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« Reply #17670 on: November 22, 2021, 08:25:01 AM »
Not once has that question been answered. Been asked many times.

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« Reply #17671 on: November 22, 2021, 08:56:15 AM »
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Our government saw it wise to lock down the country this time last year with lower hospitalisation numbers and significantly lower ICU numbers for a reason.

Of course they did, last year nobody was vaccinated in the numbers would have quickly increased.

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The vaccines are sadly not performing as well as anybody hoped including the CMO.

That may be true, but as the previous sentence shows they are working and their ability to work is significantly compromised by people not getting them.
Is it really? How many arenít vaccinated at this stage? Must be a tiny percentage. Last figures I saw were around 90% for over 12ís and thatíl be even higher for just adults youíd imagine.

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« Reply #17672 on: November 22, 2021, 09:12:13 AM »
I was referring  to this idea  that the vaccinated are all wearing  masks, doing the right things, whereas the unvaccinated are running around mental, adhering to no guidance . Itís clearly not true, but thatís what people believe

Ah, OK.

Yeah, that is more than a fair point. There are some believe the vaccines are a silver bullet and means they can party like its 2018...

But, that does not mean I am going any less harsh on those that refuse to get vaccinated.

Ok, so you are saying that  vaccinated and unvaccinated people are both to blame?

Take the road safety example, you may still have an accident despite having a well-maintained car and driving safely. Many vaccinated people will become infected although they have taken all reasonable measures. if you drive a car too fast or on bald tyres then you to blame, not getting vaccinated is in this category. Some vaccinated people may be sloppy in other respects, but many are not.

I read the above and I worry about the road ahead. Contrary to what you believe, the unvaxxed are scared people - not of taking a vax but what ransom people like yourself will hold them to. You are the danger in all of this.

Thats summed it up for me. For me its not so much about the vaccine as the controls and measures like covid passports or digital health certificates etc that our governments can introduce without so much as a whimper from politicians, media or the judiciary.
           I don't think its going to end well.

Yes totally agree.

The idea of mandatory vaccination, if that was made law, then why would you need covid passports? Or this digital health app/certificate? If every single person in the country was vaccinated, then there would be no reason for lockdowns, restrictions, curfews, working from home, no effects on businesses etc. Yes, people would still contract the virus, and some will get sick, and some will die, but life would continue as before. But it would basically be the survival of the fittest. If you survive, you survive. If you die, you die.

The governmentís wouldnít have a scapegoat  to pin this on because there would be no unvaccinated. People are turning on each other instead of on government for their handling of this. People would turn and point the finger at Them for the waning vaccines, numbers of infections and hospitalisations, and for their disastrous handling of the whole thing..   They wonít impose mandatory vaccines for  that very reason. They want division. They want control
This is bullshit. Nobody wants this pandemic
 Where did all the paranoid theories come from ?
You are just being played.

Well if Austria proceed with mandatory vaccinations, it will be interesting to see if they get rid of covid passports. Why would they need them if everyone is vaccinated ? If theyíre still around by March, you have to wonder.

Whoís getting the blame for this recent surge in cases then? Is it the government for not preparing for this eventuality? The waning effect of vaccines? No, itís the unvaccinated. Itís all their fault. Thereís your scapegoat.

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« Reply #17673 on: November 22, 2021, 09:12:31 AM »
They want division. They want control

No, they want the hospitals to be available for unavoidable illness.
Yep, but the 3 posters before you are complete morons who canít believe they have a facility here to engage with people.

They have this belief that the governments around the world, including and especially Ireland, have these vaccine policies in order to control us little people. For what end, itís not quite clear, other than itís dangerous. So beware! And furthermore itís only these special people and their cohorts who are aware of this cunning plan while the rest of us are all missing the obvious!

Deluded loners or just morons.

Well you've convinced me with your coherent counter arguments and insults!
     

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« Reply #17674 on: November 22, 2021, 09:32:23 AM »
I was referring  to this idea  that the vaccinated are all wearing  masks, doing the right things, whereas the unvaccinated are running around mental, adhering to no guidance . Itís clearly not true, but thatís what people believe

Ah, OK.

Yeah, that is more than a fair point. There are some believe the vaccines are a silver bullet and means they can party like its 2018...

But, that does not mean I am going any less harsh on those that refuse to get vaccinated.

Ok, so you are saying that  vaccinated and unvaccinated people are both to blame?

