Will you vote for Fianna Fail?

[Declan]

Another reason to dislike Joe

Joe sheridan ‏@Squarecut84
Voting out the way @SenThomasByrne no1 perfect candidate for the position and also the most experienced best of luck.

[magpie seanie]

Another reason to dislike Joe

Joe sheridan ‏@Squarecut84
Voting out the way @SenThomasByrne no1 perfect candidate for the position and also the most experienced best of luck.

I knew Thomas one time a few years back. That description of him makes me think Joe has a case of mistaken identity.

[lawnseed]

topping the polls again.. they went out on a huge protest vote and now kenny and co are putting it on a plate

[Maguire01]

topping the polls again.. they went out on a huge protest vote and now kenny and co are putting it on a plate

And yet FF seem to be the only party capable of taking it!

[lawnseed]

topping the polls again.. they went out on a huge protest vote and now kenny and co are putting it on a plate

And yet FF seem to be the only party capable of taking it!

yep but can the irish electorate take it.. bend over paddy

[NetNitrate]

People forget that a large percentage of country, nearly half, are certified Fianna Fáil families. People still say "they are Fianna Fáil" or "that's a Fianna Fáil house" or a Fine Gael Squireen  farmer down the country would term them "shtone mad Fianna Fail". It's naive in the extreme to think that could disappear completely after one poor election. Add to that the fact that media like RTE and Sunday Indo are literally infested with FF propagandists thus bringing the resurrection that bit nearer. History will then be rewritten of the Glory Celtic Tiger years under FF, the austerity brought by Labour and FG, and the triumphant return of the Soldiers of Destiny to lead Oirland to be a nation once again.

[seafoid]

Morgan Kelly, the economist who was ridiculed in 2008 for predicting the collapse in house prices , thought that the depth and intensity of the crisis would destroy the credibility of all the parties. None of them can tell the voters that their policies will bring back the good old days. Deleveraging has a long way to go. I think the Kilkenny footballers have more integrity than Fianna Fail. They are honest about what they can do, they don't care what people think and they know they aren't going to to change anything.

[lynchbhoy]

the conundrum.
vote for useless feckers or in total apathy, dont vote at all - and you cant whinge then.

its turning int the same situation at the north, where you are wasting your time with voting at all - as the two main parties are powerless and a vote for the rest is a spoiled/wasted vote (as they will never get power and are rubbish even if they do).

we dont have any choice here. ff and fg are brutal. imo fg are worse.
while ff brought the country down through their greed and desire to protect their own interests and cronies in the anglo irish bank, they were the conduits in creating and promoting this industry and surge in the country in the first place.
fg are currently showing that they just want to stay still and hope it all goes away (which it will eventually) and the kind of boom th country experienced would obv never have happened under their watch. they are inept.

if our politicians were not as greedy, corrupt or had a bit more integrity to do the right thing on behalf of the people instead of themselves, we would be fine.
I cannot see the current systems govenence that is in place in this country changing this greedy mindset and its every man for himself here to be honest.
the market will rectify itself and over half the population will be fine. the other half will continue to suffer, scrape by and emigrate.

id consider votin for ff again as they may be cnuts, but at least they will agitate change and thus growth.
sitting on your erse wittering off rhetoric like fg wont get us anywhere.
voting for ff is not a palatable choice, but the other parties have no clout and the issue is the here and now.

[NetNitrate]

we dont have any choice here. ff and fg are brutal. imo fg are worse.
while ff brought the country down through their greed and desire to protect their own interests and cronies in the anglo irish bank, they were the conduits in creating and promoting this industry and surge in the country in the first place.

That's very debatable. In fact, it was the Rainbow Gov of FG, Lab and DL that brought in the 12.5% corporate tax (specifically Ruari Quinn, Pat Rabbitte and Richard Bruton) that was a primary driver. The surge that came afterwards led by FF was a false economy driven by an obscene flow of easy credit and an out of control property bubble. We'll be paying back that for a long, long time.

[lynchbhoy]

we dont have any choice here. ff and fg are brutal. imo fg are worse.
while ff brought the country down through their greed and desire to protect their own interests and cronies in the anglo irish bank, they were the conduits in creating and promoting this industry and surge in the country in the first place.

That's very debatable. In fact, it was the Rainbow Gov of FG, Lab and DL that brought in the 12.5% corporate tax (specifically Ruari Quinn, Pat Rabbitte and Richard Bruton) that was a primary driver. The surge that came afterwards led by FF was a false economy driven by an obscene flow of easy credit and an out of control property bubble. We'll be paying back that for a long, long time.

