Man Utd Thread:

[J70]

Looking forward to seeing Ole getting some success.... not least so that Seanie's tiresome Mourinho obsession can perhaps be laid to rest. 

Really hoping the same, however I believe he has been thrown in the deep end. I seen Gary Neville in an interview say the other day that he should be given time like Klopp. This statement is complete bulls***, Klopp was very successful at Dortmund and was one of the most sought after manager, Ole has came from a farmers league.

With James, Rashy, Martial, Pogba all playing well I think we will get back to the glory days sooner rather than later.

At a time, when he left Dortmund they were a shambles and he'd ran them into the ground and in the relegation zone if I recall. Liverpool should be wary history doesn't repeat.

Shambles?
Finished 7th in league,Won the German Super Cup, Runners up in the German Cup and last 16 of the Champions League..
His time was up with them no doubt and compared to previous seasons it wouldn't have been as good,but he hardly left them in a shambles.

Apologies, in the relegation zone most of first half of season. Got act together during last half of season but 7th in Germany is a disaster compared to 7th in England, say. Certainly wasn't an in demand manager. In fact it was only after he announced he was leaving Dortmund started to get the act together.

Liverpool took a gamble on him after giving Rodgers the road. Klopp was unemployed. I don't recall the doors being busted down at too many clubs to take him before Liverpool got in there.

Seriously?

Getting Klopp was an absolute triumph for Liverpool at the time.

And yeah, technically he was unemployed, the same as any highly successful multimillionaire taking a self-determined career sabbatical would be.

Hence, a lot of concern among Liverpool fans over the past few weeks about Klopp's comments that he may be taking another sabbatical at the end of his contract in 2022.

[Geoff Tipps]

Looking forward to seeing Ole getting some success.... not least so that Seanie's tiresome Mourinho obsession can perhaps be laid to rest. 

Really hoping the same, however I believe he has been thrown in the deep end. I seen Gary Neville in an interview say the other day that he should be given time like Klopp. This statement is complete bulls***, Klopp was very successful at Dortmund and was one of the most sought after manager, Ole has came from a farmers league.

With James, Rashy, Martial, Pogba all playing well I think we will get back to the glory days sooner rather than later.

At a time, when he left Dortmund they were a shambles and he'd ran them into the ground and in the relegation zone if I recall. Liverpool should be wary history doesn't repeat.

Shambles?
Finished 7th in league,Won the German Super Cup, Runners up in the German Cup and last 16 of the Champions League..
His time was up with them no doubt and compared to previous seasons it wouldn't have been as good,but he hardly left them in a shambles.

Apologies, in the relegation zone most of first half of season. Got act together during last half of season but 7th in Germany is a disaster compared to 7th in England, say. Certainly wasn't an in demand manager. In fact it was only after he announced he was leaving Dortmund started to get the act together.

Liverpool took a gamble on him after giving Rodgers the road. Klopp was unemployed. I don't recall the doors being busted down at too many clubs to take him before Liverpool got in there.

Thought your cousin UnderTheBar was the village idiot of this parish but he's got competition 

[Milltown Row2]

Looking forward to seeing Ole getting some success.... not least so that Seanie's tiresome Mourinho obsession can perhaps be laid to rest. 

Really hoping the same, however I believe he has been thrown in the deep end. I seen Gary Neville in an interview say the other day that he should be given time like Klopp. This statement is complete bulls***, Klopp was very successful at Dortmund and was one of the most sought after manager, Ole has came from a farmers league.

With James, Rashy, Martial, Pogba all playing well I think we will get back to the glory days sooner rather than later.

At a time, when he left Dortmund they were a shambles and he'd ran them into the ground and in the relegation zone if I recall. Liverpool should be wary history doesn't repeat.

Shambles?
Finished 7th in league,Won the German Super Cup, Runners up in the German Cup and last 16 of the Champions League..
His time was up with them no doubt and compared to previous seasons it wouldn't have been as good,but he hardly left them in a shambles.

Apologies, in the relegation zone most of first half of season. Got act together during last half of season but 7th in Germany is a disaster compared to 7th in England, say. Certainly wasn't an in demand manager. In fact it was only after he announced he was leaving Dortmund started to get the act together.

Liverpool took a gamble on him after giving Rodgers the road. Klopp was unemployed. I don't recall the doors being busted down at too many clubs to take him before Liverpool got in there.

