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More convinced than ever that as in basketball in '70s shot clock is the only answer. In 2nd half
2 min
In final added time/extra time 1 min

All goalkeeper kickouts from small rectangle. Inhibits short kick outs

Revert to fistpass (as was faced up in 1950s after the Antrim 1946-48 team hardly ever kicked the ball in open play)

Mark from all free's, kick-outs and sidelines

Trying to police exclusion zones or back passing impossible! Remember club should be king and think Junior Championship on a muddy winter pitch

And a mark is a kick of at least 32m ( 45-13) that is caught cleanly. I believe?

4 20m free rule to apply for 2nd half on

All 20m free apply from 50th min on inc ET might be best and of course all penalty rules apply as is.


Also ET not new game which is nonsence rewarding bad behaviour.

4 20m free rule to apply for 2nd half on

This is getting very complicated Chinese Jimmy McGuinness's 'ideas'
would make the game impossible to ref (think Junior B league game in February)
Suggestions:
1 A 2 min shot-clock 2nd half (1 min final added time and ET) guided by special stopwatch
( as well as score and wide kick from outside 45 landing/ touched in large rectangle counts as a shot.) with technology we can design a special GAA stopwatch plus plus to help refs with shot clocks etc)
2 Ban handpass only closed fist pass (as in 1960s) and kick pass (fist less reliable so encourages kick - hurling is a great game cos ball is available not buried in someone's gut all changes must encourage ball availability)
3 Mark for all frees sidelines and kickouts
4 All frees for personal fouls (inc. all black & red offences that includes shepherding/ 3rd man tackling in both offence and defence and steps holding time rules which must be more strictly enforced I believe) from opponent's 20m line
5 Move all kick-outs back to small rectangle ( scare keepers into longer kick-outs)
6 Timekeeper for County matches and County Champ finals. (Works well in 'ladies' football relieves refs of some duties THAT IS ESSENTIAL
Lots to learn from women's game surpasses men's game in so many ways now and ovetaling it fast )

Banning backpassing impossible to enforce in such bog (freudian slip meant big) pitches and 30 players OK for small basketball
We have generally bad refs often spineless linesmen and
Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil umpires. All these folk need rules and technology where feasible to take max. duties away from them and I believe what I have here would help a lot and free up football into a much more open game

Quite a few lads forgetting that jimmy is the only county manager to defeat the Dubs in the last 5 years so it's a bit cheap to disregard his tactical nous as being stale. He even done so with a average enough Donegal squad.

To advocate Horan over Jim is wrong, there is clearly one cv which is much more impressive.

Not so
Mayo lost 2AI by bizarre misfortune (& that puts cold machine Dublin
the media invention into perspective )
Mayo's record of achievement as compared to Donegal is far better
Jimmy should stick to dull boring soccer
Suits him best

The gas thing is we're playing Dublin this weekend and there's never any shite coming from the Dubs fans by and large. It's muppets who's own counties are that shite that hey rely on Tyrone bashing as their primary interest in GAA.

Most Dublin fans are rambling round shopping centres,
watching Eastenders or boring English soccer
hence the lack of any coherent comment on anything from them

Live by the sword die by the sword
Mayo suicide
Get Jack O'Connor
Board tell players to knucle down
play ball and stop the machiavellian  crap

Was it McShane who hit that disaster of a shot at the end? Couldn't believe it. Beggan subsequently bettered him though thankfully.

Tyrone did it throughout the game. Needlessly shooting from difficult positions instead of just holding on to it til they found someone in a gimme position.

This is the key point of soul destroying failures for Tyrone. 

It always amazes me because Tyrone have been doing this for 5+ years (see Mayo 2016 worst 34 chances 12 scores) They rarely score the expected total for a top class team and their conversion rate (the other way of judging shot selection/shooting success) is never up to usual top 4 standards (only against lesser teams like Roscommon and Armagh latterly). Tyrone do 'create' more 'chances' but less chances and a much better conversion rate giving 20+points is the target and better way. The misses shots, short, wide and frees missed are soul destroying and today was the same
With all this coaching etc etc How come Tyrone never take the extra 2-3 passes to get the right shot as Dublin do?

It must be an inbuilt lack of confidence/panic somewhere? Is Stephen O'Neill doing anything at all with Tyrone?
The defense is grand so Tyrone now practice your zen, coolness, self belief and patience up front and anything is possible as when 2 points down in 2008!

