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Title: Fermanagh v Kildare
Post by: FermGael on July 03, 2018, 08:11:27 PM
Might as well get this started .

I pray it is not a repeat of the first 25 minutes at the same stage in 2008.
Nothing , and I mean nothing, has been as bad as that
Title: Re: Fermanagh v Kildare
Post by: Erne Man on July 03, 2018, 11:05:15 PM
Jeez Ferm Gael - that was a poor 25mins alright. We must have had around 7 or 8 wides before Kildare scored,  and each one sucked whatever bit of life was left in the team.
Hard to know how things will recover for this one, and what the managements attitude will be.
I'd make a few changes - depending on Seamie's state of health I'd start him and Tomas - and keep Sean on the bench. I'd be tempted to move Ryan to full forward, Conall to wing forward, and Aidan Breen to midfield. Kildare are a huge mobile team, and we need to match them early on.
Would love to see the brakes come off a bit but that is unlikely.
Hard to see a positive result in this one, and if I'm honest I don't think 3 games in the super 8 is what we need this year. See if we can unearth a few more young players in the club championship and Rory and co can reflect on whether the style of 2018 will survive division 2 in 2019, and if we can build for championship next year.
Title: Re: Fermanagh v Kildare
Post by: AQMP on July 04, 2018, 10:22:12 AM
I think Fermanagh have a chance here.
Title: Re: Fermanagh v Kildare
Post by: Dinny Breen on July 04, 2018, 10:37:39 AM
Quote from: AQMP on July 04, 2018, 10:22:12 AM
I think Fermanagh have a chance here.

Just poking my head in, trying to impose gadget free holiday on the kids so can't get caught.

Anyway this, Kildare always struggle against defensive teams, while we try to play like Dublin we don't have their patience, confidence or indeed talent.

If we can drag Fermanagh out we have a chance, hoping the Ulster final has sown some doubts and that Fermanagh open up a little.

Those 25 minutes in 2008 were comical at the end, the whole ground cheered the 1st score. In 2008 we lost to Wicklow a Division 4 team in the 1st round of Leinster before squeezing past Cavan in #newbridgeornowhere and Limerick away.

Hopefully a case of history repeating itself.

Title: Re: Fermanagh v Kildare
Post by: Rossfan on July 04, 2018, 10:56:15 AM
Will Fermanagh be competing or just fulfilling the fixture?
Their Ulster Final experience may well have burst all their bubbles and enthusiasm.
Title: Re: Fermanagh v Kildare
Post by: GrandMasterFlash on July 04, 2018, 04:36:45 PM
It might sound over-simplistic but I believe Rory will have studied the Kildare v Carlow game and will set up similarly, which is how Fermanagh play anyhow. This, to me, gives them a decent chance.
Title: Re: Fermanagh v Kildare
Post by: twohands!!! on July 04, 2018, 06:36:34 PM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 04, 2018, 04:36:45 PM
It might sound over-simplistic but I believe Rory will have studied the Kildare v Carlow game and will set up similarly, which is how Fermanagh play anyhow. This, to me, gives them a decent chance.

That's how I expect Fermanagh to set up too.

The key stat from that Carlow game was Carlow's 100% shooting rate and Kildare shooting 34% - I just don't see Fermanagh being able to replicate those percentages.

Kildare will surely have learned lessons from the Carlow game in terms of their shooting choices - harsh experience being the best teacher and all that.


Title: Re: Fermanagh v Kildare
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 04, 2018, 10:04:10 PM
Will the winners of this game be on the Sunday or Saturday the following weekend?
Title: Re: Fermanagh v Kildare
Post by: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on July 04, 2018, 10:20:12 PM
Probably around the same time as the WC final. We'll only worry about that if we can get over a tough Fermanagh team. The last meeting in the League last year was a walk in the park for Kildare as they ran in 4 goals but Fermanagh ended up a bit shambolic defensively under McGrath. The form of beating Armagh and Monaghan is a more accurate reflection of their ability. They played well in the Ulster final until Donegal got clear, if they had been more clinical in the early stages it would have been a lot more interesting.
Whatever happens I hope Kildare turn up and go at it with the same intensity of last Saturday and hopefully us fans turn up too and learn the lesson of what good positive loud support can do for a team.
Title: Re: Fermanagh v Kildare
Post by: Hound on July 05, 2018, 06:18:33 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 04, 2018, 10:04:10 PM
Will the winners of this game be on the Sunday or Saturday the following weekend?
Most likely Sunday 2pm

1. To keep on same day as other teams in the group
2. More importantly, to give Monaghan / Laois a full week between games
Title: Re: Fermanagh v Kildare
Post by: Captain Scarlet on July 05, 2018, 05:33:36 PM
Last week was a real watershed moment for Kildare as it was the first time in years they actually beat a team ranked higher than them in the championship.
Carlow may have done us a massive favour in it finally woke up some of the lads.

