The Armagh County Board would like to announce that it has appointed Paddy O'Rourke as the new Senior Football manager. Paddy spoke exclusively about becoming Armagh's new manager to www.armagh-gaa.com. See the link below to access it
http://www.armagh-gaa.com/Armagh-TV/News/PADDY-O-ROURKE-CONFIRMED-AS-NEW-ARMAGH-MANAGER.aspx
Is this a joke, if not God help Armagh
FFS :(
Please tell me this is a elaborate hoax. This is pathetic.
The armagh county board can go and f**k themselves
Nothing on BBC yet. What time was meeting?
Is this a leak or an announcement?
This would want to be a f**king joke!
I really hope I have fallen into some sort of parallel Universe & this is April Fool's Day!!!!!!!!! I am now a totally disillusioned & angry Armagh supporter. The question WTF? springs to mind!!!!!!!!!!
good luck to paddy o rourke--he stepped up whenever others said no
I wish him all the best and hope he brings in a good backroom team
catch yerself on naka. who said no? grimley and McAlinden? 2 men.
Paddy o'rourke shouldn't be in the first 100 candidates
Quote from: LeoMc on October 02, 2009, 08:22:30 PM
Nothing on BBC yet. What time was meeting?
Is this a leak or an announcement?
Check the link. There's a f**king interview with the man.
Has there been ratification by the clubs? If not, how can this farce possibly be accepted?
Was Paddy Crozier not available?
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 02, 2009, 08:29:07 PM
catch yerself on naka. who said no? grimley and McAlinden? 2 men.
Paddy o'rourke shouldn't be in the first 100 candidates
rafferty said no,
who else was there its for a short period ,i expect some of 2002 to be selecters
McGrath would have been better ffs.
FFS any of our own with no experience would have been better.
I can't believe this, a man who was a complete disaster in his own county, and now we've got him.
What a complete joke we are, I'd say the country is laughing at us and they'd be right to.
o dear
Quote from: naka on October 02, 2009, 08:31:45 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 02, 2009, 08:29:07 PM
catch yerself on naka. who said no? grimley and McAlinden? 2 men.
Paddy o'rourke shouldn't be in the first 100 candidates
rafferty said no,
who else was there its for a short period ,i expect some of 2002 to be selecters
rafferty wasnt contacted.
2002 lads wouldn't touch this calamity in a million years
Oops !!!!!!!
Surely there's some mistake here ??
Quote from: naka on October 02, 2009, 08:31:45 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 02, 2009, 08:29:07 PM
catch yerself on naka. who said no? grimley and McAlinden? 2 men.
Paddy o'rourke shouldn't be in the first 100 candidates
rafferty said no,
who else was there its for a short period ,i expect some of 2002 to be selecters
Donal Murtagh
Packie McConville
Paul McShane
Justin McNulty
Aidan O'Rourke
Pete McGrath
Micky Moran
Eamon McEnaney
John Rafferty
Peter Rafferty
Diarmaid Marsden
Neil Smyth
I could go on.
Sure George Graham won a cup with Spurs.
You are right Pints, the Country is laughing at youse. Its bloody hilarious
f**k it, i'll not be back to watch it
Disastrous. Those curtains.
Congrats to Paddy on his aqppointment. He was looking to get back in to management for a while and may as well start at the bottom. :D
what a complete and utter disgrace.
we've got what we deserved
Quote from: hardstation on October 02, 2009, 08:36:31 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on October 02, 2009, 08:35:28 PM
Quote from: naka on October 02, 2009, 08:31:45 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 02, 2009, 08:29:07 PM
catch yerself on naka. who said no? grimley and McAlinden? 2 men.
Paddy o'rourke shouldn't be in the first 100 candidates
rafferty said no,
who else was there its for a short period ,i expect some of 2002 to be selecters
Donal Murtagh
Packie McConville
Paul McShane
Justin McNulty
Aidan O'Rourke
Pete McGrath
Micky Moran
Eamon McEnaney
John Rafferty
Peter Rafferty
Diarmaid Marsden
I could go on.
Jody.
Jody Gormley
Dinny Hollywood
Stephen Casey
Brian Canavan
Gerard Houlihan
Someone please come on and say it's a big wind up.
Quote from: Pangurban on October 02, 2009, 08:36:39 PM
You are right Pints, the Country is laughing at youse. Its bloody hilarious
Theres fcuk all funny about it.
A disgraceful decision by men who either dont care, got tired of the process so just said feck it, drew straws and Paddy won or they are just mindless fcukwits, my money is on optio number three.
May the hairs on the shucks of their arses turn into drumsticks and bate the balls aff them. Cnuts. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Who is pulling the strings here?
Is Hugh Morgan choosing the manager?
How do 2 men who won 2 All Irelands and 5 Ulsters between them as managers get passed over for this clown?
Did Down even win a championship game under his management?
Under normal circumstances if you were a Down fan laughing at us I'd tell you to F off, but in all honesty I could'nt blame you if you were laughing at us right now.
From AI champions to a joke in 7 years
Jaysus boys sure Paddy was 9 points ahead of the future All-Ireland champs in the Ulster final in 2003.
Quote from: stew on October 02, 2009, 08:40:46 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on October 02, 2009, 08:36:39 PM
You are right Pints, the Country is laughing at youse. Its bloody hilarious
Theres fcuk all funny about it.
A disgraceful decision by men who either dont care, got tired of the process so just said feck it, drew straws and Paddy won or they are just mindless fcukwits, my money is on optio number three.
May the hairs on the shucks of their arses turn into drumsticks and bate the balls aff them. Cnuts. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
There is plenty funny about it if you're not from Armagh.
Kevin McGourty (FF) has declared an interest in returning to Senior inter-county football.
Seriously.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on October 02, 2009, 08:49:04 PM
Kevin McGourty (FF) has declared an interest in returning to Senior inter-county football.
Seriously.
With which county?
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on October 02, 2009, 08:39:38 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 02, 2009, 08:36:31 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on October 02, 2009, 08:35:28 PM
Quote from: naka on October 02, 2009, 08:31:45 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 02, 2009, 08:29:07 PM
catch yerself on naka. who said no? grimley and McAlinden? 2 men.
Paddy o'rourke shouldn't be in the first 100 candidates
rafferty said no,
who else was there its for a short period ,i expect some of 2002 to be selecters
Donal Murtagh
Packie McConville
Paul McShane
Justin McNulty
Aidan O'Rourke
Pete McGrath
Micky Moran
Eamon McEnaney
John Rafferty
Peter Rafferty
Diarmaid Marsden
I could go on.
Jody.
Jody Gormley
Dinny Hollywood
Stephen Casey
Brian Canavan
Gerard Houlihan
Ally McLeod
Kevin Keegan
Roy Coyle
Willie Frazer
Pints learns of new Armagh manager on gaaboard.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Zuhk2j4vCs
Think I'll add Kevin to my list of people who I'd rather have gotten the Armagh job. OK he mightn't be a whole lot better but at least there'd be a bit of craic with him.
Just got a text there wondering if Plunkett Donaghy is still available.
Shock decision...
But who was to get were on a loser i feared....listen best of luck to him and i think we have to get behind him....remember there were two player reps on the selection panel so they must have given go ahead.....time for the county to become united again...
Quote from: Trevor Hill on October 02, 2009, 08:50:17 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on October 02, 2009, 08:49:04 PM
Kevin McGourty (FF) has declared an interest in returning to Senior inter-county football.
Seriously.
With which county?
There are two clues in the thread title.
Cannot believe that any Down man would lower himself to take this job. I was disgusted when McGrath expressed an interest in the job. How the mighty have fallen, managing the unmanageable.
At the same time I am sure the likes of Donagh, Pints and the rest of the Armagh posters are as sick as parrots. I cannot wait until we meet you in the league next year. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Quote from: Real1995 on October 02, 2009, 08:52:15 PM
Shock decision...
But who was to get were on a loser i feared....listen best of luck to him and i think we have to get behind him....remember there were two player reps on the selection panel so they must have given go ahead.....time for the county to become united again...
Certainly seems like he has united the County...absolutely everyone is disgusted
Quote from: Cúig huaire on October 02, 2009, 08:57:29 PM
Cannot believe that any Down man would lower himself to take this job. I was disgusted when McGrath expressed an interest in the job. How the mighty have fallen, managing the unmanageable.
At the same time I am sure the likes of Donagh, Pints and the rest of the Armagh posters are as sick as parrots. I cannot wait until we meet you in the league next year. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
At this stage I really dont care what happens.
I'm amazed the players have apparently supported this.
(http://www.downgaa.net/downgaa/football/county/senior/2002/paddyorourke.jpg)
Just in case anyone doesnt know who the new Armagh manager is ;)
Quote from: Real1995 on October 02, 2009, 08:52:15 PM
Shock decision...
But who was to get were on a loser i feared....listen best of luck to him and i think we have to get behind him....remember there were two player reps on the selection panel so they must have given go ahead.....time for the county to become united again...
I really don't think we have to, nor should, accept this. Surely if this were put to a vote among the clubs, as it should be, there's no way it would get the support of anything close to a majority of club representatives. I have nothing personal against Paddy O'Rourke and have no grudge to bear against him but he is blantantly not the man for the job and I can't even begin to think what criteria somebody used to select him. The clubs need to make their voices heard on this one.
As for player reps, the selection committee in today's Irish News doesn't mention any current players, just Paul McGrane. Seems amazing though that McGrane would allow his name to be connected to this farce.
Quote from: Cúig huaire on October 02, 2009, 09:04:11 PM
(http://www.downgaa.net/downgaa/football/county/senior/2002/paddyorourke.jpg)
Just in case anyone doesnt know who the new Armagh manager is ;)
Good God, I didnt know that there were any colour photos of that.It was sooooo long ago.
If this is what the players came up with, then it is the perfect example of why players should have f**k all to do with appointing managers.
Was talking about the appointment to a few GAA mates during the week, and I asked if we might end up with a compromise that nobody really wanted but that everybody could accept.
I had a few names in mind but never ever ever in my deepest darkest nightmare could I have imagined that the county board would take leave of their senses to this extent
O'Rourke named as Armagh boss
Paddy O'Rourke has been confirmed as Armagh's new Senior manager.
Friday, 02 October 2009
Tags: gaa Local Sport
He is the first manager to come from outside Armagh since 1977.
While playing for Down, O'Rourke led them to their All Ireland win in 1991 but was axed as County manager in 2006 after a poor championship campaign.
"I find Armagh a very attractive county. You're a very passionate county," O'Rourke told the club's website.
Article Continues
"It's a very special jersey. It has been made even more special but the heights that the jersey has gone to. I want every player to earn and die for the jersey, be very committed to the cause of being successful for Armagh."
Paddy O'Rourke said he wanted to appoint two selectors from inside the county, as well as a coach and a medical team.
He replaces Peter McDonnell who resigned as the team's coach in July.
© UTV News
As much as I laughed when I saw this, I would have thought this couldn't be confirmed until the County Committee delegates actually approve it. If they (the delegates) have any sense and the management committee threaten to walk again (as they did when Grimley was passed over for McDonnell IIRC) I'd let them go. On a serious level, I'd say anyone that feels strongly enough should be agitating their County Board rep to veto this when it comes up for approval.
Quote from: tyrone86 on October 02, 2009, 09:12:39 PM
As much as I laughed when I saw this, I would have thought this couldn't be confirmed until the County Committee delegates actually approve it. If they (the delegates) have any sense and the management committee threaten to walk again (as they did when Grimley was passed over for McDonnell IIRC) I'd let them go. On a serious level, I'd say anyone that feels strongly enough should be agitating their County Board rep to veto this when it comes up for approval.
The suggestion on orcahrdcounty is that the clubs ratified this. >:( :o
Armagh Fans disgusted, the rest of the Country bent double with laughter and delight, but spare a thought for a Man who must be totally bewildered by this turn of events, namely Pete Mc Grath. Bad enough, indeed scandalous that that his own Co. rejected him, but to be passed over again by the neighbours, must be a huge blow to his esteem. I suspect Louth will be beneficiaries of Down and Armaghs stupidity
Quote from: orangeman on October 02, 2009, 09:12:28 PM
O'Rourke named as Armagh boss
Paddy O'Rourke has been confirmed as Armagh's new Senior manager.
Friday, 02 October 2009
Tags: gaa Local Sport
He is the first manager to come from outside Armagh since 1977.
While playing for Down, O'Rourke led them to their All Ireland win in 1991 but was axed as County manager in 2006 after a poor championship campaign.
"I find Armagh a very attractive county. You're a very passionate county," O'Rourke told the club's website.
Article Continues
"It's a very special jersey. It has been made even more special but the heights that the jersey has gone to. I want every player to earn and die for the jersey, be very committed to the cause of being successful for Armagh."
Paddy O'Rourke said he wanted to appoint two selectors from inside the county, as well as a coach and a medical team.
He replaces Peter McDonnell who resigned as the team's coach in July.
© UTV News
Reading this bullshit from a down man makes me sick
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 02, 2009, 09:16:56 PM
Quote from: orangeman on October 02, 2009, 09:12:28 PM
O'Rourke named as Armagh boss
Paddy O'Rourke has been confirmed as Armagh's new Senior manager.
Friday, 02 October 2009
Tags: gaa Local Sport
He is the first manager to come from outside Armagh since 1977.
While playing for Down, O'Rourke led them to their All Ireland win in 1991 but was axed as County manager in 2006 after a poor championship campaign.
"I find Armagh a very attractive county. You're a very passionate county," O'Rourke told the club's website.
Article Continues
"It's a very special jersey. It has been made even more special but the heights that the jersey has gone to. I want every player to earn and die for the jersey, be very committed to the cause of being successful for Armagh."
Paddy O'Rourke said he wanted to appoint two selectors from inside the county, as well as a coach and a medical team.
He replaces Peter McDonnell who resigned as the team's coach in July.
© UTV News
Reading this bullshit from a down man makes me sick
It's bound to be a bit sickening alright.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_bSBrOcmzAaY/SlfJvzmv39I/AAAAAAAAAHw/OFVqW1hRV5Y/s320/laughing+dawig.jpg)
Quote from: Pangurban on October 02, 2009, 09:16:13 PM
Armagh Fans disgusted, the rest of the Country bent double with laughter and delight, but spare a thought for a Man who must be totally bewildered by this turn of events, namely Pete Mc Grath. Bad enough, indeed scandalous that that his own Co. rejected him, but to be passed over again by the neighbours, must be a huge blow to his esteem. I suspect Louth will be beneficiaries of Down and Armaghs stupidity
The rest of the country couldn't care less but a few obsessives in Down and to a lesser extent Tyrone seem to be happy alright.
I text a number of people and wasn't believed and now it's on the news all I'm getting is texts back ranting and reaving about the county board. :-\
as a Down man and all joking aside, what looks like a ridiculous appointment might actually turn out to surprise a few people on here.
How did we get here. what a joke.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on October 02, 2009, 09:22:46 PM
I text a number of people and wasn't believed and now it's on the news all I'm getting is texts back ranting and reaving about the county board. :-\
In fairness pints, no one ever believes a word you say.
Getting vibes through that getting players to tog out might be por's biggest job
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 02, 2009, 09:26:17 PM
Getting vibes through that getting players to tog out might be por's biggest job
Why do you say that? I thought they approved this?
A joke of a process. The appointment of Paddy o'Rourke only verifies how
incompetent the county board have become.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on October 02, 2009, 09:27:32 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 02, 2009, 09:26:17 PM
Getting vibes through that getting players to tog out might be por's biggest job
Why do you say that? I thought they approved this?
Not as clear cut as all that apparently
wellif thats the case then paddy will just do what he did when manager of Burren, go to their houses and drag them out of the bed by the ears to play.
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 02, 2009, 09:26:17 PM
Getting vibes through that getting players to tog out might be por's biggest job
There will be plenty more lining up to take their places
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 02, 2009, 09:26:17 PM
Getting vibes through that getting players to tog out might be por's biggest job
A mess. Surely they'll tog out regardless ?
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on October 02, 2009, 09:21:54 PM
The rest of the country couldn't care less but a few obsessives in Down and to a lesser extent Tyrone seem to be happy alright.
I don't think they really care, you can't make a silk purse from a pigs ear.
Quote from: Zapatista on October 02, 2009, 09:35:02 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on October 02, 2009, 09:21:54 PM
The rest of the country couldn't care less but a few obsessives in Down and to a lesser extent Tyrone seem to be happy alright.
I don't think they really care, you can't make a silk purse from a pigs ear.
Read through the thread, there's a few that clearly do care.
I think youre taking this far too personal TacadoirArdMhacha
Quote from: Bensars on October 02, 2009, 09:29:51 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 02, 2009, 09:26:17 PM
Getting vibes through that getting players to tog out might be por's biggest job
There will be plenty more lining up to take their places
Of course. but not all players at the top play for the sake of it. you have to convince them that they can win. i can see lads deciding the slog won't get them near an all ireland with this clown in charge and spend the year with their clubs - knowing he'll be booted at the end of it
Armagh will now use this as their county song. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlBiLNN1NhQ
It gets better or worse depending on what side you're on :
O'Rourke named as new Armagh boss
Paddy O'Rourke has been confirmed as Orchard manager for three years
Former Down captain and manager Paddy O'Rourke has been appointed as the new Armagh senior football boss.
O'Rourke was dismissed from the Mourne job in 2006 but he makes a surprise return in neighbouring county Armagh as the successor to Peter McDonnell.
O'Rourke, who was captain of the Down team which won the All-Ireland title in 1991, has been handed a three-year term in the Orchard hotseat.
The former Burren club manager has yet to confirm his backroom team.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on October 02, 2009, 09:36:37 PM
Read through the thread, there's a few that clearly do care.
They care about fueling your reaction :D
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O'Rourke, who was captain of the Down team which won the All-Ireland title in 1991, has been handed a three-year term in the Orchard hotseat
it gets f**king worse
Quote from: orangeman on October 02, 2009, 09:39:22 PM
It gets better or worse depending on what side you're on :
O'Rourke named as new Armagh boss
Paddy O'Rourke has been confirmed as Orchard manager for three years
Former Down captain and manager Paddy O'Rourke has been appointed as the new Armagh senior football boss.
O'Rourke was dismissed from the Mourne job in 2006 but he makes a surprise return in neighbouring county Armagh as the successor to Peter McDonnell.
O'Rourke, who was captain of the Down team which won the All-Ireland title in 1991, has been handed a three-year term in the Orchard hotseat.
The former Burren club manager has yet to confirm his backroom team.
If he gets to do a year that'll be the height of it
Like him or loath him he has a lot more experience both playing and managerially than some of the names mentioned. I said all along that he shouldnt have taken a lot of the flak last year. The reality was that the down over the last couple of years hadnt the bottle for the fight
Quote from: pintsofguinness on October 02, 2009, 09:40:49 PM
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O'Rourke, who was captain of the Down team which won the All-Ireland title in 1991, has been handed a three-year term in the Orchard hotseat
it gets f**king worse
Its all a matter of perspective pints. ;)
Quote from: pintsofguinness on October 02, 2009, 09:40:49 PM
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O'Rourke, who was captain of the Down team which won the All-Ireland title in 1991, has been handed a three-year term in the Orchard hotseat
it gets f**king worse
I can't wait for that wee skip in response to a win ! ;) Peter O'Donnell would never have done that wee dance.
Quote from: Bensars on October 02, 2009, 09:41:51 PM
Like him or loath him he has a lot more experience both playing and managerially than some of the names mentioned. I said all along that he shouldnt have taken a lot of the flak last year. The reality was that the down over the last couple of years hadnt the bottle for the fight
what has he won as a manager. with club or county?
Fairs fair, I bursted a gut after Down took the caravan dweller to run their show, we seem to have stooped to the same level. Have your funs boys, in three years time we will be winning AI's. :o
Quote from: Bensars on October 02, 2009, 09:41:51 PM
Like him or loath him he has a lot more experience both playing and managerially than some of the names mentioned. I said all along that he shouldnt have taken a lot of the flak last year. The reality was that the down over the last couple of years hadnt the bottle for the fight
YOu're better going with someone who's untested than someone who has been tested and has failed miserably!
After my first initial what the fcuk?, I thought about this and I reckon it is a very clever ploy. We all know that Paddy is on his way out already before the ink has even dried on the deal. Give him 12 months as a patsy taking Armagh no where in particular. Some older players may move on. McGeeney's 3 years will be up at Kildare, ad back he comes. I have heard there is another potential backer waiting in the wings on the financial side and perhaps he has had some input into things.
Quote from: stew on October 02, 2009, 09:44:47 PM
Fairs fair, I bursted a gut after Down took the caravan dweller to run their show, we seem to have stooped to the same level. Have your funs boys, in three years time we will be winning AI's. :o
Stew what the f**k do you mean by that?
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 02, 2009, 09:44:07 PM
Quote from: Bensars on October 02, 2009, 09:41:51 PM
Like him or loath him he has a lot more experience both playing and managerially than some of the names mentioned. I said all along that he shouldnt have taken a lot of the flak last year. The reality was that the down over the last couple of years hadnt the bottle for the fight
what has he won as a manager. with club or county?
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That hardly matters, does it ?
Quote from: pintsofguinness on October 02, 2009, 09:45:03 PM
Quote from: Bensars on October 02, 2009, 09:41:51 PM
Like him or loath him he has a lot more experience both playing and managerially than some of the names mentioned. I said all along that he shouldnt have taken a lot of the flak last year. The reality was that the down over the last couple of years hadnt the bottle for the fight
YOu're better going with someone who's untested than someone who has been tested and has failed miserably!
No one in Armagh has won more than POR.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dsY8QUxFLk
Quote from: orangeman on October 02, 2009, 09:46:08 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 02, 2009, 09:44:07 PM
Quote from: Bensars on October 02, 2009, 09:41:51 PM
Like him or loath him he has a lot more experience both playing and managerially than some of the names mentioned. I said all along that he shouldnt have taken a lot of the flak last year. The reality was that the down over the last couple of years hadnt the bottle for the fight
what has he won as a manager. with club or county?
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That hardly matters, does it ?
hardly matters? f**k off ye clown
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 02, 2009, 09:51:17 PM
Quote from: orangeman on October 02, 2009, 09:46:08 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 02, 2009, 09:44:07 PM
Quote from: Bensars on October 02, 2009, 09:41:51 PM
Like him or loath him he has a lot more experience both playing and managerially than some of the names mentioned. I said all along that he shouldnt have taken a lot of the flak last year. The reality was that the down over the last couple of years hadnt the bottle for the fight
what has he won as a manager. with club or county?
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That hardly matters, does it ?
hardly matters? f**k off ye clown
There's plenty of managerial appointments made and a lot of them have won nothing. Sorry you took me up wrong there.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 02, 2009, 09:45:18 PM
After my first initial what the fcuk?, I thought about this and I reckon it is a very clever ploy. We all know that Paddy is on his way out already before the ink has even dried on the deal. Give him 12 months as a patsy taking Armagh no where in particular. Some older players may move on. McGeeney's 3 years will be up at Kildare, ad back he comes. I have heard there is another potential backer waiting in the wings on the financial side and perhaps he has had some input into things.
Are you saying that McGeeney will only come back when Armagh can afford to pay him?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 02, 2009, 09:45:18 PM
After my first initial what the fcuk?, I thought about this and I reckon it is a very clever ploy. We all know that Paddy is on his way out already before the ink has even dried on the deal. Give him 12 months as a patsy taking Armagh no where in particular. Some older players may move on. McGeeney's 3 years will be up at Kildare, ad back he comes. I have heard there is another potential backer waiting in the wings on the financial side and perhaps he has had some input into things.
you could be right but would Kieran want to come back to a team that will be rebuilding
John rafferty has won three county titles and an ulster club championship
peter rafferty has won an ulster and all ireland u21
donal murtagh has won 3 county championships, 3 ulster clubs in a row and an all ireland club
Brian mcalinden has won 2 ulster titles - when they mattered
paddy o'rourke has won nothing
whay not give it to an armagh man who has won nothing?
are you advocating not considering managerial records when making appointments?
bad experience is way worse than no experience
Quote from: Trevor Hill on October 02, 2009, 09:57:53 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 02, 2009, 09:45:18 PM
After my first initial what the fcuk?, I thought about this and I reckon it is a very clever ploy. We all know that Paddy is on his way out already before the ink has even dried on the deal. Give him 12 months as a patsy taking Armagh no where in particular. Some older players may move on. McGeeney's 3 years will be up at Kildare, ad back he comes. I have heard there is another potential backer waiting in the wings on the financial side and perhaps he has had some input into things.
Are you saying that McGeeney will only come back when Armagh can afford to pay him?
I heard there was a new financial backer prepared to come in for this incoming year but it was vetoed.
There's been a backer sitting there 4 years being turned down every year. old boys' network is more important than money
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 02, 2009, 10:00:18 PM
John rafferty has won three county titles and an ulster club championship
peter rafferty has won an ulster and all ireland u21
donal murtagh has won 3 county championships, 3 ulster clubs in a row and an all ireland club
Brian mcalinden has won 2 ulster titles - when they mattered
paddy o'rourke has won nothing
whay not give it to an armagh man who has won nothing?
are you advocating not considering managerial records when making appointments?
bad experience is way worse than no experience
It's obviously best to have had a degree of success behind you but what I'm saying is that there are clubs / counties out there who are handing out jobs to people who have won nothing and this doesn't preclude them from applying in the first instance or getting appointed.
The CB have decided in their wisdom with or without the approval of the clubs that POR was the best man for the job. Obviously they don't see his lack of titles in his managerial career as a stumbling block to progress with Armagh.
Personally I agree with you but there you go.
When O'Rourke was manager of Down the consencus was that he couldn't be faulted for enthusiasm, but had no clue when it came to setting a team up to play football.
Just can't get my head around how this decision was made. Only conclusion is that everyone else must have said no. What other possible reason could there be
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 02, 2009, 10:03:10 PM
There's been a backer sitting there 4 years being turned down every year. old boys' network is more important than money
Is Hughie skint?
Quote from: BroJolly on October 02, 2009, 10:06:02 PM
When O'Rourke was manager of Down the consencus was that he couldn't be faulted for enthusiasm, but had no clue when it came to setting a team up to play football.
Just can't get my head around how this decision was made. Only conclusion is that everyone else must have said no. What other possible reason could there be
Money ???
I'm sure O'Rourke will get well paid, which makes this even worse!!
Quote from: BroJolly on October 02, 2009, 10:08:16 PM
I'm sure O'Rourke will get well paid, which makes this even worse!!
Paddy is a good honest GAA man and would never look for money. He also wouldnt be short of a bob or two so he isnt taking the Armagh job for the money.
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 02, 2009, 10:03:10 PM
There's been a backer sitting there 4 years being turned down every year. old boys' network is more important than money
sometimes it is not always the money that goes thru the books that counts with sponsors 8)
Quote from: Trevor Hill on October 02, 2009, 10:06:39 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 02, 2009, 10:03:10 PM
There's been a backer sitting there 4 years being turned down every year. old boys' network is more important than money
Is Hughie skint?
He doesn't put in as that much - relatively speaking. there are several "second tier backers" who contribute almost as much.
the potential sponsor is talking mega money - relatively
Quote from: naka on October 02, 2009, 10:10:47 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 02, 2009, 10:03:10 PM
There's been a backer sitting there 4 years being turned down every year. old boys' network is more important than money
sometimes it is not always the money that goes thru the books that counts with sponsors 8)
That is a very accurate point
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 02, 2009, 10:11:01 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on October 02, 2009, 10:06:39 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 02, 2009, 10:03:10 PM
There's been a backer sitting there 4 years being turned down every year. old boys' network is more important than money
Is Hughie skint?
He doesn't put in as that much - relatively speaking. there are several "second tier backers" who contribute almost as much.
the potential sponsor is talking mega money - relatively
Duffleking, any clues as to who the potential sponsor is?
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 02, 2009, 10:11:46 PM
Quote from: naka on October 02, 2009, 10:10:47 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 02, 2009, 10:03:10 PM
There's been a backer sitting there 4 years being turned down every year. old boys' network is more important than money
sometimes it is not always the money that goes thru the books that counts with sponsors 8)
That is a very accurate point
Its not a manger you need, its a money launderer.
or both...
Quote from: Cúig huaire on October 02, 2009, 10:10:35 PM
Quote from: BroJolly on October 02, 2009, 10:08:16 PM
I'm sure O'Rourke will get well paid, which makes this even worse!!
Paddy is a good honest GAA man and would never look for money. He also wouldnt be short of a bob or two so he isnt taking the Armagh job for the money.
Definitely he comes across as this. But given the handling with Grimley etc, I can understand why Armagh posters are shocked and disappointment at his appointment.
Quote from: Smokin Joe on October 02, 2009, 10:12:18 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 02, 2009, 10:11:01 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on October 02, 2009, 10:06:39 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 02, 2009, 10:03:10 PM
There's been a backer sitting there 4 years being turned down every year. old boys' network is more important than money
Is Hughie skint?
He doesn't put in as that much - relatively speaking. there are several "second tier backers" who contribute almost as much.
the potential sponsor is talking mega money - relatively
Duffleking, any clues as to who the potential sponsor is?
Lets put it this way, he has sponsored teams with a much much bigger outlay than Armagh would ever need.
Paddy is a good honest GAA man and would never look for money. He also wouldnt be short of a bob or two so he isnt taking the Armagh job for the money.
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I don't know the man, but I would believe he is an honest GAA man. I don't know whether he's getting money or not. Don't really care. He's a shocking appointment
Quote from: yellowcard on October 02, 2009, 10:17:02 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on October 02, 2009, 10:12:18 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 02, 2009, 10:11:01 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on October 02, 2009, 10:06:39 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 02, 2009, 10:03:10 PM
There's been a backer sitting there 4 years being turned down every year. old boys' network is more important than money
Is Hughie skint?
He doesn't put in as that much - relatively speaking. there are several "second tier backers" who contribute almost as much.
the potential sponsor is talking mega money - relatively
Duffleking, any clues as to who the potential sponsor is?
Lets put it this way, he has sponsored teams with a much much bigger outlay than Armagh would ever need.
used to keep keano in cash
Quote from: Cúig huaire on October 02, 2009, 10:10:35 PM
Quote from: BroJolly on October 02, 2009, 10:08:16 PM
I'm sure O'Rourke will get well paid, which makes this even worse!!
Paddy is a good honest GAA man and would never look for money. He also wouldnt be short of a bob or two so he isnt taking the Armagh job for the money.
maybe i am a fool but would most managers not be in it for the game and not the money, excluding micko maybe
Quote from: yellowcard on October 02, 2009, 10:17:02 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on October 02, 2009, 10:12:18 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 02, 2009, 10:11:01 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on October 02, 2009, 10:06:39 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 02, 2009, 10:03:10 PM
There's been a backer sitting there 4 years being turned down every year. old boys' network is more important than money
Is Hughie skint?
He doesn't put in as that much - relatively speaking. there are several "second tier backers" who contribute almost as much.
the potential sponsor is talking mega money - relatively
Duffleking, any clues as to who the potential sponsor is?
Lets put it this way, he has sponsored teams with a much much bigger outlay than Armagh would ever need.
Boyles then?
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Paddy is a good honest GAA man and would never look for money. He also wouldnt be short of a bob or two so he isnt taking the Armagh job for the money.
I don't know the man, but I would believe he is an honest GAA man. I don't know whether he's getting money or not. Don't really care. He's a shocking appointment[/quote]
Would wee Pete have been looking money? He's certainly an honest and genuine GAA man as well. Also his record is vastly superior to our new manager.
o'rourke is a fool managing armagh. as some have already said he will be dumped after a year to be replaced by mc geeney
Quote from: dodgy umpire on October 02, 2009, 10:25:25 PM
o'rourke is a fool managing armagh. as some have already said he will be dumped after a year to be replaced by mc geeney
3 year contract has been reported. Surely ousting him will cause more hassle ?
There's no such thing as contracts in the GAA.
Who's going to oppose him getting rooted?
Cheers DuffleKing (and others). That just means that our County Board are even stupider than I thought they were.
They are crippling smaller clubs with various fees and charges (County Training Fund and Callan Bridge Payments), and yet they let a huge gravy train just pass by.
The mind boggles.............
Quote from: orangeman on October 02, 2009, 10:27:14 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on October 02, 2009, 10:25:25 PM
o'rourke is a fool managing armagh. as some have already said he will be dumped after a year to be replaced by mc geeney
3 year contract has been reported. Surely ousting him will cause more hassle ?