Take the road safety example, you may still have an accident despite having a well-maintained car and driving safely. Many vaccinated people will become infected although they have taken all reasonable measures. if you drive a car too fast or on bald tyres then you to blame, not getting vaccinated is in this category. Some vaccinated people may be sloppy in other respects, but many are not.

I read the above and I worry about the road ahead. Contrary to what you believe, the unvaxxed are scared people - not of taking a vax but what ransom people like yourself will hold them to. You are the danger in all of this.

Thats summed it up for me. For me its not so much about the vaccine as the controls and measures like covid passports or digital health certificates etc that our governments can introduce without so much as a whimper from politicians, media or the judiciary.
           I don't think its going to end well.

Yes totally agree.

The idea of mandatory vaccination, if that was made law, then why would you need covid passports? Or this digital health app/certificate? If every single person in the country was vaccinated, then there would be no reason for lockdowns, restrictions, curfews, working from home, no effects on businesses etc. Yes, people would still contract the virus, and some will get sick, and some will die, but life would continue as before. But it would basically be the survival of the fittest. If you survive, you survive. If you die, you die.

The governmentís wouldnít have a scapegoat  to pin this on because there would be no unvaccinated. People are turning on each other instead of on government for their handling of this. People would turn and point the finger at Them for the waning vaccines, numbers of infections and hospitalisations, and for their disastrous handling of the whole thing..   They wonít impose mandatory vaccines for  that very reason. They want division. They want control
This is bullshit. Nobody wants this pandemic
 Where did all the paranoid theories come from ?
You are just being played.

Well if Austria proceed with mandatory vaccinations, it will be interesting to see if they get rid of covid passports. Why would they need them if everyone is vaccinated ? If theyíre still around by March, you have to wonder.

Whoís getting the blame for this recent surge in cases then? Is it the government for not preparing for this eventuality? The waning effect of vaccines? No, itís the unvaccinated. Itís all their fault. Thereís your scapegoat.
The government are getting some of the blame, as we all discuss how bad the NHS is. Blaming the vaccines would be stupid as itís still better that no vaccine. And yes the unvaccinated are getting some of the blame as well. I think the issue is that the unvaccinated donít want to accept they have to shoulder some of the blame for being unvaccinated just the same as some vaccinated who flaunt rules are to blame as well.
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« Reply #17675 on: November 22, 2021, 09:43:08 AM »
I was referring  to this idea  that the vaccinated are all wearing  masks, doing the right things, whereas the unvaccinated are running around mental, adhering to no guidance . Itís clearly not true, but thatís what people believe

Ah, OK.

Yeah, that is more than a fair point. There are some believe the vaccines are a silver bullet and means they can party like its 2018...

But, that does not mean I am going any less harsh on those that refuse to get vaccinated.

Ok, so you are saying that  vaccinated and unvaccinated people are both to blame?

Take the road safety example, you may still have an accident despite having a well-maintained car and driving safely. Many vaccinated people will become infected although they have taken all reasonable measures. if you drive a car too fast or on bald tyres then you to blame, not getting vaccinated is in this category. Some vaccinated people may be sloppy in other respects, but many are not.

I read the above and I worry about the road ahead. Contrary to what you believe, the unvaxxed are scared people - not of taking a vax but what ransom people like yourself will hold them to. You are the danger in all of this.

Thats summed it up for me. For me its not so much about the vaccine as the controls and measures like covid passports or digital health certificates etc that our governments can introduce without so much as a whimper from politicians, media or the judiciary.
           I don't think its going to end well.

Yes totally agree.

The idea of mandatory vaccination, if that was made law, then why would you need covid passports? Or this digital health app/certificate? If every single person in the country was vaccinated, then there would be no reason for lockdowns, restrictions, curfews, working from home, no effects on businesses etc. Yes, people would still contract the virus, and some will get sick, and some will die, but life would continue as before. But it would basically be the survival of the fittest. If you survive, you survive. If you die, you die.

The governmentís wouldnít have a scapegoat  to pin this on because there would be no unvaccinated. People are turning on each other instead of on government for their handling of this. People would turn and point the finger at Them for the waning vaccines, numbers of infections and hospitalisations, and for their disastrous handling of the whole thing..   They wonít impose mandatory vaccines for  that very reason. They want division. They want control
This is bullshit. Nobody wants this pandemic
 Where did all the paranoid theories come from ?
You are just being played.

Well if Austria proceed with mandatory vaccinations, it will be interesting to see if they get rid of covid passports. Why would they need them if everyone is vaccinated ? If theyíre still around by March, you have to wonder.

Whoís getting the blame for this recent surge in cases then? Is it the government for not preparing for this eventuality? The waning effect of vaccines? No, itís the unvaccinated. Itís all their fault. Thereís your scapegoat.

Flash narrative alert!!! ⚠️ 📢 🚨  again!

what point are you trying to make or suggest when you say you have to wonder? Are you suggesting there are alternative reasons for the covid passport? some sort of conspiracy?

unvaccinated are not blamed for the recent surge... they are blamed for putting extra pressure on the health service.

 I think most People were aware when society opened up again numbers would increase... the same people were suggesting that restrictions were required last year as without them hospitals would be overun but back then others that share your opinions didnt want restrictions, they wanted to open up...

I'd be interested in what you think Govt should have done.. I am.not suggesting they are doing a good job but interested in what you think the alternatives were/are..

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« Reply #17676 on: November 22, 2021, 10:00:59 AM »
I was referring  to this idea  that the vaccinated are all wearing  masks, doing the right things, whereas the unvaccinated are running around mental, adhering to no guidance . Itís clearly not true, but thatís what people believe

Ah, OK.

Yeah, that is more than a fair point. There are some believe the vaccines are a silver bullet and means they can party like its 2018...

But, that does not mean I am going any less harsh on those that refuse to get vaccinated.

Ok, so you are saying that  vaccinated and unvaccinated people are both to blame?

Take the road safety example, you may still have an accident despite having a well-maintained car and driving safely. Many vaccinated people will become infected although they have taken all reasonable measures. if you drive a car too fast or on bald tyres then you to blame, not getting vaccinated is in this category. Some vaccinated people may be sloppy in other respects, but many are not.

I read the above and I worry about the road ahead. Contrary to what you believe, the unvaxxed are scared people - not of taking a vax but what ransom people like yourself will hold them to. You are the danger in all of this.

Thats summed it up for me. For me its not so much about the vaccine as the controls and measures like covid passports or digital health certificates etc that our governments can introduce without so much as a whimper from politicians, media or the judiciary.
           I don't think its going to end well.

Yes totally agree.

The idea of mandatory vaccination, if that was made law, then why would you need covid passports? Or this digital health app/certificate? If every single person in the country was vaccinated, then there would be no reason for lockdowns, restrictions, curfews, working from home, no effects on businesses etc. Yes, people would still contract the virus, and some will get sick, and some will die, but life would continue as before. But it would basically be the survival of the fittest. If you survive, you survive. If you die, you die.

The governmentís wouldnít have a scapegoat  to pin this on because there would be no unvaccinated. People are turning on each other instead of on government for their handling of this. People would turn and point the finger at Them for the waning vaccines, numbers of infections and hospitalisations, and for their disastrous handling of the whole thing..   They wonít impose mandatory vaccines for  that very reason. They want division. They want control
This is bullshit. Nobody wants this pandemic
 Where did all the paranoid theories come from ?
You are just being played.

Well if Austria proceed with mandatory vaccinations, it will be interesting to see if they get rid of covid passports. Why would they need them if everyone is vaccinated ? If theyíre still around by March, you have to wonder.

Whoís getting the blame for this recent surge in cases then? Is it the government for not preparing for this eventuality? The waning effect of vaccines? No, itís the unvaccinated. Itís all their fault. Thereís your scapegoat.

Flash narrative alert!!! ⚠️ 📢 🚨  again!

what point are you trying to make or suggest when you say you have to wonder? Are you suggesting there are alternative reasons for the covid passport? some sort of conspiracy?

unvaccinated are not blamed for the recent surge... they are blamed for putting extra pressure on the health service.

 I think most People were aware when society opened up again numbers would increase... the same people were suggesting that restrictions were required last year as without them hospitals would be overun but back then others that share your opinions didnt want restrictions, they wanted to open up...

I'd be interested in what you think Govt should have done.. I am.not suggesting they are doing a good job but interested in what you think the alternatives were/are..


what about people that galivant all over the place are they not to blame aswell  will you be calling out these companies that still go ahead with christmas parties.

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« Reply #17677 on: November 22, 2021, 10:01:51 AM »
videos this morning of a luas packed out are they not to blame are they free from guilt and sin .
« Last Edit: November 22, 2021, 10:09:06 AM by Eire90 »

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« Reply #17678 on: November 22, 2021, 11:06:20 AM »
eire90 I haven't seen the video of the Luas (did a quick twitter search and saw nothing). Are you advocating for the reintroduction of restrictions? or fines for breaches of guidelines etc.?

I used to take the luas to work pre covid... I won't be taking it the future, as it stands that's a personal choice as guidelines allow full capacity on public transport as far as I know.

FYI - 50% (4) articles on breaking news now are about covid and lockdowns and/or protests in Europe and NZ.
« Last Edit: November 22, 2021, 11:24:56 AM by PadraicHenryPearse »

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« Reply #17679 on: November 22, 2021, 11:21:49 AM »
I was referring  to this idea  that the vaccinated are all wearing  masks, doing the right things, whereas the unvaccinated are running around mental, adhering to no guidance . Itís clearly not true, but thatís what people believe

Ah, OK.

Yeah, that is more than a fair point. There are some believe the vaccines are a silver bullet and means they can party like its 2018...

But, that does not mean I am going any less harsh on those that refuse to get vaccinated.

Ok, so you are saying that  vaccinated and unvaccinated people are both to blame?

Take the road safety example, you may still have an accident despite having a well-maintained car and driving safely. Many vaccinated people will become infected although they have taken all reasonable measures. if you drive a car too fast or on bald tyres then you to blame, not getting vaccinated is in this category. Some vaccinated people may be sloppy in other respects, but many are not.

I read the above and I worry about the road ahead. Contrary to what you believe, the unvaxxed are scared people - not of taking a vax but what ransom people like yourself will hold them to. You are the danger in all of this.

Thats summed it up for me. For me its not so much about the vaccine as the controls and measures like covid passports or digital health certificates etc that our governments can introduce without so much as a whimper from politicians, media or the judiciary.
           I don't think its going to end well.

Yes totally agree.

The idea of mandatory vaccination, if that was made law, then why would you need covid passports? Or this digital health app/certificate? If every single person in the country was vaccinated, then there would be no reason for lockdowns, restrictions, curfews, working from home, no effects on businesses etc. Yes, people would still contract the virus, and some will get sick, and some will die, but life would continue as before. But it would basically be the survival of the fittest. If you survive, you survive. If you die, you die.

The governmentís wouldnít have a scapegoat  to pin this on because there would be no unvaccinated. People are turning on each other instead of on government for their handling of this. People would turn and point the finger at Them for the waning vaccines, numbers of infections and hospitalisations, and for their disastrous handling of the whole thing..   They wonít impose mandatory vaccines for  that very reason. They want division. They want control
This is bullshit. Nobody wants this pandemic
 Where did all the paranoid theories come from ?
You are just being played.

Well if Austria proceed with mandatory vaccinations, it will be interesting to see if they get rid of covid passports. Why would they need them if everyone is vaccinated ? If theyíre still around by March, you have to wonder.

Whoís getting the blame for this recent surge in cases then? Is it the government for not preparing for this eventuality? The waning effect of vaccines? No, itís the unvaccinated. Itís all their fault. Thereís your scapegoat.

1. Wonder about what, exactly?

2. Passing a driving test is mandatory to be allowed to drive freely on public roads. Going by your apparent logic, why would we need driving licenses?

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« Reply #17680 on: November 22, 2021, 11:38:24 AM »
some video going around of 100s of people in the street in cork  joe duffy probably wont say anything free from guilt and sin

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« Reply #17681 on: November 22, 2021, 11:41:50 AM »
We don't know if Austria can impose compulsory vaccination successfully.
If it can't the idea will be quietly shelved.
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« Reply #17682 on: November 23, 2021, 12:39:11 PM »
We don't know if Austria can impose compulsory vaccination successfully.
If it can't the idea will be quietly shelved.

Regardless no country will get all vaccinated, I'd expect once they get close to our uptake figures it will be shelved.

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« Reply #17683 on: November 23, 2021, 01:22:41 PM »
Back to March 2020 advice from the executive in 6 counties, wash your hands, meet outdoorsÖÖ.. Dear fcuk

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« Reply #17684 on: November 23, 2021, 01:26:02 PM »
some video going around of 100s of people in the street in cork  joe duffy probably wont say anything free from guilt and sin

Sure there was a cork hurling final too. You could pick on any of these things.

Did one of these unvaccinated gallivanters give you COVID??