We looked like a different team v Mayo, but there is always a risk of reverting to type...a lot of this packed defence means a lack of personal responsibility and if we get our lads running directly at Fermanagh we should be OK.
Paul Cribbin and Fergal Conway have been very good the last two days now.
I still think we need Flynn drifting out and stretching his legs early on. We need to draw fouls at worst and get scores on the board.

Midfield should be a good battle and I worry on Kildare kickouts as the keeper never gets a real bolter for the short ones.
Title: Re: Fermanagh v Kildare
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 05, 2018, 11:16:40 PM
Hopefully Feely is fit enough to play out around the middle more this week. We will need his composure on the ball to break down the Fermanagh blanket. I think there's a good chance Niall Kelly will get the nod ahead of Brophy for this one.
Title: Re: Fermanagh v Kildare
Post by: FermGael on July 06, 2018, 09:52:07 PM
Honestly think we have a real chance here.
For my sins I watched the Ulster final back again and we really were awful.
I think the hype got to the players and everything that could go wrong did.
If Tomas Corrigan is fit he has to start.
Otherwise start both Quigley's and leave them in the full forward line and
give Kildare something to worry about.
We need a forward presence.
Midfield will be fine and defensively we have showed a massive improvement
since we last played Kildare.
I think this game should suit us as we are being written off.
Will be hard for Kildare to hit the heights of last week after all the fuss.
I think the ambush could be on.....
Title: Re: Fermanagh v Kildare
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 06, 2018, 10:03:01 PM
Quote from: FermGael on July 06, 2018, 09:52:07 PM
Honestly think we have a real chance here.
For my sins I watched the Ulster final back again and we really were awful.
...
I think the ambush could be on.....

Maith an fear, let 'er rip! :)
Title: Re: Fermanagh v Kildare
Post by: trileacman on July 07, 2018, 12:21:08 AM
Quote from: FermGael on July 06, 2018, 09:52:07 PM
Honestly think we have a real chance here.
For my sins I watched the Ulster final back again and we really were awful.
I think the hype got to the players and everything that could go wrong did.
If Tomas Corrigan is fit he has to start.
Otherwise start both Quigley's and leave them in the full forward line and
give Kildare something to worry about.
We need a forward presence.
Midfield will be fine and defensively we have showed a massive improvement
since we last played Kildare.
I think this game should suit us as we are being written off.
Will be hard for Kildare to hit the heights of last week after all the fuss.
I think the ambush could be on.....

I see an 08 repeat on the cards. Not this.
Title: Re: Fermanagh v Kildare
Post by: Dinny Breen on July 07, 2018, 12:31:36 AM
Quote from: trileacman on July 07, 2018, 12:21:08 AM
Quote from: FermGael on July 06, 2018, 09:52:07 PM
Honestly think we have a real chance here.
For my sins I watched the Ulster final back again and we really were awful.
I think the hype got to the players and everything that could go wrong did.
If Tomas Corrigan is fit he has to start.
Otherwise start both Quigley's and leave them in the full forward line and
give Kildare something to worry about.
We need a forward presence.
Midfield will be fine and defensively we have showed a massive improvement
since we last played Kildare.
I think this game should suit us as we are being written off.
Will be hard for Kildare to hit the heights of last week after all the fuss.
I think the ambush could be on.....

I see an 08 repeat on the cards. Not this.