Down managers are notoriosly hard to get rid of. Werent the Armagh posters reminding us of that up ntil a few weeks ago. Karma :D
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 02, 2009, 10:28:28 PM
There's no such thing as contracts in the GAA.
Who's going to oppose him getting rooted?
Have you completely ruled out the possibility of him doing a good job and being successful even before a ball is kicked ?
Quote from: Smokin Joe on October 02, 2009, 10:29:22 PM
They are crippling smaller clubs with various fees and charges (County Training Fund and Callan Bridge Payments), and yet they let a huge gravy train just pass by.
The mind boggles.............
Where did this gravy train get his money from? Now I am not talking about gambling. ;)
There was never going to be an agreed candidate after the PG affair. Maybe the County board had the foresight to realise there was only one way to unite the County!
Quote from: dodgy umpire on October 02, 2009, 10:25:25 PM
o'rourke is a fool managing armagh. as some have already said he will be dumped after a year to be replaced by mc geeney
McGeeney won't go near the job whilst the current county board remains in its present structure. If McGeeney has another successful year with Kildare he will be the next Dublin manager.
Quote from: orangeman on October 02, 2009, 10:30:31 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 02, 2009, 10:28:28 PM
There's no such thing as contracts in the GAA.
Who's going to oppose him getting rooted?
Have you completely ruled out the possibility of him doing a good job and being successful even before a ball is kicked ?
yes
Quote from: yellowcard on October 02, 2009, 10:34:56 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on October 02, 2009, 10:25:25 PM
o'rourke is a fool managing armagh. as some have already said he will be dumped after a year to be replaced by mc geeney
McGeeney won't go near the job whilst the current county board remains in its present structure. If McGeeney has another successful year with Kildare he will be the next Dublin manager.
bang on
everyone who is as sick as i am should log onto the armagh county board website, leave a message and let them know what we all think of this shambolic appointment.
A COMPLETE JOKE
Is there a strike coming here?
clear off you trouble maker
Quote from: yellowcard on October 02, 2009, 10:34:56 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on October 02, 2009, 10:25:25 PM
o'rourke is a fool managing armagh. as some have already said he will be dumped after a year to be replaced by mc geeney
McGeeney won't go near the job whilst the current county board remains in its present structure. If McGeeney has another successful year with Kildare he will be the next Dublin manager.
Another successful year with Kildare? When was the first one?
armagh county board need to come clean and issue statment saying who was approached about job and what the f**k criteria they used to appoint por,their money maker in city hotel should be boycotted till genuine paying fans get answers >:(
Unbelievable. I didn't think they could actually manage to get someone more unsuitable than McGrath. ???
Quote from: dowling on October 02, 2009, 10:45:46 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on October 02, 2009, 10:34:56 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on October 02, 2009, 10:25:25 PM
o'rourke is a fool managing armagh. as some have already said he will be dumped after a year to be replaced by mc geeney
McGeeney won't go near the job whilst the current county board remains in its present structure. If McGeeney has another successful year with Kildare he will be the next Dublin manager.
Another successful year with Kildare? When was the first one?
Success is relative. Kildare have made real progress in each of the last 2 years. Next year they need to turn that into silverware in Leinster. Have a look at the reaction of Kildare fans on here when Geezer confirmed he was staying there. Tells you all you need to know.
Quote from: Donagh on October 02, 2009, 10:46:48 PM
Unbelievable. I didn't think they could actually manage to get someone more unsuitable than McGrath. ???
Glad to be of service Donagh. :D
Quote from: dowling on October 02, 2009, 10:45:46 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on October 02, 2009, 10:34:56 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on October 02, 2009, 10:25:25 PM
o'rourke is a fool managing armagh. as some have already said he will be dumped after a year to be replaced by mc geeney
McGeeney won't go near the job whilst the current county board remains in its present structure. If McGeeney has another successful year with Kildare he will be the next Dublin manager.
Another successful year with Kildare? When was the first one?
Every counties success is relative. From where Kildare were at the beginning of his reign I think this season can be deemed successful. However he has raised the bar for next season and must now go the next step and win a Leinster title.
Absolutely shocked at this appointment,
O Rourke is a decent enough manager,he had one good year with Down(when they reached Ulster Final and lost to tyrone in the replay)
And one very poor one when Cavan beat them in a replay in the first round.
other than that he doesnt have much pedigree,i dont think hes won much at club level or coached at sigerson level,correct me if im wrong.
The Armagh job alongside the Tyrone,Dublin,Galway,Kerry and a few others is a very high profile job,as Armagh have been very successful at all levels over the last 10 years.
im suprised they didnt get a more successfull and high profile candidate.
First interview with the new boss :
http://www.armagh-gaa.com/Armagh-TV/News/PADDY-O-ROURKE-CONFIRMED-AS-NEW-ARMAGH-MANAGER.aspx
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on October 02, 2009, 10:48:16 PM
Quote from: dowling on October 02, 2009, 10:45:46 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on October 02, 2009, 10:34:56 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on October 02, 2009, 10:25:25 PM
o'rourke is a fool managing armagh. as some have already said he will be dumped after a year to be replaced by mc geeney
McGeeney won't go near the job whilst the current county board remains in its present structure. If McGeeney has another successful year with Kildare he will be the next Dublin manager.
Another successful year with Kildare? When was the first one?
Success is relative. Kildare have made real progress in each of the last 2 years. Next year they need to turn that into silverware in Leinster. Have a look at the reaction of Kildare fans on here when Geezer confirmed he was staying there. Tells you all you need to know.
Well if everything is relative and Kerry hammered Dublin, beat Cork easy enough who beat Tyrone easy enough where does that leave Kildare? Ye boys want to catch yourselves on. And if the 2009 squad weren't consulted about this, and with the GPA connections in the county, going by the response here I'd say there's every possibility of a strike. I wouldn't agree with one but we'll see.
clear off you pretend gael
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 02, 2009, 11:09:18 PM
clear off you pretend gael
What are you getting on like that for? Others are coming on and asking for publicity of criteria, or who else was up or what people should do.
To be honest why don't you go back and look at what the last manager said after he was forced to resign. What's the old saying? 'Be careful what you wish for......'
You spent a year exclusively posting on the cork hurling strike thread trying to stir shit. now you're here to see if you can gather up some more dirt.
peddle your crap some place else
I was quite vociferous in the campaign to have Paddy removed from the Down job when it happened, but he still one of the great Down gaels and I'd like to wish him every success in his new position.
Armagh wans should note that his team selections and judgement of a player's best position were never far wrong for Down, and he is also a very good speaker - hence most of the Down squad wanted him retained at the time. It'll be most interesting though to watch how his desire to play "pure" football merges with the defensive, highly tactical football Armagh players have gotten used to in recent seasons.
I'd also say this - Armagh already have more genuinely talented man-marking defenders (McKeever, Mallon, Moriarty, P Kernan), than Down had throughout his 4 year tenure. So there is a better chance that this "pure" football might actually work with Armagh.
Quote from: orangeman on October 02, 2009, 11:02:55 PM
First interview with the new boss :
http://www.armagh-gaa.com/Armagh-TV/News/PADDY-O-ROURKE-CONFIRMED-AS-NEW-ARMAGH-MANAGER.aspx
Feck sake, they've wheeled out Jimmy to sell it ::) Some craic in Davitt Park this weekend...
I think Paddy P O Rourke will do well with Armagh, they are a committed bunch of players and that was his style as a player and hopefully he will carry this through
as for him managing Down well i dont think the Down lads at that time would have the same committment as the Armagh players and thats fact!!!!!!
just got a message from a blyney man who played under him. it just read....
lolololololololol
Quote from: thewobbler on October 02, 2009, 11:16:29 PM
I was quite vociferous in the campaign to have Paddy removed from the Down job when it happened, but he still one of the great Down gaels and I'd like to wish him every success in his new position.
Armagh wans should note that his team selections and judgement of a player's best position were never far wrong for Down, and he is also a very good speaker - hence most of the Down squad wanted him retained at the time. It'll be most interesting though to watch how his desire to play "pure" football merges with the defensive, highly tactical football Armagh players have gotten used to in recent seasons.
I'd also say this - Armagh already have more genuinely talented man-marking defenders (McKeever, Mallon, Moriarty, P Kernan), than Down had throughout his 4 year tenure. So there is a better chance that this "pure" football might actually work with Armagh.
Not sure Finnian is a genuine talented man marker though certainly he has his attributes.
Also not sure whether the good speaker thing matters for anything, which is why I'm always dubious of any interview process beyond ascertaining that a candidate is committed to taking the role.
Quote from: thewobbler on October 02, 2009, 11:16:29 PM
Moriarty genuinely talented man-marking defender
These words do not belong in the same sentance.
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 02, 2009, 11:15:52 PM
You spent a year exclusively posting on the cork hurling strike thread trying to stir shit. now you're here to see if you can gather up some more dirt.
peddle your crap some place else
Duffleking for now I'll try not to return your ignorance.
But this is part of the problem with some boys. Let's be honest the last manager didn't decide on his own that's it, that's as far as I can take them. Others decided they wanted someone else but to get that someone else firstly had to remove him. And according to him they used underhand tactics to do that. And then the popular choice Grimley makes demands which no county board could agree to. And then people are on here talking about McGeeney's success with Kildare?
When I heard tonight that ORouke got the job I said there would be eruptions in Armagh. I haven't rated Down for a few years so the jury is still out on him as a manager but I wouldn't have picked him for the job. It remains to be seen what the players think and with the GPA connections in Armagh it's not unreasonable to suggest there could be trouble ahead if there isn't player support of him. I'm looking further down the line.
What do you think? Will he have player support?
Get of your high horses lads & lassies, Armagh are a spent force for the forseeable future as far as senior football goes.
I think it's a good move for POR to try & rebuild his name in inter-county management with a team of has beens rather than with a team on the up, lets face facts here, Armagh have exited the championship before Down for the last two years.
If we go back over old posts by Armagh folk on the board, Down by all accounts are s_ite, enjoy the humble pie ;D
Quote from: mournerambler on October 02, 2009, 11:33:57 PM
lets face facts here, Armagh have exited the championship before Down for the last two years.
Untrue
Quote from: mournerambler on October 02, 2009, 11:33:57 PM
Down by all accounts are s_ite,
True
Quotelets face facts here, Armagh have exited the championship before Down for the last two years
That's a Down "fact", i.e. bollix.
Quote from: dowling on October 02, 2009, 11:30:13 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 02, 2009, 11:15:52 PM
You spent a year exclusively posting on the cork hurling strike thread trying to stir shit. now you're here to see if you can gather up some more dirt.
peddle your crap some place else
Duffleking for now I'll try not to return your ignorance.
But this is part of the problem with some boys. Let's be honest the last manager didn't decide on his own that's it, that's as far as I can take them. Others decided they wanted someone else but to get that someone else firstly had to remove him. And according to him they used underhand tactics to do that. And then the popular choice Grimley makes demands which no county board could agree to. And then people are on here talking about McGeeney's success with Kildare?
When I heard tonight that ORouke got the job I said there would be eruptions in Armagh. I haven't rated Down for a few years so the jury is still out on him as a manager but I wouldn't have picked him for the job. It remains to be seen what the players think and with the GPA connections in Armagh it's not unreasonable to suggest there could be trouble ahead if there isn't player support of him. I'm looking further down the line.
What do you think? Will he have player support?
Peter McDonnell? McGeeney? Grimley's demands?
you know nothing of any of these things.
what are the GPA got to do with anything except that you want them to be?
clear off you amateur
Lets get back to basics lads.
POR is an AI winning captain for DOWN.
He's after accepting the managership of ARMAGH.
Sorry lads...would he be able to give 100% to his neighbour.......
This is wierd shit...I dont know who the biggest eeijts are POR or the Armagh county board ??? ??? ???
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 02, 2009, 11:45:07 PM
Lets get back to basics lads.
POR is an AI winning captain for DOWN.
He's after accepting the managership of ARMAGH.
Sorry lads...would he be able to give 100% to his most hated enemy....
This is wierd shit...I dont know who the biggest eeijts are POR or the Armagh county board ??? ??? ???
Hated enemy is a bit strong to be fair.
I've no doubt he'll come and do his best. I just have no confidence that his best will be of any benefit.
Listening to that interview with Jimmy Smyth, I've no doubt that POR will be 100% committed to Armagh. He said he'd leave no stone unturned in order to ensure success and I believe him.
POR comes across as a decent man who eats,sleeps and drinks the game.
I honestly hope he does a good job.
I thought we were all amateurs.
I'm trying to make a serious point here if you can stop getting on like Reillers for a few posts.
I don't believe Armagh are the force they were but there's the potential to rebuild. Can they do it under ORourke? I doubt it. Did McGeeney think success was a kick of the ball away? I think he was too shrewd to think that. As for Grimley, well what are his credentials as a county manager?
But Armagh are now where they are. So what will happen next? I believe there'll be an effort to overturn this decision and the expression of opinion on this board re-enforces that. It's just a matter of where that effort come from.
Best of luck to him. I'm not exactly jumping over the moon, but I wasn't getting my hopes up with Armagh regardless of who could have got the job. He'll be working with a more talented squad than when he was with Down, and hopefully he gets a good strong backroom team. Have a feeling about who one of them might be...
FFS lads wind your necks in too F**k and give the man a chance, there's no point slabbering about it now. He's the Armagh manager so deal with it, if you don't wanna follow the team then stay the f**k in the house. No-one here knows how he's gonna do.
If he gets 2 good Armagh men as part of his team and they have a big input into team tactic's and team selection then why can't it work. Did it ever occur to you that he could have learned from his mistakes at Down and has a big point to prove and that he maybe didn't have a dedicated bunch of lads like we have not to mention no talent in Down especially defenders.
If he fails by all means rip the middle out of him but for now get behind the new Armagh manager and give him support.
Quote from: orangeman on October 02, 2009, 11:48:36 PM
Listening to that interview with Jimmy Smyth, I've no doubt that POR will be 100% committed to Armagh. He said he'd leave no stone unturned in order to ensure success and I believe him.
POR comes across as a decent man who eats,sleeps and drinks the game.
I honestly hope he does a good job.
Well said orangeman, nice to see that some Armagh folk can remove the blinkers to try & see the bigger picture & at least give the man a chance.
Quote from: orangeman on October 02, 2009, 11:48:36 PM
Listening to that interview with Jimmy Smyth, I've no doubt that POR will be 100% committed to Armagh. He said he'd leave no stone unturned in order to ensure success and I believe him.
POR comes across as a decent man who eats,sleeps and drinks the game.
I honestly hope he does a good job.
If I got the job I'd be well fit to do a passionate interview where I'd commit to doing everything I possibly could to succeed with Armagh.
I'd still be a crap intercounty manager though.
Jimmy Smith
Fitzroyalty
Illdecide
Who's next, Kevin Brady?
Quote from: Donagh on October 03, 2009, 12:01:42 AM
Jimmy Smith
Fitzroyalty
Illdecide
Who's next, Kevin Brady?
:D :D :D Teddy Martin ;)
Quote from: illdecide on October 02, 2009, 11:57:44 PM
FFS lads wind your necks in too F**k and give the man a chance, there's no point slabbering about it now. He's the Armagh manager so deal with it, if you don't wanna follow the team then stay the f**k in the house. No-one here knows how he's gonna do.
If he gets 2 good Armagh men as part of his team and they have a big input into team tactic's and team selection then why can't it work. Did it ever occur to you that he could have learned from his mistakes at Down and has a big point to prove and that he maybe didn't have a dedicated bunch of lads like we have not to mention no talent in Down especially defenders.
If he fails by all means rip the middle out of him but for now get behind the new Armagh manager and give him support.
There are genuine concerns over the way this whole process has unfolded, illdecide. People have a right to be critical and to demand explanations as to why things have turned out as they have. None of the anger and frustration expressed tonight is directed at Paddy O'Rourke.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on October 02, 2009, 11:58:47 PM
Quote from: orangeman on October 02, 2009, 11:48:36 PM
Listening to that interview with Jimmy Smyth, I've no doubt that POR will be 100% committed to Armagh. He said he'd leave no stone unturned in order to ensure success and I believe him.
POR comes across as a decent man who eats,sleeps and drinks the game.
I honestly hope he does a good job.
If I got the job I'd be well fit to do a passionate interview where I'd commit to doing everything I possibly could to succeed with Armagh.
I'd still be a crap intercounty manager though.
Exactly. Talk is cheap.
Maybe I'm confused here lads but I have an recurring echo in my head with 80,000 Down lads saying:
Why in the name of jaysus is O'Rourke doing this job....
Its like Martin O'Neill going to Ibrox...
Dalglish going to Old Trafford...
Fergie going to City...
PO going to Cork...
No logic in this transaction at all......
Let watch the fall out....
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 02, 2009, 11:40:30 PM
Quote from: dowling on October 02, 2009, 11:30:13 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 02, 2009, 11:15:52 PM
You spent a year exclusively posting on the cork hurling strike thread trying to stir shit. now you're here to see if you can gather up some more dirt.
peddle your crap some place else
Duffleking for now I'll try not to return your ignorance.
But this is part of the problem with some boys. Let's be honest the last manager didn't decide on his own that's it, that's as far as I can take them. Others decided they wanted someone else but to get that someone else firstly had to remove him. And according to him they used underhand tactics to do that. And then the popular choice Grimley makes demands which no county board could agree to. And then people are on here talking about McGeeney's success with Kildare?
When I heard tonight that ORouke got the job I said there would be eruptions in Armagh. I haven't rated Down for a few years so the jury is still out on him as a manager but I wouldn't have picked him for the job. It remains to be seen what the players think and with the GPA connections in Armagh it's not unreasonable to suggest there could be trouble ahead if there isn't player support of him. I'm looking further down the line.
What do you think? Will he have player support?
Peter McDonnell? McGeeney? Grimley's demands?
you know nothing of any of these things.
what are the GPA got to do with anything except that you want them to be?
clear off you amateur
Do you think the players will get behind ORourke? When it comes down to it that's what will matter.
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 03, 2009, 12:13:49 AM
Maybe I'm confused here lads but I have an recurring echo in my head with 80,000 Down lads saying:
Why in the name of jaysus is O'Rourke doing this job....
Its like Martin O'Neill going to Ibrox...
Dalglish going to Old Trafford...
Fergie going to City...
PO going to Cork...
No logic in this transaction at all......
Let watch the fall out....
To be fair its more like;
John Barnes going to Ibrox
Steve Staunton going to Windsor Park to manage NI
Tommy Lyons going to manage Meath
I'm stunned, totally out of the blue. But nothing should surprise us with this county board any more. Since Kevin Brady took over as Chairman, there has been too much shite happening. No offence to Paddy O'Rourke (always had a lot of time for him), but the fact that basically no one decent candidate within the county would touch the job with a very long stick, is a very very bad indictment of the county board. There is pain ahead.
While wishing Paddy O'Rourke all the best I note most of the more forceful annoyance is coming from our South Armagh contributors. Probably because the rivalry with Down is more intense there. As a mid Armagh man I have to admit I am shocked and disappointed at the appointment. I have no axe to grind with Paddy as he seems to be a decent sort who will try his very best for Armagh but I had hoped for either an internal candidate or a higher profile outside man. Still it could be worse - it could be a Tyrone man such as Plunkett Donaghy or Peter Canavan!
Quote from: Throw ball on October 03, 2009, 12:28:04 AM
While wishing Paddy O'Rourke all the best I note most of the more forceful annoyance is coming from our South Armagh contributors. Probably because the rivalry with Down is more intense there. As a mid Armagh man I have to admit I am shocked and disappointed at the appointment. I have no axe to grind with Paddy as he seems to be a decent sort who will try his very best for Armagh but I had hoped for either an internal candidate or a higher profile outside man. Still it could be worse - it could be a Tyrone man such as Plunkett Donaghy or Peter Canavan!
I'd admit that I subscribe to an old-fashioned view that nobody from Down (or Tyrone) should manage Armagh, if only to keep what should be good friendly rivalries uncontaminated, for want of a better word.
That said, if either Pete McGrath or, before he got the Down job, James McCartan had been appointed I'd have been satisfied enough and hopeful that either could do a good job given their decent credentials.
Paddy O'Rourke is a completely different scenario though.
To be fair its more like;
John Barnes going to Ibrox
Steve Staunton going to Windsor Park to manage NI
Tommy Lyons going to manage Meath
[/quote
100% right Tac...3 shite managers going to 3 shite teams....
At least we have narrowed it down to one in Armagh's case...lets face facts...yiz are at the same level as Down now....only thing is you have our manager from 4 years ago...have fun...... ]
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 03, 2009, 01:25:34 AM
To be fair its more like;
John Barnes going to Ibrox
Steve Staunton going to Windsor Park to manage NI
Tommy Lyons going to manage Meath
[/quote
100% right Tac...3 shite managers going to 3 shite teams....
At least we have narrowed it down to one in Armagh's case...lets face facts...yiz are at the same level as Down now....only thing is you have our manager from 4 years ago...have fun...... ]
So according to 5Sams
Armagh are shite
Armagh are at Down's level
By your own admission, that makes Down?? ;)
Quote from: illdecide on October 02, 2009, 11:57:44 PM
FFS lads wind your necks in too F**k and give the man a chance, there's no point slabbering about it now. He's the Armagh manager so deal with it, if you don't wanna follow the team then stay the f**k in the house. No-one here knows how he's gonna do.
If he gets 2 good Armagh men as part of his team and they have a big input into team tactic's and team selection then why can't it work. Did it ever occur to you that he could have learned from his mistakes at Down and has a big point to prove and that he maybe didn't have a dedicated bunch of lads like we have not to mention no talent in Down especially defenders.
If he fails by all means rip the middle out of him but for now get behind the new Armagh manager and give him support.
Noone is obliged to do anything. certainly, none of us are obliged to give him our support. It's a pathetic appointment. He has a talented panel and can't fail to do ok. nothing more.
staying in the house is exactly what i'll be doing when armagh are playing. that doesn't make me any less of an armagh man - just one that is fussy about where he spends his money.
Quote from: Armamike on October 03, 2009, 12:25:50 AM
I'm stunned, totally out of the blue. But nothing should surprise us with this county board any more. Since Kevin Brady took over as Chairman, there has been too much shite happening. No offence to Paddy O'Rourke (always had a lot of time for him), but the fact that basically no one decent candidate within the county would touch the job with a very long stick, is a very very bad indictment of the county board. There is pain ahead.
My thoughts exactly.
Appointment approved by the full county board (the clubs) - don't thinka lot of people here get involved with their clubs, let alone the decision making. If youre all so clever, why didn't you put your names forward for the post and let's see where that would get Armagh!! Seems to me the CB have made the best of abad job and a bit of support for the county wouldnt go amiss. JC himself wouldnt please some of you for this job - hope POR makes you look what you are.
You out the Loughgall Road doin yer thinkin??
bollix.
its a disgraceful appointment.
The are tens of armagh men at least as qualified for the job. pleanty way more qualified.
If there are swathes of armagh men who won't work for the county board, then there's a hidden message in there somewhere.
clubs didn't know what they were ratfiying til they got to the meeting to be told that the selection committee and the players were fully in support of the appointment. club delegates put on the spot like that are not representative of the considered opinion of the county.
Can't believe John Maughan got passed over for this fella
Quote from: oraiste on October 03, 2009, 01:43:47 AM
Appointment approved by the full county board (the clubs) - don't thinka lot of people here get involved with their clubs
Then you'd think wrong
Quote from: oraiste on October 03, 2009, 01:43:47 AM
let alone the decision making.
Wrong again
Quote from: oraiste on October 03, 2009, 01:43:47 AM
If youre all so clever, why didn't you put your names forward for the post and let's see where that would get Armagh!!
I wouldn't be fit for the job. Paddy O'Rourke shares this trait with me.
I know I couldn't do the job. Paddy O'Rourke differs from me in this respect.
Quote from: oraiste on October 03, 2009, 01:43:47 AM
Seems to me the CB have made the best of abad job and a bit of support for the county wouldnt go amiss.
In fact they've pretty much ended up with the worst possible candidate. I support my county, I've done so since I was 8 and I'll do so until I'm 80. That doesn't negate my validity held opinion that what has transpired tonight is a farce and a disgrace.
Quote from: oraiste on October 03, 2009, 01:43:47 AM
JC himself wouldnt please some of you for this job - hope POR makes you look what you are.
Paul Grimley would have pleased me. Donal Murtagh would have pleased me. Pete McGrath, John Rafferty, Justin McNulty or Paul McShane would all have been acceptable. All were interested in the post at some stage. Why wasn't one of them appointed?
Quote from: oraiste on October 03, 2009, 01:43:47 AM
Appointment approved by the full county board (the clubs) - don't thinka lot of people here get involved with their clubs, let alone the decision making. If youre all so clever, why didn't you put your names forward for the post and let's see where that would get Armagh!! Seems to me the CB have made the best of abad job and a bit of support for the county wouldnt go amiss. JC himself wouldnt please some of you for this job - hope POR makes you look what you are.
Don't lecture me on support for the county - you don't know what you're talking about. I supported the county board when a lot of other people were shouting for their heads a couple of years back when Grimley got overlooked. But the shenanigans over the past few months make it fairly clear that there is something very rotten at the higher echelons of Armagh football. And i'm not supporting something that's rotten.
Cos PG went to Monaghan (was talking with them for some time I am told) & others apparently withdrew for their own reasons (maybe they didnt want to please you?
Quote from: illdecide on October 02, 2009, 11:57:44 PM
FFS lads wind your necks in too F**k and give the man a chance, there's no point slabbering about it now. He's the Armagh manager so deal with it, if you don't wanna follow the team then stay the f**k in the house. No-one here knows how he's gonna do.
If he gets 2 good Armagh men as part of his team and they have a big input into team tactic's and team selection then why can't it work. Did it ever occur to you that he could have learned from his mistakes at Down and has a big point to prove and that he maybe didn't have a dedicated bunch of lads like we have not to mention no talent in Down especially defenders.
If he fails by all means rip the middle out of him but for now get behind the new Armagh manager and give him support.
Quote from: oraiste on October 03, 2009, 01:43:47 AM
Appointment approved by the full county board (the clubs) - don't thinka lot of people here get involved with their clubs, let alone the decision making. If youre all so clever, why didn't you put your names forward for the post and let's see where that would get Armagh!! Seems to me the CB have made the best of abad job and a bit of support for the county wouldnt go amiss. JC himself wouldnt please some of you for this job - hope POR makes you look what you are.
Right so, we'll stick our heads in the ground and ignore the complete mess in the county and what has led to this joke appointment? Blindly support a disgraceful appointment and ignore the rumours going around about how it came about?
Aye, that's brilliant, true armagh men would do that. ::)
Quote from: oraiste on October 03, 2009, 02:07:38 AM
Cos PG went to Monaghan (was talking with them for some time I am told) & others apparently withdrew for their own reasons (maybe they didnt want to please you?
Paul Grimley was interested in becoming Armagh manager. There is no dispute about that. That he is an assistant manager in Monaghan while we are stuck with O'Rourke is a damning indictment on what's gone wrong within Armagh football. Ok it mightn't have been entirely the county board's fault this time but their disgraceful behaviour in 2007 is still haunting them.
There were numerous better qualified candidates inside and outside the county. That Paddy O'Rourke is now the manager of Armagh stinks to the high heavens and no objective onlooker could disagree with that.
Well if by a long shot Paddy does have success in Armagh, and claims some decent silverware...this thread will be worth reading again on that day! I hope Paddy nor his family are thin skinned, after reading this thread ::)
Would love to hear the county boards justification for this appointment.
Quote from: balladmaker on October 03, 2009, 02:15:28 AM
Well if by a long shot Paddy does have success in Armagh, and claims some decent silverware...this thread will be worth reading again on that day! I hope Paddy nor his family are thin skinned, after reading this thread ::)
Why balladmaker, who's criticising him? What do you think they would be offended about?
Quote from: balladmaker on October 03, 2009, 02:15:28 AM
Well if by a long shot Paddy does have success in Armagh, and claims some decent silverware...this thread will be worth reading again on that day! I hope Paddy nor his family are thin skinned, after reading this thread ::)
And if that happens I'll be the first man to stand up and say I was wrong. But it won;t change the fact that on the basis of the information currently before us, the appointment is unjustifiable. Maybe Paddy O'Rourke will improve as a manager, I sincerely hope he does and that he is successful with us. But none of that would justify what happened tonight or the reasons for which this appointment was made.
Well if I was Paddy O'Rourke, which I'm not, I wouldn't be feeling the most welcomed man in Co. Armagh tonight, after reading this thread.
QuoteAnd if that happens I'll be the first man to stand up and say I was wrong. But it won;t change the fact that on the basis of the information currently before us, the appointment is unjustifiable. Maybe Paddy O'Rourke will improve as a manager, I sincerely hope he does and that he is successful with us. But none of that would justify what happened tonight or the reasons for which this appointment was made.
I'm with ye...surely the county board knew when they made their decision there was going to be an almighty outcry from within the county....its as if the board have given the two fingers to the Armagh team.
noone criticising paddy - its the clowns who gave him the job.
if you were a mediocre to poor coach and someone offered you the armagh job, what would you do?
Quote from: balladmaker on October 03, 2009, 02:20:37 AM
Well if I was Paddy O'Rourke, which I'm not, I wouldn't be feeling the most welcomed man in Co. Armagh tonight, after reading this thread.
do you think there might be a chance he could realise the lie of the land and withdraw?
please say yes
Keep it up boys, this thread is f**king brilliant :P
Quoteif you were a mediocre to poor coach and someone offered you the armagh job, what would you do?
Are you saying Paddy is a poor coach?
Quote from: balladmaker on October 03, 2009, 02:20:37 AM
Well if I was Paddy O'Rourke, which I'm not, I wouldn't be feeling the most welcomed man in Co. Armagh tonight, after reading this thread.
Well he'd be right. No one's saying anything personal about him, we are saying we don't think he's up to the job which is a fair enough comment based on the evidence in front of us!
Any anger I have is directed at those who appointed him.
Again, do you think we shouldnt say anything about the joke we have become in case the new manager doesnt feel welcome?
Afair play to paddy - at least he has tac and pints agreeing. maybe we should send him to the middle east?
OC has anthony cunningham as assistant.
QuoteAgain, do you think we shouldnt say anything about the joke we have become in case the new manager doesnt feel welcome?
No.
Quote from: balladmaker on October 03, 2009, 02:24:02 AM
Quoteif you were a mediocre to poor coach and someone offered you the armagh job, what would you do?
Are you saying Paddy is a poor coach?
I was being generous. he;s not a coach at all
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 03, 2009, 02:24:56 AM
Afair play to paddy - at least he has tac and pints agreeing. maybe we should send him to the middle east?
OC has anthony cunningham as assistant.
Was thinking that myself. :D
3 year term so by 2011 both Paddy and the Bridge will in division 4. :)
Quote from: balladmaker on October 03, 2009, 02:25:27 AM
QuoteAgain, do you think we shouldnt say anything about the joke we have become in case the new manager doesnt feel welcome?
No.
Well then why are you talking about his family reading the thread?
The ex Down players have a lot of good words about O'Rourke so i think the Armagh fans have to give him a chance.... though i still can't understand how a Down man could manage Armagh.. ??? ??? ???
some craic if he wins ulster, this will kinda of renew the rivalry with Down in a pub talk sense but armagh wont be long puttin them back where they belong, martin clarke and all! up armagh.
This is just brilliant, the reaction,the outcry,the blame-game,the "I'll not go to an Armagh match while POR is in charge",the sheer hatred.Fantastic that a Down man can cause so such
mayhem to Armagh in just one evening.Hilarious.
;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D
You're joking!
As i said yesterday i would like to Wishing Paddy O rourke all the best and to be honest the names bandied about this past few days would not have been first choice any alot of peoples choices. Though i dont know him i can see he his a man that never quits and failure is not an option i think he can do well with armagh
The county board have again done a houdini with the management appointment and i think its time there was a full clear out, possible reason for this is that there is no money in the pot to pay a top class manager but then again how many top class managers with the pedigree of harte and o connor are there around at present and who would be available
Whatever about how good he may or may not be, the backroom will be vital. I really don't know who he might get in but he needs to have someone who is tactically astute as Paddy may be 100% man but not the shrewdest. Unfortunately for him he will be given no time to make things work. He would have to win at least an Ulster in his first year to have any chance of acceptance and I frankly cannot see that happening.