You do realise Tyrone are currently sat in an All Ireland final?

It's brilliant!
But aim for the top and as Harte says "....there's something to win in the final"
I want Tyrone to out Dublin Dublin and become default All_Ireland winners.

As we know chance creation of 30-40 is the range to aim for with a conversion rate of 66%+. That is the winning target. Doesn't always work that way  of course but it has for Dublin for 5 years now in all but two three matches. They got 36 chances and 66% conversion yesterday (83% in first half dipped second as it got easier and impatient subs tried to get on the starting line for final).

Dublin take about half their points from less than 35m range standing or with a steady slow run and direct on kick.

That is what's required and Tyrone showed bursts of it but not nearly enough to beat Dublin. Spirit I believe Tyrone have but that must translate into scores to compliment great defending obviously. Tyrone staggered to all their All-Ireland's but the now the, in ways boring, Dublin machine make spirit less and cold efficiency more important (Gavin is cold isn't he?).

Yet I believe Tyrone can of course win on 2/9. Dublin should have been 3 goals down with 15min gone against Galway.Their relatively small defense can't cope with strong full forwards (Richie Donnelly ) and well delivered high balls (holding down McAlliskey in Omagh) Cluxton can be panicked (last 10-15 in Omagh).
If Frank Burns had flipped the pass to his right If Mattie had held  Lee Brennan's smart pass The nervy inefficiency against craggy Monaghan is a real blessing in disguise.
Tyrone need cool patient finishing and a very strong full forward (Tyrone have the best most committed ever defense) its in them. Its up to Donnelly, Devlin, Harte and possibly most of all Stephen O'Neill given his forward's role to help the players bring it out in full flower. Definitely all to play for!

Was it McShane who hit that disaster of a shot at the end? Couldn't believe it. Beggan subsequently bettered him though thankfully.

Tyrone did it throughout the game. Needlessly shooting from difficult positions instead of just holding on to it til they found someone in a gimme position.

This is the key point of soul destroying failures for Tyrone. 

It always amazes me because Tyrone have been doing this for 5+ years (see Mayo 2016 worst 34 chances 12 scores) They rarely score the expected total for a top class team and their conversion rate (the other way of judging shot selection/shooting success) is never up to usual top 4 standards (only against lesser teams like Roscommon and Armagh latterly). Tyrone do 'create' more 'chances' but less chances and a much better conversion rate giving 20+points is the target and better way. The misses shots, short, wide and frees missed are soul destroying and today was the same
With all this coaching etc etc How come Tyrone never take the extra 2-3 passes to get the right shot as Dublin do?

It must be an inbuilt lack of confidence/panic somewhere? Is Stephen O'Neill doing anything at all with Tyrone?
The defense is grand so Tyrone now practice your zen, coolness, self belief and patience up front and anything is possible as when 2 points down in 2008!

The closeness of the game today meant that it was certainly more interesting than yesterdays game. Though the quality wasn't fantastic at all. Poor wides and bad decision making throughout. The amount of lads who lost/dropped/mis-controlled the ball while soloing under no real pressure was unreal.

McAlliskey hits a great free off the ground from 40 odd yards under the Hoganstand. Then fires two terrible wides immediately after. Some of the shooting from distance from Monaghan was awful.

Sitting with three other lads all hoping for a Tyrone defeat, and none mentioned the performance of the ref. Bar the Black Card decision for McNamee and Cavanagh's charge. (Barry Cassidy blew against James McCarthy for the same thing yesterday) which he got wrong, I didn't think that he favoured Tyrone. Might have to watch the game back.

I think that Tyrone were the better team. Monaghan struggled to get scores from play at the start of the second half. I think they had the first two opportunities and put them both wide.

Tyrone are in the final and anything can happen. Today's performance will not be good enough to beat Dublin. And fingers crossed they play like that and Dublin beat them out the gate. 

The quality of the game was awful Tyrone failed frequently in basic skills, had awful decision making and horrendous shot selection on so many occasions with 10 wide but also 7-8 short
If Tyrone play like that Dublin will beat them far worse than last year.  But things don't work that way.

Harte made a mistake not playing the team announced on Thursday night I wanted Lee Brennan to play a full game but he is clearly lazy in turns of Tyrone's system and better coming on as sub.