Bite. Your. Hand. Off.
Title: Re: Fermanagh v Kildare
Post by: Jinxy on July 07, 2018, 10:47:13 AM
Kildare should win if they go out with a positive attitude, make things happen and don't overthink their tactics.
Go direct and run hard at them.
If the build-up is slow and lateral, then I'd start to worry.
Title: Re: Fermanagh v Kildare
Post by: seafoid on July 07, 2018, 11:20:56 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 07, 2018, 10:47:13 AM
Kildare should win if they go out with a positive attitude, make things happen and don't overthink their tactics.
Go direct and run hard at them.
If the build-up is slow and lateral, then I'd start to worry.
Compared to last year the prize is huge  3 more championship matches minimum. Average qf winning margins were huge last year and left losers with nothing to be proud of. Teams like Ros and Kildare have a big incentive 
Title: Re: Fermanagh v Kildare
Post by: yellowcard on July 07, 2018, 07:06:55 PM
Dick seemed very sure that Donnelly's goal chance didn't cross the line. I would like to see it again, the umpires were not positioned in line with it.
Title: Re: Fermanagh v Kildare
Post by: Hound on July 07, 2018, 07:10:27 PM
Wow, what a start for Kildare! Great goal and monster points

Fermanagh effort definitely not over the line
Title: Re: Fermanagh v Kildare
Post by: yellowcard on July 07, 2018, 07:36:11 PM
Kildare showing again that they are a top 8 side. Big, strong powerful athletic side and with them seemingly being ahead of Dublin at underage level in Leinster they should have the resources to make a top 4 side in the next couple of years. The events of last week seems to have galvanized their support also, big Kildare following in Navan tonight by the looks of it.
Title: Re: Fermanagh v Kildare
Post by: Jayop on July 07, 2018, 07:38:22 PM
Kildare fans are completely devoid of class. Wannabe dubs with the jeering they're at.
Title: Re: Fermanagh v Kildare
Post by: yellowcard on July 07, 2018, 07:45:11 PM
Quote from: Jayop on July 07, 2018, 07:38:22 PM
Kildare fans are completely devoid of class. Wannabe dubs with the jeering they're at.

I'm not sure what you want but I think Kildare fans have created a great atmosphere unless you want people to just sit on their hands and knees.
Title: Re: Fermanagh v Kildare
Post by: Jayop on July 07, 2018, 07:49:15 PM
I think anyone booing a free taker is a sc**bag and anyone jeering a player kicking a wide when your own team is miles infront is also a t**ker.

You can support your tea. You can without being at that crap.
Title: Re: Fermanagh v Kildare
Post by: mup on July 07, 2018, 07:52:56 PM
Quote from: Jayop on July 07, 2018, 07:49:15 PM
I think anyone booing a free taker is a sc**bag and anyone jeering a player kicking a wide when your own team is miles infront is also a t**ker.

You can support your tea. You can without being at that crap.

f**k sake Ricey you shouldn't be on social media during the game.
Title: Re: Fermanagh v Kildare
Post by: Jinxy on July 07, 2018, 08:21:19 PM
Who will Kildare play in Croke Park in the Super 8s?
Title: Re: Fermanagh v Kildare
Post by: Gael85 on July 07, 2018, 08:29:40 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 07, 2018, 08:21:19 PM
Who will Kildare play in Croke Park in the Super 8s?

Winner of Monaghan/Laois.
Title: Re: Fermanagh v Kildare
Post by: Hound on July 07, 2018, 08:31:08 PM
Not unfair to say the Kildare fans may be a bit odd, but their team sure doing the county proud. I've said for a while they're at about Galway's level, just pretending not to be! Will be very interesting how they do against them. Games every week absolutely no bother to Kildare
Title: Re: Fermanagh v Kildare
Post by: Jinxy on July 07, 2018, 08:41:26 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on July 07, 2018, 08:29:40 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 07, 2018, 08:21:19 PM
Who will Kildare play in Croke Park in the Super 8s?

Winner of Monaghan/Laois.

So they would play Galway in Newbridge, and Kerry in Killarney, that right?
Title: Re: Fermanagh v Kildare
Post by: Dinny Breen on July 07, 2018, 10:59:26 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 07, 2018, 08:41:26 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on July 07, 2018, 08:29:40 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 07, 2018, 08:21:19 PM
Who will Kildare play in Croke Park in the Super 8s?

Winner of Monaghan/Laois.

So they would play Galway in Newbridge, and Kerry in Killarney, that right?