Quote from: Take Your Points on October 03, 2009, 06:40:18 AM
A few questions:
Do I take it that the main outcry against POR is because he is from outside the county and specifically from Down?
Regardless of ability, why should there be a problem with the manager being from outside the county?
To become the manager, POR must have been nominated by at least one club, which one or ones?
Don't think it could have been any in the south of the county. What club do those welcoming POR to the psot belong to?
There is certainly some outcry against POR because of where he is from but I dont think it is the main reason for the outcry TYP although there is no doubt there are many within the county who feel that only Armagh men should have been considered. I also believe that POR didnt necessarily have to be nominated by any club but could have been directly approached by the selection committee without nomination. This was certainly the case when the original selection committee was established.
Quote from: T O Hare on October 03, 2009, 04:30:19 AM
The ex Down players have a lot of good words about O'Rourke so i think the Armagh fans have to give him a chance.... though i still can't understand how a Down man could manage Armagh.. ??? ??? ???
you must be talking to different ones than me
Quote from: Take Your Points on October 03, 2009, 06:40:18 AM
A few questions:
Do I take it that the main outcry against POR is because he is from outside the county and specifically from Down?
Regardless of ability, why should there be a problem with the manager being from outside the county?
To become the manager, POR must have been nominated by at least one club, which one or ones?
Don't think it could have been any in the south of the county. What club do those welcoming POR to the psot belong to?
you're wrong - no club nominated him. the selection committee second time round had the authority to pick who they liked.
Personally, i'd like someone to tell me why he was picked - on what criteria?
Quote
Personally, i'd like someone to tell me why he was picked - on what criteria?
He's friends with Hughie Morgan
Money Talks!
I was thinking to myself during the week what the hell is Paddy O'Rourke putting his name in for the Armagh job when he has no chance of getting it. Nearly felt sorry for him for thinking he had a chance. Goes to show how wrong you can be. I'm poisitive he will give 100% whether its good enough is hard to know. He had a good first year with Down but seemed to go down hill from there. He will have better players to work with and will maybe have learned from some of his mistakes.
Anyone who says they're not going to watch Armagh next year over the manager is better at home, they'e the type of supporter who will spend most of the game crying about their own players/management/facilities etc.
It is a perfect situation for the Armagh players, when they spectacularly under perform again it will all be Paddys fault.
crucified before he even gets the Bainisteoir's jacket on, c'mon lads, give the guy a chance to prove himself in the job and then have a go when its merited... ::) is this what Armagh GAA folk are all about?
Suprising decision :P
Best of luck, I suspect he'll need all that's going. He'll be plenty motivated that's one sure thing.
Quote from: Take Your Points on October 03, 2009, 06:40:18 AM
A few questions:
Do I take it that the main outcry against POR is because he is from outside the county and specifically from Down?
Regardless of ability, why should there be a problem with the manager being from outside the county?
To become the manager, POR must have been nominated by at least one club, which one or ones?
Don't think it could have been any in the south of the county. What club do those welcoming POR to the psot belong to?
I dont really care where he's from TYP, the issue for me is that he's a failed manager and a very poor choice. I suspect the motives behind his appointmentand I suspect that his appointment has nothing to do with people believing he's the best man for the job.
I stood up for the county board with the Gimley issue but this is indefensible. Although I think the main man that needs to go is our so called main sponsor.
best of luck to him. Surprised by the appointment all the same, an outside manager, I don't know the details but I would guess his CV isn't the most sparkling.
Well Armagh lads, I went on the rampage on our selection of manager last yr, he was managing a junior team in Aran islands, overlooked to manage Galway minors, and gets the Sligo Senior job....i criticised the interview process heavily.
With such a lack of managerial experience and others closer to him not willing to give him a chance I thought we were fcked. But one evaluation I didnt know, none of us know how he answered the managerial experience question and why he was overlooked elsewhere, also I didnt know how he answered what his plan was, regarding selectors, tactics etc,, whats is knowledge of Sligo clubs and players is like.
It turns out his selectors appointment was spot on, his tactics fairly good and everything he did against Kerry was spot on pretty much in terms of team selections etc,,,, so what Im saying O Rourke might have the best ideas and practices and may have the best management team to bring ye success. None of ye heard the anaswers in the interviews, he may have come across better than more experienced candidates. Also one thing Sligo was the players needed some one they look up and respect, and the selection commitee said walsh was imposing figure and got respect straight away. Looking from the outside you dont know the full story so your opinion really doesnt matter until you see what you see on the field. I was mistaken and glad I was but I criticised something I only knew a small amount about ie what happened in the interviews and what was said.
But after my initial whinge he had my full support and im sure ye'll back O Rourke to and give him a while to settle in.
with respect sligonian, your man was unproven and an unknown quantity.
paddy o'rourke is a proven failure.
Looks like these clowns are happy with their work anyway...
QuoteArmagh chief hails O'Rourke's appointment
03 October 2009
Armagh chairman Kevin Brady is in no doubt that Paddy O'Rourke is the right man to lead the county forward.
The former Down All-Ireland winning captain and manager was last night surprisingly named as the Orchard County's new boss in succession to Peter McDonnell. But despite a mixed reaction to his appointment, Brady is confident that he will be a hit.
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"He has a big challenge ahead of him, but Paddy O'Rourke has a strong personality and we have no doubt that he will prove a success," he said.
Armagh PRO Joe Jordan said that O'Rourke has "seen and done it all and got the T-shirts" in terms of winning All Ireland honours at county and club level.
"He knows what is involved and what sacrifices it takes. He can bring the best out of our players - we have a lot of talent coming through," added Jordan.
O'Rourke beat off the challenge of several candidates, but despite reports to the contrary, Brian McAlinden and John Rafferty were never really in the running.
McAlinden had committed himself to a further term as Armagh under 21 boss while Rafferty is continuing in his role as manager of Rostrevor.
O'Rourke, ironically, saw off his own former All Ireland winning manager Peter McGrath and ex-Louth boss Eamon McEnaney to land the plum job. And one of the building contractor's first games in charge will be against his native county - who are now managed by his former team-mate James McCartan - in Division 2 of the National League next spring.
I didnt dream it then? ;)
POR could be doing with a couple of well established and respected Armagh people in his backroom team....I see Oisin linked with it in the Irish News today, not that the Irish News should be taken notice of after the dung they have printed this week.
Quote from: balladmaker on October 03, 2009, 11:28:59 AM
POR could be doing with a couple of well established and respected Armagh people in his backroom team....I see Oisin linked with it in the Irish News today, not that the Irish News should be taken notice of after the dung they have printed this week.
Oisin might be alright with a decent manager but I wouldnt be in favour of him with Paddy O'Rourke. He doesnt have the experience to make up for O'Rourke's inadequacies
Quote from: balladmaker on October 03, 2009, 11:28:59 AM
POR could be doing with a couple of well established and respected Armagh people in his backroom team....I see Oisin linked with it in the Irish News today, not that the Irish News should be taken notice of after the dung they have printed this week.
In fairness to them, considering what we've ended up with, maybe they weren't too off the money with Plunkett Donaghy et al.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on October 03, 2009, 11:35:51 AM
Quote from: balladmaker on October 03, 2009, 11:28:59 AM
POR could be doing with a couple of well established and respected Armagh people in his backroom team....I see Oisin linked with it in the Irish News today, not that the Irish News should be taken notice of after the dung they have printed this week.
Oisin might be alright with a decent manager but I wouldnt be in favour of him with Paddy O'Rourke. He doesnt have the experience to make up for O'Rourke's inadequacies
Very true. Throwing a load of rookies in with O'Rourke will only make things worse.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on October 03, 2009, 11:35:51 AM
Oisin might be alright with a decent manager but I wouldnt be in favour of him with Paddy O'Rourke. He doesnt have the experience to make up for O'Rourke's inadequacies
Paddy ORourke has won All Irelands at minor, U21 and senior level. He could hardly be described as inadequate. POG what have you done in the game that allows you to speak of POR in this way?
ORourke will have Oisin with him along with an ex international rugby man as his fitness coach. Hardly an inexperienced team.
I think pog, like most other Armagh men are just sick that a Down man has got the job.
I think the speed at which this thread has reached 15 pages speaks volumes for people's feelings on the matter.
It's quite a leap from the expected appointment of Grimley a month ago to the shock appointment of O'Rourke and you can see why people are annoyed / shocked / disappointed.
Time will tell, but O'Rourke has quite a challenge on his hands to win public approval.
It could be a mirror image of Cork here ..... with the supporters going on strike rather than the players.
Quote from: Trevor Hill on October 03, 2009, 11:43:13 AM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on October 03, 2009, 11:35:51 AM
Oisin might be alright with a decent manager but I wouldnt be in favour of him with Paddy O'Rourke. He doesnt have the experience to make up for O'Rourke's inadequacies
Paddy ORourke has won All Irelands at minor, U21 and senior level. He could hardly be described as inadequate. POG what have you done in the game that allows you to speak of POR in this way?
ORourke will have Oisin with him along with an ex international rugby man as his fitness coach. Hardly an inexperienced team.
I think pog, like most other Armagh men are just sick that a Down man has got the job.
There is quite a difference between playing and managing, maybe you should leave this conversation to the adults.
Quote from: Trevor Hill on October 03, 2009, 11:43:13 AM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on October 03, 2009, 11:35:51 AM
Oisin might be alright with a decent manager but I wouldnt be in favour of him with Paddy O'Rourke. He doesnt have the experience to make up for O'Rourke's inadequacies
Paddy ORourke has won All Irelands at minor, U21 and senior level. He could hardly be described as inadequate. POG what have you done in the game that allows you to speak of POR in this way?
ORourke will have Oisin with him along with an ex international rugby man as his fitness coach. Hardly an inexperienced team.
I think pog, like most other Armagh men are just sick that a Down man has got the job.
POG has achieved as much as POR in management. In fact, he's probably in a better position that O'Rourke because he's not already tainted as a poor manager
didnt see that coming and very surprised at armaghs choice as o'rourke hasnt got a great cv.the fact they went outside armagh i would have thought they would have went with somebody with a proven record like pete mcgrath.imo john rafferty has a much better cv and knows armagh football inside out,but there you go.
Paddy O'Rourke doesn't stand a chance. You need some level of support and belief behind you from the supporters and players to make a go of it. I can't see him having the supporters behind him from the start, given what's gone on and his poor enough managerial cv. Will the players really believe in him? We have far more qualified people within our own county who for varying reasons didn't get the job. As a result of that it's time for a root and branch overhaul of the county board and for Kevin Brady at least to do the honourable thing.
What exactly has pog or any of the others who are slagging off ORourke achieved? People are judging ORourke on his time with Down, a time when Down football was at its lowest ever ebb. Give the man a chance, if he falls flat on his face then you can all come on here and say I told you so. Until then shut the f**k up.
Armagh fans, if you can be called fans, need a severe dose of reality. Armagh are a nothing team, going nowhere fast. No one of note wanted the job. The county board had to pick the best available candidate, they obviously think they have the best man available to them. Likewise in Down. Neither of us are going to be playing football in September in the near future.
Quote from: Trevor Hill on October 03, 2009, 12:00:52 PM
What exactly has pog or any of the others who are slagging off ORourke achieved? People are judging ORourke on his time with Down, a time when Down football was at its lowest ever ebb. Give the man a chance, if he falls flat on his face then you can all come on here and say I told you so. Until then shut the f**k up.
Armagh fans, if you can be called fans, need a severe dose of reality. Armagh are a nothing team, going nowhere fast. No one of note wanted the job. The county board had to pick the best available candidate, they obviously think they have the best man available to them. Likewise in Down. Neither of us are going to be playing football in September in the near future.
f**k off with your uninformed babble.
Quote from: Trevor Hill on October 03, 2009, 12:00:52 PM
What exactly has pog or any of the others who are slagging off ORourke achieved? People are judging ORourke on his time with Down, a time when Down football was at its lowest ever ebb. Give the man a chance, if he falls flat on his face then you can all come on here and say I told you so. Until then shut the f**k up.
Armagh fans, if you can be called fans, need a severe dose of reality. Armagh are a nothing team, going nowhere fast. No one of note wanted the job. The county board had to pick the best available candidate, they obviously think they have the best man available to them. Likewise in Down. Neither of us are going to be playing football in September in the near future.
I didn't go for the armagh management job, nor was I appointed. The only differences between me and Paddy O'Rourke is that I know I'd be a shite manager and I don't have the right mates.
If Down thought he was any good they'd have him in place now.
Again, my anger isn't at the man himself, I've nothing against him, it's directed at the people who were responsible for his appointment.
Quote from: AFS on October 03, 2009, 12:06:45 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on October 03, 2009, 12:00:52 PM
What exactly has pog or any of the others who are slagging off ORourke achieved? People are judging ORourke on his time with Down, a time when Down football was at its lowest ever ebb. Give the man a chance, if he falls flat on his face then you can all come on here and say I told you so. Until then shut the f**k up.
Armagh fans, if you can be called fans, need a severe dose of reality. Armagh are a nothing team, going nowhere fast. No one of note wanted the job. The county board had to pick the best available candidate, they obviously think they have the best man available to them. Likewise in Down. Neither of us are going to be playing football in September in the near future.
f**k off with your uninformed babble.
Could you highlight which part is uninformed?
Quote from: Trevor Hill on October 03, 2009, 12:00:52 PM
What exactly has pog or any of the others who are slagging off ORourke achieved? People are judging ORourke on his time with Down, a time when Down football was at its lowest ever ebb. Give the man a chance, if he falls flat on his face then you can all come on here and say I told you so. Until then shut the f**k up.
Armagh fans, if you can be called fans, need a severe dose of reality. Armagh are a nothing team, going nowhere fast. No one of note wanted the job. The county board had to pick the best available candidate, they obviously think they have the best man available to them. Likewise in Down. Neither of us are going to be playing football in September in the near future.
Sure you and 5times have slagging him off yourself laughing at his appointment. Idiot.
One thing I will say is that I'll still always be supporting Armagh and not their opposition, no matter who the manager is.
I am not slagging Paddy in any way. I am just laughing, though not surprised, at the reaction of Armagh fans.
I, like most Down people, am amazed that he took the job on. Armagh are a team in serious decline. Paddy would have been better off with a team like Louth, a team with a real shout for promotion this year. If Armagh get relegated, it will all be down to Paddy.
Quote from: Trevor Hill on October 03, 2009, 12:00:52 PM
What exactly has pog or any of the others who are slagging off ORourke achieved?
Paddy O'Rourke has achieved nothing as a manager. what did he achieve managing burren and blayney? he got the down job because of his status as a playing legend in that county. none of us give a shite about that
Quote from: Trevor Hill on October 03, 2009, 12:00:52 PM
What exactly has pog or any of the others who are slagging off ORourke achieved? People are judging ORourke on his time with Down, a time when Down football was at its lowest ever ebb. Give the man a chance, if he falls flat on his face then you can all come on here and say I told you so. Until then shut the f**k up.
Armagh fans, if you can be called fans, need a severe dose of reality. Armagh are a nothing team, going nowhere fast. No one of note wanted the job. The county board had to pick the best available candidate, they obviously think they have the best man available to them. Likewise in Down. Neither of us are going to be playing football in September in the near future.
F**ck away off you wind up merchant and quit talking shite.
Quote from: Trevor Hill on October 03, 2009, 12:15:52 PM
Quote from: AFS on October 03, 2009, 12:06:45 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on October 03, 2009, 12:00:52 PM
What exactly has pog or any of the others who are slagging off ORourke achieved? People are judging ORourke on his time with Down, a time when Down football was at its lowest ever ebb. Give the man a chance, if he falls flat on his face then you can all come on here and say I told you so. Until then shut the f**k up.
Armagh fans, if you can be called fans, need a severe dose of reality. Armagh are a nothing team, going nowhere fast. No one of note wanted the job. The county board had to pick the best available candidate, they obviously think they have the best man available to them. Likewise in Down. Neither of us are going to be playing football in September in the near future.
f**k off with your uninformed babble.
Could you highlight which part is uninformed?
All crap.
You're also too thick to understand the direction of the anger and frustration.
Quote from: Trevor Hill on October 03, 2009, 12:25:10 PM
I am not slagging Paddy in any way. I am just laughing, though not surprised, at the reaction of Armagh fans.
I, like most Down people, am amazed that he took the job on. Armagh are a team in serious decline. Paddy would have been better off with a team like Louth, a team with a real shout for promotion this year. If Armagh get relegated, it will all be down to Paddy.
TThat you think armagh are in decline shows how well informed you are. the decline has been over the last 4 years and would have stopped here if the right appointment had been made
Armagh For Sam :D
Dont book any holidays for next year lads, it ll be a long summer. ;D
Did POR not manage Down to an u-21 Ulster title?
I realise this isn't a big deal but I am just wondering.
Quote from: John Martin on October 03, 2009, 12:28:39 PM
Did POR not manage Down to an u-21 Ulster title?
I realise this isn't a big deal but I am just wondering.
Possibly. Did he have that side that conceded all them goals to Meehan and Armstrong in the final? 2005 possibly?
So the Ulster title would give him half of wee Pete's totals of those trophies. Let's just find him a couple of senior All Irelands as a manager and the appointment will start to make sense.
Quote from: Trevor Hill on October 03, 2009, 12:28:05 PM
Armagh For Sam :D
Dont book any holidays for next year lads, it ll be a long summer. ;D
a minute ago you were demanding respect for him and time.
get off this thread you gobshite
Must say that I'm gunked by this appointment; never saw it coming! There's something inherently against the GAA "natural law" for a man to go managing a neighbouring county, especially when there is no love lost with that neighbouring county . Could you imagine M Harte going to manage Derry, Colm O'Rourke going to Dublin, M O'Dwyer going to Cork or Joe Kernan going to Tyrone? What happens when Armagh and Down meet down the line in a crunch championship match; surely in that circumstance it would be asking a lot of any man to give everything he's got to plot the defeat of a team that he captained to AI success? I ask this question not to query P O'Rourke's integrity, I'm sure he's an honest and fair man, but rather to look at how a situation like this could put him under tremendous pressure.
I'd love to know what has attracted him to Armagh?
However he's in situ and I wish him well; what else can I do?
Anyone know when his appointment was made?
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 03, 2009, 12:26:34 PM
TThat you think armagh are in decline shows how well informed you are. the decline has been over the last 4 years and would have stopped here if the right appointment had been made
So who was the right appointment then?
No one wanted the job. Grimley went to Monaghan. Geezer is staying in Kildare. If either of those 2 men thought there was a chance of success they would have been back in Armagh quicker than you could say "under the table expenses." End of story.
Anyone with any cop on can see Armagh are gone, dead in the water. The Cross boys have all retired, the 2002 team have gone as well. There is nothing to manage. I am shocked that Paddy took the job on, but like many in Down am delighted at the reaction of the Armagh faithful.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on October 03, 2009, 12:33:04 PM
Quote from: John Martin on October 03, 2009, 12:28:39 PM
Did POR not manage Down to an u-21 Ulster title?
I realise this isn't a big deal but I am just wondering.
Possibly. Did he have that side that conceded all them goals to Meehan and Armstrong in the final? 2005 possibly?
So the Ulster title would give him half of wee Pete's totals of those trophies. Let's just find him a couple of senior All Irelands as a manager and the appointment will start to make sense.
Alright TAM i was only asking cuz a minute ago I was reading that pints had won as much as him.
As a down man I wish POR all the best and I genuinely want him to do well.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on October 03, 2009, 12:33:04 PM
Quote from: John Martin on October 03, 2009, 12:28:39 PM
Did POR not manage Down to an u-21 Ulster title?
I realise this isn't a big deal but I am just wondering.
Possibly. Did he have that side that conceded all them goals to Meehan and Armstrong in the final? 2005 possibly?
So the Ulster title would give him half of wee Pete's totals of those trophies. Let's just find him a couple of senior All Irelands as a manager and the appointment will start to make sense.
Yeah he was over them in 2005. Beat Cavan by a couple of points in the final.
I don't expect Armagh like a lot of teams to be anywhere near winning an all-ireland in the next 3 years. So I think a lot of their fans are over-estimating their true worth in the managerial merry go round at this time of the year.
Quote from: Trevor Hill on October 03, 2009, 12:36:42 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 03, 2009, 12:26:34 PM
TThat you think armagh are in decline shows how well informed you are. the decline has been over the last 4 years and would have stopped here if the right appointment had been made
So who was the right appointment then?
No one wanted the job. Grimley went to Monaghan. Geezer is staying in Kildare. If either of those 2 men thought there was a chance of success they would have been back in Armagh quicker than you could say "under the table expenses." End of story.
Anyone with any cop on can see Armagh are gone, dead in the water. The Cross boys have all retired, the 2002 team have gone as well. There is nothing to manage. I am shocked that Paddy took the job on, but like many in Down am delighted at the reaction of the Armagh faithful.
Are putting paddy o'rourke in the same league as those men? he wouldn't get a senior club job in armagh. there are easily 100 better men in armagh than paddy o'rourke. on what basis is he a good appointment?
again, i'll reiterate that you thinking armagh are gone illustrate your usefulness to society in a mental capacity
I should also add that a litany of former down players are being quoted freely laughing at his credentials
Quote from: Sandy Hill on October 03, 2009, 12:33:30 PM
Must say that I'm gunked by this appointment; never saw it coming! There's something inherently against the GAA "natural law" for a man to go managing a neighbouring county, especially when there is no love lost with that neighbouring county . Could you imagine M Harte going to manage Derry, Colm O'Rourke going to Dublin, M O'Dwyer going to Cork or Joe Kernan going to Tyrone? What happens when Armagh and Down meet down the line in a crunch championship match; surely in that circumstance it would be asking a lot of any man to give everything he's got to plot the defeat of a team that he captained to AI success? I ask this question not to query P O'Rourke's integrity, I'm sure he's an honest and fair man, but rather to look at how a situation like this could put him under tremendous pressure.
I'd love to know what has attracted him to Armagh?
However he's in situ and I wish him well; what else can I do?
Anyone know when his appointment was made?
Micko would manage Rangers if the money was right.
Quote from: INDIANA on October 03, 2009, 12:45:04 PM
I don't expect Armagh like a lot of teams to be anywhere near winning an all-ireland in the next 3 years. So I think a lot of their fans are over-estimating their true worth in the managerial merry go round at this time of the year.
Over estimating what exactly? I've a fairly realistic appraisal of where we are in national and Ulster terms. Better than most teams but still a fair bit short of the top table. We are however reasonably well placed to head in an upward direction over the next few years. Ok no high profile outsider is going to be too fussed but that's not what any supporter was demanding. We wanted the best man available inside the county to be appointed (Grimley or latterly Donal Murtagh). Failing that we'd have liked the best qualified interested outsider to be appointed (Pete McGrath). Its the logic that ends up with Paddy O'Rourke being appointed that we have the trouble with.
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 03, 2009, 12:47:54 PM
there are easily 100 better men in armagh than paddy o'rourke.
Where are those 100 men today?
Why arent you part of the selection committee, if you can find 100 better men in armagh than Paddy ORourke you are doing your county a great dis-service by posting here.
without even trying...
Donal Murtagh
Packie McConville
Paul McShane
Justin McNulty
Aidan O'Rourke
John Rafferty
Peter Rafferty
Diarmaid Marsden
Dinny Hollywood
Stephen Casey
Brian Canavan
Gerard Houlihan
sean hughes
seamus herrnan
liam mccorry
benny o'kane
jim mccorry
brendan hughes
john toal
john mcentee
tony mcentee
oisin mcconville
jim mcconville
malachy o'rourke
adrian clarke
i could go on forever
keep going thats only 25.
Did the CB never hear of these men? Or were they quickly discounted/werent interested?
Obviously you have all the answers, I ll await your informed response.
I'm not keeping going. simply giving your ill informed ass a flavour.
i have more f**king answers than the county board or the blundering fool they've put in charge.
run along now and let the grown ups talk
Quote from: INDIANA on October 03, 2009, 12:45:04 PM
I don't expect Armagh like a lot of teams to be anywhere near winning an all-ireland in the next 3 years. So I think a lot of their fans are over-estimating their true worth in the managerial merry go round at this time of the year.
I agree that Armagh will not be near AI in the near future but that second point of your post is nonsense. Supporters just want the best possible man for the job, to get the maximum out of the team and make progress year on year. It's not all about winning AIs every year! Any reasonable, sane, person can see that POR is not the best person for this job - there are a string of better qualified managers from within our own county. We are bemoaning the fact that there is seriously something badly wrong within our county when these people are being overlooked or do not want to do the job.
How come none of them put their names forward or got nominated - them that have paid posts cant manage county teams anyway-shows just how m uch DK does know
nominations were not usde for the second selection process.
people with jobs can't manage county teams? what are you on?
Quote from: oraiste on October 03, 2009, 01:33:26 PM
How come none of them put their names forward or got nominated - them that have paid posts cant manage county teams anyway-shows just how m uch DK does know
Since you appear to be linked to the county board, do you really want us to get into the nomination process which got Paddy O'Rourke into consideration.
I see posts were deleted from orchardcounty last night.
O'Rourke's championship record when in charge of Down:
2006:
Down 1-13 Cavan 0-11
Down 1-11 Donegal 1-12
Down 0-4 Sligo 1-7
2005:
Down 1-6 Tyrone 1-13
Down 1-11 Fermanagh 0-7
Down 2-9 Derry 3-8
2004:
Down 1-13 Cavan 1-13
Down 2-12 Cavan 3-13
Down 1-19 Carlow 1-13
Down 0-10 Tyrone 1-15
2003:
Down 1-12 Monaghan 0-13
Down 2-10 Fermanagh 0-11
Down 4-8 Tyrone 1-17
Down 1-5 Tyrone 0-23
Down 2-10 Donegal 3-15
5 Wins
2 Draws
8 Defeats
Perhaps not as awful a I remembered, but after a steady start his team certainly seemed to go backwards.
Quote from: AFS on October 03, 2009, 01:36:48 PM
O'Rourke's championship record when in charge of Down:
2006:
Down 1-13 Cavan 0-11
Down 1-11 Donegal 1-12
Down 0-4 Sligo 1-7
2005:
Down 1-6 Tyrone 1-13
Down 1-11 Fermanagh 0-7
Down 2-9 Derry 3-8
2004:
Down 1-13 Cavan 1-13
Down 2-12 Cavan 3-13
Down 1-19 Carlow 1-13
Down 0-10 Tyrone 1-15
2003:
Down 1-12 Monaghan 0-13
Down 2-10 Fermanagh 0-11
Down 4-8 Tyrone 1-17
Down 1-5 Tyrone 0-23
Down 2-10 Donegal 3-15
5 Wins
2 Draws
8 Defeats
Perhaps not as awful a I remembered, but after a steady start his team certainly seemed to go backwards.
Wins against Fermanagh, Monaghan, Cavan and Carlow
Defeats to Tyrone, Donegal, Cavan, Derry and Sligo
Suppose you have to take into what he was working with but it is mediocre at best and worryingly, no indication of progress at all.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on October 03, 2009, 01:39:44 PM
Suppose you have to take into what he was working with but it is mediocre at best and worryingly, no indication of progress at all.
Probably my take on it too. Considering what they had during those years, you couldn't really say he underachieved. He went round in par really. The most worrying thing is the decline over the four years, culminating with probably the worst Down result for decades in Sligo. I'd worry that this record suggests an inability to develop a team over time, something that is paramount for our next manager.
from memory i think he lost the dressing room a bit with walsh and clarke being dropped without explanation before the sligo game?
players who have played under him say he doesn't believe in gameplans or tactics. good motivator (for down - play for the jersey etc ) and very enthusiastic.
Will be interesting to know the players take on things.
What was the actual timeline of events here? Which night were the club reps asked to vote on this, and did they know beforehand what they were to vote on?
na, they were just informed to be at the meeting fri night. rumours were strong that it was for ratification of someone and well placed newspaper articles led everyone to believe it would be either rafferty or mc alinden - either of which would have been easily passed. any discussion beforehand would have been over these two.
the clincher for me, in terms of getting the clubs to pass it, was mcgrane speaking in favour of it at the board meeting
Quote from: INDIANA on October 03, 2009, 01:52:41 PM
Will be interesting to know the players take on things.
Not a positive reaction if my limited understanding is true.
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 03, 2009, 02:01:44 PM
na, they were just informed to be at the meeting fri night. rumours were strong that it was for ratification of someone and well placed newspaper articles led everyone to believe it would be either rafferty or mc alinden - either of which would have been easily passed. any discussion beforehand would have been over these two.
the clincher for me, in terms of getting the clubs to pass it, was mcgrane speaking in favour of it at the board meeting
So the vote was taken on Friday night? Then why was Jimmy Smyth was in Paddy O'Rourke's living room congratulating him on getting the job before this? And how were the club reps supposed to
represent the views of their clubs if they were given no opportunity to speak with them before being asked to vote?
This whole thing stinks.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on October 03, 2009, 02:05:13 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 03, 2009, 01:52:41 PM
Will be interesting to know the players take on things.
Not a positive reaction if my limited understanding is true.
Not much point then so if the dressing room is gone before he gets there. Becoming a soap opera now.
Quote from: AFS on October 03, 2009, 02:12:40 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 03, 2009, 02:01:44 PM
na, they were just informed to be at the meeting fri night. rumours were strong that it was for ratification of someone and well placed newspaper articles led everyone to believe it would be either rafferty or mc alinden - either of which would have been easily passed. any discussion beforehand would have been over these two.
the clincher for me, in terms of getting the clubs to pass it, was mcgrane speaking in favour of it at the board meeting
So the vote was taken on Friday night? Then why was Jimmy Smyth was in Paddy O'Rourke's living room congratulating him on getting the job before this? And how were the club reps supposed to represent the views of their clubs if they were given no opportunity to speak with them before being asked to vote?
This whole thing stinks.
Because they were assuming that the clubs would ratify this farce since they presented the clubs with the position that a. there are no other candidates and b. Paddy O'Rourke has the support of the players. That said, the clubs should still have stood up to this and at least forced a postponement but sure even if they tried this, we could have been left with another 2007 situation where the county board rode roughshod over the wishes of the club delegates.
Quote from: oraiste on October 03, 2009, 01:33:26 PM
How come none of them put their names forward or got nominated - them that have paid posts cant manage county teams anyway-shows just how m uch DK does know
Because the situation is a f**king joke with the county board that no one in their right mind would put their name forward!
Do you see who's at fault here, good/decent (At least much better than what we've been landed with) managers in the county but wouldn't touch the job because of the f**king mess!!
The trojan donkey is in place
QuoteWill POR result in many defections on the basis of retirement from the 2009 squad?
It could be a "cheerio" from Stevie!
Quote from: Take Your Points on October 03, 2009, 02:41:25 PM
Another few points:
Should this have been seen from a little way out? On the Board and IN it was reported that the CB had engaged the services of Mike McGurn as trainer for the senior team. It should have been obvious that the CB was taking a stronger hand in setting up the team management, i.e. no one to come in with his backroom team.
POR is well known among county players to be very backward in his training techniques with the Dwon boys being run up and down the Mournes and the dunes on Tyrella beach when all others had adopted modern speed and core training techniques. Peter McDonnell lacked similar credibility in the training department with stamina training instead of speed being resisted by experienced players. To compensate for POR lack of training expertise he will be given an expensive but highly experienced trainer with credibility as a sap to the players. Apart from motivational attributes, POR is not bringing any tactical expertise so expect the county board to providing further coaching staff for him. The CB will be very influential in the whole setup with POR probably becoming the manager of a backroom team with all appointed by the CB and being put across as a new type of setup, similar to the Clive Woodward reign as England coach, a man good at organising and speaking but not hands on with coaching or tactics.
The main problem arises with POR's credibility with the players who are well aware of his weaknesses, can McGrane sell POR to the players?
Are you speaking from inside knowledge there TYP or is it just
your take on things? In the scenario you've mentioned then we will have a manager who hasn't the first notion about coaching or tactics. Does he get to pick the team or does the County Board kindly take care of that as well for him?
Quote from: Armamike on October 03, 2009, 04:07:47 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on October 03, 2009, 02:41:25 PM
Another few points:
Should this have been seen from a little way out? On the Board and IN it was reported that the CB had engaged the services of Mike McGurn as trainer for the senior team. It should have been obvious that the CB was taking a stronger hand in setting up the team management, i.e. no one to come in with his backroom team.
POR is well known among county players to be very backward in his training techniques with the Dwon boys being run up and down the Mournes and the dunes on Tyrella beach when all others had adopted modern speed and core training techniques. Peter McDonnell lacked similar credibility in the training department with stamina training instead of speed being resisted by experienced players. To compensate for POR lack of training expertise he will be given an expensive but highly experienced trainer with credibility as a sap to the players. Apart from motivational attributes, POR is not bringing any tactical expertise so expect the county board to providing further coaching staff for him. The CB will be very influential in the whole setup with POR probably becoming the manager of a backroom team with all appointed by the CB and being put across as a new type of setup, similar to the Clive Woodward reign as England coach, a man good at organising and speaking but not hands on with coaching or tactics.
The main problem arises with POR's credibility with the players who are well aware of his weaknesses, can McGrane sell POR to the players?
Are you speaking from inside knowledge there TYP or is it just your take on things? In the scenario you've mentioned then we will have a manager who hasn't the first notion about coaching or tactics. Does he get to pick the team or does the County Board kindly take care of that as well for him?
My thoughts exactly. Seems to me that, if TYP's scenario has any foundation, then there may be too many fingers in this pie for it to be of any good. The CB thinking they know best about the actually playing of the game is always a dangerous situation. They are administrators and there to do the administrative work of the CB. Next thing will be the treasurer sneaking into the changing room at half time to make tactical change. Maybe these guys have been watching too much Premiership while Armagh have been in terminal decline and see themselves in the Abramovich role!
Quote from: Take Your Points on October 03, 2009, 04:38:14 PM
BTW the info on the thoughts about players, POR and his training techniques are well known.
The other sentiment already mentioned about having interviews is always correct, the best communicator is often not the best practitioner. If you set up this process to select a football manager expect to get the wrong answer.
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Interesting thought..... does that apply in all walks of life!!!!!
Aor is retired for a start. hard to think O'Rourke will dispense with 3 kernans?
Interviews in any walk of life are important - but it is only one tool for selecting a suitable person. The cv and application form is key. Ultimately the individual needs to have the goods on their cv. In the interview itself it's better to hear candidates talk about their achievements and experience to date rather than hear them talk a good game about what they are going to do some time in the future. In this case Paddy O'Rourke must have had some damn good plans for the future.
Quote from: Take Your Points on October 03, 2009, 05:39:21 PM
Quote from: Sandy Hill on October 03, 2009, 03:51:37 PM
QuoteWill POR result in many defections on the basis of retirement from the 2009 squad?
It could be a "cheerio" from Stevie!
Most likely goodbye to Stephen and two of his brothers. How will AOR and MOR deal with the new scenario?
Was thinking about S McDonnell!
Aye, it could be difficult to convince the likes of Stevie to stay on now. Really, what's the point? There's too much committment needed these days to be part of something that is going nowhere due to a messed up appointment.
That really couldn't be further from the truth...
what couldn't be further from the truth?
That this appointment would mean the end of stevie from killeavy
Stevie'll be staying but I don't think we'll have a full quota of players from last year.
Heard Neil Smyth was invited for interview by text message telling him he had an interview at 4pm that day. When he rung back he was told that there was somebody else for the job but that they'd interview him out of courtesy. Also heard Murtagh was offered the no 2 spot by the county board but when he was asked who was number 1 they wouldn't tell him! I know you can't believe everything you hear but this all just seems so farcical.
Abidiny image of Paddy is dancing up and down the sideline in those back tights in 2003 Ulster final at Clones when Down went nine points ahead of Tyrone. Alas for Paddy the dancing was soon to stop... 8)
Quote from: longrunsthefox on October 03, 2009, 08:22:45 PM
Abidy image of Paddy is dancing up mand down the sideline in those back tights in 2003 Ulster final at Clones when Down went nine points ahead of Tyrone. Alas the Paddy the dancing was soon to stop... 8)
To be fair I suppose you could say that only for dives from Canavan and McGuigan he'd have won an Ulster title in his first year of management and his entire spell at Down could have worked out differently right enough.
guys have kept ut of this( now have 7 pints in me)
i wish paddy the best
i believe we need someone out of teh county for a while and ibelieve that all the team will stay. with regard to Paddy he needs to pick a very good back up team , people talk about the kernans but the family in my view who will dominate football are the ckarkes
Quote from: naka on October 03, 2009, 08:29:55 PM
guys have kept ut of this( now have 7 pints in me)
i wish paddy the best
i believe we need someone out of teh county for a while and ibelieve that all the team will stay. with regard to Paddy he needs to pick a very good back up team , people talk about the kernans but the family in my view who will dominate football are the ckarkes
I couldn't agree more
I think that the process was screwed up and doomed to fail from the start, the process needs reviewed and there have to be changes at CB level - all of this was apparent in 2007 though and nothing happened to change it then so I won't hold my breath.
Anyway, all said and done, POR is the new Armagh manager and it's up to folk whether they want to support him in his task of managing Armagh's senior team by getting behind him - it's not his fault the entire process is shite!
I have seen talk of boycotts and folk not getting their season tickets and I have to say that this just sounds like a baby throwing its rattle out of the pram - wise yourselves up - it's the same men putting on the Orange and White jerseys - it's those men who deserve our support for the dedication and commitment they give to provide us with first class entertainment and yes POR will deserve our support despite the screwed up process that installed him as manager.
Quote from: Minder on October 03, 2009, 12:49:48 PM
Quote from: Sandy Hill on October 03, 2009, 12:33:30 PM
Must say that I'm gunked by this appointment; never saw it coming! There's something inherently against the GAA "natural law" for a man to go managing a neighbouring county, especially when there is no love lost with that neighbouring county . Could you imagine M Harte going to manage Derry, Colm O'Rourke going to Dublin, M O'Dwyer going to Cork or Joe Kernan going to Tyrone? What happens when Armagh and Down meet down the line in a crunch championship match; surely in that circumstance it would be asking a lot of any man to give everything he's got to plot the defeat of a team that he captained to AI success? I ask this question not to query P O'Rourke's integrity, I'm sure he's an honest and fair man, but rather to look at how a situation like this could put him under tremendous pressure.
I'd love to know what has attracted him to Armagh?
However he's in situ and I wish him well; what else can I do?
Anyone know when his appointment was made?
Micko would manage Rangers if the money was right.
We could do with him. :D :D
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 03, 2009, 07:08:30 PM
That this appointment would mean the end of stevie from killeavy
I was told a while back that McDonnell wont be back. Then again the man that told me that also told me that Grimley had the job and he had a few quid on it as well.
How wrong he was
Indeed, but no one could have predicted this a month ago.
The decision has been made so lets move on, support the new manager and hope like feck he gets the support staff he so badly needs.
At the end of the day all we can ask of him is his best, that we will get.
I just hope the players give im a chance because they seem to hold all the cards which boggles my mind.
I am over this. Up Armagh.
Quote from: Cúig huaire on October 03, 2009, 09:02:17 PM
Indeed, but no one could have predicted this a month ago.
Wrong again.
A poster on here predicted this at the start of September. I didn't believe him but turns out he had the inside track.
o'rourke needs:
a fitness trainer
a coach, capable of hands on work to improve players' games
an assistant who is tactically astute, can see switches and set up gameplans to counteract and explot oppositions.
any suggestions?
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 03, 2009, 09:12:37 PM
o'rourke needs:
a fitness trainer
a coach, capable of hands on work to improve players' games
an assistant who is tactically astute, can see switches and set up gameplans to counteract and explot oppositions.
any suggestions?
So what's he going to be doing?
eh... motivating apparently
Mickey Mc Gurn as Fitness Trainer?
Quote from: l-iver on October 03, 2009, 09:16:29 PM
Mickey Mc Gurn as Fitness Trainer?
This has been rumoured alright, although it hardly tallies with other reports that the county is broke :-\
Armagh out to 50/1 to win Sam on the back of the appointment. That's prob the highest price since 1997.
yup, even down are shorter odds
Chatting to johnny murtagh from crossmaglen here in new york and he was saying paddy o urouke was calling him looking him home to play for them,know hes good out here but is he good enough to help armagh??
Quote from: Family guy on October 03, 2009, 09:42:55 PM
Chatting to johnny murtagh from crossmaglen here in new york and he was saying paddy o urouke was calling him looking him home to play for them,know hes good out here but is he good enough to help armagh??
I dont think he'd be an automatic starter for cross.
Quote from: Family guy on October 03, 2009, 09:42:55 PM
Chatting to johnny murtagh from crossmaglen here in new york and he was saying paddy o urouke was calling him looking him home to play for them,know hes good out here but is he good enough to help armagh??
decent club player nothing more.
Quote from: Family guy on October 03, 2009, 09:42:55 PM
Chatting to johnny murtagh from crossmaglen here in new york and he was saying paddy o urouke was calling him looking him home to play for them,know hes good out here but is he good enough to help armagh??
lol. johnny's some craic. you couldn't believe a word came out of his mouth
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on October 03, 2009, 08:26:02 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on October 03, 2009, 08:22:45 PM
Abidy image of Paddy is dancing up mand down the sideline in those back tights in 2003 Ulster final at Clones when Down went nine points ahead of Tyrone. Alas the Paddy the dancing was soon to stop... 8)
To be fair I suppose you could say that only for dives from Canavan and McGuigan he'd have won an Ulster title in his first year of management and his entire spell at Down could have worked out differently right enough.
Rubbish.
Quote from: Gaffer on October 03, 2009, 10:56:12 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on October 03, 2009, 08:26:02 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on October 03, 2009, 08:22:45 PM
Abidy image of Paddy is dancing up mand down the sideline in those back tights in 2003 Ulster final at Clones when Down went nine points ahead of Tyrone. Alas the Paddy the dancing was soon to stop... 8)
To be fair I suppose you could say that only for dives from Canavan and McGuigan he'd have won an Ulster title in his first year of management and his entire spell at Down could have worked out differently right enough.
Rubbish.
How is it rubbish?
Canavan throw himself to the ground at the merest of touches to win the penalty, without which Tyrone were beaten.
And you can't argue that being a man down in closing stages wasn't a huge disadvantage to Down. Or maybe you'd try to claim that the weight of a ball being thrown at the chest usually knocks down intercounty footballers?
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 03, 2009, 09:31:46 PM
yup, even down are shorter odds
Carlsberg don't do 'laughable appointment processes', but if they did........................................................ ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
The whole Armagh management scenario makes the Down process seem like clockwork.
Arrogant f***ers. A week ago McGrath was not good anough even though he was more quallified than any one in house. Some times you get what you deserve. :D :D
Quote from: norabeag on October 04, 2009, 02:58:33 AM
Arrogant f***ers. A week ago McGrath was not good anough even though he was more quallified than any one in house. Some times you get what you deserve. :D :D
Are you talking about the Armagh appointment or the Down one? ::)
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on October 04, 2009, 03:30:04 AM
Quote from: norabeag on October 04, 2009, 02:58:33 AM
Arrogant f***ers. A week ago McGrath was not good anough even though he was more quallified than any one in house. Some times you get what you deserve. :D :D
Are you talking about the Armagh appointment or the Down one? ::)
Nope Down will be ok son ;)
Quote from: norabeag on October 04, 2009, 07:48:25 AM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on October 04, 2009, 03:30:04 AM
Quote from: norabeag on October 04, 2009, 02:58:33 AM
Arrogant f***ers. A week ago McGrath was not good anough even though he was more quallified than any one in house. Some times you get what you deserve. :D :D
Are you talking about the Armagh appointment or the Down one? ::)
Nope Down will be ok son ;)
Sure will. Decent management, alright forward line, solid midfield, Marty Clarke back,
six good defenders... oh wait ;)
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on October 03, 2009, 11:35:38 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on October 03, 2009, 10:56:12 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on October 03, 2009, 08:26:02 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on October 03, 2009, 08:22:45 PM
Abidy image of Paddy is dancing up mand down the sideline in those back tights in 2003 Ulster final at Clones when Down went nine points ahead of Tyrone. Alas the Paddy the dancing was soon to stop... 8)
To be fair I suppose you could say that only for dives from Canavan and McGuigan he'd have won an Ulster title in his first year of management and his entire spell at Down could have worked out differently right enough.
Rubbish.
How is it rubbish?
Canavan throw himself to the ground at the merest of touches to win the penalty, without which Tyrone were beaten.
And you can't argue that being a man down in closing stages wasn't a huge disadvantage to Down. Or maybe you'd try to claim that the weight of a ball being thrown at the chest usually knocks down intercounty footballers?
Canavan was fouled which explains why Tyrone got a penalty. Leave out the Tyrone bashing please. Its POR;s appointment we are discussing here. I hope he does well with Amagh
Quote from: norabeag on October 04, 2009, 07:48:25 AM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on October 04, 2009, 03:30:04 AM
Quote from: norabeag on October 04, 2009, 02:58:33 AM
Arrogant f***ers. A week ago McGrath was not good anough even though he was more quallified than any one in house. Some times you get what you deserve. :D :D
Are you talking about the Armagh appointment or the Down one? ::)
Nope Down will be ok son ;)
But obviously Down are, as you put it, arrogant f**kers, since turning down Pete McGrath is obvious the criteria for this?
Quote from: Gaffer on October 04, 2009, 10:56:52 AM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on October 03, 2009, 11:35:38 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on October 03, 2009, 10:56:12 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on October 03, 2009, 08:26:02 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on October 03, 2009, 08:22:45 PM
Abidy image of Paddy is dancing up mand down the sideline in those back tights in 2003 Ulster final at Clones when Down went nine points ahead of Tyrone. Alas the Paddy the dancing was soon to stop... 8)
To be fair I suppose you could say that only for dives from Canavan and McGuigan he'd have won an Ulster title in his first year of management and his entire spell at Down could have worked out differently right enough.
Rubbish.
How is it rubbish?
Canavan throw himself to the ground at the merest of touches to win the penalty, without which Tyrone were beaten.
And you can't argue that being a man down in closing stages wasn't a huge disadvantage to Down. Or maybe you'd try to claim that the weight of a ball being thrown at the chest usually knocks down intercounty footballers?
Canavan was fouled which explains why Tyrone got a penalty. Leave out the Tyrone bashing please. Its POR;s appointment we are discussing here. I hope he does well with Amagh
I don't think I was "Tyrone- bashing". Nothing I said there wasn't true.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on October 04, 2009, 11:17:52 AM
Quote from: norabeag on October 04, 2009, 07:48:25 AM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on October 04, 2009, 03:30:04 AM
Quote from: norabeag on October 04, 2009, 02:58:33 AM
Arrogant f***ers. A week ago McGrath was not good anough even though he was more quallified than any one in house. Some times you get what you deserve. :D :D
Are you talking about the Armagh appointment or the Down one? ::)
Nope Down will be ok son ;)
But obviously Down are, as you put it, arrogant f**kers, since turning down Pete McGrath is obvious the criteria for this?
Quote from: Gaffer on October 04, 2009, 10:56:52 AM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on October 03, 2009, 11:35:38 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on October 03, 2009, 10:56:12 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on October 03, 2009, 08:26:02 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on October 03, 2009, 08:22:45 PM
Abidy image of Paddy is dancing up mand down the sideline in those back tights in 2003 Ulster final at Clones when Down went nine points ahead of Tyrone. Alas the Paddy the dancing was soon to stop... 8)
To be fair I suppose you could say that only for dives from Canavan and McGuigan he'd have won an Ulster title in his first year of management and his entire spell at Down could have worked out differently right enough.
Rubbish.
How is it rubbish?
Canavan throw himself to the ground at the merest of touches to win the penalty, without which Tyrone were beaten.
And you can't argue that being a man down in closing stages wasn't a huge disadvantage to Down. Or maybe you'd try to claim that the weight of a ball being thrown at the chest usually knocks down intercounty footballers?
Canavan was fouled which explains why Tyrone got a penalty. Leave out the Tyrone bashing please. Its POR;s appointment we are discussing here. I hope he does well with Amagh
I don't think I was "Tyrone- bashing". Nothing I said there wasn't true.
You were bashing but lets look to the future, Eh?
It's a measure of how bad the last 15 years have been for Down that we are still talking about a draw from 2003, but there can be no doubt that Paddy O'Rourke was very unlucky not to win a USC that year. McGuigan tripped big Gregory as he was about to take a free, which is a straight red. Gregory threw the ball at him, which was foolish and a minimum yellow and maybe a red. Natural justice would have been red for McGuigan and yellow for Gregory. Aidan Mangan, the Kerry ref, sent off Gregory and took no action against McGuigan, which was ludicrous.
Down had to play the entire second half during a heat wave with 14 men, went 9 up and only a dubious penalty for Canavan got Tyrone a draw. You could question Paddy's tactics when we were defending the lead, but the fates were against him,
Unfortunately, we were destroyed in the replay and it all went downhill from there for Paddy. An inability to hold on to a lead was demonstrated time and again, and the evidence is that he has all the commitment in the world but reading a game from the sideline is not his strength. I wish him good luck with Armagh, unless they are playing us, but he needs plenty of time and the backing of all concerned and he is unlikely to get either.
Quote from: Mourne Rover on October 05, 2009, 12:16:39 AM
McGuigan tripped big Gregory as he was about to take a free, which is a straight red.
Is that right? Rare rules down in the Mourne.
Quote from: Mourne Rover on October 05, 2009, 12:16:39 AM
Down had to play the entire second half during a heat wave with 14 men, went 9 up and only a dubious penalty for Canavan got Tyrone a draw. You could question Paddy's tactics when we were defending the lead, but the fates were against him,
Now, this is tremendous. A heat-wave? What stand was that. It was warm. The penalty brought Tyrone back to SIX points behind. Even when they clawed back level, Down got another goal.
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 03, 2009, 09:12:37 PM
o'rourke needs:
a fitness trainer
a coach, capable of hands on work to improve players' games
an assistant who is tactically astute, can see switches and set up gameplans to counteract and explot oppositions.
any suggestions?
How about someone on the team who knows Armagh football & the players available? I have'nt seen Paddy O Rourke at too many club games!!!!
To be honest, when i first heard the news sat night I was'nt too happy. With time to reflect I think it might be alright. He takes the job with no club allegiances or 'S Armagh' Bias ;) If anything he is taking the job for the right reasons & seems to be a very passionate manager... he does not appear to be in it to make a quick buck & that can only be applauded. I say give the man a chance, get behind him & give him time to bring in new blood. Having watched quite a few championship years there are some very good players who can come into the panel from the likes of Granemore, B Mac Nab, Harps, clans etc..
Why didn't your county board consider John Brennan...just a thought
Poor Paddy doesnt stand a chance in Armagh, the criticism being heaped on him already is extreme but, not suprising - remember some of the abuse levelled at big Joe and his sons towards the end of his reign as manager. And lets face it big Joe was the man who led Armagh to thier only all ireland, and the only other time Armagh came close - he again was leading the charge from the pitch. So with that respect Paddy will never get a fair go from the Orchard supporters regardless of whether he delivers success or not.
One thing I do find hillarious is that the Armagh posters on this board seem to think that Armagh are on the brink of another all ireland sucess (only thier second). But lads, come on, wise up! It would'nt matter if Grimbo, Rafferty, McGrath, the almighy Geezer, big Joe, Alex Ferguson, the pied piper or Nelson Mandella were in charge of your county, the fact of the matter is ye's just arent good enough. Francies gone, Oisins gone, the McEntee's are gone, Marsdens gone, McGranes gone and they have'nt been replaced as special generations of players of that calibre may only come together every 30, 40 or 50 years or so and even then may not win anything.
It says a lot also that when a managerial crisis was going on in thier own counties, Big Joe, Geezer and Grimley all turned thier backs on Armagh, most probably for 1 of 2 reasons - tax free cash or the fact that Armagh simply dont have the players at present to deliver success.
Lads every dog has its day (we had 5), next up Antrim!
Quote from: Joe Umbrella (hey) on October 05, 2009, 10:31:03 AM
Poor Paddy doesnt stand a chance in Armagh, the criticism being heaped on him already is extreme but, not suprising - remember some of the abuse levelled at big Joe and his sons towards the end of his reign as manager. And lets face it big Joe was the man who led Armagh to thier only all ireland, and the only other time Armagh came close - he again was leading the charge from the pitch. So with that respect Paddy will never get a fair go from the Orchard supporters regardless of whether he delivers success or not.
One thing I do find hillarious is that the Armagh posters on this board seem to think that Armagh are on the brink of another all ireland sucess (only thier second). But lads, come on, wise up! It would'nt matter if Grimbo, Rafferty, McGrath, the almighy Geezer, big Joe, Alex Ferguson, the pied piper or Nelson Mandella were in charge of your county, the fact of the matter is ye's just arent good enough. Francies gone, Oisins gone, the McEntee's are gone, Marsdens gone, McGranes gone and they have'nt been replaced as special generations of players of that calibre may only come together every 30, 40 or 50 years or so and even then may not win anything.
It says a lot also that when a managerial crisis was going on in thier own counties, Big Joe, Geezer and Grimley all turned thier backs on Armagh, most probably for 1 of 2 reasons - tax free cash or the fact that Armagh simply dont have the players at present to deliver success.
Lads every dog has its day (we had 5), next up Antrim!
Someday you will earn the title of WUM, but not yet son.
Quote from: haveaharp on October 05, 2009, 10:45:05 AM
Quote from: Joe Umbrella (hey) on October 05, 2009, 10:31:03 AM
Poor Paddy doesnt stand a chance in Armagh, the criticism being heaped on him already is extreme but, not suprising - remember some of the abuse levelled at big Joe and his sons towards the end of his reign as manager. And lets face it big Joe was the man who led Armagh to thier only all ireland, and the only other time Armagh came close - he again was leading the charge from the pitch. So with that respect Paddy will never get a fair go from the Orchard supporters regardless of whether he delivers success or not.
One thing I do find hillarious is that the Armagh posters on this board seem to think that Armagh are on the brink of another all ireland sucess (only thier second). But lads, come on, wise up! It would'nt matter if Grimbo, Rafferty, McGrath, the almighy Geezer, big Joe, Alex Ferguson, the pied piper or Nelson Mandella were in charge of your county, the fact of the matter is ye's just arent good enough. Francies gone, Oisins gone, the McEntee's are gone, Marsdens gone, McGranes gone and they have'nt been replaced as special generations of players of that calibre may only come together every 30, 40 or 50 years or so and even then may not win anything.
It says a lot also that when a managerial crisis was going on in thier own counties, Big Joe, Geezer and Grimley all turned thier backs on Armagh, most probably for 1 of 2 reasons - tax free cash or the fact that Armagh simply dont have the players at present to deliver success.
Lads every dog has its day (we had 5), next up Antrim!
Someday you will earn the title of WUM, but not yet son.
Thats no wind up love, just the sad reality of Armagh football.
Also for all the Armagh posters here it was interesting to see Jim McCorry managing Kilcoo to the Down senior championship yesterday. Kilcoo a new, young good footballing team who's victory is great for Down football. - Yet another Armagh man contributing excellent managerial expertise to county other than his own, good man Jim thanks and congratulations.
Quote from: Joe Umbrella (hey) on October 05, 2009, 11:43:34 AM
Quote from: haveaharp on October 05, 2009, 10:45:05 AM
Quote from: Joe Umbrella (hey) on October 05, 2009, 10:31:03 AM
Poor Paddy doesnt stand a chance in Armagh, the criticism being heaped on him already is extreme but, not suprising - remember some of the abuse levelled at big Joe and his sons towards the end of his reign as manager. And lets face it big Joe was the man who led Armagh to thier only all ireland, and the only other time Armagh came close - he again was leading the charge from the pitch. So with that respect Paddy will never get a fair go from the Orchard supporters regardless of whether he delivers success or not.
One thing I do find hillarious is that the Armagh posters on this board seem to think that Armagh are on the brink of another all ireland sucess (only thier second). But lads, come on, wise up! It would'nt matter if Grimbo, Rafferty, McGrath, the almighy Geezer, big Joe, Alex Ferguson, the pied piper or Nelson Mandella were in charge of your county, the fact of the matter is ye's just arent good enough. Francies gone, Oisins gone, the McEntee's are gone, Marsdens gone, McGranes gone and they have'nt been replaced as special generations of players of that calibre may only come together every 30, 40 or 50 years or so and even then may not win anything.
It says a lot also that when a managerial crisis was going on in thier own counties, Big Joe, Geezer and Grimley all turned thier backs on Armagh, most probably for 1 of 2 reasons - tax free cash or the fact that Armagh simply dont have the players at present to deliver success.
Lads every dog has its day (we had 5), next up Antrim!
Someday you will earn the title of WUM, but not yet son.
Thats no wind up love, just the sad reality of Armagh football.
Also for all the Armagh posters here it was interesting to see Jim McCorry managing Kilcoo to the Down senior championship yesterday. Kilcoo a new, young good footballing team who's victory is great for Down football. - Yet another Armagh man contributing excellent managerial expertise to county other than his own, good man Jim thanks and congratulations.
And what of the tragic reality of Down football ? Jesus i could see through your crowing if you were going any place yourselves but in reality id sooner be from Carlow than Down.
Quote from: haveaharp on October 05, 2009, 11:50:47 AM
Quote from: Joe Umbrella (hey) on October 05, 2009, 11:43:34 AM
Quote from: haveaharp on October 05, 2009, 10:45:05 AM
Quote from: Joe Umbrella (hey) on October 05, 2009, 10:31:03 AM
Poor Paddy doesnt stand a chance in Armagh, the criticism being heaped on him already is extreme but, not suprising - remember some of the abuse levelled at big Joe and his sons towards the end of his reign as manager. And lets face it big Joe was the man who led Armagh to thier only all ireland, and the only other time Armagh came close - he again was leading the charge from the pitch. So with that respect Paddy will never get a fair go from the Orchard supporters regardless of whether he delivers success or not.
One thing I do find hillarious is that the Armagh posters on this board seem to think that Armagh are on the brink of another all ireland sucess (only thier second). But lads, come on, wise up! It would'nt matter if Grimbo, Rafferty, McGrath, the almighy Geezer, big Joe, Alex Ferguson, the pied piper or Nelson Mandella were in charge of your county, the fact of the matter is ye's just arent good enough. Francies gone, Oisins gone, the McEntee's are gone, Marsdens gone, McGranes gone and they have'nt been replaced as special generations of players of that calibre may only come together every 30, 40 or 50 years or so and even then may not win anything.
It says a lot also that when a managerial crisis was going on in thier own counties, Big Joe, Geezer and Grimley all turned thier backs on Armagh, most probably for 1 of 2 reasons - tax free cash or the fact that Armagh simply dont have the players at present to deliver success.
Lads every dog has its day (we had 5), next up Antrim!
Someday you will earn the title of WUM, but not yet son.
Thats no wind up love, just the sad reality of Armagh football.
Also for all the Armagh posters here it was interesting to see Jim McCorry managing Kilcoo to the Down senior championship yesterday. Kilcoo a new, young good footballing team who's victory is great for Down football. - Yet another Armagh man contributing excellent managerial expertise to county other than his own, good man Jim thanks and congratulations.
And what of the tragic reality of Down football ? Jesus i could see through your crowing if you were going any place yourselves but in reality id sooner be from Carlow than Down.
Hmm Armagh, Carlow it's the same thing in footballing terms isn't it? Although when Armagh ladies won the NFL division 2 title in 2005 they also won the All Ireland Junior title that year too. carlow on the otherhand when they won the ladie NFL division 2 title in 1993 whey did'nt back it up with a Junior All Ireland title.
On that basis I would have to say then that Armagh are marginally the stronger footballing county!
Did I ever tell you that Down have won 5 All Irelands? Have a look through those crows!
Quote from: Joe Umbrella (hey) on October 05, 2009, 12:23:35 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on October 05, 2009, 11:50:47 AM
Quote from: Joe Umbrella (hey) on October 05, 2009, 11:43:34 AM
Quote from: haveaharp on October 05, 2009, 10:45:05 AM
Quote from: Joe Umbrella (hey) on October 05, 2009, 10:31:03 AM
Poor Paddy doesnt stand a chance in Armagh, the criticism being heaped on him already is extreme but, not suprising - remember some of the abuse levelled at big Joe and his sons towards the end of his reign as manager. And lets face it big Joe was the man who led Armagh to thier only all ireland, and the only other time Armagh came close - he again was leading the charge from the pitch. So with that respect Paddy will never get a fair go from the Orchard supporters regardless of whether he delivers success or not.
One thing I do find hillarious is that the Armagh posters on this board seem to think that Armagh are on the brink of another all ireland sucess (only thier second). But lads, come on, wise up! It would'nt matter if Grimbo, Rafferty, McGrath, the almighy Geezer, big Joe, Alex Ferguson, the pied piper or Nelson Mandella were in charge of your county, the fact of the matter is ye's just arent good enough. Francies gone, Oisins gone, the McEntee's are gone, Marsdens gone, McGranes gone and they have'nt been replaced as special generations of players of that calibre may only come together every 30, 40 or 50 years or so and even then may not win anything.
It says a lot also that when a managerial crisis was going on in thier own counties, Big Joe, Geezer and Grimley all turned thier backs on Armagh, most probably for 1 of 2 reasons - tax free cash or the fact that Armagh simply dont have the players at present to deliver success.
Lads every dog has its day (we had 5), next up Antrim!
Someday you will earn the title of WUM, but not yet son.
Thats no wind up love, just the sad reality of Armagh football.
Also for all the Armagh posters here it was interesting to see Jim McCorry managing Kilcoo to the Down senior championship yesterday. Kilcoo a new, young good footballing team who's victory is great for Down football. - Yet another Armagh man contributing excellent managerial expertise to county other than his own, good man Jim thanks and congratulations.
And what of the tragic reality of Down football ? Jesus i could see through your crowing if you were going any place yourselves but in reality id sooner be from Carlow than Down.
Hmm Armagh, Carlow it's the same thing in footballing terms isn't it? Although when Armagh ladies won the NFL division 2 title in 2005 they also won the All Ireland Junior title that year too. carlow on the otherhand when they won the ladie NFL division 2 title in 1993 whey did'nt back it up with a Junior All Ireland title.
On that basis I would have to say then that Armagh are marginally the stronger footballing county!
Did I ever tell you that Down have won 5 All Irelands? Have a look through those crows!
So have Cavan - the most successful county in Ulster.
You dead right they are, sure big Grimley was there too. That reallly was the start of the trend that now is : Armagh men getting involved with superior footballing counties!
I can just imagine the poor Armagh souls are thinking now
Come on Cavan, sorry I mean Up Kildare, no wait a minute its Monaghan, no actually come on Galway, Oh woops its actually Armagh. Come on Armagh 4 more All Irelands and we'll match the mighy Cavan and those hoors from Down, lead us Paddy show us how Down done it.
u r some c*&k
God i hope we get you clowns in the ulster draw
Quote from: Joe Umbrella (hey) on October 05, 2009, 01:03:51 PM
You dead right they are, sure big Grimley was there too. That reallly was the start of the trend that now is : Armagh men getting involved with superior footballing counties!
I can just imagine the poor Armagh souls are thinking now
Come on Cavan, sorry I mean Up Kildare, no wait a minute its Monaghan, no actually come on Galway, Oh woops its actually Armagh. Come on Armagh 4 more All Irelands and we'll match the mighy Cavan and those hoors from Down, lead us Paddy show us how Down done it.
Down dont really register with us Armachians - we are too busy on our northern border. Down are a laughing stock of a team and wont be winning anything soon. Your great hope Benny Coulter would not get a place in the Armagh full forward line.
I hope we meet next summer.
Until then.
Quote from: haveaharp on October 05, 2009, 01:10:34 PM
Quote from: Joe Umbrella (hey) on October 05, 2009, 01:03:51 PM
You dead right they are, sure big Grimley was there too. That reallly was the start of the trend that now is : Armagh men getting involved with superior footballing counties!
I can just imagine the poor Armagh souls are thinking now
Come on Cavan, sorry I mean Up Kildare, no wait a minute its Monaghan, no actually come on Galway, Oh woops its actually Armagh. Come on Armagh 4 more All Irelands and we'll match the mighy Cavan and those hoors from Down, lead us Paddy show us how Down done it.
Down dont really register with us Armachians - we are too busy on our northern border. Down are a laughing stock of a team and wont be winning anything soon. Your great hope Benny Coulter would not get a place in the Armagh full forward line.
I hope we meet next summer.
Until then.
I would'nt be so sure Haveaharp, Paddy O'Rourkes now your manager there will always be a place for Benny in Paddy's heart being a true Down man. Speaking of which Paddy having won All Irelands with Down at minor, under 21, senior, and club, he's used to nothing but sucess but now he's changed his allegience to Armagh.
