamacare......"its the craziest thing ever. People humping it 60 hours a week, their premiums have doubled and their coverage cut in half".  That has been the reality of Obamacare for many people who already had insurance. Most of my clients are self employed people with families......in many cases their annualy premiums have gone from $15K to close to $30K and they dont have anywhere near the choices when it comes to doctors, hospitals or specialists

The US has several converging crises. One of them is healthcare 
It costs 17% of gdp and is increasing at 4% a year.


Andy Slavitt

@ASlavitt

BREAKING: The first state, KY, is scheduled to announce the requirement that many in Medicaid work or get cut off from care. If this looks anything like it did when I saw it last, it's only winners are poverty and an oppressive state run bureaucracy.

Healthcare is one of the mechanisms by which the 1% is pauperising the US.
The GOP is an enabler. The Dems aren't much better.
The whole things is going to crash.

When life expectancy is falling things are really shitholey.

"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU