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#1
Antrim / Re: Antrim Hurling
July 08, 2024, 02:49:30 PM
I guess if you're going to go up and stay up this is the best chance. Say Carey win the league and Glenarm beat Ballycran, both will probably target the other for a win and hope to scrap something elsewhere then win the playoff. Massive ask though.
#2
Antrim / Re: Antrim Hurling
July 08, 2024, 08:34:36 AM
Do we know the definite tiebreaker criteria? Saffron Gael said it was Carey due to them having better points difference in the games against Glenarm but the Glenarm lads yesterday seemed to think it was straight up points difference?
#3
Antrim / Re: Antrim Hurling
June 25, 2024, 10:10:00 AM
What happened that the fixtures got moved about? I see Glenarm were supposed to be away to Ahoghill but it has been switched and they're at home now.
#4
Antrim / Re: Antrim Hurling
June 21, 2024, 10:34:35 PM
A boy I was talking to recently made the point that Glenravel have a lot of good footballers that play a bit of hurling whereas the hurling side maybe need it to be the other way round.

I was at the match when they won junior. They lost to Glenarm a pile of times that season including a heavy loss in the Championship groups but they came with a plan that day, executed it perfectly and completely deserved their win. I also have great admiration for them punching up and trying to maintain Intermediate status when half the county wants to drop down tiers or divisions.

Also, as I mentioned Glenarm, they had a good win tonight to win the Countess of Antrim Cup.
#5
Antrim / Re: Antrim Hurling
June 19, 2024, 12:26:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 19, 2024, 09:33:04 AM
Quote from: NAG1 on June 19, 2024, 08:50:26 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 19, 2024, 08:45:12 AMHow long ago did Down teams enter the Ulster League?

You will not find a single genuine hurling person seeking to remove the 3 (main) Down clubs from the Antrim leagues.

To be fair to them they are usually among the toughest games in the league.

At this point I would be an advocate for opening up the leagues to some of the stronger Derry teams, provided that they would commit the same way in which their Down counter parts have done. I don't think they are in a position to do this currently.

We need to find ways to drive up the competitiveness of hurling within Antrim and Ulster, should that be through looking at better ways to work the calendar or through the league structures themselves.


1 million percent!

Our top Antrim clubs have always competed at Ulster and all Ireland club level due to the competitiveness of our top leagues, encouraging better teams to be in there will only drive that up and through more counties in a football driven Ulster.

Were Antrim clubs in Ulster have fallen down is at Junior and Intermediate, as I said recently the standards at that level for some reason lately has dropped, maybe its just a cycle and will come back to being more competitive but not seeing it currently.

A junior team and an Intermediate team winning Antrim should be looking to win Ulster, S'neil really put a cat among the pigeons and it was a reality check for our top clubs, and did them no harm because Dunloy really upped the tempo and made the breakthrough on that team followed by Cushendall.

 

I think that's more difficult than people think as the grading in the other counties is such a mess. For example, Glenarm won Junior 2 years ago. Got to the Ulster final but lost to Setanta of Donegal. Setanta came back last year and won Intermediate too so had they been graded right, Glenarm probably would have won that Ulster Junior. Probably hard to foresee how strong that team were though and every year there's usually a team somewhere who should really be playing higher.
#6
Antrim / Re: Antrim Hurling
June 18, 2024, 07:13:07 PM
Quote from: thegladiator on June 18, 2024, 06:46:46 PMWe are all guilty looking out for our own interests mr2! I think you are right that clubs have to look at themselves and accept their  level, perhaps Creggan should be applauded for their decision to not enter the senior championship- it could have been counter productive  for them in the long run, although they miss out on a year's championship hurling- could dispensation  have been made to go intermediate again?
I still think the point stands that our leagues aren't as well structured and organised as they could be in order to benefit both club and the county. Healthy, competitive club leagues will only increase our level on the county scene, not reduce it.


Completely disagree on Creggan. You win Junior or Intermediate and you have to go up in my opinion. Not fair on the other teams otherwise.
#7
Antrim / Re: Antrim Hurling
June 18, 2024, 11:58:54 AM
Quote from: Saffron_sam20 on June 18, 2024, 11:39:14 AM
Quote from: NorthAntrim on June 18, 2024, 10:29:27 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 18, 2024, 09:37:04 AM
Quote from: NorthAntrim on June 18, 2024, 09:22:36 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 17, 2024, 10:35:01 PM
Quote from: SaffronSports on June 17, 2024, 07:56:04 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 17, 2024, 02:59:51 PMWhile the competition in Div2 is great and a lot teams beating each other and so on, the standard is no where good enough, I really think its dropped these last few years and the gap to senior is widening.

Not sure what is best going forward to lift it, but very impressed with Glenarm's results though haven't seen them

Would there be an argument to have just Antrim clubs in our leagues? Would 3 or 4 extra Antrim teams in Div 1 be better as they'd be testing themselves against the best a few times but ultimately go into bottom half and get a few even games too. I suppose the counter argument might be that would potentially weaken the top teams if they're not getting as many tough games.

Antrim club league is (at the top end) very competitive and we've been very competitive for many years when we get to the All Ireland series, this is down to having the better teams, Portaferry won the league not long ago so it's a positive for me..

Teams have went down from Down but have always came straight back up.

I just feel, from what I see, that the standard from Div 2 is not as good as it was a few years ago.

And teams going up recently have found it tough


Quote from: SaffronSports on June 17, 2024, 07:56:04 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 17, 2024, 02:59:51 PMWhile the competition in Div2 is great and a lot teams beating each other and so on, the standard is no where good enough, I really think its dropped these last few years and the gap to senior is widening.