Its a bit like swapping your:
- Ferrari for a Fiat Uno,
- Cheryl cole for Joe Cole, (in terms of lovers)
- An Armani suit for a Dunnes one. (Armani's a famous clothes designer for those on the northern border and I'm hoping u know what Dunnes is)
- Martin Clarke for Ronan Clarke
I'm sure you get the picture,
Like you said I'll see you next summer then as I take it as true Armagh gael you won't be going to see me when Down play Armagh early next year in the league?
This is funny. ;D ;D
I don't think the reaction would have been as bad if the Rev Ian Paisley got the job ;D
Quote from: Joe Umbrella (hey) on October 05, 2009, 01:40:38 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on October 05, 2009, 01:10:34 PM
Quote from: Joe Umbrella (hey) on October 05, 2009, 01:03:51 PM
You dead right they are, sure big Grimley was there too. That reallly was the start of the trend that now is : Armagh men getting involved with superior footballing counties!
I can just imagine the poor Armagh souls are thinking now
Come on Cavan, sorry I mean Up Kildare, no wait a minute its Monaghan, no actually come on Galway, Oh woops its actually Armagh. Come on Armagh 4 more All Irelands and we'll match the mighy Cavan and those hoors from Down, lead us Paddy show us how Down done it.
Down dont really register with us Armachians - we are too busy on our northern border. Down are a laughing stock of a team and wont be winning anything soon. Your great hope Benny Coulter would not get a place in the Armagh full forward line.
I hope we meet next summer.
Until then.
I would'nt be so sure Haveaharp, Paddy O'Rourkes now your manager there will always be a place for Benny in Paddy's heart being a true Down man. Speaking of which Paddy having won All Irelands with Down at minor, under 21, senior, and club, he's used to nothing but sucess but now he's changed his allegience to Armagh.
even as a manager?
Quote from: Joe Umbrella (hey) on October 05, 2009, 01:40:38 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on October 05, 2009, 01:10:34 PM
Quote from: Joe Umbrella (hey) on October 05, 2009, 01:03:51 PM
You dead right they are, sure big Grimley was there too. That reallly was the start of the trend that now is : Armagh men getting involved with superior footballing counties!
I can just imagine the poor Armagh souls are thinking now
Come on Cavan, sorry I mean Up Kildare, no wait a minute its Monaghan, no actually come on Galway, Oh woops its actually Armagh. Come on Armagh 4 more All Irelands and we'll match the mighy Cavan and those hoors from Down, lead us Paddy show us how Down done it.
Down dont really register with us Armachians - we are too busy on our northern border. Down are a laughing stock of a team and wont be winning anything soon. Your great hope Benny Coulter would not get a place in the Armagh full forward line.
I hope we meet next summer.
Until then.
I would'nt be so sure Haveaharp, Paddy O'Rourkes now your manager there will always be a place for Benny in Paddy's heart being a true Down man. Speaking of which Paddy having won All Irelands with Down at minor, under 21, senior, and club, he's used to nothing but sucess but now he's changed his allegience to Armagh.
Its a bit like swapping your:
- Ferrari for a Fiat Uno,
- Cheryl cole for Joe Cole, (in terms of lovers)
- An Armani suit for a Dunnes one. (Armani's a famous clothes designer for those on the northern border and I'm hoping u know what Dunnes is)
- Martin Clarke for Ronan Clarke
I'm sure you get the picture,
Like you said I'll see you next summer then as I take it as true Armagh gael you won't be going to see me when Down play Armagh early next year in the league?
Very good. ;D
Quote from: bingobus on October 05, 2009, 01:44:21 PM
This is funny. ;D ;D
I don't think the reaction would have been as bad if the Rev Ian Paisley got the job ;D
At least he was born in the orchard county ;D
Quote from: haveaharp on October 05, 2009, 02:21:13 PM
Quote from: bingobus on October 05, 2009, 01:44:21 PM
This is funny. ;D ;D
I don't think the reaction would have been as bad if the Rev Ian Paisley got the job ;D
At least he was born in the orchard county ;D
Well he was offered it but said:
Never, Never, Never, No, No, No
I have heard so many rumours over this appointment - wanted to see if any might be confirmed or denounced here.
On the five man player committee th ratify POR's appointment, out of R Clarke, Stevie, Marty OR, Ciaran McK and an other, only stevie wanted POR. they have worked together before I think. THis would suggest Stevie MIGHT stay on, but the fact that he is keen to start a club management career would argue against it.
Hughie Morgan asked the Armagh strength coach (rugby dude, his name escapes me) how he would like working with POR THREE Weeks ago.,yet everyone at the Ulster Writers do on Friday night was as surprised as the rest of Armagh at the appointment.
Ciaran McK was livid at the thought of playing under Pete McGrath because of his Down heritage - how will he react to POR?
POR will be a figurehead, and the driving force of the management team will be the "Dream Team" of Marsden, McGrane,and McConville - POR has proven himself to be tactically niaive and mallable by those around him in previous appointments, and will let them dictate tactics.
Hey, it is the only thing anyone is talking about in the county, just wanted to air some of the sentiments.
Can't see McGrane being involved in the management team and oisin won't be.
that leaves diarmaid as a possibility
ardesell,
POR was sounded out early sept along with a few others, when it became apparent that grimley was not for turning, it is wrong to say that he was ofered the job, there was hope that mc alinden would step up but he wants to stay with the u-21s,
i know rafferty(j) was approached by a club directly and asked would he consider being nominated by them and he declined
r u sure about the dream team, cos marsden`s contarct precludes him from working with the county does it not, and it would be somewhat strange for mc grane to be part of a selection committee and then be a selecter/asistant but hey who knows
QuoteHughie Morgan asked the Armagh strength coach (rugby dude, his name escapes me) how he would like working with POR THREE Weeks ago
Does anyone know Hugh Morgan's football background/pedigree? Surely as sponsor he has no right, I would have thought, to contribute even in a small way to a management appointment; would he also get a say in team selections and tactics? I saw him and O'Rourke together at the Intermediate Final yesterday; seem to be big buddies.
Quote from: naka on October 05, 2009, 03:31:24 PM
ardesell,
POR was sounded out early sept along with a few others, when it became apparent that grimley was not for turning, it is wrong to say that he was ofered the job, there was hope that mc alinden would step up but he wants to stay with the u-21s,
i know rafferty(j) was approached by a club directly and asked would he consider being nominated by them and he declined
r u sure about the dream team, cos marsden`s contarct precludes him from working with the county does it not, and it would be somewhat strange for mc grane to be part of a selection committee and then be a selecter/asistant but hey who knows
Ulster council employee's aren't allowed to coach teams unless it is their own county / club. So he'll be ok.
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on October 05, 2009, 03:43:38 PM
Quote from: naka on October 05, 2009, 03:31:24 PM
ardesell,
POR was sounded out early sept along with a few others, when it became apparent that grimley was not for turning, it is wrong to say that he was ofered the job, there was hope that mc alinden would step up but he wants to stay with the u-21s,
i know rafferty(j) was approached by a club directly and asked would he consider being nominated by them and he declined
r u sure about the dream team, cos marsden`s contarct precludes him from working with the county does it not, and it would be somewhat strange for mc grane to be part of a selection committee and then be a selecter/asistant but hey who knows
Ulster council employee's aren't allowed to coach teams unless it is their own county / club. So he'll be ok.
I've heard a recent rule change has closed that loophole and they are no longer permitted to work with any team. Anyone confirm?
Quote from: Joe Umbrella (hey) on October 05, 2009, 01:40:38 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on October 05, 2009, 01:10:34 PM
Quote from: Joe Umbrella (hey) on October 05, 2009, 01:03:51 PM
You dead right they are, sure big Grimley was there too. That reallly was the start of the trend that now is : Armagh men getting involved with superior footballing counties!
I can just imagine the poor Armagh souls are thinking now
Come on Cavan, sorry I mean Up Kildare, no wait a minute its Monaghan, no actually come on Galway, Oh woops its actually Armagh. Come on Armagh 4 more All Irelands and we'll match the mighy Cavan and those hoors from Down, lead us Paddy show us how Down done it.
Down dont really register with us Armachians - we are too busy on our northern border. Down are a laughing stock of a team and wont be winning anything soon. Your great hope Benny Coulter would not get a place in the Armagh full forward line.
I hope we meet next summer.
Until then.
I would'nt be so sure Haveaharp, Paddy O'Rourkes now your manager there will always be a place for Benny in Paddy's heart being a true Down man. Speaking of which Paddy having won All Irelands with Down at minor, under 21, senior, and club, he's used to nothing but sucess but now he's changed his allegience to Armagh.
Its a bit like swapping your:
- Ferrari for a Fiat Uno,
- Cheryl cole for Joe Cole, (in terms of lovers)
- An Armani suit for a Dunnes one. (Armani's a famous clothes designer for those on the northern border and I'm hoping u know what Dunnes is)
- Martin Clarke for Ronan Clarke
I'm sure you get the picture,
Like you said I'll see you next summer then as I take it as true Armagh gael you won't be going to see me when Down play Armagh early next year in the league?
Things aren't exactly rosy in Armagh, but it does brighten up the day when an aristocrat comes on and spouts shite! Marty Clarke gets 2-4 against some shitty mountain team and all of a sudden there is a renewed sense of confidence from the creators of football! If I want a history lesson I know who to ask ::)
Quote from: T Fearon on October 05, 2009, 01:42:53 PM
We would have been safer with Mary O'Rourke FFS. What is going on here? If we had to have an outside manager could we at least not have opted for someone with a track record?
Aidan O'Rourke obviously didnt want it - Tony get that convertible out next summer and follow Paddy and armagh to the promised land ;D
Quote from: fitzroyalty on October 05, 2009, 04:24:13 PM
Quote from: Joe Umbrella (hey) on October 05, 2009, 01:40:38 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on October 05, 2009, 01:10:34 PM
Quote from: Joe Umbrella (hey) on October 05, 2009, 01:03:51 PM
You dead right they are, sure big Grimley was there too. That reallly was the start of the trend that now is : Armagh men getting involved with superior footballing counties!
I can just imagine the poor Armagh souls are thinking now
Come on Cavan, sorry I mean Up Kildare, no wait a minute its Monaghan, no actually come on Galway, Oh woops its actually Armagh. Come on Armagh 4 more All Irelands and we'll match the mighy Cavan and those hoors from Down, lead us Paddy show us how Down done it.
Down dont really register with us Armachians - we are too busy on our northern border. Down are a laughing stock of a team and wont be winning anything soon. Your great hope Benny Coulter would not get a place in the Armagh full forward line.
I hope we meet next summer.
Until then.
I would'nt be so sure Haveaharp, Paddy O'Rourkes now your manager there will always be a place for Benny in Paddy's heart being a true Down man. Speaking of which Paddy having won All Irelands with Down at minor, under 21, senior, and club, he's used to nothing but sucess but now he's changed his allegience to Armagh.
Its a bit like swapping your:
- Ferrari for a Fiat Uno,
- Cheryl cole for Joe Cole, (in terms of lovers)
- An Armani suit for a Dunnes one. (Armani's a famous clothes designer for those on the northern border and I'm hoping u know what Dunnes is)
- Martin Clarke for Ronan Clarke
I'm sure you get the picture,
Like you said I'll see you next summer then as I take it as true Armagh gael you won't be going to see me when Down play Armagh early next year in the league?
Things aren't exactly rosy in Armagh, but it does brighten up the day when an aristocrat comes on and spouts shite! Marty Clarke gets 2-4 against some shitty mountain team and all of a sudden there is a renewed sense of confidence from the creators of football! If I want a history lesson I know who to ask ::)
Now now Fitzroyalty....everyone knows that football wasnt invented until 2002 :D
Quoteeveryone knows that football wasnt invented until 2002
That's bollix, sure didn't Oisin score 2-7 against Down in 1999.
Quote from: AFS on October 05, 2009, 04:04:27 PM
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on October 05, 2009, 03:43:38 PM
Quote from: naka on October 05, 2009, 03:31:24 PM
ardesell,
POR was sounded out early sept along with a few others, when it became apparent that grimley was not for turning, it is wrong to say that he was ofered the job, there was hope that mc alinden would step up but he wants to stay with the u-21s,
i know rafferty(j) was approached by a club directly and asked would he consider being nominated by them and he declined
r u sure about the dream team, cos marsden`s contarct precludes him from working with the county does it not, and it would be somewhat strange for mc grane to be part of a selection committee and then be a selecter/asistant but hey who knows
Ulster council employee's aren't allowed to coach teams unless it is their own county / club. So he'll be ok.
I've heard a recent rule change has closed that loophole and they are no longer permitted to work with any team. Anyone confirm?
i beleave this to be corect i understand tony scullion was droped from derry minor manager race last year because he was an employee of ulster council gaa, also was very shocked 2 hear paddy o'rourke got the armagh job, when paul grimley didnt get it i wod have thought john rafferty wod be the best candad8 i had the privlege of working with him for a season the man is county material without a doubt and his no-nonsense aproach wod be good for armagh to take through all the younger talent
Quote from: Sandy Hill on October 05, 2009, 03:40:16 PM
QuoteHughie Morgan asked the Armagh strength coach (rugby dude, his name escapes me) how he would like working with POR THREE Weeks ago
Does anyone know Hugh Morgan's football background/pedigree? Surely as sponsor he has no right, I would have thought, to contribute even in a small way to a management appointment; would he also get a say in team selections and tactics? I saw him and O'Rourke together at the Intermediate Final yesterday; seem to be big buddies.
Armagh should do what Killeavey done.
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POR will be a figurehead, and the driving force of the management team will be the "Dream Team" of Marsden, McGrane,and McConville
"Dream team"??? That would be a terrible management team.
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POR will be a figurehead, and the driving force of the management team will be the "Dream Team" of Marsden, McGrane,and McConville
"Dream team"??? That would be a terrible management team.
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If they wanted Marden and McGrane to run things they should have given them boys the job. Heard McConville won't be involved now.
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on October 05, 2009, 04:35:10 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on October 05, 2009, 01:42:53 PM
We would have been safer with Mary O'Rourke FFS. What is going on here? If we had to have an outside manager could we at least not have opted for someone with a track record?
Aidan O'Rourke obviously didnt want it - Tony get that convertible out next summer and follow Paddy and armagh to the promised land ;D
whats aidan o'rourke got to do with anything?
Quote from: bingobus on October 05, 2009, 01:44:21 PM
This is funny. ;D ;D
I don't think the reaction would have been as bad if the Rev Ian Paisley got the job ;D
At least he is an Armagh man. :)
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Things aren't exactly rosy in Armagh, but it does brighten up the day when an aristocrat comes on and spouts shite! Marty Clarke gets 2-4 against some shitty mountain team and all of a sudden there is a renewed sense of confidence from the creators of football! If I want a history lesson I know who to ask ::)
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Nobody calls the All-Ireland champions a shitty mountain team and gets away with it.Fitzroyalty, stick to the Hatfield because you'll never survive in the Halfway.
I think POR will be lucky to last the National League, player revolt on the cards and supporters to boycott games.
Armagh are a laughing stock. >:(
Quote from: Muhammed McCarthy on October 05, 2009, 08:40:43 PM
I think POR will be lucky to last the National League, player revolt on the cards and supporters to boycott games.
Armagh are a laughing stock. >:(
Player revolt??
By all accounts, the players knew who was going to get the manager's job and approved.
Supporters to boycott games?
That says more about them as supporters than anything else. I wonder if those people followed their county all through the lean years when we won nathin'
Quote from: pintsofguinness on October 05, 2009, 06:42:18 PM
Quote from: Sandy Hill on October 05, 2009, 03:40:16 PM
QuoteHughie Morgan asked the Armagh strength coach (rugby dude, his name escapes me) how he would like working with POR THREE Weeks ago
Does anyone know Hugh Morgan's football background/pedigree? Surely as sponsor he has no right, I would have thought, to contribute even in a small way to a management appointment; would he also get a say in team selections and tactics? I saw him and O'Rourke together at the Intermediate Final yesterday; seem to be big buddies.
Armagh should do what Killeavey done.Quote
POR will be a figurehead, and the driving force of the management team will be the "Dream Team" of Marsden, McGrane,and McConville
"Dream team"??? That would be a terrible management team.
Pints, what did Killeavey do?
Ran him when he tried to run the whole show
Quote from: Muhammed McCarthy on October 05, 2009, 08:40:43 PM
I think POR will be lucky to last the National League, player revolt on the cards and supporters to boycott games.
Armagh are a laughing stock. >:(
The county board are the clampetts here, not O'Rourke.
I talked to a mate today for over an hour on the goings on in our fair county and he tells me the County have gotten their last penny from him AFTER he goes to the county final and he tells me there are a lot of hard core Armagh faithful that wont go back to games until the board is gone.
If I was at home I would be at every game supporting the team regardless of who the manager is, I miss Armagh club and county football more than anything else.
I doubt there'll be many that actually go through with any type of personal boycott next year, but I'd be surprised if attendances don't drop given the widespread disillusionment felt within the county.
Quote from: AFS on October 05, 2009, 09:15:55 PM
I doubt there'll be many that actually go through with any type of personal boycott next year, but I'd be surprised if attendances don't drop given the widespread disillusionment felt within the county.
Depends on the first few performances I'd say.
There's a lot of pissed off people.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on October 05, 2009, 09:29:41 PM
Quote from: AFS on October 05, 2009, 09:15:55 PM
I doubt there'll be many that actually go through with any type of personal boycott next year, but I'd be surprised if attendances don't drop given the widespread disillusionment felt within the county.
Depends on the first few performances I'd say.
There's a lot of pissed off people.
says a lot about our support if that is true, i remember 82-99 when we won fk all but we had a great support, maybe we can get back to the days when the true supporters turn up
Quote from: naka on October 05, 2009, 09:47:03 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on October 05, 2009, 09:29:41 PM
Quote from: AFS on October 05, 2009, 09:15:55 PM
I doubt there'll be many that actually go through with any type of personal boycott next year, but I'd be surprised if attendances don't drop given the widespread disillusionment felt within the county.
Depends on the first few performances I'd say.
There's a lot of pissed off people.
says a lot about our support if that is true, i remember 82-99 when we won fk all but we had a great support, maybe we can get back to the days when the true supporters turn up
I dont think it's about winning f**k all.
It's about being angry about what has happened.
Quote from: naka on October 05, 2009, 09:47:03 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on October 05, 2009, 09:29:41 PM
Quote from: AFS on October 05, 2009, 09:15:55 PM
I doubt there'll be many that actually go through with any type of personal boycott next year, but I'd be surprised if attendances don't drop given the widespread disillusionment felt within the county.
Depends on the first few performances I'd say.
There's a lot of pissed off people.
says a lot about our support if that is true, i remember 82-99 when we won fk all but we had a great support, maybe we can get back to the days when the true supporters turn up
+1 :)
Quote from: pintsofguinness on October 05, 2009, 09:57:58 PM
Quote from: naka on October 05, 2009, 09:47:03 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on October 05, 2009, 09:29:41 PM
Quote from: AFS on October 05, 2009, 09:15:55 PM
I doubt there'll be many that actually go through with any type of personal boycott next year, but I'd be surprised if attendances don't drop given the widespread disillusionment felt within the county.
Depends on the first few performances I'd say.
There's a lot of pissed off people.
says a lot about our support if that is true, i remember 82-99 when we won fk all but we had a great support, maybe we can get back to the days when the true supporters turn up
I dont think it's about winning f**k all.
It's about being angry about what has happened.
That's it. Most supporters are wise enough to know we're not going to do much for the forseeable future, attendances won't suffer unduly because of lack of success. They may suffer because
a lot of people are completely fucked off with the shady dealings and personal agendas being allowed to flourish to the detriment of football in our county.
When was that interview given? I take it it was done before the clubs got a chance to ratify him, or should I put it they were TOLD they would ratify him.
Quote from: thewobbler on October 02, 2009, 11:16:29 PM
I was quite vociferous in the campaign to have Paddy removed from the Down job when it happened, but he still one of the great Down gaels and I'd like to wish him every success in his new position.
Armagh wans should note that his team selections and judgement of a player's best position were never far wrong for Down, and he is also a very good speaker - hence most of the Down squad wanted him retained at the time. It'll be most interesting though to watch how his desire to play "pure" football merges with the defensive, highly tactical football Armagh players have gotten used to in recent seasons.
I'd also say this - Armagh already have more genuinely talented man-marking defenders (McKeever, Mallon, Moriarty, P Kernan), than Down had throughout his 4 year tenure. So there is a better chance that this "pure" football might actually work with Armagh.
All slagging aside I think most people in Down would echo thewobblers sentiments. It will be hard for both sets of supporters to see such a prominent Down man in charge of Armagh, but he will give the job his all.
From this thread and over on Orchard County there's the argument that we should put aside all the crap of the past while, get behind the new manager and the team, it's your county after all. And if you don't then you're not a true supporter, only a fly by night. Does that mean then that the County Board is off the hook till the next time? At what stage do people say enough is enough? As others have said here the problem isn't with Paddy O'Rourke it's with the County Board and the shenanigans of the past 2 or 3 years, and the fact that a number of better qualified individuals within the county are not deemed appointable or have ruled themselves out. It's the very fact that supporters do give a shite about the county set up that they want the thing better managed and without prejudice.
Quote from: Armamike on October 05, 2009, 10:37:56 PM
From this thread and over on Orchard County there's the argument that we should put aside all the crap of the past while, get behind the new manager and the team, it's your county after all. And if you don't then you're not a true supporter, only a fly by night. Does that mean then that the County Board is off the hook till the next time? At what stage do people say enough is enough? As others have said here the problem isn't with Paddy O'Rourke it's with the County Board and the shenanigans of the past 2 or 3 years, and the fact that a number of better qualified individuals within the county are not deemed appointable or have ruled themselves out. It's the very fact that supporters do give a shite about the county set up that they want the thing better managed and without prejudice.
Exactly
Quote from: pintsofguinness on October 05, 2009, 10:39:51 PM
Quote from: Armamike on October 05, 2009, 10:37:56 PM
From this thread and over on Orchard County there's the argument that we should put aside all the crap of the past while, get behind the new manager and the team, it's your county after all. And if you don't then you're not a true supporter, only a fly by night. Does that mean then that the County Board is off the hook till the next time? At what stage do people say enough is enough? As others have said here the problem isn't with Paddy O'Rourke it's with the County Board and the shenanigans of the past 2 or 3 years, and the fact that a number of better qualified individuals within the county are not deemed appointable or have ruled themselves out. It's the very fact that supporters do give a shite about the county set up that they want the thing better managed and without prejudice.
Exactly
Dissent is the highest form of patriotism and all that 8)
Heard the full story on this. Armagh is a county full of surprises. i'm not surprised the supporters are pissed off.
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on October 05, 2009, 08:43:28 PM
Quote from: Muhammed McCarthy on October 05, 2009, 08:40:43 PM
I think POR will be lucky to last the National League, player revolt on the cards and supporters to boycott games.
Armagh are a laughing stock. >:(
Player revolt??
By all accounts, the players knew who was going to get the manager's job and approved.Supporters to boycott games?
That says more about them as supporters than anything else. I wonder if those people followed their county all through the lean years when we won nathin'
That was the bit I found most surprising.
whilst everyone here is slagging off the county board very few would become members of it, i have been on my club committee and was involved in south board meetings, it is tedious and time consuming, our club is not cross so success is few and far between therefore i got grief from the wife for going out 2/3 times a week and getting no thanks for it never mind money.
whilst the CB have to all intents and purposes made a hash of this( and in my view Grimley hasnt come out of it with any kudos either) who is going to replace them.
the only job that would attract interest is nugents( its a paid post i think)
the only lesson we need to learn out of this is that we maybe should look for a sponsor who doesnt have such a hands on role--( for years boylesports have been pushing to get involved maybe now is the time)
if Hughie is so passionate he could become a secondary sponsor to all the other teams outside the seniors for the same money
Mr Boyle Sports is from Camlough yes?
Paddy good luck, once people get their rant out of the way you will still be backed!! Roll on January!
Quote from: Armamike on October 05, 2009, 10:37:56 PM
From this thread and over on Orchard County there's the argument that we should put aside all the crap of the past while, get behind the new manager and the team, it's your county after all. And if you don't then you're not a true supporter, only a fly by night. Does that mean then that the County Board is off the hook till the next time? At what stage do people say enough is enough? As others have said here the problem isn't with Paddy O'Rourke it's with the County Board and the shenanigans of the past 2 or 3 years, and the fact that a number of better qualified individuals within the county are not deemed appointable or have ruled themselves out. It's the very fact that supporters do give a shite about the county set up that they want the thing better managed and without prejudice.
I have no issue with that, my point is we can do nothing to change what has happened in the short term so we, as supporters should back our team come hell or high water - it's the men wearing the jerseys who will suffer if we don't!
I'm still waitin to hear which of his neighbours pints is switching his alliegance to. ;)
Anybody else hear that Jody Gormley is part of backroom team?
Paddy Og can't be sacked. he's answerable directly to croke park. same as frank murphy in cork and all the other full time secretaries around the country.
I won't be going to games next year. this is after thirty years of unbroken following. that's not to say i won't be supporting armagh - i will - but i won't be handing over any cash that might find its way to this county board. i have already cancelled my direct debit to the orchard club (or whatever they're calling it this year), won't be buying a ticket for the vegas fight night, etc.
My reasons for this are in protest at the appointment of paddy o'rourke as armagh manager and i protest for two reasons:
1 - o'rourke is the most bitter anti armagh man you could ever meet.
he traded on being the big armagh hater in down for years. i vividly remember his tv interview circa early 2004 claiming armagh were finished and wouldn't be back for a long time. his supposed "motivational skills" are based entirely on monologues surrounding the subjects of red and black blood running through veins, glorifying the history of the down jersey and eulogising sean o'neill, james mccartan et al. The thought that we have handed over the development of our senior team and the integration of our successful minor & u21 teams to this man turns my stomach.
2 - He is a bad manager.
His record with clubs and county is mediocre at best. The most damning critique i heard this week was from a current burren player who was delighted with relief because o'rourke was going to be burren manager again next year. there are a litany of better qualified men to do the job, not only outside but also within armagh. can anyone give me 3 reasons to appoint this man as the manager of the armagh senior team?
on the point someone made about the players supporting this appointment - only one player supported it. he just happened to be the one who conveyed the thoughts of the group to the selection panel.
Donal Murtagh's article in the Irish News this morning says everything that you need to know about our county board and the selection committee.
Oisin McConville's rejection of the assistant's role (today's Irish News), even though he was lined up to assist whoever got the job is another damning appraisal of the appointment.
Quote from: Real1995 on October 06, 2009, 10:26:25 AM
Anybody else hear that Jody Gormley is part of backroom team?
If thats true it will be the final straw for some of the Armagh fans.
I feel exactly the same Duffleking - i won't be handing any of my hard earned cash over to the present county board for safekeeping either.
Donal Murtagh's story in the IN today confirms the shambolic nature of the appoinment. That's another good man lost to the county cause for the foreseeable future. A managerial All-Ireland winner in our own back yard and he doesn't get a look in. Figure that one out.
Can anyone post the IN article?
Can anyone post the article up?
The line for me was something like " In Four years I've won 3 County Championships, £ Ulsters and 1 All Ireland, The only better qualified person in the county is Joe Kernan and he is not available".
Think that sums it up really how pathetic and inept the County Board are. To treat a man that has brought pride and honour to his club both as a player and a manager over the last decade or more to get a kick in the balls like that is a disgrace.
Naka, I dont think anyone would have a problem with the CB if they were upfront and honest. Never mind the club delegates, as half the time they dont appear to know whats going on. Its the "inner circle" thats crooked and needs cleared out
Of course, anything for the Armagh lads ;)...
Murtagh made to feel cold by calls
By Paddy Heaney
Donal Murtagh has revealed how he went from being the number one candidate for the vacant post of Armagh manager to being left out in the cold.
And by outlining his short discussions with an unnamed individual, Murtagh has also shed some light on the events which led to Paddy O'Rourke being appointed as the new boss.
Murtagh's descent from top contender to non-runner took just "three short phone calls".
He said: "On the first call, they told me that I was one of the few men who was nominated.
"They said they might have to talk to one other candidate, and that they might go and source another candidate. I understood that. That was no problem with me whatsoever."
For the next phone call, Murtagh was asked if he would be prepared to work as assistant to another unnamed manager.
"They asked me if I might want to work with another man. I said it was difficult to say, as I didn't know who the person was," he said.
"They could force me on him, or him on me and we mightn't be compatible.
"I said I couldn't work with the man until I knew who the man was. They weren't willing to say who the man was. But I did say it was a possibility."
By the next call, Murtagh was informed that he'd been demoted and was no longer the leading candidate.
"I was told that I wasn't the number one choice any more. I was told I was a very strong number two to this man, but they wouldn't say who the man was."
After that third call, Murtagh didn't receive any more contact from the representative of the county board.
"The next thing I heard on the news was that Paddy O'Rourke got the job. That's the exact contact that I had with them," he said.
While keen not to criticise the appointment of Paddy O'Rourke, Murtagh did express some misgivings about the selection process.
"The committee obviously felt he was the best man for the job. Only time will tell.
"He [Paddy O'Rourke] has obviously managed a county team before and he was a born winner as a player.
"Obviously I hadn't managed or played anything worth talking about at county level. Maybe, that went against me. I don't know. Who knows what goes on?" said the Cross manager.
He added: "Obviously I was the most qualified man in Armagh going for the job. Joe Kernan is the only man with a better record than me, and Joe is obviously not available.
"I have won three Armagh, three Ulster, and one All-Ireland in four years, so we didn't do too bad.
"I was nominated for the position, but I didn't get an interview. I think Neil Smyth was in the same boat. He was nominated but neither of us got interviews.
"Neil busted a gut for Armagh for years. I think the least we deserved was an interview, never mind three short phone calls. But these things never seem to be done right."
Posted by: DuffleKing
1 - o'rourke is the most bitter anti armagh man you could ever meet.
he traded on being the big armagh hater in down for years. i vividly remember his tv interview circa early 2004 claiming armagh were finished and wouldn't be back for a long time. his supposed "motivational skills" are based entirely on monologues surrounding the subjects of red and black blood running through veins, glorifying the history of the down jersey and eulogising sean o'neill, james mccartan et al. The thought that we have handed over the development of our senior team and the integration of our successful minor & u21 teams to this man turns my stomach.
Duffleking your a first class gobsh*te. Unless you know the man personally i dont think your in a great position to judge what he personally thinks of Armagh. Is there something wrong with him expressing (if he even did) the OPINION that Armagh were finished and wouldnt be back for a long time. And whoever told you about the red n Black blood thing and eulogising about past players was also completely wrong. It turns my stomach to read such vile comments and pure sh*te from some posters on here. be mad at your county board, be mad at your sponsors, be mad at each other, but Paddy O Rourke is a decent gale with a fine background only trying to do the best he can. Hang him and abuse him if he fails miserably but ffs give the man a chance to prove himself. Get over yourselves.
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on October 06, 2009, 11:13:19 AM
Posted by: DuffleKing
1 - o'rourke is the most bitter anti armagh man you could ever meet.
he traded on being the big armagh hater in down for years. i vividly remember his tv interview circa early 2004 claiming armagh were finished and wouldn't be back for a long time. his supposed "motivational skills" are based entirely on monologues surrounding the subjects of red and black blood running through veins, glorifying the history of the down jersey and eulogising sean o'neill, james mccartan et al. The thought that we have handed over the development of our senior team and the integration of our successful minor & u21 teams to this man turns my stomach.
Duffleking your a first class gobsh*te. Unless you know the man personally i dont think your in a great position to judge what he personally thinks of Armagh. Is there something wrong with him expressing (if he even did) the OPINION that Armagh were finished and wouldnt be back for a long time. And whoever told you about the red n Black blood thing and eulogising about past players was also completely wrong. It turns my stomach to read such vile comments and pure sh*te from some posters on here. be mad at your county board, be mad at your sponsors, be mad at each other, but Paddy O Rourke is a decent gale with a fine background only trying to do the best he can. Hang him and abuse him if he fails miserably but ffs give the man a chance to prove himself. Get over yourselves.
So your saying he is full of wind?
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on October 06, 2009, 11:13:19 AM
Posted by: DuffleKing
1 - o'rourke is the most bitter anti armagh man you could ever meet.
he traded on being the big armagh hater in down for years. i vividly remember his tv interview circa early 2004 claiming armagh were finished and wouldn't be back for a long time. his supposed "motivational skills" are based entirely on monologues surrounding the subjects of red and black blood running through veins, glorifying the history of the down jersey and eulogising sean o'neill, james mccartan et al. The thought that we have handed over the development of our senior team and the integration of our successful minor & u21 teams to this man turns my stomach.
Duffleking your a first class gobsh*te. Unless you know the man personally i dont think your in a great position to judge what he personally thinks of Armagh. Is there something wrong with him expressing (if he even did) the OPINION that Armagh were finished and wouldnt be back for a long time. And whoever told you about the red n Black blood thing and eulogising about past players was also completely wrong. It turns my stomach to read such vile comments and pure sh*te from some posters on here. be mad at your county board, be mad at your sponsors, be mad at each other, but Paddy O Rourke is a decent gale with a fine background only trying to do the best he can. Hang him and abuse him if he fails miserably but ffs give the man a chance to prove himself. Get over yourselves.
His sources of motivation come directly from down players so bring it up with them. would he have lied to the players in down dressing rooms? these are the same down players who don't rate the man as a manager. being a great player and the respect that goes with it does not demand respect as a manager, that has to be earned.
he is a down gael with a down background. that earns him respect in general terms but it means nothing when he comes to armagh in my view.
also, this "doing the best he can" crap - don't talk shite. he's feathering his own nest. he's not coming to armagh for the good of armagh football. he's here because he thinks he can further his own agenda.
Paddy O'Rourke has a very good record at club management level, he won a couple of Down championships managing Burren and nearly an ulster title, then took on the Castleblaney job and won 4 or 5 county titles with them and took the scalp of Crossmaglen in the Ulster championship which is more than most managers in Armagh. His record with Down was poor, in saying that they could have won an Ulster Championship in 2003, when they played the 2nd 1/2 of the ulster final with 14 men and Peter Canavan won a dubious penalty to get a draw. After that it did not work out. He also took Down under 21's to an All Ireland final. I'm not saying it will work out with Armagh but his club management record is better than most.
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 06, 2009, 11:19:29 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on October 06, 2009, 11:13:19 AM
Posted by: DuffleKing
1 - o'rourke is the most bitter anti armagh man you could ever meet.
he traded on being the big armagh hater in down for years. i vividly remember his tv interview circa early 2004 claiming armagh were finished and wouldn't be back for a long time. his supposed "motivational skills" are based entirely on monologues surrounding the subjects of red and black blood running through veins, glorifying the history of the down jersey and eulogising sean o'neill, james mccartan et al. The thought that we have handed over the development of our senior team and the integration of our successful minor & u21 teams to this man turns my stomach.
Duffleking your a first class gobsh*te. Unless you know the man personally i dont think your in a great position to judge what he personally thinks of Armagh. Is there something wrong with him expressing (if he even did) the OPINION that Armagh were finished and wouldnt be back for a long time. And whoever told you about the red n Black blood thing and eulogising about past players was also completely wrong. It turns my stomach to read such vile comments and pure sh*te from some posters on here. be mad at your county board, be mad at your sponsors, be mad at each other, but Paddy O Rourke is a decent gale with a fine background only trying to do the best he can. Hang him and abuse him if he fails miserably but ffs give the man a chance to prove himself. Get over yourselves.
His sources of motivation come directly from down players so bring it up with them. would he have lied to the players in down dressing rooms? these are the same down players who don't rate the man as a manager. being a great player and the respect that goes with it does not demand respect as a manager, that has to be earned.
he is a down gael with a down background. that earns him respect in general terms but it means nothing when he comes to armagh in my view.
also, this "doing the best he can" crap - don't talk shite. he's feathering his own nest. he's not coming to armagh for the good of armagh football. he's here because he thinks he can further his own agenda.
And what would that be? Do we have a cospiracy theory evolving here.? ::)
Quote from: Maiden1 on October 06, 2009, 11:49:20 AM
Paddy O'Rourke has a very good record at club management level, he won a couple of Down championships managing Burren and nearly an ulster title, then took on the Castleblaney job and won 4 or 5 county titles with them and took the scalp of Crossmaglen in the Ulster championship which is more than most managers in Armagh. His record with Down was poor, in saying that they could have won an Ulster Championship in 2003, when they played the 2nd 1/2 of the ulster final with 14 men and Peter Canavan won a dubious penalty to get a draw. After that it did not work out. He also took Down under 21's to an All Ireland final. I'm not saying it will work out with Armagh but his club management record is better than most.
Thats all fair and well if he was taking a club management position, but he is taking a county & his county management record doesnt read the best :-\
duffleking your vitriol towards POR is unfounded, we are all gaels here, ffs its a sport nothing else, my brother is anti down yet would be over the moon if his son was on the down developement squad, greg blaney was anti armagh yet his dad played and won a medal with us,
get over it, i remember 91 & 94 when down won sam, there were many armagh guys shouting for down those days including myself
POR is our manager and will do the best he can, we have to realise that we have a poor enough squad at presentwith some of our " senior guys" like, toner, vernon, donaghy, only youngsters, we are a good 4 years away from making a challenge
Quote from: norabeag on October 06, 2009, 11:59:26 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 06, 2009, 11:19:29 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on October 06, 2009, 11:13:19 AM
Posted by: DuffleKing
1 - o'rourke is the most bitter anti armagh man you could ever meet.
he traded on being the big armagh hater in down for years. i vividly remember his tv interview circa early 2004 claiming armagh were finished and wouldn't be back for a long time. his supposed "motivational skills" are based entirely on monologues surrounding the subjects of red and black blood running through veins, glorifying the history of the down jersey and eulogising sean o'neill, james mccartan et al. The thought that we have handed over the development of our senior team and the integration of our successful minor & u21 teams to this man turns my stomach.
Duffleking your a first class gobsh*te. Unless you know the man personally i dont think your in a great position to judge what he personally thinks of Armagh. Is there something wrong with him expressing (if he even did) the OPINION that Armagh were finished and wouldnt be back for a long time. And whoever told you about the red n Black blood thing and eulogising about past players was also completely wrong. It turns my stomach to read such vile comments and pure sh*te from some posters on here. be mad at your county board, be mad at your sponsors, be mad at each other, but Paddy O Rourke is a decent gale with a fine background only trying to do the best he can. Hang him and abuse him if he fails miserably but ffs give the man a chance to prove himself. Get over yourselves.
His sources of motivation come directly from down players so bring it up with them. would he have lied to the players in down dressing rooms? these are the same down players who don't rate the man as a manager. being a great player and the respect that goes with it does not demand respect as a manager, that has to be earned.
he is a down gael with a down background. that earns him respect in general terms but it means nothing when he comes to armagh in my view.
also, this "doing the best he can" crap - don't talk shite. he's feathering his own nest. he's not coming to armagh for the good of armagh football. he's here because he thinks he can further his own agenda.
And what would that be? Do we have a cospiracy theory evolving here.? ::)
I simply meant for his own credability, considering the ridicule that he is held in within down.
he probably couldn't believe his luck being offered a job with the potential that armagh have given his own record.
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 06, 2009, 12:20:52 PM
Quote from: norabeag on October 06, 2009, 11:59:26 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 06, 2009, 11:19:29 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on October 06, 2009, 11:13:19 AM
Posted by: DuffleKing
1 - o'rourke is the most bitter anti armagh man you could ever meet.
he traded on being the big armagh hater in down for years. i vividly remember his tv interview circa early 2004 claiming armagh were finished and wouldn't be back for a long time. his supposed "motivational skills" are based entirely on monologues surrounding the subjects of red and black blood running through veins, glorifying the history of the down jersey and eulogising sean o'neill, james mccartan et al. The thought that we have handed over the development of our senior team and the integration of our successful minor & u21 teams to this man turns my stomach.
Duffleking your a first class gobsh*te. Unless you know the man personally i dont think your in a great position to judge what he personally thinks of Armagh. Is there something wrong with him expressing (if he even did) the OPINION that Armagh were finished and wouldnt be back for a long time. And whoever told you about the red n Black blood thing and eulogising about past players was also completely wrong. It turns my stomach to read such vile comments and pure sh*te from some posters on here. be mad at your county board, be mad at your sponsors, be mad at each other, but Paddy O Rourke is a decent gale with a fine background only trying to do the best he can. Hang him and abuse him if he fails miserably but ffs give the man a chance to prove himself. Get over yourselves.
His sources of motivation come directly from down players so bring it up with them. would he have lied to the players in down dressing rooms? these are the same down players who don't rate the man as a manager. being a great player and the respect that goes with it does not demand respect as a manager, that has to be earned.
he is a down gael with a down background. that earns him respect in general terms but it means nothing when he comes to armagh in my view.
also, this "doing the best he can" crap - don't talk shite. he's feathering his own nest. he's not coming to armagh for the good of armagh football. he's here because he thinks he can further his own agenda.
And what would that be? Do we have a cospiracy theory evolving here.? ::)
I simply meant for his own credability, considering the ridicule that he is held in within down.
he probably couldn't believe his luck being offered a job with the potential that armagh have given his own record.
If anything he is taking over Armagh in a similar position to Down where when he got the down job. i.e. A lot of the legends have retired and he has to start building again. It won't be an easy job.
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 06, 2009, 12:20:52 PM
Quote from: norabeag on October 06, 2009, 11:59:26 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 06, 2009, 11:19:29 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on October 06, 2009, 11:13:19 AM
Posted by: DuffleKing
1 - o'rourke is the most bitter anti armagh man you could ever meet.
he traded on being the big armagh hater in down for years. i vividly remember his tv interview circa early 2004 claiming armagh were finished and wouldn't be back for a long time. his supposed "motivational skills" are based entirely on monologues surrounding the subjects of red and black blood running through veins, glorifying the history of the down jersey and eulogising sean o'neill, james mccartan et al. The thought that we have handed over the development of our senior team and the integration of our successful minor & u21 teams to this man turns my stomach.
Duffleking your a first class gobsh*te. Unless you know the man personally i dont think your in a great position to judge what he personally thinks of Armagh. Is there something wrong with him expressing (if he even did) the OPINION that Armagh were finished and wouldnt be back for a long time. And whoever told you about the red n Black blood thing and eulogising about past players was also completely wrong. It turns my stomach to read such vile comments and pure sh*te from some posters on here. be mad at your county board, be mad at your sponsors, be mad at each other, but Paddy O Rourke is a decent gale with a fine background only trying to do the best he can. Hang him and abuse him if he fails miserably but ffs give the man a chance to prove himself. Get over yourselves.
His sources of motivation come directly from down players so bring it up with them. would he have lied to the players in down dressing rooms? these are the same down players who don't rate the man as a manager. being a great player and the respect that goes with it does not demand respect as a manager, that has to be earned.
he is a down gael with a down background. that earns him respect in general terms but it means nothing when he comes to armagh in my view.
also, this "doing the best he can" crap - don't talk shite. he's feathering his own nest. he's not coming to armagh for the good of armagh football. he's here because he thinks he can further his own agenda.
And what would that be? Do we have a cospiracy theory evolving here.? ::)
I simply meant for his own credability, considering the ridicule that he is held in within down.
he probably couldn't believe his luck being offered a job with the potential that armagh have given his own record.
Delusionary in the extreme. What is this potential based on?
Recent underage success is no better than some of the other Ulster counties
Quote from: norabeag on October 06, 2009, 12:31:14 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 06, 2009, 12:20:52 PM
Quote from: norabeag on October 06, 2009, 11:59:26 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 06, 2009, 11:19:29 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on October 06, 2009, 11:13:19 AM
Posted by: DuffleKing
1 - o'rourke is the most bitter anti armagh man you could ever meet.
he traded on being the big armagh hater in down for years. i vividly remember his tv interview circa early 2004 claiming armagh were finished and wouldn't be back for a long time. his supposed "motivational skills" are based entirely on monologues surrounding the subjects of red and black blood running through veins, glorifying the history of the down jersey and eulogising sean o'neill, james mccartan et al. The thought that we have handed over the development of our senior team and the integration of our successful minor & u21 teams to this man turns my stomach.
Duffleking your a first class gobsh*te. Unless you know the man personally i dont think your in a great position to judge what he personally thinks of Armagh. Is there something wrong with him expressing (if he even did) the OPINION that Armagh were finished and wouldnt be back for a long time. And whoever told you about the red n Black blood thing and eulogising about past players was also completely wrong. It turns my stomach to read such vile comments and pure sh*te from some posters on here. be mad at your county board, be mad at your sponsors, be mad at each other, but Paddy O Rourke is a decent gale with a fine background only trying to do the best he can. Hang him and abuse him if he fails miserably but ffs give the man a chance to prove himself. Get over yourselves.
His sources of motivation come directly from down players so bring it up with them. would he have lied to the players in down dressing rooms? these are the same down players who don't rate the man as a manager. being a great player and the respect that goes with it does not demand respect as a manager, that has to be earned.
he is a down gael with a down background. that earns him respect in general terms but it means nothing when he comes to armagh in my view.
also, this "doing the best he can" crap - don't talk shite. he's feathering his own nest. he's not coming to armagh for the good of armagh football. he's here because he thinks he can further his own agenda.
And what would that be? Do we have a cospiracy theory evolving here.? ::)
I simply meant for his own credability, considering the ridicule that he is held in within down.
he probably couldn't believe his luck being offered a job with the potential that armagh have given his own record.
Delusionary in the extreme. What is this potential based on?
Recent underage success is no better than some of the other Ulster counties
In the history of Armagh football we've never been as consistently competitive at underage level. If we aren't optimistic about our potential now, we'll never be. The 2002 team was build on weaker foundations.
Quote from: norabeag on October 06, 2009, 12:31:14 PM
Delusionary in the extreme. What is this potential based on?
Recent underage success is no better than some of the other Ulster counties
well my conjecture would be that there is tremendous potential in Armagh right now, never mind 2/3 years time. In mallon, donaghy, toner and McKeever we have 4 defenders at the very highest level. we have little more than potential at midfield but plenty of it in vernon, toner, o'neill and mckenna.
up front we have the best full forward in ireland in ronan clarke and another dangerous operator in Steven McDonnell.
Add to that the ball winning and work rate of martin o'rourke, running and football of aaron kernan and Kevin dyas to come back in.
that's 12 top quality operators before we even look at new blood.
Quote from: Maiden1 on October 06, 2009, 12:28:04 PM
If anything he is taking over Armagh in a similar position to Down where when he got the down job. i.e. A lot of the legends have retired and he has to start building again. It won't be an easy job.
How'd he get on last time?
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 06, 2009, 12:44:20 PM
Quote from: norabeag on October 06, 2009, 12:31:14 PM
Delusionary in the extreme. What is this potential based on?
Recent underage success is no better than some of the other Ulster counties
well my conjecture would be that there is tremendous potential in Armagh right now, never mind 2/3 years time. In mallon, donaghy, toner and McKeever we have 4 defenders at the very highest level. we have little more than potential at midfield but plenty of it in vernon, toner, o'neill and mckenna.
up front we have the best full forward in ireland in ronan clarke and another dangerous operator in Steven McDonnell.
Add to that the ball winning and work rate of martin o'rourke, running and football of aaron kernan and Kevin dyas to come back in.
that's 12 top quality operators before we even look at new blood.
Quote from: Maiden1 on October 06, 2009, 12:28:04 PM
If anything he is taking over Armagh in a similar position to Down where when he got the down job. i.e. A lot of the legends have retired and he has to start building again. It won't be an easy job.
How'd he get on last time?
you were going rightly there until you mentioned MOR. Surely he wont be playing any further role for Armagh.
well i don't know, i suppose that's for POR to decide. Despite the simplistic game analysis on oc i would consider martin o'rourke central to armagh. not great games against tyrone and monaghan but probably armagh's best player in the league last year. seeing players roles and value to the team is always arbitrary i suppose.
According to Duffleking, he can `vividly remember his (Paddy O'Rourke's) tv interview circa early 2004 claiming Armagh were finished and wouldn't be back for a long time.' Paddy actually talked about Armagh, who were then the AI champions, when he was appointed as Down manager in the Autumn of 2002. He paid tribute to their achievement, and said that, as he had found as a player, when you are at the top, there is only one way you can go, and hoped that Down might pass Armagh on the way up during his term of office. He obviously never achieved that aim, but we might as well quote him accurately.
Duffleking, I was lead to believe there was inital player support for Paddy's appointment. If that's true does it make any difference to your thinking?
O'Rourke nod reveals chaos in the Orchard
By Colm Keys
Tuesday October 06 2009
Every year at about this time, at least one county seems to implode during the process of selecting a new manager.
In 2008 Donegal and Meath held that honour while 12 months earlier the Cork County Board's attempts to install Ted Holland ran badly aground.
Sometimes, however, the result of a flawed and error-strewn process can work out favourably. Donegal and Meath weren't looking back in anger too much to winters of discontent in early August about the installation of John Joe Doherty and Eamonn O'Brien respectively as both counties reached the All-Ireland quarter-finals.
This year the self-implosion garland rests solely around the necks of Armagh. Who'd have thought that?
A county that was once served by such a strong omerta, that detecting a slight hamstring strain in their ranks was a near impossibility, has really gone and got itself in a spin.
Last Friday night's announcement that Paddy O'Rourke would be their new manager after a controversial couple of months was, to say the least, a bombshell. So much so that it set people thinking that it was some mistake, perhaps Aidan O'Rourke was making the leap or even his brother Cathal.
But Paddy O'Rourke, captain of neighbouring Down in the 1991 All-Ireland final? Surely not.
How has it come to this? How has a county which has won three All-Ireland titles across three different grades in the decade, taken seven of the last 11 Ulster senior titles and had so much club success had to peer out over its boundaries to find a new manager?
This is not a slight on O'Rourke or his management capabilities in any way. That being said, his time with Down (2003 to '06) wasn't wholly memorable.
The image of O'Rourke tying his shoelaces and lifting his head in a deserted Down dressing-room in Clones after their 2003 Ulster final replay mauling to Tyrone to tell journalists that there would be "no words today, no words" reflected the pain he felt that day. They had led the drawn game by nine points at one stage but now had now lost the replay by 19.
For the next three years, Down were no more that mediocre, a mid-table entity on any roll of honour. In fairness to O'Rourke, his successors and former playing colleagues Ross Carr and DJ Kane weren't able to advance them much further over the next three years.
Over the weekend, as Armagh people were digesting the news that they had turned to a rival county, their export business was shown to be thriving.
Joe Kernan was perched at the front of the stand with his new selectors on one side of him running the rule over a disappointing Galway final. In Kildare, Kieran McGeeney took in the senior championship semi-finals while still musing over the best way of replacing Paul Grimley, his former assistant.
Last week, Grimley helped to orchestrate Clontibret's third Monaghan county title in four years and, from the podium, the winning captain Vinny Corey belted out high praise and best wishes for the incoming assistant coach.
The triumvirate that did so much to shape the county's landmark success in 2002 will be plying their trade in three different provinces next season.
Stumbled
From Peter McDonnell's vague departure statement in July to Grimley's break for Monaghan as his deadline for guarantees he sought passed, Armagh has stumbled from one crisis to another.
Grimley was effectively the communal choice of the clubs and the players alike. How was he allowed to get away? When he did there was no way back. He had given Seamus McEnaney his word.
The problem now clearly lies in the failure to appoint him two years earlier when McGeeney would have been made his assistant. The future would have been locked down for years.
Kernan may well have harboured ambitions to get back to managing the county but, in his own words, he was being "blamed for everything" and decided it was best to cut ties.
Beneath this trio there were any amount of options from within. Peter Rafferty managed the All-Ireland U-21 winning team in 2004, John Rafferty had success with St Gall's in Antrim and was brought on board by Kernan in 2007 but neither man, it appears, was interested. Brian McAlinden, favourite after Grimley, kept a wide berth too.
Donal Murtagh and Michael McConville, two of Crossmaglen's most recent architects, and Jim McConville, another who made the shortlist were either overlooked or steered clear.
Other more seasoned Armagh players of the past didn't stick their hands up during a rocky few months and so Paddy O'Rourke holds the reins after the appointment committee decided not to look beyond their original five-man list.
Even he would admit the appointment and initial approach to test his interest ranks as a bolt from the blue.
O'Rourke won't concern himself too much with how he got there. It's next part of the journey that matters most and in time he may win over the many sceptics. That's his great challenge.
But right now the legacy Armagh created for themselves in the early part of this decade looks to have fragmented. That impregnable cloak of armour they once donned to do business has been well and truly pierced.
- Colm Keys
Irish Independent
it is another joke by our county board they didnt even arrange an interview with donal murtagh, neil smith, or even approach pete mc grath which was confirmed at the meeting last friday nite. looks like someone strongly influenced the process to get paddy. ???
I am genuinely surprised that very few, if any Down people seem to have a problem with POR taking the Armagh job. Personally speaking I would be disgusted if an Armagh man crossed the divide to take up the mantle in Down. However maybe this says more about POR's track record as a manager than the Down supporters lack of concern for O'Rourkes disloyalty.
Quote from: yellowcard on October 06, 2009, 04:12:29 PM
I am genuinely surprised that very few, if any Down people seem to have a problem with POR taking the Armagh job.
Sure didn't the Down County Board organise it! :D
We dont need the Down co board screwing us up - well capable of doing that ourselves
Well Monaghan seem to be able to dictate the odds to Armagh folk so why not Down.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 06, 2009, 11:09:46 AM
Of course, anything for the Armagh lads ;)...
Murtagh made to feel cold by calls
By Paddy Heaney
Donal Murtagh has revealed how he went from being the number one candidate for the vacant post of Armagh manager to being left out in the cold.
And by outlining his short discussions with an unnamed individual, Murtagh has also shed some light on the events which led to Paddy O'Rourke being appointed as the new boss.
Murtagh's descent from top contender to non-runner took just "three short phone calls".
He said: "On the first call, they told me that I was one of the few men who was nominated.
"They said they might have to talk to one other candidate, and that they might go and source another candidate. I understood that. That was no problem with me whatsoever."
For the next phone call, Murtagh was asked if he would be prepared to work as assistant to another unnamed manager.
"They asked me if I might want to work with another man. I said it was difficult to say, as I didn't know who the person was," he said.
"They could force me on him, or him on me and we mightn't be compatible.
"I said I couldn't work with the man until I knew who the man was. They weren't willing to say who the man was. But I did say it was a possibility."
By the next call, Murtagh was informed that he'd been demoted and was no longer the leading candidate.
"I was told that I wasn't the number one choice any more. I was told I was a very strong number two to this man, but they wouldn't say who the man was."
After that third call, Murtagh didn't receive any more contact from the representative of the county board.
"The next thing I heard on the news was that Paddy O'Rourke got the job. That's the exact contact that I had with them," he said.
While keen not to criticise the appointment of Paddy O'Rourke, Murtagh did express some misgivings about the selection process.
"The committee obviously felt he was the best man for the job. Only time will tell.
"He [Paddy O'Rourke] has obviously managed a county team before and he was a born winner as a player.
"Obviously I hadn't managed or played anything worth talking about at county level. Maybe, that went against me. I don't know. Who knows what goes on?" said the Cross manager.
He added: "Obviously I was the most qualified man in Armagh going for the job. Joe Kernan is the only man with a better record than me, and Joe is obviously not available.
"I have won three Armagh, three Ulster, and one All-Ireland in four years, so we didn't do too bad.
"I was nominated for the position, but I didn't get an interview. I think Neil Smyth was in the same boat. He was nominated but neither of us got interviews.
"Neil busted a gut for Armagh for years. I think the least we deserved was an interview, never mind three short phone calls. But these things never seem to be done right."
This can't make for good reading from the county board's point of view? Surely if they've half an ounce they're bound to be stung by this? One candidate with a gripe (i.e. Grimley) is one thing but now this. Becoming a bit of a trend.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 06, 2009, 11:09:46 AM
Of course, anything for the Armagh lads ;)...
Murtagh made to feel cold by calls
By Paddy Heaney
Donal Murtagh has revealed how he went from being the number one candidate for the vacant post of Armagh manager to being left out in the cold.
And by outlining his short discussions with an unnamed individual, Murtagh has also shed some light on the events which led to Paddy O'Rourke being appointed as the new boss.
Murtagh's descent from top contender to non-runner took just "three short phone calls".
He said: "On the first call, they told me that I was one of the few men who was nominated.
"They said they might have to talk to one other candidate, and that they might go and source another candidate. I understood that. That was no problem with me whatsoever."
For the next phone call, Murtagh was asked if he would be prepared to work as assistant to another unnamed manager.
"They asked me if I might want to work with another man. I said it was difficult to say, as I didn't know who the person was," he said.
"They could force me on him, or him on me and we mightn't be compatible.
"I said I couldn't work with the man until I knew who the man was. They weren't willing to say who the man was. But I did say it was a possibility."
By the next call, Murtagh was informed that he'd been demoted and was no longer the leading candidate.
"I was told that I wasn't the number one choice any more. I was told I was a very strong number two to this man, but they wouldn't say who the man was."
After that third call, Murtagh didn't receive any more contact from the representative of the county board.
"The next thing I heard on the news was that Paddy O'Rourke got the job. That's the exact contact that I had with them," he said.
While keen not to criticise the appointment of Paddy O'Rourke, Murtagh did express some misgivings about the selection process.
"The committee obviously felt he was the best man for the job. Only time will tell.
"He [Paddy O'Rourke] has obviously managed a county team before and he was a born winner as a player.
"Obviously I hadn't managed or played anything worth talking about at county level. Maybe, that went against me. I don't know. Who knows what goes on?" said the Cross manager.
He added: "Obviously I was the most qualified man in Armagh going for the job. Joe Kernan is the only man with a better record than me, and Joe is obviously not available.
"I have won three Armagh, three Ulster, and one All-Ireland in four years, so we didn't do too bad.
"I was nominated for the position, but I didn't get an interview. I think Neil Smyth was in the same boat. He was nominated but neither of us got interviews.
"Neil busted a gut for Armagh for years. I think the least we deserved was an interview, never mind three short phone calls. But these things never seem to be done right."
I dont even have words, they're a f**king disgrace.
Not interviewing murtagh (fair play to him for speaking out btw) is bad enough but not interviewing Neil Smyth, one of the club's nominated men, is unforgiveable. I know most of us wouldnt have been mad about Smyth due to his inexperience but give the man the courtesy of an interview ffs!
What the f**k was the point in asking for nominations from the clubs when they were ignored?
Btw, how many were interviewed?
and how many exactly where asked to be assistant/would they be interested because I've heard of a few now.
Colm Keys article and Murtagh interview are fairly reflective of the mood in the County I'd say.
BUt looks lke we are where we are. Any word on assistants, etc
They've gone through a lot of names at this stage and are struggling to get anyone to go in with him
Thats what I was thinking. If they could get a couple of guys, it might make things look a bit better.
Woner would the likes of Peter Rafferty or Aiden O'Rourke be interested
I tackled two prominent Co Board officials, both of whom I know very well, at the Athletic Grounds on Sunday last about the appointment but neither would engage me; they know they've f><ked up big time.
I'd say O'Rourke is going to find it difficult to get people from Armagh in as his backroom team. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up bringing someone else in from Down.
As supporters there's no point in just bitching about it...people need to make their club delegates know that serious questions have to be asked at the next county convention and if need be a vote of no confidence. There's no way on earth Kevin Brady should stay in post after this. If he has anything about him at all he'll walk away. This has all happened on his watch.
The thing that irks the most is that the same behaviour is being repeated time and time again. That suggests that those in charge are either too stupid to learn from their previous mistakes or have a serious lack of humility about them. An All-Ireland club winning manager in our own county and he isn't deemed worthy of an interview. Very strange.
I would say a lot of supporters were willing to cut the board some slack after the initial Grimley saga 2 years back. They even got a lot of support after Grimley's flight to Monaghan, but they quickly managed to drop that ball as well. But the latest twist has done it for me. The problem in all of this is that if (or more likely when) the team underperform under Paddy O'Rourke and either he leaves or is pushed out, who are they going to turn to then. The county board have managed to piss off just about every viable short-to-medium term future candidate from within the county. That is some feat by anyone's standards. The only grain of hope for the future is that the faces at the top will change and get a fresh start.
How do you quantify if the team under-performs?
Quote from: pintsofguinness on October 06, 2009, 06:44:55 PM
Btw, how many were interviewed?
and how many exactly where asked to be assistant/would they be interested because I've heard of a few now.
Doesn't seem like anyone was actually properly interviewed in the end. O'Rourke seems to have been railroaded in on the back of the support of a couple of influential figures, and the club reps given little option but to go along with it.
The shady backroom dealings and cliques at work are sickening.
I can't see many decent backroom options wanting to be associated with this mess, God knows who we'll end up with. Maybe Hughie will fancy a go at it himself ::)
Who told Donal he was no1? Was this set up outside the selection panel & could they have been just a smokescreen? it looks to high heaven like other influences. Mistakes have been made but we are where we areand it looks like bite thebullet tme and get the support behind the team Personal agendaslike armamikes should not come into thios - does anyone think Paul Dugan would be a party to underhand stuff? Support should be for any players anArmagh manager puts on the pitch-we have all bitched in thepast about team selections no ,matter who made them -give this fela a chance - we have nothing to lose atthis stage. the orange jersey is what is important,not who fills it
Quote from: Armamike on October 06, 2009, 05:58:12 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 06, 2009, 11:09:46 AM
Of course, anything for the Armagh lads ;)...
Murtagh made to feel cold by calls
By Paddy Heaney
Donal Murtagh has revealed how he went from being the number one candidate for the vacant post of Armagh manager to being left out in the cold.
And by outlining his short discussions with an unnamed individual, Murtagh has also shed some light on the events which led to Paddy O'Rourke being appointed as the new boss.
Murtagh's descent from top contender to non-runner took just "three short phone calls".
He said: "On the first call, they told me that I was one of the few men who was nominated.
"They said they might have to talk to one other candidate, and that they might go and source another candidate. I understood that. That was no problem with me whatsoever."
For the next phone call, Murtagh was asked if he would be prepared to work as assistant to another unnamed manager.
"They asked me if I might want to work with another man. I said it was difficult to say, as I didn't know who the person was," he said.
"They could force me on him, or him on me and we mightn't be compatible.
"I said I couldn't work with the man until I knew who the man was. They weren't willing to say who the man was. But I did say it was a possibility."
By the next call, Murtagh was informed that he'd been demoted and was no longer the leading candidate.
"I was told that I wasn't the number one choice any more. I was told I was a very strong number two to this man, but they wouldn't say who the man was."
After that third call, Murtagh didn't receive any more contact from the representative of the county board.
"The next thing I heard on the news was that Paddy O'Rourke got the job. That's the exact contact that I had with them," he said.
While keen not to criticise the appointment of Paddy O'Rourke, Murtagh did express some misgivings about the selection process.
"The committee obviously felt he was the best man for the job. Only time will tell.
"He [Paddy O'Rourke] has obviously managed a county team before and he was a born winner as a player.
"Obviously I hadn't managed or played anything worth talking about at county level. Maybe, that went against me. I don't know. Who knows what goes on?" said the Cross manager.
He added: "Obviously I was the most qualified man in Armagh going for the job. Joe Kernan is the only man with a better record than me, and Joe is obviously not available.
"I have won three Armagh, three Ulster, and one All-Ireland in four years, so we didn't do too bad.
"I was nominated for the position, but I didn't get an interview. I think Neil Smyth was in the same boat. He was nominated but neither of us got interviews.
"Neil busted a gut for Armagh for years. I think the least we deserved was an interview, never mind three short phone calls. But these things never seem to be done right."
This can't make for good reading from the county board's point of view? Surely if they've half an ounce they're bound to be stung by this? One candidate with a gripe (i.e. Grimley) is one thing but now this. Becoming a bit of a trend.
This really gives lie to the claims, particularly on orchardcounty that Paddy O'Rourke was our only option and that nobody within the county wanted the job. That Donal Murtagh, the man who should have been appointed, wasn't even interviewed is another damning indictment on the whole process.
Has Murtagh not stated in numerous media interviews over the last few weeks since Cross were beaten that he would be staying on as Cross manager next season ?
It appears to me he's got his own agenda here.
Murtagh resigned his position at crossmaglen to have a clear run at the armagh job.
i distinctly remember reading two articles where he clearly expressed his interest in the job.
Benny Tierney claims in his column this morning that niall smyth twice appempted to withdraw his name from the process but was convinced to remain because he was a good candidate. then he doesn't even get an interview?
the hits just keep on coming.
