Well can Mayo do it again?
Kerry by half a dozen!
Can the bookies right Mayo off again & offer us 6/1 odds again.
Someone needs to get hold of Aidan O'Sé and tell him he's not allowed run with the ball.
Win it and lay it off.
Do not take the ball into contact.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 31, 2011, 06:38:43 PM
Someone needs to get hold of Aidan O'Sé and tell him he's not allowed run with the ball.
Win it and lay it off.
Do not take the ball into contact.
Very true. Though he has come along way since the disastrous experiment of playing him at full forward last year. Cumbersome in the extreme.
Hope he continues to improve, he was some minor
Down knocked out Kerry last year no reason why Mayo can't? & don't forget they beat Kerry in the 1996 Semi final.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 31, 2011, 06:38:43 PM
Someone needs to get hold of Aidan O'Sé and tell him he's not allowed run with the ball.
Win it and lay it off.
Do not take the ball into contact.
+1
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 31, 2011, 06:56:12 PM
Down knocked out Kerry last year no reason why Mayo can't? & don't forget they beat Kerry in the 1996 Semi final.
By 6 points if my memory serves me.
Hype overdrive and Mayo's inability in recent years to string together consecutive performances will be the main obstacles for Mayo. Kerry won't miss the 3 goal chances Cork squandered (scoring 2 points admittedly).
Still they are in with a fighting chance.
Quote from: Canalman on July 31, 2011, 07:10:59 PM
Hype overdrive and Mayo's inability in recent years to string together consecutive performances will be the main obstacles for Mayo. Kerry won't miss the 3 goal chances Cork squandered (scoring 2 points admittedly).
Still they are in with a fighting chance.
Nah don't think there will be hype in Mayo, we are getting the hang of this pessimism lark.
Listen, Mayo came outta the 'Weakest' Province.
We nearly got beat by London,needing extra time to fall over the line.
We beat a weakened and burned out Cork team.
Really, this will be another easy turn over for Kerry, there is nothing to say otherwise.
Kerry have no suspensions or injuries this year.
They have climitised to the big loss of players they had 2 years ago due to defections and retirements.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 31, 2011, 07:23:36 PM
Listen, Mayo came outta the 'Weakest' Province.
We nearly got beat by London,needing extra time to fall over the line.
We beat a weakened and burned out Cork team.
Really, this will be another easy turn over for Kerry, there is nothing to say otherwise.
Kerry have no suspensions or injuries this year.
They have climitised to the big loss of players they had 2 years ago due to defections and retirements.
Still it won't stop upwards of 30,000 Mayo fans traveling to this Semi final now.
Quote from: ross4life on July 31, 2011, 07:29:27 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 31, 2011, 07:23:36 PM
Listen, Mayo came outta the 'Weakest' Province.
We nearly got beat by London,needing extra time to fall over the line.
We beat a weakened and burned out Cork team.
Really, this will be another easy turn over for Kerry, there is nothing to say otherwise.
Kerry have no suspensions or injuries this year.
They have climitised to the big loss of players they had 2 years ago due to defections and retirements.
Luckily it's Kerry they are playing or there would be no tickets for us for the Minor game ;D ;D
Still it won't stop upwards of 30,000 Mayo fans traveling to this Semi final now.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 31, 2011, 07:33:45 PM
Quote from: ross4life on July 31, 2011, 07:29:27 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 31, 2011, 07:23:36 PM
Listen, Mayo came outta the 'Weakest' Province.
We nearly got beat by London,needing extra time to fall over the line.
We beat a weakened and burned out Cork team.
Really, this will be another easy turn over for Kerry, there is nothing to say otherwise.
Kerry have no suspensions or injuries this year.
They have climitised to the big loss of players they had 2 years ago due to defections and retirements.
Luckily it's Kerry they are playing or there would be no tickets for us for the Minor game ;D ;D
Still it won't stop upwards of 30,000 Mayo fans traveling to this Semi final now.
Listen there will be no run on tickets, Mayo have suffered two humiliating defeats in AI Finals to Kerry in 04 and 06. The general fan still has memories of this. For today we will enjoy our victory, but as Paudi would say Kerry are a different animal.
We'll see bunker. Apparently Tomas O'Shea said in a interview after the Limerick game that they had three weeks to get ready for Cork.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 31, 2011, 08:15:46 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 31, 2011, 07:33:45 PM
Quote from: ross4life on July 31, 2011, 07:29:27 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 31, 2011, 07:23:36 PM
Listen, Mayo came outta the 'Weakest' Province.
We nearly got beat by London,needing extra time to fall over the line.
We beat a weakened and burned out Cork team.
Really, this will be another easy turn over for Kerry, there is nothing to say otherwise.
Kerry have no suspensions or injuries this year.
They have climitised to the big loss of players they had 2 years ago due to defections and retirements.
Luckily it's Kerry they are playing or there would be no tickets for us for the Minor game ;D ;D
Still it won't stop upwards of 30,000 Mayo fans traveling to this Semi final now.
Listen there will be no run on tickets, Mayo have suffered two humiliating defeats in AI Finals to Kerry in 04 and 06. The general fan still has memories of this. For today we will enjoy our victory, but as Paudi would say Kerry are a different animal.
+1 We can enjoy today, but Kerry are still big favourates.
In o sheas defence he slipped a couple of times and for whatever reason there was a lot of players slipping across both games today.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on July 31, 2011, 08:29:08 PM
In o sheas defence he slipped a couple of times and for whatever reason there was a lot of players slipping across both games today.
And yesterday. Did they relay the pitch again after that concert?
Quote from: ross4life on July 31, 2011, 08:19:27 PM
We'll see bunker. Apparently Tomas O'Shea said in a interview after the Limerick game that they had three weeks to get ready for Cork.
Saw that but in fairness he was only saying what most people outside Mayo were thinking.
Quote from: Orangemac on July 31, 2011, 11:27:40 PM
Quote from: ross4life on July 31, 2011, 08:19:27 PM
We'll see bunker. Apparently Tomas O'Shea said in a interview after the Limerick game that they had three weeks to get ready for Cork.
Saw that but in fairness he was only saying what most people outside Mayo were thinking.
Didn't hear the interview, a thats brilliant, exactly the kind of talk we want out of the Kerry lads. Hope they start thinking about the final against the Dubs or Tyrone (Donegal).
We beat a weakened and burned out Cork team.
Burnt out from what? Couihan lost this game today for Cork. Naming N. Murphy at 14 was supposed to be some kind of master stroke and then bringing him on to somehow save the game blew up big time.
Quote from: ross4life on July 31, 2011, 08:19:27 PM
We'll see bunker. Apparently Tomas O'Shea said in a interview after the Limerick game that they had three weeks to get ready for Cork.
There's no 'apparently' about it. He did say it.
When Mayo were scoring those winning points yesterday, you could hear the Kerry accents in the crowd outcheering the Mayo one's :D
Quote from: Shrewdness on August 01, 2011, 08:26:52 AM
Quote from: ross4life on July 31, 2011, 08:19:27 PM
We'll see bunker. Apparently Tomas O'Shea said in a interview after the Limerick game that they had three weeks to get ready for Cork.
There's no 'apparently' about it. He did say it.
When Mayo were scoring those winning points yesterday, you could hear the Kerry accents in the crowd outcheering the Mayo one's :D
All 3 of them?
Ah sure it'll probably end up a victory for Kerry. At least it'll offer them opposition from a different province before the decider anyway.
The Semi final pairings has a good traditional feel about it, All provincial champions & no back door teams to seen here.
Kerry v Mayo
Tipperary v Roscommon
I hope the Mayo fans are in early to offer their support.
Quote from: ross4life on August 01, 2011, 03:37:08 PM
The Semi final pairings has a good traditional feel about it, All provincial champions & no back door teams to seen here.
Kerry v Mayo
Tipperary v Roscommon
I hope the Mayo fans are in early to offer their support.
I intend flying home for the Semi, will be cheering on the Green over the Red and the Primrose & Blue.
Be great to have Tipp or the rossies in the AIF, be a good occasion for either countys supporters.
Unfortunately I don't think we'll be there to see them, Kerry have too many attacking options for our man to man marking
Quote from: ross4life on July 31, 2011, 08:19:27 PM
We'll see bunker. Apparently Tomas O'Shea said in a interview after the Limerick game that they had three weeks to get ready for Cork.
mabye Tomas was talking about his holidays in Kinsale!!!
If Mayo play with the same intensity as y/day,in 3 weeks time it will be some game
Possible Mayo match ups.
Higgins on Gooch, Cunniffe on Darran O'Sullivan, Alan Feeney (to come in for Caff) on Donaghy, Mort on Declan O'Sullivan, Richie Feeney on Walsh and Vaughan on Galvin. While Mort would be the best man for Galvin, he's also the best man for O'Sullivan and I know who I'd sooner see kept quiet. Higgins has the bit of cuteness for Gooch that Cunniffe wouldn't have, the out and out speed battle between Cunniffe and Darran O'Sullivan will be interesting too.
Should be a cracker alright - My biggest fear is that we havent had any games with real intensity for weeks - 4 weeks from MF to yesterday , to what mounted as a training game and now 3 weeks again til the Kerry v Mayo match. The structure of the championship will have to be altered. Kerry learned fcuk all about themselves yesterday - Gooch and Donaghy werent in the game atall. I hope they will burst into life for the SF. Paul Galvin didnt make a massive contribution but the run out will bring him on. There's a pile of talk about The Kerry midfield being poor but Maher & Sheehan did ok yesterday. Seamus Scanlon is coming good, Tommy Griffin is ready for a return too. I still think we have some depth in the squad if problems are exposed especially in the backs. Bohan can be tried and also Enright can fill in in the corner if Tom Sullivan has a poor show. All in all I'd be expecting a Kerry victory but not without a huge improvement in intensity and performance. Afterall this could be last throw of the dice for some of the senior members of the squad!
Is Darren not out with a hammer injury?
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 01, 2011, 11:29:29 PM
Is Darren not out with a hammer injury?
On Sport at 7 Jack said they need to wait 24-48 hours for Darran's injury to settle down so they can assess it properly.
Be a serious bonus for us if he was out
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 01, 2011, 11:49:00 PM
Be a serious bonus for us if he was out
Aye - for youse yes but disaster for us - he's really flying now. However I think Gooch will burst into life again any one of these days now - remember him v Dublin in the QF 2009?
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 01, 2011, 11:49:00 PM
Be a serious bonus for us if he was out
Along with Declan O'Sullivan has been Kerrys best forward his year so would definitely give Mayo a boost if he was out. Having said that Cooper and Donaghy have had quiet championship campaigns to date which would be ominous for Mayo.
Having said that if Mayo compete with the same level of intensity particularly around midfield and get enough runs at the Kerry defence you never know what could happen!
He really is flying
Hard for gooch to just turn it on, he's been average by his standards but as they say form in temporary, class is permanent, he's tormented us for close to a decade now
I would not be surprised if Mayo win this. We are an old team average age is 33. And we have had feck all good games. We struggled past a very over rated Cork team in Munster who were shown up yesterday. I think will not be up for Mayo.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 02, 2011, 01:08:57 AM
I would not be surprised if Mayo win this. We are an old team average age is 33. And we have had feck all good games. We struggled past a very over rated Cork team in Munster who were shown up yesterday. I think will not be up for Mayo.
Close there Kerry Mike, but still Kerry by 2-4 after Mayo sticking in it for 55-60 minutes.
I see reports this morning are saying that Darran O'Sullivan and Tommy Griffin should both be fit for the semi-final.
Big boost for Kerry.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on August 01, 2011, 11:19:56 PM
Possible Mayo match ups.
Higgins on Gooch,
Cunniffe on Darran O'Sullivan,
Alan Feeney (to come in for Caff) on Donaghy,
Mort on Declan O'Sullivan,
Richie Feeney on Walsh and
Vaughan on Galvin.
While Mort would be the best man for Galvin, he's also the best man for O'Sullivan and I know who I'd sooner see kept quiet. Higgins has the bit of cuteness for Gooch that Cunniffe wouldn't have, the out and out speed battle between Cunniffe and Darran O'Sullivan will be interesting too.
Some very interesting potential matchups there RedandGreenSniper, if it were up to me I would be having a serious look at the match-ups in the league game against Kerry in McHale park back in February.
It could be a case of horses for courses.
Cunniffe did awfully well on the Gooch and he looks to be one of our best man markers at the minute but if Darren is inside I would leave him to Higgins and Cunniffe on the Gooch.
Alan Feeney kept Donaghy relatively quiet in the league too so he could be the surprise inclusion as he is better in the air than Cafferkey. Cafferkey also did very well on Darren O Sullivan in the league but its hard to know will he start, he is a great guy to come in though.
Its going to be hard to pick!
There's talk of McGarrity going on donaghy, I hope this isn't the case.
He's not a full back and an AI semi is not the place to try him out there, our backs have proved themselves to date and yes it'll take a plan but I'm sure James can manage that.
I know people will go back to Brady in 06 but in fairness he got away with murder because we were so far behind.
Plus I'd also say that Kerry forward line has more options now than 06, the place to beat them is at midfield IMHO
The 2 O'Sullivans have been playing at full pelt for the last couple of months. I'd find it very hard to see them maintaining the best form they have been ever in right through until late September. On the other hand, the Gooch and Donaghy have yet to hit peak form this year.
My worry is that all 4 will be fully on top of their game on Aug 21st.
Quote from: blast05 on August 02, 2011, 12:36:11 PM
The 2 O'Sullivans have been playing at full pelt for the last couple of months. I'd find it very hard to see them maintaining the best form they have been ever in right through until late September. On the other hand, the Gooch and Donaghy have yet to hit peak form this year.
My worry is that all 4 will be fully on top of their game on Aug 21st.
Mayo may be able to contain most of the Kerry forwards but not all of the forwards for the whole game.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 31, 2011, 08:32:43 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on July 31, 2011, 08:29:08 PM
In o sheas defence he slipped a couple of times and for whatever reason there was a lot of players slipping across both games today.
And yesterday. Did they relay the pitch again after that concert?
They sure did and it looks like they made an arse of it. Lost count of the number of players who lost their footing over the course of the weekend.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on August 02, 2011, 03:55:11 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 31, 2011, 08:32:43 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on July 31, 2011, 08:29:08 PM
In o sheas defence he slipped a couple of times and for whatever reason there was a lot of players slipping across both games today.
And yesterday. Did they relay the pitch again after that concert?
They sure did and it looks like they made an arse of it. Lost count of the number of players who lost their footing over the course of the weekend.
Apes. And if you put in long studs you'll probably get shin splints AND a torn ACL. I'd be more pissed off about this than the odd stupid refereeing decision to be honest. It must be so frustrating as a player to be unable to keep your feet because they've fucked up the pitch.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 02, 2011, 12:28:23 PM
There's talk of McGarrity going on donaghy, I hope this isn't the case.
He's not a full back and an AI semi is not the place to try him out there, our backs have proved themselves to date and yes it'll take a plan but I'm sure James can manage that.
I know people will go back to Brady in 06 but in fairness he got away with murder because we were so far behind.
Plus I'd also say that Kerry forward line has more options now than 06, the place to beat them is at midfield IMHO
Nobody said that McGarrity is a full back, but he should be seriously condidered to go man to man on Star. If Kerry struggle in midfield and Donaghy goes to midfield, McGarrity will dominate him there too. I d say Donaghy would rather see the devil himself matching up with. While Ronan is not a conventional defender, Donaghy is not a normal full forward. Look what happened to Francie Bellew and other normal full backs. BB players have superior movement defending and McGarrity well used to Donaghy. And as Jack O Shea has pointed out you have to contest with Donaghy and if you can often the slightest touch and he doesn t secure possession. If you allow him just get the ball you re brown bread. We don t have a recognised defender in the panel who could compete with him and get the nudge in, so lets not be coddin ourselves like we did in 06.
Anyway it should have been done in 06 with Brady starting in midfield to get stuck into Darragh and keep it tight. Some of us said it at the time and I know it was considered. Obviuosly we were proved correct within minutes. Heaney never had a hope and neither will Caff or Feeney.
Quote from: moysider on August 02, 2011, 06:06:44 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 02, 2011, 12:28:23 PM
There's talk of McGarrity going on donaghy, I hope this isn't the case.
He's not a full back and an AI semi is not the place to try him out there, our backs have proved themselves to date and yes it'll take a plan but I'm sure James can manage that.
I know people will go back to Brady in 06 but in fairness he got away with murder because we were so far behind.
Plus I'd also say that Kerry forward line has more options now than 06, the place to beat them is at midfield IMHO
Nobody said that McGarrity is a full back, but he should be seriously condidered to go man to man on Star. If Kerry struggle in midfield and Donaghy goes to midfield, McGarrity will domunate him there too. I d say Donaghy would rather see the devil himself matching up with. While Ronan is not a conventional defender, Donaghy is not a normal full forward. Look what happened to Francie Bellew and other normal full backs. BB players have superior movement defending and McGarrity well used to Donaghy. And as Jack O Shea has pointed out you have to contest with Donaghy and if you can often the slightest touch and he doesn t secure possession. If you allow him just get the ball you re brown bread. We don t have a recognised defender in the panel who could compete with him and get the nudge in, so lets not be coddin ourselves like we did in 06.
Anyway it should have been done in 06 with Brady starting in midfield to get stuck into Darragh and keep it tight. Some of us said it at the time and I know it was considered. Obviuosly we were proved correct within minutes. Heaney never had a hope and neither will Caff or Feeney.
The bold above is the way to try to win this one. We need to win in the air in midfield which I think we can but more importantly we need to win the breaks. Mort on Galvin and maybe Freeman on Tomás. Win enough ball there and Donaghy will be brought out.
We have two good lads competing for FB, ditching both now for an experiment would be nuts and could send us backwards again.
Quote from: muppet on August 02, 2011, 06:46:52 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 02, 2011, 06:06:44 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 02, 2011, 12:28:23 PM
There's talk of McGarrity going on donaghy, I hope this isn't the case.
He's not a full back and an AI semi is not the place to try him out there, our backs have proved themselves to date and yes it'll take a plan but I'm sure James can manage that.
I know people will go back to Brady in 06 but in fairness he got away with murder because we were so far behind.
Plus I'd also say that Kerry forward line has more options now than 06, the place to beat them is at midfield IMHO
Nobody said that McGarrity is a full back, but he should be seriously condidered to go man to man on Star. If Kerry struggle in midfield and Donaghy goes to midfield, McGarrity will domunate him there too. I d say Donaghy would rather see the devil himself matching up with. While Ronan is not a conventional defender, Donaghy is not a normal full forward. Look what happened to Francie Bellew and other normal full backs. BB players have superior movement defending and McGarrity well used to Donaghy. And as Jack O Shea has pointed out you have to contest with Donaghy and if you can often the slightest touch and he doesn t secure possession. If you allow him just get the ball you re brown bread. We don t have a recognised defender in the panel who could compete with him and get the nudge in, so lets not be coddin ourselves like we did in 06.
Anyway it should have been done in 06 with Brady starting in midfield to get stuck into Darragh and keep it tight. Some of us said it at the time and I know it was considered. Obviuosly we were proved correct within minutes. Heaney never had a hope and neither will Caff or Feeney.
The bold above is the way to try to win this one. We need to win in the air in midfield which I think we can but more importantly we need to win the breaks. Mort on Galvin and maybe Freeman on Tomás. Win enough ball there and Donaghy will be brought out.
We have two good lads competing for FB, ditching both now for an experiment would be nuts and could send us backwards again.
God, that's a relief. I'm years reading on this board about Mayo's problems at full back and now all of a sudden we've two of them. Muppet a stóirín, you might be having a little bit of jam on it there.
If I were picking the team, I'd go with Moysider's suggestion. Tell McGarrity that his sole purpose for the next seventy minutes is to make Kieran Donaghy's life a misery. The O'Shea's can mind midfield. They'll be fine.
It'll be a good game, this.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on August 02, 2011, 08:41:22 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 02, 2011, 06:46:52 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 02, 2011, 06:06:44 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 02, 2011, 12:28:23 PM
There's talk of McGarrity going on donaghy, I hope this isn't the case.
He's not a full back and an AI semi is not the place to try him out there, our backs have proved themselves to date and yes it'll take a plan but I'm sure James can manage that.
I know people will go back to Brady in 06 but in fairness he got away with murder because we were so far behind.
Plus I'd also say that Kerry forward line has more options now than 06, the place to beat them is at midfield IMHO
Nobody said that McGarrity is a full back, but he should be seriously condidered to go man to man on Star. If Kerry struggle in midfield and Donaghy goes to midfield, McGarrity will domunate him there too. I d say Donaghy would rather see the devil himself matching up with. While Ronan is not a conventional defender, Donaghy is not a normal full forward. Look what happened to Francie Bellew and other normal full backs. BB players have superior movement defending and McGarrity well used to Donaghy. And as Jack O Shea has pointed out you have to contest with Donaghy and if you can often the slightest touch and he doesn t secure possession. If you allow him just get the ball you re brown bread. We don t have a recognised defender in the panel who could compete with him and get the nudge in, so lets not be coddin ourselves like we did in 06.
Anyway it should have been done in 06 with Brady starting in midfield to get stuck into Darragh and keep it tight. Some of us said it at the time and I know it was considered. Obviuosly we were proved correct within minutes. Heaney never had a hope and neither will Caff or Feeney.
The bold above is the way to try to win this one. We need to win in the air in midfield which I think we can but more importantly we need to win the breaks. Mort on Galvin and maybe Freeman on Tomás. Win enough ball there and Donaghy will be brought out.
We have two good lads competing for FB, ditching both now for an experiment would be nuts and could send us backwards again.
God, that's a relief. I'm years reading on this board about Mayo's problems at full back and now all of a sudden we've two of them. Muppet a stóirín, you might be having a little bit of jam on it there.
If I were picking the team, I'd go with Moysider's suggestion. Tell McGarrity that his sole purpose for the next seventy minutes is to make Kieran Donaghy's life a misery. The O'Shea's can mind midfield. They'll be fine.
It'll be a good game, this.
Jesus wept, even by our own legendary capacity for pessimism I fail to see how pointing out that we have two good lads competing for FB is over optimistic. We just beat the AI champions and our FB line kept the likes of Donncha O'Connor and Paul Kerrigan scoreless for the 2nd half. We must have been doing something right.
Quote from: muppet on August 02, 2011, 09:50:35 PM
Jesus wept, even by our own legendary capacity for pessimism I fail to see how pointing out that we have two good lads competing for FB is over optimistic. We just beat the AI champions and our FB line kept the likes of Donncha O'Connor and Paul Kerrigan scoreless for the 2nd half. We must have been doing something right.
My sentiments exactly.
Horan has been making the least possible number of changes since the Ruislip game and the positive results are there for all to see. He has been playing a blinder himself in the process.
I'm not in BS mode either. I do rate him in the same class as Jack O'Connor and Mickey Harte and, for me, they are two of the shrewdest game readers in the business.
A lot is going to depend on the tactical battle on the sideline.
I just can't see him slotting Ronan McGarrity in at full back. To do so would upset the understanding and cohesion of the entire defence, which he has painstakingly been developing. Right now, the backs are playing as a unit and if it were to come to a straight shoot out between Star and McGar, the Kerryman will hold all the aces. He will be playing in a position he is accustomed to; McGar would be like a fish out of water or a lighthouse in a bog-brilliant but useless.
I can see someone, say Trevor, drifting back to act as sweeper but I expect Horan
to do everything possible to keep the shape of the back division intact. I fully accept that Donaghy is a class player and he can trouble any defence but he first needs the ball before he can make use of it.
That ball will have to be dropped in on him from outfield for his aerial ability to come into play and it's out there the spancil must be put on him - not on the edge of the square.
"It's guided missiles he'll be wanting, ma'am, not bloody Hail Marys."
I don't see the Kerry midfielders and half backs getting the time and space to drop the ball in on top of him with pin point accuracy as happened in the '06 final.
Right now, I don't see Mcgar getting a starting place either. The present incumbents are doing grand and are well able to get stuck in and throw their weight about to good effect. I know plans have to be made to counter Kerry's dangermen but not at the expense of forgetting your own game plan.
So McGarrity is playing fullback. Kerry do a bit of chopping and changing and suddenly Donaghy is midfield and Declan O Sullivan is playing full forward. What do we do then.
Quote from: criostlinn on August 02, 2011, 11:11:16 PM
So McGarrity is playing fullback. Kerry do a bit of chopping and changing and suddenly Donaghy is midfield and Declan O Sullivan is playing full forward. What do we do then.
Pray. Like most defences do when marking that kerry forward line. I think mayo people underestimate the sheer increase in class from last sunday in the kerry forward line.
If Mayo win midfield they have a chance.
If they lose midfield they will definitely lose.
Thats the key battle because kerry only need 40% possession to win.
Quote from: muppet on August 02, 2011, 09:50:35 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on August 02, 2011, 08:41:22 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 02, 2011, 06:46:52 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 02, 2011, 06:06:44 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 02, 2011, 12:28:23 PM
There's talk of McGarrity going on donaghy, I hope this isn't the case.
He's not a full back and an AI semi is not the place to try him out there, our backs have proved themselves to date and yes it'll take a plan but I'm sure James can manage that.
I know people will go back to Brady in 06 but in fairness he got away with murder because we were so far behind.
Plus I'd also say that Kerry forward line has more options now than 06, the place to beat them is at midfield IMHO
Nobody said that McGarrity is a full back, but he should be seriously condidered to go man to man on Star. If Kerry struggle in midfield and Donaghy goes to midfield, McGarrity will domunate him there too. I d say Donaghy would rather see the devil himself matching up with. While Ronan is not a conventional defender, Donaghy is not a normal full forward. Look what happened to Francie Bellew and other normal full backs. BB players have superior movement defending and McGarrity well used to Donaghy. And as Jack O Shea has pointed out you have to contest with Donaghy and if you can often the slightest touch and he doesn t secure possession. If you allow him just get the ball you re brown bread. We don t have a recognised defender in the panel who could compete with him and get the nudge in, so lets not be coddin ourselves like we did in 06.
Anyway it should have been done in 06 with Brady starting in midfield to get stuck into Darragh and keep it tight. Some of us said it at the time and I know it was considered. Obviuosly we were proved correct within minutes. Heaney never had a hope and neither will Caff or Feeney.
The bold above is the way to try to win this one. We need to win in the air in midfield which I think we can but more importantly we need to win the breaks. Mort on Galvin and maybe Freeman on Tomás. Win enough ball there and Donaghy will be brought out.
We have two good lads competing for FB, ditching both now for an experiment would be nuts and could send us backwards again.
God, that's a relief. I'm years reading on this board about Mayo's problems at full back and now all of a sudden we've two of them. Muppet a stóirín, you might be having a little bit of jam on it there.
If I were picking the team, I'd go with Moysider's suggestion. Tell McGarrity that his sole purpose for the next seventy minutes is to make Kieran Donaghy's life a misery. The O'Shea's can mind midfield. They'll be fine.
It'll be a good game, this.
Jesus wept, even by our own legendary capacity for pessimism I fail to see how pointing out that we have two good lads competing for FB is over optimistic. We just beat the AI champions and our FB line kept the likes of Donncha O'Connor and Paul Kerrigan scoreless for the 2nd half. We must have been doing something right.
This is like 06 all over again. At the time sadly a majority of people were bullish and thought Heaney could mark Donaghy even though it was obvious he wouldn't. They d reached an AI final and had done well with likes of Alan Brogan or Mossy Quinn or whoever but Donaghy is different and you need something different.
We might have only conceded a handful of points last few second half, but if likes of Donaghy, Gooch, the o Sullivans and Galvin get the 06 treatment it ll be the same result - lights out before half time. How McGar on Donaghy is an experiment is beyond me. Caff or Feeney is just a leap of faith and leaps of faith shouldn t happen at this level and thank God from what I ve seen from this management so far it wont.
A leap of faith is better than lunacy.
Caff or Feeney with McLaughlin/Freeman sweeping is the sensible way to go. 2006 is gone. That day we were cleaned at midfield and that was the source of the quality ball into Donaghy. The same happened in 2004. It is all about the quality of ball going in. Look what Andy Moran did to Michael Sheilds with good ball.
Midfield is where the war needs to be and McGarrity may well be needed there.
Quote from: criostlinn on August 02, 2011, 11:11:16 PM
So McGarrity is playing fullback. Kerry do a bit of chopping and changing and suddenly Donaghy is midfield and Declan O Sullivan is playing full forward. What do we do then.
We plan for that. Obviously McGar is not going to end up marking Dec O S. And ye know something if DOS ends up full forward we might be doin ok. The disappointing thing here now is that people are content to approach this game in the same old way. If we do we get beat in the same old way. Like we have for 60 years thinking we were the best but putting no thought into it. Disappointing to see likes of Lar dismiss the McGarrity thing. You ve been around a bit. Just assuming that Ronan would be a 'fish out of water' marking Donaghy. Winning teams like Kerry and Tyrone are never afraid of a bold move but obviously it s too soon for us. Another 60 years maybe.
Quote from: muppet on August 02, 2011, 11:45:37 PM
A leap of faith is better than lunacy.
Caff or Feeney with McLaughlin/Freeman sweeping is the sensible way to go. 2006 is gone. That day we were cleaned at midfield and that was the source of the quality ball into Donaghy. The same happened in 2004. It is all about the quality of ball going in. Look what Andy Moran did to Michael Sheilds with good ball.
Midfield is where the war needs to be and McGarrity may well be needed there.
McGarrity will be needed but unlikely to feature if he has to play club this weekend with the nature of his injury.
Even with Ronan available to mark Donaghy it goes without saying a sweeper is deployed to cut out ball. And 2006 is not gone. We re in much the same position as we were after dublin semi in 06. The Kerry team is not as good but their forwards could still kill you in minutes if you re soft enough to give them the same old. We don t have 2 good fullbacks tussling for the 1 position. Both will give it everything but in last 2 matches one of them couldn t cope with Shine and the other was stretched until switched with Cunn on Sunday.
Quote from: moysider on August 02, 2011, 11:46:00 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on August 02, 2011, 11:11:16 PM
So McGarrity is playing fullback. Kerry do a bit of chopping and changing and suddenly Donaghy is midfield and Declan O Sullivan is playing full forward. What do we do then.
We plan for that. Obviously McGar is not going to end up marking Dec O S. And ye know something if DOS ends up full forward we might be doin ok. The disappointing thing here now is that people are content to approach this game in the same old way. If we do we get beat in the same old way. Like we have for 60 years thinking we were the best but putting no thought into it. Disappointing to see likes of Lar dismiss the McGarrity thing. You ve been around a bit. Just assuming that Ronan would be a 'fish out of water' marking Donaghy. Winning teams like Kerry and Tyrone are never afraid of a bold move but obviously it s too soon for us. Another 60 years maybe.
Moysider, this all just sounds like a bit of panic to me. As muppet said the problem in 2006 was further out the field. If our half backs and half forwards perform the same the next day as they did that day, you could stick 3 Ronan's on Donaghy and it would'nt make a blind bit of difference. Your plan involves playing with 5 natural defenders instead of 6. Kerry have moved Donaghy in and out of the full forward line all year, so you say plan for this. Whay kind of plan have you in mind.
Quote from: moysider on August 03, 2011, 12:04:28 AM
Quote from: muppet on August 02, 2011, 11:45:37 PM
A leap of faith is better than lunacy.
Caff or Feeney with McLaughlin/Freeman sweeping is the sensible way to go. 2006 is gone. That day we were cleaned at midfield and that was the source of the quality ball into Donaghy. The same happened in 2004. It is all about the quality of ball going in. Look what Andy Moran did to Michael Sheilds with good ball.
Midfield is where the war needs to be and McGarrity may well be needed there.
McGarrity will be needed but unlikely to feature if he has to play club this weekend with the nature of his injury.
Even with Ronan available to mark Donaghy it goes without saying a sweeper is deployed to cut out ball. And 2006 is not gone. We re in much the same position as we were after dublin semi in 06. The Kerry team is not as good but their forwards could still kill you in minutes if you re soft enough to give them the same old. We don t have 2 good fullbacks tussling for the 1 position. Both will give it everything but in last 2 matches one of them couldn t cope with Shine and the other was stretched until switched with Cunn on Sunday.
Donaghy will get a few scores, so will Gooch and Declan O'Sullivan. A few other Kerry players will score. Each time they score, particularly early on, a section of the Mayo support will scream in panic. I hope the team and the management ignore this.
The backs job will be to keep the Kerry score down to something we can more than match at the other end. We did it against Cork, we can do it against Kerry. I don't care if Donaghy scores a hatrick as long as we score more than them.
I hope a goal is celebrated like McHale's in 1981 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yZ0vbvguD4&feature=related
Eugene, one of the cutest f**kers ever to walk onto a pitch
You could get very paranoid, but the videos of Mayo hammering Kerry in the 1996 All-Ireland Semi-Final appear to have been removed from Youtube.
Quote from: muppet on August 03, 2011, 12:39:34 AM
Quote from: moysider on August 03, 2011, 12:04:28 AM
Quote from: muppet on August 02, 2011, 11:45:37 PM
A leap of faith is better than lunacy.
Caff or Feeney with McLaughlin/Freeman sweeping is the sensible way to go. 2006 is gone. That day we were cleaned at midfield and that was the source of the quality ball into Donaghy. The same happened in 2004. It is all about the quality of ball going in. Look what Andy Moran did to Michael Sheilds with good ball.
Midfield is where the war needs to be and McGarrity may well be needed there.
McGarrity will be needed but unlikely to feature if he has to play club this weekend with the nature of his injury.
Even with Ronan available to mark Donaghy it goes without saying a sweeper is deployed to cut out ball. And 2006 is not gone. We re in much the same position as we were after dublin semi in 06. The Kerry team is not as good but their forwards could still kill you in minutes if you re soft enough to give them the same old. We don t have 2 good fullbacks tussling for the 1 position. Both will give it everything but in last 2 matches one of them couldn t cope with Shine and the other was stretched until switched with Cunn on Sunday.
Donaghy will get a few scores, so will Gooch and Declan O'Sullivan. A few other Kerry players will score. Each time they score, particularly early on, a section of the Mayo support will scream in panic. I hope the team and the management ignore this.
The backs job will be to keep the Kerry score down to something we can more than match at the other end. We did it against Cork, we can do it against Kerry. I don't care if Donaghy scores a hatrick as long as we score more than them.
No. We wont score more than them in a shoot out. Tyrone realised this years ago. You make sure they don t score much to give yourself a chance. Not only did they bring back Justin Mchahon to do a job on Walsh they had McGinley back in front of the full back line as security. And they did it from the very start. Only when they had frustrated Kerry and largely broke their resolve did they go about winning the game. Meath did something similar to Cork in 99. It s all been done before. I hope to Christ we have learned. 06 is now more relevant than Cork match the last day. I m not sure a fully fit Cork forward line would pose anything near the threat as Kerry do. We could dominate midfield and still be beat up a stick. Roscomon played a good honest game the last day but never had a hope in a shoot out against a wily old team that can pick a few scores and then kill ye on the counter when you re forced to chase it. If Donaghy gets a hatrick - even if Kerry altogether score 3 then it s the same old story. Might be wrong but don t recall Tyrone giving Kerry goals and winning. Kerry could beat us on points but if we give them goals forget about it. And believe me, they will be looking for goals early to win this one. Everybody knows now that Mayo do a good second half - Kerry will be lookin to be comfortable at half time.
On a more positive note ( and I am optimistic about it all actually - I just don t want to see the old approach any more) Horan and his set up has these players in great shape. I dont think anybody has remarked how well we stayed the distance the last day against one of the most feared physical team ever. Compare that to the anaemic condition of our teams since 06 when the business started. That has been a huge factor. If any team/athlete has been prepared properly they have the confidence to perform and we re seeing that. We re not in a bad place at all, but I think we need to be bold now and go for it. Kerry and Jack O Connor would love nothing better than 06 over again. He ll know if he gets Tyrone or even Donegal in the final though he ll be facing a very different set of circumstances.
Not the semi final we were expecting, but after Mayo's display on Sunday one we won't be taking lightly. Kerry were sluggish enough at times on sunday, worryingly 2 of the main culprits were Gooch and Donaghy, so they'll have to sharpen up certainly.
This talk of McGarrity going fullback is nonsense in my view, Cafferkey was excellent on Sunday and looks like he is capable enough in the air aswell. Whether to leave him there if Declan Sullivan goes in, is another thing.
We've had the indian sign over Mayo since 1997,but all good things come to an end..all I heard from Cork fans last week was "nobody but Kerry has beaten us since 2004", so I'd be certainly optimistic on our chances, but we need to step it up a bit.
What about playing McGarrity as a sweeper in front of the full back line? Then the full back could do the defending and McGarrity contest the high balls in.
If Donaghy was then moved to midfield, McG could just follow hiim up.
Quote from: ONeill on August 03, 2011, 12:48:28 AM
I hope a goal is celebrated like McHale's in 1981 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yZ0vbvguD4&feature=related
ya-only if it puts us 5 up with time up(not like 1st half '81!)
Mayo has to win midfield in terms of primary possession and breaking ball. Despite my reservations about them after the Connacht final the brother have constantly improved and the likes of Moran etc will eat breaks. Its vital that when Kerry win any ball out there that they are harassed so if the supply goes in to Donaghy at all its disrupted and of poor quality. Playing McGarrity back there on him is not realistic. The Brady example is a poor one. The match was over as a contest and the ref let DB away with murder. Like I said before the Cork game this is a different type of Mayo side. They wont lie down and cave in after a Kerry blitz like in the past. Horan is very defensively minded and will concentrate on smothering Kerry forwards and midfield and then hitting scores on the counter attack. Tyrone v Kerry semi in 03 is an example of how it may go. Not pretty but effective. Mayo have steadily improved and come through serious tests in the process in all sorts of weather. Kerry (except for the 2nd half of the Cork match) have coasted this far. Mayo therefore are far more battle hardened this year. History doesnt always have to be repeated. Mayo have a real chance of causing another upset here.
Quote from: Turf Wars on August 03, 2011, 05:38:38 AM
What about playing McGarrity as a sweeper in front of the full back line? Then the full back could do the defending and McGarrity contest the high balls in.
If Donaghy was then moved to midfield, McG could just follow hiim up.
This is about the only scenario I would live with. The problem is who do you drop? A corner forward? A midfielder?
Ross Matt hit the nail on the head, we have to win the middle third if we want a chance of winning. Regardless of who we put on any particular Kerry forward, we will not completlely contain them over 70 mins if they get any regular supply of ball into them. They have to impose themselves from the word go, especially in midfield, and prevent Kerry from their trademark lightening start a-la first half v Cork and v Limerick.
From the Cork game, despite the win Mayo still have a couple of things to sort out. Whether to start Caff or Feeney at FB, Aiden O'Shea's decision making(pass or run with it, especially when there are good passing options near him) support play in the forwards (thought on Sunday there were numerous occasions when Freeman and Moran won ball around 30m out from goal on the wing but no player made any direct support runs inside them toward goal) and some of the long deliveries in to the FF line were not even 50/50, going well over the target's head. Freeman, O'Connor, Doc or Varley would thrive off long, lower ball into space towards the wings that they can run on to. Freeman is really the only guy that can win high dropping ball. If this is a tactic they are going to use they will have to leave him inside.
Quote from: Turf Wars on August 03, 2011, 05:38:38 AM
What about playing McGarrity as a sweeper in front of the full back line? Then the full back could do the defending and McGarrity contest the high balls in.
If Donaghy was then moved to midfield, McG could just follow hiim up.
I wouldn't be surprised if that is what happens.
McGarrity is worth a place on this or any other Mayo side I have seen but I think it would be a big mistake to break up the O'Sheas' partnership right now.
I can see Kerry going all out to set up a replay of the start of the '06 final. In the first few minutes, if Donaghy manages to out field our FB and then plant it, it could well be a case of déjà vu.
A Donaghy goal in the opening minutes has to be avoided at all costs.
We could well do without a goal from any of them and not just in the opening minutes. I think it's vital to have the brothers in midfield. They have a great mutual understanding, are good fielders and can 'stick it up to them' with the best of them as David Brady might say.
McGar is developing into a great all rounder at a relatively late stage of his career, as did his mentor Liam McHale. But I don't think he has the biff bang factor to the same extent as the O'Sheas.
I don't know who to drop to accommodate, him if he starts, but I hope it won't be Aidan or Seamus.
I cant see any scenario and I actually cant decide if you guys are being serious or not about putting McGarity fullback to go man to man against Donaghy and I was shocked to even read the suggestion. The reason it sort of worked for Brady is 2006 was because Brady actually bullied, fouled and knocked lumps out of Star for the length of time he marked him which you would not normally get away with. The reason Brady got away with it was because Mayo were so far behind and trying desperately to get back into the game so the referee seemed willing to let it go. It was a one trick pony that can never be repeated.
If anyone thinks for a second that McGarity would have the same appetite, temperament and hunger to beat Donaghy (into the ground) that Brady had they are deluded. If you think that McGarity would even know what to do defending on the back foot with a forward running at him then I dont know what to say. Its one of the craziest ideas that I have read but maybe it is a wind up and I have taken the bate (as usual).
In my view the only guy that would be capable to match Donaghy in the air is Alan Feeney who did a good job in the league. Feeney would be well used to marking a big full forward as he trains against Barry Moran and club level so is well used of fielding high balls against a 6ft 5" full forward. Feeney also plays on the edge hitting and nudging at the right times, but gets away with it and IMO he has the best hands in the Mayo defence so I dont believe anyone else would be as up to the task.
Obviously may need someone to sweep in front of him and act as an extra defender. Maybe the guy is McLoughlin but personally I would play Richie Feeney as the sweeper and extra defender and I would get McLoughlin to filter back to wing back. As brothers and playing beside one another at club level Richie and Alan Feeney would know each other inside out so Richie should be best to judge the breaking ball in the full back line and we have seen that he can throw the odd shoulder and get the body in the way of anything that would get past Vaughan at centre back. If that role was not working for whatever reason then a switch with McLoughlin would put Feeney back to wing back and McLoughlin as the free man or sweeper to use his pace to get the ball out of defence.
I think our best chance is to line up as follows:
Paul Galvin Declan O'Sullivan Donnchadh Walsh
Trev Mort Vaughan Kevin McLoughlin(10) (Or Alan Feeney)
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Alan Feeney (or McLoughlin )
Colm Cooper Kieran Donaghy Darren O'Sullivan
Cunniffe Alan Feeney Keith Higgins
I would also suggest that of Donaghy went out to bail out midfield that McLoughlin would go to back to wing forward and Richie Feeney to go back on Walsh. That switch could also happen even sooner if Alan Feeney is holding Donaghy
McGarrity going to FB should not be even considered. I had heard a rumour that in '06 he'd been tried there in training but that never materialised on the day. Maybe it was decided at that time it was a bad idea?!?! Feeney, having the best recent record on him should probabaly get the nod along with designating someone to sweep up in front of or double team Donaghy win he hits the deck. But lets not get obsessed with Donaghy, Kerry's best players so far this year have been the 2 O'Sullivans. Take our eyes off them and they'll do more damage than Donaghy ever will!
Two things.
1. The argument for McGarrity on Donaghy is not based on David Brady in 2006. It's based on a notion that a basketballer is physically best equipped to mark a basketballer. To compare McGarrity to Brady is nuts. Nonsense. Rubbish.
2. It's no wonder Mayo don't win All-Irelands. The Kerry game is more than a fortnight away and already we're at daggers drawn over a simple switch. If McGarrity goes in fullback it'll be the end of human life on the planet. Only McGarrity going in fullback can save human life on the planet.
People need to step back and calm down. There is no other county where there is so little unanimity on how to rate players. In Mayo you're always either the best ever or the worst ever. There's never any balance.
Maybe McGarrity man-marking Donaghy will win Mayo the game. Maybe him not man-marking Donaghy will cost Mayo the game. I don't know. And I'll tell you this: neither does anyone else.
Horan will have to make a decision as best as he can and then endure the second guessing of high stool prophets for the rest of his life if it goes wrong. He's the one that has to carry the can. The best of luck to him.
I love the obsession with Donaghy. I think Cooper is going to burst into life soon and he will inflict more damage than Kieran if he gets going. saying that Donaghy is a better footballer now then he was in 2006. Interesting times ahead
Feck Donaghy - he's having a poor year. Anyway I don't think McG would be ready for 70 or even 55 mins from the way he's only played about 30 mins in the last 3 games combined. Even though I'd have Feeney as a better FB than Caff Donaghy the last day (and pretty much all yr) spent a lot of time out the field and I feel Caff would be better able to follow him out.
I'd be much more concerned about who picks up the two O'Sullivan's (if Darran is fit).
In '04 and '06 yes the high ball caused us damage but all the serious work was done by the Kerry midfield and Declan O'Sullivan at CF. Only BJP competed on our kickouts in '06 and after ht Jack O'Connor sorted this. We need to win midfield and the breaking ball just like we've done against Galway, Ros and Cork this year. Thats where we have won those games.
I think Mayo have to win the middle third. Mayo's backs may well do a good job, but I simply can't see them shutting down a forward line like that. There are at least 4 potent scorers, and two workhorses. Then Sheehan's well able to chip in from the back, as is T. O'Sé and Brosnan.
No, I think if Mayo are to win this game it'll be because of the O'Shea's Dillon, Moran, Mortimer and co dominating the middle third. It's a big ask, but it's possible. doing anything that might concede superiority there, in a bid to nullify one man would be a mistake. Kerry have evolved from that 'hit Donaghy with everything' because Tyrone showed them it can be disrupted. Now they mix it up. You're not sure if it's going to come through Declan O'Sullivan, passing or carrying, a long ball to Donaghy, a direct low ball to Gooch, or whatever. unless you can man up on each of them and take them out of it, there's no point concentrating on just one of them.
Win the ball out the field, and make sure your forwards take their chances.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on August 03, 2011, 12:14:33 PM
Two things.
1. The argument for McGarrity on Donaghy is not based on David Brady in 2006. It's based on a notion that a basketballer is physically best equipped to mark a basketballer. To compare McGarrity to Brady is nuts. Nonsense. Rubbish.
2. It's no wonder Mayo don't win All-Irelands. The Kerry game is more than a fortnight away and already we're at daggers drawn over a simple switch. If McGarrity goes in fullback it'll be the end of human life on the planet. Only McGarrity going in fullback can save human life on the planet.
People need to step back and calm down. There is no other county where there is so little unanimity on how to rate players. In Mayo you're always either the best ever or the worst ever. There's never any balance.
Maybe McGarrity man-marking Donaghy will win Mayo the game. Maybe him not man-marking Donaghy will cost Mayo the game. I don't know. And I'll tell you this: neither does anyone else.
Horan will have to make a decision as best as he can and then endure the second guessing of high stool prophets for the rest of his life if it goes wrong. He's the one that has to carry the can. The best of luck to him.
I dont agree Iolar, and I think that first part is ridiculous to suggest that just because someone has basketball experience that they could defend against another player with basketball experience even though it would be in a completely different discipline? If thats the case why dont we go up to Ballina and find Deora Marsh or any of the American immigrants that have played a bit of basketball and give them a jersey and see how they get on against Donaghy? :D
IMO the Brady comparison is completely valid as Brady and McGarity are both mid fielders being called on to do a job against Donaghy at full back. Often Nicolas Murphy was suggested of being given the same role and Brady would be an obvious comparison there too.
Also your rant about the poor unanimity anmoung Mayo supporters and daggers drawn at such a simple switch is a little annoying considering the reason we have lost to Kerry in the past was mainly due to the fact that Mayo didnt learn or change tactics to deal with the Kerry attack. We should all keep our head in the sand and not discuss it at all shall we?
And I am not overplaying the Donaghy factor at all, I would be happy with the rest of the Mayo defence I named being best able to contain their opponents and a sweeper may clog up the defence and prevent Kerry attacking down the middle, which was the other reason they destroyed us in the past. But maybe that one is another thing we shouldnt bother discussing? ;)
Quote from: AbbeySider on August 03, 2011, 12:46:06 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on August 03, 2011, 12:14:33 PM
Two things.
1. The argument for McGarrity on Donaghy is not based on David Brady in 2006. It's based on a notion that a basketballer is physically best equipped to mark a basketballer. To compare McGarrity to Brady is nuts. Nonsense. Rubbish.
2. It's no wonder Mayo don't win All-Irelands. The Kerry game is more than a fortnight away and already we're at daggers drawn over a simple switch. If McGarrity goes in fullback it'll be the end of human life on the planet. Only McGarrity going in fullback can save human life on the planet.
People need to step back and calm down. There is no other county where there is so little unanimity on how to rate players. In Mayo you're always either the best ever or the worst ever. There's never any balance.
Maybe McGarrity man-marking Donaghy will win Mayo the game. Maybe him not man-marking Donaghy will cost Mayo the game. I don't know. And I'll tell you this: neither does anyone else.
Horan will have to make a decision as best as he can and then endure the second guessing of high stool prophets for the rest of his life if it goes wrong. He's the one that has to carry the can. The best of luck to him.
I dont agree Iolar, and I think that first part is ridiculous to suggest that just because someone has basketball experience that they could defend against another player with basketball experience even though it would be in a completely different discipline? If thats the case why dont we go up to Ballina and find Deora Marsh or any of the American immigrants that have played a bit of basketball and give them a jersey and see how they get on against Donaghy? :D
IMO the Brady comparison is completely valid as Brady and McGarity are both mid fielders being called on to do a job against Donaghy at full back. Often Nicolas Murphy was suggested of being given the same role and Brady would be an obvious comparison there too.
Also your rant about the poor unanimity anmoung Mayo supporters and daggers drawn at such a simple switch is a little annoying considering the reason we have lost to Kerry in the past was mainly due to the fact that Mayo didnt learn or change tactics to deal with the Kerry attack. We should all keep our head in the sand and not discuss it at all shall we?
And I am not overplaying the Donaghy factor at all, I would be happy with the rest of the Mayo defence I named being best able to contain their opponents and a sweeper may clog up the defence and prevent Kerry attacking down the middle, which was the other reason they destroyed us in the past. But maybe that one is another thing we shouldnt bother discussing? ;)
Deora Marsh must be in his late 40's by now. Personally I think we should not alter the set up of the team at all, in 1997 we were forced to do this when Dermot Flanagan had to limp off and it devistated the shape and coherence of the team. I know JM was a little slow in his decisions that day and that was a mid-match situation, but the principle holds true. We should stick with what works, Kerry have more than one forward and more than one top forward at that. So what if we mark Star out of the game and for the Gooch or someone else to score two or three instead. We need to dominate the centre, and from the start this time. Lets frustrate Kerry, thats what Tyrone do, then take the game to Kerry.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 03, 2011, 12:59:01 PM
Deora Marsh must be in his late 40's by now. Personally I think we should not alter the set up of the team at all, in 1997 we were forced to do this when Dermot Flanagan had to limp off and it devistated the shape and coherence of the team. I know JM was a little slow in his decisions that day and that was a mid-match situation, but the principle holds true. We should stick with what works, Kerry have more than one forward and more than one top forward at that. So what if we mark Star out of the game and for the Gooch or someone else to score two or three instead. We need to dominate the centre, and from the start this time. Lets frustrate Kerry, thats what Tyrone do, then take the game to Kerry.
Thats all fine mayogodhelpus but I still believe that Kerrys strongest third is their attack so playing a sweeper to stop attacks down the heart of our defence and giving Alan Feeney a game is not necessarily changing the coherence of the team as Alan Feeney started every other game apart from the Cork game. I think its only reasonable.
I do believe that we can win the midfield battle and I also believe that our forwards can seriously trouble the Kerry defence for once, but it would be naive to think that we can just turn up and go for an orthodox 15v15 and try and out shoot Kerry on the scoreboard.
It is 2011 and we have lads sweating about 2006.
In 2006 we were all covering our eyes paranoid about 2004.
In 2004 we wanted revenge for 1997.
In 1997 we were still sore about 1996.
In the 1996 replay we were sore about the 1996 draw (even Jinxy ad Hardy are still sore about 1996 and they won!).
In 1989 we were going to end a 38 year famine.
Is there any chance we take this game and this team on their own merits and assess this Kerry threat on their own merits and stop looking back?
The best team won in 2004 and 2006. No question about it and there is no obvious easy fix that would have changed that. Now we appear to be better than then and they appear to have come back to the pack slightly. Lets take it from there.
Tyrone frustrated Kerry in 2008 because the Kingdom completely flopped on the sidelines. They hammered Tyrone in the first half (Dara esp) but thought the twin towers route was indestructible. When it was obvious that Tyrone had a plan for that, Kerry continued to believe it was only a matter of time.
Now Kerry utilise both (running game and long ball) often to devastating effect.
If Mayo can work their balls off in defence (as they did against Cork) and win a smattering of breaking ball around the middle, they are left with the one aspect of their game you simply cannot coach in 3 weeks - maximising their scoring chances.
So I don't think the winning of this game is in defence or the middle third - seriously hard work can see to that and they showed against Cork that they can put that required effort in . If Mayo can post a 17+ tally they'll give it a fair lash.
Quote from: ONeill on August 03, 2011, 01:18:40 PM
Tyrone frustrated Kerry in 2008 because the Kingdom completely flopped on the sidelines. They hammered Tyrone in the first half (Dara esp) but thought the twin towers route was indestructible. When it was obvious that Tyrone had a plan for that, Kerry continued to believe it was only a matter of time.
Now Kerry utilise both (running game and long ball) often to devastating effect.
If Mayo can work their balls off in defence (as they did against Cork) and win a smattering of breaking ball around the middle, they are left with the one aspect of their game you simply cannot coach in 3 weeks - maximising their scoring chances.
So I don't think the winning of this game is in defence or the middle third - seriously hard work can see to that and they showed against Cork that they can put that required effort in . If Mayo can post a 17+ tally they'll give it a fair lash.
If Mayo score 17+ points they will be in with a fair lash, but I would suggest that to do that they'll have to win at least 55-60% in the middle third. Problem is, if Kerry are on the ball (which is the other variable, Kerry might well be off the pace for a while), they can score 3-10 on 40% possession. nonetheless, if Mayo win 60% of the ball, and score 2-10, 2-12 something like that, I think they have a right good chance. In fact if you gave me both of those scenarios right now, I'd back Mayo.
I can see them doing well in the possession stakes, but I'm not sure if I can see them scoring 16-18-20 points total. I'll be picking Kerry in this one, but I think it's there a good bit of unknown about Kerry. Are Kerry the team we saw in the first 35 v Cork? If so, they'll beat Mayo by 10 points. Or are they the team we saw in the second half v Cork? If so, Mayo will beat them.
I think they're closer to the former, but not as good as that. Their movement in that 35 minutes was incredible. I think they'll be under prepared in terms of matches, and I think it'll be close enough. I'll probably go Kerry by 4.
Quote from: ONeill on August 03, 2011, 01:18:40 PM
Tyrone frustrated Kerry in 2008 because the Kingdom completely flopped on the sidelines. They hammered Tyrone in the first half (Dara esp) but thought the twin towers route was indestructible. When it was obvious that Tyrone had a plan for that, Kerry continued to believe it was only a matter of time.
Now Kerry utilise both (running game and long ball) often to devastating effect.
If Mayo can work their balls off in defence (as they did against Cork) and win a smattering of breaking ball around the middle, they are left with the one aspect of their game you simply cannot coach in 3 weeks - maximising their scoring chances.
So I don't think the winning of this game is in defence or the middle third - seriously hard work can see to that and they showed against Cork that they can put that required effort in . If Mayo can post a 17+ tally they'll give it a fair lash.
So ONeill what do you think of our forwards?
Cillian O'Conner - Frees, gaining in confidence and popping a few from play.
Freeman - Potential freetaker and good for a goal, huge workrate.
Doherty - Goal potential is huge.
Alan Dillion - One of the best forwards in the country, reliable.
Andy Moran - Never has a game where he doesn't bust a gut, never gives up, drives the team on.
Enda Varley - Can take the odd free, steady so far.
Kevin McGloughin - Shown that he has the bravery and pace to take on the opposition defence.
If they line up as they did against Cork, not counting the move of Moran and Freeman, it'll be along the lines of
O'Connor on Killian Young Freeman on Marc O'Sé Varley on Tom O'Sullivan
McLoughlin on O'Sé Dillon on Brosnan Moran on O'Mahony
I'd really only fancy Dillon and Moran there to be honest, and I think Killian Young might come out onto McLoughlin with O'Sé taking Moran. O'Mahony was poor against Limerick, and young Enright might be okay on O'Connor from open play.
Capable forwards but what I'm saying is it will be all down to Mayo having one of those days when everything they hit goes over. Mayo are a 1-13 type of side but don't appear to concede much. Kerry rarely post a sub 15 score in Croke Park but Down showed it can be done.
I'm hopeful that Mayo's famed second half form coupled with Kerry's suspect defence when tiredness sets in against a forward unit prepared to run at them (see Munster Final) means that a close game is on the cards. If Mayo are in touch at half time (and it can be done - 15 men behind the ball first 35!) put the Kingdom on the back foot in the second half and it might expose the same frailty Cork did.
Quote from: ONeill on August 03, 2011, 02:06:13 PM
Capable forwards but what I'm saying is it will be all down to Mayo having one of those days when everything they hit goes over. Mayo are a 1-13 type of side but don't appear to concede much. Kerry rarely post a sub 15 score in Croke Park but Down showed it can be done.
I'm hopeful that Mayo's famed second half form coupled with Kerry's suspect defence when tiredness sets in against a forward unit prepared to run at them (see Munster Final) means that a close game is on the cards. If Mayo are in touch at half time (and it can be done - 15 men behind the ball first 35!) put the Kingdom on the back foot in the second half and it might expose the same frailty Cork did.
+1
Quote from: kevmy on August 03, 2011, 12:35:27 PM
Feck Donaghy - he's having a poor year.
He was exceptional in the two games prior to last Sunday. How does one bad game change his year into a poor one?
I hope the same team starts again the next day save for one change, Doherty back on.
Varley can do a job on Doneghy and if things are bleak then MacGarrity could come on in mid-field and Seamus O'Shea could move back.
Having said all that, the problem with Mayo teams in the past was too much fear and respect for the like of Kerry which led to a type of freeze in the early parts of match's.
This current crop have no fear of anyone, no tactics or switch's can account for a fearless approach in a team. Long may it continue.
Varley can do a job on Donaghy? Which Varley is that?
Meant Vaughan. Still celebrating here!
Wouldn't fancy the proposed McGarity switch IMO. I'd back Ronan to take him on a court anyday of the week but in around the house in an AI Semi is a different story. Lay into Kerry with the same intensity and hunger that was shown the last day and we'll be there or thereabouts.
hear hear ballinaman.Too much over-analysis .Team Mayo are on the move.Let Kerry worry about the Ballintubber All-Black's tactics for a change.Eiri suas a Mhaigheo
Kerry will need to be about 9 points up at half-time to have any hope against Mayo.
Mayo scores conceded in the second half:
v Galway: 0-1
v Roscommon: 0-2
v Cork: 0-1
Did you know that King Puck is named Enda this year. The ultimate respect to everyone in Mayo. We are worried
Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 03, 2011, 04:21:40 PM
Did you know that King Puck is named Enda this year. The ultimate respect to everyone in Mayo. We are worried
:D They should have called it after his father Henry ;)
Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 03, 2011, 04:21:40 PM
Did you know that King Puck is named Enda this year. The ultimate respect to everyone in Mayo. We are worried
I went looking for an omen last night.
I took a bottle of Bourbon and a revolver and I climbed Croke Patrick. I finished the bottle and then shot it (took 4 bullets - I was a half back). Then I asked the moon how it thought we would do. The moon told me to look around me. I saw stars everywhere. I fired the last two bullets into the moon.
Anyone know how to get down?
sent from my iphoneMuppet checked in on top of Croke Patrick
Croagh Patrick is only a poor excuse for a mountain.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 03, 2011, 04:33:19 PM
Croagh Patrick is only a poor excuse for a mountain.
;D
Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 03, 2011, 04:21:40 PM
Did you know that King Puck is named Enda this year. The ultimate respect to everyone in Mayo. We are worried
You call our Taoiseach a smelly goat ,thats respect for Mayo-Kerry style!!!!!!!! ;D ;D
Quote from: muppet on August 03, 2011, 04:29:45 PM
Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 03, 2011, 04:21:40 PM
Did you know that King Puck is named Enda this year. The ultimate respect to everyone in Mayo. We are worried
I went looking for an omen last night.
I took a bottle of Bourbon and a revolver and I climbed Croke Patrick. I finished the bottle and then shot it (took 4 bullets - I was a half back). Then I asked the moon how it thought we would do. The moon told me to look around me. I saw stars everywhere. I fired the last two bullets into the moon.
Anyone know how to get down?
sent from my iphone
Muppet checked in on top of Croke Patrick
Hmmm. Are you sure you're not a Mayo forward?
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 03, 2011, 05:42:21 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 03, 2011, 04:29:45 PM
Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 03, 2011, 04:21:40 PM
Did you know that King Puck is named Enda this year. The ultimate respect to everyone in Mayo. We are worried
I went looking for an omen last night.
I took a bottle of Bourbon and a revolver and I climbed Croke Patrick. I finished the bottle and then shot it (took 4 bullets - I was a half back). Then I asked the moon how it thought we would do. The moon told me to look around me. I saw stars everywhere. I fired the last two bullets into the moon.
Anyone know how to get down?
sent from my iphone
Muppet checked in on top of Croke Patrick
Hmmm. Are you sure you're not a Mayo forward?
Its freezing up here, I forgot me blanket.
Quote from: blanketattack on August 03, 2011, 04:09:32 PM
Kerry will need to be about 9 points up at half-time to have any hope against Mayo.
Mayo scores conceded in the second half:
v Galway: 0-1
v Roscommon: 0-2
v Cork: 0-1
:D Going by recent years that mightn't be a problem!
Seriously though, this team seem a bit more tactically aware than previous Mayo teams and have indeed tightened up in 2nd half under Horan. Haven't faced anything in the league of Kerry's forward line yet though.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 03, 2011, 04:33:19 PM
Croagh Patrick is only a poor excuse for a mountain.
Ya its not even the biggest or 2'nd biggest mountain in Ireland, but more popular than Carrauntoohil ;)
Enda is a real lively goat ;D ;D ;D
A WILD goat soon to be crowned king of one of Ireland's oldest pageants has been named Enda in honour of the Taoiseach.
The committee behind the annual Puck Fair in Killorglin, Co Kerry, have chosen the name because the goat captured on the Kerry mountains has similar colouring to the Fine Gael leader.
"He has fairish hair like Enda so we took our inspiration from that," said supreme goat-catcher Frank Joy from Ballyclave, Glenbeigh, who led a three-day hunt for the goat on the dangerous clifftops of Callinafercy.
"If he does his job as King of Puck half as well as Enda Kenny is leading the country we'll be doing all right."
It is the 21st year in a row that Frank has filled the role of chief goat-catcher for the age-old festival that attracts tens of thousands of visitors to Killorglin on August 10, 11 and 12 every year.
"I can honestly say that this was the toughest year ever. A gang of us spent three full days on desperately rough terrain at West Oulagh and my wife, Maura, had to keep watch with binoculars to ensure we were all safe," he said.
Frank described the three-and-a-half year old goat as "incredibly lively" after they brought him to local vet Teddy Clifford for a full medical examination.
King Enda will be feted at a coronation parade on August 10 and will be master of all he surveys from his giant pedestal in the centre of Killorglin town until the dethronement ceremony two days later.
King Enda will be formally crowned by 13-year-old Queen of Puck, Muireann Arthurs who lives at West Oulagh, very close to the spot where the goat was captured.
"It's an amazing coincidence because this is the first time in living memory that the King and Queen of Puck Fair hail from the same townland," said Frank who is keeping the goat grazing on his farm.
"I have to keep a very close watch on him because if he gets any chance to escape he'll be gone like a bat out of hell." - JUST LIKE THE MAYO TEAM :P
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/fair-resemblance-for-pucks-king-enda-163045.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/fair-resemblance-for-pucks-king-enda-163045.html)
Quote from: AbbeySider on August 03, 2011, 12:46:06 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on August 03, 2011, 12:14:33 PM
Two things.
1. The argument for McGarrity on Donaghy is not based on David Brady in 2006. It's based on a notion that a basketballer is physically best equipped to mark a basketballer. To compare McGarrity to Brady is nuts. Nonsense. Rubbish.
2. It's no wonder Mayo don't win All-Irelands. The Kerry game is more than a fortnight away and already we're at daggers drawn over a simple switch. If McGarrity goes in fullback it'll be the end of human life on the planet. Only McGarrity going in fullback can save human life on the planet.
People need to step back and calm down. There is no other county where there is so little unanimity on how to rate players. In Mayo you're always either the best ever or the worst ever. There's never any balance.
Maybe McGarrity man-marking Donaghy will win Mayo the game. Maybe him not man-marking Donaghy will cost Mayo the game. I don't know. And I'll tell you this: neither does anyone else.
Horan will have to make a decision as best as he can and then endure the second guessing of high stool prophets for the rest of his life if it goes wrong. He's the one that has to carry the can. The best of luck to him.
I dont agree Iolar, and I think that first part is ridiculous to suggest that just because someone has basketball experience that they could defend against another player with basketball experience even though it would be in a completely different discipline? If thats the case why dont we go up to Ballina and find Deora Marsh or any of the American immigrants that have played a bit of basketball and give them a jersey and see how they get on against Donaghy? :D
IMO the Brady comparison is completely valid as Brady and McGarity are both mid fielders being called on to do a job against Donaghy at full back. Often Nicolas Murphy was suggested of being given the same role and Brady would be an obvious comparison there too.
Also your rant about the poor unanimity anmoung Mayo supporters and daggers drawn at such a simple switch is a little annoying considering the reason we have lost to Kerry in the past was mainly due to the fact that Mayo didnt learn or change tactics to deal with the Kerry attack. We should all keep our head in the sand and not discuss it at all shall we?
And I am not overplaying the Donaghy factor at all, I would be happy with the rest of the Mayo defence I named being best able to contain their opponents and a sweeper may clog up the defence and prevent Kerry attacking down the middle, which was the other reason they destroyed us in the past. But maybe that one is another thing we shouldnt bother discussing? ;)
I used basketball as shorthand. For instance, I wouldn't suggest recalling Shane Fitzmaurice and putting him on Donaghy, even though he was a basketballer too. I think there are facets to Ronan's game that are particularly suited to man marking Donaghy. I could be wrong. That's certainly possible. You say we didn't learn or change tactics. Wouldn't asking McGarrity to man-mark Donaghy constitute learning or changing tactics?
I posted to add to the discussion, and I then pointed out that we tend towards extremism rather than colder and more balanced assessment in Mayo. You took that as an insult, which is its own testimony of course. If I didn't want to discuss I wouldn't post. Please Abbeysider; over to you.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 03, 2011, 12:37:50 PM
I think Mayo have to win the middle third. Mayo's backs may well do a good job, but I simply can't see them shutting down a forward line like that. There are at least 4 potent scorers, and two workhorses. Then Sheehan's well able to chip in from the back, as is T. O'Sé and Brosnan.
No, I think if Mayo are to win this game it'll be because of the O'Shea's Dillon, Moran, Mortimer and co dominating the middle third. It's a big ask, but it's possible. doing anything that might concede superiority there, in a bid to nullify one man would be a mistake. Kerry have evolved from that 'hit Donaghy with everything' because Tyrone showed them it can be disrupted. Now they mix it up. You're not sure if it's going to come through Declan O'Sullivan, passing or carrying, a long ball to Donaghy, a direct low ball to Gooch, or whatever. unless you can man up on each of them and take them out of it, there's no point concentrating on just one of them.
Win the ball out the field, and make sure your forwards take their chances.
For a Biffo, you make a lot of sense-at times anyway. ;D
I think this is one of those times.
Like you say, Mayo have to win the middle third and do so throughout the game. In the three preceding games, Mayo managed to do so but only after a slow start in all of them.
Mayo need too lay their markers down here from the throw in. Forewarned is forearmed, as the old saying goes, and if Kerry manage to get the head start the langers did, they will be hard if not impossible to reel in.
But winning possession around midfield isn't much use unless it is put to good use inside. Of the lads you mention, Aidan O'Shea needs to pass the ball on quicker and to avoid running into tackles like he did on Sunday last. But he's a damn serious unit as David Brady would say and he can't lose possession if he hasn't got it to begin with. He can certainly gain a lot of ball and I expect him to be a lot cuter next time out. I think it has to be kept in mind that Mayo started off the season from a lot lower base than Kerry and have been making great strides in every game since then.
Horan has been keeping changes to an absolute minimum, springing subs to great effect and he's been quick to make switches and change tactics during those games.
I suggest that the gap in potential between the sides is narrowing all the time.
The gap is certainly less than it was, say, a week ago.
In other words, Mayo gained far more from their dethroning of the All Ireland champions than Kerry did from their workout against Limerick.
However, they will need to come on a bit more before they can hope to beat Kerry.
It's quite possible they will be able to move up that extra gear. They need to dominate the middle third throughout. Kerry have an extremely able forward division but their effectiveness depends on the quality of ball they get from further out. I'd not mess with the Mayo backs; they have been doing fine so far. If Brosnan and Tomás can't come forward at will, Kerry's scoring options will be reduced.
Even with a 60/40 share of midfield possession, Mayo's forwards will need to take every chance that presents itself and noting I've seen to date suggests they won't.
Will Mayo get everything right on the day?
I know it's asking a lot but no more so than stuffing the langers was.
I will be happy with whatever team Horan fields; I know neither he nor his team will be found wanting.
We are still sore about the last time we played Mayo in a semi final. That humiliation needs to be avenged.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 03, 2011, 09:29:01 PM
We are still sore about the last time we played Mayo in a semi final. That humiliation needs to be avenged.
Ye are still sore about the Ice Age ffs!
The ice age finished in 1997
Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 03, 2011, 10:27:21 PM
The ice age finished in 1997
Must still be some wooly mammoths up our way so, we're still waiting
Quote from: Frank Casey on August 03, 2011, 07:18:50 PM
It is the 21st year in a row that Frank has filled the role of chief goat-catcher for the age-old festival that attracts tens of thousands of visitors to Killorglin on August 10, 11 and 12 every year.
"I can honestly say that this was the toughest year ever. A gang of us spent three full days on desperately rough terrain at West Oulagh and my wife, Maura, had to keep watch with binoculars to ensure we were all safe," he said.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/fair-resemblance-for-pucks-king-enda-163045.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/fair-resemblance-for-pucks-king-enda-163045.html)
Those Kerry boyos are some men for soft chat, was it not a couple of years ago that they couldn't catch a goat and had to get one brought in from somewhere outside Ciarrai??
Interesting to see what the Kerry folk have to say about the S/F:
http://kerrygaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=3893&page=1 (http://kerrygaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=3893&page=1)
This particular post sums it up fairly well I think:
QuoteIt will come down to the middle third and especially Tomas and Paul. If these two play well and win their usual quota of breaking ball, I would expect that we should have enough.
The one advantage we should have over Cork is that Cork were missing key forwards. I would expect us to score a lot more than 2-6 if we had the possession Cork had.
How we deal with TO'S and Galvin in terms of breaking ball will be crucial.
Looks like Darren O'S will be back for it as well.
From a Mayo point of view, I think we'll be up against it. For a start, Kerry won't be as complacent as Cork were and Kerry have much better forwards than Cork have. However, if we play with 100% committment as we did the last day and we make better use of the amount of ball we have (let face it, there was a good bit of ball given away softly the last day and we should have been more than 4 points ahead at the end) then we'll be in the mix.
I would have preferred if we had the 2nd S/F, there would have been more chance of Kerry having one eye on Donegal/Dublin/Tyrone.
As regards McG, I wouldn't have him as FB - he doesn't have the physicality for it. Also, I don't think he has the mindset required for a FB in terms of not making mistakes which you can get away with further out the field. As anyone who as played back there knows, one or two small mistakes can mean a couple of goals conceded & the game lost and the other 20 balls you win don't really matter a damn.
Personally, I would have AF in there. I would however trust the judgment of JH & Co, they haven't made too many mistakes so far. :)
On a sidenote, I've been massively impressed with Tom Cunniffe this year, I never believed he would be tight enough for a corner back but he's playing great stuff so far. Signs of good coaching I reckon.
Quote from: ross matt on August 03, 2011, 08:12:15 AM
Mayo has to win midfield in terms of primary possession and breaking ball ... Its vital that when Kerry win any ball out there that they are harassed so if the supply goes in to Donaghy at all its disrupted and of poor quality. ... Horan is very defensively minded and will concentrate on smothering Kerry forwards and midfield and then hitting scores on the counter attack.
The FB position must be of huge concern for Mayo. Donie Shine is a big man but not the fastest and he gave Alan Feeney the complete runaround in the CF. Star has surprising mobility and pace for a big man and could destroy AF far more than Donie did, especially if Kerry resort a two man FF line. Don't forget he'll create a lot of scores for the other forwards as well as taking the odd score himself. Caff, i dunno, a few question marks there too after Sunday - is Cunniffe an option for FB Mayoites? I don't see enough of Mayo to really have a solid opinion on it. Ye also needs to factor in that JO'C will probably have Star take an odd soujorn out the field just to muddy the waters too.
Mayo's best option imo is to follow Ross Matt & Az' advice whilst trying to hit Kerry on the break. Otherwise i can see the Kerry forwards mesmerising the Mayo defence with their movement and pace if given the latitude tbh. I'd forget about putting McG back at FB btw despite the arguments for it as Star is too fast, physical and wily for McG in a defending role imo. Also, as Az said Kerry play a much more mixed game now. Their forwards are all quicksilver, but i noticed Paul Galvin was well capable of spraying the ball around with accurate foot passing earlier in the summer, not that Kerry are short of playmakers or anything like that.
The second half 'keeping the opposition scoring down' trick has worked well so far for Mayo, but there are a number of supplementary reasons for that and it'd be foolish to assume the game against Kerry will follow a similar pattern. In Connacht, terrible weather conditions facing Mayo's opponents in the second halves as well as them being poorer quality opposition, and against Cork dominating the middle third physically against complacent and tired looking opponents who'd hit the wall and allowed themselves to become rattled and desperate. Kerry will suffer none of these ailments. They'll give as good as they get physically, won't lack ideas, heart or motivation and will probably have a spare five point plan all of their own in reserve. I can see where Moysider is coming from too. Problems need to be identified and plans to be hatched all right Moy.
It's a big test for JH and Mayo. Going to be fascinating to see how they approach it and what gameplan they implement.
Quote from: spectator on August 04, 2011, 12:47:31 AM
Quote from: ross matt on August 03, 2011, 08:12:15 AM
Mayo has to win midfield in terms of primary possession and breaking ball ... Its vital that when Kerry win any ball out there that they are harassed so if the supply goes in to Donaghy at all its disrupted and of poor quality. ... Horan is very defensively minded and will concentrate on smothering Kerry forwards and midfield and then hitting scores on the counter attack.
The FB position must be of huge concern for Mayo. Donie Shine is a big man but not the fastest and he gave Alan Feeney the complete runaround in the CF. Star has surprising mobility and pace for a big man and could destroy AF far more than Donie did, especially if Kerry resort a two man FF line. Don't forget he'll create a lot of scores for the other forwards as well as taking the odd score himself. Caff, i dunno, a few question marks there too after Sunday - is Cunniffe an option for FB Mayoites? I don't see enough of Mayo to really have a solid opinion on it. Ye also needs to factor in that JO'C will probably have Star take an odd soujorn out the field just to muddy the waters too.
Mayo's best option imo is to follow Ross Matt & Az' advice whilst trying to hit Kerry on the break. Otherwise i can see the Kerry forwards mesmerising the Mayo defence with their movement and pace if given the latitude tbh. I'd forget about putting McG back at FB btw despite the arguments for it as Star is too fast, physical and wily for McG in a defending role imo. Also, as Az said Kerry play a much more mixed game now. Their forwards are all quicksilver, but i noticed Paul Galvin was well capable of spraying the ball around with accurate foot passing earlier in the summer, not that Kerry are short of playmakers or anything like that.
The second half 'keeping the opposition scoring down' trick has worked well so far for Mayo, but there are a number of supplementary reasons for that and it'd be foolish to assume the game against Kerry will follow a similar pattern. In Connacht, terrible weather conditions facing Mayo's opponents in the second halves as well as them being poorer quality opposition, and against Cork dominating the middle third physically against complacent and tired looking opponents who'd hit the wall and allowed themselves to become rattled and desperate. Kerry will suffer none of these ailments. They'll give as good as they get physically, won't lack ideas, heart or motivation and will probably have a spare five point plan all of their own in reserve. I can see where Moysider is coming from too. Problems need to be identified and plans to be hatched all right Moy.
It's a big test for JH and Mayo. Going to be fascinating to see how they approach it and what gameplan they implement.
Yeah, I hope this is my last contribution on it and lets see what happens. A couple of things. Your correct about the Mayo second half stats. We all know about the old line about statistics.
Getting back to the old fb thing. AF was effectively dropped after Ros. Caff was rightly identified as better at 6 until he got injured and Vaughan came in there. Caff relaced AF V Ros because he couldn t replace both obviously. Now, we have lads confident these lads can marrk Donaghy with all of the other stuff flyin around as well. Somebody even mentioned Varley... oops sorry Vaughan to do that instead. Maybe why not Geraghty - he always did a job on Meehan and sure size doesn t matter.
Why are people mentioning Brady? Brady should have played in 06 from start but in midfield. Nobody has ever suggested he should mark Donaghy. It was obvious then and it is obvious now. Remember as well we had Billy Joe to do a sweeping role in that game - a job he was made for actually.
Whatever. People dissing this were also pissing on McLoughlin playing 12, AOS and Trevor playing in the half back line and Caff even being considered for chb. I m happy enough. I m sure Horan do the right thing and go with his instinct and not do the popular thing that only gets you beat again.
Listen, I had Man Utd fans a couple of months ago tellin me that the story would be different this time in Ch L final. How could it be different? And it was worse if anything because a couple of years later, one of the biggest clubs in the world sent out the same old shite knowing well what was coming.
Quote from: moysider on August 04, 2011, 01:18:32 AM
Listen, I had Man Utd fans a couple of months ago tellin me that the story would be different this time in Ch L final. How could it be different? And it was worse if anything because a couple of years later, one of the biggest clubs in the world sent out the same old shite knowing well what was coming.
Well said. I think Horan is wiser than that this time around and he'll have a few moves for Jack O'Connor to think about too. A few clips early on ala O'Shea on O'Leary will let Kerry know we're not going to lay down this time could be in order too.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on August 03, 2011, 08:26:38 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on August 03, 2011, 12:46:06 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on August 03, 2011, 12:14:33 PM
Two things.
1. The argument for McGarrity on Donaghy is not based on David Brady in 2006. It's based on a notion that a basketballer is physically best equipped to mark a basketballer. To compare McGarrity to Brady is nuts. Nonsense. Rubbish.
2. It's no wonder Mayo don't win All-Irelands. The Kerry game is more than a fortnight away and already we're at daggers drawn over a simple switch. If McGarrity goes in fullback it'll be the end of human life on the planet. Only McGarrity going in fullback can save human life on the planet.
People need to step back and calm down. There is no other county where there is so little unanimity on how to rate players. In Mayo you're always either the best ever or the worst ever. There's never any balance.
Maybe McGarrity man-marking Donaghy will win Mayo the game. Maybe him not man-marking Donaghy will cost Mayo the game. I don't know. And I'll tell you this: neither does anyone else.
Horan will have to make a decision as best as he can and then endure the second guessing of high stool prophets for the rest of his life if it goes wrong. He's the one that has to carry the can. The best of luck to him.
I dont agree Iolar, and I think that first part is ridiculous to suggest that just because someone has basketball experience that they could defend against another player with basketball experience even though it would be in a completely different discipline? If thats the case why dont we go up to Ballina and find Deora Marsh or any of the American immigrants that have played a bit of basketball and give them a jersey and see how they get on against Donaghy? :D
IMO the Brady comparison is completely valid as Brady and McGarity are both mid fielders being called on to do a job against Donaghy at full back. Often Nicolas Murphy was suggested of being given the same role and Brady would be an obvious comparison there too.
Also your rant about the poor unanimity anmoung Mayo supporters and daggers drawn at such a simple switch is a little annoying considering the reason we have lost to Kerry in the past was mainly due to the fact that Mayo didnt learn or change tactics to deal with the Kerry attack. We should all keep our head in the sand and not discuss it at all shall we?
And I am not overplaying the Donaghy factor at all, I would be happy with the rest of the Mayo defence I named being best able to contain their opponents and a sweeper may clog up the defence and prevent Kerry attacking down the middle, which was the other reason they destroyed us in the past. But maybe that one is another thing we shouldnt bother discussing? ;)
I used basketball as shorthand. For instance, I wouldn't suggest recalling Shane Fitzmaurice and putting him on Donaghy, even though he was a basketballer too. I think there are facets to Ronan's game that are particularly suited to man marking Donaghy. I could be wrong. That's certainly possible. You say we didn't learn or change tactics. Wouldn't asking McGarrity to man-mark Donaghy constitute learning or changing tactics?
I posted to add to the discussion, and I then pointed out that we tend towards extremism rather than colder and more balanced assessment in Mayo. You took that as an insult, which is its own testimony of course. If I didn't want to discuss I wouldn't post. Please Abbeysider; over to you.
Iolar, in any case this argument could be completely futile as it's highly likely that Donaghy will be playing midfield for Kerry to try and win that battle and primary possession against a particularly formidable Mayo pairing, but for the sake of argument I'll keep our discussion afloat.
You mention in your 2nd last post that the reasoning behind McGarity marking Donaghy was based on the notion that a basketballer is physically best equipped to mark a basketballer. That's a broad enough statement that I don't agree with.
I think that McGarity is naturally more attack minded and does not have the defensive instincts, let alone the body and physique to play in anywhere in defence. In fact, IMO he is not even technically gifted at tackling and would be more likely to turn his head or duck rather than dive and block a ball. But that's just my opinion; I don't see him as a defensive midfielder, let alone a defender. He has tremendous facets to his game as a midfielder, and an attacking midfielder at that, but I would cringe to think what he would be like defending on the back foot with someone running at him. Like you I could be very wrong in that.
But as I said, that conversations could be all for nothing.
I agree that there are extremist views in Mayo when it comes to football. At the moment the Mayo team are heros (which I find amusing considering the abuse they got after Ruslip, even from a lot of posters on here) but a loss to Roscommon or Galway and people would be up in arms. That's just the way things are in Mayo and I put it down to the fact that you have followers and fans of the county team that are not as involved at club level and watching games and players week in, week out. They turn up to a few inter county matches and suddenly are connoisseurs of football without any prior knowledge of seeing a lot of the players on the pitch. But just because they go to a few inter county games they can say that "<Enter player name here> is not a footballer", "<Enter managers name here> hasn't a clue what he is at" etc. What gives them the right?
But I don't think discussing a switch like we are or arguing for or against such is actually extremism in that case. I think it's ironic that you brand the likes of me with extremism for discussing a switch, and then in the same breath make a suggestion for the same position.
Kerry will be delighted at our win over cork, knocking out a contender and not really up to the mark with themselves, whats not to like?
one of kerry lads said before the mayo cork game thay were looking forward to playing cork in the semi, that speaks volumes of how they view mayo, written off again.
Anyway thats their problem, hearty congrats to MAYO team and management, i don't know how you can go from ruislip to croke park and be so different, my wife is from a hurling area down south and says Mayo are so unpredictable at this time of year that anything could happen,its hard to disagree with her.
Quote from: ballinaman on August 04, 2011, 09:10:59 AM
A few clips early on ala O'Shea on O'Leary will let Kerry know we're not going to lay down this time could be in order too.
What? ???
Quote from: blanketattack on August 04, 2011, 10:00:15 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 04, 2011, 09:10:59 AM
A few clips early on ala O'Shea on O'Leary will let Kerry know we're not going to lay down this time could be in order too.
What? ???
Aidan O Sheas shoulder on Noel O Leary up along the Cusack Stand that resulted in a yellow card for Aidan but branded by many as a turning point in the game for Mayo as it laid down a marker that there was a bit of spirit and fight in this Mayo team. *takes a breath*
Lads I think we are being a bit over optimistic about the performance of the Mayo backs the last day, that 2-6 could and probably should have been 4-6, Cork missed two very easy chances after the Mayo backs left their respective men and went for the man with the ballball. Now I think this was a tactic, as in they were trying to swarm the man in possession but that's a defensive tactic that's been around for about 10 years now and while somewhat effective, good forwards know it means that someone else is unmarked and try to get the pass in just when the backs are committed. That is what Cork were doing the last day and if we're using the same tactics its what Kerry will do but they will probably be more accurate and we'll be punished.
The reason I say this is because alto of the discussion here is based around the fact that we can do well against the Kerry forwards based on the Cork defensive performance. Cork got 53% of the ball, most of that in the first 25 minutes so yes we did do well to keep them to 2-6, but perhaps not as well as we think when you look at the game again. It was poor accuracy that stopped those other two goals and not great defending. 4-6 against an understrength Cork attack, even if we had managed to outscore them and still win is probably a more accurate reflection of our backline at the moment. that's the way I'd be looking at it. Not trying to be negative but after a few days the result glosses over failings. Watch that game again with the mindset that we had drawn or lost, we might not be as optimistic at the performance of the Mayo backline.
QuoteAt the moment the Mayo team are heros (which I find amusing considering the abuse they got after Ruslip, even from a lot of posters on here) but a loss to Roscommon or Galway and people would be up in arms.
I for one stand by my criticism following the game in Ruislip as I feel it was well deserved - we were damn lucky to get out of that. If London had scored that late free, we were off to the qualifiers.
Some change from then to now though and massive credit to all involved for that.
Fair point Iorras about the win glossing over inadequacies, it always does. Hopefully JH will be analysing it in depth and coming up with a gameplan.
Quote from: AbbeySider on August 04, 2011, 10:04:45 AM
Quote from: blanketattack on August 04, 2011, 10:00:15 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 04, 2011, 09:10:59 AM
A few clips early on ala O'Shea on O'Leary will let Kerry know we're not going to lay down this time could be in order too.
What? ???
Aidan O Sheas shoulder on Noel O Leary up along the Cusack Stand that resulted in a yellow card for Aidan but branded by many as a turning point in the game for Mayo as it laid down a marker that there was a bit of spirit and fight in this Mayo team. *takes a breath*
A cheap shot, the like of which you'd see every week up and down the country in junior games. The hit on Kerrigan, on the other hand, was a thing of beauty.
Quote from: passedit on August 04, 2011, 10:40:21 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on August 04, 2011, 10:04:45 AM
Quote from: blanketattack on August 04, 2011, 10:00:15 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 04, 2011, 09:10:59 AM
A few clips early on ala O'Shea on O'Leary will let Kerry know we're not going to lay down this time could be in order too.
Aidan O Sheas shoulder on Noel O Leary up along the Cusack Stand that resulted in a yellow card for Aidan but branded by many as a turning point in the game for Mayo as it laid down a marker that there was a bit of spirit and fight in this Mayo team. *takes a breath*
A cheap shot, the like of which you'd see every week up and down the country in junior games. The hit on Kerrigan, on the other hand, was a thing of beauty.
AoS slightly late on the poor angel N o Leary.Dont think Mayo folk would thank him if he pulled out.Been there,done the nice stuff previously-Beat out the gate...No more.EIRI SUAS A MHAIGHEO!
Quote from: iorras on August 04, 2011, 10:34:19 AM
Lads I think we are being a bit over optimistic about the performance of the Mayo backs the last day, that 2-6 could and probably should have been 4-6, Cork missed two very easy chances after the Mayo backs left their respective men and went for the man with the ballball. Now I think this was a tactic, as in they were trying to swarm the man in possession but that's a defensive tactic that's been around for about 10 years now and while somewhat effective, good forwards know it means that someone else is unmarked and try to get the pass in just when the backs are committed. That is what Cork were doing the last day and if we're using the same tactics its what Kerry will do but they will probably be more accurate and we'll be punished.
The reason I say this is because alto of the discussion here is based around the fact that we can do well against the Kerry forwards based on the Cork defensive performance. Cork got 53% of the ball, most of that in the first 25 minutes so yes we did do well to keep them to 2-6, but perhaps not as well as we think when you look at the game again. It was poor accuracy that stopped those other two goals and not great defending. 4-6 against an understrength Cork attack, even if we had managed to outscore them and still win is probably a more accurate reflection of our backline at the moment. that's the way I'd be looking at it. Not trying to be negative but after a few days the result glosses over failings. Watch that game again with the mindset that we had drawn or lost, we might not be as optimistic at the performance of the Mayo backline.
The backs performance has more to do with our guys in the middle third getting a foothold after the first 15 mins then pretty much dominating in the second half. I thought Caff was under serious pressure in the 1st quarter and not far from a second yellow while Vaughan was anonymous for the same period. After that they settled and finished the game very strongly. Cork had less and less possesion to deliver into the FF line and anything they did get in the last 30 mins was poor quality ball, easy for backs to mop up, because of their outfield players being pressurised when on the ball. However even in our most dominent period, Cork still had 2 goal chances, Fintan Goold's wide effort and anyone notice Kerrigan completely unmarked at the far post when Miskella fisted his point(was he going for the point???) Our guys still have moments where they completely lose their markers and they pop up in good positions. Sunday was a great performance and win, but let's not use it to paper over the fact there are still some things to be addressed and improved. We had similar euphoria after coming back and beating Dublin in 2006, ignoring the fact that our backline had been cut to shreds and we were lucky that Dublin hadn't scored 3 more goals. We take the same attitude again and we'll be coming back down to earth with a juddering thud on Sunday 2 weeks.
Well said Bucko. You have hit the nail on the head there.
Quote from: bucko on August 04, 2011, 12:41:21 PM
Quote from: iorras on August 04, 2011, 10:34:19 AM
Lads I think we are being a bit over optimistic about the performance of the Mayo backs the last day, that 2-6 could and probably should have been 4-6, Cork missed two very easy chances after the Mayo backs left their respective men and went for the man with the ballball. Now I think this was a tactic, as in they were trying to swarm the man in possession but that's a defensive tactic that's been around for about 10 years now and while somewhat effective, good forwards know it means that someone else is unmarked and try to get the pass in just when the backs are committed. That is what Cork were doing the last day and if we're using the same tactics its what Kerry will do but they will probably be more accurate and we'll be punished.
The reason I say this is because alto of the discussion here is based around the fact that we can do well against the Kerry forwards based on the Cork defensive performance. Cork got 53% of the ball, most of that in the first 25 minutes so yes we did do well to keep them to 2-6, but perhaps not as well as we think when you look at the game again. It was poor accuracy that stopped those other two goals and not great defending. 4-6 against an understrength Cork attack, even if we had managed to outscore them and still win is probably a more accurate reflection of our backline at the moment. that's the way I'd be looking at it. Not trying to be negative but after a few days the result glosses over failings. Watch that game again with the mindset that we had drawn or lost, we might not be as optimistic at the performance of the Mayo backline.
The backs performance has more to do with our guys in the middle third getting a foothold after the first 15 mins then pretty much dominating in the second half. I thought Caff was under serious pressure in the 1st quarter and not far from a second yellow while Vaughan was anonymous for the same period. After that they settled and finished the game very strongly. Cork had less and less possesion to deliver into the FF line and anything they did get in the last 30 mins was poor quality ball, easy for backs to mop up, because of their outfield players being pressurised when on the ball. However even in our most dominent period, Cork still had 2 goal chances, Fintan Goold's wide effort and anyone notice Kerrigan completely unmarked at the far post when Miskella fisted his point(was he going for the point???) Our guys still have moments where they completely lose their markers and they pop up in good positions. Sunday was a great performance and win, but let's not use it to paper over the fact there are still some things to be addressed and improved. We had similar euphoria after coming back and beating Dublin in 2006, ignoring the fact that our backline had been cut to shreds and we were lucky that Dublin hadn't scored 3 more goals. We take the same attitude again and we'll be coming back down to earth with a juddering thud on Sunday 2 weeks.
I agree with both of you, and it's good to see that realism has set in after the justifiable excitement and joy we all had after the performance on Sunday.
I watched the match again last night on Setanta. We could easily have let in another 3 goals - the block that Higgins made, the one that Goold sent badly wide, and the last point for Cork which I think was meant as a pass across the goal where Kerrigan was waiting unmarked in front of an open goal. There was also the chance late on which Vaughan deflected out for a 45 - could have gone anywhere. There were also a couple of sloppy wides from Cork when going for points, especially in the second half.
Now in fairness, we would have been very unlucky if more than 2 of those were scored, but the chances were created.
What was very evident watching it again last night was that the O'Sheas didn't let the ball off soon enough - I noticed it a few times during the match (mainly Aidan) but both were guilty of it numerous times throughout the game. They were dispossessed or lost control in the tackle and Aidan even double-hopped the ball once.
We also hit some poor wides and shots into Quirke's hands during a stage where we were completely dominant. We should have been well out of sight.
While these can be seen as slight negative points from the performances the last day, if we improve on each of those areas and take the intensity we got for 60 mins against Cork and apply it for the full 70 against Kerry, we'll give them a right good battle, and they'll have to put in a serious performance to come out on top.
QuoteThe backs performance has more to do with our guys in the middle third getting a foothold after the first 15 mins then pretty much dominating in the second half
I concur with this alright. Watched Sundays game again last night. Everytime our forwards lost possession they were marking back straightaway and not allowing the Cork backs any easy options coming out of defense. On the other hand the Cork forwards didn't bother chasing our defenders when we won ball in the back line and it was easy for us to break up the field in groups. That was the difference the last day and is stemming from good coaching and brains on the side line.
Quote from: AbbeySider on August 04, 2011, 09:47:01 AM
I agree that there are extremist views in Mayo when it comes to football. At the moment the Mayo team are heros (which I find amusing considering the abuse they got after Ruslip, even from a lot of posters on here) but a loss to Roscommon or Galway and people would be up in arms. That's just the way things are in Mayo and I put it down to the fact that you have followers and fans of the county team that are not as involved at club level and watching games and players week in, week out. They turn up to a few inter county matches and suddenly are connoisseurs of football without any prior knowledge of seeing a lot of the players on the pitch. But just because they go to a few inter county games they can say that "<Enter player name here> is not a footballer", "<Enter managers name here> hasn't a clue what he is at" etc. What gives them the right?
But I don't think discussing a switch like we are or arguing for or against such is actually extremism in that case. I think it's ironic that you brand the likes of me with extremism for discussing a switch, and then in the same breath make a suggestion for the same position.
Are you saying that mayo didnt deserve any flak after the mayo game!!! They were diabolical that day and deserved the criticism in the same way they dererve credit for the win and performance over cork. You didnt have to go to every club game in the county to appreciate how good or bad players performed against london nor does going to every club game make you aconnoisseur despite whay that particular person may think.
Quote from: AbbeySider on August 04, 2011, 09:47:01 AM
I agree that there are extremist views in Mayo when it comes to football. At the moment the Mayo team are heros (which I find amusing considering the abuse they got after Ruslip, even from a lot of posters on here) but a loss to Roscommon or Galway and people would be up in arms. That's just the way things are in Mayo and I put it down to the fact that you have followers and fans of the county team that are not as involved at club level and watching games and players week in, week out. They turn up to a few inter county matches and suddenly are connoisseurs of football without any prior knowledge of seeing a lot of the players on the pitch. But just because they go to a few inter county games they can say that "<Enter player name here> is not a footballer", "<Enter managers name here> hasn't a clue what he is at" etc. What gives them the right?
But I don't think discussing a switch like we are or arguing for or against such is actually extremism in that case. I think it's ironic that you brand the likes of me with extremism for discussing a switch, and then in the same breath make a suggestion for the same position.
Quote from: ludermor on August 04, 2011, 02:09:37 PM
Are you saying that mayo didnt deserve any flak after the mayo game!!! They were diabolical that day and deserved the criticism in the same way they dererve credit for the win and performance over cork
You didnt have to go to every club game in the county to appreciate how good or bad players performed against london nor does going to every club game make you aconnoisseur despite whay that particular person may think.
The performance in London was not a clear reflection on how good or how bad Mayo were so taking some flak? Yes, but some of the criticism was way over the top, overreaction and pure rubbish. Were you at the game btw?
I was, and I can tell you that Mayo could have won by 15 points but nothing went right for them on the day and London, who are no terrible outfit, just happened to throw everything at Mayo. These reasons coupled with lots of others lead to a poor performance.
My point is that in particular, is the criticisms dished out to players and especially the abuse I hear was hurled at them walking off the pitch in Ruslip was uncalled for.
There was some posters on here that were calling for Andy Moran and Alan Dillon to be dropped after the Galway and said that Mayo can only kick on if they are dropped. It was also remarked that Mayo had sunk to a new low and we would get hammered by Galway and the backdoor would confirm the drop. But if these people had any notion from looking at club games they would realise that Moran and Dillon are head and shoulders above any other forwards in the county.
Media pundits also went to town on Mayo after the London game and so far this season the Mayo players have proved them all wrong. Its this balance thing that we are lacking. Either a team is sh!t or they are gods, no balance. I believe some balance comes from watching games and players week in week out. A decent player does not turn terrible over night. But sometimes you get these yahoo's that turn up at a game and write off a player or a team because they have nothing else to go on, but the fact that they watched them in one or two games.
QuoteIts this balance thing that we are lacking. Either a team is sh!t or they are gods, no balance. I believe some balance comes from watching games and players week in week out.
Maybe a sort of Comfortable Optmism is the phrase your looking for ;)
Look it, every game merits its own individual analysis anyhow that's the beauty of this game. I stand corrected but I don't think it was Mayo posters who were on about dropping Dillion and Moran?
Anyhow on to the semi, any news on injuries? How is Seamus O'Shea and McLoughlin?
Quote from: highorlow on August 04, 2011, 02:49:59 PM
I stand corrected but I don't think it was Mayo posters who were on about dropping Dillion and Moran?
You stand corrected so! ;)
Quote from: southsidejohnny on June 28, 2011, 12:49:32 PM
I agree Dillon and Moran were poor on Sunday, still the press gave Moran man of the match. I actually believe Mayo can kick on provided they drop those two. They bring nothing to the picnic. Free taking is abysmal. Anyway I know that Horan wont drop them and I know that the end is nigh...
Quote from: southsidejohnny on June 24, 2011, 01:37:16 PM
Truly we have sunk and next Sunday will confirm the drop. Back door will nail it home.
Quote from: highorlow on August 04, 2011, 02:49:59 PM
Anyhow on to the semi, any news on injuries? How is Seamus O'Shea and McLoughlin?
There is a full round of club championship games this weeked so just prey they all get through it without any injurys.
If we lost someone like Dillon, Moran, any of the O Sheas we would be significantly weakened.
The things is, some of the club championship games dont mean a whole lot so I guess county players will be rested in all but the most important games like Breaffy Vs Knockmore.
Quote from: AbbeySider on August 04, 2011, 02:58:36 PM
Quote from: highorlow on August 04, 2011, 02:49:59 PM
Anyhow on to the semi, any news on injuries? How is Seamus O'Shea and McLoughlin?
There is a full round of club championship games this weeked so just prey they all get through it without any injurys.
If we lost someone like Dillon, Moran, any of the O Sheas we would be significantly weakened.
The things is, some of the club championship games dont mean a whole lot so I guess county players will be rested in all but the most important games like Breaffy Vs Knockmore.
Ballina versus Claremorris (i think its Claremorris anyway ... winners go through) as well, along with Aughamores game.
Quote from: blast05 on August 04, 2011, 03:07:11 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on August 04, 2011, 02:58:36 PM
Quote from: highorlow on August 04, 2011, 02:49:59 PM
Anyhow on to the semi, any news on injuries? How is Seamus O'Shea and McLoughlin?
There is a full round of club championship games this weeked so just prey they all get through it without any injurys.
If we lost someone like Dillon, Moran, any of the O Sheas we would be significantly weakened.
The things is, some of the club championship games dont mean a whole lot so I guess county players will be rested in all but the most important games like Breaffy Vs Knockmore.
Ballina versus Claremorris (i think its Claremorris anyway ... winners go through) as well, along with Aughamores game.
Are Ballinrobe in a dog fight to avoid relegation playoff too?
Quote from: AbbeySider on August 04, 2011, 02:34:58 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on August 04, 2011, 09:47:01 AM
I agree that there are extremist views in Mayo when it comes to football. At the moment the Mayo team are heros (which I find amusing considering the abuse they got after Ruslip, even from a lot of posters on here) but a loss to Roscommon or Galway and people would be up in arms. That's just the way things are in Mayo and I put it down to the fact that you have followers and fans of the county team that are not as involved at club level and watching games and players week in, week out. They turn up to a few inter county matches and suddenly are connoisseurs of football without any prior knowledge of seeing a lot of the players on the pitch. But just because they go to a few inter county games they can say that "<Enter player name here> is not a footballer", "<Enter managers name here> hasn't a clue what he is at" etc. What gives them the right?
But I don't think discussing a switch like we are or arguing for or against such is actually extremism in that case. I think it's ironic that you brand the likes of me with extremism for discussing a switch, and then in the same breath make a suggestion for the same position.
Quote from: ludermor on August 04, 2011, 02:09:37 PM
Are you saying that mayo didnt deserve any flak after the mayo game!!! They were diabolical that day and deserved the criticism in the same way they dererve credit for the win and performance over cork
You didnt have to go to every club game in the county to appreciate how good or bad players performed against london nor does going to every club game make you aconnoisseur despite whay that particular person may think.
The performance in London was not a clear reflection on how good or how bad Mayo were so taking some flak? Yes, but some of the criticism was way over the top, overreaction and pure rubbish. Were you at the game btw?
I was, and I can tell you that Mayo could have won by 15 points but nothing went right for them on the day and London, who are no terrible outfit, just happened to throw everything at Mayo. These reasons coupled with lots of others lead to a poor performance.
My point is that in particular, is the criticisms dished out to players and especially the abuse I hear was hurled at them walking off the pitch in Ruslip was uncalled for.
There was some posters on here that were calling for Andy Moran and Alan Dillon to be dropped after the Galway and said that Mayo can only kick on if they are dropped. It was also remarked that Mayo had sunk to a new low and we would get hammered by Galway and the backdoor would confirm the drop. But if these people had any notion from looking at club games they would realise that Moran and Dillon are head and shoulders above any other forwards in the county.
Media pundits also went to town on Mayo after the London game and so far this season the Mayo players have proved them all wrong. Its this balance thing that we are lacking. Either a team is sh!t or they are gods, no balance. I believe some balance comes from watching games and players week in week out. A decent player does not turn terrible over night. But sometimes you get these yahoo's that turn up at a game and write off a player or a team because they have nothing else to go on, but the fact that they watched them in one or two games.
I ws at the game actually but thats because i live in london so i havent made it to any other game so i suppose that makes me less qualified to comment in your eyes?. You are being very generous in saying Mayo could have won by 15 points, we got absolutely cleaned in midfield and the breaking ball ( and we should be beating london by 15 points in any case!) . But that isnt the issue they played bad and dererved to be critisied after the game in the same vien that they should be praised after a good performance, these traits should not be dependant on whether you go to club games or not. Id say if you went back through the threads you will find very few seriously wanting to omit Moran and Dillon and if they did you shoudl have more sense than to take heed of them.
Quote from: iorras on August 04, 2011, 10:34:19 AM
Lads I think we are being a bit over optimistic about the performance of the Mayo backs the last day, that 2-6 could and probably should have been 4-6, Cork missed two very easy chances after the Mayo backs left their respective men and went for the man with the ballball. Now I think this was a tactic, as in they were trying to swarm the man in possession but that's a defensive tactic that's been around for about 10 years now and while somewhat effective, good forwards know it means that someone else is unmarked and try to get the pass in just when the backs are committed. That is what Cork were doing the last day and if we're using the same tactics its what Kerry will do but they will probably be more accurate and we'll be punished.
The reason I say this is because alto of the discussion here is based around the fact that we can do well against the Kerry forwards based on the Cork defensive performance. Cork got 53% of the ball, most of that in the first 25 minutes so yes we did do well to keep them to 2-6, but perhaps not as well as we think when you look at the game again. It was poor accuracy that stopped those other two goals and not great defending. 4-6 against an understrength Cork attack, even if we had managed to outscore them and still win is probably a more accurate reflection of our backline at the moment. that's the way I'd be looking at it. Not trying to be negative but after a few days the result glosses over failings. Watch that game again with the mindset that we had drawn or lost, we might not be as optimistic at the performance of the Mayo backline.
Hi iorras; that's a fine opening post. Welcome aboard.
I think you'll find that very few Mayo lads here are being over optimistic about anything and about our chances of beating Kerry in particular. But there's the length of Croke Park between delusion and hope and right now I am hopeful.
Like everyone else, I slip into "If only me auntie.." mode when I try my hand at predicting the outcome of the game. That includes Canavan, O'Rourke and "Every man, woman and monkey" man; our very own David Brady.
So I think it'd fair to say that all of us are relying on our memories of past events to help us make our predictions for the future. So while I accept all of what you say above is pertinent, I would suggest it's not the full picture. It still leaves us with a lot of "what ifs" to mull over.
Sure, Cork could have wound up with 4-6 or more; they could just as easily have finished with 1-6 or less. What if Aidan O'Shea hadn't tried to solo into a tackle where he lost possession easily leading to Kerrigan's goal?
I don't see him doing the same in the game to come. Cork were awarded a penalty; Mayo were not. In both cases, the man in possession was fouled and it was down to split second timing and very precise positioning when the ref made up his mind in each case. Either or both could easily have gone the other way. Incidentally, I agree with the ref in both instances but my point is that while luck was with us on occasion it deserted us in equal measure.
Cork could have scored more but then so could Mayo. The Mayo defence fared quite well in each of the previous three games. Some of this could be put down to luck without a doubt. But from Galway to Cork, with increasingly stiffer opposition each time, they have done extremely well.
I'm not over confident of our chances of muzzling the Kerry attack either but I see no reason to start on the Hail Marys either.
Quote from: ludermor on August 04, 2011, 03:17:31 PM
I ws at the game actually but thats because i live in london so i havent made it to any other game so i suppose that makes me less qualified to comment in your eyes?. You are being very generous in saying Mayo could have won by 15 points, we got absolutely cleaned in midfield and the breaking ball ( and we should be beating london by 15 points in any case!) . But that isnt the issue they played bad and dererved to be critisied after the game in the same vien that they should be praised after a good performance, these traits should not be dependant on whether you go to club games or not. Id say if you went back through the threads you will find very few seriously wanting to omit Moran and Dillon and if they did you shoudl have more sense than to take heed of them.
Mayo had 19 wides Luder so that was where I was picking my margin from.
Comment to your hearts content Luder but I would hope you wouldnt be calling for players or managements heads based on that game, if you were then I would deem you less qualified to call for such. :P
Great win for Mayo the last day and was delighted to see everpresent Andy and Trevor have big games. Still think the subs bench need serious looking at. I know that Doherty was very lively when he came on and he is a good option, but it is also true that he was one on one with defenders on a few occasions when nothing came out of it. Varley is not going to worry the Kerry lads either.
Now with my saffron and blue glasses on I would think that Kilcoyne is at least an option as a game changer, is Howley not a more positive option than lets say Keegan and now the big question..........will CONOREEN be brought back. These are decisions that Horan needs to at least consider. We still have no big score getter and that's the worry. With all the great ball that was going in the last day and fellas been marked one on one we never opened up Cork. I cannot see us beating Kerry without scoring a few goals.
Surprised that Barry Moran was brought back into the panel and then let go again. Kerry will be launching an all out aerial attack on our full back line the next day and all the pratice that our defenders would get by marking the likes of Barry would have stood them in good stead IMO.
Was delighted with the heart that Mayo showed. All we can hope for is that the lads will give the same commitment the next day out :)
Quote from: irunthev on April 20, 2011, 03:27:39 PM
Little fact here. On the last two occasions that London and Mayo have played in the Championship, Mayo have gone on to play in the All Ireland Final......1996 and 2006
70mins away from possibly making that three in a row.
Quote from: ross4life on August 04, 2011, 06:07:51 PM
Quote from: irunthev on April 20, 2011, 03:27:39 PM
Little fact here. On the last two occasions that London and Mayo have played in the Championship, Mayo have gone on to play in the All Ireland Final......1996 and 2006
70mins away from possibly making that three in a row.
And we struggled and were unimpressive in both those games too .... moreso in 96 !
The collective Mayo psyche is a wonder to behold.
What are they going to do about the jersey clash this time ? Since we have a divine right to win the AI I think Mayo should switch. What do ye think ?
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 04, 2011, 07:41:10 PM
The collective Mayo psyche is a wonder to behold.
Enjoy. I reckon you're in for a few twists, subplots and possibly a dream sequence before the ball is thrown in.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 04, 2011, 07:45:50 PM
What are they going to do about the jersey clash this time ? Since we have a divine right to win the AI I think Mayo should switch. What do ye think ?
'Divine right' ? Remember
King Puck is named after a Mayo man this year .... I doubt he'll be shouting for Kerry ! Heres hoping he can influence on the devine right thing !
just watched the 2nd half of the game v cork again. Great viewing. However kerry are a different animal altogether. one of my major concerns is that they will try to run at us as I don't think we are as suspect under the high ball as we have been in the past.
I do feel though that we can be a match for them in midfield as long as we get as much of the breaking ball that we did after the first 20 mins of the game v cork, That is the level of intensity and fight that needs to be shown from the off.
I am going into this game more confident that i was pre cork (hoping for a respectable defeat). I don't think that we are at kerrys level yet so i don't think we will win. BUT we were all surprised the last day and maybe we have another level that we dont know about yet!
2 changes i would like to see james horan make would be feeney back in at full back to pick up donaghy and doherty back in corner forward.
Quote from: saffronandblue on August 04, 2011, 05:33:13 PM
Now with my saffron and blue glasses on I would think that Kilcoyne is at least an option as a game changer, is Howley not a more positive option than lets say Keegan and now the big question..........will CONOREEN be brought back.
I doubt that Kilcoyne would be brought back into the panel this year but then again you would never know. He would definitely be on my list to bring in next year though as I think he would strengthen the panel and still has a lot to offer.
Trevor Howley is just back from injury is he not? I think he has yet to play a full game so we will see how he gets on this weekend with Knockmore, but I agree; I think he would always be in contention for a spot in the half back line.
Regarding The Mort; I have mixed views. He is a player that could win a tight game for you as I know he has talent but is he a team player or more of an individual? Would a character like that upset things? Can you imagine his introduction in an All-Ireland final a la Stephen O'Néill for Tyrone? :D
We can analyse all we like as to our progress and what happened in any game but the real issue now is what can we do to beat Kerry.
In my opinion it will hinge on three things:
1. How the lads approach the game from a psychological point of view - and I think they will be OK.
2. Whether we can win enough ball around the middle to deprive the lethal Kerry forward of possesion and give our forwards enough to put up a good score. I also think we might manage this too.
3. How we cope with the high ball into Donaghy & Co. I think we can cope with the odd breaking ball and mopping up posession but who is capable of preventing him catching the ball clean? This is a big threat that we absolutely must deal with.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 04, 2011, 07:45:50 PM
What are they going to do about the jersey clash this time ? Since we have a divine right to win the AI I think Mayo should switch. What do ye think ?
Back to the provincial jersies I reckon, we never play well in them red yokes. The yellow Mitchells jersey that Rob Hennelly was wearing the last day would be even worse, given the connotations of that colour and 2006 and all that. Actually why dont ye stick to the blue yoke ye wore against Limerick? Ye were moving well in that, and we as the underdogs could stick to our traditional green and red. How about that?
On a related but different subject, I've started my research into the enemy by procuring a copy of Jack O'Connors book. I avoided it to date as my good friends around Firies and Castlegregory said "Yerraha, tisnt much of a read" but sure I cant be coming on here and the likes without my research done.
Anyway I'm on page 4, and I've read so much about the hurt of 2005 that I'm allready thinking that we were quiet right to lie down in 2006 and perhaps given that there is so much hurt around from last years quarters that it would be only right to do the same again this year.
Poor Jack, how much hurt can one man take? And Micko snubbed him as well you know!
C'mere, Mikey, whats the story with young Quirke there, is it all really about injuries or is there a bitten of hope there for us bucks to latch on to of much unrest in the Kerry camp?
Can't see a jersey change. 05 and 06 both used traditional jerseys. Mayo took the decision to change in 04 as far as i know. Don't give 2 shites about what jersey Mayo wears personally as long as the job gets done.
Quote from: iorras on August 05, 2011, 11:53:05 AM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 04, 2011, 07:45:50 PM
What are they going to do about the jersey clash this time ? Since we have a divine right to win the AI I think Mayo should switch. What do ye think ?
Back to the provincial jersies I reckon, we never play well in them red yokes. The yellow Mitchells jersey that Rob Hennelly was wearing the last day would be even worse, given the connotations of that colour and 2006 and all that. Actually why dont ye stick to the blue yoke ye wore against Limerick? Ye were moving well in that, and we as the underdogs could stick to our traditional green and red. How about that?
On a related but different subject, I've started my research into the enemy by procuring a copy of Jack O'Connors book. I avoided it to date as my good friends around Firies and Castlegregory said "Yerraha, tisnt much of a read" but sure I cant be coming on here and the likes without my research done.
Anyway I'm on page 4, and I've read so much about the hurt of 2005 that I'm allready thinking that we were quiet right to lie down in 2006 and perhaps given that there is so much hurt around from last years quarters that it would be only right to do the same again this year.
Poor Jack, how much hurt can one man take? And Micko snubbed him as well you know!
C'mere, Mikey, whats the story with young Quirke there, is it all really about injuries or is there a bitten of hope there for us bucks to latch on to of much unrest in the Kerry camp?
Im down in tralee for a wedding the weekend before the game and in castlegregory the weekend after the game so there will be some craic for at least one of those weekends. I was in Cork the weekend before the Cork game so ill take that good omen!
Quote from: ballinaman on August 05, 2011, 12:44:37 PM
Can't see a jersey change. 05 and 06 both used traditional jerseys. Mayo took the decision to change in 04 as far as i know. Don't give 2 shites about what jersey Mayo wears personally as long as the job gets done.
+1
Dont give two shites either, doesnt matter one bit what jerseys we wear
Quote from: AbbeySider on August 05, 2011, 09:11:01 AM
Quote from: saffronandblue on August 04, 2011, 05:33:13 PM
Now with my saffron and blue glasses on I would think that Kilcoyne is at least an option as a game changer, is Howley not a more positive option than lets say Keegan and now the big question..........will CONOREEN be brought back.
I doubt that Kilcoyne would be brought back into the panel this year but then again you would never know. He would definitely be on my list to bring in next year though as I think he would strengthen the panel and still has a lot to offer.
Trevor Howley is just back from injury is he not? I think he has yet to play a full game so we will see how he gets on this weekend with Knockmore, but I agree; I think he would always be in contention for a spot in the half back line.
Regarding The Mort; I have mixed views. He is a player that could win a tight game for you as I know he has talent but is he a team player or more of an individual? Would a character like that upset things? Can you imagine his introduction in an All-Ireland final a la Stephen O'Néill for Tyrone? :D
Horan is carrying 4 or 5 extra players in the training panel who are not named in the 26 on matchday. I know Barry Moran is one of these but not sure on the rest - Howley, Burke, O'Reilly? possibly. But I think the point that we don't really have a strong forwards bench remains.
If we say Doherty starts the next day we have Varley, Ronaldson and Campbell as the only out-and-out forwards on the bench. Gardiner has being brought on as a forward sub the last couple of days and we could move Trevor or AOS forward but overall not our strongest area.
Quote from: kevmy on August 05, 2011, 03:37:29 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on August 05, 2011, 09:11:01 AM
Quote from: saffronandblue on August 04, 2011, 05:33:13 PM
Now with my saffron and blue glasses on I would think that Kilcoyne is at least an option as a game changer, is Howley not a more positive option than lets say Keegan and now the big question..........will CONOREEN be brought back.
I doubt that Kilcoyne would be brought back into the panel this year but then again you would never know. He would definitely be on my list to bring in next year though as I think he would strengthen the panel and still has a lot to offer.
Trevor Howley is just back from injury is he not? I think he has yet to play a full game so we will see how he gets on this weekend with Knockmore, but I agree; I think he would always be in contention for a spot in the half back line.
Regarding The Mort; I have mixed views. He is a player that could win a tight game for you as I know he has talent but is he a team player or more of an individual? Would a character like that upset things? Can you imagine his introduction in an All-Ireland final a la Stephen O'Néill for Tyrone? :D
Horan is carrying 4 or 5 extra players in the training panel who are not named in the 26 on matchday. I know Barry Moran is one of these but not sure on the rest - Howley, Burke, O'Reilly? possibly. But I think the point that we don't really have a strong forwards bench remains.
If we say Doherty starts the next day we have Varley, Ronaldson and Campbell as the only out-and-out forwards on the bench. Gardiner has being brought on as a forward sub the last couple of days and we could move Trevor or AOS forward but overall not our strongest area.
I think there is approx 31-32 players on the roster but I dont know who exactly is still there. I think its something along the lines of:
Jason Gibbons, James Burke, Trevor Howley, Eoin O Reilly, Neil Douglas(?), Barry Moran(?)
I am not sure about the last two.
If you look at the match programs, Garniner is actually named in the forwards towards the end of the subs which suggests he is considered in the forwards for now. He is a serious impact sub though, can you imagine trying to follow the likes of Kevin McLoughlin all over the pitch only then to have Gardiner coming on with fresh legs running rings around ya... nightmare stuff...
Quote from: iorras on August 05, 2011, 11:53:05 AM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 04, 2011, 07:45:50 PM
What are they going to do about the jersey clash this time ? Since we have a divine right to win the AI I think Mayo should switch. What do ye think ?
Back to the provincial jersies I reckon, we never play well in them red yokes. The yellow Mitchells jersey that Rob Hennelly was wearing the last day would be even worse, given the connotations of that colour and 2006 and all that. Actually why dont ye stick to the blue yoke ye wore against Limerick? Ye were moving well in that, and we as the underdogs could stick to our traditional green and red. How about that?
On a related but different subject, I've started my research into the enemy by procuring a copy of Jack O'Connors book. I avoided it to date as my good friends around Firies and Castlegregory said "Yerraha, tisnt much of a read" but sure I cant be coming on here and the likes without my research done.
Anyway I'm on page 4, and I've read so much about the hurt of 2005 that I'm allready thinking that we were quiet right to lie down in 2006 and perhaps given that there is so much hurt around from last years quarters that it would be only right to do the same again this year.
Poor Jack, how much hurt can one man take? And Micko snubbed him as well you know!
C'mere, Mikey, whats the story with young Quirke there, is it all really about injuries or is there a bitten of hope there for us bucks to latch on to of much unrest in the Kerry camp?
Quirke is a big lad and some big lads are just more prone to injury so I dont doubt that part of it, however, I'd say he just looked at the way things are going with Maher establishing himself and maybe he felt he hadn't been given a fair enough shot. The timing definitly indicates he wasnt happy but I wouldn't say it amounts to any general "unrest" in the panel. He will be a loss though, I personally didnt see him as a starting midfielder but he was a very handy fella to bring on.
I watched that cork match again, not trying to take away from mayo but cork were brutal, they just didn't play. Compare it to the dubs last nite for intensity and we're not at the races.
Kerry to win and be unprepared for the dubs in the final
Galvins mind is on the prizeeeeeeeeeee
http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/independent-woman/fashion/paul-gavin-online-shopping-its-etail-therapy-for-culchies-2841428.html
QuoteGalvins mind is on the prizeeeeeeeeeee
Poor lad.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 07, 2011, 10:24:42 PM
I watched that cork match again, not trying to take away from mayo but cork were brutal, they just didn't play. Compare it to the dubs last nite for intensity and we're not at the races.
Kerry to win and be unprepared for the dubs in the final
Why didn't they play though Mayo4Sam? Perhaps they weren't let! :o
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 08, 2011, 11:13:52 AM
Galvins mind is on the prizeeeeeeeeeee
http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/independent-woman/fashion/paul-gavin-online-shopping-its-etail-therapy-for-culchies-2841428.html
How can that bucko's head be right for playing football,also leaving himself open for an awful slagging.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 08, 2011, 11:13:52 AM
Galvins mind is on the prizeeeeeeeeeee
http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/independent-woman/fashion/paul-gavin-online-shopping-its-etail-therapy-for-culchies-2841428.html
dont know whether to laugh or cry reading that
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 08, 2011, 04:38:18 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 07, 2011, 10:24:42 PM
I watched that cork match again, not trying to take away from mayo but cork were brutal, they just didn't play. Compare it to the dubs last nite for intensity and we're not at the races.
Kerry to win and be unprepared for the dubs in the final
Why didn't they play though Mayo4Sam? Perhaps they weren't let! :o
I'd agree that was part of it but I just don't think it was the same team that turned out against down or Dublin in the league final
Brosnan could be dropped for the Mayo game.
From HoganStand
Brosnan could lose out in defensive reshuffle
09 August 2011
Kerry's Eoin Brosnan
Speculation is mounting that Eoin Brosnan will lose his place in the Kerry defence for Sunday week's All-Ireland SFC semi-final against Mayo.
The Dr Crokes clubman, who was lured out of retirement at the start of the year to play at centre back, is expected to make way as manager Jack O'Connor reintroduces Shane Enright to his defence after missing the facile All-Ireland SFC quarter-final win over Limerick through injury.
With Enright poised to return at corner back, Killian Young would move to wing back and Aidan O'Mahony to centre back, meaning Brosnan will have to be content with a place on the subs bench.
It's thought that the erstwhile half forward will be used as backup to the midfield partnership of Anthony Maher and Bryan Sheehan, with Seamus Scanlon also in the reckoning.
Wing forward Darran O'Sullivan is expected to recover from the hamstring injury he sustained against Limerick, while former full back Tommy Griffin is also back in the frame after a long injury layoff.
Quote from: RogerMilla on August 08, 2011, 05:15:09 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 08, 2011, 11:13:52 AM
Galvins mind is on the prizeeeeeeeeeee
http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/independent-woman/fashion/paul-gavin-online-shopping-its-etail-therapy-for-culchies-2841428.html
dont know whether to laugh or cry reading that
Maybe Kerry will turn out in the Liverpool 1996 white suits before the AI final if they win!
Looks like it was press night last night ahead of the semi final.
The bad news is that T Mort picked up some sort of knock last night in training, but no word yet on how serious it is. Reading into the reports, the Mayo setup don't seem too worried about it, so hopefully he'll be fine for Sunday week. That would two number 7s out injured (although Gardiner hasn't been playing there when brought on).
This is Horan's interview with RTE:
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2011/0810/horanj.html (http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2011/0810/horanj.html)
Mayo manager James Horan has admitted that his players savoured the underdog role for their All-Ireland Football Championship clash with Cork last month
However, he feels Kerry are not likely to fall into the trap of taking the Connacht champions lightly on Sunday week in the semi-finals.
Mayo produced the shock of the Championship by knocking out the Rebels in Croke Park as Horan's young side stifled the All-Ireland holders to make sure there would be no all-Munster clash in Headquarters on 21 August.
The Connacht champions were considered rank outsiders going into the meeting with Cork and Horan felt it was something his players used as motivation.
"It did us no harm. In the lead up to the Cork match we were ready. There was a lot of things said about us and our players which probably wasn't right and wasn't fair.
"It did certainly did us no harm to hear some of that and maybe it didn't do Cork any favours too.
"Kerry have been there so often that they won't be fooled by a favourites tag or an underdog tag and we'll just be looking to make sure we're as competitive as we can be."
After some poor matches in the early stages of the Connacht Championship, many pundits had written off the chance of the province having a team in the semi-finals. Horan is adamant that some comments on the quality of teams in Connacht this year were over the top.
He said: "I think a lot of that criticism is from people that are maybe trying to be sensationalist or maybe just trying to create some of sort of story.
"It is true that a lot of the games in Connacht this year were not great but the conditions weren't great either. The teams that got through Connacht this year, Roscommon and ourselves, have acquitted themselves well and hopefully we can continue that."
Horan's appointment was seen as a re-building job after a disastrous campaign in 2010 for the county. The former Ballintubber manager has hailed the introduction of new, young players to the panel, mixed with experience already in the ranks, as the key to their success.
"When we started the year it was hard to know where things with Mayo football were at. There were a lot of guys who's confidence was down and their form wasn't so good. But we got together at the beginning of the year and set out what we wanted to do.
"We used the league as a development ground for the Championship and it has worked out well for us so far.
"There are a lot of guys who have done very well for us like Jason Doherty, particularly in the league, Alan Freeman, Kevin McLaughlin and Cillian O'Connor later on in the Championship.
"So there are some very good young players that are moving into the team very well. But when you have the likes of Trevor Mortimer, Andy Moran and Alan Dillon playing the way they have been, it is a much easier environment to come in to.
"We're happy with where we are and looking forward to an All-Ireland semi-final on Sunday week."
O'Connor has been sensational with free-taking in the last two matches, playing a huge role in the wins over Roscommon and Cork.
The teenager savoured pressure of taking over placed ball duties for Mayo to quickly cement a place in the team. Horan has not been shocked by the forward's speedy progression after monitoring his development in recent years at Ballintubber.
Horan stated: "Cillian is a solid player and a very solid guy. He has done well in the Championship games to date. It is no surprise to me.
"I've seen Cillian play for years at underage at his club Ballintubber and he is just a very solid guy for a 19-year-old. He has a very good skill set and he is doing well for us."
Mayo have a number of injury corners for the tie with Kerry and they increased on Tuesday night when Trevor Mortimer picked up a knock in training.
Peadar Gardiner and Mark Ronaldson are doubts for Croke Park but Horan hopes all his players will be available for training this Friday.
Kerry wont be in their traditional green and gold for the Mayo game.
I would say its the first time Mayo played them in an away strip as I think Mayo have changed many times before.
From GAA.ie
Kerry and Mayo to wear alternative jerseys
Wednesday, August 10, 2011
Kerry and Mayo will wear alternative jerseys for their GAA Football Championship semi-final at Croke Park on Sunday, August 21.
As both sides' regular strips are predominatly green, the CCCC has informed both counties that they will have to wear their alternative gear.
Kerry will wear blue with a white trim, while Mayo will be kitted out in red with a green trim.
It will be the second successive game in which the Kingdom have been involved in a colour clash, as they also wore a changed strip in their quarter-final win over Limerick.
The last time Kerry and Mayo met in the Championship, the 2006 All-Ireland final, both teams wore their traditional 'home' jerseys.
I fuckin hate that red yoke, I'd much prefer the White Connacht one of '51
Didn't Mayo wear red v London this year? i think Kerry wore white v Meath in 2001.
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 10, 2011, 05:10:33 PM
Didn't Mayo wear red v London this year? i think Kerry wore white v Meath in 2001.
They certainly ran up the white flag anyways
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 10, 2011, 05:02:40 PM
I fuckin hate that red yoke, I'd much prefer the White Connacht one of '51
Totally agree, Christ I hate the bloody red one. They never seem to do well in it either! They even used it at home v Kerry in the league earlier in the year. WTF like?
I'd like to see them play in the jersey Robert Hennelly was playing in against Cork, its a fine looking jersey. It should be our second colours.
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRWsJdcgNC6fQB6cnpouWad2c21a3VInPTuEUvIUcUo7T5jN8tLFg)
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQzFwIo50i3shsddPcWUW0GEkhSehdKRsNa8cjfyaZ5Wp3Yevl-)
It seems that wearing red may not be such a disadvantage for a team:
Reds do better (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/wear/7289486.stm)
;)
We will be well used to wearing the blue geansai for the final against Donegal :P
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 10, 2011, 08:26:06 PM
I'd like to see them play in the jersey Robert Hennelly was playing in against Cork, its a fine looking jersey. It should be our second colours.
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRWsJdcgNC6fQB6cnpouWad2c21a3VInPTuEUvIUcUo7T5jN8tLFg)
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQzFwIo50i3shsddPcWUW0GEkhSehdKRsNa8cjfyaZ5Wp3Yevl-)
Nah. We should wear the colours of our most successful club - Ballina Stephenites.
Quote from: moysider on August 10, 2011, 10:35:04 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 10, 2011, 08:26:06 PM
I'd like to see them play in the jersey Robert Hennelly was playing in against Cork, its a fine looking jersey. It should be our second colours.
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRWsJdcgNC6fQB6cnpouWad2c21a3VInPTuEUvIUcUo7T5jN8tLFg)
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQzFwIo50i3shsddPcWUW0GEkhSehdKRsNa8cjfyaZ5Wp3Yevl-)
Nah. We should wear the colours of our most successful club - Ballina Stephenites.
Ya but which colours will be the top dogs in this years County Championship ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 10, 2011, 08:30:40 PM
It seems that wearing red may not be such a disadvantage for a team:
Reds do better (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/wear/7289486.stm)
;)
Mmmmmm
Kerry - football & most Munster provincial football titles
Kilkenny - hurling
Tipperary - hurling
Mayo & Galway - joint most provincials in Connacht football (ya I know, who plays in red :P )
Cavan - most provincials in Ulster football
Dublin - most provincials in Leinster football
Brazil - soccer
Argentina - soccer
Germany - soccer
Italy - soccer
Uruguay - soccer
Glasgow Celtic - Scottish soccer
Glasgow Rangers - Scottish soccer
Real Madrid - soccer
New Zealand - rugby
Australia - rugby
South Africa - rugby
France - rugby
England - rugby
Ireland - rugby
USA - Basketball
Australia - Cricket
Pakistan - Cricket
India - Cricket
West Indies - Cricket
USA - Olympics
Germany - Olympics
France - Olympics
Australia - Olympics
& of course the best cyclist at the Tour de France wears Yellow ;)
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 10, 2011, 11:57:14 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 10, 2011, 10:35:04 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 10, 2011, 08:26:06 PM
I'd like to see them play in the jersey Robert Hennelly was playing in against Cork, its a fine looking jersey. It should be our second colours.
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRWsJdcgNC6fQB6cnpouWad2c21a3VInPTuEUvIUcUo7T5jN8tLFg)
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQzFwIo50i3shsddPcWUW0GEkhSehdKRsNa8cjfyaZ5Wp3Yevl-)
Nah. We should wear the colours of our most successful club - Ballina Stephenites.
Ya but which colours will be the top dogs in this years County Championship ;)
I think the county colours are not a bad bet at all. Coming along nicely.
With red selected as the colour maybe all Mayo fans could dress up like Muppet Elmo for the day?
(http://images.wikia.com/muppet/images/5/5a/Elmo-elmo-elmo.jpg)
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 11, 2011, 12:09:00 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 10, 2011, 08:30:40 PM
It seems that wearing red may not be such a disadvantage for a team:
Reds do better (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/wear/7289486.stm)
;)
Mmmmmm
Kerry - football & most Munster provincial football titles
Kilkenny - hurling
Tipperary - hurling
Mayo & Galway - joint most provincials in Connacht football (ya I know, who plays in red :P )
Cavan - most provincials in Ulster football
Dublin - most provincials in Leinster football
Brazil - soccer
Argentina - soccer
Germany - soccer
Italy - soccer
Uruguay - soccer
Glasgow Celtic - Scottish soccer
Glasgow Rangers - Scottish soccer
Real Madrid - soccer
New Zealand - rugby
Australia - rugby
South Africa - rugby
France - rugby
England - rugby
Ireland - rugby
USA - Basketball
Australia - Cricket
Pakistan - Cricket
India - Cricket
West Indies - Cricket
USA - Olympics
Germany - Olympics
France - Olympics
Australia - Olympics
& of course the best cyclist at the Tour de France wears Yellow ;)
Yeah. And the Giro leader/winner wears pink. I reckon Mayo should wear pink. If you re comfortable enough like Bouffon or Stade Francaise it is actually a statement about your class/confidence.
Quote from: ross4life on August 11, 2011, 12:28:52 AM
With red selected as the colour maybe all Mayo fans could dress up like Muppet Elmo for the day?
(http://images.wikia.com/muppet/images/5/5a/Elmo-elmo-elmo.jpg)
Never mind that stuff ross4forlife. What do you know about the Ross/ Kerry challenge in Limerick a few weeks ago? Darragh O Sé reckons Kerry beat Ross handy enough in that game and as a result figured Tyrone were gonners when they had to push themselves to put Ros away. Then Dublin go and whack Tyrone as he believed they would.
Now everybody knows that League and challenges don t matter - fellas half my age tell me that. Yet no less than Darragh O Sé is coming to conclusions based on a challenge below in Limerick. And Ros's performance for an hour v that Tyrone team is looking a lot less in value than it did at the time. So what happened in Limerick?
Darragh O Sé seems to think that Mayo will park the bus a la Donegal against Kerry in his column this week.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0810/1224302182064.html
Extract:
Donegal will do that and I wouldn't see anything wrong with it at all. Neither Donegal nor Mayo will get any criticism here for how they set up in the two semi-finals. These are huge journeys those two teams are on and the last thing they should do now is change their style just because they're in the semi-final. They have to believe they can go and win the All Ireland now and do it their own way.
The only way to beat them is not to let them get into their stride in any way, shape or form. From the start we need to hammer into them (legitimately) the same way we got stuck into Cork. It was great to see young Cillian O'Connor throwing himself around in the physical stakes even after the ball was gone. It would be easy for a young lad to shrivel up and opt out. Personally that was the winning of the Cork game for me.
It is essential that we don't let them get comfortable. A dirty scrappy low scoring stop start first half is required. If they get a lead, they will kill us (like many others). We will never outscore them. We are a second half team. If we are still in it at halftime, I have complete faith in the team to close it out in the second half. A lot of these Kerry lads are knocking around for a long time and similar to Cork, if the going gets tough in the second half, the weight of 6-8 yrs of football and 3 All Ireland Medals will surely slow them down.
On a separate issue we wore a reverse Red above the Green jersey in 1988 against Meath in the Semi Final. Was that the one and only time that jersey appeared?
Quote from: moysider on August 11, 2011, 12:54:26 AM
Quote from: ross4life on August 11, 2011, 12:28:52 AM
Never mind that stuff ross4forlife. What do you know about the Ross/ Kerry challenge in Limerick a few weeks ago? Darragh O Sé reckons Kerry beat Ross handy enough in that game . So what happened in Limerick?
A number of different versions but 2-17 to 1-15 seems to have been the most popular scoreline.
There was a 2-19 to 12 points mentioned as well so don't be gettin too cocky over there in rhubarbland ;)
Quote from: Greenabovethered on August 11, 2011, 10:19:53 AM
if the going gets tough in the second half, the weight of 6-8 yrs of football and 3 All Ireland Medals will surely slow them down.
After a nice long break last summer and not contesting the league final this year or last, I'd imagine the three AI medals would be more of a help than a hindrance when the going gets tough.
Quote from: Greenabovethered on August 11, 2011, 10:19:53 AM
On a separate issue we wore a reverse Red above the Green jersey in 1988 against Meath in the Semi Final. Was that the one and only time that jersey appeared?
1992 AISF Mayo v Donegal
(http://www.inpho.ie/cache/inpho/12/d5/1d/d8f24e12972b89a23e6f47288f33a569e1b03cd1cf/INPHO_00110260.jpg)
There's McHale up to no good again.
f**k it. The shagging red jersey it is then. I hope and pray my ticket is for the Hogan so. I ordered mine last night from the club. God only knows where it will be for!
It's only a fcking jersey. It won't matter a damn to Horan and I hope it won't matter a damn to any of the lads taking to the field.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 11, 2011, 12:28:40 PM
There's McHale up to no good again.
He never touched him. The Donegal lad just got overpowered by the smell of St Tropez. It can cause severe headaches if you're not used to it.
Quote from: Chimley on August 11, 2011, 01:08:38 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 11, 2011, 12:28:40 PM
There's McHale up to no good again.
He never touched him. The Donegal lad just got overpowered by the smell of St Tropez. It can cause severe headaches if you're not used to it.
Matt Gallagher (i presume): "D'oh, why did i take that pass. Sure i haven't a hope of passing this guy"
Kerry have to be favourites of course, but Mayo have a good chance of causing an upset.
Their completely unexpected win over Cork will give the players confidence and there's no shortage of talent their either.
It would be great to see a Mayo v Donegal final IMO.
I think Mayo need to play against Kerry exactly the same way they played against Cork in the 2nd half. If they can do that over the 70 mins, they've a real chance.
Quote from: Greenabovethered on August 11, 2011, 10:19:53 AM
If they get a lead, they will kill us (like many others). We will never outscore them.
We're fucked so
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 11, 2011, 02:24:18 PM
Quote from: Greenabovethered on August 11, 2011, 10:19:53 AM
If they get a lead, they will kill us (like many others). We will never outscore them.
We're fucked so
Seems we will need Paul Galvin to get a rush of blood to the head and slot a shot into his own net. Only way we can win without outscoring Kerry.
Quote from: AbbeySider on August 10, 2011, 04:35:21 PM
Kerry wont be in their traditional green and gold for the Mayo game.
I would say its the first time Mayo played them in an away strip as I think Mayo have changed many times before.
1981 All-Ireland semi-final - Kerry in all-blue and Mayo in all-white
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Never mind that stuff ross4forlife. What do you know about the Ross/ Kerry challenge in Limerick a few weeks ago? Darragh O Sé reckons Kerry beat Ross handy enough in that game and as a result figured Tyrone were gonners when they had to push themselves to put Ros away. Then Dublin go and whack Tyrone as he believed they would.
Now everybody knows that League and challenges don t matter - fellas half my age tell me that. Yet no less than Darragh O Sé is coming to conclusions based on a challenge below in Limerick. And Ros's performance for an hour v that Tyrone team is looking a lot less in value than it did at the time. So what happened in Limerick?
I heard from a reliable source the final scoreline was 1-22 to 1-15 Kerry started with more or less the same team that played v Limerick. Yes i know it was just a challenge game but letting in 1-15 to us -Kilbride & others has to be a worry? of course a week later we scored 1-14 v Tyrone (should have scored at least 2-20) & no doubt the Dubs worked on their weakness at the back.
Kerry didn't look great at the back v Limerick either or v Cork in the 2nd half of Munster final but obviously it will come down to how Mayo hold arguably the best forward line in Ireland.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 11, 2011, 01:01:04 PM
f**k it. The shagging red jersey it is then. I hope and pray my ticket is for the Hogan so. I ordered mine last night from the club. God only knows where it will be for!
Super Value were selling lower hogan section 334 and 335 tickets. Wore the red jersey in the semi final replay v fermanagh in 04 too.
Get a fukn grip re the jerseys lads-As if the likes of AD AM COC et al give a flyin f**k what colour is on their backs after 9 months of hard graft.Jeezzz give the lads a little fukn credit
Quote from: sans pessimism on August 12, 2011, 01:02:32 PM
Get a fukn grip re the jerseys lads-As if the likes of AD AM COC et al give a flyin f**k what colour is on their backs after 9 months of hard graft.Jeezzz give the lads a little fukn credit
Alan Dillon has been remarkable all year long. Andy Moran will probably get an all-star. Cillian O'Connor has been a revelation with the frees. ;D
Anyway it's time to start thinking aobut the match itself. I believe our midfield will hold their own with Kerry to be honest and it will be a tight game and that whoever wins it will have earned it.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 12, 2011, 01:45:19 PM
Quote from: sans pessimism on August 12, 2011, 01:02:32 PM
Get a fukn grip re the jerseys lads-As if the likes of AD AM COC et al give a flyin f**k what colour is on their backs after 9 months of hard graft.Jeezzz give the lads a little fukn credit
Alan Dillon has been remarkable all year long. Andy Moran will probably get an all-star. Cillian O'Connor has been a revelation with the frees. ;D
Anyway it's time to start thinking aobut the match itself. I believe our midfield will hold their own with Kerry to be honest and it will be a tight game and that whoever wins it will have earned it.
Midfield is key, if we win that we have a good chance of winning the game
Quote from: sans pessimism on August 12, 2011, 01:02:32 PM
Get a fukn grip re the jerseys lads-As if the likes of AD AM COC et al give a flyin f**k what colour is on their backs after 9 months of hard graft.Jeezzz give the lads a little fukn credit
Totally agree! The time for piseoigs has gone. If these lads play like they did against Cork it will be one hell of a game!
Quote from: Chimley on August 11, 2011, 09:59:43 AM
Darragh O Sé seems to think that Mayo will park the bus a la Donegal against Kerry in his column this week.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0810/1224302182064.html
Extract:
Donegal will do that and I wouldn't see anything wrong with it at all. Neither Donegal nor Mayo will get any criticism here for how they set up in the two semi-finals. These are huge journeys those two teams are on and the last thing they should do now is change their style just because they're in the semi-final. They have to believe they can go and win the All Ireland now and do it their own way.
See, trouble in the Kerry camp. "O'Shea backs Mayo" the Sun can exclusively reveal. Although his fecken Uncle backed us before and that didn't end too well for us.
Quote from: iorras on August 13, 2011, 06:42:01 AM
Quote from: Chimley on August 11, 2011, 09:59:43 AM
Darragh O Sé seems to think that Mayo will park the bus a la Donegal against Kerry in his column this week.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0810/1224302182064.html
Extract:
Donegal will do that and I wouldn't see anything wrong with it at all. Neither Donegal nor Mayo will get any criticism here for how they set up in the two semi-finals. These are huge journeys those two teams are on and the last thing they should do now is change their style just because they're in the semi-final. They have to believe they can go and win the All Ireland now and do it their own way.
See, trouble in the Kerry camp. "O'Shea backs Mayo" the Sun can exclusively reveal. Although his fecken Uncle backed us before and that didn't end too well for us.
At this stage Mayo are unbackable. The momentum is just too much after the Cork game.
Hope the surface has improved since the Cork game-Choice of footware not the problem
Both Tony & Kevin giving Kerry the nod on TSG - Hope they're right!
I was delighted for Mayo. Great discipline and some lovely scores and sure why wouldn't they go all the way now ?
Fabulous to keep Cork to 2 points for such a long period of play.
I saved that Dara O Se article fromearlier in the summer about how pisspoor Connacht football is and how
they need the connacht final because they have nothing else to get excited about, the craythurs. He said if Mayo got organised they would be great, implying they never would.
I see that Tomas oShea is an injury doubt for Kerry as he tweaked his hamstring in a closed door game on saturday. He would be a huge loss for the kingdom as Mayo would nearly have to deploy a player to mark him and stop his attacking runs up the field.
Don't believe a word of it. There are always key players struggling for Kerry in the run-up to big games only to turn in man of the match performances on the day
Quote from: Chimley on August 15, 2011, 09:58:53 AM
Don't believe a word of it. There are always key players struggling for Kerry in the run-up to big games only to turn in man of the match performances on the day
+1
Kerry cute hoorism. You could nearly set your watch to it ::)
Quote from: AbbeySider on August 15, 2011, 10:06:44 AM
Quote from: Chimley on August 15, 2011, 09:58:53 AM
Don't believe a word of it. There are always key players struggling for Kerry in the run-up to big games only to turn in man of the match performances on the day
+1
Kerry cute hoorism. You could nearly set your watch to it ::)
Indeed usual nonsense alright, gooch on a bender with donaghy, galvin lands modelling contract with CK and must travel to milan day of mayo game................yerra yerra
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 15, 2011, 10:52:41 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on August 15, 2011, 10:06:44 AM
Quote from: Chimley on August 15, 2011, 09:58:53 AM
Don't believe a word of it. There are always key players struggling for Kerry in the run-up to big games only to turn in man of the match performances on the day
+1
Kerry cute hoorism. You could nearly set your watch to it ::)
Indeed usual nonsense alright, gooch on a bender with donaghy, galvin lands modelling contract with CK and must travel to milan day of mayo game................yerra yerra
Brosnan being dropped causing major ructions in the camp
Quirke walking off the panel after bust up with O Connor
Killorglin baby tested postive for cryptosporidium :P
.........King Puck turns out to be gay!!
I hear T More is injured and likely to be replaced by Lee Keegan.
P Gardiner might be struggling also, hamstring injury in a club game weekend before last.
Quote from: iorras on August 15, 2011, 02:28:31 PM
I hear T More is injured and likely to be replaced by Lee Keegan.
P Gardiner might be struggling also, hamstring injury in a club game weekend before last.
I heard Trev had picked up an injury but it didn't seem as bad as you heard. I think I read Keegan had a good game in his last club match.
Did someone say McGarrity picked up a knock in the last week too.
T Mort would be a huge loss. Haven't seen enough of Keegan to know how good he is.
McG would be a loss too although I doubt he'll be starter regardless - unless JH decides to spring something from left field like playing him @ FF or something. Highly unlikely though I reckon
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 15, 2011, 03:27:39 PM
Quote from: iorras on August 15, 2011, 02:28:31 PM
I hear T More is injured and likely to be replaced by Lee Keegan.
P Gardiner might be struggling also, hamstring injury in a club game weekend before last.
I heard Trev had picked up an injury but it didn't seem as bad as you heard. I think I read Keegan had a good game in his last club match.
Did someone say McGarrity picked up a knock in the last week too.
All knocks acquired playing hurling ;)
Serious q guys, whos the oldest on the kerry panel..................tommy griffin, tomas ose is getting on a bit now or is he ????
Sounds like Tomás O'Sé could be ok for Sunday:
@tonyleen Tony Leen
Lots of ice, physio for Tomas O Se this week but no tear in hamstring - that's de good news. Still, decision on Mayo won't b made til Sunday
Quote from: Tubberman on August 15, 2011, 05:15:59 PM
Sounds like Tomás O'Sé could be ok for Sunday:
@tonyleen Tony Leen
Lots of ice, physio for Tomas O Se this week but no tear in hamstring - that's de good news. Still, decision on Mayo won't b made til Sunday
In other words hes brand new.........................worth 2 points to kerry going forward, once he starts that surge forward time to put him out
Quote from: AbbeySider on August 15, 2011, 10:58:55 AM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 15, 2011, 10:52:41 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on August 15, 2011, 10:06:44 AM
Quote from: Chimley on August 15, 2011, 09:58:53 AM
Don't believe a word of it. There are always key players struggling for Kerry in the run-up to big games only to turn in man of the match performances on the day
+1
Kerry cute hoorism. You could nearly set your watch to it ::)
Indeed usual nonsense alright, gooch on a bender with donaghy, galvin lands modelling contract with CK and must travel to milan day of mayo game................yerra yerra
Brosnan being dropped causing major ructions in the camp
Quirke walking off the panel after bust up with O Connor
Killorglin baby tested postive for cryptosporidium :P
very parnoid response...... Nobody in Kerry is too worked up about Brosnan or Quirke. Its not our fault that ye are watching our every move....getting a bit nervous are we ?
I think mayo have a real chance. If they do the same as they done to Cork they could win. However Mort will be a huge loss. He's been one of the key players this year. Really hope the lads pull it off on the day!
Quote from: Sam2011 on August 15, 2011, 07:55:20 PM
I think mayo have a real chance. If they do the same as they done to Cork they could win. However Mort will be a huge loss. He's been one of the key players this year. Really hope the lads pull it off on the day!
I wouldn't be losing too much sleep over Mort if I was you. Them cute Kerry hoors are at it again; from here o n to the throw in you are going to get a list of supposed injuries, players on piss ups, dust ups in training and whatever ye're havin' yerself.
The routine never changes. All of them will trot out onto the pitch come Sunday evening without a bother on them.
I suspect James is doing a Jack O'Connor and playing him at his own game.
I thought I heard Spillane on de sunday game saying a lot of the Kerry forwards are the wrong side of 30.
I would love a Mayo Donegal final with Mayo winning by a point.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 15, 2011, 09:57:57 PM
The routine never changes. All of them will trot out onto the pitch come Sunday evening without a bother on them.
I suspect James is doing a Jack O'Connor and playing him at his own game.
+1
pure mind games going on
Quote from: ildanach on August 15, 2011, 10:11:49 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 15, 2011, 09:57:57 PM
The routine never changes. All of them will trot out onto the pitch come Sunday evening without a bother on them.
I suspect James is doing a Jack O'Connor and playing him at his own game.
+1
pure mind games going on
I've a friend from Kerry sent me a text a few days ago bullshiting about trouble in Kerry camp. He later admitted that a rake of them (lads in the pub) where in the pub sending similar texts to Mayo friends to wind them up. Never believe a word from a Kerryman between August and September ;)
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 15, 2011, 10:14:54 PM
Never believe a word from a Kerryman between August and September ;)
That must be why the missus insisted on getting married in July. ;)
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 15, 2011, 09:57:57 PM
Quote from: Sam2011 on August 15, 2011, 07:55:20 PM
I think mayo have a real chance. If they do the same as they done to Cork they could win. However Mort will be a huge loss. He's been one of the key players this year. Really hope the lads pull it off on the day!
I wouldn't be losing too much sleep over Mort if I was you. Them cute Kerry hoors are at it again; from here o n to the throw in you are going to get a list of supposed injuries, players on piss ups, dust ups in training and whatever ye're havin' yerself.
The routine never changes. All of them will trot out onto the pitch come Sunday evening without a bother on them.
I suspect James is doing a Jack O'Connor and playing him at his own game.
Don't worry i won't be loosing to much sleep over him! Would love to see him and Galvin have a good go at each other!
Typical Kerry all right at the injury rumours. Don't think James will take much heed of them.
Marc Ó Sé 31
Tommy Griffin 33
Tom O'Sullivan 32
Tomás Ó Sé 33
Séamus Scanlon 30
Paul Galvin 31
Aidan O'Mahony 31
Ye might want this for when the new Mary is crowned next week. The words could be handy around 5.00pm on Sunday as well.
The pale moon was rising above the green mountain
The sun was declining beneath the blue sea
When I strayed with my love to the pure crystal fountain
That stands in beautiful vale of Tralee.
She was lovely and fair as the rose of the summer
Yet, 'twas not her beauty alone that won me
Oh no! 'Twas the the truth in her eye ever beaming
That made me love Mary, the Rose of Tralee.
The cool shades of evening their mantle were spreading
And Mary all smiling was listening to me
The moon through the valley her pale rays was shedding
When I won the heart of the Rose of Tralee.
Though lovely and fair as the rose of the summer
Yet, 'twas not her beauty alone that won me
Oh no! 'Twas the the truth in her eye ever beaming
That made me love Mary, the Rose of Tralee.
Quote from: Frank Casey on August 15, 2011, 11:09:46 PM
Ye might want this for when the new Mary is crowned next week. The words could be handy around 5.00pm on Sunday as well.
The pale moon was rising above the green mountain
The sun was declining beneath the blue sea
When I strayed with my love to the pure crystal fountain
That stands in beautiful vale of Tralee.
She was lovely and fair as the rose of the summer
Yet, 'twas not her beauty alone that won me
Oh no! 'Twas the the truth in her eye ever beaming
That made me love Mary, the Rose of Tralee.
The cool shades of evening their mantle were spreading
And Mary all smiling was listening to me
The moon through the valley her pale rays was shedding
When I won the heart of the Rose of Tralee.
Though lovely and fair as the rose of the summer
Yet, 'twas not her beauty alone that won me
Oh no! 'Twas the the truth in her eye ever beaming
That made me love Mary, the Rose of Tralee.
You'd never know it might be.......
Moonlight in Mayoit was just a year ago today I left old Erin's Isle
my heart was throbbin in the soft light of my colleen's smile
in all my dreams I seem to hearher sweet voice soft and low
I know she's waiting where we said goodbye in old Mayo
CHORUS
for two irish eyes are shining
and an Irish heart is pining
and when I kissed her and caressed her
in the gloaming long ago
loving Irish arms will press me
and true Irish love caress me
and sweet Irish lips will bless me
when it's Moonlight in Mayo
her Irish eyes like beacons shine all in the darkest night
I know the sweet love beams below will always fill the world with light
the roses of her cheeks will lend enchantment to the sea
and when shamrocks wear the dew I'll wed my sweet colleen
or this....
Far away from the Land of the Shamrock and Heather
In search of a living as exiles we roam.
But whenever we chance to assemble together
We think of the land where we once had a home.
But these homes are destroyed and our soils cultivated.
The hand of the tyrant brought plunder and woe.
Our fires are long dead and our hearths desolated
In our once happy homes in the County Mayo.
'Tis many long years since with hearts full of sorrow,
The Land of the Shamrock we left far behind.
The days of our youth it's now we regret them,
And the friends of our childhood whom we still bear in mind.
Ah! The days of our youth we'll never forget them
They cling to our visions wherever we go.
And the friends of our youth, may God always be with them.
They too are exiles from the County Mayo.
From historic Killala, from Swinford to Ballagh,
Ballyhaunis and Westport and oul' Castlebar,
Kiltimagh and Claremorris, Belmullet and Erris,
Kilkelly and Knock, that's famed near and far,
Balla, Ballinrobe, Ballina and Bohola,
Keel Oaks and Foxford, a few miles below,
Newport and Cong and oul' Straide and Manulla,
Charlestown too, in the County Mayo.
Chorus:
Now Boys, pull together in all kinds of weather,
Ne'er show the white feather wherever ye go.
Act each like a brother and help one and other,
Like the stout-hearted men from the County Mayo
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 15, 2011, 09:57:57 PM
The routine never changes. All of them will trot out onto the pitch come Sunday evening without a bother on them.
I suspect James is doing a Jack O'Connor and playing him at his own game.
Ah Jaysus Lar, do you really think Horan would bother his arse engaging in that kind of shite? That he'd not play Trevor in an A v B game one week before the game to try to hoodwink O'Connor? Trevor is an injury doubt and is touch and go. From what I've heard O Se did pull up but there's no tear and, with plenty of physio this week, will play. It is too small a world to be inventing fake injuries.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 15, 2011, 07:40:56 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on August 15, 2011, 10:58:55 AM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 15, 2011, 10:52:41 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on August 15, 2011, 10:06:44 AM
Quote from: Chimley on August 15, 2011, 09:58:53 AM
Don't believe a word of it. There are always key players struggling for Kerry in the run-up to big games only to turn in man of the match performances on the day
+1
Kerry cute hoorism. You could nearly set your watch to it ::)
Indeed usual nonsense alright, gooch on a bender with donaghy, galvin lands modelling contract with CK and must travel to milan day of mayo game................yerra yerra
Brosnan being dropped causing major ructions in the camp
Quirke walking off the panel after bust up with O Connor
Killorglin baby tested postive for cryptosporidium :P
very parnoid response...... Nobody in Kerry is too worked up about Brosnan or Quirke. Its not our fault that ye are watching our every move....getting a bit nervous are we ?
Not in the slightest. Was half taking the pi55 out of ourselves a bit there Mike. But these stories are often abound from the Kerry camp, be it intentionally or not.
No need to get excited though, getting nervous are we? ;)
Quote from: seafoid on August 15, 2011, 10:09:09 PM
I thought I heard Spillane on de sunday game saying a lot of the Kerry forwards are the wrong side of 30.
I would love a Mayo Donegal final with Mayo winning by a point.
Really? I can only think of 1 - Galvin maybe. Then again maybe they ve brought Ó Cinn. Mike Frank, Crowley, Egan and Sheehy back.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 15, 2011, 11:01:59 PM
Marc Ó Sé 31
Tommy Griffin 33
Tom O'Sullivan 32
Tomás Ó Sé 33
Séamus Scanlon 30
Paul Galvin 31
Aidan O'Mahony 31
By the looks of it Kerry will have a lot of big names to replace in the years ahead.
Bohane and Enright are probably two replacements almost ready anyway.
I think an awful lot depends on how we handle Galvin and TO'S - if they both play well, I find it hard to see us winning. If we can frustrate them and beat them to the breaking ball then we have a decent chance.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on August 15, 2011, 11:42:57 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 15, 2011, 09:57:57 PM
The routine never changes. All of them will trot out onto the pitch come Sunday evening without a bother on them.
I suspect James is doing a Jack O'Connor and playing him at his own game.
Ah Jaysus Lar, do you really think Horan would bother his arse engaging in that kind of shite? That he'd not play Trevor in an A v B game one week before the game to try to hoodwink O'Connor? Trevor is an injury doubt and is touch and go. From what I've heard O Se did pull up but there's no tear and, with plenty of physio this week, will play. It is too small a world to be inventing fake injuries.
Not good, not good at all. So even if he makes it he will be limited to an extent. He s been great for us this summer after been messed about for the guts of a decade. He s been as important as Andy, Dillon, the Ó Sé s, McL or whoever. We need his competitive, thick edge.
Rumours about p Galvin not being right now either.
MatteraDamn as the man says, Kerry have plenty of great players to fill spots as needed, ah sure it'll be like the Cork game, great to get another day out, sure we'll hardly keep the ball kicked out to them.
Am convinced that Mayo will win this one. Jist have this hunch gnawing away in my head that despite Kerry having the best players in the land that (like Tyrone), they haven't learnt the lessons of 2010.
As for their "injuries", please lads don't even bother commenting on them, pure yerraism, they will all be like spring lambs next Sunday.
I am going to call it for Mayo.
The young legs of Mayo to win this one and have a good crack at sam too........................kerrys forward line is hardcore, however midfield and defense isnt that awe inspiring, mayo to run them ragged and show them no respect
"I have a figure in my head of what I want to get up to in terms of medals. I'm not there yet. It is no good having twos and threes and fours in Kerry because there's players with a lot more than you"
Kerry Darren OSullivan.................http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2011/0816/osullivand_kerry.html
::)
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on August 15, 2011, 11:42:57 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 15, 2011, 09:57:57 PM
The routine never changes. All of them will trot out onto the pitch come Sunday evening without a bother on them.
I suspect James is doing a Jack O'Connor and playing him at his own game.
Ah Jaysus Lar, do you really think Horan would bother his arse engaging in that kind of shite? That he'd not play Trevor in an A v B game one week before the game to try to hoodwink O'Connor? Trevor is an injury doubt and is touch and go. From what I've heard O Se did pull up but there's no tear and, with plenty of physio this week, will play. It is too small a world to be inventing fake injuries.
I'd sincerely hope that he would and right now I'm praying that he is. The alternative is something I'd prefer not to think about.
Sound man, James; I always thought he was the best man for the manager's by a country mile and he hasn't put a foot wrong so far.
Now, it's quite possible that Trevor picked up an injury. If he did, I'd expect the Mayo camp to take no chances whatsoever and not risk him in a training match. Word goes out and the "O woe is us" brigade spring into action.
If you notice, I never said his injury was faked but it's natural to expect that reports of it are greatly exaggerated. Same probably holds true for Jack O'Connor and his team.
However, it seems to me that more miracles take place in the Kerry dressing room before every big game than you'd find in Knock, Fatima and Lourdes in a decade.
Never fear; Ó Sé will turn out and will be leppin' about like a young colt until old age beckons and he is well and truly horsed.
I'd have expected at least a half dozen injury scares from the Kerry camp by now and I would be expecting each and every one of them to right itself before the team comes down the tunnel. I'm sure none of them are deliberately faked and I'm equally sure all of them will have cleared up before the ball is thrown in.
Me mates, Mad Mike and Kerry Martin, down in my favourite place of worship, are having none of it and neither am I.
I will accept that Trevor's injury is serious when James Horan says it is and I won't be holding my breath for that. I've told the gruesome twosome that I'll go by the bookies odds before throw in and I'll be asking them to but their money where their big, fat mouths are.
Them and their effin' Mexican wave routine! I'll sicken the pair of them cute hoors. ;D
Interview with James Horan in the Irish Times today: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0816/1224302523793.html
'We sat down and plotted out a few things we would like to achieve - so far so good'
Tue, Aug 16, 2011
GAELIC GAMES: KEITH DUGGAN talks to Mayo manager James Horan who has quietly assembled an unhyped team that thrives on the collective
IF THERE is something different about Mayo this year, then the starting point of that change has to be their manager.
For the first time in living memory, Mayo have made it to the last four of the All-Ireland with little of the fanfare that signalled their other ill-fated runs. The Ballintubber man is calm and low-key and it is as though the entire county has taken its cue from his bearing.
As one of the most dashing player on the Mayo team of the mid-1990s, Horan has plenty of first hand experience of how the county football team can energise and excite the county.
But on a dark night at the stadium in Castlebar, it was easy to believe Horan when he predicted that the mood would be different as they prepared for Kerry. After they sent the All-Ireland champions Cork out of the championship with ease, Mayo just resumed their routine.
"It hasn't been difficult. We had club games on the Sunday afterwards and with the knocks and bangs, it was back to normal. Back at it and back training.
"I don't think that (surge in expectation) will happen this year. Mayo people are very realistic this year. But that is the general public point of view. We will just keep doing what we have been doing: keep our heads down and train hard. And we are looking forward to the game."
In 1996, Horan played on a Mayo team that raised eyebrows by leaving Kerry cold in the All-Ireland semi-final. They went on to participate in the most controversial All-Ireland final in living memory against Meath, when literally a bounce of the ball denied the county its first title since 1951.
Horan had finished up playing when Kerry made ribbons of Mayo teams in the 2004 and 2006 All-Ireland finals and wasn't particularly impressed by the idea that Kerry might have some kind of hold on Mayo teams.
"Kerry have a psychological hold on a lot of teams I suppose. But no, not particularly. You can link and trend anything if you want to go that route. But this team are just keeping it fairly simple, we will play the game and won't be looking or listening to what is happening outside that."
Horan's success with Ballintubber made him the smartest choice to succeed John O'Mahony but because Mayo is such a high-profile county, there was always a chance that the county board would be drawn to a flashy resumé from elsewhere.
Horan wasted little time in chiselling out the kind of team and attitude he felt would take Mayo places. If their league form was neurotic – they occasionally became caught up in those crazy unpredictable shootouts that seemed to underline the flamboyant and open house nature of Mayo football – their overall attitude was beginning to change.
They became meaner defensively. Aidan O'Shea was transformed from a mercurial full forward with a stellar minor career into an old-fashioned midfielder. Trevor Mortimer came back to add experience and cunning to the defensive unit.
Horan had the courage to pick a teenage free-taker, Cillian O'Connor, whose poise in the rain-storm of the Connacht final was magnificent. Against Cork, O'Connor was again immaculate. The collective works like a demon and they have fast developed the reputation for being the meanest second-half team in the country.
"We have done very well. It is not something we consciously planned. Maybe the weather conditions had a hand in it. We will certainly need to start well. History shows that if you don't start well against Kerry it can be over very quickly so we need to start when the ball is thrown in.
"We looked to address fitness and strength and condition – maybe that wouldn't have been high on the agenda of Mayo teams down the years. If you look at the Cork game we only played well for 50 minutes really."
Mayo's second half performance was so full of conviction that it is easy to forget those jittery opening minutes. The thought must have crossed many Mayo minds that another sledging was on the cards. Their recovery from that unpromising opening was methodical and impressive and completely confounded general expectations.
It was refreshing that Horan didn't go down the-everybody-wrote-us-off road after the match – but then he has always been gloriously indifferent to general and critical opinion. The same is true now; once again, Mayo will face Kerry as outsiders.
"It doesn't bother me," he shrugs. "Sometimes that stuff can certainly help focus a team. It didn't do us any harm leading up to the Cork game. It took a while to know where we were and where we could go but after a few league games we sat down and plotted out a few things we would like to achieve – so far so good.
"Cork was a big milestone. And now we are looking at being as competitive as we can be in Croke Park for as long as we can."
When Kerry played Mayo in Castlebar this spring, Jack O'Connor unveiled Eoin Brosnan as his new centre-back and the visitors won an even contest with a late surge. "Our league form was mixed. But what you can take is that Darran O'Sullivan played well and got a penalty against us so he is very dangerous and obviously we need to watch him . . . It was a game we should have won. But Kerry showed again that when they get an opportunity . . ."
Those are qualities that will always stand to Kerry. But this year, they face a Mayo team with new tricks of their own.
© 2011 The Irish Times
Quote from: Canalman on August 16, 2011, 10:28:00 AM
Am convinced that Mayo will win this one. Jist have this hunch gnawing away in my head that despite Kerry having the best players in the land that (like Tyrone), they haven't learnt the lessons of 2010.
As for their "injuries", please lads don't even bother commenting on them, pure yerraism, they will all be like spring lambs next Sunday.
I am going to call it for Mayo.
Me too. They appear to be serious workers and very organised, no rábáil football .
If I was James Horan I would read this article to the players before every training session
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0622/1224299383646.html
GAA : No Connacht county will win the All-Ireland title this year and, in fact, they don't look anyway close to winning one. That's what makes their provincial championship so valuable, writes Dara o Se.
They're (Mayo) football-mad and you always got the feeling that if they could harness it, you'd be in trouble.What a patronising twat.
Will Mayo bring a big crowd for this?
What's the vibe around the place?
Quote from: Jinxy on August 16, 2011, 12:13:49 PM
Will Mayo bring a big crowd for this?
What's the vibe around the place?
I would expect a big Mayo crowd. Wouldnt be surprised to see over the 30,000 mark.
The majority of people are cautiously optimistic or quietly confident.
I have not heard anyone say hands down that Mayo will beat Kerry, but at the same time there is hope we can.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 16, 2011, 12:13:49 PM
Will Mayo bring a big crowd for this?
What's the vibe around the place?
I'd say there'll be a decent crowd from Mayo. Maybe not matching previous years but a lot of supporters would have regretted not going to the Cork game might show up for this one. I'd be expecting a crowd of between 35k and 45k, with 50k the absolute max.
Quote from: Canalman on August 16, 2011, 10:28:00 AM
Am convinced that Mayo will win this one. Jist have this hunch gnawing away in my head that despite Kerry having the best players in the land that (like Tyrone), they haven't learnt the lessons of 2010.
As for their "injuries", please lads don't even bother commenting on them, pure yerraism, they will all be like spring lambs next Sunday.
I am going to call it for Mayo.
You were also convinced that Waterford would beat Kilkenny :D
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 16, 2011, 12:24:31 PM
Quote from: Canalman on August 16, 2011, 10:28:00 AM
Am convinced that Mayo will win this one. Jist have this hunch gnawing away in my head that despite Kerry having the best players in the land that (like Tyrone), they haven't learnt the lessons of 2010.
As for their "injuries", please lads don't even bother commenting on them, pure yerraism, they will all be like spring lambs next Sunday.
I am going to call it for Mayo.
You were also convinced that Waterford would beat Kilkenny :D
Indeed I was AZ. Got that one wrong, very wrong.
I'm only slagging. I get a fair few badly wrong myself :D
Quote from: AbbeySider on August 16, 2011, 12:20:49 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 16, 2011, 12:13:49 PM
Will Mayo bring a big crowd for this?
What's the vibe around the place?
I would expect a big Mayo crowd. Wouldnt be surprised to see over the 30,000 mark.
The majority of people are cautiously optimistic or quietly confident.
I have not heard anyone say hands down that Mayo will beat Kerry, but at the same time there is hope we can.
And the rest? :)
Quote from: Jinxy on August 16, 2011, 12:35:58 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on August 16, 2011, 12:20:49 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 16, 2011, 12:13:49 PM
Will Mayo bring a big crowd for this?
What's the vibe around the place?
I would expect a big Mayo crowd. Wouldnt be surprised to see over the 30,000 mark.
The majority of people are cautiously optimistic or quietly confident.
I have not heard anyone say hands down that Mayo will beat Kerry, but at the same time there is hope we can.
And the rest? :)
Morbidly depressed at the prospect of another merciless pummeling a la '04/'06 ;)
Seriously - was down in Mayo at the weekend and I heard very little about the game. And what I did hear was more realistic than optimistic. The people I spoke to are not expecting a win : they just want the team to stand up and compete as hard as they can for as long as they can (nobody wants another lie-down-and-die "performance" like we had in those two finals).
And if Mayo can do that on Sunday, and if Horan can ingrain that culture into Mayo football teams, then as a football county we really will be going places.
I think Sunday will be a hurdle too high - this is a Kerry team that reached 6 successive AI finals before last year - but let's see how close a hard-hitting, hard-working Mayo can run them. I'll be there to shout them on anyway - here's hoping we get several rubs of the green!
That's exactly the sentiment HowAreYegattinon. The same ones I have anyway. It's going to be a battle from first whistle till last, but by God Horan has some battling qualities engrained in the team. The one Kerry player I would be more worried about more than any of the rest of them is Declan O'Sullivan. Everything goes through him. What we need is someone to frustrate this fella, but as he is in the backs running forward when Kerry have the ball and the forwards running back when they don't it will be interesting to see who will pick him up, or if anyone might give him a clatter on one of his runs! Kerry's midfield still haven't been properly tested I think, but by God this Sunday they will. (Or at least I hope they will!) I for one am not thinking Mayo are going to win handily obviously, but Kerry IF they are to win it will be put to the pin of their collars ala Tipp the last day.
There'll be a small Mayo crowd as part of the no hype campaign. It's all part of a carefully worked out strategy within the county to not run away with ourselves.
Come on Mayo - tear the holes off them! Gwwwwwwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnn!
Quote from: seafoid on August 16, 2011, 11:52:25 AM
Quote from: Canalman on August 16, 2011, 10:28:00 AM
Am convinced that Mayo will win this one. Jist have this hunch gnawing away in my head that despite Kerry having the best players in the land that (like Tyrone), they haven't learnt the lessons of 2010.
As for their "injuries", please lads don't even bother commenting on them, pure yerraism, they will all be like spring lambs next Sunday.
I am going to call it for Mayo.
Me too. They appear to be serious workers and very organised, no rábáil football .
If I was James Horan I would read this article to the players before every training session
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0622/1224299383646.html
GAA : No Connacht county will win the All-Ireland title this year and, in fact, they don't look anyway close to winning one. That's what makes their provincial championship so valuable, writes Dara o Se.
They're (Mayo) football-mad and you always got the feeling that if they could harness it, you'd be in trouble.
What a patronising t**t.
Have to disagree with ye lads, think the Kingdom are on a mission this year to get back to the AI final after not making it last year and they will edge it. They have one of the best managers in the country who has defeated Mayo in three big championship games before.
That said Mayo have an excellent manager in Horan and I don't see more than 3 points in the difference. Trevor Mortimer being fit though is crucial. He did an excellent job on the Cork playmaker, Paddy Kelly, and is best placed to mark the Kerry playmaker, Declan O'Sullivan. I do expect Mayo to make hay down the middle though where Kerry are weak. If Tommy Griffin is fit I'd put him straight back in full back and move Marc O Sé out to center back. Hard to believe Marc is 31 with the way he is moving this summer.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 16, 2011, 12:13:49 PM
Will Mayo bring a big crowd for this?
What's the vibe around the place?
I was in a gang of 7 the last day and I have a few more recruited and I haven't finished yet!
There is more hope than expectation around the place.
PRIDE and BELIEF has been restored in Mayo!
These lads are going to give this game one hell of a lash!
So lets C'MON TO HELL and get behind our lads after what they done the last day for us!
Quote from: seafoid on August 16, 2011, 11:52:25 AM
Quote from: Canalman on August 16, 2011, 10:28:00 AM
Am convinced that Mayo will win this one. Jist have this hunch gnawing away in my head that despite Kerry having the best players in the land that (like Tyrone), they haven't learnt the lessons of 2010.
As for their "injuries", please lads don't even bother commenting on them, pure yerraism, they will all be like spring lambs next Sunday.
I am going to call it for Mayo.
Me too. They appear to be serious workers and very organised, no rábáil football .
If I was James Horan I would read this article to the players before every training session
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0622/1224299383646.html
GAA : No Connacht county will win the All-Ireland title this year and, in fact, they don't look anyway close to winning one. That's what makes their provincial championship so valuable, writes Dara o Se.
They're (Mayo) football-mad and you always got the feeling that if they could harness it, you'd be in trouble.
What a patronising t**t.
You've never wasted an oppurtunity to have a pop at the Mayo lads, especially about 04/06..now you are their biggest fan so who are you to be calling anyone patronizing ::)
two faced gobshite.
I said last year that Kerry would not win the all Ireland, & I say the same this year.
why? because they have not replaced their 3 top players who were,
DARA O'SHEA, TIM KENNELLY & TOMMY WALSH, from the winning team of 2009
So its, MAYO, DONEGAL, or DUBLIN to be champions for 2011
Quote from: goal 10 on August 16, 2011, 07:40:48 PM
I said last year that Kerry would not win the all Ireland, & I say the same this year.
why? because they have not replaced their 3 top players who were,
DARA O'SHEA, TIM KENNELLY & TOMMY WALSH, from the winning team of 2009
So its, MAYO, DONEGAL, or DUBLIN to be champions for 2011
agreed. We are considerably weaker than we were. Its a bit silly the way teams try to build us up just so that they can try and psyche themselves up. The standard is as even as its ever been and all teams left in it are capable of winning it.
Quote from: goal 10 on August 16, 2011, 07:40:48 PM
I said last year that Kerry would not win the all Ireland, & I say the same this year.
why? because they have not replaced their 3 top players who were,
DARA O'SHEA, TIM KENNELLY & TOMMY WALSH, from the winning team of 2009
So its, MAYO, DONEGAL, or DUBLIN to be champions for 2011
I would fully agree with you about Darragh ó Se but I would qualify the long term impact of the other two. Tommy Walsh was shaping up to be a major prospect for Kerry. I don't think he was there yet an we're not in so much trouble in the forwards. Young Horse played a one season cameo, albeit a striking one (ask Nick Murphy). Would I like to have the two of them around - damn right but I'd prefer a 25 year old clone of the man from the Gaeltacht.
Quote from: Canalman on August 16, 2011, 10:28:00 AM
Am convinced that Mayo will win this one. I am going to call it for Mayo.
Well the Mayo lads will be praying your football predictions are better than your hurling ones.
QuoteAm absolutely convinced that Waterford will beat KK next Sunday
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 16, 2011, 08:21:03 PM
Quote from: Canalman on August 16, 2011, 10:28:00 AM
Am convinced that Mayo will win this one. I am going to call it for Mayo.
Well the Mayo lads will be praying your football predictions are better than your hurling ones.
QuoteAm absolutely convinced that Waterford will beat KK next Sunday
Yeah, have been already reminded of this already.
In my defence, I did predict that Tipp would easily win the AIF last year when the vast majority went for Kilkenny. For the record I also think that Tipp will hammer Kilkenny again in this year's final.
Just have this hunch that this Kerry team is tottering a bit..................... despite the personnel on it. Having said that they will probably go on to waltz to another All Ireland.
I think the Kerry backs are to old for our young speedy forwards. If we are winning midfield and the O'Shea's are laying off the ball straight away to our forwards they have the potential to destroy them. Our forwards are very young and this is a great experience for them and it will stand to them in the future. I can see big proformances in the likes of Freeman and Dorhetry (if starting) on Sunday. The lads are where every team want to be at this time of the year- up in Croke Park, playing the big teams at the business end of the championship.
Will the Mayo team announced tommorow?
Whats the story with Galvin? Or is that just Kerry up to their usual tricks! :P
Roll on Sunday! Can't to see Aidan O'Shea put a few Kerry lads on their arsers!!
C'MON THE GREEN AND RED!!!!!!
Lads, in all fairness please don't post any further on Kerry's "injury doubts". They will all be there on Sunday as agile as court jesters.
Quote from: Canalman on August 16, 2011, 09:37:16 PM
Lads, in all fairness please don't post any further on Kerry's "injury doubts". They will all be there on Sunday as agile as court jesters.
Haha, I won't belive the gospel out of their mouths! I think its funny really that they might think we would belive them for a second but sure let them ramble away, our lads will keep their heads down and just look after themselves!
C'MON THE GREEN AND RED!!!!
Quote from: Frank Casey on August 16, 2011, 07:49:10 PM
Quote from: goal 10 on August 16, 2011, 07:40:48 PM
I said last year that Kerry would not win the all Ireland, & I say the same this year.
why? because they have not replaced their 3 top players who were,
DARA O'SHEA, TIM KENNELLY & TOMMY WALSH, from the winning team of 2009
So its, MAYO, DONEGAL, or DUBLIN to be champions for 2011
I would fully agree with you about Darragh ó Se but I would qualify the long term impact of the other two. Tommy Walsh was shaping up to be a major prospect for Kerry. I don't think he was there yet an we're not in so much trouble in the forwards. Young Horse played a one season cameo, albeit a striking one (ask Nick Murphy). Would I like to have the two of them around - damn right but I'd prefer a 25 year old clone of the man from the Gaeltacht.
Any sign of him coming back?
Things don't seem to be going great for him in Oz and if himself and David Moran were available ye would have some midfield.
James Horan to mail Kerry their birth certs. Then they realise last year was the start of a trend not a blip. Mayo to do their best to lose anyway.
Mayo 0.8 (87 wides)
Kerry 2.1 (3 attempts)
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on August 16, 2011, 02:26:34 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 16, 2011, 11:52:25 AM
Quote from: Canalman on August 16, 2011, 10:28:00 AM
Am convinced that Mayo will win this one. Jist have this hunch gnawing away in my head that despite Kerry having the best players in the land that (like Tyrone), they haven't learnt the lessons of 2010.
As for their "injuries", please lads don't even bother commenting on them, pure yerraism, they will all be like spring lambs next Sunday.
I am going to call it for Mayo.
Me too. They appear to be serious workers and very organised, no rábáil football .
If I was James Horan I would read this article to the players before every training session
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0622/1224299383646.html
GAA : No Connacht county will win the All-Ireland title this year and, in fact, they don't look anyway close to winning one. That's what makes their provincial championship so valuable, writes Dara o Se.
They're (Mayo) football-mad and you always got the feeling that if they could harness it, you'd be in trouble.
What a patronising t**t.
Have to disagree with ye lads, think the Kingdom are on a mission this year to get back to the AI final after not making it last year and they will edge it. They have one of the best managers in the country who has defeated Mayo in three big championship games before.
That said Mayo have an excellent manager in Horan and I don't see more than 3 points in the difference. Trevor Mortimer being fit though is crucial. He did an excellent job on the Cork playmaker, Paddy Kelly, and is best placed to mark the Kerry playmaker, Declan O'Sullivan. I do expect Mayo to make hay down the middle though where Kerry are weak. If Tommy Griffin is fit I'd put him straight back in full back and move Marc O Sé out to center back. Hard to believe Marc is 31 with the way he is moving this summer.
Y'know I don t think JOC will be putting too much value on those past wins. If this Mayo team is different then the difference is management. Mayo has always taken a simple approach to football( sometimes you d be forgivin for thinking a simpleton's approach). Even with a practical man like Liam O Neill the team had a flambouyant heart. It was the way the people and the board preferred, even it guaranteed lack of success. O Connor knew he had little to worry about with Sir John. John did a lot right but selection and tactics were his achilles heel and everybody knew it by 04/05. He often left his best players off in the later stages of the championship and in the case of Kevin O Neill, just didn t pick them at all, because he didn t think they were good enough. For all his good things, simple judgement betrayed him. In his column a few weels ago he was still making the case that Trevor was a better forward and Kevin McL a natural back. I guess you see things or you dont. ( Mairtín McHugh has been talking the same shite all Summer. I d forgive him cause he s only winging it about us but he needs to get a new mole in Mayo).
By the 06 final M&M hadn t a hope. I would not be hard on them. The board had abandoned them months earlier and in the 'March to the Hill' the players moved on as well. Management did not set up the team at all for the 06 final. Pity M&M have not talked about it but it looked like the senior players decided how to play it with disasterous consequences.
So management have to make a difference this time. Mayo did not lie down in 04/06. That was just lazy shite from people that are too lazy to inquire or ask the right questions. We re talking about defenders like Heaney, Nallen and Ruane that you would send out to play for you re life. I m sure most Mayo people would prefer them to Caff, Vaughan and say Cunniffe. But we still have to face the 3 amigos that killed us in minutes in 06. Donaghy, Gooch and Declan O Sull. So how can we do any better than the boys of 06?
But it is unlikely that our defenders will be hung out to dry this time. We lost mid field early in 06 and had no plan to get men behind the ball. Even after a good start in 04 we left our defenders scrambling one on one. Much like Tyrone were left against the Dublin backs the last day. You can t defend quality players like that and I doubt we ll try the next day. The Mayo teams of 04 and 06 were mature with a lot of quality but for the most part badly let down preparation wise. As well as the lads mentioned we had likes of McDanger who would be some player to have now in a team with the current attitude. The difference this year is management. That does not mean we are going to beat Kerry but I expect to make it tougher for them. They ll go for the early kill again but we have to park the f**king bus in front of the posts - even if we are winning midfield. We ll be criticised for it but it s better than being laughed about for playing nice open stuff and losing and making likes of Gooch and Declan O Sull look better than they are. And they are great. I expect us to make them earn their win the hard way and very late, if they re going to win. They should be made scratch and claw for everything. If Donaghy and Gooch are moaning and bitching with 5 to go we won t be too far away.
I was just reading in another thread about the "well-organised" Mayo defence - we didn't look too well organised when we were 1-4 to 0-1 down after 15 minutes against Cork.
I'm not trying to be negative but if we do that against Kerry, it will be nigh on impossible to come back from it.
Any rumours on the team??
Closer it gets to the weekend the more I think one of the semi finals will not go to script.
If Mayo hunt and tackle with the ferocity they did against Cork and stay in the game until around 50 minutes they have a chance. Kerry can be ran at in defence and Doherty if starting is due a goal.
The problem for the Mayo defence is that they were able to thwart Cork as their game plan involved breaking tackles and offloading to runners coming onto the ball, Kerrys forwards are cute and inventive enough to create their own opportunites.
Colm Cooper is due a big performance. If Mayo can keep him reasonably quiet they have a fighting chance on Sunday.
Would agree that Mayo cannot afford a bad start against Kerry though.
Whats the latest on Galvin's injury BTW broken strap on his manbag was it?
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 17, 2011, 12:02:45 AM
I was just reading in another thread about the "well-organised" Mayo defence - we didn't look too well organised when we were 1-4 to 0-1 down after 15 minutes against Cork.
I'm not trying to be negative but if we do that against Kerry, it will be nigh on impossible to come back from it.
Any rumours on the team??
Exactly. ' well organised' just doesn t mean anything. It s just noise. As you correctly say we did not look so secure in first 15 minutes. But I would be hopefull that management have learned their lesson - in fairness they have shown good cop on all year. Likes of Horan and Nallen must know that the same early innocence - no extra men behind ball/ being turned over carrying ball, and hit on the counter - will be a disaster. I think we will be set up better from start the next day. We have to be.
' well organised' :D
It was a prediction not a statement of fact, bloody hell you Mayo people are odd-balls..
Looks like the team was announced tonight, should be available tomorrow......Sounds like Varley and Caff are the ones most at risk of losing out (excluding injuries)
From the Mayo News: http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=13479:mayo-team-to-be-selected-on-tuesday&catid=14&Itemid=100008 (http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=13479:mayo-team-to-be-selected-on-tuesday&catid=14&Itemid=100008)
QuoteINJURED Mayo duo Trevor Mortimer and Peadar Gardiner will both undergo fitness tests tonight (Tuesday) in an effort to prove that they are ready to play some part in next Sunday's All-Ireland semi-final against Kerry.
The pair have been receiving daily treatment for the last week on their respective quad muscle and hamstring injuries, but James Horan admitted last night that the chances of them recovering in time for Sunday are 'tight'.
"If they train on Tuesday then that's a good sign for the weekend," the Mayo manager told The Mayo News. Westport's Lee Keegan is believed to be on standby if Mortimer fails to recover in time
Mayo are selecting their team after training tomorrow night, and it is expected to be released to the general public on Wednesday.
The Mayo News understands that Jason Doherty is pushing hard for inclusion at the expense of Enda Varley while Alan Feeney, who picked up a knock to his ankle over the weekend, may also come into the reckoning for a place in the defence.
David Clarke, who damaged knee ligaments nine days ago in a club game and is due to undergo a scan on the injury this week, is almost certainly out of contention for a place on the bench. Kenneth O'Malley, who trained with Mayo last weekend, is expected to be the new reserve goalkeeper.
Meanwhile, competition for places among the match-day replacements has also intensified with Trevor Howley, Neil Douglas and Jason Gibbons all in the frame for a spot among the eleven substitutes.
The Mayo squad trained last Friday in Castlebar before convening in Westport on Saturday evening for a team meeting. They also played out a very competitive 'A' v 'B' game on Sunday morning.
"Sometimes Mayo teams have a tendency to look at the strength of the opposition but we've been looking at our areas of strength," said James Horan
"Against Cork, I think we only played well for 50 minutes really so we need to push that out for 70 minutes. If we do, and play with the intensity that we did, plus a bit more, we'll be very competitive."
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 17, 2011, 12:36:24 AM
' well organised' :D
It was a prediction not a statement of fact, bloody hell you Mayo people are odd-balls..
Of course we ll be organised, but it doesn t mean it ll be good enough. And as the Danger pointed out, we took a while to face the music v Cork. We cant afford to have fluffer time the next day.
Not only is that a prediction it is also a statement of fact. Unless it is maybe only a prediction and a statement of fact if we win but only a prediction if we lose.
I dont put much store on the notion of 'well organised'. It s a basic concept. It s a bit like making sure you re kids and pets have enough to eat. Most teams at any level are well organised now. We have had four years of one of the best organised managements you could hope for. And boy were they organised. Great organisation but nobody seemed to have factored playing football in. The result was like the mass beachings of dolphins or whales. Deliberate and well-organised? Yes. But disasterous for the poor team/pod that followed the leader.
IMO Mayo should keep the same back line, yes they had a few shaky moments at the start v Cork but they were solid there after. Talk of Alan Feeney coming into the FB line hmm i'm not so sure, Doherty will probably get his starting place back again.
18/1 for Kevin McLoughlin to score a goal & Mayo to win if you fancy history to repeat itself.
I see Noel Connelly is making a case for Donal Vaughan to mark Donaghy which may not be a bad idea as he has some experience of playing in the full back line and when Donaghy switches with Dec oSullivan Vaughan will be able to follow him out the field.For this reason I cannot see Feeny displacing Caff as he is an out and out fullback and the matchup with Dec o Sullivan could be a nightmare for mayo.I agree with moysider about the lazy analysis of 04 and 06.You would think that 15 Mayo players just decided not to bother trying in the biggest game of the year.
Quote from: moysider on August 16, 2011, 11:19:53 PM
Y'know I don t think JOC will be putting too much value on those past wins. If this Mayo team is different then the difference is management. Mayo has always taken a simple approach to football( sometimes you d be forgivin for thinking a simpleton's approach). Even with a practical man like Liam O Neill the team had a flambouyant heart. It was the way the people and the board preferred, even it guaranteed lack of success. O Connor knew he had little to worry about with Sir John. John did a lot right but selection and tactics were his achilles heel and everybody knew it by 04/05. He often left his best players off in the later stages of the championship and in the case of Kevin O Neill, just didn t pick them at all, because he didn t think they were good enough. For all his good things, simple judgement betrayed him. In his column a few weels ago he was still making the case that Trevor was a better forward and Kevin McL a natural back. I guess you see things or you dont. ( Mairtín McHugh has been talking the same shite all Summer. I d forgive him cause he s only winging it about us but he needs to get a new mole in Mayo).
By the 06 final M&M hadn t a hope. I would not be hard on them. The board had abandoned them months earlier and in the 'March to the Hill' the players moved on as well. Management did not set up the team at all for the 06 final. Pity M&M have not talked about it but it looked like the senior players decided how to play it with disasterous consequences.
So management have to make a difference this time. Mayo did not lie down in 04/06. That was just lazy shite from people that are too lazy to inquire or ask the right questions. We re talking about defenders like Heaney, Nallen and Ruane that you would send out to play for you re life. I m sure most Mayo people would prefer them to Caff, Vaughan and say Cunniffe. But we still have to face the 3 amigos that killed us in minutes in 06. Donaghy, Gooch and Declan O Sull. So how can we do any better than the boys of 06?
But it is unlikely that our defenders will be hung out to dry this time. We lost mid field early in 06 and had no plan to get men behind the ball. Even after a good start in 04 we left our defenders scrambling one on one. Much like Tyrone were left against the Dublin backs the last day. You can t defend quality players like that and I doubt we ll try the next day. The Mayo teams of 04 and 06 were mature with a lot of quality but for the most part badly let down preparation wise. As well as the lads mentioned we had likes of McDanger who would be some player to have now in a team with the current attitude. The difference this year is management. That does not mean we are going to beat Kerry but I expect to make it tougher for them. They ll go for the early kill again but we have to park the f**king bus in front of the posts - even if we are winning midfield. We ll be criticised for it but it s better than being laughed about for playing nice open stuff and losing and making likes of Gooch and Declan O Sull look better than they are. And they are great. I expect us to make them earn their win the hard way and very late, if they re going to win. They should be made scratch and claw for everything. If Donaghy and Gooch are moaning and bitching with 5 to go we won t be too far away.
+1
Good post Moy
I dont want to hear anymore references to the 04/06 team 'giving up' or 'lying down' in Croker or any bullshit like that. It is deeply disrespectful to those lads who did their level best but were simply not good enough for one of the best teams ever to play in Croke Park. Enough!
Kerry team to be announced tonight at nine. Tune in to www.yerra.ie.
Quote from: moysider on August 17, 2011, 01:33:34 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 17, 2011, 12:36:24 AM
' well organised' :D
It was a prediction not a statement of fact, bloody hell you Mayo people are odd-balls..
Of course we ll be organised, but it doesn t mean it ll be good enough. And as the Danger pointed out, we took a while to face the music v Cork. We cant afford to have fluffer time the next day.
Not only is that a prediction it is also a statement of fact. Unless it is maybe only a prediction and a statement of fact if we win but only a prediction if we lose.
I dont put much store on the notion of 'well organised'. It s a basic concept. It s a bit like making sure you re kids and pets have enough to eat. Most teams at any level are well organised now. We have had four years of one of the best organised managements you could hope for. And boy were they organised. Great organisation but nobody seemed to have factored playing football in. The result was like the mass beachings of dolphins or whales. Deliberate and well-organised? Yes. But disasterous for the poor team/pod that followed the leader.
The context I was using well organised was in a prediction, looking into the future and giving reasons why Mayo won. Well oragnised in a defensive sense to me is that each and ever player knows their teams's defensive system, but the key is that they know their role and their responsibility in that system. Against Cork despite the early blitz the Mayo players remained committed to their system and their roles within it, that to me is a good sign and if Mayo beat Kerry a well-organised committed defensive effort will be a key component.
Quote from: moysider on August 16, 2011, 11:19:53 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on August 16, 2011, 02:26:34 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 16, 2011, 11:52:25 AM
Quote from: Canalman on August 16, 2011, 10:28:00 AM
Am convinced that Mayo will win this one. Jist have this hunch gnawing away in my head that despite Kerry having the best players in the land that (like Tyrone), they haven't learnt the lessons of 2010.
As for their "injuries", please lads don't even bother commenting on them, pure yerraism, they will all be like spring lambs next Sunday.
I am going to call it for Mayo.
Me too. They appear to be serious workers and very organised, no rábáil football .
If I was James Horan I would read this article to the players before every training session
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0622/1224299383646.html
GAA : No Connacht county will win the All-Ireland title this year and, in fact, they don't look anyway close to winning one. That's what makes their provincial championship so valuable, writes Dara o Se.
They're (Mayo) football-mad and you always got the feeling that if they could harness it, you'd be in trouble.
What a patronising t**t.
Have to disagree with ye lads, think the Kingdom are on a mission this year to get back to the AI final after not making it last year and they will edge it. They have one of the best managers in the country who has defeated Mayo in three big championship games before.
That said Mayo have an excellent manager in Horan and I don't see more than 3 points in the difference. Trevor Mortimer being fit though is crucial. He did an excellent job on the Cork playmaker, Paddy Kelly, and is best placed to mark the Kerry playmaker, Declan O'Sullivan. I do expect Mayo to make hay down the middle though where Kerry are weak. If Tommy Griffin is fit I'd put him straight back in full back and move Marc O Sé out to center back. Hard to believe Marc is 31 with the way he is moving this summer.
Y'know I don t think JOC will be putting too much value on those past wins. If this Mayo team is different then the difference is management. Mayo has always taken a simple approach to football( sometimes you d be forgivin for thinking a simpleton's approach). Even with a practical man like Liam O Neill the team had a flambouyant heart. It was the way the people and the board preferred, even it guaranteed lack of success. O Connor knew he had little to worry about with Sir John. John did a lot right but selection and tactics were his achilles heel and everybody knew it by 04/05. He often left his best players off in the later stages of the championship and in the case of Kevin O Neill, just didn t pick them at all, because he didn t think they were good enough. For all his good things, simple judgement betrayed him. In his column a few weels ago he was still making the case that Trevor was a better forward and Kevin McL a natural back. I guess you see things or you dont. ( Mairtín McHugh has been talking the same shite all Summer. I d forgive him cause he s only winging it about us but he needs to get a new mole in Mayo).
By the 06 final M&M hadn t a hope. I would not be hard on them. The board had abandoned them months earlier and in the 'March to the Hill' the players moved on as well. Management did not set up the team at all for the 06 final. Pity M&M have not talked about it but it looked like the senior players decided how to play it with disasterous consequences.
So management have to make a difference this time. Mayo did not lie down in 04/06. That was just lazy shite from people that are too lazy to inquire or ask the right questions. We re talking about defenders like Heaney, Nallen and Ruane that you would send out to play for you re life. I m sure most Mayo people would prefer them to Caff, Vaughan and say Cunniffe. But we still have to face the 3 amigos that killed us in minutes in 06. Donaghy, Gooch and Declan O Sull. So how can we do any better than the boys of 06?
But it is unlikely that our defenders will be hung out to dry this time. We lost mid field early in 06 and had no plan to get men behind the ball. Even after a good start in 04 we left our defenders scrambling one on one. Much like Tyrone were left against the Dublin backs the last day. You can t defend quality players like that and I doubt we ll try the next day. The Mayo teams of 04 and 06 were mature with a lot of quality but for the most part badly let down preparation wise. As well as the lads mentioned we had likes of McDanger who would be some player to have now in a team with the current attitude. The difference this year is management. That does not mean we are going to beat Kerry but I expect to make it tougher for them. They ll go for the early kill again but we have to park the f**king bus in front of the posts - even if we are winning midfield. We ll be criticised for it but it s better than being laughed about for playing nice open stuff and losing and making likes of Gooch and Declan O Sull look better than they are. And they are great. I expect us to make them earn their win the hard way and very late, if they re going to win. They should be made scratch and claw for everything. If Donaghy and Gooch are moaning and bitching with 5 to go we won t be too far away.
Neither do I. Just pointing out he has comfortably worked out how to play Mayo before and he will look to do so again. I would agree with the rest of your post as well, good analysis.
Quote from: moysider on August 16, 2011, 11:19:53 PM
Y'know I don t think JOC will be putting too much value on those past wins. If this Mayo team is different then the difference is management. Mayo has always taken a simple approach to football( sometimes you d be forgivin for thinking a simpleton's approach). Even with a practical man like Liam O Neill the team had a flambouyant heart. It was the way the people and the board preferred, even it guaranteed lack of success. O Connor knew he had little to worry about with Sir John. John did a lot right but selection and tactics were his achilles heel and everybody knew it by 04/05. He often left his best players off in the later stages of the championship and in the case of Kevin O Neill, just didn t pick them at all, because he didn t think they were good enough. For all his good things, simple judgement betrayed him. In his column a few weels ago he was still making the case that Trevor was a better forward and Kevin McL a natural back. I guess you see things or you dont. ( Mairtín McHugh has been talking the same shite all Summer. I d forgive him cause he s only winging it about us but he needs to get a new mole in Mayo).
By the 06 final M&M hadn t a hope. I would not be hard on them. The board had abandoned them months earlier and in the 'March to the Hill' the players moved on as well. Management did not set up the team at all for the 06 final. Pity M&M have not talked about it but it looked like the senior players decided how to play it with disasterous consequences.
So management have to make a difference this time. Mayo did not lie down in 04/06. That was just lazy shite from people that are too lazy to inquire or ask the right questions. We re talking about defenders like Heaney, Nallen and Ruane that you would send out to play for you re life. I m sure most Mayo people would prefer them to Caff, Vaughan and say Cunniffe. But we still have to face the 3 amigos that killed us in minutes in 06. Donaghy, Gooch and Declan O Sull. So how can we do any better than the boys of 06?
But it is unlikely that our defenders will be hung out to dry this time. We lost mid field early in 06 and had no plan to get men behind the ball. Even after a good start in 04 we left our defenders scrambling one on one. Much like Tyrone were left against the Dublin backs the last day. You can t defend quality players like that and I doubt we ll try the next day. The Mayo teams of 04 and 06 were mature with a lot of quality but for the most part badly let down preparation wise. As well as the lads mentioned we had likes of McDanger who would be some player to have now in a team with the current attitude. The difference this year is management. That does not mean we are going to beat Kerry but I expect to make it tougher for them. They ll go for the early kill again but we have to park the f**king bus in front of the posts - even if we are winning midfield. We ll be criticised for it but it s better than being laughed about for playing nice open stuff and losing and making likes of Gooch and Declan O Sull look better than they are. And they are great. I expect us to make them earn their win the hard way and very late, if they re going to win. They should be made scratch and claw for everything. If Donaghy and Gooch are moaning and bitching with 5 to go we won t be too far away.
Good post moy.
You are dead right about the importance of good management. I have long been a disciple of Saint James; there's lots of things I might not be confident about come Sunday but I'm certain that poor management will not cause us problems.
Like I said before, the tactical battle on the sideline could well be the decisive factor; Jack is a master of his art but James hasn't put a foot wrong yet.
Sir John was a superb organiser by all accounts; he hadn't a friggin' clue about man management. M&M brought a lot of good things to Mayo football but they left their team behind in the process. As the '06 campaign went on, it became increasingly obvious that the senior players were ignoring the duo on the sideline. The kickabout in front of the Hill before the semi was clear evidence of that.
As for the last incumbent of the managerial office, the less said the better. No doubt he meant well and paid attention to every detail—except what was going on in his players' heads. He had more geeks and tweaks than you could shake a stick at but a laptop never pointed a fifty yet.
Right now, there's nowhere to hide and no reason for doing so either.
It will be fifteen against fifteen on the field and one against one on the sideline.
I'm happy with that; let's see what happens.
Quote from: maigheo on August 17, 2011, 02:07:37 AM
I see Noel Connelly is making a case for Donal Vaughan to mark Donaghy which may not be a bad idea as he has some experience of playing in the full back line and when Donaghy switches with Dec oSullivan Vaughan will be able to follow him out the field.For this reason I cannot see Feeny displacing Caff as he is an out and out fullback and the matchup with Dec o Sullivan could be a nightmare for mayo.I agree with moysider about the lazy analysis of 04 and 06.You would think that 15 Mayo players just decided not to bother trying in the biggest game of the year.
It would be a very bad idea.
Let him pick Donaghy up if he comes out the field but keep him away from full back.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 17, 2011, 03:02:07 PM
Quote from: maigheo on August 17, 2011, 02:07:37 AM
I see Noel Connelly is making a case for Donal Vaughan to mark Donaghy which may not be a bad idea as he has some experience of playing in the full back line and when Donaghy switches with Dec oSullivan Vaughan will be able to follow him out the field.For this reason I cannot see Feeny displacing Caff as he is an out and out fullback and the matchup with Dec o Sullivan could be a nightmare for mayo.I agree with moysider about the lazy analysis of 04 and 06.You would think that 15 Mayo players just decided not to bother trying in the biggest game of the year.
It would be a very bad idea.
Let him pick Donaghy up if he comes out the field but keep him away from full back.
J
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How come you don't have a slot on the Sunday Game?
Do you have any smart casual outfits`?
Mayo team same as started against Cork
Quote from: sans pessimism on August 17, 2011, 07:03:41 PM
Mayo team same as started against Cork
Where did you see/hear this?
hoganstand tom osullivan
http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=153535
"Mayo play at a fierce high intensity and that's what we have been trying to replicate over the last couple of weeks in training so we can keep up the intensity and play at their level. If we can't match their level on Sunday, then they are going to beat us.
"Against Cork, there were three or four Mayo lads around the one Cork fella. It looked like they had five extra players. I don't know where they were all coming from.
::)
Apparently Galvin is on the bench with O'Leary starting but will swap with Darran.
Only change I heard of.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 17, 2011, 08:34:41 PM
hoganstand tom osullivan
http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=153535
"Mayo play at a fierce high intensity and that's what we have been trying to replicate over the last couple of weeks in training so we can keep up the intensity and play at their level. If we can't match their level on Sunday, then they are going to beat us.
"Against Cork, there were three or four Mayo lads around the one Cork fella. It looked like they had five extra players. I don't know where they were all coming from.
::)
:D
Kerry lads trying to talk us up!
The bet Ill be having the weekend will be good oul moran to run the legs of a snarling garda o mahony...........................mahaony to see red this weekend is my punt .......waiting on the odds ;)
Hope our young forwards will tell the Kerry backs ''it's no country for old men''( Darragh O'Se quote).
C'MON THE GREEN AND RED!!!!!
The Kerry Team to play Mayo in the All-Ireland Semi-Final on Sunday August 21st is as follows -
1. Brendan Kealy Kilcummin
2. Killian Young Renard 3. Marc Ó Sé An Ghaeltacht 4. Tom O'Sullivan Rathmore
5. Tomas Ó Sé An Ghaeltacht 6. Eoin Brosnan Dr Crokes 7. Aidan O'Mahony Rathmore
8. Anthony Maher Duagh 9. Bryan Sheehan St Marys
10. Darran O'Sullivan Glenbeigh/Glencar 11. Declan O'Sullivan Dromid Pearses 12. Donnchadh Walsh Cromane
13. Colm Cooper Dr Crokes 14. Kieran Donaghy Austin Stacks 15. Kieran O'Leary Dr Crokes
Subs - Tomas Mac a'tSaoir, An Ghaeltacht; Shane Enright, Tarbert; Paul Galvin, Finuge; Daniel Bohane, Austin Stacks; James O'Donoghue, Legion; Seamus Scanlon, Currow; Barry John Keane, Kerins O'Rahillys; Padraig Reidy, Scartaglin; Tommy Griffin, Dingle; Johnny Buckley, Dr Crokes; Peter Crowley, Laune Rangers; Brian McGuire, Listowel Emmets; Daithí Geaney, Dingle; Niall O'Mahony, Spa; Adrian O'Connell, St Michaels/Foilmore; Daithí Casey, Dr Crokes.
Bainisteóir: Jack O'Connor (Piarsaigh Na Dromada)
Physical Coach: Alan O'Sullivan (Kerins O'Rahillys)
Coach: Donie Buckley (Castleisland Desmonds)
Roghnóirí: Ger O'Keeffe (Austin Stacks) & Diarmuid Murphy (Daingean
Great to see Tommy Griffin back in the Green N Gold (and blue). Has had a tough year with injuries. Happy with that team . Galvin was struggling all week but a great asset to throw on if we need him.
Kinda liked this piece from the Mayo News. John Casey was a top player but crippled by injury and gone by 23 or so. We never saw the best of him. But he was brilliant in 96, up to the final, and I m not convinced full forward was his best position. He was a ball of energy.
Home SPORT Sport Mayo v Kerry: their finest hour?
Mayo v Kerry: their finest hour?
Tuesday, 16 August 2011 06:20
Their finest hour?
Mayo's win over Kerry in 1996 changed everything, says John Casey
Feature
Daniel Carey
WHEN James Horan lobbed Kerry goalkeeper Declan O'Keeffe in the 1996 All-Ireland semi-final, those watching on television missed it – and so did John Casey. Horan's audacious effort – "one of the truly great goals seen at GAA headquarters", according to Pádraig Burns – happened too quickly for the TV cameras to capture properly. Casey's excuse is more mundane.
"I was just roaring at him: 'don't shoot'!" the Charlestown man recalled with a laugh last week. "I could see him looking at O'Keeffe ... and I was saying 'Don't, don't!' I had slipped off my man for a short dinky pass in in front of goal, and next thing I see the ball flying over my head. I don't think I saw it hitting the net either cause I was bawling him out of it!"
Horan's goal killed off Kerry, and set the seal on what Kevin McStay called "one of the best, if not the best" Mayo display "in 20 years". It was the second great Mayo goal of the day, coming in the wake of a James Nallen special in the first half. Goalkeeper John Madden looked at the replay on the big screen and was caught unawares by Seán Burke's long-range effort, but Mayo lived to tell the tale. Maurice Sheridan weighed in with six points, while Kenneth Mortimer didn't give Dara Ó Cinnéide a sniff. Casey had a huge game too, following up his goal against Galway with four points from play against the Kingdom, and was named man of the match in The Mayo News.
"We felt we were as good as anybody," he reflected in conversation last Thursday, 15 years to the day since that win. "Maybe I was young and naïve, but I remember at the time going up with absolutely no fear. There was not even a mention of getting beaten. We were delighted, obviously, after beating Kerry in an All-Ireland semi-final, but it came as no great surprise to us as players."
The victory was Mayo's first in championship against Munster or Leinster opposition since 1951, and came after an "extraordinary" performance. "Nobody was ever going to intimidate us," says Casey. "We had a big, powerful team. At 6'1", I would have been one of the smaller individuals on it. And everybody played their heart out."
London scare "a good omen"?
IT was all a long way from the dark days of winter, when Mayo found themselves in Division 3. They scraped past Wexford, Monaghan and Antrim, but kept winning, and reached a National Football League semi-final. John Maughan's creed – "We'll be whipping boys for nobody" – was "instilled in our brains", Casey remembers. Mayo were "damn lucky" to get out of London with a victory, something he told James Horan "could be a good omen" for 2011. Maughan ran them like greyhounds in Westmanstown the morning after that game in Ruislip.
"I remember [Anthony] 'Larry' Finnerty was down on his hands and knees, nearly puking," says Casey, "and Maughan down pinned over him, saying 'Get up Larry. You haven't got the f***in' heart, Larry, have you?' And 'Larry' turned around, out of breath, and said [panting]: 'I have the f***in' heart, John, I just don't have the lungs!' We nearly wet ourselves laughing!"
Having worked miracles with Clare in 1992, Maughan was "the person everyone wanted" for the Mayo job, Casey recalls. "He intimidated fellas into getting better. Was I afraid of him? Yes, I was. If he said 'jump', I used to ask 'how high?' That's the way it was [and] I don't mean that in a bad way. "
Casey had limped on as a sub against Roscommon having ruptured his Achilles "trying to take Maurice Sheridan out" in a club game, he says with characteristic bluntness. He "wasn't right for three or four months after" and actually tried to pack in football, "but the boys told me to 'cop on'."
"Mental" hype, and a virus
JUST 33,165 people paid into Croke Park for that All-Ireland semi-final – Mayo's first appearance at HQ since the 20-point drubbing by Cork in 1993. There were no songs or green and red trees, sheep, cars or road markings yet. Then, all changed, changed utterly. Mayo won and all hell broke loose.
Casey had just had, perhaps, his finest hour in a Mayo jersey. Still a student, he had spent the summer in Mayo GAA summer camps. What was it like for him, a 21-year-old, to suddenly be the focus of media attention and multiple well-wishers?
"Mental," Casey replies. "It probably got to me ... There's no point making excuses 15 years on. I failed to play in an All-Ireland final in '96 ... Did the hype get to me? At the time, I thought 'no', but maybe it did. I got an awful virus too. I lost a stone and a half [in] weight between the semi-final and final and wasn't able to train for three weeks."
Being in the national spotlight was "nearly unbearable", he remembers, referencing one day when "four [people] from RTÉ and three [print] journalists" descended on Charlestown. Living above the family hardware shop, he had a constant stream of people coming in for pictures and looking to have jerseys signed. He was getting cheques in the post, made payable to Mayo GAA, from people who "just wanted to hand money over to the cause". After the final pre-final training session, he eventually "had to go up to Letterkenny" to get away from the "pandemonium".
"A friend of mine came home for the All-Ireland from New York," Casey remembers, "and he said: 'Your jersey went to a good cause'. I said: 'What do you mean by that?' He said: 'Some guy in New York is after buying your jersey from the Kerry match for $2,000 at a charity auction' I said: 'Did he? That's unbelievable! Because that jersey is below in my drawer!'
"No fear" in current crop
WHEN Casey met James Horan at the recent Charlestown-Aghamore match, he told his former team-mate: "I didn't give ye a prayer against Cork". The result left him "in shock" after what the Rebels had done to Down. Now he thinks "the current crop are in a similar position to ourselves".
"Complacency is the root of all evil," he adds. "If it starts in your head, you cannot get rid of it. It takes an overnight job, another training session, to get rid of complacency. Complacency will not go on you in the middle of a game. No matter what Conor Counihan would say to his team at half time, if it's in the belly, it's awful hard to get rid of it. That's what happened to Cork, and Mayo played on it and devoured them, and I was delighted."
Could the same thing happen again next Sunday? Casey thinks Kerry "have been forewarned" now but adds: "Mayo will go in again with no fear ... My heart says one thing, my head says another. But I said that for the Cork game too!"
Quote from: moysider on August 17, 2011, 10:28:14 PM
Kinda liked this piece from the Mayo News. John Casey was a top player but crippled by injury and gone by 23 or so. We never saw the best of him. But he was brilliant in 96, up to the final, and I m not convinced full forward was his best position. He was a ball of energy.
Home SPORT Sport Mayo v Kerry: their finest hour?
Mayo v Kerry: their finest hour?
Tuesday, 16 August 2011 06:20
Their finest hour?
Mayo's win over Kerry in 1996 changed everything, says John Casey
Feature
Daniel Carey
WHEN James Horan lobbed Kerry goalkeeper Declan O'Keeffe in the 1996 All-Ireland semi-final, those watching on television missed it – and so did John Casey. Horan's audacious effort – "one of the truly great goals seen at GAA headquarters", according to Pádraig Burns – happened too quickly for the TV cameras to capture properly. Casey's excuse is more mundane.
"I was just roaring at him: 'don't shoot'!" the Charlestown man recalled with a laugh last week. "I could see him looking at O'Keeffe ... and I was saying 'Don't, don't!' I had slipped off my man for a short dinky pass in in front of goal, and next thing I see the ball flying over my head. I don't think I saw it hitting the net either cause I was bawling him out of it!"
Horan's goal killed off Kerry, and set the seal on what Kevin McStay called "one of the best, if not the best" Mayo display "in 20 years". It was the second great Mayo goal of the day, coming in the wake of a James Nallen special in the first half. Goalkeeper John Madden looked at the replay on the big screen and was caught unawares by Seán Burke's long-range effort, but Mayo lived to tell the tale. Maurice Sheridan weighed in with six points, while Kenneth Mortimer didn't give Dara Ó Cinnéide a sniff. Casey had a huge game too, following up his goal against Galway with four points from play against the Kingdom, and was named man of the match in The Mayo News.
"We felt we were as good as anybody," he reflected in conversation last Thursday, 15 years to the day since that win. "Maybe I was young and naïve, but I remember at the time going up with absolutely no fear. There was not even a mention of getting beaten. We were delighted, obviously, after beating Kerry in an All-Ireland semi-final, but it came as no great surprise to us as players."
The victory was Mayo's first in championship against Munster or Leinster opposition since 1951, and came after an "extraordinary" performance. "Nobody was ever going to intimidate us," says Casey. "We had a big, powerful team. At 6'1", I would have been one of the smaller individuals on it. And everybody played their heart out."
London scare "a good omen"?
IT was all a long way from the dark days of winter, when Mayo found themselves in Division 3. They scraped past Wexford, Monaghan and Antrim, but kept winning, and reached a National Football League semi-final. John Maughan's creed – "We'll be whipping boys for nobody" – was "instilled in our brains", Casey remembers. Mayo were "damn lucky" to get out of London with a victory, something he told James Horan "could be a good omen" for 2011. Maughan ran them like greyhounds in Westmanstown the morning after that game in Ruislip.
"I remember [Anthony] 'Larry' Finnerty was down on his hands and knees, nearly puking," says Casey, "and Maughan down pinned over him, saying 'Get up Larry. You haven't got the f***in' heart, Larry, have you?' And 'Larry' turned around, out of breath, and said [panting]: 'I have the f***in' heart, John, I just don't have the lungs!' We nearly wet ourselves laughing!"
Having worked miracles with Clare in 1992, Maughan was "the person everyone wanted" for the Mayo job, Casey recalls. "He intimidated fellas into getting better. Was I afraid of him? Yes, I was. If he said 'jump', I used to ask 'how high?' That's the way it was [and] I don't mean that in a bad way. "
Casey had limped on as a sub against Roscommon having ruptured his Achilles "trying to take Maurice Sheridan out" in a club game, he says with characteristic bluntness. He "wasn't right for three or four months after" and actually tried to pack in football, "but the boys told me to 'cop on'."
"Mental" hype, and a virus
JUST 33,165 people paid into Croke Park for that All-Ireland semi-final – Mayo's first appearance at HQ since the 20-point drubbing by Cork in 1993. There were no songs or green and red trees, sheep, cars or road markings yet. Then, all changed, changed utterly. Mayo won and all hell broke loose.
Casey had just had, perhaps, his finest hour in a Mayo jersey. Still a student, he had spent the summer in Mayo GAA summer camps. What was it like for him, a 21-year-old, to suddenly be the focus of media attention and multiple well-wishers?
"Mental," Casey replies. "It probably got to me ... There's no point making excuses 15 years on. I failed to play in an All-Ireland final in '96 ... Did the hype get to me? At the time, I thought 'no', but maybe it did. I got an awful virus too. I lost a stone and a half [in] weight between the semi-final and final and wasn't able to train for three weeks."
Being in the national spotlight was "nearly unbearable", he remembers, referencing one day when "four [people] from RTÉ and three [print] journalists" descended on Charlestown. Living above the family hardware shop, he had a constant stream of people coming in for pictures and looking to have jerseys signed. He was getting cheques in the post, made payable to Mayo GAA, from people who "just wanted to hand money over to the cause". After the final pre-final training session, he eventually "had to go up to Letterkenny" to get away from the "pandemonium".
"A friend of mine came home for the All-Ireland from New York," Casey remembers, "and he said: 'Your jersey went to a good cause'. I said: 'What do you mean by that?' He said: 'Some guy in New York is after buying your jersey from the Kerry match for $2,000 at a charity auction' I said: 'Did he? That's unbelievable! Because that jersey is below in my drawer!'
"No fear" in current crop
WHEN Casey met James Horan at the recent Charlestown-Aghamore match, he told his former team-mate: "I didn't give ye a prayer against Cork". The result left him "in shock" after what the Rebels had done to Down. Now he thinks "the current crop are in a similar position to ourselves".
"Complacency is the root of all evil," he adds. "If it starts in your head, you cannot get rid of it. It takes an overnight job, another training session, to get rid of complacency. Complacency will not go on you in the middle of a game. No matter what Conor Counihan would say to his team at half time, if it's in the belly, it's awful hard to get rid of it. That's what happened to Cork, and Mayo played on it and devoured them, and I was delighted."
Could the same thing happen again next Sunday? Casey thinks Kerry "have been forewarned" now but adds: "Mayo will go in again with no fear ... My heart says one thing, my head says another. But I said that for the Cork game too!"
Was laughing my hole off at that earlier. :D
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Quote from: moysider on August 17, 2011, 10:28:14 PM
Kinda liked this piece from the Mayo News. John Casey was a top player but crippled by injury and gone by 23 or so. We never saw the best of him. But he was brilliant in 96, up to the final, and I m not convinced full forward was his best position. He was a ball of energy.
Home SPORT Sport Mayo v Kerry: their finest hour?
Mayo v Kerry: their finest hour?
Tuesday, 16 August 2011 06:20
Their finest hour?
Mayo's win over Kerry in 1996 changed everything, says John Casey
Feature
Daniel Carey
WHEN James Horan lobbed Kerry goalkeeper Declan O'Keeffe in the 1996 All-Ireland semi-final, those watching on television missed it – and so did John Casey. Horan's audacious effort – "one of the truly great goals seen at GAA headquarters", according to Pádraig Burns – happened too quickly for the TV cameras to capture properly. Casey's excuse is more mundane.
"I was just roaring at him: 'don't shoot'!" the Charlestown man recalled with a laugh last week. "I could see him looking at O'Keeffe ... and I was saying 'Don't, don't!' I had slipped off my man for a short dinky pass in in front of goal, and next thing I see the ball flying over my head. I don't think I saw it hitting the net either cause I was bawling him out of it!"
Horan's goal killed off Kerry, and set the seal on what Kevin McStay called "one of the best, if not the best" Mayo display "in 20 years". It was the second great Mayo goal of the day, coming in the wake of a James Nallen special in the first half. Goalkeeper John Madden looked at the replay on the big screen and was caught unawares by Seán Burke's long-range effort, but Mayo lived to tell the tale. Maurice Sheridan weighed in with six points, while Kenneth Mortimer didn't give Dara Ó Cinnéide a sniff. Casey had a huge game too, following up his goal against Galway with four points from play against the Kingdom, and was named man of the match in The Mayo News.
"We felt we were as good as anybody," he reflected in conversation last Thursday, 15 years to the day since that win. "Maybe I was young and naïve, but I remember at the time going up with absolutely no fear. There was not even a mention of getting beaten. We were delighted, obviously, after beating Kerry in an All-Ireland semi-final, but it came as no great surprise to us as players."
The victory was Mayo's first in championship against Munster or Leinster opposition since 1951, and came after an "extraordinary" performance. "Nobody was ever going to intimidate us," says Casey. "We had a big, powerful team. At 6'1", I would have been one of the smaller individuals on it. And everybody played their heart out."
London scare "a good omen"?
IT was all a long way from the dark days of winter, when Mayo found themselves in Division 3. They scraped past Wexford, Monaghan and Antrim, but kept winning, and reached a National Football League semi-final. John Maughan's creed – "We'll be whipping boys for nobody" – was "instilled in our brains", Casey remembers. Mayo were "damn lucky" to get out of London with a victory, something he told James Horan "could be a good omen" for 2011. Maughan ran them like greyhounds in Westmanstown the morning after that game in Ruislip.
"I remember [Anthony] 'Larry' Finnerty was down on his hands and knees, nearly puking," says Casey, "and Maughan down pinned over him, saying 'Get up Larry. You haven't got the f***in' heart, Larry, have you?' And 'Larry' turned around, out of breath, and said [panting]: 'I have the f***in' heart, John, I just don't have the lungs!' We nearly wet ourselves laughing!"
Having worked miracles with Clare in 1992, Maughan was "the person everyone wanted" for the Mayo job, Casey recalls. "He intimidated fellas into getting better. Was I afraid of him? Yes, I was. If he said 'jump', I used to ask 'how high?' That's the way it was [and] I don't mean that in a bad way. "
Casey had limped on as a sub against Roscommon having ruptured his Achilles "trying to take Maurice Sheridan out" in a club game, he says with characteristic bluntness. He "wasn't right for three or four months after" and actually tried to pack in football, "but the boys told me to 'cop on'."
"Mental" hype, and a virus
JUST 33,165 people paid into Croke Park for that All-Ireland semi-final – Mayo's first appearance at HQ since the 20-point drubbing by Cork in 1993. There were no songs or green and red trees, sheep, cars or road markings yet. Then, all changed, changed utterly. Mayo won and all hell broke loose.
Casey had just had, perhaps, his finest hour in a Mayo jersey. Still a student, he had spent the summer in Mayo GAA summer camps. What was it like for him, a 21-year-old, to suddenly be the focus of media attention and multiple well-wishers?
"Mental," Casey replies. "It probably got to me ... There's no point making excuses 15 years on. I failed to play in an All-Ireland final in '96 ... Did the hype get to me? At the time, I thought 'no', but maybe it did. I got an awful virus too. I lost a stone and a half [in] weight between the semi-final and final and wasn't able to train for three weeks."
Being in the national spotlight was "nearly unbearable", he remembers, referencing one day when "four [people] from RTÉ and three [print] journalists" descended on Charlestown. Living above the family hardware shop, he had a constant stream of people coming in for pictures and looking to have jerseys signed. He was getting cheques in the post, made payable to Mayo GAA, from people who "just wanted to hand money over to the cause". After the final pre-final training session, he eventually "had to go up to Letterkenny" to get away from the "pandemonium".
"A friend of mine came home for the All-Ireland from New York," Casey remembers, "and he said: 'Your jersey went to a good cause'. I said: 'What do you mean by that?' He said: 'Some guy in New York is after buying your jersey from the Kerry match for $2,000 at a charity auction' I said: 'Did he? That's unbelievable! Because that jersey is below in my drawer!'
"No fear" in current crop
WHEN Casey met James Horan at the recent Charlestown-Aghamore match, he told his former team-mate: "I didn't give ye a prayer against Cork". The result left him "in shock" after what the Rebels had done to Down. Now he thinks "the current crop are in a similar position to ourselves".
"Complacency is the root of all evil," he adds. "If it starts in your head, you cannot get rid of it. It takes an overnight job, another training session, to get rid of complacency. Complacency will not go on you in the middle of a game. No matter what Conor Counihan would say to his team at half time, if it's in the belly, it's awful hard to get rid of it. That's what happened to Cork, and Mayo played on it and devoured them, and I was delighted."
Could the same thing happen again next Sunday? Casey thinks Kerry "have been forewarned" now but adds: "Mayo will go in again with no fear ... My heart says one thing, my head says another. But I said that for the Cork game too!"
Was laughing my hole off at that earlier. :D
Yeah. A good christian tradition! Just like the old relics. There used to be more bones about, supposedly belonging to a single saint, than a butcher's dog could wag a tail at in a lifetime. God only knows how many jerseys 'worn' by Willie Joe and others were auctioned off down the years. But sure it was all for a good cause I m sure.
Good piece that, with Casey. I remember him recounting before that in the midst of the All-Ireland hype in 1996 with all sorts of press corps arriving in Charlestown, into his shop arrives a crew from feckin' Eurosport! How could that not affect you? Casey has been hard done by by history. He was something else in 1996 but then injury kicked in.
Just passing through mayo today and was reminded yere in a All Ireland Semi final, it shocks me eveytime tbh, as this is one of the worst mayo teams ive ever seen.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on August 18, 2011, 12:44:07 AM
Just passing through mayo today and was reminded yere in a All Ireland Semi final, it shocks me eveytime tbh, as this is one of the worst mayo teams ive ever seen.
Say what?????? :o
HUP THE GREEN AND RED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on August 17, 2011, 11:45:46 PM
Good piece that, with Casey. I remember him recounting before that in the midst of the All-Ireland hype in 1996 with all sorts of press corps arriving in Charlestown, into his shop arrives a crew from feckin' Eurosport! How could that not affect you? Casey has been hard done by by history. He was something else in 1996 but then injury kicked in.
Casey was... Feck it I remember him beating Sligo virtually single handed at U21 and Mayo went on to AI final that year as far as I can remember. He was midfield and just brilliant energy. Full forward in 96 but wouldn t be his best position. But nobody put a glove on him and he was just gone for the finals. John played Trevor ff as well. And similar enough players, both better taking the game on. An awful loss. Anybody that disses John Casey is best ignored.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on August 18, 2011, 12:44:07 AM
Just passing through mayo today and was reminded yere in a All Ireland Semi final, it shocks me eveytime tbh, as this is one of the worst mayo teams ive ever seen.
You have to be right Sligonian, sure weren't they beaten by Sligo only 12 months ago.
I remember seeing Casey in both the 94 and 95 u-21 allirelands and to me he was head and shoulders above any other Mayo player and we had alot of good players on both of those teams.It was a terrible pity about the injuries as he could have gone on to have had a stellar Mayo career.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on August 18, 2011, 12:44:07 AM
Just passing through mayo today and was reminded yere in a All Ireland Semi final, it shocks me eveytime tbh, as this is one of the worst mayo teams ive ever seen.
Good man Sligonian, tell it like it is.
In '96 Knockmore had just hammered Crossmolina in the first round of the championship, I was in the mart the following morning with the oul fella and met one of the cross lads oul fellas who told us this was the worst Knockmore team he'd ever seen. When he left the oul fella said he was always a bollix and knew nothing about football.
We got to the All Ireland final.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 18, 2011, 08:40:34 AM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on August 18, 2011, 12:44:07 AM
Just passing through mayo today and was reminded yere in a All Ireland Semi final, it shocks me eveytime tbh, as this is one of the worst mayo teams ive ever seen.
Good man Sligonian, tell it like it is.
In '96 Knockmore had just hammered Crossmolina in the first round of the championship, I was in the mart the following morning with the oul fella and met one of the cross lads oul fellas who told us this was the worst Knockmore team he'd ever seen. When he left the oul fella said he was always a bollix and knew nothing about football.
We got to the All Ireland final.
:D :D he was hardly going to say ye had a great team mayo4sam, a man would rather die than admit that ;D
Quote from: moysider on August 18, 2011, 01:11:39 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on August 17, 2011, 11:45:46 PM
Good piece that, with Casey. I remember him recounting before that in the midst of the All-Ireland hype in 1996 with all sorts of press corps arriving in Charlestown, into his shop arrives a crew from feckin' Eurosport! How could that not affect you? Casey has been hard done by by history. He was something else in 1996 but then injury kicked in.
Casey was... Feck it I remember him beating Sligo virtually single handed at U21 and Mayo went on to AI final that year as far as I can remember. He was midfield and just brilliant energy. Full forward in 96 but wouldn t be his best position. But nobody put a glove on him and he was just gone for the finals. John played Trevor ff as well. And similar enough players, both better taking the game on. An awful loss. Anybody that disses John Casey is best ignored.
Casey started at wing back against sligo and moved to midfield when mayo were losing, he made a big impact and the game eneded in a draw. Mayo won replay easily. He started midfield in the U21 final replay against kerry. If memory serves me well, one of the RTE pundits said he was the only mayo player worth mentioning after the final which drew the rath of many mayo people as they believed he was poor that day.
As for having a poor AI final in 1996, all he got all day was high ball kicked in on top of him, nothing in front of him to dash out for. This poor play made an all star of darren fay. Unfortuantely for John, his hitting the ground in the replay fracas didn't cast him in a great light with some folk
Ive a feeling for Mayo
He was our best footballer on that U-21 team |but he was not a natural midfielder in my opinion. He formed a decent enough partnership with Brady though until they came across Darrah O'Shea in the final.
Quote from: rrhf on August 18, 2011, 10:03:32 AM
Ive a feeling for Mayo
+1
Maybe its the excitement and anticipation taking over but I really do think Mayo are poised for a huge performance on Sunday.
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Quote from: rrhf on August 18, 2011, 10:03:32 AM
Ive a feeling for Mayo
+1
Maybe its the excitement and anticipation taking over but I really do think Mayo are poised for a huge performance on Sunday.
Same here. Can't see us not putting it up to them this time. First 10-15 minutes will be huge. Kerry will go for our throats from the off, we need to hang in there by our finger nails if necessary. If we are within 3-4 points at the half we're in with a serious shout. Dead in the water if we give away a soft goal early on, Kerry are notorious for going for the kill early, soft penalty v Meath in 08 and Meath were chasing the game straight away.
Stay with them and it'll rattle Kerry, sure Mayo always lie down...can see Gooch and Donaghy bitching already
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Quote from: AbbeySider on August 18, 2011, 10:24:46 AM
Quote from: rrhf on August 18, 2011, 10:03:32 AM
Ive a feeling for Mayo
+1
Maybe its the excitement and anticipation taking over but I really do think Mayo are poised for a huge performance on Sunday.
Same here. Can't see us not putting it up to them this time. First 10-15 minutes will be huge. Kerry will go for our throats from the off, we need to hang in there by our finger nails if necessary. If we are within 3-4 points at the half we're in with a serious shout. Dead in the water if we give away a soft goal early on, Kerry are notorious for going for the kill early, soft penalty v Meath in 08 and Meath were chasing the game straight away.
Stay with them and it'll rattle Kerry, sure Mayo always lie down...can see Gooch and Donaghy bitching already
Agree that the first 20 mins is crucial. That's when they've beaten us in the past. And I would have worries about that on Sunday - remember Cork could have got another couple of goals in that period of the first half. There was the Higgins block and another chance where Kerrigan blasted it over when he could have gone for goal if he really needed/wanted to.
But if we keep close to them going into second half, our lads will be confident. The youthful legs and the sheer hunger might be more than Kerry could muster up.
Bomber Liston was on Newstalk this morning - he didn't sound worried. He said Mayo had blown their cover against Cork, and Kerry will be ready for them. He said Kerry would have too much for Mayo, and that Mayo carried the ball into tackles and turned it over far too much in their matches. The only weakness he saw was around Kerry's midfield, but he didn't seem to think it could cost them the game.
Quote from: rrhf on August 18, 2011, 10:03:32 AM
Ive a feeling for Mayo
You ain't the only one! ;D
I heard train tickets for the early train and the special train for the match are sold out for Sunday here in the west, but they might put on another train. Looks like a big Mayo crowd are traveling! ;)
C'MON THE GREEN AND RED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Tubberman on August 18, 2011, 11:09:43 AM
Bomber Liston was on Newstalk this morning - he didn't sound worried. He said Mayo had blown their cover against Cork, and Kerry will be ready for them. He said Kerry would have too much for Mayo, and that Mayo carried the ball into tackles and turned it over far too much in their matches. The only weakness he saw was around Kerry's midfield, but he didn't seem to think it could cost them the game.
He was spot on with that - we really need to cut down on that and move the ball fast rather than carrying it into tackles where we're likely to lose the ball or at best, lose momentum.
as this is one of the worst mayo teams ive ever seen.
Lets hope that holds up on Sunday but we will worry about our own performance. I have no worries about our backs remember every night they show up at training they have to face Gooch donaghy the Sullivans etc. Do the mayo backs face the same quality of player in their training games. Talk if a weak midfield will only help Sheehan and Maher remember they were pin pointed against Cork and Limerick as weak links but they won those days with a bit to spare . Remember the performances in the league and how we started and more importantly finished against cork . We have alot left in the ank now that the dirty petrol is gone. Kerry to deliver a good performance on sunday
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 18, 2011, 11:53:40 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 18, 2011, 11:09:43 AM
Bomber Liston was on Newstalk this morning - he didn't sound worried. He said Mayo had blown their cover against Cork, and Kerry will be ready for them. He said Kerry would have too much for Mayo, and that Mayo carried the ball into tackles and turned it over far too much in their matches. The only weakness he saw was around Kerry's midfield, but he didn't seem to think it could cost them the game.
He was spot on with that - we really need to cut down on that and move the ball fast rather than carrying it into tackles where we're likely to lose the ball or at best, lose momentum.
You just got there before me macdanger2 - hopefully Horan has worked on this with both O'Sheas in particular, as Kerry will punish this more severely than Cork. Our best hope is not to give them the chance - once the ball is won, give it to a team-mate rather than going on a solo run.
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 18, 2011, 11:53:40 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 18, 2011, 11:09:43 AM
Bomber Liston was on Newstalk this morning - he didn't sound worried. He said Mayo had blown their cover against Cork, and Kerry will be ready for them. He said Kerry would have too much for Mayo, and that Mayo carried the ball into tackles and turned it over far too much in their matches. The only weakness he saw was around Kerry's midfield, but he didn't seem to think it could cost them the game.
He was spot on with that - we really need to cut down on that and move the ball fast rather than carrying it into tackles where we're likely to lose the ball or at best, lose momentum.
Yep, it was the two O'Sheas who were the main guilty parties - led directly to Cork's second goal. I'm sure that's been addressed since though, so hopefully we won't see the same again. Seamie's kick passing wasn't hectic either, would want to work on that. But overall the two of them are a great pairing to have in the middle, and really suit the style Mayo are playing to this year.
I follow Conor Mortimer on twitter. He seems to be great form for his club since returning from injury. Would love to see a fully fit Conor Mortimer togging out this weekend.
If mayo were to listen to what the bomber said they might aswell pack it in ::).................................. good oul bomber loved those aussies didnt he................nearly shat himself ;D
Quote from: Tubberman on August 18, 2011, 11:57:37 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 18, 2011, 11:53:40 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 18, 2011, 11:09:43 AM
Bomber Liston was on Newstalk this morning - he didn't sound worried. He said Mayo had blown their cover against Cork, and Kerry will be ready for them. He said Kerry would have too much for Mayo, and that Mayo carried the ball into tackles and turned it over far too much in their matches. The only weakness he saw was around Kerry's midfield, but he didn't seem to think it could cost them the game.
He was spot on with that - we really need to cut down on that and move the ball fast rather than carrying it into tackles where we're likely to lose the ball or at best, lose momentum.
Yep, it was the two O'Sheas who were the main guilty parties - led directly to Cork's second goal. I'm sure that's been addressed since though, so hopefully we won't see the same again. Seamie's kick passing wasn't hectic either, would want to work on that. But overall the two of them are a great pairing to have in the middle, and really suit the style Mayo are playing to this year.
Agreed. Great to have some genuine physical presence in the engine room again. Please God they'll do their stuff on Sunday.
Quote from: Tubberman on August 18, 2011, 11:57:37 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 18, 2011, 11:53:40 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 18, 2011, 11:09:43 AM
Bomber Liston was on Newstalk this morning - he didn't sound worried. He said Mayo had blown their cover against Cork, and Kerry will be ready for them. He said Kerry would have too much for Mayo, and that Mayo carried the ball into tackles and turned it over far too much in their matches. The only weakness he saw was around Kerry's midfield, but he didn't seem to think it could cost them the game.
He was spot on with that - we really need to cut down on that and move the ball fast rather than carrying it into tackles where we're likely to lose the ball or at best, lose momentum.
Yep, it was the two O'Sheas who were the main guilty parties - led directly to Cork's second goal. I'm sure that's been addressed since though, so hopefully we won't see the same again. Seamie's kick passing wasn't hectic either, would want to work on that. But overall the two of them are a great pairing to have in the middle, and really suit the style Mayo are playing to this year.
Totally agree, once they get the ball they need to off load it to our young forwards and then run at the Kerry's defence.
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It's great to see Mayo in an all-Ireland semi final. I hope they go all the way.
It would be hard to better Sam going back to Ballina and Castlebar.
Quote from: seafoid on August 18, 2011, 12:45:40 PM
It's great to see Mayo in an all-Ireland semi final. I hope they go all the way.
It would be hard to better Sam going back to Ballina and Castlebar.
We're in a semi final, not a final Seafoid. Against a team that has hammered us the last two times we met in Championship.
There'll be no talk of bringing Sam anywhere this week, depsite your efforts ;)
Quote from: seafoid on August 18, 2011, 12:45:40 PM
It's great to see Mayo in an all-Ireland semi final. I hope they go all the way.
It would be hard to better Sam going back to Ballina and Castlebar.
And Ballaghaderreen!
Typical Mayo!!! Just two days before the game, the county board go and sack JH. According to Ian o Riordan today in the times, the Mayo manager is James Moran!! When did this happen, our county board have a lot to answer for! :D
Quote from: Tubberman on August 18, 2011, 12:50:52 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 18, 2011, 12:45:40 PM
It's great to see Mayo in an all-Ireland semi final. I hope they go all the way.
It would be hard to better Sam going back to Ballina and Castlebar.
We're in a semi final, not a final Seafoid. Against a team that has hammered us the last two times we met in Championship.
There'll be no talk of bringing Sam anywhere this week, depsite your efforts ;)
I hope it is 96 redux.
Anything can happen. Kerry are on the go a long while.
I like the work rate of the Mayo lads and they are well able to score.
It's good for Galway too. Next year we'll be rearing to beat ye ;)
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on August 18, 2011, 12:44:07 AM
Just passing through mayo today and was reminded yere in a All Ireland Semi final, it shocks me eveytime tbh, as this is one of the worst mayo teams ive ever seen.
Well Cork must be pure shit, as must Roscommon, as must Galway. Pity Sligo never got the chance to play us so isn't it. ::)
Why oh why did Maughan have to play Gardiner in a 'non-event' championship club game anyway. >:(
The closer we are getting to the match the more confident i'm getting about the match. I really believe there could be a repeat of 1996 on the cards.
I think Keith Higgins block the last day sums up this Mayo team- Fearless, determined, starved and ready to put their bodies on the line for their county. That block really was the moment of the match for me. They are also young. Thats what they were like in '96. We also have James Horan and James Nallen on the sideline who were playing then.
I really hope the whole county comes out to support the lads on Sunday. What they done for us the last day was great for the county. They give up so much of their time for the county the least we can do is go up to Croker and roar them on.
C'MON THE GREEN AND RED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on August 18, 2011, 12:44:07 AM
Just passing through mayo today and was reminded yere in a All Ireland Semi final, it shocks me eveytime tbh, as this is one of the worst mayo teams ive ever seen.
There's a thread over on gaatipster about the worst teams to win the All Ireland i'm sure the Mayo fans won't give a shi*e if they are added to that thread.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on August 18, 2011, 12:44:07 AM
Just passing through mayo today and was reminded yere in a All Ireland Semi final, it shocks me eveytime tbh, as this is one of the worst mayo teams ive ever seen.
What a bitter little boy you must be
Quote from: AbbeySider on August 18, 2011, 03:30:52 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on August 18, 2011, 12:44:07 AM
Just passing through mayo today and was reminded yere in a All Ireland Semi final, it shocks me eveytime tbh, as this is one of the worst mayo teams ive ever seen.
What a bitter little boy you must be
Agreed! :)
C'MON THE GREEN AND RED!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on August 18, 2011, 12:44:07 AM
Just passing through mayo today and was reminded yere in a All Ireland Semi final, it shocks me eveytime tbh, as this is one of the worst mayo teams ive ever seen.
I'm not sure if they are any better than a few other Mayo teams of recent enough vintage but they definitely aren't the worst.
Best of luck to Mayo. It would be great for Connacht football if ye can pull it off. One way or the other I think ye will be extremely competitive and will push them all the way. Like I said many times before here this is a mentally tough hard working outfit.
In order to win it ye will need to dominate midfield and win all the breaks out there. The O'Ses can certainly scrap for the dirty ball and Moran and Dillon apart from a great work ethic are also excellent ball players. Obviously the Kerry forwards are lethal but only if let play. I'm sure Horan will have some defensive cover in place for the Mayo backs.
Kerry's own defense are natural ball players but possibly suspect if put on the back foot. Hopefully ye can spring Mcgarrity early. Ye have survived bad periods in every match so far but have overcome them to perform better the next day. Nothing to fear guys.
Quote from: AbbeySider on August 18, 2011, 03:30:52 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on August 18, 2011, 12:44:07 AM
Just passing through mayo today and was reminded yere in a All Ireland Semi final, it shocks me eveytime tbh, as this is one of the worst mayo teams ive ever seen.
What a bitter little boy you must be
In what way bitter, sure i never said i wouldnt be cheering ye on sunday ;).
In what way Ross matt will it be good for Roscommon, Sligo, Leitrim and Galway if mayo win on sunday? I dont see it having any impact positive or negative in Sligo.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on August 18, 2011, 05:45:35 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on August 18, 2011, 03:30:52 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on August 18, 2011, 12:44:07 AM
Just passing through mayo today and was reminded yere in a All Ireland Semi final, it shocks me eveytime tbh, as this is one of the worst mayo teams ive ever seen.
What a bitter little boy you must be
In what way bitter, sure i never said i wouldnt be cheering ye on sunday ;).
In what way Ross matt will it be good for Roscommon, Sligo, Leitrim and Galway if mayo win on sunday? I dont see it having any impact positive or negative in Sligo.
Can't disagree with you sentiments. Your own county comes first (as it should) and the success of your provincial neighbours means nothing really. Can't see Tipp, Clare, Waterford and Limerick glad to see Kerry win for the good of the province (B***s***).
Cork are always full of praise when we win for the province . Not a hint of bitterness to them
Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 18, 2011, 08:38:47 PM
Cork are always full of praise when we win for the province . Not a hint of bitterness to them
I bet Kerry was all Red and White last September.......... ;D
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 18, 2011, 08:59:05 PM
Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 18, 2011, 08:38:47 PM
Cork are always full of praise when we win for the province . Not a hint of bitterness to them
I bet Kerry was all Red and White last September.......... ;D
Marc Ó Sé said in a recent interview that he didn t even bother watchin last year s AI final on the telly. Or one of the semis. That s the selfish attitude that seems to make winners.
Twas red and white alright when the c***ts crossed the county bounds and painted the roads and the horse at glenflesk. But then we have shown them Sam at mallow train stn on the way home enough times
Any news on the team?
Mayo spending too much time thinking of ways to counteract Kerry before they name their team , you gotta love it.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 18, 2011, 09:45:51 PM
Mayo spending too much time thinking of ways to counteract Kerry before they name their team , you gotta love it.
No Kerry Mike, a few lads are getting another chance to prove they will be fit for Sunday. Trevor and Peadar must be doing well so if they are getting another chance.
GAA are expecting are expecting a crowd of 45,000-50,000, mainly from the west.
Heard yere own Paul Galvin done well in training the other night. The injury must not be to bad then. Kerry maybe up to their aul tricks again!
C'MON THE GREEN AND RED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just heard from my Kerry friend that the lads were boxing the heads off each other at training tonight.
Biteen of skelping in training never did any harm, great news
Quote from: Jinxy on August 18, 2011, 10:34:10 PM
I just heard from my Kerry friend that the lads were boxing the heads off each other at training tonight.
Those Kerry boys always say that, just to frighten the opposition!
Quote from: Jinxy on August 18, 2011, 10:34:10 PM
I just heard from my Kerry friend that the lads were boxing the heads off each other at training tonight.
We are fkcud so.... ::) Bring IT ON! 8)
Quote from: oneoftheseyears on August 18, 2011, 10:49:59 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 18, 2011, 10:34:10 PM
I just heard from my Kerry friend that the lads were boxing the heads off each other at training tonight.
We are fkcud so.... ::) Bring IT ON! 8)
Come on, BELIEVE! You can do it!
In the unexpected and continuing absence of rosnarun, I am proposing the motion;
"That Mayo have good reason to give the two-fingered salute once again to their critics everywhere."
"If Mayo were to buy in to the national consensus, they should resign themselves to the fact that they are facing the side that has taken the scalps of Tipp, Limerick and Cork along the way. For good measure, they should note the Kingdom dissed the Shannonsiders a second time.
With credential like this, Mayo should accept the inevitable and realise that all that is expected of them is that they turn up to make up the numbers so them cute Kerry hoors will have a warm up; that is a warm up before they stuff the Dubs and bring Sam home to where he rightfully belongs."
" If Mayo were to go be the views of bookies and barstoolers, they would need to make light of the fact that Kerry only played to perceived form in the first half of the Munster Final.
Their second half display when the Langers finally woke up, would have to be forgotten. The bell, aka the long whistle, saved them. But that is to be considered a minor inconvenience."
"Furthermore, the facts that Kerry got sickened by Down at this stage of the competition and that Cork have whupped Down twice in the interim would have to be regarded as infelicities in the mindsets of the cosy consensus brigade.
For the 'experts,' fact never supersedes prejudice where 'Mayo, God help us" is concerned.
The Rebels would have rocked Mayo back to the foothills of the Reek if only they had a full side. Therefore, Mayo should ignore the fact that they gave the Langers a flying start and found themselves seven points adrift before twenty minute shad gone by.
Fiachra Lynch was doing grand in the absence of Nick Murphy even if that lanky Langer is no more a full forward than I am an impartial commentator.
However, that's irrelevant if one wishes to go by the book.
Mayo could justifiably claim that the absence of Ronan Mcgarrity and Conor Mortimer would give them underprivileged status also but to concur with the general view, they'd need to keep their mouths shut."
"All in all, ladies and gentlemen, I believe I have posited a strong case for the impartial, well-balanced individuals in your midst to agree with me that "f**k the begrudgers" is the most appropriate response to all those that can't tell their arses from their elbows when logical analysis is called for.
With that, I am going to move the above motion and get to hell outa here.
I'm off to the local to torment Mad Mike and Kerry Martin; paid up members of the Kerry Brains Trust.
Like all Kerry hoors, they can talk shite and slug porter with equal ease but neither of them will take me on at bookies' odds.
Well, f**k the ..., Sorry, I think I said that already.
G'bye."
(Hope all's well with ros.)
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on August 18, 2011, 05:45:35 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on August 18, 2011, 03:30:52 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on August 18, 2011, 12:44:07 AM
Just passing through mayo today and was reminded yere in a All Ireland Semi final, it shocks me eveytime tbh, as this is one of the worst mayo teams ive ever seen.
What a bitter little boy you must be
In what way bitter, sure i never said i wouldnt be cheering ye on sunday ;).
In what way Ross matt will it be good for Roscommon, Sligo, Leitrim and Galway if mayo win on sunday? I dont see it having any impact positive or negative in Sligo.
I'm older than you. I was fortunate enough to see the great Dermot Earley in his prime. He always impressed upon people when he spoke about the importance of your province. The sense of connection etc. When Galway hurlers won back to back AIs in '87/88 it meant alot for me and many Rossies. I cheered Willie Joe, TJ etc in 89. I loved it when James Horan ghosted through the Kerry defence in '96 and stuck the ball in their net. I rated Galway 98-01 as one of the most exciting and attractive sides I've ever seen play and would love if football still was played like that. I admired O'Hara driving through the Armagh and Tyrone defenses a decade ago approx. I never saw Mickey Kearns play but often heard his name mentioned in reverence from those who knew their football that came before me. In '94 I was delighted to see Darcy & the Honeymans line out in Croker v the Dubs.
Why would I not want Mayo to win? They've beaten my team. But the better they do the more it reflects well on Roscommon's performance and helps us measure how far we have to go.
Do you really think I would want to see the likes of a money grabbing pundit waster like Splillane diss our province as "junk status" and be vindicated by Kerry hammering Mayo? I love Kerry football but I would love it alot more if Andy Moran and his colleagues shoved it up their asses on Sunday.
Rivalry is all very well within a province when we compete against each other but once your team is out I support my neighbours. So what if Mayo for hammered in '04 and '06 AIs. At least they fuckin got there and came back for more. Persistence pays off. Ourselves, yourselves, Galway and leitrim could learn alot from their attitude of eternal optimism.
I try not to fight with you Sligonian but you're a very angry boy. Dont get your bitterness at all and cant see how it helps you or Sligo.
Connacht abu.
Yeah, where is Ros? You'd miss his comic interventions. At least I think they are meant to be comic.
Really, really looking forward to this game now. I haven't looked forward to a Mayo game as much as the 2004 final. I thought we'd win that. Didn't see us beating Dubs or Kerry in 2006 and, naturally, there's been f**k all to look forward to in the 2007-10 spell.
Mayo football has rediscovered its pride this year. That is a point worth making after last year's embarrassments. And, call it hype if you want, but it is great to see the level of interest that exists ahead of this game in the county. I wouldn't call it hype, I'd call it something that's great for the game in Mayo. All of this means, on one level, that we can be proud of what we have done thus far. And we can except that this Mayo team won't show the white feather and will be cute enough and brave enough to stay with Kerry for long stages. There'll be no hammering here, I think.
There's a lot of talk about how losing by two or three points would be a good result and let us build for next year. I see the logic but, feck it, I can't agree. We're in the last four of Ireland and we should be looking to win the thing. I think that's the attitude that will prevail in the squad. Chances like this won't come around by divine right next year.
We have to make this opportunity count. Beat Kerry and the hype will go into overdrive, the talk of 60 years will too and the favourites tag will be bestowed on us for the final, in all likelihood. But we'd be seventy minutes from an All-Ireland. Lose on Sunday and we're back to the start line again. The opportunity of a lifetime only exists during the lifetime of the opportunity. Go for it Mayo. Mayo to win.
Quote from: BennyCake on August 18, 2011, 10:46:58 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 18, 2011, 10:34:10 PM
I just heard from my Kerry friend that the lads were boxing the heads off each other at training tonight.
Those Kerry boys always say that, just to frighten the opposition!
You're not serious.
Quote from: ross matt on August 19, 2011, 12:21:50 AM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on August 18, 2011, 05:45:35 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on August 18, 2011, 03:30:52 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on August 18, 2011, 12:44:07 AM
Just passing through mayo today and was reminded yere in a All Ireland Semi final, it shocks me eveytime tbh, as this is one of the worst mayo teams ive ever seen.
What a bitter little boy you must be
In what way bitter, sure i never said i wouldnt be cheering ye on sunday ;).
In what way Ross matt will it be good for Roscommon, Sligo, Leitrim and Galway if mayo win on sunday? I dont see it having any impact positive or negative in Sligo.
I'm older than you. I was fortunate enough to see the great Dermot Earley in his prime. He always impressed upon people when he spoke about the importance of your province. The sense of connection etc. When Galway hurlers won back to back AIs in '87/88 it meant alot for me and many Rossies. I cheered Willie Joe, TJ etc in 89. I loved it when James Horan ghosted through the Kerry defence in '96 and stuck the ball in their net. I rated Galway 98-01 as one of the most exciting and attractive sides I've ever seen play and would love if football still was played like that. I admired O'Hara driving through the Armagh and Tyrone defenses a decade ago approx. I never saw Mickey Kearns play but often heard his name mentioned in reverence from those who knew their football that came before me. In '94 I was delighted to see Darcy & the Honeymans line out in Croker v the Dubs.
Why would I not want Mayo to win? They've beaten my team. But the better they do the more it reflects well on Roscommon's performance and helps us measure how far we have to go.
Do you really think I would want to see the likes of a money grabbing pundit waster like Splillane diss our province as "junk status" and be vindicated by Kerry hammering Mayo? I love Kerry football but I would love it alot more if Andy Moran and his colleagues shoved it up their asses on Sunday.
Rivalry is all very well within a province when we compete against each other but once your team is out I support my neighbours. So what if Mayo for hammered in '04 and '06 AIs. At least they fuckin got there and came back for more. Persistence pays off. Ourselves, yourselves, Galway and leitrim could learn alot from their attitude of eternal optimism.
I try not to fight with you Sligonian but you're a very angry boy. Dont get your bitterness at all and cant see how it helps you or Sligo.
Connacht abu.
On yer self imposed pedestals lads with the boy comments, i guess in Sligo we talk less shit than other counties, my reference to this being poor, one of the worst mayo side ive seen is my opinion just like 07 Sligo wasnt exactly a great Sligo side was it, but does that make me a bitter boy. I think not. In fact it was the opinion of alot of MAYOMEN after london....
The connacht argument is horsehit, will FOD mark roscommon progress based on Mayos results?? that is a ridiculuos conclusion. By your point if mayo lose by a 1pt on sunday that makes roscommon only 3 pts worse than Kerry :D, i dont see how your view helps roscommon....right back at you.
Rossmatt you asked yourself question i never asked in bold above btw, i asked you how it benefits other counties, it doesnt at all is the answer. And that doesnt make me angry boy, it just makes me the guy who can see through the horseshit thats written on here and i expect you not to like it.
I have absolutely no sensitivity with provincial jibes from spillane as i know he hasnt a clue about Sligo football and as i said before i dont see myself as a Connacht man, Just A Sligo one, and that doesnt make me a bad person. The truth is i dont really care how mayo do, if they win they win if they lose they lose, but im not a mayoman or kerryman so dont really give a shit. I'll probably go to the All Ireland final so Kerry and Dublin would be my ideal final tbh as neither team would bottle it. 8) 8)
Quote from: Jinxy on August 19, 2011, 12:36:33 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 18, 2011, 10:46:58 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 18, 2011, 10:34:10 PM
I just heard from my Kerry friend that the lads were boxing the heads off each other at training tonight.
Those Kerry boys always say that, just to frighten the opposition!
You're not serious.
To be honest, though, you can imagine the Kerry lads batin the shite out of each other at training and you can't really picture the Mayo lads doing it.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on August 19, 2011, 12:54:32 AM
Quote from: ross matt on August 19, 2011, 12:21:50 AM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on August 18, 2011, 05:45:35 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on August 18, 2011, 03:30:52 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on August 18, 2011, 12:44:07 AM
Just passing through mayo today and was reminded yere in a All Ireland Semi final, it shocks me eveytime tbh, as this is one of the worst mayo teams ive ever seen.
What a bitter little boy you must be
In what way bitter, sure i never said i wouldnt be cheering ye on sunday ;).
In what way Ross matt will it be good for Roscommon, Sligo, Leitrim and Galway if mayo win on sunday? I dont see it having any impact positive or negative in Sligo.
I'm older than you. I was fortunate enough to see the great Dermot Earley in his prime. He always impressed upon people when he spoke about the importance of your province. The sense of connection etc. When Galway hurlers won back to back AIs in '87/88 it meant alot for me and many Rossies. I cheered Willie Joe, TJ etc in 89. I loved it when James Horan ghosted through the Kerry defence in '96 and stuck the ball in their net. I rated Galway 98-01 as one of the most exciting and attractive sides I've ever seen play and would love if football still was played like that. I admired O'Hara driving through the Armagh and Tyrone defenses a decade ago approx. I never saw Mickey Kearns play but often heard his name mentioned in reverence from those who knew their football that came before me. In '94 I was delighted to see Darcy & the Honeymans line out in Croker v the Dubs.
Why would I not want Mayo to win? They've beaten my team. But the better they do the more it reflects well on Roscommon's performance and helps us measure how far we have to go.
Do you really think I would want to see the likes of a money grabbing pundit waster like Splillane diss our province as "junk status" and be vindicated by Kerry hammering Mayo? I love Kerry football but I would love it alot more if Andy Moran and his colleagues shoved it up their asses on Sunday.
Rivalry is all very well within a province when we compete against each other but once your team is out I support my neighbours. So what if Mayo for hammered in '04 and '06 AIs. At least they fuckin got there and came back for more. Persistence pays off. Ourselves, yourselves, Galway and leitrim could learn alot from their attitude of eternal optimism.
I try not to fight with you Sligonian but you're a very angry boy. Dont get your bitterness at all and cant see how it helps you or Sligo.
Connacht abu.
On yer self imposed pedestals lads with the boy comments, i guess in Sligo we talk less shit than other counties, my reference to this being poor, one of the worst mayo side ive seen is my opinion just like 07 Sligo wasnt exactly a great Sligo side was it, but does that make me a bitter boy. I think not. In fact it was the opinion of alot of MAYOMEN after london....
The connacht argument is horsehit, will FOD mark roscommon progress based on Mayos results?? that is a ridiculuos conclusion. By your point if mayo lose by a 1pt on sunday that makes roscommon only 3 pts worse than Kerry :D, i dont see how your view helps roscommon....right back at you.
Rossmatt you asked yourself question i never asked in bold above btw, i asked you how it benefits other counties, it doesnt at all is the answer. And that doesnt make me angry boy, it just makes me the guy who can see through the horseshit thats written on here and i expect you not to like it.
I have absolutely no sensitivity with provincial jibes from spillane as i know he hasnt a clue about Sligo football and as i said before i dont see myself as a Connacht man, Just A Sligo one, and that doesnt make me a bad person. The truth is i dont really care how mayo do, if they win they win if they lose they lose, but im not a mayoman or kerryman so dont really give a shit. I'll probably go to the All Ireland final so Kerry and Dublin would be my ideal final tbh as neither team would bottle it. 8) 8)
If ya don't give a shit don't comment. Simple as that.
Quote from: Hardy on August 19, 2011, 01:09:33 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 19, 2011, 12:36:33 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 18, 2011, 10:46:58 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 18, 2011, 10:34:10 PM
I just heard from my Kerry friend that the lads were boxing the heads off each other at training tonight.
Those Kerry boys always say that, just to frighten the opposition!
You're not serious.
To be honest, though, you can imagine the Kerry lads batin the shite out of each other at training and you can't really picture the Mayo lads doing it.
Ah now, I could imagine the O'Shea brothers batin' each other about who washs the dishes when they get home!!!!
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 19, 2011, 12:02:13 AM
In the unexpected and continuing absence of rosnarun, I am proposing the motion;
"That Mayo have good reason to give the two-fingered salute once again to their critics everywhere."
"If Mayo were to buy in to the national consensus, they should resign themselves to the fact that they are facing the side that has taken the scalps of Tipp, Limerick and Cork along the way. For good measure, they should note the Kingdom dissed the Shannonsiders a second time.
With credential like this, Mayo should accept the inevitable and realise that all that is expected of them is that they turn up to make up the numbers so them cute Kerry hoors will have a warm up; that is a warm up before they stuff the Dubs and bring Sam home to where he rightfully belongs."
" If Mayo were to go be the views of bookies and barstoolers, they would need to make light of the fact that Kerry only played to perceived form in the first half of the Munster Final.
Their second half display when the Langers finally woke up, would have to be forgotten. The bell, aka the long whistle, saved them. But that is to be considered a minor inconvenience."
"Furthermore, the facts that Kerry got sickened by Down at this stage of the competition and that Cork have whupped Down twice in the interim would have to be regarded as infelicities in the mindsets of the cosy consensus brigade.
For the 'experts,' fact never supersedes prejudice where 'Mayo, God help us" is concerned.
The Rebels would have rocked Mayo back to the foothills of the Reek if only they had a full side. Therefore, Mayo should ignore the fact that they gave the Langers a flying start and found themselves seven points adrift before twenty minute shad gone by.
Fiachra Lynch was doing grand in the absence of Nick Murphy even if that lanky Langer is no more a full forward than I am an impartial commentator.
However, that's irrelevant if one wishes to go by the book.
Mayo could justifiably claim that the absence of Ronan Mcgarrity and Conor Mortimer would give them underprivileged status also but to concur with the general view, they'd need to keep their mouths shut."
"All in all, ladies and gentlemen, I believe I have posited a strong case for the impartial, well-balanced individuals in your midst to agree with me that "f**k the begrudgers" is the most appropriate response to all those that can't tell their arses from their elbows when logical analysis is called for.
With that, I am going to move the above motion and get to hell outa here.
I'm off to the local to torment Mad Mike and Kerry Martin; paid up members of the Kerry Brains Trust.
Like all Kerry hoors, they can talk shite and slug porter with equal ease but neither of them will take me on at bookies' odds.
Well, f**k the ..., Sorry, I think I said that already.
G'bye."
(Hope all's well with ros.)
Well said Lar! Who gives two flying f**ks what people are saying about us. At the end of the day it's about what the lads are thinking running out onto Croker.
C'MON THE GREEN AND RED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Hardy on August 19, 2011, 01:09:33 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 19, 2011, 12:36:33 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 18, 2011, 10:46:58 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 18, 2011, 10:34:10 PM
I just heard from my Kerry friend that the lads were boxing the heads off each other at training tonight.
Those Kerry boys always say that, just to frighten the opposition!
You're not serious.
To be honest, though, you can imagine the Kerry lads batin the shite out of each other at training and you can't really picture the Mayo lads doing it.
To be honest, though, you can imagine the Kerry lads batin the shite out of each other at training and you can't really picture the Meath lads doing it. Suppose it's because they're not training !
Quote from: ross matt on August 19, 2011, 12:21:50 AM
I'm older than you. I was fortunate enough to see the great Dermot Earley in his prime. He always impressed upon people when he spoke about the importance of your province. The sense of connection etc. When Galway hurlers won back to back AIs in '87/88 it meant alot for me and many Rossies. I cheered Willie Joe, TJ etc in 89. I loved it when James Horan ghosted through the Kerry defence in '96 and stuck the ball in their net. I rated Galway 98-01 as one of the most exciting and attractive sides I've ever seen play and would love if football still was played like that. I admired O'Hara driving through the Armagh and Tyrone defenses a decade ago approx. I never saw Mickey Kearns play but often heard his name mentioned in reverence from those who knew their football that came before me. In '94 I was delighted to see Darcy & the Honeymans line out in Croker v the Dubs.
Why would I not want Mayo to win? They've beaten my team. But the better they do the more it reflects well on Roscommon's performance and helps us measure how far we have to go.
Do you really think I would want to see the likes of a money grabbing pundit waster like Splillane diss our province as "junk status" and be vindicated by Kerry hammering Mayo? I love Kerry football but I would love it alot more if Andy Moran and his colleagues shoved it up their asses on Sunday.
Rivalry is all very well within a province when we compete against each other but once your team is out I support my neighbours. So what if Mayo for hammered in '04 and '06 AIs. At least they fuckin got there and came back for more. Persistence pays off. Ourselves, yourselves, Galway and leitrim could learn alot from their attitude of eternal optimism.
I try not to fight with you Sligonian but you're a very angry boy. Dont get your bitterness at all and cant see how it helps you or Sligo.
Connacht abu.
Good post RM, hopefully Roscommon, Galway and Mayo will all be in Croker on the 18th.
Sligoian, two things.
In my lifetime I have only ever seen mayo bottle one game, unlucky with val dalys goal in Tuam in '89 when there wasn't a Galway man left only the 15 on the pitch, same in '01 against the Ross. The only game I ever saw them bottle was in '96 v Meath day 1. You might point to 97 but we lost to the best footballer of the decade giving the display of his life.
In '04 & '06, IMO, we lost to the best team of the last 20 yrs, since their fathers played in the 80s there's been no team like that Kerry team that reached 6 AIFs in a row, we didnt bottle it we simply lost to a better team and no talk if tactics will ever change that.
Can Sligo say the same thing about the Connacht final '10?
Secondly it's good for Connacht football to have teams in the latter stages of the championship, would Galway have made the breakthrough in '98 if mayo hadn't been to the final 2 yrs running? I don't think so because the Sligo lads or the rossie lads will say well we can beat Mayo, no problem, let us at them, and sure if mayo can beat cork/Kerry/Dublin well f**k it what's to stop us?
It was the same with club football in Mayo, castlebar got to the final in 93, the following yr k'more won Connacht, all of a sudden it wasn't a big deal, ballina look at us and say well we can do that too, cross think sure we're better than those pair, it all leads on.
A fine post Ross Matt, and I'll be in early to shout for the primrose and blue in the minors as I was in '06
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I just heard from my Kerry friend that the lads were boxing the heads off each other at training tonight.
Those Kerry boys always say that, just to frighten the opposition!
You're not serious.
To be honest, though, you can imagine the Kerry lads batin the shite out of each other at training and you can't really picture the Mayo lads doing it.
To be honest, though, you can imagine the Kerry lads batin the shite out of each other at training and you can't really picture the Meath lads doing it. Suppose it's because they're not training !
Our lads are in the pub batin the shite out of each other.
good post ros matt and despite what sligonian says ,a connacht team doing well in croker gives the other teams a great incentive to raise there standards the following year.But in fairness to sligonian he is entitled to his opinion about the mayo team and every body should at least respect that. Also this idea of a close defeat being acceptable next sunday does not hold water with me as there are no guarntees we will be back in the semi final in the near future so we should make the most of our opportunity right now.
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Just passing through mayo today and was reminded yere in a All Ireland Semi final, it shocks me eveytime tbh, as this is one of the worst mayo teams ive ever seen.
What a bitter little boy you must be
In what way bitter, sure i never said i wouldnt be cheering ye on sunday ;).
In what way Ross matt will it be good for Roscommon, Sligo, Leitrim and Galway if mayo win on sunday? I dont see it having any impact positive or negative in Sligo.
I'm older than you. I was fortunate enough to see the great Dermot Earley in his prime. He always impressed upon people when he spoke about the importance of your province. The sense of connection etc. When Galway hurlers won back to back AIs in '87/88 it meant alot for me and many Rossies. I cheered Willie Joe, TJ etc in 89. I loved it when James Horan ghosted through the Kerry defence in '96 and stuck the ball in their net. I rated Galway 98-01 as one of the most exciting and attractive sides I've ever seen play and would love if football still was played like that. I admired O'Hara driving through the Armagh and Tyrone defenses a decade ago approx. I never saw Mickey Kearns play but often heard his name mentioned in reverence from those who knew their football that came before me. In '94 I was delighted to see Darcy & the Honeymans line out in Croker v the Dubs.
Why would I not want Mayo to win? They've beaten my team. But the better they do the more it reflects well on Roscommon's performance and helps us measure how far we have to go.
Do you really think I would want to see the likes of a money grabbing pundit waster like Splillane diss our province as "junk status" and be vindicated by Kerry hammering Mayo? I love Kerry football but I would love it alot more if Andy Moran and his colleagues shoved it up their asses on Sunday.
Rivalry is all very well within a province when we compete against each other but once your team is out I support my neighbours. So what if Mayo for hammered in '04 and '06 AIs. At least they fuckin got there and came back for more. Persistence pays off. Ourselves, yourselves, Galway and leitrim could learn alot from their attitude of eternal optimism.
I try not to fight with you Sligonian but you're a very angry boy. Dont get your bitterness at all and cant see how it helps you or Sligo.
Connacht abu.
On yer self imposed pedestals lads with the boy comments, i guess in Sligo we talk less shit than other counties, my reference to this being poor, one of the worst mayo side ive seen is my opinion just like 07 Sligo wasnt exactly a great Sligo side was it, but does that make me a bitter boy. I think not. In fact it was the opinion of alot of MAYOMEN after london....
The connacht argument is horsehit, will FOD mark roscommon progress based on Mayos results?? that is a ridiculuos conclusion. By your point if mayo lose by a 1pt on sunday that makes roscommon only 3 pts worse than Kerry :D, i dont see how your view helps roscommon....right back at you.
Rossmatt you asked yourself question i never asked in bold above btw, i asked you how it benefits other counties, it doesnt at all is the answer. And that doesnt make me angry boy, it just makes me the guy who can see through the horseshit thats written on here and i expect you not to like it.
I have absolutely no sensitivity with provincial jibes from spillane as i know he hasnt a clue about Sligo football and as i said before i dont see myself as a Connacht man, Just A Sligo one, and that doesnt make me a bad person. The truth is i dont really care how mayo do, if they win they win if they lose they lose, but im not a mayoman or kerryman so dont really give a shit. I'll probably go to the All Ireland final so Kerry and Dublin would be my ideal final tbh as neither team would bottle it. 8) 8)
I think the truth is that you do care how Mayo do. Why else would you have posted in this thread? Your small-minded jealousy, your short temper and your inability to keep the mouth shut got the better of you yet again, and you had to let it out, had to have a dig. Hope it reduced the blood pressure a bit anyway
Ross Matt
Great post. I'll never forget 2001 when the 2 Connacht teams won the club all-irelands- Crossmolina in the fuball and Athenry in the hurling. What a day.
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Ross Matt
Great post. I'll never forget 2001 when the 2 Connacht teams won the club all-irelands- Crossmolina in the fuball and Athenry in the hurling. What a day.
That was some day allright seafoid . Great post by Ross matt but your not going to change sligonians opinion thats just the way the man is.
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Ross Matt
Great post. I'll never forget 2001 when the 2 Connacht teams won the club all-irelands- Crossmolina in the fuball and Athenry in the hurling. What a day.
Yeah Seafoid forgot about the club AIs. Also in '01 Galway were AI champions, Mayo were league champions and Ross were Connacht champions. I also think Sligo, Mayo, Ross and Galway contested the league semis that year too.
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Ross Matt
Great post. I'll never forget 2001 when the 2 Connacht teams won the club all-irelands- Crossmolina in the fuball and Athenry in the hurling. What a day.
Yeah Seafoid forgot about the club AIs. Also in '01 Galway were AI champions, Mayo were league champions and Ross were Connacht champions. I also think Sligo, Mayo, Ross and Galway contested the league semis that year too.
Yeah, that's right. Although, foot and mouth had a part to play in that I think. The northern teams couldn't come down to fulfill some fixtures. It was still some achievement though, having all four semi finalists from one province, never mind from the province always derided as by far the weakest.
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Yeah, where is Ros? You'd miss his comic interventions. At least I think they are meant to be comic.
Really, really looking forward to this game now. I haven't looked forward to a Mayo game as much as the 2004 final. I thought we'd win that. Didn't see us beating Dubs or Kerry in 2006 and, naturally, there's been f**k all to look forward to in the 2007-10 spell.
Mayo football has rediscovered its pride this year. That is a point worth making after last year's embarrassments. And, call it hype if you want, but it is great to see the level of interest that exists ahead of this game in the county. I wouldn't call it hype, I'd call it something that's great for the game in Mayo. All of this means, on one level, that we can be proud of what we have done thus far. And we can except that this Mayo team won't show the white feather and will be cute enough and brave enough to stay with Kerry for long stages. There'll be no hammering here, I think.
There's a lot of talk about how losing by two or three points would be a good result and let us build for next year. I see the logic but, feck it, I can't agree. We're in the last four of Ireland and we should be looking to win the thing. I think that's the attitude that will prevail in the squad. Chances like this won't come around by divine right next year.
We have to make this opportunity count. Beat Kerry and the hype will go into overdrive, the talk of 60 years will too and the favourites tag will be bestowed on us for the final, in all likelihood. But we'd be seventy minutes from an All-Ireland. Lose on Sunday and we're back to the start line again. The opportunity of a lifetime only exists during the lifetime of the opportunity. Go for it Mayo. Mayo to win.
Not if Dublin win their semi. They will be favourites as the media always overestimate Dublin and underestimate Mayo. Also Dublin are the one crowd who are able to outdo ourselves in unreasonable levels of expectation. And we have to remember that bookies will follow the money and most of the money will be coming from Dublin.
Having said all that I'd prefer if Donegal made the final (if we get there also - which is at best a 50:50 shot) purely due to the ticket issue!
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Yeah, where is Ros? You'd miss his comic interventions. At least I think they are meant to be comic.
Really, really looking forward to this game now. I haven't looked forward to a Mayo game as much as the 2004 final. I thought we'd win that. Didn't see us beating Dubs or Kerry in 2006 and, naturally, there's been f**k all to look forward to in the 2007-10 spell.
Mayo football has rediscovered its pride this year. That is a point worth making after last year's embarrassments. And, call it hype if you want, but it is great to see the level of interest that exists ahead of this game in the county. I wouldn't call it hype, I'd call it something that's great for the game in Mayo. All of this means, on one level, that we can be proud of what we have done thus far. And we can except that this Mayo team won't show the white feather and will be cute enough and brave enough to stay with Kerry for long stages. There'll be no hammering here, I think.
There's a lot of talk about how losing by two or three points would be a good result and let us build for next year. I see the logic but, feck it, I can't agree. We're in the last four of Ireland and we should be looking to win the thing. I think that's the attitude that will prevail in the squad. Chances like this won't come around by divine right next year.
We have to make this opportunity count. Beat Kerry and the hype will go into overdrive, the talk of 60 years will too and the favourites tag will be bestowed on us for the final, in all likelihood. But we'd be seventy minutes from an All-Ireland. Lose on Sunday and we're back to the start line again. The opportunity of a lifetime only exists during the lifetime of the opportunity. Go for it Mayo. Mayo to win.
Not if Dublin win their semi. They will be favourites as the media always overestimate Dublin and underestimate Mayo. Also Dublin are the one crowd who are able to outdo ourselves in unreasonable levels of expectation. And we have to remember that bookies will follow the money and most of the money will be coming from Dublin.
Having said all that I'd prefer if Donegal made the final (if we get there also - which is at best a 50:50 shot) purely due to the ticket issue!
What is the Club breakdown in Mayo, Kerry, Donegal & Dublin for each if they were to make the Final. I know Cork have the biggest allocation, I think Mayo has enough clubs to be ranked 3'rd. I presume Dublin is 2'nd, having played junior football up there the amount of clubs is huge.
Let Dublin and Donegal decide who Mayo/Kerry play in the Final.
Jaysus, RTÉ have tipped Mayo on their website. :o
Still big underdogs, but nowhere near as written off as we were before Cork.
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Ross Matt
Great post. I'll never forget 2001 when the 2 Connacht teams won the club all-irelands- Crossmolina in the fuball and Athenry in the hurling. What a day.
Yeah Seafoid forgot about the club AIs. Also in '01 Galway were AI champions, Mayo were league champions and Ross were Connacht champions. I also think Sligo, Mayo, Ross and Galway contested the league semis that year too.
Yeah, that's right. Although, foot and mouth had a part to play in that I think. The northern teams couldn't come down to fulfill some fixtures. It was still some achievement though, having all four semi finalists from one province, never mind from the province always derided as by far the weakest.
Actually you're correct Tubberman. Foot and Mouth had an effect on the league that year.
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Sligoian, two things.
In my lifetime I have only ever seen mayo bottle one game, unlucky with val dalys goal in Tuam in '89 when there wasn't a Galway man left only the 15 on the pitch, same in '01 against the Ross. The only game I ever saw them bottle was in '96 v Meath day 1. You might point to 97 but we lost to the best footballer of the decade giving the display of his life.
In '04 & '06, IMO, we lost to the best team of the last 20 yrs, since their fathers played in the 80s there's been no team like that Kerry team that reached 6 AIFs in a row, we didnt bottle it we simply lost to a better team and no talk if tactics will ever change that.
Can Sligo say the same thing about the Connacht final '10?
Secondly it's good for Connacht football to have teams in the latter stages of the championship, would Galway have made the breakthrough in '98 if mayo hadn't been to the final 2 yrs running? I don't think so because the Sligo lads or the rossie lads will say well we can beat Mayo, no problem, let us at them, and sure if mayo can beat cork/Kerry/Dublin well f**k it what's to stop us?
It was the same with club football in Mayo, castlebar got to the final in 93, the following yr k'more won Connacht, all of a sudden it wasn't a big deal, ballina look at us and say well we can do that too, cross think sure we're better than those pair, it all leads on.
A fine post Ross Matt, and I'll be in early to shout for the primrose and blue in the minors as I was in '06
Bit harsh there, more like paniced then bottled. Bounce of a ball (literally) cost that AI, not many teams have lost it like that.
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Ross Matt
Great post. I'll never forget 2001 when the 2 Connacht teams won the club all-irelands- Crossmolina in the fuball and Athenry in the hurling. What a day.
Yeah Seafoid forgot about the club AIs. Also in '01 Galway were AI champions, Mayo were league champions and Ross were Connacht champions. I also think Sligo, Mayo, Ross and Galway contested the league semis that year too.
Yeah, that's right. Although, foot and mouth had a part to play in that I think. The northern teams couldn't come down to fulfill some fixtures. It was still some achievement though, having all four semi finalists from one province, never mind from the province always derided as by far the weakest.
Actually you're correct Tubberman. Foot and Mouth had an effect on the league that year.
And u21 final i believe
Passed through Drumcondra this morning, can't wait for Sunday!!!
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Jaysus, RTÉ have tipped Mayo on their website. :o
Still big underdogs, but nowhere near as written off as we were before Cork.
Read that. Thank you Seamus Leonard,whoever you are!
hogan stand go for kerry
david bradys all quite too...........would love to hear his wisdom on this game
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david bradys all quite too...........would love to hear his wisdom on this game
He is tied up in a shed behind the Sportlann in Castlebar until after the match. Unless we win that is.
My mother in law won tickets to this, so I'm taking an unexpected trip up with the Kerry contingent :D Looking forward to it now.
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david bradys all quite too...........would love to hear his wisdom on this game
Sorry Squire. You cant have those words in the same sentence. Please edit the post.
I've done nothing all day but think about the drama (hopefully) that will unfold on Sunday!
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Ross Matt
Great post. I'll never forget 2001 when the 2 Connacht teams won the club all-irelands- Crossmolina in the fuball and Athenry in the hurling. What a day.
Yeah Seafoid forgot about the club AIs. Also in '01 Galway were AI champions, Mayo were league champions and Ross were Connacht champions. I also think Sligo, Mayo, Ross and Galway contested the league semis that year too.
Yeah, that's right. Although, foot and mouth had a part to play in that I think. The northern teams couldn't come down to fulfill some fixtures. It was still some achievement though, having all four semi finalists from one province, never mind from the province always derided as by far the weakest.
I was at the finals in 1988 when Athenry lost the hurling and Clann lost the football so 2001 was very, very sweet. I thought it would never happen.
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Ross Matt
Great post. I'll never forget 2001 when the 2 Connacht teams won the club all-irelands- Crossmolina in the fuball and Athenry in the hurling. What a day.
Yeah Seafoid forgot about the club AIs. Also in '01 Galway were AI champions, Mayo were league champions and Ross were Connacht champions. I also think Sligo, Mayo, Ross and Galway contested the league semis that year too.
Yeah, that's right. Although, foot and mouth had a part to play in that I think. The northern teams couldn't come down to fulfill some fixtures. It was still some achievement though, having all four semi finalists from one province, never mind from the province always derided as by far the weakest.
I was at the finals in 1988 when Athenry lost the hurling and Clann lost the football so 2001 was very, very sweet. I thought it would never happen.
I love getting in behind the Province, when we cross that river, great comradery among the people of the West. Lets hope that on the 18'th of September there will be 3 Connacht Counties on show.
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I've done nothing all day but think about the drama (hopefully) that will unfold on Sunday!
Yeah the Fair City omnibus is a great way to catch up with the goings on in Carrigstown alright. ;)
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I've done nothing all day but think about the drama (hopefully) that will unfold on Sunday!
Yeah the Fair City omnibus is a great way to catch up with the goings on in Carrigstown alright. ;)
I think farr was talking about the x factor results show in fairness...... :P
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Jaysus, RTÉ have tipped Mayo on their website. :o
Still big underdogs, but nowhere near as written off as we were before Cork.
RTE so far have tipped Leitrim to beat Roscommon, Roscommon to win the Connacht final & Cork to beat Mayo.
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I've done nothing all day but think about the drama (hopefully) that will unfold on Sunday!
Yeah the Fair City omnibus is a great way to catch up with the goings on in Carrigstown alright. ;)
I think farr was talking about the x factor results show in fairness...... :P
Ah stop lads, tis Coppers and the new chat up line
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Quote from: Tubberman on August 19, 2011, 11:17:06 AM
Jaysus, RTÉ have tipped Mayo on their website. :o
Still big underdogs, but nowhere near as written off as we were before Cork.
RTE so far have tipped Leitrim to beat Roscommon, Roscommon to win the Connacht final & Cork to beat Mayo.
then this is their sly attempt to finally get one right
This would be the way to beat these arrogant, assuming, yearrahing hoors. Sweet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt7z5aQSpeA
That is just beautiful.
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This would be the way to beat these arrogant, assuming, yearrahing hoors. Sweet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt7z5aQSpeA
Class.
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This would be the way to beat these arrogant, assuming, yearrahing hoors. Sweet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt7z5aQSpeA
Class.
Brilliant!
Off for the weekend so i just want to wish all the best to the Mayo lads. Enjoy the papers tomorrow and the day after and give Kerry bhfaca tú on Sunday. Connacht abú.
Same team that faced Cork for Mayo!
C'MON THE GREEN AND RED!!!!!!!!!!!!
Like a ghost hanging around a foggy lake Sligonian reappears. Gone from Hogan Stand due to his own turning on him, he clanks around Gaaboard.com rattling his tin of misery and hate towards his betters in Connacht. Why wouldn't he hate Mayo..and Galway and Roscommon and Leitrim. They are all better than his own sad county. I recently saw on another post they have yet to win a Connacht U21 title. Like farmer2 old Sligonian looks across Killala bay through green tinted glasses. Be gone bitter lad and take your misery with you boy. Away with you to the lake Isle of Innisfree where ...ah you know yourself...a thingy majig of clay and wattles made.
Good man southsidejohnny. It's amazing the way sligonian just came out of nowhere. I'm sure he must hope Kerry beat us quite handsomely to back up his assertion that this ranks as one of the worst Mayo teams of all time...
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Like a ghost hanging around a foggy lake Sligonian reappears. Gone from Hogan Stand due to his own turning on him, he clanks around Gaaboard.com rattling his tin of misery and hate towards his betters in Connacht. Why wouldn't he hate Mayo..and Galway and Roscommon and Leitrim. They are all better than his own sad county. I recently saw on another post they have yet to win a Connacht U21 title. Like farmer2 old Sligonian looks across Killala bay through green tinted glasses. Be gone bitter lad and take your misery with you boy. Away with you to the lake Isle of Innisfree where ...ah you know yourself...a thingy majig of clay and wattles made.
"Like a ghost hanging around a foggy lake.." Bejasus, Johnny, you're in fine fighting form! ;D
I haven't laughed so much in a long, long time.
Quote from: southsidejohnny on August 19, 2011, 06:27:32 PM
Like a ghost hanging around a foggy lake Sligonian reappears. Gone from Hogan Stand due to his own turning on him, he clanks around Gaaboard.com rattling his tin of misery and hate towards his betters in Connacht. Why wouldn't he hate Mayo..and Galway and Roscommon and Leitrim. They are all better than his own sad county. I recently saw on another post they have yet to win a Connacht U21 title. Like farmer2 old Sligonian looks across Killala bay through green tinted glasses. Be gone bitter lad and take your misery with you boy. Away with you to the lake Isle of Innisfree where ...ah you know yourself...a thingy majig of clay and wattles made.
A fine post southsidejonny!
C'MON THE GREEN AND RED!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: moysider on August 19, 2011, 03:38:01 PM
This would be the way to beat these arrogant, assuming, yearrahing hoors. Sweet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt7z5aQSpeA
Loving the Mayo/John Treacy analogy (what was his best ever finish in a major event again?), not so much liking the Kerry/arrogant english pr*ck thing though.
I must say the Mayo crowd do pre-game hubris like no other...go from "we haven't a hope" to "We'll deshtroy the f*ckers" in the blink of an eye!
For those who want to know. Mayo team to play Kerry in Sunday's All-Ireland Football Championship semi-final in Croke Park, throw-in 3:30pm:
Robert Hennelly, Tom Cunniffe, Ger Cafferkey, Keith Higgins, Richie Feeney, Donal Vaughan, Trevor Mortimer, Aidan O'Shea, Seamus O'Shea, Kevin McLoughlin, Alan Dillon, Andy Moran, Enda Varley, Alan Freeman, Cillian O'Connor.
Any team with 2 kerrymen in midfield needs to be respected but would either get on a Kerry team?
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For those who want to know. Mayo team to play Kerry in Sunday's All-Ireland Football Championship semi-final in Croke Park, throw-in 3:30pm:
Robert Hennelly, Tom Cunniffe, Ger Cafferkey, Keith Higgins, Richie Feeney, Donal Vaughan, Trevor Mortimer, Aidan O'Shea, Seamus O'Shea, Kevin McLoughlin, Alan Dillon, Andy Moran, Enda Varley, Alan Freeman, Cillian O'Connor.
Any team with 2 kerrymen in midfield needs to be respected but would either get on a Kerry team?
Good man Mike we were wondering what the team was-You were very fast with that info fair play!
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This would be the way to beat these arrogant, assuming, yearrahing hoors. Sweet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt7z5aQSpeA
Loving the Mayo/John Treacy analogy (what was his best ever finish in a major event again?), not so much liking the Kerry/arrogant english pr*ck thing though.
I must say the Mayo crowd do pre-game hubris like no other...go from "we haven't a hope" to "We'll deshtroy the f*ckers" in the blink of an eye!
I have been telling ye over on the other thread that Mayo have an antipathy toward Kerry which I have noticed coming to the fore this week. I agree the Kerry/arrogant english p***k thing is way out of line. I think over the last few years that Kerry fans have been as gracious as possible toward Mayo, trying to walk the thin line between showing respect but not patronizing but its a losing battle as they will paint us whatever way they want as they wrestle with the demons in their own heads. Its quite unfortunate really.
Still, whatever happens lets hope its a good hard hitting game but clean and best of luck to both teams.
A Kerryman and an Englishman - sure who could tell one from the other?
I know he was picked on the team but how fit is Darran O'Sullivan? as we know he pulled his hamstring v Limerick & that usually takes longer than 3 weeks. He's been Kerrys best forward this year & his level of fitness could make all the difference.
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A Kerryman and an Englishman - sure who could tell one from the other?
Maybe I am missing some irony or humour........ WAY off the mark? No?
Poor Mike Sheehy and his annoyance of the antipathy that we have for Kerry. The reason is we're sick of ye. Happy now. Generally whenever Kerry are beaten in my house we all are happy. It's just that ye have had so much success down the years and nothing about 04/06 whatever you might think.
best of luck to Mayo on sunday, Tyrone figured kerry out, hoping Mayo do too.
QuoteI must say the Mayo crowd do pre-game hubris like no other...go from "we haven't a hope" to "We'll deshtroy the f*ckers" in the blink of an eye!
As insightful a comment as is on this thread. It pains me to fully agree with it. In the space of a week we've gone from trying to be clever and make out that we're underdogs to banging the chest and saying we are going to win (broad sweeping brush being applied here).
By any level of analysis there is no way Mayo could be considered as anything other than long odds outsiders.... and yet the process continues. It will continue tomorrow night as the Mayo masses start gathering in various Dublin watering holes and by the time a few pints are had before the match on Sunday we will have ourselves convinced that victory is the only possible outcome.
I've been here too often and I'm afraid, very afraid. I passionately hope that I am wrong but I just cant see our much talked-up defence having a hope of handling the Kerry forwards and even if we clean them out at midfield 70:30 (a novice midfield pairing are going to wipe the floor against Kerry on the back of 1 performance ...requires a stretch of imagination to put it mildly) then still not good enough.
Typing from my phone too much of a pain to say more .... but come on fellow Mayo folk - reality check.
Quote from: blast05 on August 19, 2011, 11:18:04 PM
QuoteI must say the Mayo crowd do pre-game hubris like no other...go from "we haven't a hope" to "We'll deshtroy the f*ckers" in the blink of an eye!
As insightful a comment as is on this thread. It pains me to fully agree with it. In the space of a week we've gone from trying to be clever and make out that we're underdogs to banging the chest and saying we are going to win (broad sweeping brush being applied here).
By any level of analysis there is no way Mayo could be considered as anything other than long odds outsiders.... and yet the process continues. It will continue tomorrow night as the Mayo masses start gathering in various Dublin watering holes and by the time a few pints are had before the match on Sunday we will have ourselves convinced that victory is the only possible outcome.
I've been here too often and I'm afraid, very afraid. I passionately hope that I am wrong but I just cant see our much talked-up defence having a hope of handling the Kerry forwards and even if we clean them out at midfield 70:30 (a novice midfield pairing are going to wipe the floor against Kerry on the back of 1 performance ...requires a stretch of imagination to put it mildly) then still not good enough.
Typing from my phone too much of a pain to say more .... but come on fellow Mayo folk - reality check.
I haven't come across anyone from Mayo yet saying anything unrealistic in the past few weeks about our a game against Kerry. At the end of the day it's a 50-50 chance between these two teams. If each player gives everything they have then anyone can win.
C'MON THE GREEN AND RED!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Sam2011 on August 19, 2011, 11:31:55 PM
Quote from: blast05 on August 19, 2011, 11:18:04 PM
QuoteI must say the Mayo crowd do pre-game hubris like no other...go from "we haven't a hope" to "We'll deshtroy the f*ckers" in the blink of an eye!
As insightful a comment as is on this thread. It pains me to fully agree with it. In the space of a week we've gone from trying to be clever and make out that we're underdogs to banging the chest and saying we are going to win (broad sweeping brush being applied here).
By any level of analysis there is no way Mayo could be considered as anything other than long odds outsiders.... and yet the process continues. It will continue tomorrow night as the Mayo masses start gathering in various Dublin watering holes and by the time a few pints are had before the match on Sunday we will have ourselves convinced that victory is the only possible outcome.
I've been here too often and I'm afraid, very afraid. I passionately hope that I am wrong but I just cant see our much talked-up defence having a hope of handling the Kerry forwards and even if we clean them out at midfield 70:30 (a novice midfield pairing are going to wipe the floor against Kerry on the back of 1 performance ...requires a stretch of imagination to put it mildly) then still not good enough.
Typing from my phone too much of a pain to say more .... but come on fellow Mayo folk - reality check.
I haven't come across anyone from Mayo yet saying anything unrealistic in the past few weeks about our a game against Kerry. At the end of the day it's a 50-50 chance between these two teams. If each player gives everything they have then anyone can win.
C'MON THE GREEN AND RED!!!!!!!!!
I dont agree that its 50:50 at all. Pick the best gaelic football team in Ireland at the moment and there will be 4 forwards from Kerry. Aside from Trevor Mort and Keith Higgins, I am not confident that any of the other backs can win their direct duals
blast05 - I am inclined to agree with you. Mayo are underdogs and rightly so. However an underdog is still a dog and thats the approach Mayo have to adopt on Sunday - dog them and hound them whever they go! Otherwise the long journey home could be a real bitch ;D
Quote from: southsidejohnny on August 19, 2011, 06:27:32 PM
Like a ghost hanging around a foggy lake Sligonian reappears. Gone from Hogan Stand due to his own turning on him, he clanks around Gaaboard.com rattling his tin of misery and hate towards his betters in Connacht. Why wouldn't he hate Mayo..and Galway and Roscommon and Leitrim. They are all better than his own sad county. I recently saw on another post they have yet to win a Connacht U21 title. Like farmer2 old Sligonian looks across Killala bay through green tinted glasses. Be gone bitter lad and take your misery with you boy. Away with you to the lake Isle of Innisfree where ...ah you know yourself...a thingy majig of clay and wattles made.
Well if I never saw a truer case of the pot calling the little black! :o
Mayo posters have a short memory.
That's ironic, hypocritical and pathetic coming from a so called Mayo supporter like yourself. Are u still calling for Dillon and Andy Horans head? I am even more surprised to see you have the nerve to post again with the same handle after the rubbish and criticism you went on about Mayo football only weeks ago.
I wouldn't bring it up but it was so far off the mark, hurtful and overboard I can't let it go.
Yourself and sligonian should find a rock to crawl back under. But I suppose you will stay on the bandwagon like a few others that stuck the boot in when things were bad.
Quote from: southsidejohnny on June 28, 2011, 12:49:32 PM
I agree Dillon and Moran were poor on Sunday, still the press gave Moran man of the match. I actually believe Mayo can kick on provided they drop those two. They bring nothing to the picnic. Free taking is abysmal. Anyway I know that Horan wont drop them and I know that the end is nigh.
Quote from: southsidejohnny on June 24, 2011, 01:48:23 PM
The day we start to move into the real world and stop fooling ourselves is the day we rise from our ever bended knee. I will always support the team and county. I will never ever paper over the utter and dire set up that currently passes for football in the county. From 1993-2005 we had teams in Croke park from the clubs every second year. Since then what? Time we woke up and saw where we are. Admitting the truth is the first step to recovery.
Quote from: southsidejohnny on June 24, 2011, 01:37:16 PM
Abbeysider...
Truly we have sunk and next Sunday will confirm the drop. Back door will nail it home.
Quote from: blast05 on August 19, 2011, 11:39:58 PM
Quote from: Sam2011 on August 19, 2011, 11:31:55 PM
Quote from: blast05 on August 19, 2011, 11:18:04 PM
QuoteI must say the Mayo crowd do pre-game hubris like no other...go from "we haven't a hope" to "We'll deshtroy the f*ckers" in the blink of an eye!
As insightful a comment as is on this thread. It pains me to fully agree with it. In the space of a week we've gone from trying to be clever and make out that we're underdogs to banging the chest and saying we are going to win (broad sweeping brush being applied here).
By any level of analysis there is no way Mayo could be considered as anything other than long odds outsiders.... and yet the process continues. It will continue tomorrow night as the Mayo masses start gathering in various Dublin watering holes and by the time a few pints are had before the match on Sunday we will have ourselves convinced that victory is the only possible outcome.
I've been here too often and I'm afraid, very afraid. I passionately hope that I am wrong but I just cant see our much talked-up defence having a hope of handling the Kerry forwards and even if we clean them out at midfield 70:30 (a novice midfield pairing are going to wipe the floor against Kerry on the back of 1 performance ...requires a stretch of imagination to put it mildly) then still not good enough.
Typing from my phone too much of a pain to say more .... but come on fellow Mayo folk - reality check.
I haven't come across anyone from Mayo yet saying anything unrealistic in the past few weeks about our a game against Kerry. At the end of the day it's a 50-50 chance between these two teams. If each player gives everything they have then anyone can win.
C'MON THE GREEN AND RED!!!!!!!!!
I dont agree that its 50:50 at all. Pick the best gaelic football team in Ireland at the moment and there will be 4 forwards from Kerry. Aside from Trevor Mort and Keith Higgins, I am not confident that any of the other backs can win their direct duals
I really believe this game is 50-50 no matter what anyone says. I believe if you give everything you have in your body anything can happen. Maybe that is because I am a positive person and you maybe more negative than me. No question about it Kerry have the best forwards in the country. I think the O'Shea lads will put in a performance like they done against Cork so that will take the pressure off our backs. Trevor Mort and Keith Higgins are the only players we know anything about because they have been around a few years so I don't think you can judge the rest of the lads in their first year, give them and chance first. For some lads it takes a few years to hit your form e.g Darran O'Sullivan. Saying that though I do think they are very good and not overrated after all they did hold Cork to a point in the second half as well as other teams which will give them confidence. That is my opinion. Agree if you want won't bother me or the team at the end of the day.
C'MON THE GREEN AND RED!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: blast05 on August 19, 2011, 11:39:58 PM
Quote from: Sam2011 on August 19, 2011, 11:31:55 PM
Quote from: blast05 on August 19, 2011, 11:18:04 PM
QuoteI must say the Mayo crowd do pre-game hubris like no other...go from "we haven't a hope" to "We'll deshtroy the f*ckers" in the blink of an eye!
As insightful a comment as is on this thread. It pains me to fully agree with it. In the space of a week we've gone from trying to be clever and make out that we're underdogs to banging the chest and saying we are going to win (broad sweeping brush being applied here).
By any level of analysis there is no way Mayo could be considered as anything other than long odds outsiders.... and yet the process continues. It will continue tomorrow night as the Mayo masses start gathering in various Dublin watering holes and by the time a few pints are had before the match on Sunday we will have ourselves convinced that victory is the only possible outcome.
I've been here too often and I'm afraid, very afraid. I passionately hope that I am wrong but I just cant see our much talked-up defence having a hope of handling the Kerry forwards and even if we clean them out at midfield 70:30 (a novice midfield pairing are going to wipe the floor against Kerry on the back of 1 performance ...requires a stretch of imagination to put it mildly) then still not good enough.
Typing from my phone too much of a pain to say more .... but come on fellow Mayo folk - reality check.
I haven't come across anyone from Mayo yet saying anything unrealistic in the past few weeks about our a game against Kerry. At the end of the day it's a 50-50 chance between these two teams. If each player gives everything they have then anyone can win.
C'MON THE GREEN AND RED!!!!!!!!!
I dont agree that its 50:50 at all. Pick the best gaelic football team in Ireland at the moment and there will be 4 forwards from Kerry. Aside from Trevor Mort and Keith Higgins, I am not confident that any of the other backs can win their direct duals
I can t remember any Mayo poster saying that ' we ll destroy the f**kers' or even close to that. If there are fans about that are saying that - and there s always a few - then they know nothing. Who heeds them?
On the ground most people are just hopeful at best. Our local Kerrymen, domiciled for 20-30 years are confident of a 7-8 point win and nobody is putting up too much of row with them.
I dont think Mayo fans think we are going to win. I would suggest we think we can/might/could win, rather than will/shall/must/have to win. The kerryman is in the shall zone for obvious and understandable reasons.
Damn it Blast, what are we supposed to do. Hide and not support the team. Not bother going, not hoping, not drinkin, talking or dreaming we could win? There s no use getting to this stage if we cant enjoy it without feeling guilty. We re in the last 4 against the alpha team in the games history. There nearly 30 counties would love to have a team in an AI final and if they had they would be thinking they could win I m sure. I agree though that it is not a 50:50 game. A 70:30 maybe. But that s not too bad and coming from where we were a year ago its like having one of Willie Wonka s golden wrappers. There s a decent chance there. Rather than being apprehensive it sure as hell beats last 4 years. Best Summer since 06.
Quote from: moysider on August 20, 2011, 12:29:10 AM
Rather than being apprehensive it sure as hell beats last 4 years. Best Summer since 06.
+1 - The team have given us a great year, whatever happens on Sunday. Personally I'm just hoping they really charge at Kerry, really give them a good rattle. F*ck it, nothing to lose. Leave everything they have on the field and see what happens.
Mayo have been playing at this level for years & years law of averages they are due another championship win over Kerry, lessons are sure to be learned from the 04,06 games & for the like's Higgins,McGarrity,Moran & Dillon this is a game to banish the bad memories somewhat.
For what it's worth i think Kerry will win this by a point or two but with odds of 4/1 still with some bookies i might have a few euros on my Connacht neighbours.
Quote from: blast05 on August 19, 2011, 11:18:04 PM
QuoteI must say the Mayo crowd do pre-game hubris like no other...go from "we haven't a hope" to "We'll deshtroy the f*ckers" in the blink of an eye!
As insightful a comment as is on this thread. It pains me to fully agree with it. In the space of a week we've gone from trying to be clever and make out that we're underdogs to banging the chest and saying we are going to win (broad sweeping brush being applied here).
By any level of analysis there is no way Mayo could be considered as anything other than long odds outsiders.... and yet the process continues. It will continue tomorrow night as the Mayo masses start gathering in various Dublin watering holes and by the time a few pints are had before the match on Sunday we will have ourselves convinced that victory is the only possible outcome.
I've been here too often and I'm afraid, very afraid. I passionately hope that I am wrong but I just cant see our much talked-up defence having a hope of handling the Kerry forwards and even if we clean them out at midfield 70:30 (a novice midfield pairing are going to wipe the floor against Kerry on the back of 1 performance ...requires a stretch of imagination to put it mildly) then still not good enough.
Typing from my phone too much of a pain to say more .... but come on fellow Mayo folk - reality check.
I can't any sign of Mayo fans going over the top in any sense; either here or anywhere else.
This is being said alright but it's coming from interlopers who keep sniping away and telling us: A) We're shite; B)We haven't a hope; C) We're mighty braggers: D) If the Kerry forwards click, we'll find ourselves driven back to the Ridge Pool and E) We're sh.... Ah, feck it, I've said that before, haven't I?
I am nor paranoid by any stretch of the imagination but I'll tell ye this; the f**kers are out to get us!
Sure, we know we're ballixed before a ball is kicked but so what?
Anyway, aren't we cursed by a priest so what's the point in hoping for anything except maybe no more than a ten point hiding- if we're lucky?
I was kinda half listening to an RTE podscast today when Paddy Prendergast said we were indeed and it could well be true. So all we can do is enjoy the day out and take our batin' like stout-hearted men from the County Mayo. We should be well-used to it by now, so we should.
"What's Another Year" and all that.
Ya know what?
Paddy's priest wasn't the only one to put a Jinx(y) on us; didn't the Reverend Rector of me own College do the same thing; so the fecker did.
When he heard that some of his least favourite Leaving Cert class were going to Castlebar for a trial for the minors, he strode into the room; told us to put the teacher down and sez he: " None of ye could kick shite off a rope even if ye stuck at it 'til Christmas. Y'know, as long as any of you laitchekoes think ye know anything about football, Mayo won't win a donkey derby."
I was going to ask him of an All Ireland was out of the question but, as he had a duster in his crubeen at the time and I knew from experience that he could move faster than I could, I kept me gob shut for once.
So there ye have it; Mayo haven't got a snowball's chance tomorrow.
(Mind you, if I could have kicked the shite outa him, I have taken me chances about an All Ireland.)
But Lar, he had a fair point about not being able to kick shite off a rope?
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 20, 2011, 02:23:40 AM
But Lar, he had a fair point about not being able to kick shite off a rope?
Yes, but he was talking about Knockmore.
jaysus..lads are "sick of" kerry...more lads are pumped up, other lads are pessimistic, another Mayo lad is lashing out at a Sligo man and then another Mayo lad is having a pop at him. Its a meltdown !
Mayo fan at beginning of AI semi week
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Mayo fan at end of AI semi week
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:D aye and it's you that caused it. any mayo supporter i know is more hopefully than anything else haven't seen many going around banging their chests saying we are going to win, for fcuk sake it's kerry we are playing but these are the days you have to enjoy and no matter what the result its progress on the last 3 years.
Let's hope the game tomorrow surpasses the standard of the pre-match debate.
Mayo unchanged but there must be a few that are touch and go and I wouldnt be surprised to see a change or two from the published team. Kerry are holding Galvin back in reserve but I hear that he took full part in the training session in Killarney the other evening so he will certainly come off the bench at some point. I hope Mayo can keep with Kerry for the first half and the we will see where we really stand in the pecking order. It will either be a year too soon for the Mayo lads or a year too late for the Kerrymen.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 20, 2011, 07:35:25 AM
jaysus..lads are "sick of" kerry...more lads are pumped up, other lads are pessimistic, another Mayo lad is lashing out at a Sligo man and then another Mayo lad is having a pop at him. Its a meltdown !
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Thanks a million, Mike.
This arrived by carrier pigeon this morning.
I was afraid you were still sulking but fair play to ye; ye're a good
goat sport.
While I'm still in good humour, why don't you go back to thread ye started, so we can discuss yer neuroses,like I offered to do.
My thoughts
http://shane-sportsramblings.blogspot.com/2011/08/kerry-to-end-mayos-dream.html (http://shane-sportsramblings.blogspot.com/2011/08/kerry-to-end-mayos-dream.html)
I'd actually agree with what McHale said in the paper today.
Put Aidan O'Shea full forward and bring McGarrity into midfield.
It's vital Mayo get a good start and I think O'Shea could make a real nuisance of himself on the edge of the square.
O'Shea has been tried in FF and it didn't work. To change that now would be to completely change our game which wouldn't be good. Also I figure McG may not be fully fit for 70mins at the intensity that we are aiming for.
Horan's done well so far and I think he's pretty much right to have an unchanged team (only possible change would be Doherty for Varley)
Haven't read much of this thread, but my own thoughts are that it's Mayo's best chance in a long time to beat Kerry in a do or die game. A few months ago I posted something along the lines of - why are Kerry part of big 2? these past couple of years there's been constant talk of a team at the end of their cycle, talk of transition etc... I dont think they've improved their team in any shape or form over the last year or so, indeed they would be significantly weaker IMO, a very ordinary MF and a defence that hasn't covered itself in glory, they are still very strong up front and that (and the sight of the Kerry jersey) might be enough to get them past Mayo. Before the Dublin v Tyrone game I would have said Kerry were more likely to get the tanking Tyrone got if they had've met a half decent team in the Q/F's, the Tyrone game will have knocked any complacency out of them and refocused their minds. I really dont think they are the team they were, but they may still have enough for Mayo. I'd love to see a Dublin v Kerry final - I really think the Dubs could give them a Tyrone type hiding if they click again (but I reckon Donegal will still have a big say).
I think Kerry will try to bitz Mayo in the first 20 minutes, if we can withstand that then we have a chance.
Word from Kerry is that both Enright & Galvin are fit - apparently Galvin's not going so well in training and was dropped on the back of tha. He'll have a point to prove when he comes on......
Great video of John Treacy, had never seen that before.
Quote from: bennydorano on August 20, 2011, 12:27:41 PM
Haven't read much of this thread, but my own thoughts are that it's Mayo's best chance in a long time to beat Kerry in a do or die game. A few months ago I posted something along the lines of - why are Kerry part of big 2? these past couple of years there's been constant talk of a team at the end of their cycle, talk of transition etc... I dont think they've improved their team in any shape or form over the last year or so, indeed they would be significantly weaker IMO, a very ordinary MF and a defence that hasn't covered itself in glory, they are still very strong up front and that (and the sight of the Kerry jersey) might be enough to get them past Mayo. Before the Dublin v Tyrone game I would have said Kerry were more likely to get the tanking Tyrone got if they had've met a half decent team in the Q/F's, the Tyrone game will have knocked any complacency out of them and refocused their minds. I really dont think they are the team they were, but they may still have enough for Mayo. I'd love to see a Dublin v Kerry final - I really think the Dubs could give them a Tyrone type hiding if they click again (but I reckon Donegal will still have a big say).
Seen enough of those already. Apart from '76 they were huge disappointments on a par with Mayo-Kerry finals. In 06, in the expectation of another Dublin-Kerry Humphries published his book about the 'rivalry' between the two teams. That was funny.
Newstalk coming from Rouses Pub in Ballina at the moment
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Quote from: oneoftheseyears on August 20, 2011, 03:08:05 PM
Newstalk coming from Rouses Pub in Ballina at the moment
Goodman.
A day to go now and am getting jittery. I really hope the lads reproduce our performance against Cork plus 10-20% more for the full 70. If they do that, we'll be in with a very good chance. If not, Kerry will win. Simple as, no ifs, buts or maybes. I wouldn't be as pessimistic as Blast05, but still think we need to dominate possesion by at least 60/40 to win, even at that Kerry could still put up a decent score with 40% possesion. Heart saying Mayo, head saying Kerry to probably edge it. Saying that, I'm alot more optimistic going into tomorrow than I was going into the Cork match.
Jack O'Connor didn't seem to worried on the GAA show about Mayo, with him mixing his tea.
Whereas Donal Vaughan and James Horan seemed like two men on a mission. Just what we want to see. :)
Delighted to see Trevor Mort starting. Hope he is 100% fit though if he is to be marking Darran O'Sullivan or any Kerry forward.
Really excited now for the game. Five years is a long time to be waiting for a semi-final! I think us Mayo people are allowed to enjoy it and so what if people get carried away, who gives two flying f**ks, i don''t anyway! We've been starved the last few years!
The closer we get to the game the more i'm thinking the lads will pull it off on the day but, with our young speedy forwards, the two tanks in midfield, our mean defence and our second half record why the f**k not! Saying that, I do think it will be a tight squeeze in the end. Anyway whatever the result is on the day I will leave Croker proud to be from Mayo! These lads have a good future ahead of them and they are all very talented.
C'MON THE GREEN AND RED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My neighbour reckons it'd be better to lose this one than lose a final. Honestly I don't know how we'll evre achieve anything at that rate. Some buck said the same thing after losing to Longford last year! ???
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 20, 2011, 04:31:12 PM
My neighbour reckons it'd be better to lose this one than lose a final. Honestly I don't know how we'll evre achieve anything at that rate. Some buck said the same thing after losing to Longford last year! ???
Arra, tell your neighbour to go milk a bull or anything at all that'll stop him fretting about tomorrow. If he's been moaning like that since Longford, it's time he took a break.
Did ye tell him that our man in charge tomorrow had no problems with Kerry when he came up against them in an AI semi?
Tell that hoor that there are nearly thirty counties that would love to be in our shoes tomorrow.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 20, 2011, 05:34:17 PM
there are nearly thirty counties that would love to be in our shoes tomorrow.
Or quaking in your boots!
Its not an arrogance of Kerry's that they expect to win tomorrow, its a confidence achieved through certainty as to their preparation and ability, as well as previous success. This is how the supporters feel and this reflects on the team too.
The constant switching between
I think we can do it to
I hope we can do it to
holding it to 4 would be progress to
I hope we don't get tanked is amazing to behold. I posted before the Cork match that Mayo often seek to make a pigs ear out of a silk purse - my point then being that as provincial champions they should have some confidence. Is it beyond the bounds of possibility that the conflicted views of the supporters could reflect, even influence, the team's views.
Kerry by 4, and hopefully by 5 to cover the bookies spread.
So the flags are flying and plenty of normally indifferent people are getting excited again. I only barely managed to get a ticket for one of the trains up to Dublin tomorrow. But where the hell was everyone else when there was maybe 2000 of us on the pitch in the Hyde just over a month ago? Or when I was looking around a 70% empty Croke Park on the last day of July? Or in Longford last year? Sometimes I wish the bandwagoners would just shag off and leave the dedicated supporters to get on with it, I'm not sure they add anything at all other than crowd trains and take tickets away from genuine fans. But the feckers will be in Croke Park in force tomorrow with their expert opinions on Mayo football ready to tell everyone where we went wrong on the line if we lose as if the players and management somehow owe it to them for turning up once or twice every five years or so.
Anyway, beyond that admittedly pointless rant that I felt the need to get off my chest, all I want is for the lads to go out tomorrow and give it every last ounce of energy they've got - I know we'll get that from them. It's a lot to expect this team to come from where we were this time last year and go and beat Cork and Kerry back to back in Croke Park. Rome wasn't built in a day and it doesn't need to be, this is a young Mayo team with a fair few good years in front of them now. We really do need to avoid a trimming tomorrow, that is the only outcome that could do serious damage to this squad. Hopefully we will get the win but if we don't I just hope the team will be left to build on the progress this year which should be seen as a success regardless given the mess we have emerged from to get to this stage.
In terms of the selection I'm happy enough with the same 15 going out again, would have liked to see Doherty start but then its good to have something left in reserve to call on in the second half and I think he has something big in him, although we may not see it this year. In terms of the Kerry forward line, it think its more about how we set up rather than the individuals we pick. If I see Alan Freeman mopping up ball in the full back line again and Keith Higgins bombing forward on the break then I'll know we're doing something right. As can probably be seen from this post I have a feeling this might be a step too far too soon for this team but I think we can do ourselves proud and at least let Kerry know they will have earned their All-Ireland Final place if they win.
MaigheoAbu
That rant of yours is exactly what's been doing the rounds in my own head as well Cosmo Kramer. Now I never bring flags of any kind to games with me (apart from AIs) but the load of shagging flags that's flying from all the car windows for the past three weeks, you'd swear this was a final by the way everyone's lepping on the bandwagon. And as for them going to club games saying such and such is probably better than him, well let's not go there!
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on August 20, 2011, 06:03:58 PM
So the flags are flying and plenty of normally indifferent people are getting excited again. I only barely managed to get a ticket for one of the trains up to Dublin tomorrow. But where the hell was everyone else when there was maybe 2000 of us on the pitch in the Hyde just over a month ago? Or when I was looking around a 70% empty Croke Park on the last day of July? Or in Longford last year? Sometimes I wish the bandwagoners would just shag off and leave the dedicated supporters to get on with it, I'm not sure they add anything at all other than crowd trains and take tickets away from genuine fans. But the feckers will be in Croke Park in force tomorrow with their expert opinions on Mayo football ready to tell everyone where we went wrong on the line if we lose as if the players and management somehow owe it to them for turning up once or twice every five years or so.
Anyway, beyond that admittedly pointless rant that I felt the need to get off my chest, all I want is for the lads to go out tomorrow and give it every last ounce of energy they've got - I know we'll get that from them. It's a lot to expect this team to come from where we were this time last year and go and beat Cork and Kerry back to back in Croke Park. Rome wasn't built in a day and it doesn't need to be, this is a young Mayo team with a fair few good years in front of them now. We really do need to avoid a trimming tomorrow, that is the only outcome that could do serious damage to this squad. Hopefully we will get the win but if we don't I just hope the team will be left to build on the progress this year which should be seen as a success regardless given the mess we have emerged from to get to this stage.
In terms of the selection I'm happy enough with the same 15 going out again, would have liked to see Doherty start but then its good to have something left in reserve to call on in the second half and I think he has something big in him, although we may not see it this year. In terms of the Kerry forward line, it think its more about how we set up rather than the individuals we pick. If I see Alan Freeman mopping up ball in the full back line again and Keith Higgins bombing forward on the break then I'll know we're doing something right. As can probably be seen from this post I have a feeling this might be a step too far too soon for this team but I think we can do ourselves proud and at least let Kerry know they will have earned their All-Ireland Final place if they win.
MaigheoAbu
Post of the year!
Quote from: southsidejohnny on August 19, 2011, 06:27:32 PM
Like a ghost hanging around a foggy lake Sligonian reappears. Gone from Hogan Stand due to his own turning on him, he clanks around Gaaboard.com rattling his tin of misery and hate towards his betters in Connacht. Why wouldn't he hate Mayo..and Galway and Roscommon and Leitrim. They are all better than his own sad county. I recently saw on another post they have yet to win a Connacht U21 title. Like farmer2 old Sligonian looks across Killala bay through green tinted glasses. Be gone bitter lad and take your misery with you boy. Away with you to the lake Isle of Innisfree where ...ah you know yourself...a thingy majig of clay and wattles made.
You must of missed the come back Sligonian thread on Hoganstand :D
Id take the Isle of Innisfree over the bogs of mayo anyday 8) Sligo is very far from a sad county, as Yeats called Sligo the Land of Hearts Desire...
I agree with you Sligo is a beautiful County.... but you?...... Maybe you would be better off commenting on Home and Away... Or Cricket or the Meaning of Life. I dont know ..... How about Big Brother??? Or maybe...... 8)
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 20, 2011, 04:31:12 PM
My neighbour reckons it'd be better to lose this one than lose a final. Honestly I don't know how we'll evre achieve anything at that rate. Some buck said the same thing after losing to Longford last year! ???
Your neighbours are wrong its better to be slaughtered in Provincial than getting knocked out after a first round + first round qualifier, better to be knocked out after a Semi than a Quarter or a Final than a Semi no matter the difference. Thats the truth.
Quote from: Frank Casey on August 20, 2011, 05:53:08 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 20, 2011, 05:34:17 PM
there are nearly thirty counties that would love to be in our shoes tomorrow.
Or quaking in your boots!
Its not an arrogance of Kerry's that they expect to win tomorrow, its a confidence achieved through certainty as to their preparation and ability, as well as previous success. This is how the supporters feel and this reflects on the team too.
The constant switching between I think we can do it to I hope we can do it to holding it to 4 would be progress to I hope we don't get tanked is amazing to behold. I posted before the Cork match that Mayo often seek to make a pigs ear out of a silk purse - my point then being that as provincial champions they should have some confidence. Is it beyond the bounds of possibility that the conflicted views of the supporters could reflect, even influence, the team's views.
Kerry by 4, and hopefully by 5 to cover the bookies spread.
If it was down to swet put in by Mayo fans and Kerry fans, it would be Mayo by 15, don't talk shite and don't take credit for your team. Its Mayo V Kerry not Mayo fans V Kerry fans. Now on the teams, the current Kerry team of 2011 has done nothing that the Mayo team of 2011 hasn't done. So Mayo and her fans have as much right to be confident.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on August 20, 2011, 08:27:01 PM
Quote from: southsidejohnny on August 19, 2011, 06:27:32 PM
Like a ghost hanging around a foggy lake Sligonian reappears. Gone from Hogan Stand due to his own turning on him, he clanks around Gaaboard.com rattling his tin of misery and hate towards his betters in Connacht. Why wouldn't he hate Mayo..and Galway and Roscommon and Leitrim. They are all better than his own sad county. I recently saw on another post they have yet to win a Connacht U21 title. Like farmer2 old Sligonian looks across Killala bay through green tinted glasses. Be gone bitter lad and take your misery with you boy. Away with you to the lake Isle of Innisfree where ...ah you know yourself...a thingy majig of clay and wattles made.
You must of missed the come back Sligonian thread on Hoganstand :D
Id take the Isle of Innisfree over the bogs of mayo anyday 8) Sligo is very far from a sad county, as Yeats called Sligo the Land of Hearts Desire...
Mayo has got Bogs, yes we do, ones the size of County Laois, and that's just in one corner, we have the highest Cliffs in the European Union, we have the biggest Island in Ireland, we have the Drumlin Belt, we have the highest mountain in Connacht – Mweelrea, the second highest Neiphin, the third highest Croagh Patrick, we have Ireland's highest visitor attraction Knock, we have an International Airport, we have small lakes like Bilberry and Lannagh, we have grand lakes like Cullin, Mask, Carra and Conn, we have beautiful grand Castles like Ashford, Gaelic fortresses like Rockfleet, 13 Blue Flag Beaches, tourist Meccas like Westport, Newport and Lousiburg, Abbey's like Cong and Ballintubber, Plains of Mayo, Stone Walls and Grass is Green, Clew Bay, Killala Bay, Blacksod Bay, Ireland's only Fjiord in Killery, Natural Gass, Gold Reserves, An Taoiseach, a recent President, 3 All-Irelands, 11 League Titles, 43 Connacht titles, many national and Connacht club, U-21, minor, ladies and junior titles, the f**ker off X-factor who you are probably watching, We beat Galway out the gate in hurling – even if it was 100 years ago, Ireland longest coast, the Island mountain of Clare, the third biggest county, the third most GAA clubs, the best spot for future electricity generation from wind and sea power, the finest fucken people in Ireland, the finest fucken county in Ireland, so take it Sligoboy and jog on.
And we have some of the finest gobshites in the country
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 20, 2011, 09:20:22 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on August 20, 2011, 08:27:01 PM
Quote from: southsidejohnny on August 19, 2011, 06:27:32 PM
Like a ghost hanging around a foggy lake Sligonian reappears. Gone from Hogan Stand due to his own turning on him, he clanks around Gaaboard.com rattling his tin of misery and hate towards his betters in Connacht. Why wouldn't he hate Mayo..and Galway and Roscommon and Leitrim. They are all better than his own sad county. I recently saw on another post they have yet to win a Connacht U21 title. Like farmer2 old Sligonian looks across Killala bay through green tinted glasses. Be gone bitter lad and take your misery with you boy. Away with you to the lake Isle of Innisfree where ...ah you know yourself...a thingy majig of clay and wattles made.
You must of missed the come back Sligonian thread on Hoganstand :D
Id take the Isle of Innisfree over the bogs of mayo anyday 8) Sligo is very far from a sad county, as Yeats called Sligo the Land of Hearts Desire...
Mayo has got Bogs, yes we do, ones the size of County Laois, and that's just in one corner, we have the highest Cliffs in the European Union, we have the biggest Island in Ireland, we have the Drumlin Belt, we have the highest mountain in Connacht – Mweelrea, the second highest Neiphin, the third highest Croagh Patrick, we have Ireland's highest visitor attraction Knock, we have an International Airport, we have small lakes like Bilberry and Lannagh, we have grand lakes like Cullin, Mask, Carra and Conn, we have beautiful grand Castles like Ashford, Gaelic fortresses like Rockfleet, 13 Blue Flag Beaches, tourist Meccas like Westport, Newport and Lousiburg, Abbey's like Cong and Ballintubber, Plains of Mayo, Stone Walls and Grass is Green, Clew Bay, Killala Bay, Blacksod Bay, Ireland's only Fjiord in Killery, Natural Gass, Gold Reserves, An Taoiseach, a recent President, 3 All-Irelands, 11 League Titles, 43 Connacht titles, many national and Connacht club, U-21, minor, ladies and junior titles, the f**ker off X-factor who you are probably watching, We beat Galway out the gate in hurling – even if it was 100 years ago, Ireland longest coast, the Island mountain of Clare, the third biggest county, the third most GAA clubs, the best spot for future electricity generation from wind and sea power, the finest fucken people in Ireland, the finest fucken county in Ireland, so take it Sligoboy and jog on.
:D
(http://www.old-picture.com/old-west/pictures/Gold-Panning.jpg)
2000 mayo fans on the hyde park pitch a month ago.. really?
Quote from: ludermor on August 20, 2011, 09:32:02 PM
And we have some of the finest gobshites in the country
Pretty petty if ya want to carry political arguments into the football section.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 20, 2011, 09:32:14 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 20, 2011, 09:20:22 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on August 20, 2011, 08:27:01 PM
Quote from: southsidejohnny on August 19, 2011, 06:27:32 PM
Like a ghost hanging around a foggy lake Sligonian reappears. Gone from Hogan Stand due to his own turning on him, he clanks around Gaaboard.com rattling his tin of misery and hate towards his betters in Connacht. Why wouldn't he hate Mayo..and Galway and Roscommon and Leitrim. They are all better than his own sad county. I recently saw on another post they have yet to win a Connacht U21 title. Like farmer2 old Sligonian looks across Killala bay through green tinted glasses. Be gone bitter lad and take your misery with you boy. Away with you to the lake Isle of Innisfree where ...ah you know yourself...a thingy majig of clay and wattles made.
You must of missed the come back Sligonian thread on Hoganstand :D
Id take the Isle of Innisfree over the bogs of mayo anyday 8) Sligo is very far from a sad county, as Yeats called Sligo the Land of Hearts Desire...
Mayo has got Bogs, yes we do, ones the size of County Laois, and that's just in one corner, we have the highest Cliffs in the European Union, we have the biggest Island in Ireland, we have the Drumlin Belt, we have the highest mountain in Connacht – Mweelrea, the second highest Neiphin, the third highest Croagh Patrick, we have Ireland's highest visitor attraction Knock, we have an International Airport, we have small lakes like Bilberry and Lannagh, we have grand lakes like Cullin, Mask, Carra and Conn, we have beautiful grand Castles like Ashford, Gaelic fortresses like Rockfleet, 13 Blue Flag Beaches, tourist Meccas like Westport, Newport and Lousiburg, Abbey's like Cong and Ballintubber, Plains of Mayo, Stone Walls and Grass is Green, Clew Bay, Killala Bay, Blacksod Bay, Ireland's only Fjiord in Killery, Natural Gass, Gold Reserves, An Taoiseach, a recent President, 3 All-Irelands, 11 League Titles, 43 Connacht titles, many national and Connacht club, U-21, minor, ladies and junior titles, the f**ker off X-factor who you are probably watching, We beat Galway out the gate in hurling – even if it was 100 years ago, Ireland longest coast, the Island mountain of Clare, the third biggest county, the third most GAA clubs, the best spot for future electricity generation from wind and sea power, the finest fucken people in Ireland, the finest fucken county in Ireland, so take it Sligoboy and jog on.
:D
(http://www.old-picture.com/old-west/pictures/Gold-Panning.jpg)
Goodman Jinxy :D
The only thing that matters is tomorrows match. There ll be time enough for fighting with Sligonian before the FBD recommences for anybody that needs to.
I presume there ll be tickets about tomorrow. I don t have one but driving up in the morning. God only knows what will happen on the day. Nothing would surprise me.
Quote from: moysider on August 20, 2011, 10:12:10 PM
The only thing that matters is tomorrows match. There ll be time enough for fighting with Sligonian before the FBD recommences for anybody that needs to.
I presume there ll be tickets about tomorrow. I don t have one but driving up in the morning. God only knows what will happen on the day. Nothing would surprise me.
Sligonian isn't the worst despite my relpy, Mayo is my achilles heel and fckn won't hear bad about it. Cannot understand his views towards his provincemen and women. Well all the best to Mayo and Roscommon tomorrow. Cúige Chonnacht abú.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 20, 2011, 09:52:48 PM
Quote from: ludermor on August 20, 2011, 09:32:02 PM
And we have some of the finest gobshites in the country
Pretty petty if ya want to carry political arguments into the football section.
who said any
thing about politics? I should edit my post to say we have some of the finest stupid gobshites in the country.
Quote from: ludermor on August 20, 2011, 10:23:31 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 20, 2011, 09:52:48 PM
Quote from: ludermor on August 20, 2011, 09:32:02 PM
And we have some of the finest gobshites in the country
Pretty petty if ya want to carry political arguments into the football section.
who said any
thing about politics? I should edit my post to say we have some of the finest stupid gobshites in the country.
Sound, all together for the football at least ;)
Post of the year.... Nominated by someone with just 14 posts, most of those on the subject of the naming of the Mayo team that he never even named.
Post of the f**king century.
Arra vs Yerra.
Who will prevail?
Its always been the team that scores most for some strange reason
Quote from: Jinxy on August 20, 2011, 10:55:18 PM
Arra vs Yerra.
Who will prevail?
Musha, tis hard to tell.
I should be in bed by now for the early start tomorrow but I don't think I'll be able to sleep with Excitement! The Green and Red of Mayo is blaring out the speaker as I type this! Covered in goosebumps listening to it! Those Saw Doctors are some men! The adrenaline has already started pumping around the body at a nice pace! I've been to mass and said the prayer for the lads! There will be some roar when the boys in green and red run out onto the pitch! All we can do now is wait for the ball to be thrown in and cheer on the lads!
Best of luck to both teams and let the best team win on the day!
But....................................
C'MON THE GREEN AND RED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 20, 2011, 09:20:22 PM
Mayo has got Bogs, yes we do, ones the size of County Laois, and that's just in one corner, we have the highest Cliffs in the European Union, we have the biggest Island in Ireland, we have the Drumlin Belt, we have the highest mountain in Connacht – Mweelrea, the second highest Neiphin, the third highest Croagh Patrick, we have Ireland's highest visitor attraction Knock, we have an International Airport, we have small lakes like Bilberry and Lannagh, we have grand lakes like Cullin, Mask, Carra and Conn, we have beautiful grand Castles like Ashford, Gaelic fortresses like Rockfleet, 13 Blue Flag Beaches, tourist Meccas like Westport, Newport and Lousiburg, Abbey's like Cong and Ballintubber, Plains of Mayo, Stone Walls and Grass is Green, Clew Bay, Killala Bay, Blacksod Bay, Ireland's only Fjiord in Killery, Natural Gass, Gold Reserves, An Taoiseach, a recent President, 3 All-Irelands, 11 League Titles, 43 Connacht titles, many national and Connacht club, U-21, minor, ladies and junior titles, the f**ker off X-factor who you are probably watching, We beat Galway out the gate in hurling – even if it was 100 years ago, Ireland longest coast, the Island mountain of Clare, the third biggest county, the third most GAA clubs, the best spot for future electricity generation from wind and sea power, the finest fucken people in Ireland, the finest fucken county in Ireland, so take it Sligoboy and jog on.
Kerry has one more hurling All Ireland than Mayo.
Mayo has got Bogs, yes we do, ones the size of County Laois, and that's just in one corner, we have the highest Cliffs in the European Union, we have the biggest Island in Ireland, we have the Drumlin Belt, we have the highest mountain in Connacht – Mweelrea, the second highest Neiphin, the third highest Croagh Patrick, we have Ireland's highest visitor attraction Knock, we have an International Airport, we have small lakes like Bilberry and Lannagh, we have grand lakes like Cullin, Mask, Carra and Conn, we have beautiful grand Castles like Ashford, Gaelic fortresses like Rockfleet, 13 Blue Flag Beaches, tourist Meccas like Westport, Newport and Lousiburg, Abbey's like Cong and Ballintubber, Plains of Mayo, Stone Walls and Grass is Green, Clew Bay, Killala Bay, Blacksod Bay, Ireland's only Fjiord in Killery, Natural Gass, Gold Reserves, An Taoiseach, a recent President, 3 All-Irelands, 11 League Titles, 43 Connacht titles, many national and Connacht club, U-21, minor, ladies and junior titles, the f**ker off X-factor who you are probably watching, We beat Galway out the gate in hurling – even if it was 100 years ago, Ireland longest coast, the Island mountain of Clare, the third biggest county, the third most GAA clubs, the best spot for future electricity generation from wind and sea power, the finest fucken people in Ireland, the finest fucken county in Ireland, so take it Sligoboy and jog on.
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Very nice post! From Mayo and Proud!
C'MON THE GREEN AND RED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
P.S Safe journey lads. Really need to go to bed now or else i won't be able to cheer on the lads I'll be so tired!
C'MON THE GREEN AND RED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Sam2011 on August 20, 2011, 11:22:18 PM
I should be in bed by now for the early start tomorrow but I don't think I'll be able to sleep with Excitement! The Green and Red of Mayo is blaring out the speaker as I type this! Covered in goosebumps listening to it! Those Saw Doctors are some men! The adrenaline has already started pumping around the body at a nice pace! I've been to mass and said the prayer for the lads! There will be some roar when the boys in green and red run out onto the pitch! All we can do now is wait for the ball to be thrown in and cheer on the lads!
Best of luck to both teams and let the best team win on the day!
But....................................
C'MON THE GREEN AND RED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Delighted for ye Sam2011. Takes me back to the hybee gybees I used to go through back in the 80/90s. The fear and the knot in the stomach days before the match. Making the early start in the morning myself. Cróc an Pháircigh (as the boys backahind say) here we come.
Safe road to all.
Quote from: Frank Casey on August 20, 2011, 05:53:08 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 20, 2011, 05:34:17 PM
there are nearly thirty counties that would love to be in our shoes tomorrow.
Or quaking in your boots!
Its not an arrogance of Kerry's that they expect to win tomorrow, its a confidence achieved through certainty as to their preparation and ability, as well as previous success. This is how the supporters feel and this reflects on the team too.
The constant switching between I think we can do it to I hope we can do it to holding it to 4 would be progress to I hope we don't get tanked is amazing to behold. I posted before the Cork match that Mayo often seek to make a pigs ear out of a silk purse - my point then being that as provincial champions they should have some confidence. Is it beyond the bounds of possibility that the conflicted views of the supporters could reflect, even influence, the team's views.
Kerry by 4, and hopefully by 5 to cover the bookies spread.
"Or quaking in your boots!"I must say I can't follow you here.
I have no intention of quaking in my boots and I see no reason why anyone else should; that was the point I was making to Farrandeelin about his neighbour.
I think Mayo got to where they are on merit and have no apologies to make to anyone.
It's a fine achievement and I feel many others would gladly swap places with us if they got the chance.
"Its not an arrogance of Kerry's that they expect to win tomorrow, its a confidence achieved through certainty as to their preparation and ability, as well as previous success. This is how the supporters feel and this reflects on the team too."I have no issue with that; none whatever. I have genuine respect for the Kerry team and I think they have a great bunch of supporters-mighty folks for the craic and most are gracious in defeat and very few go overboard in victory. Team and supporters set a standard that many others can't match.
"The constant switching between I think we can do it to I hope we can do it to holding it to 4 would be progress to I hope we don't get tanked is amazing to behold. I posted before the Cork match that Mayo often seek to make a pigs ear out of a silk purse - my point then being that as provincial champions they should have some confidence. Is it beyond the bounds of possibility that the conflicted views of the supporters could reflect, even influence, the team's views."Here I do have issues; ass loads of them in fact..
There are well over 60 Mayo posters on this board and it's inconceivable that all could be expected to share a common view. I don't recall anyone saying we would wallop Kerry and, at the other end of the expectations' scale, I don't think a single one has said we'd be hockeyed off the field. ASFAIK, all posters fit in somewhere between those extremes.
I think Mayo can win tomorrow and I imagine quite a few other Mayo heads agree with me. That's a long way short of saying I expect them to win, come what may. Others may be more optimistic than me and most probably less sanguine.
So what? Divergences of opinion are to be expected across such a large number of individuals but I can find no trace of "
constant switching."
And if you do go looking for doom merchants amongst us, keep in mind that some posts could be best described as being of the tongue in cheek variety.
Many other non-Mayo poster refer to this yo yo effect but I'm damned if I can find any evidence of it.
C'mon Mayo. Fingers crossed you can do it ;)
Lar Naparka,
My point, if inelequently put, was this, that I cannot understand how many (but not all I admit) Mayo people doubt their team and by extension if this influences the team itself.
I, personally, believe that a positive vibe for the supporters is an essential part of any teams success. This doesn't mean pie in the sky dreaming will overcome all but you still have to believe. Stoic acceptance of we've done well to be here is cr*p.
For what its worth I believe that Kerry will prevail, but not until after a titanic battle. I believe, and hope, that my friends and relations in Mayo will take something more than a we competed from tomorrow and learn from it.
Our most recent meetings in AI finals were after Tyrone lessons, we used those against you to prevail.
Anyway half rambling and time to bed to get the tractor ready in the morning.
Quote from: Frank Casey on August 21, 2011, 12:40:21 AM
Lar Naparka,
My point, if inelequently put, was this, that I cannot understand how many (but not all I admit) Mayo people doubt their team and by extension if this influences the team itself.
I, personally, believe that a positive vibe for the supporters is an essential part of any teams success. This doesn't mean pie in the sky dreaming will overcome all but you still have to believe. Stoic acceptance of we've done well to be here is cr*p.
For what its worth I believe that Kerry will prevail, but not until after a titanic battle. I believe, and hope, that my friends and relations in Mayo will take something more than a we competed from tomorrow and learn from it.
Our most recent meetings in AI finals were after Tyrone lessons, we used those against you to prevail.
Anyway half rambling and time to bed to get the tractor ready in the morning.
Read my
lips signature which hasn't changed since we lost to Longford last year.
good post cosmo kramer.One thing that has always driven me crazy is when i hear mayo fans saying after a championship victory that we will go no further or saying after a loss that it was just as well we lost as it would save us a thrashing in croker.The important thing is to keep winning,no matter how badly we play and one of those years we will surprise ourselves and take home sam .Looking forward to tomorrows clash and the general consensus for Mayo to win is we have to be extremly defensive for the first 20 min and keep the score close at ht and since we are a second half team we will push on and run the legs off an aging kerry team,but usually things do not go to plan and we will probably see something quite different.I would hope that Horan will have Mayo carry the fight to Kerry from the off and maybe turn the tables and blitz kerry for the opening 20 min rayher than sitting back in a defensive shell and waiting for kerry to come at us.I am sure Horan has thought of all the scenarios that could unfold and will have Mayo primed for battle and if we lose by 1 point or 15 points it will make no difference as we will be out of the race for Sam and next year will seem a long ways away.By the way there was an excellent piece in yesterdays examiner by Kieran Shannon about Horan and his analysis of the 1996 all-ireland.
Best of luck Mayo. From a nuetrals point of view i just hope both teams are in with a shout with 10 minutes to go.
About to hit the road. The nerves have started already. The talking is nearly over, safe journey to all travelling.
Maigh Eo Abu!!!
Any board members welcome to pop into the gaf if stuck for the jacks or a pint, next to sheils off licence by the canal just off dorset street, ye'll see the flags from the windows :D
Best of luck to Mayo today. Would be great to see yous win.
Wish Armagh were in this position. Days like this are what it's all about. The tension, the inability to concentrate on anything else, the looking out for anything that resembles a good luck omen.
No pro7b ballinaman. Offers like that are hard to refuse in fairness!
Come on ye boys in blue....
have a feeling we are going to be good today. Its been building up nicely in training with good focus on the game today. Rock on 3pm
Just polishing off the fryup. Talk later.
I like Jinxys photograph of the Mayo men panning for gold on the land they "took" from the poor old Meath people. None of course mention that most of the Meath team hail from the sons of what was known as "The Colonists". Even O Rourke is not a Meath man, born in Edgewardstown and Leitrim reared I just find most Meath crowd bitter and the rest funny...in a stupid way.
Quote from: moysider on August 21, 2011, 09:13:29 AM
Just polishing off the fryup. Talk later.
Good luck on the road, moy. Hope your journey is worthwhile. ;D
Safe travel to everyone heading to either game.
Quote from: southsidejohnny on August 21, 2011, 09:41:49 AM
I like Jinxys photograph of the Mayo men panning for gold on the land they "took" from the poor old Meath people. None of course mention that most of the Meath team hail from the sons of what was known as "The Colonists". Even O Rourke is not a Meath man, born in Edgewardstown and Leitrim reared I just find most Meath crowd bitter and the rest funny...in a stupid way.
It beats being stupid...in a funny way. :P
It's only coming up on 7:30pm here on the South Coast of NSW, and I've been waiting around distracted all day, wife driven demented. Even took it upon myself to give the bathroom a scrub just to have a bit of peace and quiet.
It's days like today when you're wishing back home, not weddings or christenings despite what you may say to the sister.
Still, not complaining, I can watch the match from the comfort of my own home and put in a few phone calls to the lads before and during the match to sample the atmosphere, there's many a man who went before me who hadn't that sort of comfort to draw on.
Hoping it's a great game, day and night, for those lucky to be there it make sure Ye enjoy yourselves regardless of the result.
Quote from: southsidejohnny on August 21, 2011, 09:41:49 AM
I like Jinxys photograph of the Mayo men panning for gold on the land they "took" from the poor old Meath people. None of course mention that most of the Meath team hail from the sons of what was known as "The Colonists". Even O Rourke is not a Meath man, born in Edgewardstown and Leitrim reared I just find most Meath crowd bitter and the rest funny...in a stupid way.
:D :D
The best of luck today. Remember to enjoy yourself and forget about '96 for a couple of hours.
Quote from: stephenite on August 21, 2011, 10:28:14 AM
It's only coming up on 7:30pm here on the South Coast of NSW, and I've been waiting around distracted all day, wife driven demented. Even took it upon myself to give the bathroom a scrub just to have a bit of peace and quiet.
It's days like today when you're wishing back home, not weddings or christenings despite what you may say to the sister.
Still, not complaining, I can watch the match from the comfort of my own home and put in a few phone calls to the lads before and during the match to sample the atmosphere, there's many a man who went before me who hadn't that sort of comfort to draw on.
Hoping it's a great game, day and night, for those lucky to be there it make sure Ye enjoy yourselves regardless of the result.
Jebus!
I hear there might be a bigger than expected crowd today. If that is the case it is hardly Kerry supporters?
Heading off for the traditional family fry-up (might even be a bbq looking out the window) for all the clan who descend on the city for match day. The lads from home are already on the train.
Mayo by 2-3.
Sorry Mike.
Listening to Newstalk from Rouse's bar, Ballina yesterday really got the head going and have been wound up a bit since. Lot of talk about 1989, 1996 and 1997 brought back memories of great times and was priviliged to live through them and be at them games, even though we fell short. Being distracted all week waiting for today and hearing the Newstalk show yesterday brings out how fortunate we are to be living in these times of All Ireland semi finals and being within touching distance of another final. Cannot wait for Amhran na bhFiann and the hairs standing up on the back of the neck. Here's hoping !!!
Stephenite, if you haven't heard it yet that Newstalk show with Ger Gilroy will be on podcast they said. Would be a great way to build up to the match and keep you outta the feckin jacksie.
Safe journey to one and all and hopefully will be one of the big days for Mayo football. Best of luck to the young Rossies in the minor.
Hope I'm wrong but I can't see anything but a hammering for Mayo! I think Kerry will ease to a 10 point win. As I say, hope I'm wrong. Up Mayo!
Nice dry day up here in the capital, little bit overcast and possibility of some drizzle.
Should be a good day for football although there could be a bit of wind in croker.
Anyway good luck to Mayo & I feel they can do it. ;)
QuoteJebus!
I hear there might be a bigger than expected crowd today. If that is the case it is hardly Kerry supporters?
I hear Mayo are bringing a shitload of fans to the match today. They will probably outnumber Kerry 3 or 4 to 1.
Quote from: ballinaman on August 21, 2011, 08:28:38 AM
Any board members welcome to pop into the gaf if stuck for the jacks or a pint, next to sheils off licence by the canal just off dorset street, ye'll see the flags from the windows :D
Now THATS the Mayo spirit! ;D
Loads of Mayo fans travellin on the N4. Bigtime football welcome back!
For those of you abroad this link MAY have the game...
http://www.justin.tv/the_city_end
Big contingent from the plain of the yews on the train in from Maynooth, a few sheep stealers and one yerra merchant
Good luck Mayo.
come on mayo!
Off on the bike now. Don't want to miss too much of the minor game. Got to get behind the sheepophiles; hope their lambs are bleating happily when the final whistle goes.
My money is on Mayo; it was always going to be. The so-called experts don't give us a chance- like they didn't against the Langers. So Kerry are better than their neighbours; fine and Mayo are better than them too.
There's fight in the old dog yet and we could well get bitten. Yeah, and we could well bite back. Feck the begrudgers!
That's the spirit Lar, good luck to your lads today!
Just after 9 am here in steamy south Florida, a big crowd of Mayo people expected in the Irish Men Pub in Boca Raton to roar on Mayo. If they give the same effort as they did against Cork I will have no complaints no matter what the result.
Kerry look anxious to delay quick frees!
All Kerry so far!!!!
Anyone got a link for the match?
Was O'Sullivans first effort not a penalty?
Quote from: glens73 on August 21, 2011, 03:38:18 PM
Anyone got a link for the match?
Island of Ireland only
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2011/0821/live_kerry_mayo.html
Are Mayo tired!
Kerry playing poorly still two in front at half time.
Mayo dont have enough up front. Lucky to get a score at the end there
Quote from: Gold on August 21, 2011, 04:08:28 PM
Mayo dont have enough up front. Lucky to get a score at the end there
Not luck with Andy Moran, he's been doing that all year!
Someone should tell Aidan O'Shea to move the ball on to the lads with more footballing ability.
Mayo are in a psychological (Championship) place against Kerry that they haven't occupied in 15 years: still in the game at half-time.
Quote from: hardstation on August 21, 2011, 04:11:56 PM
Quote from: Gold on August 21, 2011, 04:08:28 PM
Mayo dont have enough up front. Lucky to get a score at the end there
They look like they could skin that Kerry back line every time the ball goes in, yet don't. They need to show a bit of balls and go at them.
True.
Aye Moran is good i just mean they were lucky to even get a score as the game was going away from them.
When Moran dummied O'Se earlier he never actually went past him--his shot for goal was poor.
Mayo are very lucky that Dar O'Sullivan is a scorer of great goals but not a great goal scorer or this game would be over.
I think Kerry will do what they have to as they did the last day and then lift it for the AI Final
Brolly talking some shite. His analysis of Mayo's defence ignores the fact that Kerry walked through for two goal chances. They should be eight ahead.
Quote from: Hardy on August 21, 2011, 04:16:32 PM
Brolly talking some shite. His analysis of Mayo's defence ignores the fact that Kerry walked through for two goal chances. They should be eight ahead.
+1. Pat's gonna give him a slap.
We need a change at midfield, out from that I'm pleased and a bit relieved to be in this position, Kerry tried the blitzkrieg again but thankfully this time it fell our way, on such things (like Hennelly's forehead) matches are won/lost
Quote from: Hardy on August 21, 2011, 04:16:32 PM
Brolly talking some shite. His analysis of Mayo's defence ignores the fact that Kerry walked through for two goal chances. They should be eight ahead.
Balls Hardy. Caught cold on 25 seconds and the other was the first time Star won a ball in 12 attempts. Mayo forcing the Kerry half forwards into stupid balls on top of Donaghy.
Good to see the ref stamp out the cynical fouling... Oh wait he's not!
Quote from: ONeill on August 21, 2011, 04:24:02 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 21, 2011, 04:16:32 PM
Brolly talking some shite. His analysis of Mayo's defence ignores the fact that Kerry walked through for two goal chances. They should be eight ahead.
Balls Hardy. Caught cold on 25 seconds and the other was the first time Star won a ball in 12 attempts. Mayo forcing the Kerry half forwards into stupid balls on top of Donaghy.
I didnt know there was such a thing!
Kerry will win pulling up
Quote from: ONeill on August 21, 2011, 04:24:02 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 21, 2011, 04:16:32 PM
Brolly talking some shite. His analysis of Mayo's defence ignores the fact that Kerry walked through for two goal chances. They should be eight ahead.
Balls Hardy. Caught cold on 25 seconds and the other was the first time Star won a ball in 12 attempts. Mayo forcing the Kerry half forwards into stupid balls on top of Donaghy.
Funny - could have sworn I saw two goal chances that should have been taken. We should discount these to make Joe right that Mayo are snuffing out Kerry?
Moran is my sort of footballer. A rare talent worth watching.
Gooch aint bad either
Quote from: Hardy on August 21, 2011, 04:30:29 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 21, 2011, 04:24:02 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 21, 2011, 04:16:32 PM
Brolly talking some shite. His analysis of Mayo's defence ignores the fact that Kerry walked through for two goal chances. They should be eight ahead.
Balls Hardy. Caught cold on 25 seconds and the other was the first time Star won a ball in 12 attempts. Mayo forcing the Kerry half forwards into stupid balls on top of Donaghy.
Funny - could have sworn I saw two goal chances that should have been taken. We should discount these to make Joe right that Mayo are snuffing out Kerry?
You can play one hell of a defensive game against Kerry and still get opened up with that talent. When Tyrone dominated the Kerry full back line in '08, Kerry still got through for 2 goal chances.
Quote from: Gold on August 21, 2011, 04:31:15 PM
Moran is my sort of footballer. A rare talent worth watching.
Gooch aint bad either
Gooch is just brillant!
Score?
Where's McGarrity?
13-8
On now
Mayo making silly errors, unforced.
Mayo capitulating here, none of them can kick the ball straight.
yeah, Kerry pulling away......game gone i fear!
Mayo look spent already on 50 mins. In fact from 25 mins.
Great goal by O'Connor
If Mayo can cut out the silly mistakes they might have a chance after that goal.
Though the Gooch had other ideas, great goal
Gooch seems to be coming good at the right time... Pure class today he's MOTM by a country mile!
Cooper simply unmarkable...what a goal :o
Aidan O'Shea has to be the most immobile midfielder in the country. Put him in FF or nowhere.
Quote from: screenexile on August 21, 2011, 04:43:11 PM
Gooch seems to be coming good at the right time
Yep, the boyo knows how to time his form.
Quote from: screenexile on August 21, 2011, 04:43:11 PM
Gooch seems to be coming good at the right time... Pure class today he's MOTM by a country mile!
He has to be one of the best to ever play the game, he is up there with canavan imho.
Anyone for a game of piggy in the middle? ;D
Is Aiden O'Shea allowed to be taken off or moved?
Quote from: Zulu on August 21, 2011, 04:48:36 PM
Is Aiden O'Shea allowed to be taken off or moved?
And who would you move into midfield?
Greedy by O'Shea.
3 goal chances for Mayo in the last 5 minutes.
Kerry running the bench!
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 21, 2011, 04:50:47 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 21, 2011, 04:48:36 PM
Is Aiden O'Shea allowed to be taken off or moved?
And who would you move into midfield?
I would have taken Freeman off and put Aiden O'Shea in full forward. If was just taking off a midfielder I would have taken him off before his brother.
Donaghy and Cooper's constant whinging would turn you off Kerry.
Mayo can hold their heads up this time. They gave it everything and every man competed right to the whistle.
Quote from: heffo on August 21, 2011, 04:43:39 PM
Aidan O'Shea has to be the most immobile midfielder in the country. Put him in FF or nowhere.
He was full forward last year and was terrible. Just too slow for in there. Moran has done well in there
Aidan O Shea should have gone full forward when Kerry got 6 points ahead. He should nearly play there all the time.
It looks like a Dublin v Kerry final now.
Quote from: Hardy on August 21, 2011, 05:00:08 PM
Mayo can hold their heads up this time. They gave it everything and every man competed right to the whistle.
Yeah. They definitely have something to build on now
On 25 mins Mayo led 0-5 to 0-3. The couldn't sustain the effort after that.
Yer man up front from Kerry, the ginger lad, he's not a bad player...
I know it didn't matter in the end but 3 mins additional time, wtf? >:(
Quote from: Capt Pat on August 21, 2011, 05:03:25 PM
Aidan O Shea should have gone full forward when Kerry got 6 points ahead. He should nearly play there all the time.
It looks like a Dublin v Kerry final now.
No chance - Donegal will beat us next week.
Quote from: Hardy on August 21, 2011, 05:00:08 PM
Mayo can hold their heads up this time. They gave it everything and every man competed right to the whistle.
They Still lost by 9 points, patronising stuff to appreciate a team staying to that score.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 21, 2011, 05:05:37 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 21, 2011, 05:00:08 PM
Mayo can hold their heads up this time. They gave it everything and every man competed right to the whistle.
They Still lost by 9 points, patronising stuff to appreciate a team staying to that score.
You just can't win with Mayo people. That's the last time I try to be nice.
Hard luck Mayo. Kerry just too good.
Gooch is the best footballer I've ever seen. If I was told at the start of the year we'd make a semi final as Connacht champs whilst keeping our Div 1 status I'd have laughed at ya.
Progress I suppose but it doesn't take away from the bitter aftertaste defeat always leave
Some progress indeed from behind behind with seconds to go in London.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 21, 2011, 05:05:37 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 21, 2011, 05:00:08 PM
Mayo can hold their heads up this time. They gave it everything and every man competed right to the whistle.
They Still lost by 9 points, patronising stuff to appreciate a team staying to that score.
What should we say? That the useless Mayo cnuts should be ashamed? Jaysus you can't win.
Very frustrating to watch. Silly mistakes. Kerry are lethal, can't give Gooch a sniff.
Can't afford to miss those goal chances against a team like Kerry. 9 points was a bit harsh i thought in the end. Arrah...
Quote from: Offalylad on August 21, 2011, 05:23:45 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 21, 2011, 05:05:37 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 21, 2011, 05:00:08 PM
Mayo can hold their heads up this time. They gave it everything and every man competed right to the whistle.
They Still lost by 9 points, patronising stuff to appreciate a team staying to that score.
What should we say? That the useless Mayo cnuts should be ashamed? Jaysus you can't win.
In 2004 Mayo lost by 8 points and were slaughtered by the media for not trying, how is this different. Its now got to the stage that if Mayo huff and Puff that is enough!
Don''t get me wrong, i'm proud of what Mayo have achieved this year, but to appreciate a team who are provincial champions (no matter how weak that province is perceived) being beaten comfortably by 9 points does no one any favours.
Savage performance today could see that coming for a few weeks but work still to be done. There is life in these dogs yet but they know getting to a final is not enough. Have to win it now. 4 weeks of skelping ahead
mayo will know themselves they didn't perform well today. it's a shame, after doing well in the exchanges at the start, they coughed up a lot of ball unnecessarily... and if there was a wrong option to take they took it too often. kerry'll be looking forward to an el classico now against the dubs eh.
Gooch was class, he always turns it on against Mayo. The simple passes going astray was hard to watch. We have something to build on fire next year. I'm happy with how our forwards are progressing, they caused problems for Kerry.
Too many silly turnovers for Mayo and a midfield with zero pace left them with a serious uphill struggle.
I also thought Freeman should have been taken off with Aidan O'Shea moving to FF.
At least he would have offered a physical presence.
Gooch was a joy to watch today.
I just wish he wasn't such a narky little so and so.
Kerry teach Mayo a lesson
Mayo Advertiser, August 21, 2011.
All Ireland SFC Semi Final
By Colm Gannon, Croke Park
Kerry 1-20
Mayo 1-11
They came in their thousands and thousands from Belmullet to Ballinrobe to Croke Park on Sunday, hoping to see something special. The just over 50,000 who filled the ground did see something special alright, but unfortunately for the massive Mayo crowd who made the trip it was Colm Cooper who was providing the highlights. The Dr Crokes man was simply outstanding for Kerry as they eased their way into yet another All Ireland final by nine points.
Mayo have come a long way since London at the end of May, but not far enough as Kerry in the second half pulled away from them long before the final whistle had blown. But there was hope at stages, a good showing early on had Mayo neck and neck with their opponents, but as the firs half wore on Kerry pushed up through the gears and Mayo couldn't find the torque in the engine to move at the same speed.
Even in the second half when the victors had pushed out into a 0-16 to 0-8 lead with 52 minutes on the clock, Mayo hearts were filled with belief when Cillian O'Connor danced and jigged his way past two men to fire the ball to the back of the net for a truly superb goal, crowning a fine debut season for the Ballintubber man. But that belief was hit with a knock out blow sixty seconds later when that man Cooper some how got his hands on the ball in the Mayo penalty area under pressure and twisted and turned to create enough space to fire it past Robert Hennelly and knock the wind out of Mayo's sails for good this time.
Thoughts of 2006 came flooding back as early as the 30th second when Darran O'Sullivan broke though the Mayo defence only to see Hennelly get his hand to the ball and put it out for a 45. A few minutes later O'Sullivan was through again, this time Hennelly's head did the necessary for Mayo. At that stage Mayo were leading by 0-3 to 0-2 thanks to a brace of points from Enda Varley and one from Cillian O'Connor. That lead was stretched to two in the 18th minute when the excellent Donal Vaughan got his first point of the afternoon. The Ballinrobe man put in a massive shift for Mayo along with the likes of Andy Moran and Ger Cafferkey, but their efforts weren't enough to stop the Munster champions. O'Connor and Darran O'Sullivan swapped points as Kerry began to find their momentum and Mayo tried to keep up with them.
Kevin McLoughlin covered across the back-line in a sweeping role, which hindered Mayo's midfield effort with the breaking ball count going in Kerry's favour all afternoon and putting Mayo on the back foot. Having the Knockmore man placed so far back, also gave Kerry the opportunity to take short kick outs and build from the back. The last 15 minutes of the first half saw Kerry push out into a 0-8 to 0-5 lead with Cooper leading the charge. Andy Moran swung over a great point just before the break to close the gap to two, but the Ballaghaderreen man will look back on the game and rue the fact he could have had three goals to his name if luck was on his side. Twice Brendan Kealy denied him, once in each half and he saw another effort come back off the post midway through the second half.
Kerry picked up where they left off at the start of the second half with Kieran O'Leary and Bryan Sheehan kicking early scores to push the lead out to four points. But Mayo fought back with points from Vaughan and Moran giving the crowd something to cheer about. But the next 12 minutes saw Kerry run riot and kick six unanswered points. They upped their performance levels and Mayo simply had no answer to it. They gave away free kick after free kick as they tried in vain to stop Kerry's flow.
O'Connor's goal did give hope and showed there was plenty of heart left in Mayo, but once Cooper responded with his own three point effort Mayo's breaking point had been reached and there was only going to be one winner. The heart was still there and Moran and Vaughan both had goal chances, but whenever it looked like Mayo might get back into it on the scoreboard Kerry were able to keep the scoreboard ticking over. This defeat will hurt for a while, but Mayo have come on leaps and bounds since last year and even since the start of the summer and when the ball is thrown in next year, there will be a renewed sense of optimism and hope the Mayo players after what they have learned about themselves this year.
Kerry: Brendan Kealy; Killian Young, Marc O Se, Tom O'Sullivan; Tomas O Se (0-1), Eoin Brosnan (0-1), Aidan O'Mahony; Anthony Maher, Bryan Sheehan (0-3); Darran O'Sullivan (0-1), Declan O'Sullivan, Donnchadh Walsh; Colm Cooper (1-7), Kieran Donaghy (0-2), Kieran O'Leary (0-2). Subs: Paul Galvin (0-2), James O'Donoghue, Daniel Bohan, Seamus Scanlon (0-1), Barry John Keane.
Mayo: Robert Hennelly; Tom Cunniffe, Ger Cafferkey, Keith Higgins; Richie Feeney, Donal Vaughan (0-3), Trevor Mortimer; Aidan O'Shea, Seamus O'Shea; Kevin McLoughlin, Alan Dillon, Andy Moran (0-2); Enda Varley (0-2), Alan Freeman, Cillian O'Connor (1-3). Subs: Ronan McGarrity, Lee Keegan (0-1), Aidan Campbell, Jason Doherty.
Only saw second half, listened to Radio 1 for 1st half, sweet Jesus the commentary was woeful/pitiful................. Ger Canning was awful.
As for 2nd half Paul Galvin was immense, how Mortimer wasn't subbed beggars belief or at least they should have put a man with pace on him. His intro turned game towards Kerry.
Mayo were a big disappointment and as a neutral I kept thinking it a pity that it wasn't a Cork/Kerry match.
Kerry very good, but still I saw a few chinks in their armour today so AIF imo won't be the foregone conclusion many will make it.
Think that on the 2nd half that Mayo will get the one obvious allstar as some of the other contenders on the team fell away today.
f**k it anyway. Didn't deserve to lose by 9.
For once the pre-game analysis was spot on, we needed to win midfield hands down to have a chance. We were badly beaten in the middle third. Great stuff from our backs kept us in it to half time, but we had to take control of the middle from the start of the second half and we just weren't good enough in that area. There was no way the backs could keep that up all game, no team could do that.
Credit to the lads for fighting on for as long as there was a sniff of a chance that we could produce a late miracle. Didn't get any breaks in front of goal in the last 10 minutes though - had Andy's shot gone in it would have been a cracking finish.
We're still a very young team, we showed plenty of fight all the way through today and we'll certainly be back on that stage again before long. This was no 2004 or 2006. 2011 was still a year of great progress for Mayo, Year 1 of a longer term plan. And there's no point getting to another final until we're ready and able for one. I just hope all that isn't forgotton in the post game analysis.
At least the bandwagoners can get back to their daily lives now anyways, i'll say little or nothing about that ridiculous article in the Sunday World done from Mick Byrnes pub in Castlebar. Couldn't be arsed going to the semis but would have been at the final if we got there.
Do us all a favour and take your vuvuzelas and f**k off lads.
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on August 21, 2011, 06:38:28 PM
f**k it anyway. Didn't deserve to lose by 9.
For once the pre-game analysis was spot on, we needed to win midfield hands down to have a chance. We were badly beaten in the middle third. Great stuff from our backs kept us in it to half time, but we had to take control of the middle from the start of the second half and we just weren't good enough in that area. There was no way the backs could keep that up all game, no team could do that.
Credit to the lads for fighting on for as long as there was a sniff of a chance that we could produce a late miracle. Didn't get any breaks in front of goal in the last 10 minutes though - had Andy's shot gone in it would have been a cracking finish.
We're still a very young team, we showed plenty of fight all the way through today and we'll certainly be back on that stage again before long. This was no 2004 or 2006. 2011 was still a year of great progress for Mayo, Year 1 of a longer term plan. And there's no point getting to another final until we're ready and able for one. I just hope all that isn't forgotton in the post game analysis.
At least the bandwagoners can get back to their daily lives now anyways, i'll say little or nothing about that ridiculous article in the Sunday World done from Mick Byrnes pub in Castlebar. Couldn't be arsed going to the semis but would have been at the final if we got there.
Do us all a favour and take your vuvuzelas and f**k off lads.
We got a bit too far this year. Not to worry!
Overall maybe the day got to Mayo a bit. Thought they were very disappointing.
No answer to the Kerry power surge in the second half.
Kerry look primed to pick up another all-ireland.
I feel like I should congratulate Kerry but I can't bring myself to do it. Come on Dublin. If Kerry cough up that many chances against Dublin they'll be punished.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 21, 2011, 06:43:09 PM
Overall maybe the day got to Mayo a bit.
Load of crap - they were beaten by a better team at this point in time, nothing more than that.
They could have got a few more breaks, but I couldn't fault their effort and don't think they could have put any more into it.
Unfortunately our team simply isn't as good as Kerrys at this stage of its development.
If I was a Kerry fan, I would have been worried by quite a few things I saw today.
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on August 21, 2011, 06:54:48 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 21, 2011, 06:43:09 PM
Overall maybe the day got to Mayo a bit.
Load of crap - they were beaten by a better team at this point in time, nothing more than that.
They could have got a few more breaks, but I couldn't fault their effort and don't think they could have put any more into it.
Unfortunately our team simply isn't as good as Kerrys at this stage of its development.
Agreed, the day did not get to Mayo!
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on August 21, 2011, 06:54:48 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 21, 2011, 06:43:09 PM
Overall maybe the day got to Mayo a bit.
Load of crap - they were beaten by a better team at this point in time, nothing more than that.
They could have got a few more breaks, but I couldn't fault their effort and don't think they could have put any more into it.
Unfortunately our team simply isn't as good as Kerrys at this stage of its development.
No need to be so precious.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 21, 2011, 06:55:40 PM
If I was a Kerry fan, I would have been worried by quite a few things I saw today.
If Dublin got to the final they could cause the kerry backs problems. however we have to get to the final first.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 21, 2011, 06:55:40 PM
If I was a Kerry fan, I would have been worried by quite a few things I saw today.
Like running the bench with 20 minutes to go!
Like getting Paul Galvin back!
Like scoring a goal as soon as Mayo got theirs.
Like playing keep ball with 20 minutes to go.
Like their Goalie making at least 3 point blank saves
Like winning by 9 against provincial champions in second gear
Like the Gooch scoring at will.
Quote from: CorkMan on August 21, 2011, 06:45:48 PM
I feel like I should congratulate Kerry but I can't bring myself to do it. Come on Dublin. If Kerry cough up that many chances against Dublin they'll be punished.
You seem to be forgetting we've to play Donegal next week in a game which is 50/50.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 21, 2011, 06:59:11 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 21, 2011, 06:55:40 PM
If I was a Kerry fan, I would have been worried by quite a few things I saw today.
If Dublin got to the final they could cause the kerry backs problems. however we have to get to the final first.
If Dublin got to the final Kerry could cause the Dublin backs problems. however ye have to get to the final first.
We're aware of that Bunker. Hopefully either side next week will give kerry a better game then they got today.
One Mayo player who impressed me this year has been Donal Vaughan. Was it 2 or 3 points he scored today.?
Have to comment on Keith Higgins. We all saw his cowardly punch from behind on a Galway player earlier this summer, and then today, we see him giving a knee in the ribs to the grounded Darren O'Sullivan.
When it came to his performance marking Gooch, nothing more need be said.
when They moved up the gears early in the 2nd half mayo couldn't cope with the pace,skill levels & In the end kerry won pulling up.good to see the young mayo players Like o'shea o'connor playing well but the older players (leaders) dillon,mortimer were disappointing tbh. Some decent progress for mayo this year the hardcore fans must be happy enough.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 21, 2011, 07:15:42 PM
We're aware of that Bunker. Hopefully either side next week will give kerry a better game then they got today.
Totally unfair on a young side and management that gave their all but were not good enough to topple this great Kerry team. It's no use to anyone to blame them for not being good enough. It's also bad form to breate amateur players in that way.
Quote from: ross4life on August 21, 2011, 07:53:37 PM
when They moved up the gears early in the 2nd half mayo couldn't cope with the pace,skill levels & In the end kerry won pulling up.good to see the young mayo players Like o'shea o'connor playing well but the older players (leaders) dillon,mortimer were disappointing tbh. Some decent progress for mayo this year the hardcore fans must be happy enough.
I agree with you Ross that they made progress this year, but anything was going to be an improvement on last year.
I'm sure the Mayo lads will know more about this, but i feel that Alan Freeman looked a better player last year.
To be fair to Mayo, they shouldn't really be allowed to compete at this stage of the competition. Like the GAA have come up with all sorts or new rules recently:
- open Croke Park up to other sports
- open Croke Park up for concerts
- hawkeye
- Mayo should only be allowed to go as far as the Connaught final (an ordinary club side could win this)
They prove year after year they are too stupid / naive to play at this stage which ultimately leads to crap games
Jeez regal will you f--k offwith your inane comments and keith higgins was not marking the gooch
Bold statement by O'Rourke on the telly that the reason Mayo failed was that today they came up against some of the greatest players ever to play the game...some truth in that when you look at Cooper, Galvin and the 2 Sés...Mayo hadn't the same quality apart from Moran who gave Marc plenty to think about.
Disappointing enough game from a neutral's perspective apart from Cooper's obvious genius. Kerry just seemed to have an extra two or three gears and once they kicked those five consecutive points before half time the result was inevitable.
It has been said ad nauseum before but Kerry simply possess a touch of class that every other county lacks. Their skill levels from the full-back line up are exceptional. The two Ó Sés for example just look so comfortable on the ball and no other forward line possesses such potency. They will get a stiffer examination in the final (I'd anticipate it will be against Dublin) but their experience at this stage of the championship will ensure that it will take a monumental performance to beat them.
Mayo will be pleased enough with their year and they have the bones of a good team there to kick on with. They need to add a bit more mobility around the middle of the field though. Sheehan and Maher (neither of whom are flyers by any means) appeared to have the freedom of the park at stages there today.
Bad old feeling leaving croker this evening. Being selfish about it, its seemed to hurt more than the drubbings of 06 & 04. Odd thing is were were much closer to them today although scoreboard did nt show that. And if O'Rourke said that about this kerry teamI could not disagree with him.
Our teams of 89 & 96 would not beat this kerry team IMO & they were well ahead of our present team
Cant say much more at this stage, well done to kerry and thanks Mayo for football into late August. Most of the mayo posters on this board are genuine & fair football people so heads up look forward.
Nephinman. ;)
We lost today for three main reasons:
1) Didn't quite bring the same intensity around the middle of the field. The O'Sheas aren't completely to blame for this the half backs and half forwards equally so.
2) Made to many silly mistakes from the 30 to 55 mins. This included about 3 soft frees and giving the away the ball too often around midfield.
3) We were just not clinical enough. Andy had 3 really good goal chances and Donie Vaughan had another. A O'Shea had another half chance as well.
But I think we can take plenty of positives though. We kept going when we could have dropped our heads, a few of our younger lads played good stuff (Vaughan, Cafferkey and Varley in particular) and created chances.
Mayo can take a lot of credit and positives from this game, with continued application and perseverance an AI is not far away, they are a good side who need a little bit of luck to go their way. The game today was a lot closer than the scoreboard displayed at the end
Quote from: kevmy on August 21, 2011, 08:54:44 PM
We lost today for three main reasons:
1) Didn't quite bring the same intensity around the middle of the field. The O'Sheas aren't completely to blame for this the half backs and half forwards equally so.
2) Made to many silly mistakes from the 30 to 55 mins. This included about 3 soft frees and giving the away the ball too often around midfield.
3) We were just not clinical enough. Andy had 3 really good goal chances and Donie Vaughan had another. A O'Shea had another half chance as well.
But I think we can take plenty of positives though. We kept going when we could have dropped our heads, a few of our younger lads played good stuff (Vaughan, Cafferkey and Varley in particular) and created chances.
The trump card of the element of surprise was gone for this game. We had shown our hand really in the cork game.
Quote from: Pangurban on August 21, 2011, 09:10:37 PM
Mayo can take a lot of credit and positives from this game, with continued application and perseverance an AI is not far away, they are a good side who need a little bit of luck to go their way. The game today was a lot closer than the scoreboard displayed at the end
Nice sentiments, but i think 9 points was about right, Kerry had the game done and dusted with 20 minutes left.
Hard luck Mayo, Well done Kerry............................ went with the gut this morning and put 15 smacks on kerry -5 pts at 2/1 so happy enough
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 21, 2011, 09:16:07 PM
Quote from: kevmy on August 21, 2011, 08:54:44 PM
We lost today for three main reasons:
1) Didn't quite bring the same intensity around the middle of the field. The O'Sheas aren't completely to blame for this the half backs and half forwards equally so.
2) Made to many silly mistakes from the 30 to 55 mins. This included about 3 soft frees and giving the away the ball too often around midfield.
3) We were just not clinical enough. Andy had 3 really good goal chances and Donie Vaughan had another. A O'Shea had another half chance as well.
But I think we can take plenty of positives though. We kept going when we could have dropped our heads, a few of our younger lads played good stuff (Vaughan, Cafferkey and Varley in particular) and created chances.
The trump card of the element of surprise was gone for this game. We had shown our hand really in the cork game.
Definitely some truth in that. Over the years it has been shown the QFs throw up more shocks that SFs. We are a young team and hopefully will continue to improve.
We will be back.
Maigh Eo Abú
Kerry will murder you if you let them play of the front foot. Neither Dublin or Donegal will allow it thou, Kerry will be stopped in their tracks in their own HB & MF areas preventing their potent attacking. Not sure if Donegal have the armoury up front to play such a physically exhausting tactical game and still be potent enough up front to carry it off v Kerry, but the Dubs certainly do. If it's Kerry v Donegal there'll be some hoofing into Donaghy.
Only just back and had the grub. Not too disappointed. We ve come a long way in a short time and it showed today. A step too far too soon against a team that knows exactly where they need to be at this time of year. And you can only get that by being there regularly.We re just going to have to try and bridge that gap. But getting back to last 4/8 regularly is a must. There was also a gulf in quality and also in strength. Likes of O Sés, Cooper and Declan O Sullivan are footballers of a lifetime, let alone a generation. Galvin was class as well. We ll done Kerry. They ll improve even more and really can t see them beaten. I ll come back to our fellas later but I need to go drinking now.
The kerry buckos are as tough as oak, mayo hoofed into them but it didnt matter a bit, kerry are one of the toughest bunches around, no soft centre
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 21, 2011, 09:22:12 PM
Hard luck Mayo, Well done Kerry............................ went with the gut this morning and put 15 smacks on kerry -5 pts at 2/1 so happy enough
Where did you get 2/1 on that?
Quote from: Hardy on August 21, 2011, 09:45:16 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 21, 2011, 09:22:12 PM
Hard luck Mayo, Well done Kerry............................ went with the gut this morning and put 15 smacks on kerry -5 pts at 2/1 so happy enough
Where did you get 2/1 on that?
Kerry +4 was 11/10 with Paddy Power so I'd find it difficult to believe that another point on the handicap extended the odds to 2/1.
Exactly. (Kerry -4, of course). Kerry -4.5 was 2.16 on Betfair. I didn't look around much, but I find it hard to believe any bookie was offering 2/1 on K -5.
Just in the door now. Not much to add Kerry in a different league to our lads position at the moment. Feeling realy disapointed tonight for some reason. Maybe the half time score give me hope and our replacement from the bench were really disapointing for me. Well done to James and the lads for the effort this year. Each time they have left everything on the pitch and thats all we can ask for, as supporters. Another 10-15 per cent improvement next year and we wont be far off the mark. Off for a few pints now in the local and bed. 61 years
Well done to the lads today. Great win albeit the score line was a bit flattering. Thought Gooch was class today, T'O Se played brilliant too. Donaghy was poor I thought as most balls just bounced off him into Mayo hands in the 1st half. Anthony was quiet in the ist half but upped it in the 2nd. Declan and Darren quiet by their usual standards. Eoin Brosnan played well but Marc got a bit of a roasting from Andy Moran who I thought was class. Paul made a huge difference when he came on, fair play to him, he is really fired up for it this year. I felt somewhat sorry for the Mayo fans leaving croker today - after all the hype and shite posted here after they bate Cork they were dissapointed again today but in fairness they didnt throw in the towel early as they have done previously. Had to laugh at the boys in the supervalu stand at the back of the cusack telling the Mayo supporters to come and get their picture took with the cup before the match as it would be the last time they'd see it !!. All in all pretty impressed with the performance but a huge improvement will be required again if we are to bring Sam back home to his rightful residence.
Absolutely gutted for the the lads but, I'm as proud as punch to say I'm from Mayo! I'm so happy with the year we've had, more than I could have asked for after last year and London this year! Great to see the Green and Red support out in force today! Really thought we could win this match especially at HT. This is only the beginning of a journey for us and the lads and it's going to be one hell of a journey! We've a young team and management and their is something special about them! They have a spirit of fight, determination, desire, hunger and there is a spark in them! They also show no fear and are not afraid to get stuck into their opponent, which we have been missing for a while! They've learned so much this year and gained so much experience which will stand with them forever!
Finally would just like to thank all of the 31 lads on the squad, management and everyone else who has helped this year and gave up their spare time for their county and done us justice!
The future is looking bright for Mayo GAA 2012!
BELIEVE AND YOU WILL ACHIEVE!!!!!!!!!!!
C'MON THE GREEN AND RED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Little bollix in black = 3 points
Poor decision making at critical times = anything from 3 -10 points.
Very disappointed. Wont criticise my own players, they have put in a massive effort this season.
Proud of Horan, Nallen & co.
For all the Kerry platitudes, the Kingdom were there for the taking. I was amazed at Kerry's tactics early on - bombing the ball on top of Donaghy who was getting cleaned out. Even the likes of O'Mahony was panicking and lumping stupid balls onto someone who was getting roasted. On 25 minutes it was 0-5 to 0-3 to the West and that was Mayo's cue to turn the screw. Their defence was on top. Kerry were overcooking passes, hitting crazy wides albeit under pressure, and Moran had the chance to put daylight between them. Cooper was being smothered, getting blocked on the ball and seemed to be off the boil. The Kerry nightmare of the failed twin tower assault in 08 was being revisited. For some reason Cooper, the only man who could recue them, was given the room to do what he wanted for the last 7-8 mins of the half.
Mayo have themselves to blame. They also spurned 3 goal chances in the second half in 5 minutes although Moran's effort off the post was from a difficult angle. Kerry went 15 minutes in the second half without even looking like scoring but Mayo had no cool heads out there, especially around the middle third. Moran was there to be hit every time but the likes of Freeman gave away silly ball.
I think Mayo eased off Cooper when they saw he was struggling by 20 mins and paid the price.
I don't think they eased off Cooper they just stopped doing what they were doing in the first half.
I think Horan realised that they weren't going to win by trying to simply containing Kerry so they adopted a more attacking formation.
That's when Gooch got the run of the field.
Mayo don't have the class of forwards that can convert a very high % of their chances plus the midfield pairing contributed very little.
Kerry were made to look very good in the 2nd half.
Hard luck to Mayo and congrats to deserving winners Kerry. If they had taken their early chances they would have been home and dry after 5 minutes. As O'Neill said they then went through a period of total aimless kicking in to Donaghy who was cleaned by the excellent Cafferky. They were there for the taking. Declan O'Sullivan was very poor also and Vaughan scored 3 poiints from play off him. But Mayo couldnt make hay when they had a chance. Moran spurned 3 goal chances but maybe should have been content with a point for 2 of them.
Overall I was disappointed with Mayo. Expected more. Horan set his stall out for damage limitation and achieved that up to half time but never looked like they could kick on. They fouled an incredible amount. Higgins should buy a lotto ticket cause thats two matches this year where he should have gotten a straight red.
McGarrity made matter worse at midfield and both O'se (particular Aidan) looked cumbersome on the ball and totally off the pace. This against a Kerry midfield that is only so so in nationals standards.
I know O'Rourke waxed lyrical after about some of the greatest players of all time playing for Kerry but I think some of them were poor today and Cooper got a free rein. Tom O'Se had the ball all to himself and Marc will not be so lucky v the likes of the Brogan Bros if he gives them as much goal chances as he did Moran (yes I do expect the Dubs to beat Donegal).
Galvin scored 2 good points but also turned over alot of ball and was rusty. However he will improve and so will Kerry. They are not as good a side as 04/06/08 though and provided the Dubs do progress as they expect they will fancy their chances.
I was wrong about McGarrity being a trump card as I was about many of the positive aspects of Mayo leading in to todays match. I dont see the justification for being proud of them or Connacht football in general that is evident in alot of the posts here tonight. That being said they did win Connacht and beat Cork so it was a year of progress for them. But they and us Rossies behind them again are a good bit off the elite level yet. Disappointing day for Connacht overall.
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Quote from: Jinxy on August 22, 2011, 12:35:48 AM
I don't think they eased off Cooper they just stopped doing what they were doing in the first half.
That's a contradiction in my book.
Quote from: muppet on August 22, 2011, 12:53:48 AM
Quote from: ross matt on August 22, 2011, 12:40:52 AM
I dont see the justification for being proud of them or Connacht football in general that is evident in alot (sic) of the posts here tonight.
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No need spit out the dummy Muppet. Read my post and you will see I put us and the rest of Connacht behind ye. Genuinely wanted ye to do well and hard luck sentiments also genuine but if you're that bitter about it then fair enough. Thruth hurts I guess.
Quote from: ross matt on August 22, 2011, 01:06:50 AM
Thruth hurts I guess.
Yes it does.
That and spelling tests.
Quote from: muppet on August 22, 2011, 01:08:43 AM
Quote from: ross matt on August 22, 2011, 01:06:50 AM
Thruth hurts I guess.
Yes it does.
That and spelling tests.
Oh right. I see. Bad spelling makes you bitter. You're drunk (I imagine) and I've work in the morning. Night night. Roll on 2012 championship.
i see galvin had his dress making scissors out again
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Pretty much all has been said before now. Thought we did well for the first 25 but, like ONeill said, didn't sustain it. I'm really disappointed with the scoreline. The fact that Kerry were thhere for the taking and still lose by 9 points makesit more harrowing of a loss. Midfield didn't perform at all yesterday. Backs stopped doing their stuff in 2nd half. Forwards had beating of their men but correct ball wasn't been delivered due to the ineffectiveness of mf.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 22, 2011, 12:35:48 AM
I don't think they eased off Cooper they just stopped doing what they were doing in the first half.
I think Horan realised that they weren't going to win by trying to simply containing Kerry so they adopted a more attacking formation.That's when Gooch got the run of the field.
Mayo don't have the class of forwards that can convert a very high % of their chances plus the midfield pairing contributed very little.
Kerry were made to look very good in the 2nd half.
Sounds like the only plausible reason for what was a suicidal decision. They were only 2 down at half time. Needed to keep it tight and play a percentage game. I couldn't believe the change in their formation. Completely threw any chances they had away with the deviation from the defensive game. They needed to be in touch going into last ten. That was the time to throw caution to the wind.
Wow, I am little bit shocked at the amount of Mayo posters suggesting they are happy with the performance.
If ye are happy with that performance, then it tells a lot about the mentality in Mayo. And it certainly is not a 'winning mentality'. When this kind of attitude, ye will never win an AI. If Kerry were in Mayo's position yesterday, do you think their fans would be happy with the performance?
Quote from: ross matt on August 22, 2011, 12:40:52 AM
provided the Dubs do progress as they expect they will fancy their chances.
No-one in Dublin expects anything apart from a very tough game next Sunday. Let's not be telling other counties what they expect.
Ah it's frustrating and gutting but the season has to be seen as a success. It cannot be forgotten where we have come from - comfortably beaten by Sligo and Longford to an All Ireland semi-final is a massive jump. I'm not "happy" with losing by 9 points yesterday and at times you simply have to put up your hand and say well done to the opposition, the better team won. And Kerry were the better team.
Little mistakes were badly punished and the three points we gave away just before half-time were annoying and the changing of the game. When the Gooch went up unchallenged to field a ball at the 30 yard line he grew in confidence after that and the rest is history.
I think the rational Mayo fans (being about 90%) are well aware that this is not a season that you look on as an All Ireland being thrown away. There was a small chance of sneaking one - it was always unlikely and we are not ready yet.
But we have a manager who has a sense of direction of where he wants this panel to go. He has brought in a style of play that does need to be adjusted. We need 3/4 new players to improve things further and just need the lads to keep at the hard work they put in this year and go at it again and see where it takes them. I think we are firmly in the top 6/7 teams in the country and that there are going to be opportunities in the next 4/5 years for new teams to emerge. There is no reason why that cannot be ourselves.
At the start of the season the management and panel had 3 goals -
- stay in Division 1.
- win a Connacht championship.
- win a game in Croke Park.
All three were achieved. On top of that we have quality young players who have rediscovered their confidence. Cillian O'Connor has slotted into the team very well at such a young age and looks to be a solution to our freetaking issues. Aidan O'Shea, although frustrating at times, has now played a championship at midfield and he has potential to improve. Donal Vaughan has played 3 months football all year and has improved all the time. He looks like he can hold down the number 6 jersey. Ger Cafferkey has rediscovered his form and potential and is still our best option at number 3. In Andy, Alan and Trevor we have experienced leaders.
All in all there is more to come from our lads.
7th final in 8 years. We are lucky to live to see this incredible bunch of Kerry players. When they are written off like they have been this year with an aging set of backs and no midfield they still come up trumps. 4 Weeks of hard work ahead now and that's only scrounging for a ticket. The players have work to do too... But they will love being involved.
http://spailpin.blogspot.com/2011/08/mayo-on-top-of-world-after-nine-point.html (http://spailpin.blogspot.com/2011/08/mayo-on-top-of-world-after-nine-point.html)
Great stuff by An Spailpin
Quote from: mckieran on August 22, 2011, 08:23:29 AM
Wow, I am little bit shocked at the amount of Mayo posters suggesting they are happy with the performance.
If ye are happy with that performance, then it tells a lot about the mentality in Mayo. And it certainly is not a 'winning mentality'. When this kind of attitude, ye will never win an AI. If Kerry were in Mayo's position yesterday, do you think their fans would be happy with the performance?
Well, I'm not what you'd call a happy bunny right now.
Like the insightful Iolar puts it; I'd be happy with the scoreline if it read 0-1 to 0-0 in our favour. I'd far prefer to swap a thousand "Hard luck, ye did well" for just one, "Feck it; ye robbed us."
However, there are tiny bitteens of comfort to be taken out of yesterday's performance and, when you are working off a very low base, it's worthwhile to keep them in mind.
Horan and his men set themselves targets for this year and they have comfortably surpassed them. That in itself is progress. Indeed, the win over London meant progress had been made since last year. That's about as real as it gets.
I've no intention of overtly criticising any of the players or the manager here. I've good reason to believe that some of the Mayo lads read what's posted here and the last thing they need to read now is that they weren't good enough yesterday.
They owe me nothing; not one effin' thing.
All I ever asked, or will ask of, any Mayo side is that they give it their best and I think they did that yesterday.
Good luck to Kerry; they are as fine side and were most worthy winners yesterday.
Life must go on: there would still be cows to be milked this morning if I still had cows to milk. As I haven't, I'll find something else to do.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 22, 2011, 10:13:40 AM
Quote from: mckieran on August 22, 2011, 08:23:29 AM
Wow, I am little bit shocked at the amount of Mayo posters suggesting they are happy with the performance.
If ye are happy with that performance, then it tells a lot about the mentality in Mayo. And it certainly is not a 'winning mentality'. When this kind of attitude, ye will never win an AI. If Kerry were in Mayo's position yesterday, do you think their fans would be happy with the performance?
Well, I'm not what you'd call a happy bunny right now.
Like the insightful Iolar puts it; I'd be happy with the scoreline if it read 0-1 to 0-0 in our favour. I'd far prefer to swap a thousand "Hard luck, ye did well" for just one, "Feck it; ye robbed us."
However, there are tiny bitteens of comfort to be taken out of yesterday's performance and, when you are working off a very low base, it's worthwhile to keep them in mind.
Horan and his men set themselves targets for this year and they have comfortably surpassed them. That in itself is progress. Indeed, the win over London meant progress had been made since last year. That's about as real as it gets.
I've no intention of overtly criticising any of the players or the manager here. I've good reason to believe that some of the Mayo lads read what's posted here and the last thing they need to read now is that they weren't good enough yesterday.
They owe me nothing; not one effin' thing.
All I ever asked, or will ask of, any Mayo side is that they give it their best and I think they did that yesterday.
Good luck to Kerry; they are as fine side and were most worthy winners yesterday.
Life must go on: there would still be cows to be milked this morning if I still had cows to milk. As I haven't, I'll find something else to do.
Winning an all Ireland takes several years in practice. Look how long Cork took. Mayo started off last year losing both matches so this year was a considerable improvement. I think beating Cork set the bar higher not just for Mayo but also Galway and Ros. Connacht next year will be far more interesting. It could be the equivalent of 1995 when nobody expected Galway to put it up to Tyrone in the semi final. 96 brought the game on for the province and the rest is history.
Match experience at this level is priceless. The players will have learnt from the last 2 matches. They will know they can build on this year. They couldn't say that last year. Mayo are in a better orbit now.
The next few years are wide open. Kerry will wind down and Tyrone and Armagh have fallen by the wayside. It is all to play for.
Quote from: ONeill on August 22, 2011, 01:05:03 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 22, 2011, 12:35:48 AM
I don't think they eased off Cooper they just stopped doing what they were doing in the first half.
That's a contradiction in my book.
The change wasn't tactical it was strategic.
Quote from: sheamy on August 22, 2011, 07:58:08 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 22, 2011, 12:35:48 AM
I don't think they eased off Cooper they just stopped doing what they were doing in the first half.
I think Horan realised that they weren't going to win by trying to simply containing Kerry so they adopted a more attacking formation.That's when Gooch got the run of the field.
Mayo don't have the class of forwards that can convert a very high % of their chances plus the midfield pairing contributed very little.
Kerry were made to look very good in the 2nd half.
Sounds like the only plausible reason for what was a suicidal decision. They were only 2 down at half time. Needed to keep it tight and play a percentage game. I couldn't believe the change in their formation. Completely threw any chances they had away with the deviation from the defensive game. They needed to be in touch going into last ten. That was the time to throw caution to the wind.
True, but maybe Horans attitude was "We may as well lose by 10 points as lose by 2 points".
Kerry had already started to turn the screw before half time so I suppose he decided they weren't going to die wondering in the 2nd half.
Ultimately. you can't sacrifice defence for attack or vice versa and hope to win an All-Ireland.
Dublin and Kerry are the only teams left that don't do either.
Jack O'Connor was cute. Mayo's sweeper was frustrating Kerry a lot, and Donaghy wasn't going well, as Cafferky was playing great stuff. But what Kerry were doing was attacking with Tomás O'Sé and/or Eoin Brosnan, i.e. the spare men at the back. Kerry took short kickouts to keep possession because Mayo were giving it to them, and O'Sé and Brosnan were dangerous looking going forward.
I think James Horan decided that if the game kept going the way it was, Kerry would win by 4 or 5 points, going handy. The Kerry backs had largely gotten on top after a very shaky start. He decided to try and make Tomás O'Sé have to worry about going backwards, and I think it was an understandable move.
The problem was Kerry were getting more possession than Mayo. The dogs in the streets knew that Mayo had to win more ball than Kerry to win the game.
I have to say one thing though, Andy Moran surprised me. I've always had him down as an agricultural, worker type forward, who gives to his team by dying for the cause. Yesterday was my first time (I think) seeing him live, and his movement was outstanding. Marc O'Sé didn't have a terrible game, but any time Moran got the ball, he gave him fits. And any time Mayo picked out his runs, he got the ball.
Also thought Donal Vaughan had a great game on Declan O'Sullivan. Dec looked very 'dead' in himself. He didn't drive at Mayo the way he normally does, and was content enough to act as a sort of link man in one twos. Unlike him really. Donaghy was ate by Cafferky for most of the first half. Was a bit better in the second half when the Mayo defense opened up. However he got all his good ball on the move, rather than as the big man. Kerry will hope that's out of his system. I don't think they'd beat Dublin or Donegal with Donaghy and O'Sullivan so quiet.
That game will be good for Kerry though. They were in trouble early, weathered the storm, had to deal with a tactical challenge and figured out a way. They won with two or three of their best forwards playing quietly, as Gooch and Kieran O'Leary were excellent. Galvin looked great when he came on.
Ominous. Kerry are there in the final, with potential to be better.
Mayo tried hard I thought, and had great individual performances at times, but with Trevor Mortimor so quiet, and the O'Shea brothers well beaten as the game wore on, they were always going to struggle.
QuoteWinning an all Ireland takes several years in practice. Look how long Cork took. Mayo started off last year losing both matches so this year was a considerable improvement.
It did Cork a while to win their AI. But I am sure after those defeats, their supporters were not saying "I am happy with that performance" after a defeat. This is my point; there seems to be a different mindet between the big counties like Cork and Kerry and that of Mayo. I just could envisage Cork/Kerry supporters saying that yesterdays performance was acceptable if they had been in Mayo's position. Even if they had progressed as Mayo have this year.
QuoteI've no intention of overtly criticising any of the players or the manager here. I've good reason to believe that some of the Mayo lads read what's posted here and the last thing they need to read now is that they weren't good enough yesterday.
They owe me nothing; not one effin' thing.
I am not encouraging Mayo fans to start criticising their players. I have the highest regard for players at that level. But my point remains that if Mayo are satisfied with an all-ireland semi final appearance, then that is as far as they will ever get. Perhaps the players are annoyed with how they played, more so than the supporters. If so, that is a good omen. However, if they wake up this morning and say "That was a good year for Mayo football", they shall never progress any further.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 22, 2011, 11:41:00 AM
Ominous. Kerry are there in the final, with potential to be better.
Kerry have developed a knack over the years of just doing enough and hinting they've more in reserve if needed.
They'll be clear favourites in the final regardless of whether it's Donegal or Dublin they're facing.
I'd expect a big improvement from Declan O'Sullivan and if Donaghy gives over constantly giving out to umpires and refs, then he'd be expected to improve too.
Quote from: mckieran on August 22, 2011, 11:44:15 AM
QuoteWinning an all Ireland takes several years in practice. Look how long Cork took. Mayo started off last year losing both matches so this year was a considerable improvement.
It did Cork a while to win their AI. But I am sure after those defeats, their supporters were not saying "I am happy with that performance" after a defeat. This is my point; there seems to be a different mindet between the big counties like Cork and Kerry and that of Mayo. I just could envisage Cork/Kerry supporters saying that yesterdays performance was acceptable if they had been in Mayo's position. Even if they had progressed as Mayo have this year.
QuoteI've no intention of overtly criticising any of the players or the manager here. I've good reason to believe that some of the Mayo lads read what's posted here and the last thing they need to read now is that they weren't good enough yesterday.
They owe me nothing; not one effin' thing.
I am not encouraging Mayo fans to start criticising their players. I have the highest regard for players at that level. But my point remains that if Mayo are satisfied with an all-ireland semi final appearance, then that is as far as they will ever get. Perhaps the players are annoyed with how they played, more so than the supporters. If so, that is a good omen. However, if they wake up this morning and say "That was a good year for Mayo football", they shall never progress any further.
Success is relevant though and from the start of the year to the end of the year Mayo have developed well and are starting to look a much stronger, more coherent team than they have for many years. They are a greater sum of their parts and semi final is probably their level at this stage of the teams development. Dublin would eat them alive in the final I feel and Donegal would strangle them to death and given the general softness of belly that Mayo football has had in the last number of years then it is maybe better to lose a semi with a bit of pride than lose a final with the hype that would go with it after beating Kerry. As an Armagh man watching teams like Mayo playing for Horan and Donegal for McGuinness it angers me to see players who are on a similar level of ability being pulled together with a belief and a system implemented by a manager who the players believe in. Mayo are on a good upward spiral and with a good run in the League then they can look towards next year with great hope. Horan will earn his corn by building ona reasonably successful year.
Look sure, Roman wasn't built in a day so I don't expect this team to be built in 8 months.
If they can achieve their goals they wanted in the first year then I don't think that is to bad.
Kerry people are used of winning all the time, whereas we are used of losing more so we know how to take it better.
I think these lads have a great mentality. After the London game they could have thought if we can just about beat London what hope have we got. Also the lads who played in Longford last year did say they had very low confidence coming into this year but James and the back room staff built up their confidence again.
No matter what anyone says I'm as proud as punch of the lads this year and I can't thank them enough for bringing me back to Croke Park again.
I think it's hard for people from outside the county to realise just how drastic the improvement has been for Mayo this year. They weren't in Markievicz or Pearse last year, sneaking out with their heads down wondering where now for a once proud county. They didn't have the pain of losing to two middling counties who didn't, even by their standards, have great years last year. They didn't sense the utter depression of last autumn and winter. They didn't have to see the saga of appointing a manager drag on and on (thankfully the supporters pretty much forced the County Boards hand in the right direction). They didn't witness the (needed) search and experimentation of players and tactics throughout the league. They didn't realise that we only played one game in the league with anywhere near our eventual championship team. They didn't realise that championship team only really came into being against Galway.
Don't get us wrong - Mayo are aiming for AI titles with the team - the hardcore supporters just realise that their is only so high you can come from the low of last year. If we continue to improve by 1-2 players, make 5-6 less mistakes around the middle and add 1-2 points from the forwards then we're in the AI fight. I'd hope and expect Mayo would be back in an AI semi next year and that we would be some of the way towards achieving those goals.
Quote from: kevmy on August 22, 2011, 01:04:28 PM
I think it's hard for people from outside the county to realise just how drastic the improvement has been for Mayo this year. They weren't in Markievicz or Pearse last year, sneaking out with their heads down wondering where now for a once proud county. They didn't have the pain of losing to two middling counties who didn't, even by their standards, have great years last year. They didn't sense the utter depression of last autumn and winter. They didn't have to see the saga of appointing a manager drag on and on (thankfully the supporters pretty much forced the County Boards hand in the right direction). They didn't witness the (needed) search and experimentation of players and tactics throughout the league. They didn't realise that we only played one game in the league with anywhere near our eventual championship team. They didn't realise that championship team only really came into being against Galway.
Don't get us wrong - Mayo are aiming for AI titles with the team - the hardcore supporters just realise that their is only so high you can come from the low of last year. If we continue to improve by 1-2 players, make 5-6 less mistakes around the middle and add 1-2 points from the forwards then we're in the AI fight. I'd hope and expect Mayo would be back in an AI semi next year and that we would be some of the way towards achieving those goals.
Well said. We needed to be flawless yesterday to win and that just wasn't the case. Fierce young team for the most part. Fair play to them, never thought i'd be in Croker after standing in Ruislip in May!
Just wanted to add my thanks to James Horan and his team for a stirring year that restored great pride in Mayo football.
Great buzz in Croke Park yesterday and, though Kerry were the better team, the contest was alive for an hour. Mayo dished out the hits and threw all they had at Kerry. There was no bending of the knee. Andy Moran and Cillian O'Connor confirmed themselves as very good forwards at this level; Donal Vaughan and Ger Cafferkey looked the part at the back.
A pity that Cunniffe wasn't switched off the Gooch earlier, and that McGarrity wasn't brought in sooner. Some of our team made mistakes at times, some were naive at times, gave possession away etc. But they're young, they have the right man in charge, and they'll learn. They certainly don't look afraid of the big stage.
There's no doubt that this is one of the greatest eras in Kerry football. That team will beat whoever comes out of the other semi-final. They're just a superb outfit.
Not so sure if this is the place to ask this question but here gioes anyway, with the success of Cillian O Connor this year will there be a spot for Conor Mortimor next year in the starting line up? O Connor seems to offer more than Mort from general play and as was seen yesterday took his goal well when we needed it.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 22, 2011, 12:35:48 AM
I don't think they eased off Cooper they just stopped doing what they were doing in the first half.
I think Horan realised that they weren't going to win by trying to simply containing Kerry so they adopted a more attacking formation.
That's when Gooch got the run of the field.
Mayo don't have the class of forwards that can convert a very high % of their chances plus the midfield pairing contributed very little.
Kerry were made to look very good in the 2nd half.
I agree with this analysis. We need two more forwards with pace that can score. Our midfield was also under a lot of pressure from a Kerry midfied paring that I do not rate.
Just read Eugene Mcgee's column, totally disagree with his analysis,wonder what would he have wrote if the score was 1-20 to 3-11, which it could easily have been. Mayo needed a flawless performance and did not get it. We missed two points attempts in the first half inside the 21 yard line, We also gave up 1-1 due to poor decision making (not Tom Cuniffe). i watched the game again last night for confirmation of this.
All in all a huge improvement from last year. A great effort by the team and management, lets look at our mistakes, eliminate them and move forward.
Quote from: kevmy on August 22, 2011, 01:04:28 PM
I think it's hard for people from outside the county to realise just how drastic the improvement has been for Mayo this year. They weren't in Markievicz or Pearse last year, sneaking out with their heads down wondering where now for a once proud county. They didn't have the pain of losing to two middling counties who didn't, even by their standards, have great years last year. They didn't sense the utter depression of last autumn and winter. They didn't have to see the saga of appointing a manager drag on and on (thankfully the supporters pretty much forced the County Boards hand in the right direction). They didn't witness the (needed) search and experimentation of players and tactics throughout the league. They didn't realise that we only played one game in the league with anywhere near our eventual championship team. They didn't realise that championship team only really came into being against Galway.
Don't get us wrong - Mayo are aiming for AI titles with the team - the hardcore supporters just realise that their is only so high you can come from the low of last year. If we continue to improve by 1-2 players, make 5-6 less mistakes around the middle and add 1-2 points from the forwards then we're in the AI fight. I'd hope and expect Mayo would be back in an AI semi next year and that we would be some of the way towards achieving those goals.
Well said Kevmy. That's a perfect summation of where Mayo are and what the year has been like. Nice one.
Quote from: joemamas on August 22, 2011, 01:48:33 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 22, 2011, 12:35:48 AM
I don't think they eased off Cooper they just stopped doing what they were doing in the first half.
I think Horan realised that they weren't going to win by trying to simply containing Kerry so they adopted a more attacking formation.
That's when Gooch got the run of the field.
Mayo don't have the class of forwards that can convert a very high % of their chances plus the midfield pairing contributed very little.
Kerry were made to look very good in the 2nd half.
Just read Eugene Mcgee's column, totally disagree with his analysis,wonder what would he have wrote if the score was 1-20 to 3-11, which it could easily have been.
It could just as easily have been 3-20 to 3-11 in fairness.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 22, 2011, 02:08:48 PM
Quote from: joemamas on August 22, 2011, 01:48:33 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 22, 2011, 12:35:48 AM
I don't think they eased off Cooper they just stopped doing what they were doing in the first half.
I think Horan realised that they weren't going to win by trying to simply containing Kerry so they adopted a more attacking formation.
That's when Gooch got the run of the field.
Mayo don't have the class of forwards that can convert a very high % of their chances plus the midfield pairing contributed very little.
Kerry were made to look very good in the 2nd half.
Just read Eugene Mcgee's column, totally disagree with his analysis,wonder what would he have wrote if the score was 1-20 to 3-11, which it could easily have been.
It could just as easily have been 3-20 to 3-11 in fairness.
Fair point, his article was based on Kerry just do enough to get over semi-finals. I think there are some major flaws with this Kerry team.
A full-back line that is clearly uncomfortable under a high ball and in a one on one situation, this is not based solely on yesterday.
A center back who may clearly struggle when ran at.
A midfield that other than second half V Cork have not been tested.
A centre forward Declan O Sullivan who is clearly unfit/injured, his off the ball running is non existant.
A full forward who is having a poor year.
Dont get me wrong, these guys have more All-Ireland medals than they know what to do with, I truly believe they they have been unable to compensate for the loss of Tommy Walsh, Dara O Se, Kennelley and the full back who I cannot think of.
With all due respect to Donegal, I think Dublin will beat them.
Quote from: joemamas on August 22, 2011, 02:26:30 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 22, 2011, 02:08:48 PM
Quote from: joemamas on August 22, 2011, 01:48:33 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 22, 2011, 12:35:48 AM
I don't think they eased off Cooper they just stopped doing what they were doing in the first half.
I think Horan realised that they weren't going to win by trying to simply containing Kerry so they adopted a more attacking formation.
That's when Gooch got the run of the field.
Mayo don't have the class of forwards that can convert a very high % of their chances plus the midfield pairing contributed very little.
Kerry were made to look very good in the 2nd half.
Just read Eugene Mcgee's column, totally disagree with his analysis,wonder what would he have wrote if the score was 1-20 to 3-11, which it could easily have been.
It could just as easily have been 3-20 to 3-11 in fairness.
Fair point, his article was based on Kerry just do enough to get over semi-finals. I think there are some major flaws with this Kerry team.
A full-back line that is clearly uncomfortable under a high ball and in a one on one situation, this is not based solely on yesterday.
A center back who may clearly struggle when ran at.
A midfield that other than second half V Cork have not been tested.
A centre forward Declan O Sullivan who is clearly unfit/injured, his off the ball running is non existant.
A full forward who is having a poor year.
Dont get me wrong, these guys have more All-Ireland medals than they know what to do with, I truly believe they they have been unable to compensate for the loss of Tommy Walsh, Dara O Se, Kennelley and the full back who I cannot think of.
With all due respect to Donegal, I think Dublin will beat them.
Declan O'Sullivan has been having a great year so far. Yesterday he was very quiet and if you were just looking at yesterday, I'd agree with you, but that would not be a safe assumption for either Dublin or Donegal to make. Out of the people you mention, Darragh O'Se is the biggest loss, and missing David Moran doesn't help. But I think the Kerry forwards are a great unit, the best in the game. Tommy Griffin is the full back you are thinking of, and he is also back fit, so he may be chosen if Donegal make the final. I can't see him starting unless it's Dublin with O'Gara at #14.
I think Kerry are in good shape overall. They have work to do, and can improve. They know what it takes and are sitting pretty in an All Ireland final.
Mayo started out fantastically well, the defensive system with all men behind the ball and a fast breaking attack into forward who had acres of space was really troubling kerry.
Have to also menton that Mayo were superb in their cynicism. Kerry have been doing it for years and only seems to have come to light when meath did it or the dirty dubs did it and now this year there are loads of teams 'at it' !
Mayo just dont have the players yet.
Kerry obv were told to rain ball down on Donaghy. IMO he is a limited player and it didnt work out. In fact that is actually a 'pass' that is hard to perfect and more often than not it suits the defender- and this made cafferky look outstanding , when in reality it was kicked at him. He is a decent player though all the same.
Marc o Se was shown up to not be a true full back. Mayo should have went after him more and isolate him with his man as he was relying on sheer athleticism to keep himself in the game. If Moran was a more out and out FF player he would have went more for goals and I think he would have obtained dividends here.
When Kerry stopped kicking the high ball in , they started to play and score.
Still I think Dublin or donegal would see a lot of scope here and none of the remaining midfields are outstanding, so its all going to be breaking ball. Galvin a key man here.
As for Mayo, too much hype on the poor players. A scrape over london and a stumble in Connacht, with a glorious day against a cork side yet again shooting themselves in the head and foot. I think the press made folk run away with themselves as Mayo were never going to get to the AI this year at least. The media are a problem for mayo sides this past 20 years. Horan needs to try to do something to stem this if he is to shield the players for next season.
Needs to bring in a good few players if they are to compete at this level next season, but they need to be wary of Rossies first. Hard luck Mayo- a load of great footballing people. Just not your time (yet at least).
reckon this mayo team has got legs and will be focussing on working on the areas that they learned lessons from yesterday. you can't buy experience like that and you'd expect they'll go over it with a fine tooth comb. it's a bit unreasonable expecting a county that has been in the doldrums recently to have the know-how to win an AI, new manager and all that. mayo's 2012 championship starts now, sifting through the ashes. i don't prescribe to the notion that they don't have enough fiepower up front, or are lacking in skill or talent. they've plenty of that imo, it's just they need to learn from what went wrong and get grafting. be interesting to see them after this.
Not a bad run by Mayo this year, from falling back to near enough last place and recovering to get to the top 4, on merit.
Why doesn't Galvin just stick to what he does best, playing sublime football as he's a phony skin-deep hard man, felled to ground in agony, clutching his face for ages, you'd swear he he was felled by an axe, yet not a mark on his face, no streams of blood pouring from an open wound and then whines/snitches to the ref about the mythical foul deed inflicted upon him.
Quote from: mckieran on August 22, 2011, 11:44:15 AM
QuoteWinning an all Ireland takes several years in practice. Look how long Cork took. Mayo started off last year losing both matches so this year was a considerable improvement.
It did Cork a while to win their AI. But I am sure after those defeats, their supporters were not saying "I am happy with that performance" after a defeat. This is my point; there seems to be a different mindet between the big counties like Cork and Kerry and that of Mayo. I just could envisage Cork/Kerry supporters saying that yesterdays performance was acceptable if they had been in Mayo's position. Even if they had progressed as Mayo have this year.
QuoteI've no intention of overtly criticising any of the players or the manager here. I've good reason to believe that some of the Mayo lads read what's posted here and the last thing they need to read now is that they weren't good enough yesterday.
They owe me nothing; not one effin' thing.
I am not encouraging Mayo fans to start criticising their players. I have the highest regard for players at that level. But my point remains that if Mayo are satisfied with an all-ireland semi final appearance, then that is as far as they will ever get. Perhaps the players are annoyed with how they played, more so than the supporters. If so, that is a good omen. However, if they wake up this morning and say "That was a good year for Mayo football", they shall never progress any further.
I think what most Mayo posters mean is, relative to last year the team is in reasonable shape.Rome wasn't built in a day and progress has been made.What would you guys want us to say...stomp our feet,demand Jamsie's head,clear the decks...no?-well then as I said, yesterdays performance meant valuable experience to these guys and hopefully they can kick on from that.If our posts are interpeted by some as meaning we are happy then thats your'e perogative but ye grossly underestimate the burning desire in the hearts of Mhuintir Maigheo.
Was talking to JH last nite, he was v disappointed as he felt Kerry were there for the taking and he could have switched markers on gooch
Interesting Mayo4Sam - shows the ambition and belief present in this Mayo setup.
I hope we take a leaf out of Armagh and Cork's (and to a certain extent Dublin's) book and come back next year. And if we fail to win an AI next year fail better and keep failing better til we win Sam.
Quote from: mckieran on August 22, 2011, 11:44:15 AM
QuoteWinning an all Ireland takes several years in practice. Look how long Cork took. Mayo started off last year losing both matches so this year was a considerable improvement.
It did Cork a while to win their AI. But I am sure after those defeats, their supporters were not saying "I am happy with that performance" after a defeat. This is my point; there seems to be a different mindet between the big counties like Cork and Kerry and that of Mayo. I just could envisage Cork/Kerry supporters saying that yesterdays performance was acceptable if they had been in Mayo's position. Even if they had progressed as Mayo have this year.
QuoteI've no intention of overtly criticising any of the players or the manager here. I've good reason to believe that some of the Mayo lads read what's posted here and the last thing they need to read now is that they weren't good enough yesterday.
They owe me nothing; not one effin' thing.
I am not encouraging Mayo fans to start criticising their players. I have the highest regard for players at that level. But my point remains that if Mayo are satisfied with an all-ireland semi final appearance, then that is as far as they will ever get. Perhaps the players are annoyed with how they played, more so than the supporters. If so, that is a good omen. However, if they wake up this morning and say "That was a good year for Mayo football", they shall never progress any further.
Nah, I don't think Mayo will ever be satisfied with anything less than the real thing and I hope this will always be the case.
But at the same time one has got to be realistic; the team did well to get to a semi this year, given what they went through over the last four years. Cork, Kerry and Tyrone are the only counties that won silverware of any sort in recent years. For any of them a semi-final appearance would not satisfy either the team or the fans.
Success at the top is hard to come by but I've no doubt that Mayo will keep plugging away. Andy Moran said as much when he was interviewed after the game.
Now, I wasn't getting at you when I said that this isn't the time to start criticising the players. It's the probable dissent from within that concerns me.
I'm glad to see that none of the Mayo posters, so far, has taken a swipe at the players. You can bet that a lot more critical comments will be posted on other boards.
We all know some didn't live up to expectations but so do they. They will take some time to recover but they will re-group and pick up the pieces once again.
Next year is along way off and many things could happen in the meantime but I'm hopeful Mayo will pick up where they left off.
Tiocfaidh ar lá.... Keep the faith! ;D
Quote from: muppet on August 22, 2011, 12:18:48 AM
Little bollix in black = 3 points
Poor decision making at critical times = anything from 3 -10 points.
Little bollix in black? = plus two men. O'Shea should have gone for his elbow at Galvin and as for Higgins and his knee to darren's ribs ??? Have not seen Sunday Game - did Judge Judy have anything to say about these?
Poor decision making? agreed.
Gooch - class.
Good result for the Kingdom. Good test from Mayo but once we went ahead on the half hour could only see one result.
Plenty work to do but the right time of the year to do it. Should have time to get the turf home in the next 4 weeks.
Have to say i was pleased to see the vast majority of the Mayo fans stayed on until the final whistle to show their appreciation to the Mayo team & management as they walked off the field. A poster here last year couldn't understand why we did that when we lost to Cork by 9 points maybe he'll understand it better now?
Mayo like ourself have a young team with much to learn but both have the makings of decent teams should be interesting to see how far they & indeed the other Connacht teams will have progressed in the next 5 years.
Slightly distubing to hear David Brady on Newstalk this evening describing Colm Cooper as a "class piece of ass".
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 22, 2011, 09:37:46 PM
Slightly distubing to hear David Brady on Newstalk this evening describing Colm Cooper as a "class piece of ass".
:D Classic piece of radio. Man DB
Everyone seems to be very happy with the progress that Mayo have made this year and I would be satisfied up to a point with how things have gone. I am going to throw a few points out there now that are a little more negative just for debates sake.
In 1997 we were beaten by one man, Maurice Fitzgerald whos marker was left unchanged for the game....15 years of giving off about Maughan and now we have a game where we were beaten by the great Gooch who was given a free run until the last 8 minutes when his marker was changed, what were the people on the line looking at?????
The kickout policy was a disaster and no change was made at half time. We were getting cleaned out of it and still our own kick out policy continued right up to the bitter end.
We had a number of subs who were never ever, ever, ever, ever going to see game time yesterday. I can think of two of my own club men who are some way ahead of some of the listed subs, but management thinks otherwise.
Telling players that it was a fifty fifty call that they would be on the subs list for the game and then informing them by TEXT that they were out, is very poor form, in fact its disgraceful, shame on management for this one.
I wish for Horan to continue as he seems to be able to get the players to work hard, but he must not become a second Maughan, who was too stubborn to make changes or to pick certain players.
Who? Killer and Howley is it? TBH Killer hasn't done much of note this year. Nor last year either.
Ah come off it, gettin a text message is grand, what do u expect, him to travel down to each lads house and hold them in his arms while he breaks the bad news? This i imagine would have been the policy all year so i dont think we should be complaining just because it we lost. I did question why Gibbons was named, dont know if he was really gonna offer anything, however which players did you think aside from him werent gonna get onto the pitch?
also i would have had feeney off alot earlier, o leary gave the gooch two or three great balls which when he's gettin the ball there he cant be stopped. Didnt think trevor actually did too bad either
Quote from: Bomber2312 on August 22, 2011, 10:11:14 PM
Ah come off it, gettin a text message is grand, what do u expect, him to travel down to each lads house and hold them in his arms while he breaks the bad news? This i imagine would have been the policy all year so i dont think we should be complaining just because it we lost. I did question why Gibbons was named, dont know if he was really gonna offer anything, however which players did you think aside from him werent gonna get onto the pitch?
We lost because we are not good enough, thats the simple answer. Picking up the phone to talk to a player is not driving all around the county. The following subs were never going to save the day IMO and in managements opinion.....
17) Alan Feeney - Castlebar Mitchels
18) Dermot Geraghty - Shrule-Glencorrib
19) Chris Barrett - Belmullet
21) James Kilcullen - Ballaghaderreen
23) Jason Gibbons
26) Mark Ronaldson - Shrule-Glencorrib
I might as well have included Keegan and Campbell in this as well. I believe that Ronaldson was out of the picture some months ago but was brought back for what?? He was never going to be played by Horan for some reason. I also believe that managment had lost faith in Alan Feeney. The rest are just not good enough IMO, and in managment opinion I believe.
