Quote from: JoG2 on March 23, 2024, 08:38:22 PMQuote from: LCohen on March 23, 2024, 08:10:47 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on March 23, 2024, 06:32:14 PMQuote from: LCohen on March 23, 2024, 06:04:30 PMIf any individual has perpetrated domestic violence then there is no role for them in the organisation.
If there is a public accusation but no formal conviction then surely a club/county cannot just ignore it? You would have to satisfy yourself that there was nothing in the accusation. You can't just hope for the best in a matter of this seriousness. The club/county (and their sponsors at the very least) would need to know that when asked about the matter that the accused can issue a full and frank denial, not just a statement like "sure that has all been dealt with".
That is the hurdle that has to be surmounted.
A different point related to this issue. If an issue is discussed on social media AND is also separately reported to the authorities, or the accuser or witnesses make themselves available for direct discussions on the matter you cannot dismiss it as "trial by social media" or a "social media mob". Personally I would worry about the mentality of anyone who brings dismissive language to a debate on this particular issue. Maybe that is just me.
The gaa don't have any power or authority to investigate private individuals of any crime or accusation outside of the gaa. In fact, it could be considered an invasion of privacy.
So how could they satisfy themselves that there was nothing to the accusation?
It has to be based on what the police/social services decide as they are the authority in the case.
For me it's black and white.
Absolutely if someone is being investigated for a crime the gaa should consider what action to take while that is happening. Sensible thing is to temporarily suspend with no prejudice pending the outcome of external investigations if the alleged crime is of a certain level of seriousness.
I haven't seen anyone use dismissive language on the issue or do anything other than condemn abuse so I'm not sure where you are coming g from on that.
Note that I referred the issue to the club or county contemplating the potential appointment, not the GAA.
Anyone can see that questions will be asked of any club/county appointing RG. The most obvious question being "how did you get comfortable that he is innocent of the allegations?". Given the seriousness of the allegations and refusal to answer that question or a response that was to the effect of "we didn't think it merited consideration" or "we asked him and he said that that it was already investigated by someone else and we thought sure that's all right then". Sponsors would run a mile.
The first step would have to be what RG himself when asked the inevitable question in public. If he was asked the basic question of did he beat his former partner and the only answer he could give was that "it was already investigated by someone else" then would remain unappointable.
On the dismissive language point I have already referred to the 2 examples ie referring to this as "trial by social media" or a "social media mob" are both examples of dismissive language.
No social media and no social media mob and there is no investigation by the Ulster Council. That is 2hy those terms have been used multiple times. You're happy enough for trial by social media to supersede the court of law? Where would that get us?
There is no dismissive language in here at all regarding this, none at all.
Show the bit where I said that trial by social media should supersede a court of law?
I have said again if an accusation is made to the authorities and is supported by at least one witness who makes themselves available for further questions and this is repeated or reported on social media that does not mean that it is trial by social media. To then refer it to as trial by social media and ignore the fact that a witness has supported the allegation and made themselves available then that is dismissive language. If you know the witness is lying then call them a liar but don't dismiss their existence or their testimony.