Sinn Fein? They have gone away, you know.

[Canalman]

Fianna Fáil I would imagine are laughing themselves silly at this onslaught on SF. Cannot for the life of me understand why FG are launching into SF at every opportunity when there is zero chance of them losing votes to SF. Labour have to do so as do FF , fair enough.

It is imo FF they should be targetting.

Very odd.

[deiseach]

Maybe we have become so cynical about politics that we can't see sincerity for what it is. And make no mistake, FG are being sincere in their hate for the Shinners. On a more Machiavellian level, putting the fear of God into the core vote is a necessary part of any strategy.

[Canalman]

Fair enough point Deiseach but I think everyone should by now be in numbercrunching and electioneering mode.

FG have their core vote of c30% with a possible extra 10% to be gotten from FF type voters. Imo anyway it is that 10% vote that they should be targetting. ............... in other words putting the boot into FF and not SF.

[LeoMc]

Fair enough point Deiseach but I think everyone should by now be in numbercrunching and electioneering mode.

FG have their core vote of c30% with a possible extra 10% to be gotten from FF type voters. Imo anyway it is that 10% vote that they should be targetting. ............... in other words putting the boot into FF and not SF.

Maybe they are laying off their most likely coalition partners!

[foxcommander]

Some amount of west Brits on this board... Jesus Christ..

Fixed that for you

[Il Bomber Destro]

Some amount of west Brits on this board... Jesus Christ..

Fixed that for you

Agreed.

You'd nearly think it is a Blueshirt forum with the denial and spin they put forward to everything.

[deiseach]

Fair enough point Deiseach but I think everyone should by now be in numbercrunching and electioneering mode.

FG have their core vote of c30% with a possible extra 10% to be gotten from FF type voters. Imo anyway it is that 10% vote that they should be targetting. ............... in other words putting the boot into FF and not SF.

I know what you mean. Just because it makes sense doesn't mean it's sensible. The way the (S)Indo and the Irish Times engage in a full court press against SF is only likely to drive the floating voter towards them, and FG's manner is much the same.

[Maguire01]

Cannot for the life of me understand why FG are launching into SF at every opportunity when there is zero chance of them losing votes to SF. Labour have to do so as do FF , fair enough.

It is imo FF they should be targetting.

Very odd.

It's not odd at all. It's like in the Assembly elections when you'll see SF and the DUP going for each other, and there's no prospect of votes going from one to the other there either. It's to motivate their own voters.

[ashman]

Some amount of west Brits on this board... Jesus Christ..

Fixed that for you

Agreed.

You'd nearly think it is a Blueshirt forum with the denial and spin they put forward to everything.

Destro

I am not great at this internetting thingy .  Can you post a picture of a certain statue in Fairview Park ?

[Il Bomber Destro]

Some amount of west Brits on this board... Jesus Christ..

Fixed that for you

Agreed.

You'd nearly think it is a Blueshirt forum with the denial and spin they put forward to everything.

Destro

I am not great at this internetting thingy .  Can you post a picture of a certain statue in Fairview Park ?

You want me to throw up a picture of vandalised statue to contrast it with a fascist gathering of the founding fathers of Fine Gael?

[NetNitrate]

Some amount of west Brits on this board... Jesus Christ..

Fixed that for you

Agreed.

You'd nearly think it is a Blueshirt forum with the denial and spin they put forward to everything.

Destro

I am not great at this internetting thingy .  Can you post a picture of a certain statue in Fairview Park ?

You want me to throw up a picture of vandalised statue to contrast it with a fascist gathering of the founding fathers of Fine Gael?

Quite a selective and edited view there.

Eoin O'Duffy wore many hats: he was a TD for Sinn Fein, Chief of Staff of IRA, leading figure in GAA, commissioner of newly formed Garda Siochana, leader of the Blueshirts, early leader of Fine Gael who soon distanced themselves from him and he went on to  launch the National Corporate Party, Irish Brigade, etc. He was a lot longer in Sinn Fein and the other parties than he was in Fine Gael (1 year). Sean Russell too was Chief of Staff of the IRA and he admired Hitler as O'Duffy did Mussolini/Franco. It could be argued that their fascism came from their Catholic Republican roots. There's always been a strong streak of fascism in that rather dark combination of Catholicism and Republicanism. The covering up of sexual abuse is yet another manifestation of that in modern day Republicanism.

[Il Bomber Destro]

Some amount of west Brits on this board... Jesus Christ..

Fixed that for you

Agreed.

You'd nearly think it is a Blueshirt forum with the denial and spin they put forward to everything.

Destro

I am not great at this internetting thingy .  Can you post a picture of a certain statue in Fairview Park ?

You want me to throw up a picture of vandalised statue to contrast it with a fascist gathering of the founding fathers of Fine Gael?

Quite a selective and edited view there.

Eoin O'Duffy wore many hats: he was a TD for Sinn Fein, Chief of Staff of IRA, leading figure in GAA, commissioner of newly formed Garda Siochana, leader of the Blueshirts, early leader of Fine Gael who soon distanced themselves from him and he went on to  launch the National Corporate Party, Irish Brigade, etc. He was a lot longer in Sinn Fein and the other parties than he was in Fine Gael (1 year). Sean Russell too was Chief of Staff of the IRA and he admired Hitler as O'Duffy did Mussolini/Franco. It could be argued that their fascism came from their Catholic Republican roots. There's always been a strong streak of fascism in that rather dark combination of Catholicism and Republicanism. The covering up of sexual abuse is yet another manifestation of that in modern day Republicanism.

Not selective at all. O'Duffy was a founding father of Fine Gael and The Blueshirts are intrinsically linked with Fine Gael.

Sean Russell looked for help from the Germans during WW2 when they were at war with a common enemy. De Valera also sympathised with the Germans on the death of Hitler.

[Hardy]

What's the next statement in this logical sequence?

Sean Russell looked for help from the Germans during WW2 when they were at war with a common enemy.
De Valera also sympathised with the Germans on the death of Hitler.

I went to Germany on holidays one time?

[deiseach]

Enda Kenny went to a beer hall in Munich once.

[Gaffer]

I see aul Slab's getting home tonight for another while at least!
Has anybody on the board ever had any dealings with this guy?

Does he go to any GAA matches ? Is he good craic??? Etc etc