The early start seemed to leave Kieran McGeary a very slow starter. Let them both work themselves up on the bench then come on at about 40 min as per Donegal.

Into the final (10 drought over) more lessons learned and all to play for.

As a Tyrone supporter today was draining/exhausting from frustration at really bad Tyrone decision making from I believe a mixture of semi-final fear and over confidence about Monaghan
Still the determination in the defense especially Colm Cavanagh was great and Tyrone have got the bad stuff out now and I believe can only get better with Dublin getting arrogant no matter how much Gavin and Sherlock try to prevent it.

It ain't over til its over so on to the Final and a full house with hopefully a few thousand more Tyrone supporters there.

Take Tyrone They can draw on 100000
for their team due to sectarian division
Dublin CSO/Irl pop est 2018 is 1.35m
Estimates of GAA investments per member
for development etc. in Dublin are five times
higher than the other Counties like Tyrone
So Dub potential playing pop 13.5 times Tyrone the
investment factor multiples that by 5 
Ie. Dub overall advantage in resources is
13.5x5=67.5 to 1 for Tyrone.
Other Counties have a lots worse resource
disadvantage than Tyrone
using this formulae to give a rough idea of comparability
So Dubs win everything play keep ball
Result total boredom no money
Croke Park sold to U2 and rugby and GAA withers
GAA HQ Thurles hurling best game in world
well played in 10 Counties at best lives on
dull boring drunken Dub supporter dominated
football dies
Do we want this? Maybe
But let's have one last try to balance the resources and
effort around the Country stopping media creation Dublin domination
and get back to club roots
Let's make the money work for the people all the people fairly.

Dublin 3rd man tackling going un punished got them 4 point  diff (-2 + 2)

Well the gift that is Boris keeps on giving
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/tories-at-war-after-boris-johnsons-burka-rant-as-theresa-may-refuses-to-suspend-him/ar-BBLDlVl?li=BBoPWjQ

I have to admit that I don't think the burka has anyplace in western society. Imagine the uproar if a section of men decided that they wanted to wear balaclavas as part of their culture.

Anyway fire away, what do you all think?

I believe full facial cover is not on in today's 'terrorist' threatened society. That is the main problem. As far as I am concerned people can wear whatever they like as long as their face from eyebrows to under chin and ear to ear are visible to all others also as long as their clothes are not obviously offensive to children. Islam like all religions is not the real problem it is how all 'ism's' are used to facilitate corruption and misery arising from power and its abuse. Prejudice is essentially for me the failure to fairly recognise the individual. Influenced by culture  and backgound as we all are the commonality between all the individuals of our species is far greater than the differences culturally and genetically. So to recognise the individual and avoid more predjudice I think its only fair if I can see their face (unless fairly and fully justified by needs of personal protection from injury which clearly demand otherwise).

Everything went right for Monaghan in Omagh in May, everything. They were scoring ridiculous points from every angle they wouldn't any other day and this coupled with us losing 2 key forwards early on meant it was always an uphill struggle. Even with this in their favour they never pulled away until near the end.

We are a far better fitter outfit since then. As they said on the Sunday game last night, our bench has contributed 8 points per game which is an incredible card to play. I fully expect Tyrones conditioning to see them through.
We really really need to watch giving away frees though in scorable positions. (Anything past their own 45 with Beggans ability  ) Do a number on McManus like we did on Murphy yesterday and we're grand.

Agree 100%
I wonder could Hampsay be brought back to help tag McManus, Meyler take O'Connell and leave Sludden in centre where he is comfortable ( I think Harte overreacted to Owen Ban's presence yesterday) With the 3 men now physically & match fit Tyrone have advantage also learning and getting better each day but Monaghan a serious & confident challenge. Great game in prospect As for   Dublin just makes me wonder if a cute hard Galbally man did not put too much pressure on to win in Salthill ( better get Dubs in semi and an Ulster team in final from Galway perspective but mebbe that's too fanciful(?) Morgan v Beggan interesting! Beggan best in Country but could inspire Morgan who held his nerve well up in the pit of hell yesterday. As to the pitch Tyrone could play it side to side and win I smell a 2008 coning on! Rem Conor and Ricey outpdcychinh Keery when Tyrone went 2 down 'Now we have them' 😈👺