Not sure what is best going forward to lift it, but very impressed with Glenarm's results though haven't seen them

Would there be an argument to have just Antrim clubs in our leagues? Would 3 or 4 extra Antrim teams in Div 1 be better as they'd be testing themselves against the best a few times but ultimately go into bottom half and get a few even games too. I suppose the counter argument might be that would potentially weaken the top teams if they're not getting as many tough games.

We need the Ards teams in Div 1. Replacing them with say Carey, Glenarm and Ahoghill would not only do those three harm it would do our top teams harm. We need them as much as they need us.

The only thing ill say is sometimes we look after teams from other counties down the leagues. Parachute a team into Div 2 or 3 when there are antrim teams busting their balls to make that step up

A strong healthy competitive Antrim league benefits the players being supplied to the senior team.

It is on teams to lift their standards and if they are busting their balls they will move up through the leagues

I'm just not seeing it at the minute, some teams like Sarsfields have been hampered through the leagues because of their county players, but I'd say injuries and a thin enough panel is probably more to blame for them.

A team that can only be competitive from DIV 2 needs to be blowing teams away every week and be a stand out team before moving up.

If teams from other counties are coming in I've very rarely seen them underperform in the league they have been in, Dungannon where very good, the Derry team competed at that level they were at div 3 and others over the years were there or there abouts.

BTW this isn't a slight on the teams I'm talking about, this happens every so often, then a set of juveniles come through to bolster a senior team and make the breakthrough i.e St Enda's being prime example

Div 2 is 100% squad depth. Sarsfields full out are top end div 2. Playing most of the year without best four players? Probably similar to Creggan last year, relegated and could have a say yet in the Intermediate championship. Cushendun have lost a lot of players, few in Australia, couple around the belfast clubs. TNN and Ahoghill both heavy number of dual players and probably unable to commit the training time to hurling. Can Glenariffe kick on in a few years time?

Yes Dungannon competed well, thats not my point. Example being Cuchullains from Armagh. Pulled out of Division three last minute, Ardoyne won division four last year in a year with no promotion. Their lack of respect for Antrim has cost Ardoyne possibly two seasons in Divison three, they could've kicked on again.

Next year or the year after when Cuchullains decide to come back we'll open the door for them again

What is the story with Creggan, are they not playing any championship this year in Hurling?

Yeah they pulled out of the Senior Championship so no Championship.
#8
Antrim / Re: Antrim Hurling
June 17, 2024, 07:56:04 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 17, 2024, 02:59:51 PMWhile the competition in Div2 is great and a lot teams beating each other and so on, the standard is no where good enough, I really think its dropped these last few years and the gap to senior is widening.

Not sure what is best going forward to lift it, but very impressed with Glenarm's results though haven't seen them

Would there be an argument to have just Antrim clubs in our leagues? Would 3 or 4 extra Antrim teams in Div 1 be better as they'd be testing themselves against the best a few times but ultimately go into bottom half and get a few even games too. I suppose the counter argument might be that would potentially weaken the top teams if they're not getting as many tough games.
#9
Antrim / Re: Antrim Hurling
June 17, 2024, 02:02:51 PM
Quote from: saffman on June 17, 2024, 01:42:55 PMDiv 2 shaping up nicely at the top.

Who are people backing for promotion?

Think whoever wants it will get it.  There's noise from a few that maybe don't want to go up as there's a big jump from division 2 to 1.

#10
General discussion / Re: Athletics
June 10, 2024, 12:26:05 PM
Disappointed for Thomas Barr. Missed out on a place in the 400m hurdles final. Still he goes home with a gold from the 4*400m.
#11
Antrim / Re: Antrim Hurling
June 08, 2024, 05:41:19 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 08, 2024, 05:12:29 PM
Quote from: BrendanAntrim on June 08, 2024, 05:06:52 PMGreat job Collie McDonald in the McDonough Cup final. He got high praise from commentary team on RTE Radio.

Did very well and that last one which the lad was into his 8th step before he blow for over carrying couldn't complain when looking back.

I was calling him all sorts but aye on the replay he was right.
#12
General discussion / Re: Euro 2024
June 06, 2024, 09:03:46 PM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on June 06, 2024, 06:42:37 PMAny interest in a competition for Euro 2024?



Aye
#13
Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
June 04, 2024, 10:18:00 PM
Cushendall were with Ballymena at some levels last year but not totally sure which ones.

Glenariffe u12s and u14 are now with Cushendall, Gael na Glinnti or something they're called.

Glenariffe are with Glenravel at u16 and u18.

#14
Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
May 23, 2024, 09:54:52 AM
Quote from: BrendanAntrim on May 22, 2024, 11:07:34 PMSligo match fixed for Breffini Park, disappointing tbh. And it's a 4pm throw in on the Sunday. 90 mins from Sligo, 2 hours on some bad roads from Belfast, obvs more from south west. Thats an unfair venue I think

Probably not a lot more they could have done than 1.5 hours from one county and 2 hours from the other. Seems fair enough to me.
#15
Antrim / Re: Antrim Hurling
May 08, 2024, 12:20:26 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 07, 2024, 11:58:46 PM
Quote from: paddyjohn on May 07, 2024, 08:34:33 PMTragic news coming out of the Shane O'Neills club this evening. Thoughts and prayers are with them all.
They'll have been home from NY on a high and then this lands on their doorstep.

Devestated. I posted on FB about the NY trip and he commented saying how they'd never forget it. Can't believe it.