I was more thinking of the IFSC and innovations that the likes of business men like Dermot Desmond kicked off and inspired, with the backing of the then ff govenment.
the low corp tax rate is excellent for this country, but wouldnt have been in play without the structures and innovations that these business men and visionaries in university research began. ff did not creat them, but allowed the grants, finances , planning behind them etc- so dont think I am saying that ff directly created these !
still imo way more than the stiffled fg contribution to modern day business success

[seafoid]

the conundrum.
vote for useless feckers or in total apathy, dont vote at all - and you cant whinge then.

its turning int the same situation at the north, where you are wasting your time with voting at all - as the two main parties are powerless and a vote for the rest is a spoiled/wasted vote (as they will never get power and are rubbish even if they do).

we dont have any choice here. ff and fg are brutal. imo fg are worse.
while ff brought the country down through their greed and desire to protect their own interests and cronies in the anglo irish bank, they were the conduits in creating and promoting this industry and surge in the country in the first place.
fg are currently showing that they just want to stay still and hope it all goes away (which it will eventually) and the kind of boom th country experienced would obv never have happened under their watch. they are inept.

if our politicians were not as greedy, corrupt or had a bit more integrity to do the right thing on behalf of the people instead of themselves, we would be fine.
I cannot see the current systems govenence that is in place in this country changing this greedy mindset and its every man for himself here to be honest.
the market will rectify itself and over half the population will be fine. the other half will continue to suffer, scrape by and emigrate.

id consider votin for ff again as they may be cnuts, but at least they will agitate change and thus growth.
sitting on your erse wittering off rhetoric like fg wont get us anywhere.
voting for ff is not a palatable choice, but the other parties have no clout and the issue is the here and now.

id consider votin for ff again as they may be cnuts, but at least they will agitate change and thus growth.

What leverage would they have? they'll promise the world to nurses and teachers as per usual . Nobody seems to want to
accept what is going on. Is ar scath  a cheile a mairimid. 

[lynchbhoy]

id consider votin for ff again as they may be cnuts, but at least they will agitate change and thus growth.

What leverage would they have? they'll promise the world to nurses and teachers as per usual . Nobody seems to want to
accept what is going on. Is ar scath  a cheile a mairimid.

what growth would we be expecting out of teachers or nurses ?

to be fair to them and all of the unionised/public sector workforce , they will continue on in the roles they have after pay agreement has been reached as they dont have much of a bargaining chip save for industrial action which if pushed too far will cause reworking of national pay legislation that will cause greater wage cute to these workers- as whether they accept it or not, they are well paid (overpaid in some civil service jobs) already.
their alternative is to jump into the cut and thrust of the private secttor, for less pay and increases based on performance etc.

the further growth will come from our currently well performing service/finance/techno sectors as well as exports.

Ff can easily complement these with reducing the oppressive poll tax and other levies that if introduced as promised in full will stiffle growth , local economy and affect the country and its output/performance.
not saying ff will do so - they could continue to fcuk up like fg/labour are doing - but imo, it is an open goal.

even without re-negotiating the euro deal, we have a further 7 years to pay it off, so use this bit of money to lessen the pressue locally.

eu cant do that much to us really. we are only being penalised for retaining our low corporation tax.

we should lower it even further for new businesses - to encourage more money/jobs/companies comng in....!

[NetNitrate]

we dont have any choice here. ff and fg are brutal. imo fg are worse.
while ff brought the country down through their greed and desire to protect their own interests and cronies in the anglo irish bank, they were the conduits in creating and promoting this industry and surge in the country in the first place.

That's very debatable. In fact, it was the Rainbow Gov of FG, Lab and DL that brought in the 12.5% corporate tax (specifically Ruari Quinn, Pat Rabbitte and Richard Bruton) that was a primary driver. The surge that came afterwards led by FF was a false economy driven by an obscene flow of easy credit and an out of control property bubble. We'll be paying back that for a long, long time.

I was more thinking of the IFSC and innovations that the likes of business men like Dermot Desmond kicked off and inspired, with the backing of the then ff govenment.

That could also be cited as an example of everything that was wrong with the country under FF. It was an economic philosophy literally based on "the haves and the have Yachts... repaired".

[lynchbhoy]

we dont have any choice here. ff and fg are brutal. imo fg are worse.
while ff brought the country down through their greed and desire to protect their own interests and cronies in the anglo irish bank, they were the conduits in creating and promoting this industry and surge in the country in the first place.

That's very debatable. In fact, it was the Rainbow Gov of FG, Lab and DL that brought in the 12.5% corporate tax (specifically Ruari Quinn, Pat Rabbitte and Richard Bruton) that was a primary driver. The surge that came afterwards led by FF was a false economy driven by an obscene flow of easy credit and an out of control property bubble. We'll be paying back that for a long, long time.

I was more thinking of the IFSC and innovations that the likes of business men like Dermot Desmond kicked off and inspired, with the backing of the then ff govenment.

That could also be cited as an example of everything that was wrong with the country under FF. It was an economic philosophy literally based on "the haves and the have Yachts... repaired".

wouldnt completely agree there, certainly the cronyism which eventually sunk ff was there, but the selection of beneficial programmes to support job creation, business expanding undertakings made the difference to the country today.
fg have a record of not supporting initiatives like this - eg look at them currently.

there is no guarantee that ff will rekindle ther prev positive ideals either should they get back in. i'd not back against them rekindling their negavtive activities!

[muppet]

That could also be cited as an example of everything that was wrong with the country under FF. It was an economic philosophy literally based on "the haves and the have Yachts... repaired".

I like it.