Donal wanted the job simple as that and was the best candidate. I hope POR does a good job but I think in so many ways the CB have messed up. Outside of the PR disaster of the shambles of how the appointment was made, outside of the fact that a man from one of our most bitterest rivals over the years was given the job, outside of the fact that there were very capable candidates in for the job, outside of the fact that he has a tarnished reputation when it comes to training teams, the simple fact is that I cannot see how he will have the respect of the players over the a season.
This is a young Armagh squad now with all the older heads bar McDonnell and Clarke gone. There are no real leaders the way McGrnae, McGeeney, the Macs, Marsden, Oisin etc were and therefore they needed a strong manager to guide them through what will be a difficult few years as they get themselves re-established as a challenger. My feelings are that if the likes of Donal was involved he would be a success at this and then the county boards hands would be tied a few years down the line as I firmly believe they want to get McGeeney back. I have no issue with that but if that is the agenda about how they are picking a manager, I see it as disgraceful. Time may prove me wrong and I will support the management no matter what. I just think he is not up to bringing Armagh forward in the next 2-3 years.
Who decided that Paddy O'Rourke would be a better manager than Donal Murtagh?
It seems very odd. Would Murtagh not have a superior CV in comparasion to O'Rourke?
Reading through the posts from Armagh it would look that the 'outside influences' that the previous manager was talking about may still be at their work.
Build a bridge and get over it FFS.
Here is Eugene Mc Gee's take on the appointment :
Ulster idea of native loyalty is bit of a joke
By Eugene McGee
Monday October 05 2009
If and when it ever comes to fruition that the All-Ireland football championship is played in a format that has no provincial system -- as has recently been called for with ever-increasing vigour in the GAA -- we can be certain that the leaders of the campaign to preserve the status quo will come from Ulster.
The main reason for that is because all the counties in Ulster enjoy an extremely vigorous rivalry with one another. Some of these have now reached legendary status, such as Tyrone-Derry, Armagh-Down and, of course, Armagh-Tyrone.
Ulster GAA people will reasonably argue that the basis for football's growth in the province over the past 50 years has been fuelled by the ferocious rivalry between the various counties, which in general is far more volatile than in the other three provinces, with a few exceptions such as Meath-Dublin or Kerry-Cork.
Yet when one examines the movements relating to the management of Ulster county teams in recent years, one has to query just how ferocious this rivalry is.
If, as we are led to believe, these contests are more important than life or death itself, why do so many well-known GAA mentors from these counties suddenly jump ship and get involved with one of their arch enemies? You would rarely see a Meathman in the Dublin backroom team, for instance.
The most recent such development took place on Friday night and was one of the most sensational in the history of Ulster football. Paddy O'Rourke, former player, All-Ireland-winning captain and manager of Down, was appointed -- out of the blue -- as Armagh's new manager.
Of all the great local rivalries in Ulster, the longest and most intense over the decades has been Armagh versus Down. The very notion that a Down person, and particularly such a prominent one as O'Rourke, could become manager of Armagh is undoubtedly causing very strong emotions.
The notion of an 'outsider' being in charge of Armagh, rather than an Armagh native, is in itself seen as a retrograde move, but is that really fair? By my reckoning, no less than eight of the nine Ulster counties have, at some stage, had an outsider in charge of their county team -- Donegal, Antrim, Derry, Monaghan, Fermanagh, Cavan, Tyrone and now Armagh.
The present scenario regarding prominent team mentors in Ulster involved with 'other' counties is most interesting. Armagh, for example, have seen Joe Kernan head to Galway and Kieran McGeeney to Kildare as apostles for the Armagh style of football. Both of them were key men in Armagh's only All-Ireland success in 2002.
Kernan's assistant in that 2002 success, Paul Grimley, after being assistant manager with Cavan first and then with McGeeney in Kildare, suddenly found himself as No 2 to Seamus McEnaney in Monaghan when everybody in Armagh expected him to be their next manager.
In Fermanagh last week it was announced that former Derry All-Ireland winner Johnny McBride was to to assist their manager, Malachy O'Rourke. Also in the Monaghan camp is Tyrone native Martin McElkennon, who was once a teaching colleague of Mickey Harte's before joining the Cavan camp and then joining up with McEnaney in Monaghan.
Paddy Tally is a well-known trainer who also worked with Harte when Tyrone won their first All-Ireland, but has since moved on and will now be part of James McCartan's new back-up team in Down.
The Antrim team manager is currently Liam 'Baker' Bradley, who is a Derryman and father of well-known players Paddy and Eoin. Current Derry manager Damien Cassidy was recently part of the Cavan management when Eamonn Coleman -- also a Derryman -- was running the Cavan team. Mickey Moran, who was in charge of Derry with Coleman when they won the All-Ireland in 1993, went on to manage neighbours Donegal.
So where does all that leave the ferocious rivalry which allegedly dominates Ulster football? Is it for real or is it merely the rival followers of the various teams who create this intense rivalry? How can people who are totally immersed for years with one county team, especially their native county, suddenly get intimately involved with their bitter enemies?
Of course, there has been the odd example of this switching of loyalties in the past, but only very rarely and with exceptional people has this happened.
The late Paddy O'Hara from Antrim at some stage in his career worked with nearly every other Ulster county and Gerry Browne from Newry was also successfully involved with a number of other counties.
As in other parts of Ireland, some GAA people might claim that there are other reasons for these switches, but we are all amateurs nowadays -- particularly in Ulster -- so we have to reject any such notions if these mentors are to be called true-blood GAA people.
With all the chopping and changing of mentors in Ulster over the past few years, there must be very few secrets nowadays between the various county teams. Therefore, we can look forward to exceptionally keen clashes between teams that have mentors facing their native counties.
But the great boast of GAA officials about one's native place being the only true fountain and source of GAA inspiration is a bit of a joke when we study present-day backroom teams, not just in Ulster but all over the country.
Native loyalty, how are you?
- Eugene McGee
Irish Independent
Quote from: nearlymad on October 07, 2009, 10:51:49 AM
Quote from: Carbery on October 07, 2009, 10:34:44 AM
Who decided that Paddy O'Rourke would be a better manager than Donal Murtagh?
It seems very odd. Would Murtagh not have a superior CV in comparasion to O'Rourke?
Reading through the posts from Armagh it would look that the 'outside influences' that the previous manager was talking about may still be at their work.
HM and PN are to blame
As an outsider, what or who to the initials HM and PN stand for?
armagh lads will know. for what its worth, only the first is accurate.
guys can we move on--
ANY INFO ON HIS BACKROOM TEAM
i heard a dickybird mentioning a twin--but then was told that the same guy was going to be the next Burren manager,
I'd heard Greg Blaney mentioned...
Frank Mitchell (McLorey) ( Ex Burren) & Stephen Nolan have been touted as well
someone touted on nolan again?
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 07, 2009, 04:29:06 PM
someone touted on nolan again?
Reliable source from the East
QuoteAs an outsider, what or who to the initials HM and PN stand for?
Hughie Morgan and Paddy Nugent by any change?
As HKP would say........... could be!!!!
Quote from: angermanagement on October 07, 2009, 10:13:25 AM
Has Murtagh not stated in numerous media interviews over the last few weeks since Cross were beaten that he would be staying on as Cross manager next season ?
It appears to me he's got his own agenda here.
thought this myself, remember him saying that if some of the more senior players hung up their boots (which they have done) he would stay on and help the younger lads progress. did he resign from Cross or what?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 07, 2009, 10:25:03 AM
Donal wanted the job simple as that and was the best candidate. I hope POR does a good job but I think in so many ways the CB have messed up. Outside of the PR disaster of the shambles of how the appointment was made, outside of the fact that a man from one of our most bitterest rivals over the years was given the job, outside of the fact that there were very capable candidates in for the job, outside of the fact that he has a tarnished reputation when it comes to training teams, the simple fact is that I cannot see how he will have the respect of the players over the a season.
This is a young Armagh squad now with all the older heads bar McDonnell and Clarke gone. There are no real leaders the way McGrnae, McGeeney, the Macs, Marsden, Oisin etc were and therefore they needed a strong manager to guide them through what will be a difficult few years as they get themselves re-established as a challenger. My feelings are that if the likes of Donal was involved he would be a success at this and then the county boards hands would be tied a few years down the line as I firmly believe they want to get McGeeney back. I have no issue with that but if that is the agenda about how they are picking a manager, I see it as disgraceful. Time may prove me wrong and I will support the management no matter what. I just think he is not up to bringing Armagh forward in the next 2-3 years.
It was Stevie from Killeavy whp pimped O'Rourke for this job,he mentioned him to some players and they laughed at him, he mentioned him to some of the board members and they werent thrilled either, he kept hammering away and got some players to agree and apparently they thought he had no chance and yet here we are.
Murtagh would have been a good choice but now that the board have pissed him off as well we shall never know how good he could have been at the next level.
Quote from: naka on October 07, 2009, 12:13:28 PM
guys can we move on--
ANY INFO ON HIS BACKROOM TEAM
i heard a dickybird mentioning a twin--but then was told that the same guy was going to be the next Burren manager,
No we f**king can't move on!
Sure we'll put our heads in the sand, that'll help.
I thought it was very interesting that Mc Alinden didn't want it. Very interesting. Indicates to me there is bigger problems then just the CB. Just who holds the power in Armagh.
Quote from: INDIANA on October 07, 2009, 06:24:56 PM
I thought it was very interesting that Mc Alinden didn't want it. Very interesting. Indicates to me there is bigger problems then just the CB. Just who holds the power in Armagh.
mc alinden didnt want hte job because he wanted to stay with the u-21s there was no agenda
QuoteI thought it was very interesting that Mc Alinden didn't want it
After all there will be some pretty decent players in the U-21 ranks for the next few seasons.
I'd imagine POR is struggling hugely to get a backroom team in place that will go some way to appeasing the Armagh supporters ie. at least one Armagh man of considerable standing. Most of the ex-players won't go near the present set-up now that the treatment of loyal Armagh men like Smith, Rafferty, Murtagh etc has been laid bare for all to see.
For those who think that O'Rourke is keeping the hotseat warm for McGeeney to walk into next year then think again because I doubt if McGeeney would go near the county set-up at the moment in its present structure and who could blame him.
Unfortunately its a case of the tail wagging the dog and the real power will continue to lie with a select few in the county board until such time as the status quo ends with a complete cull. Having spoken to a few players past and present it is definitely the case that this appointment was railroaded through without due consideration to the greater well being of Armagh football and was initiated several weeks ago.
I heard McAlinden wont build another team for someone else to cash in on in a few years time, he wants to be the beneficiary fo someone else's groundwork this time - a sensible position to take.
Have to say I'm glad that Donal Murtagh didn't get it. Always came across as very arrogant to me, his 'we only train half pace' all summer with Cross ballix annoyed me, how can that type of arrogance and lack of respect to the opposition be good in any County manager?(Even though I always thought he was talking shite when he said it).
IF the players buy into O'Rourke he could do ok, but if a lot of them dont show the required attitude etc.. during the McKenna Cup, early part of the National League, I'd chase them no matter who they are and surround himself with players who'll die for the jersey. Another year's bitching and backbiting will do no one any good.
Quote from: bennydorano on October 07, 2009, 08:21:42 PM
I heard McAlinden wont build another team for someone else to cash in on in a few years time, he wants to be the beneficiary fo someone else's groundwork this time - a sensible position to take.
Have to say I'm glad that Donal Murtagh didn't get it. Always came across as very arrogant to me, his 'we only train half pace' all summer with Cross ballix annoyed me, how can that type of arrogance and lack of respect to the opposition be good in any County manager?(Even though I always thought he was talking shite when he said it).
IF the players buy into O'Rourke he could do ok, but if a lot of them dont show the required attitude etc.. during the McKenna Cup, early part of the National League, I'd chase them no matter who they are and surround himself with players who'll die for the jersey. Another year's bitching and backbiting will do no one any good.
From what I've been told by several Down men this was O'Rourkes biggest problem in Down. He got too close to the players and give them too much laissez faire hence the reason the players had nothing but praise for him....however no plaudits are gained in management by making friends with the players. The results at the end of the year will be the true gauge of success or failure.
Quote from: yellowcard on October 07, 2009, 08:19:08 PM
Having spoken to a few players past and present it is definitely the case that this appointment was railroaded through without due consideration to the greater well being of Armagh football and was initiated several weeks ago.
How many weeks is several? Did they have a month to think about railroading it?
Quote from: Zapatista on October 07, 2009, 08:37:25 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on October 07, 2009, 08:19:08 PM
Having spoken to a few players past and present it is definitely the case that this appointment was railroaded through without due consideration to the greater well being of Armagh football and was initiated several weeks ago.
How many weeks is several? Did they have a month to think about railroading it?
Believe it or not, yes.
Quote from: bennydorano on October 07, 2009, 08:21:42 PM
I heard McAlinden wont build another team for someone else to cash in on in a few years time, he wants to be the beneficiary fo someone else's groundwork this time - a sensible position to take.
Have to say I'm glad that Donal Murtagh didn't get it. Always came across as very arrogant to me, his 'we only train half pace' all summer with Cross ballix annoyed me, how can that type of arrogance and lack of respect to the opposition be good in any County manager?(Even though I always thought he was talking shite when he said it).
IF the players buy into O'Rourke he could do ok, but if a lot of them dont show the required attitude etc.. during the McKenna Cup, early part of the National League, I'd chase them no matter who they are and surround himself with players who'll die for the jersey. Another year's bitching and backbiting will do no one any good.
Well that's true Benny, but fact remains he would be in the running, one of the stronger candidates and look how he was treated.
Quote from: naka on October 07, 2009, 07:55:04 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 07, 2009, 06:24:56 PM
I thought it was very interesting that Mc Alinden didn't want it. Very interesting. Indicates to me there is bigger problems then just the CB. Just who holds the power in Armagh.
mc alinden didnt want hte job because he wanted to stay with the u-21s there was no agenda
Don't buy it I'm afraid.
Quote from: fitzroyalty on October 07, 2009, 05:25:24 PM
Quote from: angermanagement on October 07, 2009, 10:13:25 AM
Has Murtagh not stated in numerous media interviews over the last few weeks since Cross were beaten that he would be staying on as Cross manager next season ?
It appears to me he's got his own agenda here.
thought this myself, remember him saying that if some of the more senior players hung up their boots (which they have done) he would stay on and help the younger lads progress. did he resign from Cross or what?
Murtagh's only sin he could be accused of from that is that he was showing a modicum of loyalty to his club. Many's a man has dropped his club in an instant to run to the county. Murtagh is a fairly straight talker, he gives his opinion. That can ruffle some people up the wrong way. Maybe there was no room for a Brian Clough type character around the place.
Quote from: bennydorano on October 07, 2009, 08:21:42 PM
I heard McAlinden wont build another team for someone else to cash in on in a few years time, he wants to be the beneficiary fo someone else's groundwork this time - a sensible position to take.
Have to say I'm glad that Donal Murtagh didn't get it. Always came across as very arrogant to me, his 'we only train half pace' all summer with Cross ballix annoyed me, how can that type of arrogance and lack of respect to the opposition be good in any County manager?(Even though I always thought he was talking shite when he said it).
IF the players buy into O'Rourke he could do ok, but if a lot of them dont show the required attitude etc.. during the McKenna Cup, early part of the National League, I'd chase them no matter who they are and surround himself with players who'll die for the jersey. Another year's bitching and backbiting will do no one any good.
But sure didn't some key players want o Rourke? I don't think thats going to be a problem. appeasing the clubs and fans will be though.
Quote from: oraiste on October 07, 2009, 01:20:23 AM
Who told Donal he was no1? Was this set up outside the selection panel & could they have been just a smokescreen? it looks to high heaven like other influences. Mistakes have been made but we are where we areand it looks like bite thebullet tme and get the support behind the team Personal agendaslike armamikes should not come into thios - does anyone think Paul Dugan would be a party to underhand stuff? Support should be for any players anArmagh manager puts on the pitch-we have all bitched in thepast about team selections no ,matter who made them -give this fela a chance - we have nothing to lose atthis stage. the orange jersey is what is important,not who fills it
No personal agendas from me, just total frustration and anger at the way things have been conducted over the past few months.
What is Hughie Morgan's role?
Quote from: Lecale2 on October 07, 2009, 11:06:44 PM
What is Hughie Morgan's role?
That is a good question
It extends beyond that of sponsor, that much is for certain. The question we all should be asking is; 'WHY is this allowed to continue???'
What is the involvement of Hugh Morgan Eddie hughes and Paul kelly in all of this? they were all with POR last sunday&there seems to be a committee outside of the committee - none of the other selection were there-who IS running this?
Quote from: INDIANA on October 07, 2009, 09:01:12 PM
Quote from: naka on October 07, 2009, 07:55:04 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 07, 2009, 06:24:56 PM
I thought it was very interesting that Mc Alinden didn't want it. Very interesting. Indicates to me there is bigger problems then just the CB. Just who holds the power in Armagh.
mc alinden didnt want hte job because he wanted to stay with the u-21s there was no agenda
Don't buy it I'm afraid.
For what it is worth this is fact - the water is too muddy at the senior level & with the ongoings Brian decided to stick with the u21's for another few years - with the winning minors coming through over the next 2 seasons he believed there is potential for him to breed his own senior team for years to come - somewhat not unlike Mickey Harte's path ........
Quote from: oraiste on October 08, 2009, 01:02:20 AM
What is the involvement of Hugh Morgan Eddie hughes and Paul kelly in all of this? they were all with POR last sunday&there seems to be a committee outside of the committee - none of the other selection were there-who IS running this?
Is Hughie Morgan a selector?
Armagh to unveil new back-up team
The Armagh management committee is making a concerted effort to erase some of the frustration, embarrassment and downright anger occasioned through the process that ultimately saw Paddy O'Rourke appointed as the new football manager.
The committee is planning to call a Press Conference early next week at which it is hoped to parade O'Rourke's entire back-up team — and this could include former Ireland rugby strength and conditioning coach Mike McGurn as well as two new selectors with John Toal and Paul Kelly being mentioned as a possible candidates in this respect.
McGurn, who recently terminated his involvement with the Ospreys rugby club in Wales, and who has been doing some work with the Ballinderry club, has family commitments and although Joe Kernan is very keen to have him on board with him in Galway, the Belfast-based Fermanagh native looks set to throw in his lot with the Orchard County to minimise travel difficulties, particularly over the course of the winter months.
A strong case for having McGurn as part of the Armagh management team was made at Tuesday night's management committee meeting when it was confirmed that he is anxious to secure a five-year tenure in a post working with the development squads and the other teams representing the county up to and including senior level.
This means in essence that McGurn would not necessarily be viewed as a Paddy O'Rourke appointee but would continue to work with whatever management structure is in place between now and 2014.
Ex-Armagh player Toal and former development squad mentor Kelly are in line to be involved but Oisin McConville, having initially been approached by Paul Grimley to serve as a selector when the latter was in the running for the Armagh post, has intimated that he plans to continue his playing career with Crossmaglen Rangers.
Former Down captain O'Rourke has already spelled out to the Armagh management committee in great detail exactly how he plans to drive the county forward and officials are known to be impressed by his enthusiasm and intensity.
O'Rourke's former Down boss Peter McGrath — still feeling the hurt following the manner in which he was treated when he was in the running to succeed Ross Carr as Mourne County manager last month, and further disappointed when he failed to secure the Armagh post — is now a strong candidate for the vacant Louth job, interviews for which will be held over the next 10 days.
The experienced McGrath has recently been coaching the Cooley Kickhams club in Louth which is quite convenient to his Rostrevor home.
www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk
Whatever about John Toal, who I think is a bit inexperienced just yet, I can't for the life of me see what Paul Kelly could bring to the table. What, if any, is his football background?
Quote from: Sandy Hill on October 08, 2009, 11:02:06 AM
Whatever about John Toal, who I think is a bit inexperienced just yet, I can't for the life of me see what Paul Kelly could bring to the table. What, if any, is his football background?
Was waiting for his name to pop up somewhere, Would be thinking along the same lines, he any experience of senior Inter -County management?
We'll have to wait for our resident CB official Oraiste to fill us in?
Quote from: Sandy Hill on October 08, 2009, 11:02:06 AM
I can't for the life of me see what Paul Kelly could bring to the table. What, if any, is his football background?
Maybe you'd like to carry out a little research and rephrase that statement. Try researching County Development squads and successful County Minor teams over the last decade and the underage structure that Armagh has in place.
Paul Kelly has been involved in the Development squads and may be a very useful selector. I like the idea of having McGurn in on a 5 year tenure as he is an excellent fitness coach and if he is a seperate paid employee then he can provide a certain level of continuity(obviously assuming he is successful)
John Toal is an unknown but Keady have improved this year and he has contributed to that. I would like to see someone come in to specifically work with the forwards. Obviously Oisin was the man for that until he pulled back. Maybe Marsden or someone like that.
Have heard Toal was involved but also heard a successfule couty championship winning manager has been approached.
Mc Gurn will get a 5year paid employee stint to redevelop fitness techniques for all the teams
Toal won't be involved. Up until this point, Paul Kelly has been in charge of sourcing people who would serve on the backrrom team.
That'd be another salary to pay if that successful championship winning manager comes on board now. Co board originally baulked at his expenses.
Maybe options are running out and Paul will have to do it himself?
McGurn has a good rep and i'm glad to see someone like him coming in to add a bit of professionalism to the circus.
I'm wondering what happens in a year's time when someone else comes in at senior level and wants their own fitness trainer?
Quote from: Aghdavoyle on October 08, 2009, 12:03:31 PM
McGurn has a good rep and I'm glad to see someone like him coming in to add a bit of professionalism to the circus.
I'm wondering what happens in a year's time when someone else comes in at senior level and wants their own fitness trainer?
I've been reading bits and pieces through the last few months about Mick Mcgurn. Firstly the International rules panel and specifically Sean Cavanagh were raving about him and how advanced and suitable his techniques are to a Gaelic football environment. Also he has a column with a national newspaper (guardian or telegraph) and his articles are very interesting and you get the impression he knows what hes on about. If there is any truth in the idea of him working with all ages of Armagh teams this would be a major major coup. It was only last year i think that the New Zealand rugby union board wanted him as a "performance Director" for fitness and conditioning. This is essentially what he would be doing with Armagh. I wonder what sorta money he would be on?
Also Ive heard from numerous sources that Paul Kelly is a very astute football man but his main strength is his organisational skills with regards to management and getting things in place. He has to take alot of credit for recent underage successes in Armagh as he was the man who got the coaching structures in place years ago. Also he would know almost every young fella coming through the various underage teams better than most in the county so would be a good man to advise O'Rourke. To be honest if O'Rourke got the chop next year and McGurn was signed for 5 years i think any manager would want a man of his rep involved (Big joes after him and he knows a thing or two ;)
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 08, 2009, 11:53:46 AM
Toal won't be involved. Up until this point, Paul Kelly has been in charge of sourcing people who would serve on the backrrom team.
That'd be another salary to pay if that successful championship winning manager comes on board now. Co board originally baulked at his expenses.
Maybe options are running out and Paul will have to do it himself?
Your posts are full of negativity, as well as disrespect and ingratitude towards a helping hand from a county with such a history of success, glamour and class just when you have been spurned by those you thought were your friends and allies
I'm sure there's an english sentance in there somewhere but i take your sentiment. You are right. posting on this subject is even depressing me so i'm going to stop now.
If you are going to comment on someone's english, you should at least get your spelling right.
McGurn trained our gaelic team in Liverpool last week. Seems like a pro who knows his stuff, highly regarded.
At £350 a session he would need to be.
Although you can't train a donkey to win the Grand National. ;D
Quote from: waitingforsam on October 08, 2009, 09:46:52 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 07, 2009, 09:01:12 PM
Quote from: naka on October 07, 2009, 07:55:04 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 07, 2009, 06:24:56 PM
I thought it was very interesting that Mc Alinden didn't want it. Very interesting. Indicates to me there is bigger problems then just the CB. Just who holds the power in Armagh.
mc alinden didnt want hte job because he wanted to stay with the u-21s there was no agenda
Don't buy it I'm afraid.
For what it is worth this is fact - the water is too muddy at the senior level & with the ongoings Brian decided to stick with the u21's for another few years - with the winning minors coming through over the next 2 seasons he believed there is potential for him to breed his own senior team for years to come - somewhat not unlike Mickey Harte's path ........
I actually agree 100% with what you're saying- just coming at it from a different angle. A certain contingent of players seem to have an inordinate amount of say in matters.
Quote from: Bainisteoir on October 08, 2009, 01:09:51 PM
Quote from: Aghdavoyle on October 08, 2009, 12:03:31 PM
McGurn has a good rep and I'm glad to see someone like him coming in to add a bit of professionalism to the circus.
I'm wondering what happens in a year's time when someone else comes in at senior level and wants their own fitness trainer?
I've been reading bits and pieces through the last few months about Mick Mcgurn. Firstly the International rules panel and specifically Sean Cavanagh were raving about him and how advanced and suitable his techniques are to a Gaelic football environment. Also he has a column with a national newspaper (guardian or telegraph) and his articles are very interesting and you get the impression he knows what hes on about. If there is any truth in the idea of him working with all ages of Armagh teams this would be a major major coup. It was only last year i think that the New Zealand rugby union board wanted him as a "performance Director" for fitness and conditioning. This is essentially what he would be doing with Armagh. I wonder what sorta money he would be on?
Also Ive heard from numerous sources that Paul Kelly is a very astute football man but his main strength is his organisational skills with regards to management and getting things in place. He has to take alot of credit for recent underage successes in Armagh as he was the man who got the coaching structures in place years ago. Also he would know almost every young fella coming through the various underage teams better than most in the county so would be a good man to advise O'Rourke. To be honest if O'Rourke got the chop next year and McGurn was signed for 5 years i think any manager would want a man of his rep involved (Big joes after him and he knows a thing or two ;)
Mc Gurn is top drawer. Has a young family and a role with a local Gaa county would suit him at present. also trained Bernard Dunne to a world title recently. That can only be a good move.
As disappointed as many posters on here with POR's appointment but if McGurn joins the set up that would at least have us in great nick (which we weren't this year). Still need a sharp tactician to join as I see POR as a motivator.........
Haven't posted for a few weeks but I must say that the whole thing is/was a farce with the Irish News coverage being tabloid like, gutter journalism......they fuelled the fire in fine style (with the exception of that fella McCoy ;))
Quote from: mackers on October 08, 2009, 09:48:14 PM
As disappointed as many posters on here with POR's appointment but if McGurn joins the set up that would at least have us in great nick (which we weren't this year). Still need a sharp tactician to join as I see POR as a motivator.........
Haven't posted for a few weeks but I must say that the whole thing is/was a farce with the Irish News coverage being tabloid like, gutter journalism......they fuelled the fire in fine style (with the exception of that fella McCoy ;))
That man McCoy is a wan**r and is licking the ass of the Irish News :P
reading the back page of the irish news this mrning it is quite clear that they are using this board as their source for stories
see gealic life have jim mc conville as part of the backroom team with mc corry
Quote from: naka on October 09, 2009, 09:35:44 AM
reading the back page of the irish news this mrning it is quite clear that they are using this board as their source for stories
see gealic life have jim mc conville as part of the backroom team with mc corry
naka, shure you know at least one prominent ex poster is a "journalist" for the News and Heaney and the like use t'internet as their main source of inspiration!
As a long time Armagh fan I've often been very proud of the achievements of our board and very grateful for the service and generousity of Hugh Morgan. While I agree with many here in their sadness (and possibly disgust) at what has happened recently some people here have short memories - and I'd like to see a little more respect when speaking about Hugh.
However I don't justify this decision and the reason I joined was to add my support to the calls for clarity.
I've a lot of questions too ...
For example
- Did Stevie encourage and push POR on HM?
- Why have we a fitness coach employed already (on big money no doubt) and yet no football coach?
- Why has a man got a job with no backroom team in place?
- Why is no one fighting to become a selector?
etc
Todays Irish News:
QuoteARMAGH ace Stevie McDonnell has urged supporters to get behind new manager Paddy O'Rourke and move on from the selection controversy that dogged the county for several weeks. McDonnell confronted several issues that some people may have with O'Rourke's arrival in Armagh, but firmly believes the Down man is the right man for the job.
Opinion is divided in the county while rumours persist that some players remain unhappy with the managerial appointment. O'Rourke is the first outside manager of Armagh since Derryman Gerry O'Neill held the job from 1975 to 1981. John Rafferty, Peter Rafferty, Jim McConville, Brian McAlinden and O'Rourke were the five names the Armagh senior panel submitted to the selection committee. Contrary to popular opinion, all five names submitted received overwhelming support from the 2009 Armagh panel. Sean Boylan and Colm Coyle were briefly mentioned, but weren't included on the list. McDonnell also explained that Donal Murtagh and Neil Smyth's names were not on their list because the two men already had declared their interest in the vacancy and therefore were assumed contenders. Furthermore, the selection panel was not bound by the players' list.
In 2003, O'Rourke guided the Mournemen to an Ulster final, but endured three undistinguished seasons after that Anglo-Celt near-miss before leaving the post in 2006. McDonnell said: ''I think a lot of negative feeling among some people is because Paddy's from Down. Apart from the likes of Kerry and Tyrone, most counties have opted for an outside man, so we shouldn't get too wrapped up in that. ''I also feel people are too quick to judge him because of his four years with Down. When you look at that Down team Paddy had they were very young and inexperienced. It's tough trying to get success with young players. I don't think it's a fair reflection on his managerial abilities.''
The Killeavy clubman also acknowledged that O'Rourke made mistakes during his time with his native county, but insisted that Armagh are getting a better manager for those experiences. ''I'm sure Paddy accepts that he made mistakes, but every manager when they're starting out makes mistakes. It's learning from those mistakes that make you stronger. As a player Paddy O'Rourke won everything. He was somebody who never settled for second best, and the same will apply when he gets to work in Armagh. ''I'd urge everyone in Armagh to get behind him. I think he is the kind of personality we need in the county at the minute. He's a strong-willed individual and is a firm hand. ''I've spoken to a few Down players that played under Paddy and they have nothing but admiration for the man.''
McDonnell didn't hide the fact that Paul Grimley was his first preference to replace the out-going Peter McDonnell, but the Pearse Og clubman couldn't be lured back to his native county and instead joined Monaghan. ''It was a frustrating period because the whole county wanted Paul Grimley, but it wasn't to be,'' he said. ''You have to let people move on. It's only right that Paul Grimley is allowed to move on with Monaghan. ''I remain good friends with Paul, but if Armagh have to do battle with Monaghan next year, then for 70 minutes we'll be on opposite sides. ''Nobody could say for certain if Paul Grimley would have been a success as Armagh manager. Or for that matter John Rafferty or Brian McAlinden. Paddy O'Rourke deserves a fair crack at the job and people shouldn't rush to judge him. The most important thing now is for people to get behind the new manager because I think he can achieve things with the players that we have in the county.''
Meanwhile, Kilcoo's all-conquering manager and former Armagh boss Jim McCorry has been linked to a selector's post under O'Rourke, while former Orchard favourite John Toal is believed to have declined a similar option. Fermanagh native and highly-respected trainer Mike McGurn is expected to be part of the new managerial set-up.
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on October 09, 2009, 11:17:25 AM
Todays Irish News:
QuoteARMAGH ace Stevie McDonnell has urged supporters to get behind new manager Paddy O'Rourke and move on from the selection controversy that dogged the county for several weeks. ....
I couldn't disagree more... what will the rest of us do for entertainment if the supporters take Stevie's advice! :D
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on October 09, 2009, 11:17:25 AM
Todays Irish News:
Quote''I also feel people are too quick to judge him because of his four years with Down. When you look at that Down team Paddy had they were very young and inexperienced. It's tough trying to get success with young players. I don't think it's a fair reflection on his managerial abilities.''
Em, is that not like the situation we have now?
McCorry won't be part of backroom team.....
Does anybody else not feel that in this day and age in terms of county management...managers should make their backroom team known before appointment? and surely a man's backroom team should be a contributing factor to the one chosen to manage the county....
This backroom team is fast becoming a joke with everybody under the sun being linked........First it was the manager, then the backroom team what next? The bus driver?...look out chambers.... ::)
Maybe POR hadnt time to plan his backroom staff since his apllicaition/appointment which i gather wasnt much time in between the two
Quote from: Real1995 on October 09, 2009, 11:46:28 AM
................and surely a man's backroom team should be a contributing factor to the one chosen to manage the county....