Seriously?

Getting Klopp was an absolute triumph for Liverpool at the time.

And yeah, technically he was unemployed, the same as any highly successful multimillionaire taking a self-determined career sabbatical would be.

Hence, a lot of concern among Liverpool fans over the past few weeks about Klopp's comments that he may be taking another sabbatical at the end of his contract in 2022.

There is only so much you can do as a manager, the pressure must be unreal and unhealthy regardless of the success. With the current team he has, he can win at a minimum two league championships. He's done brilliantly at Liverpool

Utd currently have lost the ability to see out games, grab extra goals when on top, and give away clangers. That's a collective problem and regardless of who comes in or changed from the top down won't fix that in the next few seasons

[Cunny Funt]

Really, Klopp wasn't in demand and Liverpool took a gamble? 
Well I suppose you are right in some regards as hiring any manager is a gamble the same as when you sign a player.
United fans should know all about that the past few seasons with big money spent on previously successful managers and players and they turning out to be not so good, but hiring Klopp wasn't the massive gamble you seem to be making out, he had a pretty decent track record and would have been in high demand.
Klopp himself said he turned down several offers but said he couldn't resist Liverpool when they came calling.
Sure he had even turned down Man U the year before as he said it didn't feel like the right club for him.
Pretty sure United would be in a far healthier state now had he decided to manage them.

Thats the six million dollar question, I've mentioned it here before. Would they be better or would he now being laughed at as that German crank with the funny teeth that couldn't handle United? For me the club is broken and managers won't necessarily fix it.

Was he offered the United job? I've seen different quotes attributed to him varying from him having dinner with Fergie and it not coming up in conversation , to him not understanding Fergie, to him saying that he wouldn't of taken the job anyway cause he was still in contract (that I can believe, he seems that type)

Liverpool was a broken club also but in the Fenway sports group owners had the ability to put structures in place to fix things and had a clear vision in how to improve things and bring major progress. Under owners as clueless as United's i think Klopp would have lasted around 2 years.

[GetOverTheBar]

Looking forward to seeing Ole getting some success.... not least so that Seanie's tiresome Mourinho obsession can perhaps be laid to rest. 

Really hoping the same, however I believe he has been thrown in the deep end. I seen Gary Neville in an interview say the other day that he should be given time like Klopp. This statement is complete bulls***, Klopp was very successful at Dortmund and was one of the most sought after manager, Ole has came from a farmers league.

With James, Rashy, Martial, Pogba all playing well I think we will get back to the glory days sooner rather than later.

At a time, when he left Dortmund they were a shambles and he'd ran them into the ground and in the relegation zone if I recall. Liverpool should be wary history doesn't repeat.

Shambles?
Finished 7th in league,Won the German Super Cup, Runners up in the German Cup and last 16 of the Champions League..
His time was up with them no doubt and compared to previous seasons it wouldn't have been as good,but he hardly left them in a shambles.

Apologies, in the relegation zone most of first half of season. Got act together during last half of season but 7th in Germany is a disaster compared to 7th in England, say. Certainly wasn't an in demand manager. In fact it was only after he announced he was leaving Dortmund started to get the act together.

Liverpool took a gamble on him after giving Rodgers the road. Klopp was unemployed. I don't recall the doors being busted down at too many clubs to take him before Liverpool got in there.

Thought your cousin UnderTheBar was the village idiot of this parish but he's got competition 

Don't see the issue here with stating the facts. Hiring a manager who had undoubted success at Dortmund, but also had a bit of a disaster in his final season is/was a risk. It's no insult. I don't know why you would have to be precious about that. It's a risk that obviously has reaped dividends for a variety of factors but the initial point remains.

[magpie seanie]

Interesting discussion on Klopp. I've always admired him for his attitude, demeanour and the way his teams play. I was unhappy when he went to Liverpool because I suspected he'd be a success there. I don't buy into the "United is so broken that he'd have failed and been out the door in two years" thesis. For a start he has manners and is cutting edge tactically so he'd have had a better chance than LVG and Mourinho. Though it must be accepted the structures at Liverpool are designed for the team to succeed, not to make the most money possible.

