Down Club Hurling & Football

[OgraAnDun]

Game off as Leitrim can't field.

[snoopdog]

So do we get the walkover?

[Nanderson]

So do we get the walkover?

Yes

[maldini]

The Down county board will be trying to deduct 4 points on Leitrim for next years league!

[Mourne Rover]

Congratulations to Paddy Tally, who, unless the GAA change the rules, has got us into the top tier championship as well as promotion to D2. Even if we lose to Louth, we will finish on nine points. Longford, Derry and Offaly can all match that total, but we have already beaten each of them and therefore have to finish in front through the head to head results.

It's quite an achievement, as we had to come from behind late on to draw with Tipperary and beat Longford. In the crucial game against Derry, we were a man down and two behind with ten minutes left. Tally reorganised and we got four of the last five points to edge it. It all means that, even if the championship never happens, we have achieved our main target this season.

[Johnnysboys]

McAleenan away from Warrenpoint and Rostrevor making changes to their management too. Disappointing there was no game today but the two points puts us closer to promotion - hopefully score difference doesn't come into in in the long run.

[Nanderson]

Congratulations to Paddy Tally, who, unless the GAA change the rules, has got us into the top tier championship as well as promotion to D2. Even if we lose to Louth, we will finish on nine points. Longford, Derry and Offaly can all match that total, but we have already beaten each of them and therefore have to finish in front through the head to head results.

It's quite an achievement, as we had to come from behind late on to draw with Tipperary and beat Longford. In the crucial game against Derry, we were a man down and two behind with ten minutes left. Tally reorganised and we got four of the last five points to edge it. It all means that, even if the championship never happens, we have achieved our main target this season.

I'm pretty sure the rule has always been if 3 or more team level on points it goes to score difference. So Down aren't out of the water yet although I thought there would be some sort of walkover bonus you get on your score difference like a +5 to your points scored

[SHEEDY]

Congratulations to Paddy Tally, who, unless the GAA change the rules, has got us into the top tier championship as well as promotion to D2. Even if we lose to Louth, we will finish on nine points. Longford, Derry and Offaly can all match that total, but we have already beaten each of them and therefore have to finish in front through the head to head results.

It's quite an achievement, as we had to come from behind late on to draw with Tipperary and beat Longford. In the crucial game against Derry, we were a man down and two behind with ten minutes left. Tally reorganised and we got four of the last five points to edge it. It all means that, even if the championship never happens, we have achieved our main target this season.

if more than two teams are level on points it goes to scoring difference, down need a draw against louth to be certain of promotion.

[Dubh driocht]

Yes, while it would require Longford to beat Cork, it is possible if Down lose that we will be in a 3 way tie with them and Derry or Offaly.
Cork are up and have nothing to play for so we should go to Drogheda seeking a win or at least avoid defeat

[Mourne Rover]

The last three posters are obviously correct, as there is still an outside chance that three teams could finish on nine points each with promotion decided on scoring difference. However, as Nanderson highlighted, Down were awarded a win today which left our scoring average unchanged, which cannot be fair. If some combination of Down, Derry, Longford and Offaly somehow finished level, there would be a strong case for the GAA reverting to head to head results, which would confirm our promotion. Offaly play Derry in the last round of fixtures, so only one of them can reach nine points. It is possible that Longford might beat Cork, who are already promoted, but Down really should resolve the debate by winning at Louth, who have been relegated after losing six out of six. While I celebrated prematurely, only a bizarre sequence of results or the abandonment of the last round of games can prevent us going up.

[SHEEDY]

Gaa confirm that if 3 or more teams are on level points at the end of division 3 the results against leitrim won't be counted and only scoring difference against the other 6 teams will count.

[Mourne Rover]

This is the relevant section from the GAA's official guide -

(d) In the event that two teams or more finish with equal points, but have been affected by a disqualification, loss of game on a proven objection, retirement or walk over, the tie shall be
decided by the following means:
(i) Score Difference from the games in which only the teams involved, (teams tied on points), have played each other. (subtracting the total Scores Against from total Scores For)
(ii) Highest Total Score For, in which only the teams involved, have played each other, and have finished equal in (i)
(iii) A Play-Off

This effectively indicates that D3 promotion this season has to be decided on head to head results in the event of any group of teams finishing level on points in second place, and strongly suggests we are already up. However, avoiding defeat in Drogheda makes the discussion academic.

[supersub]

McAleenan away from Warrenpoint and Rostrevor making changes to their management too. Disappointing there was no game today but the two points puts us closer to promotion - hopefully score difference doesn't come into in in the long run.

What changes are these?

[Mourne Rover]

Offaly's defeat today means it is technically possible for Down, Derry and Longford to all finish level on nine points. If it is a two way tie, it is decided on the head to head result, meaning Down go through. A triple tie would involve using the aggregate scores from the previous matches between the three teams, and would leave Derry ahead. It is more than a little confusing, but a Down win in Louth ends all arguments.

[urbangael]

Just go and beat Louth ffs. If you can't do that you don't deserve to be in Div2!