Will you take the Coronavirus Vaccine?

[armaghniac]

The similarly rushed swine flu vaccine didn't work out so well. https://www.narcolepsy.org.uk/resources/pandemrix-narcolepsy#:~:text=On%209%20February%202017%2C%20the,swine%20flu%20vaccination%20in%202009.

Yes, but let's not lose a sense of proportion. One in 55,000 had problems with that virus, in Covid19 teenagers died in China at 100 times that rate (1 in 555)

Our family GP refused to prescribe pandremix. If a Covid19 vaccine blights the lives of 1 in 55,000 of the billions who will end up using it, the world will be facing another health disaster.

So you prefer if 100 times as many died from Covid19?

False equivalence. Care to back up your claim that 1 in 555 Chinese teens died from Covid 19?

Actually I am not claiming that, although the stats show that. Clearly there were some additional untested teenagers. But even allowing for that, Covid19 will kill you, the vaccine is not likely to kill you.

[five points]

Actually I am not claiming that, although the stats show that. Clearly there were some additional untested teenagers. But even allowing for that, Covid19 will kill you, the vaccine is not likely to kill you.

The stats show what?

China has a population estimated at 1,439,323,776. https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/china-population/#:~:text=China%202020%20population%20is%20estimated,397%20people%20per%20mi2).

If we assume for the moment that circa 10% of those are teenagers, the number of teenagers is almost 144 million.

1/555 of that figure is almost 160,000 teenagers dead from Covid-19.

A citation for that or a similar figure would be nice.

Here is China's official Covid-19 death toll across all age groups. It may be heavily underestimated.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china/

China
Coronavirus Cases:
83,693
Deaths:
4,634

[LeoMc]

The similarly rushed swine flu vaccine didn't work out so well. https://www.narcolepsy.org.uk/resources/pandemrix-narcolepsy#:~:text=On%209%20February%202017%2C%20the,swine%20flu%20vaccination%20in%202009.

Yes, but let's not lose a sense of proportion. One in 55,000 had problems with that virus, in Covid19 teenagers died in China at 100 times that rate (1 in 555)

Our family GP refused to prescribe pandremix. If a Covid19 vaccine blights the lives of 1 in 55,000 of the billions who will end up using it, the world will be facing another health disaster.

So you prefer if 100 times as many died from Covid19?

1 in55,000 of 7bn people is approx 127k. Are you saying 12.7m will die from COVID?

[LeoMc]

 

Ah don't start multiplying stuff again. Remember the last time we were multiplying by 1000?

[armaghniac]

The similarly rushed swine flu vaccine didn't work out so well. https://www.narcolepsy.org.uk/resources/pandemrix-narcolepsy#:~:text=On%209%20February%202017%2C%20the,swine%20flu%20vaccination%20in%202009.

Yes, but let's not lose a sense of proportion. One in 55,000 had problems with that virus, in Covid19 teenagers died in China at 100 times that rate (1 in 555)

Our family GP refused to prescribe pandremix. If a Covid19 vaccine blights the lives of 1 in 55,000 of the billions who will end up using it, the world will be facing another health disaster.

So you prefer if 100 times as many died from Covid19?

1 in55,000 of 7bn people is approx 127k. Are you saying 12.7m will die from COVID?

If Covid19 is allowed run rampant then of course 12.7m will die from it, likely 10 times that number, 616,000 have already died and only a small proportion of people have had it in many places.

1/555 of that figure is almost 160,000 teenagers dead from Covid-19.

A citation for that or a similar figure would be nice.

I didn't claim that every teenager in China got Covid, they stopped that by having proper measures.
As for the 1/555 the actual figure is 1/549 if you want to be pedantic.
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/

[gallsman]

Bro in law is a consultant in Edinburgh, says they are planning there for a vaccine being rolled out to NHS by October.

Is that the hospital or what the civil servants are saying, toeing the government lime? Be very surprised is is ready by then.

Whats the story with travel to Barca? Im due there for a week from mid august. I see there are new lockdown measures in place....whats your advice?? Any advice appreciated!

Sorry, only seeing this now. Basically, don't come.

Catalan government has requested everyone stay at home, for at least the next ten days. They've no power to enforce it out make it legally binding without a state of emergency. It's a shit show at the minute. 800 odd new cases yesterday and the city has caught up with Lleida where the worst of the outbreak was initially

[Gold]

Appreciate it

Gutted.

Booked 5 months ago...thought we would be out of the woods by now

[gallsman]

If you do end up deciding to come, you should know that masks are legally required in all public places, indoor and outdoor, regardless of ability or perceived ability to social distance. That includes beaches, pools etc. How observed and enforced it is is a different matter altogether, but you're liable for a 100e on the spot fine if stopped. Kids 6 and under are exempt.

[bennydorano]

After all I've been hearing anecdotally in recent months, not surprised by this at all.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/09/only-half-of-britons-would-definitely-have-covid-19-vaccination?__twitter_impression=true

[GetOverTheBar]

You won't need the vaccine if you make a few simple lifestyle changes.

Anyone who smokes should not be eligible for a vaccine, but of course things like this will be looked upon as a disgraceful infringement of human rights....the irony.

[Milltown Row2]

You won't need the vaccine if you make a few simple lifestyle changes.

Anyone who smokes should not be eligible for a vaccine, but of course things like this will be looked upon as a disgraceful infringement of human rights....the irony.

Anyone obese should be left off that list also 

[thewobbler]

You won't need the vaccine if you make a few simple lifestyle changes.

Anyone who smokes should not be eligible for a vaccine, but of course things like this will be looked upon as a disgraceful infringement of human rights....the irony.

Anyone obese should be left off that list also 

Lol.

The thing that interests me here is whether it's just smokers, or all manner of unhealthy people, should be denied a vaccine.

If it's only smokers, then does it include social smokers? And also, how long should someone have gone without a cigarette before they're eligible? How is vaping considered in this algorithm?

[GetOverTheBar]

Define unhealthy?

Smoking is just simply a choice to poison your body. There can really be no other way to put it. If Covid 19 sweeping through the world systematically wiping out (majority) an older generation that smoked all their lives, by and large, anyone who continues to poison their body and respiratory system can't be in a position to complain.

[sid waddell]

You won't need the vaccine if you make a few simple lifestyle changes.

Anyone who smokes should not be eligible for a vaccine, but of course things like this will be looked upon as a disgraceful infringement of human rights....the irony.

Where's the irony?

How are smokers infringing your "human rights"?

You're one of those who whinges ad nauseum about so called "cancel culture", aren't you?

And yet you want to cancel smokers' right to a hypothetical Covid vaccine?

A vaccine you claim will be unnecessary anyway?

Now that's irony.

[sid waddell]

Smoking is just simply a choice to poison your body.

In that case, so is drinking alcohol and eating pork products

Sure ban them too

And I definitely wouldn't want to be a survivor of suicide attempt via a drugs overdose with people like you around

Or a survivor of any suicide attempt