[Cunny Funt]

Interesting discussion on Klopp. I've always admired him for his attitude, demeanour and the way his teams play. I was unhappy when he went to Liverpool because I suspected he'd be a success there. I don't buy into the "United is so broken that he'd have failed and been out the door in two years" thesis. For a start he has manners and is cutting edge tactically so he'd have had a better chance than LVG and Mourinho. Though it must be accepted the structures at Liverpool are designed for the team to succeed, not to make the most money possible.

Surely any owners looking to make the most money possible would make a bigger effort in trying to make the team succeed on the pitch.

Klopp arrived at Liverpool in October 2015 that season they finished 8th the next two seasons Liverpool finished 4th. Would the United board/owners have the same patience and trust to allow him to re-build the team? in those first few seasons Klopp was given enough time to clear out the dead wood left behind by previous managers and has brought in the likes of Fabinho,Alisson,Robertson,Van Dijk,Salah,Wijnaldum,Mane.

Not comparing like with like but so far Ole has cleared out plenty of dead wood already but plenty more to do (Jones,Rojo,Mata,Matic,Young etc) and his three signings look like good ones but he needed at least another 2 signings this summer (a midfielder and forward) to probably reach his season objectives i reckon. If United don't have Champions league football for next season i expect Ole to be sacked its how this club works now and that tells me United remain a broken club with owners that has little understanding to the rebuilding that is currently required.

[GetOverTheBar]

Interesting discussion on Klopp. I've always admired him for his attitude, demeanour and the way his teams play. I was unhappy when he went to Liverpool because I suspected he'd be a success there. I don't buy into the "United is so broken that he'd have failed and been out the door in two years" thesis. For a start he has manners and is cutting edge tactically so he'd have had a better chance than LVG and Mourinho. Though it must be accepted the structures at Liverpool are designed for the team to succeed, not to make the most money possible.

Interviews yes, touchline, absolutely not. He's just as aggressive as the rest towards officials.

[J70]

Interesting discussion on Klopp. I've always admired him for his attitude, demeanour and the way his teams play. I was unhappy when he went to Liverpool because I suspected he'd be a success there. I don't buy into the "United is so broken that he'd have failed and been out the door in two years" thesis. For a start he has manners and is cutting edge tactically so he'd have had a better chance than LVG and Mourinho. Though it must be accepted the structures at Liverpool are designed for the team to succeed, not to make the most money possible.

Surely any owners looking to make the most money possible would make a bigger effort in trying to make the team succeed on the pitch.

Klopp arrived at Liverpool in October 2015 that season they finished 8th the next two seasons Liverpool finished 4th. Would the United board/owners have the same patience and trust to allow him to re-build the team? in those first few seasons Klopp was given enough time to clear out the dead wood left behind by previous managers and has brought in the likes of Fabinho,Alisson,Robertson,Van Dijk,Salah,Wijnaldum,Mane.

Not comparing like with like but so far Ole has cleared out plenty of dead wood already but plenty more to do (Jones,Rojo,Mata,Matic,Young etc) and his three signings look like good ones but he needed at least another 2 signings this summer (a midfielder and forward) to probably reach his season objectives i reckon. If United don't have Champions league football for next season i expect Ole to be sacked its how this club works now and that tells me United remain a broken club with owners that has little understanding to the rebuilding that is currently required.

If Ole shows obvious progress this season, I'd be surprised if United sack him, even if they do miss out on Champions League qualification. It's four from six these days after all. Liverpool ( club and fans) indulging Klopp was no act of blind faith or wishful thinking. The progress and growing signs of success were there, plain to see, season by season and sometimes even month by month.

[trailer]

Van der Sar muted as director of football.

[Boycey]

Muted indeed 

[under the bar]

Van der Sar muted as director of football.

So what is the DoF's remit?

[nrico2006]

Has Van Der Sat any real credentials though? Better candidates out there.

[gallsman]

Has Van Der Sat any real credentials though? Better candidates out there.

He has been Ajax's CEO for the last three years. You know, that Dutch club that operates on a bit of a shoestring budget relative to the big European clubs and lit up the Champions League for the last three years, with a team full of exciting young players playing entertaining football.

Other than that, no.

[under the bar]

Has Van Der Sat any real credentials though? Better candidates out there.

Credentials for what? WTF does a DOF contribute exactly? Who are the better candidates you mention and what have they achieved as DOFs?