I mentioned the interview the other evening with Jack O Connor stirring his tea and not a care in the world. As content a man as you could hope to see and it s easy now to see why. He had his homework done. He was happy he had Mayo sussed and as was evident yesterday his team was coming to the boil nicely.
I think it was Darragh O Sé that said that O Connor targets the opposition's strengths. Not their percieved weakness. It makes sense. Strengths win games while weakness only lose games. Jack O Se identified Mayo s strengths as midfield, Dillon and Andy Moran. I d suspect Jack O Connor had come to the same conclusion last few weeks and planned from there.
Our kick outs were targeted and ate alive ( he would have noted the Roscommon won a lot of our kickouts) with the big half back men pushing up for the breaks. With Kevin McLoughlin deeper we were hopelessly hammered and outnumbered there. On their own kickouts they took no chances and went short to the spare man. The ideal, calm dry conditions helped them move from defense to attack. Their kick passing is on the money. If ever we need a squall...... So they monopolised possession from the start. To have a chance yesterday it was Mayo that should have owned the ball.
By pushing his half backs up his 3 markers were left to their own devices. Tom O Sullivan came to terms with Varley after 20 mins and that was a turning point. O Connor trusted his best defender on Andy once he went inside. Good management. Others might have made a switch when Andy was so on his game, but he knew that Marc was the best man for the job - and with Andy doing well he did a good job. O Sé limited the damage as much as anybody could. He stayed on his feet and tried to push Moran wide and onto his weaker foot any time he got possession. We could have done with 2 Andys yesterday as he was needed on breaks as well. The Kerry back three being able to cope was a big factor in Kerry taking control after 20 mins. 5 points without reply was ominous.
Dillon wasn t givin an inch and not allowed any time to have an influence on the match. So 2 of O Connor's objectives were realised. Midfield possession and Dillons influence. Andy did well on probably the best defender last 10 years. Still 2 from 3 is not bad. With Mayo damaged where they were expecting to have an advantage O Connor would have been confident that they had enough quality in the forwards to get the scores.
Could we have done anything about it? I dunno. Looking at the subs lst at half time there wasn t a lot jumping out. Here we are suffering for the no-show of the last 4 years. Management has done well but you can t go from losing to Longford to beating kerry in an AI semi just like that. While we have good players and shape we just don t have enough depth in quality in the squad yet. Ronan and Peadar have been used to close games out. Not to change a game. We had nobody to make an impact. Ronan for Seamus O Sé was just one midfielder for another. Maybe Ronan could have been brought on earlier and Seamus left on too. We just needed more size in the middle third where we were losing the physical battle. Maybe a James Kilcullen to batter it out with Brosnan or O Mahoney. Looking at it from the Davin end I thought the Kerry corner backs looked too comfortable after 20 mins. Maybe we could have asked them different questions then. I thought we needed Freemans pace inside and I would have thrown in Aidan O Sé for a while too. Anyway it is all acedemic now and in no way a criticism of management. I m sure several possibilities were going through their heads and you go with what you believe is best and they know their players so....
As I said yesterday there is gulf between ourselves and Kerry. I don t think there is much difference in preparation and application anymore. But they are years ahead of us in most resourses like experience, team building, strength and conditioning. These can be rectified with time and hard work. There is also a gulf in skill levels and quality. Simply put they have more better players now. But that doesn t mean that s always going to be the way. They re still in a golden era, and for them a golden era, is a very richly talented place to be.
Anyway there is no point dwelling on Kerry too much. Next year we need to strengthen the panel and get back to the quarters at least. Front door or back door, it doesn t matter. Only by doing that can we build and compete with the best.
We need to find a few players. Too many of our subs yesterday looked like 'injury only' subs. If we are to go to another level I m not sure everybody that started yesterday either are good enough. But we can expect a good improvement from these players for next year. Off the top of my head 2 injured players - Harte and Howley - would have enjoyed yerterday s game. If we can add in 2 or 3 quality players over next couple of years we should be able to crank it up another level.
Well over 24 hrs on from our defeat, it aint hurting as bad as last night. Both perspective & hope came my way this evening to see a Mayo selector out coaching his clubs underage team.
Thinking about it now I feel we need a good competetive run in of the senior & intermediate championship.
After that we again have to aim to be back in an AI QF or S-final within the next 1 - 2 years. Kerry seem to know that instinctively, cork, tyrone and now the dubs have learned that. A decent team like Monaghan, who to be fair put it up to kerry for @ 2 years have fallen back after not making an positive statement at these latter stages. Heard D Brady saying this evening you learn a lot from S-Final defeats. Hope thats the case.
Look, we were whipped on the scoreboard I have to conceed, but I still cant believe were beaten by 9 points. All credit to the Ross minors & no offence meant but even though they lost by 2-3 points you got the feeling they were whipped.
Anyway we ll move on and watch how 2011 plays out. Time for tea.
Nephinman ;)
Quote from: saffronandblue on August 22, 2011, 10:28:22 PM
Quote from: Bomber2312 on August 22, 2011, 10:11:14 PM
Ah come off it, gettin a text message is grand, what do u expect, him to travel down to each lads house and hold them in his arms while he breaks the bad news? This i imagine would have been the policy all year so i dont think we should be complaining just because it we lost. I did question why Gibbons was named, dont know if he was really gonna offer anything, however which players did you think aside from him werent gonna get onto the pitch?
We lost because we are not good enough, thats the simple answer. Picking up the phone to talk to a player is not driving all around the county. The following subs were never going to save the day IMO and in managements opinion.....
17) Alan Feeney - Castlebar Mitchels
18) Dermot Geraghty - Shrule-Glencorrib
19) Chris Barrett - Belmullet
21) James Kilcullen - Ballaghaderreen
23) Jason Gibbons
26) Mark Ronaldson - Shrule-Glencorrib
I might as well have included Keegan and Campbell in this as well. I believe that Ronaldson was out of the picture some months ago but was brought back for what?? He was never going to be played by Horan for some reason. I also believe that managment had lost faith in Alan Feeney. The rest are just not good enough IMO, and in managment opinion I believe.
Thought Keegan held his own when he came on and scored a decent point. With Gardiner injured, thought he did well.
Quote from: saffronandblue on August 22, 2011, 10:28:22 PM
Quote from: Bomber2312 on August 22, 2011, 10:11:14 PM
Ah come off it, gettin a text message is grand, what do u expect, him to travel down to each lads house and hold them in his arms while he breaks the bad news? This i imagine would have been the policy all year so i dont think we should be complaining just because it we lost. I did question why Gibbons was named, dont know if he was really gonna offer anything, however which players did you think aside from him werent gonna get onto the pitch?
We lost because we are not good enough, thats the simple answer. Picking up the phone to talk to a player is not driving all around the county. The following subs were never going to save the day IMO and in managements opinion.....
17) Alan Feeney - Castlebar Mitchels
18) Dermot Geraghty - Shrule-Glencorrib
19) Chris Barrett - Belmullet
21) James Kilcullen - Ballaghaderreen
23) Jason Gibbons
26) Mark Ronaldson - Shrule-Glencorrib
I might as well have included Keegan and Campbell in this as well. I believe that Ronaldson was out of the picture some months ago but was brought back for what?? He was never going to be played by Horan for some reason. I also believe that managment had lost faith in Alan Feeney. The rest are just not good enough IMO, and in managment opinion I believe.
So essentially we had no one on the bench that was gonna play a positive role? out of interest who would have been on your bench?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 22, 2011, 10:01:33 PM
Who? Killer and Howley is it? TBH Killer hasn't done much of note this year. Nor last year either.
Howley would be thereabouts if he wasn t injured so much. Sure he captained the team in a match in spring. They obviously made a decision about the other one for a reason.
Where's the lad Kilcoyne these days?
He'd be a big addition to that forward line.
Quote from: Bomber2312 on August 22, 2011, 10:39:22 PM
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Quote from: Bomber2312 on August 22, 2011, 10:11:14 PM
Ah come off it, gettin a text message is grand, what do u expect, him to travel down to each lads house and hold them in his arms while he breaks the bad news? This i imagine would have been the policy all year so i dont think we should be complaining just because it we lost. I did question why Gibbons was named, dont know if he was really gonna offer anything, however which players did you think aside from him werent gonna get onto the pitch?
We lost because we are not good enough, thats the simple answer. Picking up the phone to talk to a player is not driving all around the county. The following subs were never going to save the day IMO and in managements opinion.....
17) Alan Feeney - Castlebar Mitchels
18) Dermot Geraghty - Shrule-Glencorrib
19) Chris Barrett - Belmullet
21) James Kilcullen - Ballaghaderreen
23) Jason Gibbons
26) Mark Ronaldson - Shrule-Glencorrib
I might as well have included Keegan and Campbell in this as well. I believe that Ronaldson was out of the picture some months ago but was brought back for what?? He was never going to be played by Horan for some reason. I also believe that managment had lost faith in Alan Feeney. The rest are just not good enough IMO, and in managment opinion I believe.
So essentially we had no one on the bench that was gonna play a positive role? out of interest who would have been on your bench?
I believe that Moysider has expressed my view of the subs a lot better than I could have done myself.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 22, 2011, 10:53:13 PM
Where's the lad Kilcoyne these days?
He'd be a big addition to that forward line.
How's that?
He's fast and direct.
At least he was last time I saw him.
Was being the key word there jinxy I'm afraid. He's dropped because he hasn't recaptured his form of 2/3 years ago in my opinion.
Quote from: saffronandblue on August 22, 2011, 10:57:05 PM
Quote from: Bomber2312 on August 22, 2011, 10:39:22 PM
Quote from: saffronandblue on August 22, 2011, 10:28:22 PM
Quote from: Bomber2312 on August 22, 2011, 10:11:14 PM
Ah come off it, gettin a text message is grand, what do u expect, him to travel down to each lads house and hold them in his arms while he breaks the bad news? This i imagine would have been the policy all year so i dont think we should be complaining just because it we lost. I did question why Gibbons was named, dont know if he was really gonna offer anything, however which players did you think aside from him werent gonna get onto the pitch?
We lost because we are not good enough, thats the simple answer. Picking up the phone to talk to a player is not driving all around the county. The following subs were never going to save the day IMO and in managements opinion.....
17) Alan Feeney - Castlebar Mitchels
18) Dermot Geraghty - Shrule-Glencorrib
19) Chris Barrett - Belmullet
21) James Kilcullen - Ballaghaderreen
23) Jason Gibbons
26) Mark Ronaldson - Shrule-Glencorrib
I might as well have included Keegan and Campbell in this as well. I believe that Ronaldson was out of the picture some months ago but was brought back for what?? He was never going to be played by Horan for some reason. I also believe that managment had lost faith in Alan Feeney. The rest are just not good enough IMO, and in managment opinion I believe.
So essentially we had no one on the bench that was gonna play a positive role? out of interest who would have been on your bench?
I believe that Moysider has expressed my view of the subs a lot better than I could have done myself.
Who are the alternatives?
Quote from: Bomber2312 on August 23, 2011, 12:51:49 AM
Quote from: saffronandblue on August 22, 2011, 10:57:05 PM
Quote from: Bomber2312 on August 22, 2011, 10:39:22 PM
Quote from: saffronandblue on August 22, 2011, 10:28:22 PM
Quote from: Bomber2312 on August 22, 2011, 10:11:14 PM
Ah come off it, gettin a text message is grand, what do u expect, him to travel down to each lads house and hold them in his arms while he breaks the bad news? This i imagine would have been the policy all year so i dont think we should be complaining just because it we lost. I did question why Gibbons was named, dont know if he was really gonna offer anything, however which players did you think aside from him werent gonna get onto the pitch?
We lost because we are not good enough, thats the simple answer. Picking up the phone to talk to a player is not driving all around the county. The following subs were never going to save the day IMO and in managements opinion.....
17) Alan Feeney - Castlebar Mitchels
18) Dermot Geraghty - Shrule-Glencorrib
19) Chris Barrett - Belmullet
21) James Kilcullen - Ballaghaderreen
23) Jason Gibbons
26) Mark Ronaldson - Shrule-Glencorrib
I might as well have included Keegan and Campbell in this as well. I believe that Ronaldson was out of the picture some months ago but was brought back for what?? He was never going to be played by Horan for some reason. I also believe that managment had lost faith in Alan Feeney. The rest are just not good enough IMO, and in managment opinion I believe.
So essentially we had no one on the bench that was gonna play a positive role? out of interest who would have been on your bench?
I believe that Moysider has expressed my view of the subs a lot better than I could have done myself.
Who are the alternatives?
Seeing as I m being dragged into this, what do you mean by alternatives?
To be honest I wasn t talking about different personnel in the subs. That was our panel. But we didn t have the time to get serious alternatives. That takes years. Look at Kerry - they can hold a multible AI winner like Galvin to make a huge imact. And he is some serious player. To hell with the begrudgers he has some radar for breaks and the bloody game in general. One point he took he was in a different time zone, and he was laughing after his last score against us. That doesn t bother me. If we had a natioal team Galvin is automatic choice. Peple might take the piss out of his fashion persona but he one of the best footballers.
We ve had a good team with a good shape about us in a management's first year. They ve done a good job to get a competitive team out there coming from the pits they ve come from. We re really now where we should have been in 08/09 ( allowing one year for a hangover) We re still playing catch-up with Kerry. Yesterday s bench was weak and underdeveloped because of stuff that happened before Horan became manager. Jack O Connor winning another AI would be easier than what JH has achieved this year. And I dont say that lightly. Give JH time to develop a serious team and panel. He has to be tough. This team/panel will change next year. I suspect it has changed in his mind already.
Refreshing to see the Mayo supporters looking on the bright side. I wonder have Mayo swapped the House of Pain for http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FrXWiIg8QM
Oh the bitter taste of defeat!
As the token Mayo lad in the office, people are coming up to me at work over the past couple of days asking was I at the match and looking for a sort of anecdote or explanation of what happened on Sunday. I feel awkward and can't bear the questions and wish it would stop as I don't really have all the answers and could care less to explain it to people who may not be able to follow.
So instead of going into an in-depth analysis and analysing it properly with people who don't have a clue, I am rhyming off the same clichés and one liners like a broken record just to dodge the questions, get out of the situation and shorten the conversation.
"I am not disappointed really"
"It was a spirited performance"
"We were beaten by a better team"
"At least we didnt fold and roll over like before"
"We have a lot to build on and to look forward to "
"If Kerry hadnt got that goal..."
"If Mayo had got a few of the goal chances..."
Those ones seem to get me out of most situations.
However there is the odd Galway fella with a smarmy remark that is still twisting the knife and they keep asking:
"What happened ye?"
"You were full of confidence, what happened?"
"I thought ye would beat Kerry and ye let yourselves down again?"
"You never explained what happened, are ye just shite now again? "
I expect these questions to linger for a number of days and they will eventually come to the conclusion that Mayo bottled it again against Kerry in Croke Park, but we can take solace in knowing we didn't bottle anything, and can be proud of the performance against Kerry.
And I don't know what it is, but for the first time in a long time I can't really bear reading much of this thread or other sites and blogs since long before the ball was thrown in. There has been quite the explosion of new Mayo posters which has really added to the debate but if we are all honest, a lot of it is just a repeat of what was written on a previous page by someone else and rehashed it a bit. Personally I can't bring myself to contribute to these threads as much anymore as everything is being said and I don't want to sound repetitive as that's just tiring for everyone. The "+1's" are doing me just fine. Maybe George Orwells prediction in 1984 of every concept being expressed by one or very few words is coming true.
Whatever about that, I will break loose here and have a good rant as it could be my last for a long time.
Before the Mayo Vs. Kerry game the script was written and well rehearsed not only on this thread, but on many a internet forum and blog, in every local shop, public house and outside every church in Mayo. Everyone knew their role and the stage was ready. The dog on the street knew how to beat Kerry, or so he thought.
"Mayo needs a good start." "They have to contain Kerry." "Mayo can't concede early goals."
"Mayo have to win midfield." "If we win midfield we have a chance."
"Kerry backs are past it." "The Kerry defence is too old. "
"Mayo forwards can trouble them." "Mayo forwards are fast buckeens"
"<Insert Mayo full forward player name here> is good for a goal"
"<Insert random Mayo player name here> is due a big game"
And it almost went according to plan; in the first half anyway. But like a movie arch plot in the second half Kerry (the bad guy in my movie) grew with menacing confidence and there was a period where Mayo seemed to ignore the script, and so, the wheels came off the chariot and unfortunately the director didn't get the fairytale happy ending that was originally scripted. The players just stopped believing for a while and seemed to pay the price.
I think I am sickened and disappointed as I genuinely thought we could pull it off so I am left with a bitter taste after Sunday. But I have to say I am still proud of Mayo as they fought to the bitter end.
Horan has restored the pride again and for the first time in a long time I wore a Mayo jersey to the game and I am relieved to say that I wasn't sipping up my jacket and covering it with embarrassment and leaving Croke Park with my tail between my legs. For that I think we are all thankful, and if other counties don't understand that then they don't know what it's like to have been in those situations, and they should hope they never are.
As well as the pride being back, it was heartening to see the fans are back too and hopefully they are here to stay. This year was the first time in a while Mayo people have dared to dream and hope again which was something denied in the recent past. Hopefully we will see bigger numbers at next year's Connacht championship and we might even hear a few more "Maayoo, Maayoo" chants that rang out in Croke park on Sunday.
Regarding the performance, I think it's far better to have honestly given your all and fall short than to have not shown up at all and get steam rolled. The scoreboard might have flattered Kerry a bit but they were the better team and really showed it in the second half.
I find the game itself very hard to analyse as a lot of things happened. I probably need to sit down and have another look at it to absorb it all properly. But I don't think the 9 point margin was a true reflection of how far we were away from Kerry. I felt it was a much closer game than the scoreboard gave us credit for.
Hindsight is a great thing, and you could be forever talking about the "what if's" in a game but I believe we might have gotten closer to Kerry if the work-rate hadn't dipped a bit in the second half, for that period where Kerry were gaining confidence. At that stage of the game I remember seeing Tom Cunniffe bent over with his hands on his knees; not from a belt, the lad was only trying to breath, actually breath; he was working so hard. Another one or two had the hands on the hips gasping for air such was the level of work-rate they had put in to match and contain Kerry.
I think McLoughlin sweeping in the first half kept us in the game as Kerry didn't want to kick it in on top of an extra defender. This coupled with the fact that the ball going into Donaghy wasn't great and at times it was often over cooked or too high for him due is significant pressure out the pitch. As well as that, Cafferkey had the winning of the 50-50 balls so their attacking threat was diminished somewhat in that first half. It probably resulted in Kerry having an extra man around the middle for the breaks but everyone presumed Mayo would have enough at midfield to win primary possession but it didn't really work out that way. McLoughlin's move deep also seemed to allow lots of space of our forwards which we capitalised on in the first half. Unfortunately McLoughlin didn't get forward enough when he had to be effective, and it was nowhere near the performance he had against Cork where he got 1-01.
The turning point for me was Donaghy moving to midfield and McLoughlin moving out from his sweeping role. Suddenly it seemed that the tides had turned and it was the Kerry forwards that had the room and space inside and Gooch made the most of it. I have to say I thought Cunniffe did very well in the first half and held the Gooch to a single point from play. Cafferkey also had a great first half and seemed to frustrate and have the beating of Donaghy. But in the second half, the space Kerry forwards had, the drop in workrate out the pitch, the tiring of Mayos midfield, and the tiring of Cunniffe all contributed to giving Kerry the space to do serious damage.
Then you have the Gooch factor. I am convinced that this guy is the greatest player we have ever seen in the game. He will be to Gaelic football what Pele and Maradona is to soccer. We will be telling our grand kids about the times we saw him play and he was a joy to behold the last day. I don't think there was a defender in the county let alone country that would have held him for the whole game, which is why I might have tried to use two, and maybe kept McLoughlin back there to protect the full back line. But as I said, hindsight is a great thing.
Regarding Mayo's potential goal chances, I am of the belief the most of Mayo's were half goal chances apart from Vaughan's (who was fantastic by the way) who should have hit his low. A lot of Andy Moran's chances were only half chances in my book as when you get the ball, and have to take on a defender and beat a keeper it's a lot to ask. A clear cut goal chance is a one-on-one against the keeper, and for most of Andy's chances he had a defender hanging off him. I hope he gets an All-Star this year as he deserves it and has been exceptional all year and is a true leader out there for Mayo.
As well as all of that there were a few underperformances that cost us. Seamus O Shea, Richie Feeney and in particular Alan Freeman and McGarity for the time he was on were all disappointing. Cunniffe got a savage roasting in the second half but I dont think we had the man marker or the cover on the bench to save him. Freeman just played poorly and maybe the occasion and opposition got to him. The pace of the game seemed to catch Feeney and O Shea. McGarity was brought in to take the game by scruff of the neck, but like against Cork in the NFL final, and against Tyrone in 2008 he looked fairly poor coming off the bench. Instead of imposing himself he stayed out of the thick of the action and didn't try and get forward to impose himself which was disappointing.
All in all, there is probably a gulf in skill and experience between Mayo and Kerry. As Moy mentioned, this is another golden era for Kerry and they just happen to have exceptional talent at the minute. We might close the gap with more work-rate and experience, and the skill levels can only improve with experience so there is hope for the future.
It was an amazing few weeks and the build up was really enjoyable. The national Media got behind the fairytale. On Saturday you had Newstalk broadcasting from Ballina, all that morning Brady was on 2FM and the national papers seemed to get behind Mayo all week too. It was an incredible journey, for a team who nearly lost to London that scary day in Ruslip, then toppled the reigning champions and dared to defy the critics and beat Kerry in Croke Park. It was amazing stuff that we should be thankful to the players and management for.
To finish up, in 9 months Horan has done more than John O Mahoney has done in 4 years. That's a cold hard fact. He has done an excellent job, and I knew he would after the work he did to bring us to a county title last year. Mayo still have a lot of building to do as I think there is room on the panel for another influx of players that this year may have came too soon for them. There is still lot of talent in the county at club level and this run in the All Ireland series should only lift everyone. If we continue on the upward curve, and improve only half as much next year then it should only be a matter of time for Mayo, and I am a firm believer in that. Maigh Eo Abu!
At this moment in time it's difficult to see how exactly the team or squad will develop to one which can challenge kerry. Mortimer and Andy, the best players this year are probably the longest serving and cant improve further. The O'sheas are'nt mobile enough for midfield. Freeman has gone back from last year and Doherty has not held any consistancy. Mark R is probably still one of the best club forwards but it looks like he's not in the plans, who can be drafted in to score 5-6 points from play in big games. While Horan has made strides, the first year seems to be the one where the biggest gains are made for any manager and next years will tell alot. We still need another top class defender and scoring forward and elimating the bad mistakes and then some luck against the better teams
Quote from: boosabum on August 23, 2011, 12:37:57 PM
At this moment in time it's difficult to see how exactly the team or squad will develop to one which can challenge kerry. Mortimer and Andy, the best players this year are probably the longest serving and cant improve further. The O'sheas are'nt mobile enough for midfield. Freeman has gone back from last year and Doherty has not held any consistancy. Mark R is probably still one of the best club forwards but it looks like he's not in the plans, who can be drafted in to score 5-6 points from play in big games. While Horan has made strides, the first year seems to be the one where the biggest gains are made for any manager and next years will tell alot. We still need another top class defender and scoring forward and elimating the bad mistakes and then some luck against the better teams
The blueprint is there from Cork and Armagh.
Keep developing, keep working on fitness and physicality, gain more experience, cut out mistakes, gain a couple of more young players (and they are out there from minor teams of 08/09), hold onto your more senior players.
At least 6/7 of Kerrys points from the 30 to 50 mins came directly from Mayo mistakes/stupid frees. Cut that in half next year and instead of the goal getting it back to a 5 point gap its a 1 or 2 point gap. Do that and your in the game with 10 mins to go.
Powerful post Abbeysider. I don't know where you get the time to compose such a post during a working day !
A few of my thoughts....
Embarrassed
that was the thought that was foremost in my mind when i left Croke Park and time hasn't change that so much. Losing an All-Ireland semi-final by 9 pts against a time who are only a shadow of the same team from 4 to 5 years ago can not be viewed in any other light imho. It may sound harsh but i don't find any great solace in reflecting on a positive year.
Positive year
Yes, absolutely, the goals were achieved. But the goals were achieved after the Cork match. Judging the last part of the season in isolation, i.e.: from the position we found ourselves in at the full time whistle in the Cork match to the end of the Kerry match ..... well it can only be considered as a failure - hence my point 1 - embarrassed.
Naievty
There was quite a bit of innocence about the Mayo team during the Kerry purple patch. They had a run on us and yet we had no on-field leaders who took it on themselves to do whatever it took ... from positioning themselves in a deeper role for a few minutes (in front of Gooch - although Cafferkey should have been switched on to him after Gooch had his first 2 pts in the second half) to feigning injury after Kerry win a breaking ball to a bit of rough house tackling after Kerry win another break ... or whatever. At this level of football you can't allow a team to have a 6 or 7 score run on you in a very short duration. No way in hell Kerry would have allowed it.
The players
As with almost everyone i am very proud of them up to the point of the end of the Cork game. However, after the Kerry game it seems that no one here is willing to highlight inadequacies, under-performances, etc. No harm for this type of stuff to be debated in public forums .... last thing we want is for the Mayo team on mass to be sitting on bar stools this week feeling happy with themselves and their performance against Kerry. No problem with the week of unwinding drinking a few pints but bitter disappointment should be the name of the game for this week. If the players can't handle a few constructive comments being aired in the public domain then i would have to question their mental fortitude. Time allows me just to comment on a few players.....
Hennelly .... massive potential but caused a goal and a point. Needs to learn where the limit of his responsibility lies. He should not be contesting every high ball that comes within 6 or 7 yards of his line (he was lucky a few times against Cork in this regard). Also, kicking the ball with the outside of the boot from close to the sideline to a corner back in front of the goals is fine 9 times out of 10 ..... but thats not a high enough percentage to deem it as acceptable risk. There was a simple handpass available to him and he should have took it. Needs to have a plan B for kickouts.
Vaughan ..... hard to argue with a man that holds Declan O'Sullivan so quite and score 3 pts from centre back.... but where was the physical presence under the breaking ball, where were the hits like Trevor Mortimer dished out. If he could learn to throw himself about in a more aggressive manner then combined with his athleticism he could become a 'though shalt not pass' centre back - the man of steel at the front of Fort Knox. Without that attribute then 'nice' is the insulting word that could be used.
O'Shea ...... oh what to do with him - how do you make a man more mobile ? or probably more a case of make him quicker and sharper during game time. I just don't know. Too good to not be playing but where and how ?!?!
Dillon ..... a leader but the game slows up too much when it goes through him a la Ciaran McDonald. He waits that extra second or 2 while waiting for the perfect pass. I was not impressed with him on Sunday - who had a bigger influence on the game, Dillon or his man ? Maybe better off on the inside line - feeding off Moran ?
Freeman ..... a bit of 2nd season syndrome perhaps but needs to develop a tough ruthless mental edge for next year. I thought from watching him last year that he had this in spades but it wasn't there on Sunday. Too many silly mistakes ...... once the easy point option in the first half ended up in the keepers hands then he was not able to turn and i would have taken him off instead of Seamus O'Se
Management
No doubt a major success albeit errors made on Sunday. Undoubtedly however it will now be an even bigger challenge to bring the team on a step further next year. How are they going to freshen it up to do that ? I believe the strength and conditioning program carries on into the next phase so benefits should be seen from that anyway but that's only a part of the jigsaw.
One thing that has dumbfounded though me is how Horan is able to hold down a management job in a multinational that is a 40 minute drive from where he lives, have 4 young kids and manage an inter-country team like Mayo. How is that sustainable ? John O'Mahony wasn't even that busy !
Aidan Walsh,Neil Douglas were two fine under aged Mayo forwards why are these guys not getting a chance at senior level?
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 22, 2011, 09:37:46 PM
Slightly distubing to hear David Brady on Newstalk this evening describing Colm Cooper as a "class piece of ass".
wonder what he would say if he seen the photo some fella sent me, one of those Kerry men running about with his willie flailing about :o
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 22, 2011, 09:37:46 PM
Slightly distubing to hear David Brady on Newstalk this evening describing Colm Cooper as a "class piece of ass".
He can be quite disturbing to listen to.
He described one of the Dublin backs as orgasmic a week ago.
He also uses the word 'sexy' a lot.
Brady's touch line chat on Sunday was strange as well, O'Shea's brothers.. if you can't beat them join them?
A few of my thoughts....
Embarrassed
that was the thought that was foremost in my mind when i left Croke Park and time hasn't change that so much. Losing an All-Ireland semi-final by 9 pts against a time who are only a shadow of the same team from 4 to 5 years ago can not be viewed in any other light imho. It may sound harsh but i don't find any great solace in reflecting on a positive year.
I wouldnt go as far as saying that you should be embarrrassed Blast but you did hit the nail on the head with the above comment. I expected Mayo to do much better. Especially after improving in every match this year and beating Cork.
I dont think the 9 point margin flatters Kerry at all. They had 2 clear goal chances in the 1st five minutes that would have put them out of sight. Andy Moran had 3 chances but they were'nt as clear cut and I thought he should have taken a point with two of them. Yet I agree with Blast that Kerry are in decline.
I rate Andy very highly but despite him winning alot of ball and scoring 2 points I thought Marc O'Se contained him well. Surely Moran's power and ability to drive with the ball would have been much more useful out around midfield where they were being cleaned ?
Dont get Muppet's issue with the ref either. Mayo constantly fouled cynically. Higgin's and O'Se could easily have walked. The targeting of Galvin when he came in was immature and a total distraction with him having the last laugh with his 2 points at the final whistle.
Maybe I over rated Mayo and Connacht football going in to this match but I expected them to be much closer or even be able to put Kerry away. Its still a year of progress of course but Galway with a decent manager like Mulholland are bound to get their act together next season. No guarantee Mayo or the Rossies will improve on this season but at least Connacht will be very competitive and that in itself will raise the bar.
Quote from: ross matt on August 23, 2011, 05:15:45 PM
A few of my thoughts....
Embarrassed
that was the thought that was foremost in my mind when i left Croke Park and time hasn't change that so much. Losing an All-Ireland semi-final by 9 pts against a time who are only a shadow of the same team from 4 to 5 years ago can not be viewed in any other light imho. It may sound harsh but i don't find any great solace in reflecting on a positive year.
I wouldnt go as far as saying that you should be embarrrassed Blast but you did hit the nail on the head with the above comment. I expected Mayo to do much better. Especially after improving in every match this year and beating Cork.
I dont think the 9 point margin flatters Kerry at all. They had 2 clear goal chances in the 1st five minutes that would have put them out of sight. Andy Moran had 3 chances but they were'nt as clear cut and I thought he should have taken a point with two of them. Yet I agree with Blast that Kerry are in decline.
I rate Andy very highly but despite him winning alot of ball and scoring 2 points I thought Marc O'Se contained him well. Surely Moran's power and ability to drive with the ball would have been much more useful out around midfield where they were being cleaned ?
Dont get Muppet's issue with the ref either. Mayo constantly fouled cynically. Higgin's and O'Se could easily have walked. The targeting of Galvin when he came in was immature and a total distraction with him having the last laugh with his 2 points at the final whistle.
Maybe I over rated Mayo and Connacht football going in to this match but I expected them to be much closer or even be able to put Kerry away. Its still a year of progress of course but Galway with a decent manager like Mulholland are bound to get their act together next season. No guarantee Mayo or the Rossies will improve on this season but at least Connacht will be very competitive and that in itself will raise the bar.
There s no good way to lose a match. If you go close people point out where you choke, lost it on the line, blah, blah and blah. If you lose by 5 or more its called a trashing.
Now I m not going to tell anybody that they should not be embarrassed by what they saw the last day. People are entitled to feel any way they want. I m wasn t exactly happy either. But I wasn t surprised by the margin of defeat and I would not have been surprised if it was greater. Did I think it would be closer. Yes, and I even gave us a 30% chance of winning. But for that to happen, not only would we have had to be brilliant on the day, Kerry would have to be seriously in decline. And they are not. Some of the greats are retired but there is more than enough quality left to be still no.1 by some distance. Sure they are beatable I suppose, but if they figure out how to beat a team they ll do it in style. I ll put it this way. I won nice money on the Cork result but I kept my hands firmly in my pocket the last day even with the generous odds flying about. Maybe Mayo could have kept the score down more, but that would not mean that they re better than they are. Imagine the reaction if Mayo did damage limitation and didn t actually try to win the match. The reality is the Mayo are one of only 3 teams to have lost only once in the championship. These players have to wait a long time to get this out of their system, unlike say the Waterford hurlers who had the chance to redeem themselves in a matter of weeks and the humiliation forgotten. While we were not humiliated a lot of people will be spinning it that way. I dont think the year or the team is defined by that 9 point defeat. We are where we are and the trick now is to progress and not go backwards.
I think we will progress as long as the hard work is done. Andy Moran is an example of what can be achieved. He s stuck at it and finally became a top player this Summer. Even last Sring and later people were questioning his worth. We ve only seen the tip of the iceberg of Cunn, Caff, Vaughan, O Sés, McLoughlin, Freeman, O Connor. I cant make a judgement on Roscommon or Galway but I expect we ll be much stronger next year with more options in the panel.
Quote from: ross4life on August 23, 2011, 04:34:24 PM
Aidan Walsh,Neil Douglas were two fine under aged Mayo forwards why are these guys not getting a chance at senior level?
We haven't really seen Aidan Walsh at senior level yet. Douglas got a bit of a run in the league but picked up an injury. We also have Cathal Freeman who is another good young player who's injured this year.
I think thats part of the reason why Mayo folk aren't too disappointed. In '04 and '06 that was that teams peak, they weren't going to get much better. This team is young enough, with talent still coming through to improve considerably, which will be needed to win an AI
What's the story with Shane Nally? I thought he was the most likely young player to make it as a top quality senior player. Other than Cillian O'Connor I haven't seen a Mayo underage forward in the past few years who I felt would make it as a serious senior footballer .
Just looked at a bit of the match there again and David Coldrick was a joke of a ref. The lines men were no better either.
James Horan was right to say they needed to be assessed.
Obviously the ref took into account the comments Jack O'Connor made about Mayo's tackling before the game. He gave away a lot of soft frees to Kerry in the first half. Whereas Mayo really had to earn their frees. The Kerry backs where always pulling the the Mayo's forwards jerseys which the umpires should have noticed. Andy Moran should have got a peno 'cause Marc O'se was hanging off him when he hit the post. Also the amount of time Kerry wasted taking their frees was a joke when you think young Cillian O'Connor took 40 odd seconds in Hyde Park in gael force winds in his first Connacht final to take his and was then taken away from him. At one stage the Kerry players didn't know who their free taker was just to waste time.
How Mayo had 15 men on the pitch at full time is beyond me. I think the reason why Aidan O'Shea didn't get sent off was because Paul Galvin was over dramatic when fell down .He went to hold the back of his head first when it was the side of his head that got the elbow. The lines man should have clearly seen Keith Higgins knee Darran O'Sullivan. I don't know where the ref was when Donal Vaughan hit one of the Kerry players but i'm sure one of the officals should have seen it.
David Coldrick and the other officals were a disgrace.
will you hould onto the name for another year for the craic ?
DARRAGH Ó SÉ
THE MIDDLE THIRD: Colm Cooper's genius helped Kerry overcome Mayo and if Dublin adopt a high-tempo game they can overcome dogged Donegal to clinch a coveted final place against the Kingdom
A GOOD semi-final win can calm a lot of minds. People in Kerry were getting a bit edgy and a bit worried going into last Sunday purely because they hadn't had any top-quality opposition to overcome on the way there. It was playing on everyone's mind going in and it made people nervous. In the end, the nine-point win was down to that nervousness. Kerry wanted a big performance and they got it.
Above all, they got it from Colm Cooper. Most players are just normal. They have to do what their bodies allow them.
I've often been in training sessions that were going badly or played on teams that were losing and have heard the word coming from the sideline to work harder and to lift it and get into it. And at the back of your mind, you're always thinking, "Well feck you anyway, this isn't just a matter of flicking a switch and suddenly everything will work like it's supposed to".
Except with the Gooch.
He's one of the few people I've ever seen who can do that. He can just flick a switch and make it work and when he does, it's usually game over. No better example than the goal he got on Sunday.
A few things stood for me about his goal. The first was that he'd no right to get it. That ball into the Canal End belonged to either the Mayo goalkeeper or the full back, but Colm got in there and caused enough disruption for it to hop clear of them.
The second was that when it did, a point would have been plenty.
Watch where he was when he collected the ball into him – on the 13-metre line, facing Hill 16, with three Mayo defenders and the Robbie Hennelly between him and the net. Most players would have just hooked a shot over their shoulder and taken an easy point.
But the Gooch wanted a goal to suck the life out of Mayo who had just got one down the other end.
The third thing was his balance.
That particular area of Croke Park is by far the slippiest part of the pitch. From the end-line out to the 21 can be like an ice-rink at times. They've managed to rectify the problem with the rest of the pitch, but you still see lads slipping down that end the whole time. I'm not much of an expert now, but I'm convinced it's something to do with the fact that it's the last bit of the field that gets the sun in a day.
Go back over the last few years and think of the incidents of fellas slipping at that end of Croke Park at crucial times. Darren O'Sullivan slipped kicking a penalty in 2009. Eoin Kelly of Tipperary slipped when he was taking a shot for goal against Kilkenny in the 2009 final.
Even watch the Gooch's goal again from Sunday and keep an eye on Hennelly – just as Colm turns Tom Cunniffe, the Mayo goalkeeper slips and goes on his hands and knees for a split second. If it was a road it would be an accident black spot.
But the Gooch is like a cat. He doesn't fall. He tells his body what the story is and unlike the rest of us, his body listens. The angle of his turn left Cunniffe standing, the balance meant he could turn tighter than anyone expected and the whip on his turn made the space for him to get a shot away on his left foot. He made that goal out of nothing at all. He flicked a switch and the game was over.
Mayo were in the game at half-time, but I felt that was because Kerry did a lot of messing about with the ball out around midfield. Time after time, they took a hop and a solo before delivering it in. You have no idea how much damage that does to the runs being made inside. It meant the Mayo defence had time to set themselves and so the forwards inside looked worse than they were. Whoever Kerry meet in the final, that ball has to go in quicker.
Kerry's defence had a great day. People have questioned a lot of them, from Brendan Kealy in goal all the way up. But they all played well. Kealy has had a massive job on his hands taking over from Diarmuid Murphy but he's come on an awful lot.
Aidan O'Mahony had his best game for Kerry for a few years, Killian Young was back to his 2007 form. Tomás Ó Sé came through the hamstring problem he'd had at the start of the week and drove on and Eoin Brosnan showed everyone who's been waiting for the shoe to fall off that he's well capable of playing at number six.
Paul Galvin really stood out when he came on. His discipline was very noticeable because Mayo were laying it on pretty hot and heavy.
I've given James Horan plenty of credit here for what he's done with Mayo in his first year, but I thought they overdid the cynical stuff on Sunday. They were fouling out the field, slowing the play down, interrupting the rhythm of the game and throwing in some desperate tackles that caught players high at times. And when Galvin came on, they were lining up to provoke him.
But he just played his game and played it very well. Even though David Coldrick – who I thought had a poor game – was basically sending a message to the Mayo players telling them they could do as they wished, Galvin just got on with it. His industry and bravery diving in for those balls was ferocious and he lifted the tempo of the game every time he got involved.
When you consider that he's coming in out of the cold without having played a full game for Kerry for a couple of years, giving the run-around to someone like Trevor Mortimer, who has had a super year, was some achievement.
Last week, I wondered how Mayo would use their Plan B in Ronan McGarrity without really thinking about Kerry's Plan B in Galvin. Jack O'Connor used him to perfection and as a result, McGarrity had no effect on the game.
Anthony Maher and Seamus O'Shea were the two stand-out midfielders on show on Sunday. Bryan Sheehan suffered the same downfall as some of the other Kerry players in that first half in that he didn't get the ball into the forwards with the pace needed to break down a defence that is trying to clog the whole thing up.
That won't do against Dublin or Donegal in the final
Quote from: Zulu on August 24, 2011, 03:58:29 PM
What's the story with Shane Nally? I thought he was the most likely young player to make it as a top quality senior player. Other than Cillian O'Connor I haven't seen a Mayo underage forward in the past few years who I felt would make it as a serious senior footballer .
Darren Coen might
watching the game again, horan made a huge mistake playing feeney in the corner....o'leary gave him a roasting! would love to know how many possesions that he had during the game
So sorry, we should have told ye about Kieran O'Leary ;)
Everyone is well aware of Kieran O'Leary, my question related to a player who is a half back and played there all year was placed in the corner.
Nothing worse than a smug winner
not a bit smug about me, but if you want me to start....
Shane Nallys form dipped for about a year, back playing well the last couple of months. The Hollymount-Costello Lads reckon that Coen is going bad at the moment but I think he will regain form also. Shaughnessy from Claremorris could have a chance in a year or two. Kilmaine have a big young lad at full forward Murphy could improve with coaching has a lot of attributes
Quote from: mckieran on August 22, 2011, 08:23:29 AM
Wow, I am little bit shocked at the amount of Mayo posters suggesting they are happy with the performance.
If ye are happy with that performance, then it tells a lot about the mentality in Mayo. And it certainly is not a 'winning mentality'. When this kind of attitude, ye will never win an AI. If Kerry were in Mayo's position yesterday, do you think their fans would be happy with the performance?
I have to agree with mckieran's comments. A lot of Mayo people i spoke to since Sunday seem almost proud of the fact that they only lost by 9 points.
The reality is that Mayo were a well beaten team long before the end,and for the last 25 minutes, it began to resemble a training session.
But it's not just Mayo. Many Roscommon people were wallowing in the fact that they were within 3 or 4 points of a spent force like Tyrone after 55 minutes. The fact that the crap was beaten out of them after 70 minutes seemed to be almost incidental.
We've just seen our provincial champions beaten 9 points by Kerry, which tells me that Connacht Football is in a bad place right now.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 22, 2011, 05:10:08 PM
Was talking to JH last nite, he was v disappointed as he felt Kerry were there for the taking and he could have switched markers on gooch
There isn't a man in Mayo that can mark Gooch. He destroys them anytime he plays against them in Croke Park.
Quote from: REDCOL on August 24, 2011, 05:54:55 PM
Shane Nallys form dipped for about a year, back playing well the last couple of months. The Hollymount-Costello Lads reckon that Coen is going bad at the moment but I think he will regain form also. Shaughnessy from Claremorris could have a chance in a year or two. Kilmaine have a big young lad at full forward Murphy could improve with coaching has a lot of attributes
A friend of mine told me a couple of years ago that Shane Nally would be a future captain if Mayo, I was wondering where he had gone to this year.
Quote from: FL/MAYO on August 24, 2011, 07:34:30 PM
Quote from: REDCOL on August 24, 2011, 05:54:55 PM
Shane Nallys form dipped for about a year, back playing well the last couple of months. The Hollymount-Costello Lads reckon that Coen is going bad at the moment but I think he will regain form also. Shaughnessy from Claremorris could have a chance in a year or two. Kilmaine have a big young lad at full forward Murphy could improve with coaching has a lot of attributes
A friend of mine told me a couple of years ago that Shane Nally would be a future captain if Mayo, I was wondering where he had gone to this year.
21s last year played Nally at MF and McLoughlin at CF, not a big success. Nally had the look at minor to be an outstanding wing back and a leader, would be great for him to fulfill on his potential.
Another lad that impressed me was Keith Rogers at FB in 2009 AI minor final, not heard much of him since.
Another one .... Michael Forde. Minor last year and a starter with U-21s this year. Called into senior panel a few weeks before London game but dislocated his shoulder a week later in Connacht junior semi v Ros. Looking at a comeback in new year.
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Quote from: FL/MAYO on August 24, 2011, 07:34:30 PM
Quote from: REDCOL on August 24, 2011, 05:54:55 PM
Shane Nallys form dipped for about a year, back playing well the last couple of months. The Hollymount-Costello Lads reckon that Coen is going bad at the moment but I think he will regain form also. Shaughnessy from Claremorris could have a chance in a year or two. Kilmaine have a big young lad at full forward Murphy could improve with coaching has a lot of attributes
A friend of mine told me a couple of years ago that Shane Nally would be a future captain if Mayo, I was wondering where he had gone to this year.
21s last year played Nally at MF and McLoughlin at CF, not a big success. Nally had the look at minor to be an outstanding wing back and a leader, would be great for him to fulfill on his potential.
Another lad that impressed me was Keith Rogers at FB in 2009 AI minor final, not heard much of him since.
Rogers impressed me as well as Keane the year before.
It took Caff a while to come through but I think he showed what he is made of against Donaghy.
Yeah. Manos de Piedra should get a great boost of confidence after that display.
Shrewdness- i will repeat again why Mayo people are proud of the team-
Teams do no focus on the score board when a match is over, they focus on the performance. This is also what the Mayo supporters are focusing on- the performance. The lads gave it everything they had and that is what we are proud of. The Mayo team did not have composure for the full 70Min's. They also lacked experience which Kerry have in bucket loads. There is no shame in losing to a better team, which Kerry were.
Many people said after the match the 9 points was not a true reflection of the match, which I believe is true.
People outside Mayo do not realise the humiliation and devastation the team and supporters went through last year after losing to Sligo and Longford in the championship.
It is a big leap to go from losing round 1 of the qualifers to an AI semi-final in just over 12 months. A lot of lads lost their confidence after last year and that had to be built up again this year. After the London game this year lads could have thought ''if we can just about beat London then what hope have we got against any one else''. But the lads being true Mayo men put it behind them and soldiered on.
The lads are young and it's only the start of a journey for them. This is not like 04/06 when the team were really at their peak.
If your not from Mayo then don't worry about us we are just fine. Go worry about your own county. (That is of course if they are still in it!!!!!!!!!!!!)
C'MON THE GREEN AND RED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Sam2011 on August 24, 2011, 09:20:24 PM
Teams do no focus on the score board when a match is over, they focus on the performance.
Why do we bother keeping score then?
Quote from: Sam2011 on August 24, 2011, 09:20:24 PM
. But the lads being true Mayo men
One of those who played last Sunday for the rhus is not. ;)
Quote from: Shrewdness on August 24, 2011, 07:02:05 PM
Quote from: mckieran on August 22, 2011, 08:23:29 AM
Wow, I am little bit shocked at the amount of Mayo posters suggesting they are happy with the performance.
If ye are happy with that performance, then it tells a lot about the mentality in Mayo. And it certainly is not a 'winning mentality'. When this kind of attitude, ye will never win an AI. If Kerry were in Mayo's position yesterday, do you think their fans would be happy with the performance?
I have to agree with mckieran's comments. A lot of Mayo people i spoke to since Sunday seem almost proud of the fact that they only lost by 9 points.
The reality is that Mayo were a well beaten team long before the end,and for the last 25 minutes, it began to resemble a training session.
But it's not just Mayo. Many Roscommon people were wallowing in the fact that they were within 3 or 4 points of a spent force like Tyrone after 55 minutes. The fact that the crap was beaten out of them after 70 minutes seemed to be almost incidental.
We've just seen our provincial champions beaten 9 points by Kerry, which tells me that Connacht Football is in a bad place right now.
You can read into it anything you want Shrewdness. If you calculate Connacht Football is in a bad place so what? It usually has been in my time anyway. Did Mayo beating the AI champions put Connacht in a better place for a few weeks? I don t think so either. Look every county in Connacht, except Mayo, had two stabs at the championship this year and overall didn t fare too well did they? And they weren t exactly playing the likes of Cork or Kerry either. Instead of seeking to suck humiliation and embarrassement from the Mayo s 9 point defeat for the province it might be more relevant to examine the entrails of the province from other counties failures to lesser teams weeks ago. Because if Mayo had managed to do better the last day - well that would have been just Mayo.
If you are meeting people that are proud of the team. Again it means nothing. Just like the Mayo fans that are annoyed or embarrassed aren t going to change things either.
The most alarming thing in all this is that people outside are trying to get a spin on this 9 points thing. As if it is likely that a new management and novice team can come from nowhere and win v Kerry. Possible but not likely. I m not surprised by the margin. At least half that margin is down to lack of experience and guile. The rest to Kerry s better quality.
Apart from Mayo 04,06,11 has any other provincial champion from Connacht won their next match since 01? Just making a point for those that are trying to spin Mayo as the team that are dragging down standards. Only in 09 did we fail to take the next step and we ve had to beat likes of Tyrone and Cork in those years. If ye all just want to take the Kerry matches in isolation off with ye.
Quote from: Sam2011 on August 24, 2011, 09:20:24 PM
Shrewdness- i will repeat again why Mayo people are proud of the team-
Teams do no focus on the score board when a match is over, they focus on the performance. This is also what the Mayo supporters are focusing on- the performance. The lads gave it everything they had and that is what we are proud of. The Mayo team did not have composure for the full 70Min's. They also lacked experience which Kerry have in bucket loads. There is no shame in losing to a better team, which Kerry were.
Many people said after the match the 9 points was not a true reflection of the match, which I believe is true.
People outside Mayo do not realise the humiliation and devastation the team and supporters went through last year after losing to Sligo and Longford in the championship.
It is a big leap to go from losing round 1 of the qualifers to an AI semi-final in just over 12 months. A lot of lads lost their confidence after last year and that had to be built up again this year. After the London game this year lads could have thought ''if we can just about beat London then what hope have we got against any one else''. But the lads being true Mayo men put it behind them and soldiered on.
The lads are young and it's only the start of a journey for them. This is not like 04/06 when the team were really at their peak.
If your not from Mayo then don't worry about us we are just fine. Go worry about your own county. (That is of course if they are still in it!!!!!!!!!!!!)
C'MON THE GREEN AND RED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Even though I replied as well we re wasting our breath. They just see what they want to see. It wont be long before the 'roll over' and 'lie down' shite starts again.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 24, 2011, 09:39:11 PM
Quote from: Sam2011 on August 24, 2011, 09:20:24 PM
Teams do no focus on the score board when a match is over, they focus on the performance.
Why do we bother keeping score then?
Obviously to know which team won.
When the lads come back later in the year to talk about the match and if James Horan gave all the lads a piece of paper with the score line and said, ''Well lads what do ye think?'' They wouldn't have an awful lot to say and they would learn nothing. Whereas if you look at the performance you will know where you went wrong and you can learn and know the next time not to do the same.
So GalwayBayBoy as I previously stated go worry about you own county.
ah jasus....
Quote from: Sam2011 on August 24, 2011, 10:22:48 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 24, 2011, 09:39:11 PM
Quote from: Sam2011 on August 24, 2011, 09:20:24 PM
Teams do no focus on the score board when a match is over, they focus on the performance.
Why do we bother keeping score then?
Obviously to know which team won.
When the lads come back later in the year to talk about the match and if James Horan gave all the lads a piece of paper with the score line and said, ''Well lads what do ye think?'' They wouldn't have an awful lot to say and they would learn nothing. Whereas if you look at the performance you will know where you went wrong and you can learn and know the next time not to do the same.
So GalwayBayBoy as I previously stated go worry about you own county.
You're fierce touchy considering I wasn't even having a go. Just seemed an odd thing to say. When you get to a semi-final or final all that matters is the result. If you get a performance as well then great but they are there to be won because you don't know when you will get back to one. I know this myself from following our own footballers and hurlers.
By the way there wouldn't be much discussion on here if you tell everyone who comments on a subject to go "worry about their own county".
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ah jasus....
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Super.....
Cally...
fragilistic
Mayo were atrocious! (just like ourselves! ;))
Quote from: moysider on August 24, 2011, 09:19:06 PM
Yeah. Manos de Piedra should get a great boost of confidence after that display.
as long as he play donaghy Every week. its every other player in the country that seems to bother him.
Quote from: rosnarun on August 25, 2011, 12:52:44 AM
Quote from: moysider on August 24, 2011, 09:19:06 PM
Yeah. Manos de Piedra should get a great boost of confidence after that display.
as long as he play donaghy Every week. its every other player in the country that seems to bother him.
Didn t do too badly when Dec was moved in either and he ended up on Gooch. I take your point though - but he s not our biggest concern.
Anyway welcome back Ros. But surely you have more than that to say about the whole business?
ya smoked me out .am enduring the painful process of rewatching . Cafferkey was excellent . 1st half mayo were for the most part excellent . some dodgy finishing and a couple of guys not at the races freeman and feeney in particular but they have had good days . i hadn't realise what a good half dillon actually had .
overall whil disappointed . i think it was an ordinary defeat would not heed the score too much . we were beaten by a better team on the day who pulled away after the match was won .unlike other defeats where we made up ground when it was too late. huge potential in this team let hope they are given a chance to meld and strengthen rather that a whole now raft of players coming in again/ like my point about caff we cant pick the team solely on the basis of how they did again individual kerry players.
maybe more after i can bring myself to rewatch the second half
First off, congratulations to Kerry who were well worth their win and thanks to JH & the Mayo team for an enjoyable summer supporting them – hard to believe when you think of the debacle that was almost Ruislip!!
Watched the 2nd half of the match on TV last night and wasn't as disappointed as I was after the match. There was 6 points (not that there's any pride in a 6 point defeat) in it with 71:30 on the clock and the late points for Kerry may not help them greatly when preparing for the final.
I think the big difference between the sides was that when Kerry made mistakes and gave away soft ball, Mayo didn't punish them; Mayo made more mistakes and Kerry were able to punish them for it a lot of the time. For example, A. Moran came as close to skinning MO'S as possible and scored 0-2, Gooch skinned Cunniffe in the 2nd half and scored 1-7.
I thought the team looked quite tired in the 2nd half and once Kerry started tacking on a couple of points, the gaps really started to appear as lads couldn't keep with the runners. Also, our tackling went down a level and we started giving away some soft frees. We also lost more ball in the tackle than Kerry. Mayo looked like a team trying to play a Tyrone-style game but it's not quite perfected it yet. They managed to maintain the intensity for the most part however.
I thought Mayo played a lot more cynically (e.g. forward checking the runner as the ball is played out of defence) than normal which is good to see – every team (incl Kerry e.g. Donaghy holding on to the ball for Mayo frees in the 2nd half) does it – like it or not, it's part and parcel of the game now. I thought AO'S was lucky not to get the line for the elbow, he didn't really connect but the intent was there. I thought Higgins' knee on DO'S wasn't that bad, it was little more than handbags stuff from what I saw, maybe a yellow but no way a red for me.
Hennelly: Could have done better in the lead up to the goal, needed to take both Cunniffe and Gooch out of it when he came for the ball. Was excellent with some very accurate short kickouts in the 2nd half.
Cunniffe: Struggled with Gooch when left without cover as most defenders would have. Has had a v good year in the corner though.
Cafferkey: Did very well on Donaghy although the pressure on the kicker from out the field also helped. Two good games in Croker, hopefully he can continue to improve there.
Higgins: Did well on the "danger man" DO'S and stopped him scoring a goal for the first time this year (Hennelly did help on that though!!). Overall has had a good year but needs to improve his discipline.
Feeney: Struggled a bit yesterday but has had a great first year.
Vaughan: Improved immensely in the last two matches and 0-3 is great going......should have been 1-2 though.
Mort: Played ok but not the stormer we needed him to have. Adds great physicality to the half back line and hopefully will pick up where he left off next year.
AO'S: I think some of the criticism of him has been a bit harsh. He gave it all to the very end and has a great knack of getting a hand in when tackling a player. Can he become more mobile though? Needs to lay off the ball sooner as well. Showed great power to burst through about 4 Kerry defenders before Brosnan got a good block in – could have squared the ball though.
SO'S: Unlucky to be taken off, I thought he had a good game. Hope he doesn't pick up any more injuries.
McLoughlin: One of Mayo's better players I thought and I think there's more to come in a Brian Dooher style role.
Dillon: I know someone said he had a v good half in the 1st half but I haven't re-watched that yet. Very quiet in the 2nd half. Considering he's our go-to man, he has had an average year and may not be a nailed on starter for next year.
Moran: Excellent year and left the best man-marker of the past 10 years in his wake a few times but should have made it count on the scoreboard.
Varley: Started very well and was well able to win his own ball against TO'Sull. Faded in the 2nd half but will be happy enough with his year, the competition between himself, Doc and the pretenders will be good next year.
Freeman: Disappointing year after being one of our few lights last year. Has the talent and will hopefully be better next year. Did well winning clean ball in the 2nd half but his distribution was desperate and should have been off earlier.
CO'C: Great goal, caught the Kerry lads napping. Massive first year, looks like a real good player.
McG: Tackled hard when he came on but didn't make the impact we needed from our star sub. Hopefully will stay fit for next year to challenge the O'Ses.
Keegan: Thought he did well enough when he came on. I haven't seen him play much but JH seems to like him.
Campbell: Did ok when he came on but the game was over.
Doherty: Poor enough when he came on but he's young and will be back for more.
Horan: Great first year, has learned from every game. Good tactics in the first half and obviously decided that we needed more up front in the 2nd half to try to put Kerry the back foot and in particular stop their short kickouts. Next year and the increased expectation will be tough for him.
Of the 19 players who played on Sunday, I'd say only 5 are older than 26/27? (McG, Moran, Dillon, Feeney & Mort) And although there's nothing to say we'll be back in Croker next year, it leaves us in good shape all the same.
Apart from the players mentioned in previous posts, off the top of my head there are some good footballers (not including the likes of Howley, Douglas etc who were on the panel this year) who will hopefully be back in with a shout next year if they can get back on form and if they want it:
Parsons
Harte
Killer
C Mort
Freeman
Benson
M Sweeney
K Keane
On Kerry, I'm not being sour when I say that a performance like Sunday's probably won't be enough to win the AI. They'll need to improve vastly but if there's one team & manager that can do it it's those cute hoors.
Maigh Eo abu
Cant agree with ya ther macdanger2 that Performance by kerry would probably have won the last 10-15 alIrelands for keryy as long as they were not playing Kerry
Looks like we were on the wrong side of the draw.
Pity, we would have taken Kerry in a Final.
Quote from: highorlow on August 29, 2011, 03:36:57 PM
Looks like we were on the wrong side of the draw.
Pity, we would have taken Kerry in a Final.
Great stuff we all need a laugh from yesterday.