Aye, hard to stop a horse.
Title: Re: Fermanagh v Kildare
Post by: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on July 08, 2018, 12:01:49 AM
Delighted to get the win, some absolutely lovely stuff played at times, nice point taking in the first half and plenty of key players rested towards the end. Too many chances given to Fermanagh but hopefully they can tighten up in a more intense game. The bit of skill from Neil Flynn in the corner in the build up to the second goal looked class in real time.
Hopefully Monaghan & Laois ends up in extra time tomorrow, with a mass brawl and numerous straight reds. Another scramble for tickets for the Galway game.
Title: Re: Fermanagh v Kildare
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 08, 2018, 12:50:55 AM
Kildare played some sparkling football in that first half. Clear to see that there were a few lessons learned from the Carlow match. Ideal outcome that we were able to get the likes of Feely off well before the end and get some more minutes into some of the subs. The Super 8 format will test the depth of the panel.

We would have taken this five weeks ago. Amazing what a bit of momentum and confidence can do.
Title: Re: Fermanagh v Kildare
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on July 08, 2018, 03:17:55 AM
Hello lads.

It's been a while since our paths have crossed. Ye probably owe us one. Or two. Should be fun.
Title: Re: Fermanagh v Kildare
Post by: FermGael on July 08, 2018, 07:30:56 AM
A very disappointing end to the year.
We really should have made a much closer game of that .
I believe we had 41 scoring chances throughout the game and took under 50% which has probably
been our downfall in the last 2 games.
Kildare were everything we were not in the first half.
Direct, accurate and clinical.
Something that we have to improve on.
Whenever Rory put both Quigley's in the full forward line with Tomas Corrigan there was a glimpse of what we could be like even though the game was over.
Promotion from division 2 achieved.
Ulster final and last 12 made.
A very good year when compared to last year.

Only one small gripe about today's game.
Fairly obvious that the gaa needs to change the steps rule for overcarring.
Lane constantly allowed players from both sides to take 8,9 or 10 steps between solos.

Good luck to Kildare in the super 8s.
Good attacking team with some excellent players
Only worry would be your full back line.
Title: Re: Fermanagh v Kildare
Post by: seafoid on July 08, 2018, 07:37:27 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 08, 2018, 12:50:55 AM
Kildare played some sparkling football in that first half. Clear to see that there were a few lessons learned from the Carlow match. Ideal outcome that we were able to get the likes of Feely off well before the end and get some more minutes into some of the subs. The Super 8 format will test the depth of the panel.

We would have taken this five weeks ago. Amazing what a bit of momentum and confidence can do.
Kildare's league run didn't make sense after last year. There are good players but something was missing.  It is fantastic to see Kildare in the last 8.
Title: Re: Fermanagh v Kildare
Post by: Captain Scarlet on July 08, 2018, 08:47:12 AM
Thanks for the good post Ferm. I think the main issue in terms of shooting it Kildare were not letting your lads who can shoot get on the ball,
It was clear at times that the wrong man was forced into the shot and some of the wides were very bad.

Our bench got a run too, but most of them didn't put their hand up enough to my mind. That's the second week in a row Healy had a big impact mind you.
Onwards we go and Galway in Newbridge will be a good laugh again.
Title: Re: Fermanagh v Kildare
Post by: haranguerer on July 09, 2018, 09:19:18 AM
Quote from: FermGael on July 08, 2018, 07:30:56 AM
A very disappointing end to the year.
We really should have made a much closer game of that .
I believe we had 41 scoring chances throughout the game and took under 50% which has probably
been our downfall in the last 2 games.
Kildare were everything we were not in the first half.
Direct, accurate and clinical.
Something that we have to improve on.
Whenever Rory put both Quigley's in the full forward line with Tomas Corrigan there was a glimpse of what we could be like even though the game was over.
Promotion from division 2 achieved.
Ulster final and last 12 made.
A very good year when compared to last year.

Only one small gripe about today's game.
Fairly obvious that the gaa needs to change the steps rule for overcarring.
Lane constantly allowed players from both sides to take 8,9 or 10 steps between solos.


Good luck to Kildare in the super 8s.
Good attacking team with some excellent players
Only worry would be your full back line.

Disappointing aright, but overall a year we can build on.

Re the bit in bold, your logic (and I often see this sort of thing said) doesn't follow. The issue is the referee isn't enforcing the rule, so what good does changing the rule do? Make referees enforce it.

If there is an issue with the rule when it is enforced, then that's a separate issue. But the problem at the minute is referees aren't enforcing it, we need to deal with that first.
Title: Re: Fermanagh v Kildare
Post by: FermGael on July 09, 2018, 08:38:05 PM
I would agree with you.
But it's not being enforced.
If you enforced it properly you might see a return of the art of man on man defending.