Thats what I would have thought
Quote from: full back on October 09, 2009, 12:11:08 PM
Quote from: Real1995 on October 09, 2009, 11:46:28 AM
................and surely a man's backroom team should be a contributing factor to the one chosen to manage the county....
Thats what I would have thought
It's the main reason that the county board gave for NOT giving the manager's job to Grimley in 07........he's supposed to have changed his backroom team during the election process.
Heard a rumour from a good source that the backroom team is to be announced tonight.
It would need to be good! If it's in line with the events of the past few months expect a few rabitts out of the hat.
I'm laughing to myself here reading.
They'll make a balls of this too. I don't know how but they'll find some way
Quote from: Aghdavoyle on October 09, 2009, 05:08:48 PM
I'm laughing to myself here reading.
They'll make a balls of this too. I don't know how but they'll find some way
Yes, they do seem to have an abundance of that particular talent
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on October 09, 2009, 11:17:25 AM
Todays Irish News:
QuoteARMAGH ace Stevie McDonnell has urged supporters to get behind new manager Paddy O'Rourke and move on from the selection controversy that dogged the county for several weeks. McDonnell confronted several issues that some people may have with O'Rourke's arrival in Armagh, but firmly believes the Down man is the right man for the job.
Opinion is divided in the county while rumours persist that some players remain unhappy with the managerial appointment. O'Rourke is the first outside manager of Armagh since Derryman Gerry O'Neill held the job from 1975 to 1981. John Rafferty, Peter Rafferty, Jim McConville, Brian McAlinden and O'Rourke were the five names the Armagh senior panel submitted to the selection committee. Contrary to popular opinion, all five names submitted received overwhelming support from the 2009 Armagh panel. Sean Boylan and Colm Coyle were briefly mentioned, but weren't included on the list. McDonnell also explained that Donal Murtagh and Neil Smyth's names were not on their list because the two men already had declared their interest in the vacancy and therefore were assumed contenders. Furthermore, the selection panel was not bound by the players' list.
In 2003, O'Rourke guided the Mournemen to an Ulster final, but endured three undistinguished seasons after that Anglo-Celt near-miss before leaving the post in 2006. McDonnell said: ''I think a lot of negative feeling among some people is because Paddy's from Down. Apart from the likes of Kerry and Tyrone, most counties have opted for an outside man, so we shouldn't get too wrapped up in that. ''I also feel people are too quick to judge him because of his four years with Down. When you look at that Down team Paddy had they were very young and inexperienced. It's tough trying to get success with young players. I don't think it's a fair reflection on his managerial abilities.''
The Killeavy clubman also acknowledged that O'Rourke made mistakes during his time with his native county, but insisted that Armagh are getting a better manager for those experiences. ''I'm sure Paddy accepts that he made mistakes, but every manager when they're starting out makes mistakes. It's learning from those mistakes that make you stronger. As a player Paddy O'Rourke won everything. He was somebody who never settled for second best, and the same will apply when he gets to work in Armagh. ''I'd urge everyone in Armagh to get behind him. I think he is the kind of personality we need in the county at the minute. He's a strong-willed individual and is a firm hand. ''I've spoken to a few Down players that played under Paddy and they have nothing but admiration for the man.''
McDonnell didn't hide the fact that Paul Grimley was his first preference to replace the out-going Peter McDonnell, but the Pearse Og clubman couldn't be lured back to his native county and instead joined Monaghan. ''It was a frustrating period because the whole county wanted Paul Grimley, but it wasn't to be,'' he said. ''You have to let people move on. It's only right that Paul Grimley is allowed to move on with Monaghan. ''I remain good friends with Paul, but if Armagh have to do battle with Monaghan next year, then for 70 minutes we'll be on opposite sides. ''Nobody could say for certain if Paul Grimley would have been a success as Armagh manager. Or for that matter John Rafferty or Brian McAlinden. Paddy O'Rourke deserves a fair crack at the job and people shouldn't rush to judge him. The most important thing now is for people to get behind the new manager because I think he can achieve things with the players that we have in the county.''
Meanwhile, Kilcoo's all-conquering manager and former Armagh boss Jim McCorry has been linked to a selector's post under O'Rourke, while former Orchard favourite John Toal is believed to have declined a similar option. Fermanagh native and highly-respected trainer Mike McGurn is expected to be part of the new managerial set-up.
In light of the rumours I've heard that bullshit from Stevie makes my blood boil.
Pints, what do you mean? PM me if you prefer...
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on October 09, 2009, 07:32:10 PM
Pints, what do you mean? PM me if you prefer...
I heard that Stevie was the one beating the drum for O'Rourke from the start.
Well Lecale, maybe that bodes well for us then - I doubt very much Stevie if would be involved with Armagh if he didn't think that the potential was there on any given day
I know he has a young family so to be giving that commitment year on year speaks for itself imo
por meeting club chairmen/managers monday night
backroom staff in place by then
I toul ye all it was Stevies fault, somebody hang the fecker up by the ballix before he gets to decide who assists paddy, it probably would end up Pat Malloy and Gadaffi ffs! :-\
Wonder will Stevie be part of the backroom team, his days on the team look numbered, very poor season this year.
Quote from: bennydorano on October 10, 2009, 12:32:36 PM
Wonder will Stevie be part of the backroom team, his days on the team look numbered, very poor season this year.
He is young enough to bounce back benny, that said he seemed a bit greedy to me this year, shooting from anywhere and it just seemed he wasnt enjoying his football. Maybe the hiring of his mate POR will wake him up, he is one of our best ever players and i am sure he still has a lot of game in him.
if Stevie was rejuvenated and determined to make a go of it next year, even if it was one last blast, then this would greatly help Armagh and so PORs acceptance.
Is this 'meet the press' gig on Monday night as well?
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 02, 2009, 08:21:44 PM
The armagh county board can go and f**k themselves
I believe DuffleKing you will now find that the players were part of and supportive of this process. After having been on the Ger thread talking about how the Cork footballers sorted the CCB out I think you have to face your contradictions.
Quote from: laoisgaa on October 10, 2009, 08:59:23 PM
Is this 'meet the press' gig on Monday night as well?
expand?
Quote from: dowling on October 11, 2009, 12:04:36 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 02, 2009, 08:21:44 PM
The armagh county board can go and f**k themselves
I believe DuffleKing you will now find that the players were part of and supportive of this process. After having been on the Ger thread talking about how the Cork footballers sorted the CCB out I think you have to face your contradictions.
I don't see how anyone can claim the players were behind the process
Did the players not agree to a list of names as candidates? If they did does that not mean that they were part of the process through which ORourke was decided upon?
No dowling. That's not what happened according to people I know who aren't too far away from the set-up
Haven't been on for a while, but I read in Oisins column today that he has been impressed by the manner in which POR has gone about assembling his back room team??
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on October 11, 2009, 04:21:27 PM
No dowling. That's not what happened according to people I know who aren't too far away from the set-up
Ok, well according to the people you know what was the process and are the players dissatisfied with it and Paddy's appointment or not.
I see Saturday 20th March is Paddy's homecoming.
Should be an interesting night. I am sure you boys will at least let him survive until then...
Quote from: BroJolly on October 11, 2009, 04:32:45 PM
Haven't been on for a while, but I read in Oisins column today that he has been impressed by the manner in which POR has gone about assembling his back room team??
Never heard the back room team yet, what is it?
jim mc corry has declined an offer to join the backroom team
QuoteI see Saturday 20th March is Paddy's homecoming.
Should be an interesting night. I am sure you boys will at least let him survive until then...
No, but if we don't win this one he will come under pressure and rightly so, Down haven't beaten us in League or Championship for a generation.
Also Armagh need to win this one as we only have 3 games at home and I can't see us getting anything out of away games against Meath and Donegal.
Quote from: naka on October 12, 2009, 01:45:55 PM
jim mc corry has declined an offer to join the backroom team
POR is fast running out of options to get Armagh men to involve themselves with the set-up. I thought McCorry would have been a good man in the back-room team, lots of experience with a proven track record at club level. The talk is that Jim McConville is going to form part of the set-up now. Can anyone confirm what experience or success he has had at club level?
Quotewhat experience or success he has had at club level?
he has had some success at pub level! :)
Quote from: armaghniac on October 12, 2009, 03:55:07 PM
Quotewhat experience or success he has had at club level?
he has had some success at pub level! :)
Classy.
Quote from: stew on October 12, 2009, 05:17:32 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 12, 2009, 03:55:07 PM
Quotewhat experience or success he has had at club level?
he has had some success at pub level! :)
Classy.
Jim as managed pubs stew, dont think armaghniac meant wat you think he did.
Quote from: dowling on October 11, 2009, 10:50:00 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on October 11, 2009, 04:21:27 PM
No dowling. That's not what happened according to people I know who aren't too far away from the set-up
Ok, well according to the people you know what was the process and are the players dissatisfied with it and Paddy's appointment or not.
I would prefer not to tell you so I don't break anyone's confidence. Suffice to say that there is a world of difference between what is being reported and what has actually happened - the players weren't given all the information they should have been and aren't happy, allegedly.
Before you ask, there is no rumours of a strike and I doubt very much there would be one. There is nothing else for you to gossip about :)
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on October 12, 2009, 06:53:47 PM
Quote from: dowling on October 11, 2009, 10:50:00 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on October 11, 2009, 04:21:27 PM
No dowling. That's not what happened according to people I know who aren't too far away from the set-up
Ok, well according to the people you know what was the process and are the players dissatisfied with it and Paddy's appointment or not.
I would prefer not to tell you so I don't break anyone's confidence. Suffice to say that there is a world of difference between what is being reported and what has actually happened - the players weren't given all the information they should have been and aren't happy, allegedly.
Before you ask, there is no rumours of a strike and I doubt very much there would be one. There is nothing else for you to gossip about :)
What has gossip got to do with me coming on this forum to challange posts which I believe to be unfair and personal? Your post, "I could tell ye but I can't..." has the tones of gossip, no substance there. Any Armagh figures who have spoken publicly, including Stevie McD, have been supportive so why is no one expressing this unhappiness especially as a statement from the players was released at another time.
There is a lot about what the driving force was behind this appointment which will never reach the light of day. Even people on here who "know" someone on the inside are either off the mark or just keeping a lot of truth to their chests. Time for the back rrom team to be named, if one can, and close the conjecture surrounding the rest of the appointment. At the end of the day if the managemnet team can be put into place we are stuck with it and cannot get around that fact, so we should support what we have until we have reason not to.
Quote from: dowling on October 12, 2009, 07:14:35 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on October 12, 2009, 06:53:47 PM
Quote from: dowling on October 11, 2009, 10:50:00 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on October 11, 2009, 04:21:27 PM
No dowling. That's not what happened according to people I know who aren't too far away from the set-up
Ok, well according to the people you know what was the process and are the players dissatisfied with it and Paddy's appointment or not.
I would prefer not to tell you so I don't break anyone's confidence. Suffice to say that there is a world of difference between what is being reported and what has actually happened - the players weren't given all the information they should have been and aren't happy, allegedly.
Before you ask, there is no rumours of a strike and I doubt very much there would be one. There is nothing else for you to gossip about :)
What has gossip got to do with me coming on this forum to challange posts which I believe to be unfair and personal? Your post, "I could tell ye but I can't..." has the tones of gossip, no substance there. Any Armagh figures who have spoken publicly, including Stevie McD, have been supportive so why is no one expressing this unhappiness especially as a statement from the players was released at another time.
None of your business or mine... oh and dowling, you are the one who seems to pop up at every opportunity for an oul gossip.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 12, 2009, 07:19:28 PM
There is a lot about what the driving force was behind this appointment which will never reach the light of day. Even people on here who "know" someone on the inside are either off the mark or just keeping a lot of truth to their chests. Time for the back rrom team to be named, if one can, and close the conjecture surrounding the rest of the appointment. At the end of the day if the managemnet team can be put into place we are stuck with it and cannot get around that fact, so we should support what we have until we have reason not to.
I couldn't agree more
I thought the County Board had the back room team already assembled? What's going on?
QuoteJim as managed pubs stew, dont think armaghniac meant wat you think he did.
In case there is any doubt, this is exactly what I meant, Jim is a successful pub manager.
I hear Donal Murtagh has been confirmed as Paddy O'Rourke's assistant and Mike McGurn as trainer.
Just got a phone call from a County Board offical in Armagh.
Quote from: Carbery on October 12, 2009, 09:01:42 PM
I hear Donal Murtagh has been confirmed as Paddy O'Rourke's assistant and Mike McGurn as trainer.
Just got a phone call from a County Board offical in Armagh.
Seems strange after Murtagh slagging off the CB last week.
Quote from: Carbery on October 12, 2009, 09:01:42 PM
I hear Donal Murtagh has been confirmed as Paddy O'Rourke's assistant and Mike McGurn as trainer.
Just got a phone call from a County Board offical in Armagh.
A mod on orchardcounty.com is saying that this is confirmed
this is confirmed--murtagh is no2
Any word on McGurn naka?
If Donal Murtagh is no.2, then this is a good move by O'Rourke/county board imo. Should take the pressure off by having a strong no.2. McGurn would seem to be a top fitness trainer, but we need a football coach. Is this Murtagh's role?
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on October 12, 2009, 07:25:28 PM
Quote from: dowling on October 12, 2009, 07:14:35 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on October 12, 2009, 06:53:47 PM
Quote from: dowling on October 11, 2009, 10:50:00 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on October 11, 2009, 04:21:27 PM
No dowling. That's not what happened according to people I know who aren't too far away from the set-up
Ok, well according to the people you know what was the process and are the players dissatisfied with it and Paddy's appointment or not.
I would prefer not to tell you so I don't break anyone's confidence. Suffice to say that there is a world of difference between what is being reported and what has actually happened - the players weren't given all the information they should have been and aren't happy, allegedly.
Before you ask, there is no rumours of a strike and I doubt very much there would be one. There is nothing else for you to gossip about :)
What has gossip got to do with me coming on this forum to challange posts which I believe to be unfair and personal? Your post, "I could tell ye but I can't..." has the tones of gossip, no substance there. Any Armagh figures who have spoken publicly, including Stevie McD, have been supportive so why is no one expressing this unhappiness especially as a statement from the players was released at another time.
None of your business or mine... oh and dowling, you are the one who seems to pop up at every opportunity for an oul gossip.
Don't know what you're hoping to achieve by trying to attack me, unless you want to expand on the above.
As for speculation on the backroom team, what do your boys say? And that will end the speculation. And God help anyone who thinks you're making things up as you go along! Oh that's right, you can't say. Well you could but you can't! Pure substance and no gossip. A pillar of the GAA!
Take the hint dowling.
Noone wants to listen to your shit on this thread
The 'Management team' looks a lot stronger now!
So basically this much awaited announcement of the back-room team consists of Mick McGurn, who was in place weeks ago anyway and Donal Murtagh, who was completely snubbed for the main job but is now willing to go in as Side-show Bob. Hardly earth-shattering news or indeed news. I think most of us were naively expecting an entourage of big names to be announced. Or is there news that hasn't been revealed on this board yet?
Quote from: Aghdavoyle on October 13, 2009, 02:19:20 AM
Take the hint dowling.
Noone wants to listen to your shit on this thread
You put it better than me - I was trying to be polite, for once
Quote from: Aghdavoyle on October 13, 2009, 02:19:20 AM
Take the hint dowling.
Noone wants to listen to your shit on this thread
Sure you boys just peddle your own shit and feed off each other at the expense of others. Ye need a wee dose of reality coming into your vindictive wee lives. No doubt you boys will sort everything out next year.
Quote from: irunthev on October 13, 2009, 08:03:47 AM
So basically this much awaited announcement of the back-room team consists of Mick McGurn, who was in place weeks ago anyway and Donal Murtagh, who was completely snubbed for the main job but is now willing to go in as Side-show Bob. Hardly earth-shattering news or indeed news. I think most of us were naively expecting an entourage of big names to be announced. Or is there news that hasn't been revealed on this board yet?
it was hoped that mc corry would have carried out the coaching but he has stayed with kilcoo,
there are too many guys on this board who have feck all to do but complain, a proven coach is being sought at present.
I'm a lot more encouraged about our future now with Murtagh in place. I was always impressed by him and he has done with Cross what we are hoping to do with the county. He successfully integrated good young talent into the Cross team alongside some of the established stars and created a winning formula. For me, the Rangers best AI win was their last one because of this.
He wasn't afraid to make substitutions early and he's his own man, he never allowed big Joe to influence him at any stage.
With McGurn in place (or so I'm told) we will not lack in fitness or conditioning and with these two men in place hopefully we'll be able to attract someone with a good coaching record.
We'll need it as the League has thrown up some difficult ties, we've never had a good record in Navan or Portlaoise, and Ballybofey will be a hard place to get a result in.
We'll have the opportunity to see whether David McKenna and Paul McKeown will bring something to the party now.
Quote from: mackers on October 13, 2009, 10:42:52 AM
I'm a lot more encouraged about our future now with Murtagh in place. I was always impressed by him and he has done with Cross what we are hoping to do with the county. He successfully integrated good young talent into the Cross team alongside some of the established stars and created a winning formula. For me, the Rangers best AI win was their last one because of this.
He wasn't afraid to make substitutions early and he's his own man, he never allowed big Joe to influence him at any stage.
With McGurn in place (or so I'm told) we will not lack in fitness or conditioning and with these two men in place hopefully we'll be able to attract someone with a good coaching record.
We'll need it as the League has thrown up some difficult ties, we've never had a good record in Navan or Portlaoise, and Ballybofey will be a hard place to get a result in.
We'll have the opportunity to see whether David McKenna and Paul McKeown will bring something to the party now.
Reminds me a bit of the Stan / Bobby Robson ROI appointment now. The man more likely to have been a competent manager is number 2 while there are huge question marks over the main man.
Still its a step forward though surprising in light of what Murtagh said last week.
Quote from: mackers on October 13, 2009, 10:42:52 AM
I'm a lot more encouraged about our future now with Murtagh in place. I was always impressed by him and he has done with Cross what we are hoping to do with the county. He successfully integrated good young talent into the Cross team alongside some of the established stars and created a winning formula. For me, the Rangers best AI win was their last one because of this.
He wasn't afraid to make substitutions early and he's his own man, he never allowed big Joe to influence him at any stage.
With McGurn in place (or so I'm told) we will not lack in fitness or conditioning and with these two men in place hopefully we'll be able to attract someone with a good coaching record.
We'll need it as the League has thrown up some difficult ties, we've never had a good record in Navan or Portlaoise, and Ballybofey will be a hard place to get a result in.
We'll have the opportunity to see whether David McKenna and Paul McKeown will bring something to the party now.
I am pleased to see Donal getting the number 2 and I think he will bring a lot of tactical know how to the set up that would not necessarily have been there.
Mackers, whatever about Titch being there more often now, I am not sure if we will see as much of Paul as some people would like.
Delighted to see Murtagh involved. As he said himself he knows armagh football so that at least is progress from what we were looking at. I'm not sure how hands on he'll be around training so i'm assuming there'll be someone added from that point of view.
Good to see Donal involved. Knows Armagh footbal inside and never misses a club a game.Seen him at alot of Armagh championship games at all grades this year. Why would we not see more of Paul Mc Keown in a county jersey. I think he is one of the brightest prospects in Armagh.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 13, 2009, 11:02:16 AM
Quote from: mackers on October 13, 2009, 10:42:52 AM
I'm a lot more encouraged about our future now with Murtagh in place. I was always impressed by him and he has done with Cross what we are hoping to do with the county. He successfully integrated good young talent into the Cross team alongside some of the established stars and created a winning formula. For me, the Rangers best AI win was their last one because of this.
He wasn't afraid to make substitutions early and he's his own man, he never allowed big Joe to influence him at any stage.
With McGurn in place (or so I'm told) we will not lack in fitness or conditioning and with these two men in place hopefully we'll be able to attract someone with a good coaching record.
We'll need it as the League has thrown up some difficult ties, we've never had a good record in Navan or Portlaoise, and Ballybofey will be a hard place to get a result in.
We'll have the opportunity to see whether David McKenna and Paul McKeown will bring something to the party now.
I am pleased to see Donal getting the number 2 and I think he will bring a lot of tactical know how to the set up that would not necessarily have been there.
Mackers, whatever about Titch being there more often now, I am not sure if we will see as much of Paul as some people would like.
Why's that bc? I had heard rumours that he wasn't that pushed on playing for the county, thought Murtagh's inclusion in the set up might encourage him (similar to Francie with Kernan). For me, he's an excellent prospect.
Like Aghdavoyle, I have seen Donal that virtually every club game I've been at, he'll know what's out there for us to use.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on October 13, 2009, 10:55:55 AM
Quote from: mackers on October 13, 2009, 10:42:52 AM
I'm a lot more encouraged about our future now with Murtagh in place. I was always impressed by him and he has done with Cross what we are hoping to do with the county. He successfully integrated good young talent into the Cross team alongside some of the established stars and created a winning formula. For me, the Rangers best AI win was their last one because of this.
He wasn't afraid to make substitutions early and he's his own man, he never allowed big Joe to influence him at any stage.
With McGurn in place (or so I'm told) we will not lack in fitness or conditioning and with these two men in place hopefully we'll be able to attract someone with a good coaching record.
We'll need it as the League has thrown up some difficult ties, we've never had a good record in Navan or Portlaoise, and Ballybofey will be a hard place to get a result in.
We'll have the opportunity to see whether David McKenna and Paul McKeown will bring something to the party now.
Reminds me a bit of the Stan / Bobby Robson ROI appointment now. The man more likely to have been a competent manager is number 2 while there are huge question marks over the main man.
Still its a step forward though surprising in light of what Murtagh said last week.
This your get of jail card now
If Armagh dont do well it is POR's fault but if they do anything it will be all down to Murtagh!!
Quote from: naka on October 12, 2009, 10:24:29 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on October 12, 2009, 10:10:13 PM
Any word on McGurn naka?
dont think its a given yet
mc gurn now confirmed as part of the backroom team, now for a coach
McGurn and Murtagh would probably be welcome onto any team in the country but somehow I doubt if many Armagh fans will be congratulating the county board on the appointments.
I am an Armagh fan. I welcome the appointment of Murtagh and McGurn.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 13, 2009, 06:21:09 PM
I am an Armagh fan. I welcome the appointment of Murtagh and McGurn.
+1
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on October 13, 2009, 06:29:10 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 13, 2009, 06:21:09 PM
I am an Armagh fan. I welcome the appointment of Murtagh and McGurn.
+1
Me too. Really surprised after what was said last week, but delighted too.
Who would be in reckoning for coach? Liam McCorry?
Have to say i would still like to see someone like Marsden added as a selector...lads we need forward ideas.....like in rugby....
I'd be happy with Marsden as well. The guy's a legend
Quote from: irunthev on October 13, 2009, 08:03:47 AM
So basically this much awaited announcement of the back-room team consists of Mick McGurn, who was in place weeks ago anyway and Donal Murtagh, who was completely snubbed for the main job but is now willing to go in as Side-show Bob. Hardly earth-shattering news or indeed news. I think most of us were naively expecting an entourage of big names to be announced. Or is there news that hasn't been revealed on this board yet?
Eh? Donal Murtagh will do for me as no.2. He could/should have been the main man, but fair play to him for being man enough not to hold a grudge. It's a wise move by O'Rourke and shows that he's not frightened to have a strong personality in with him. What we didn't need was a total novice as the no.2. Fair play to you Donal, you've stood up when your county needed you!
Quote from: Armamike on October 13, 2009, 09:06:25 PM
Quote from: irunthev on October 13, 2009, 08:03:47 AM
So basically this much awaited announcement of the back-room team consists of Mick McGurn, who was in place weeks ago anyway and Donal Murtagh, who was completely snubbed for the main job but is now willing to go in as Side-show Bob. Hardly earth-shattering news or indeed news. I think most of us were naively expecting an entourage of big names to be announced. Or is there news that hasn't been revealed on this board yet?
Eh? Donal Murtagh will do for me as no.2. He could/should have been the main man, but fair play to him for being man enough not to hold a grudge. It's a wise move by O'Rourke and shows that he's not frightened to have a strong personality in with him. What we didn't need was a total novice as the no.2. Fair play to you Donal, you've stood up when your county needed you!
As a complete neutral on this matter it is good to see such positive comments coming out of Armagh after what has been a bit of a fiasco..
FFS half of you knew nothing about mickey mc gurn 6 weeks ago, now its a great decision ? ?
+3
Quote from: Bensars on October 13, 2009, 09:34:36 PM
FFS half of you knew nothing about mickey mc gurn 6 weeks ago, now its a great decision ? ?
Maybe they've done a bit of research on the man.
Quote from: Bensars on October 13, 2009, 09:34:36 PM
FFS half of you knew nothing about mickey mc gurn 6 weeks ago, now its a great decision ? ?
Aye, we missed the clairvoyancy classes ACB provided
I dont doubt that, or his credentials. But theres guys IIMO endorsing his appointment who know nothing about him.
Its was only a couple of weeks ago that there was an outcry about the Armagh county board appointing or approaching a trainer without a manager in place. Just goes to show a few weeks is a very short time in football. By the way i wish him all the best and it is a fine recruitment
Quote from: Armamike on October 13, 2009, 09:06:25 PM
Quote from: irunthev on October 13, 2009, 08:03:47 AM
So basically this much awaited announcement of the back-room team consists of Mick McGurn, who was in place weeks ago anyway and Donal Murtagh, who was completely snubbed for the main job but is now willing to go in as Side-show Bob. Hardly earth-shattering news or indeed news. I think most of us were naively expecting an entourage of big names to be announced. Or is there news that hasn't been revealed on this board yet?
Eh? Donal Murtagh will do for me as no.2. He could/should have been the main man, but fair play to him for being man enough not to hold a grudge. It's a wise move by O'Rourke and shows that he's not frightened to have a strong personality in with him. What we didn't need was a total novice as the no.2. Fair play to you Donal, you've stood up when your county needed you!
I'd agree, especially when others didn't!! >:(
As for McGurn... i'd be surprised if any sport fans hadn't heard of McGurn's reputation untill 6 weeks ago!
Quote from: Bensars on October 13, 2009, 09:34:36 PM
FFS half of you knew nothing about mickey mc gurn 6 weeks ago, now its a great decision ? ?
Sorry Bensars, but that's a bullsh1t post. You're letting your anti-Armagh tendencies run away with you.
Lads lads lads, its like this, Paddy O Rourke and his backroom team, may not have been everyones choice and the appointment certainly did raise a few eyebrows, but at the end of the day he is the new Manager and we will all have to get behind him and the team for the new Season.
Who knows he could be the best thing since sliced bread,
He wasnt my choice as manager but Good Luck to him
;D :D ;D
Good one Onion Bag!!
He must do some business down your way
Quote from: umgolaarmagh on October 14, 2009, 11:29:25 AM
;D :D ;D
Good one Onion Bag!!
He must do some business down your way
I hear you are going to miss the match on Sunday, thats a bit shitty
Lads, Mike McGurn is an amazing appointment, credit has to be given, he's probably the best fitness guru in the land, it's akin to appointing Ger Hartmann as your team physio.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on October 14, 2009, 11:45:39 AM
Lads, Mike McGurn is an amazing appointment, credit has to be given, he's probably the best fitness guru in the land, it's akin to appointing Ger Hartmann as your team physio.
well one thing that I seen in armaghs last championship game against monaghan was that they looked to me to be blowing out of their holes!! You would have to think that from a conditioning point of view they will be up there with the best in the country!! What do use make of the idea that he will be working with all levels down to development squads.. I think it could be a masterstroke!! I know strenghth and conditioning are not the be and end all but this setup will prepare future players better for making the step up to senior level (raymond mulgrew in Tyrone is a prime example).
Quote from: Onion Bag on October 14, 2009, 11:28:06 AM
Lads lads lads, its like this, Paddy O Rourke and his backroom team, may not have been everyones choice and the appointment certainly did raise a few eyebrows, but at the end of the day he is the new Manager and we will all have to get behind him and the team for the new Season.
Who knows he could be the best thing since sliced bread,
He wasnt my choice as manager but Good Luck to him
Jaysus Onion, never thought i would hear ye at that craic....
What criac is that? r u going to get a game on sunday?????????
QuotePaddy O Rourke and his backroom team, may not have been everyones choice and the appointment certainly did raise a few eyebrows, but at the end of the day he is the new Manager and we will all have to get behind him and the team for the new Season.
POG isn't. He has avowed to never support Armagh under O'Rourke and is now going to support either Down or Armagh, depending which way the wind is blowing at the time.
Quote from: under the bar on October 14, 2009, 01:23:07 PM
QuotePaddy O Rourke and his backroom team, may not have been everyones choice and the appointment certainly did raise a few eyebrows, but at the end of the day he is the new Manager and we will all have to get behind him and the team for the new Season.
POG isn't. He has avowed to never support Armagh under O'Rourke and is now going to support either Down or Armagh, depending which way the wind is blowing at the time.
It would need to be a strong wind to move pints. ;)
Quote from: Onion Bag on October 14, 2009, 12:46:34 PM
What criac is that? r u going to get a game on sunday?????????
getting behind orourke...
i would seriously doubt it, think we need at least half a dozen injuries, at least!
Maybe you could do Waterboy or something,
Aye Paddy O Rourke, what can we do Ifra, not much point complaining about it, we may just get on with it
Johhny murtagh be heading to jfk outa new york very soon with donals appointment lota texting and pressure being put on ;)
Quote from: Family guy on October 14, 2009, 04:12:58 PM
Johhny murtagh be heading to jfk outa new york very soon with donals appointment lota texting and pressure being put on ;)
Is he looking him to ride his horse at Naas ???
maybe your sister after some of the games illdecide ;D
Who is Kerry's conditioning coach?
Have any of you any sense at all ?
So what about a conditioning coach , it is this nonsense about bench pressing ( ego pressing) that really will get Armagh nowhere.
Yes in their single year of the last 125 years of the gaa they had a few guys who spent their time in a gym and the rest out of it reading the latest book from the us by a baseball or american football coach about team play!An absolute joke and this nonsens of quotes and sayings of the great coach gurus is quite pathetic!
But hey that is Armagh the 1 year wonders! Now they are all so happy about a conditioning coach who if he was worth his salt at all would be somewhere else and not Armagh !
Quote from: under the bar on October 14, 2009, 01:23:07 PM
QuotePaddy O Rourke and his backroom team, may not have been everyones choice and the appointment certainly did raise a few eyebrows, but at the end of the day he is the new Manager and we will all have to get behind him and the team for the new Season.
POG isn't. He has avowed to never support Armagh under O'Rourke and is now going to support either Down or Armagh, depending which way the wind is blowing at the time.
I assume that's a mistake
Who said it had to be a neighbouring county?
Quote from: thegael on October 14, 2009, 05:53:40 PM
Who is Kerry's conditioning coach?
Have any of you any sense at all ?
So what about a conditioning coach , it is this nonsense about bench pressing ( ego pressing) that really will get Armagh nowhere.
Yes in their single year of the last 125 years of the gaa they had a few guys who spent their time in a gym and the rest out of it reading the latest book from the us by a baseball or american football coach about team play!An absolute joke and this nonsens of quotes and sayings of the great coach gurus is quite pathetic!
But hey that is Armagh the 1 year wonders! Now they are all so happy about a conditioning coach who if he was worth his salt at all would be somewhere else and not Armagh !
you on your period? Who mentioned bench pressing.. I said at least they should be as fit as other teams which last year they weren't!! Also having a man of his experience will be of great help to youngsters!!
Happy to be shot down on this.
From what I've read and heard McGurn is a real Coup.
Question is given his experience and demand, how can Armagh afford him?
Good question Bro, I don't know the answer either. I think he has a 5 year contract as well so they must have the money somewhere to pay him...
http://armagh-gaa.com/Football/News/Justin-McNulty-appointed-Armagh-Selector.aspx
Quote from: orange2009 on October 15, 2009, 03:23:05 PM
http://armagh-gaa.com/Football/News/Justin-McNulty-appointed-Armagh-Selector.aspx
Good news. If they could just unappoint O'Rourke things would be looking rosy.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on October 15, 2009, 03:27:05 PM
Quote from: orange2009 on October 15, 2009, 03:23:05 PM
http://armagh-gaa.com/Football/News/Justin-McNulty-appointed-Armagh-Selector.aspx
Good news. If they could just unappoint O'Rourke things would be looking rosy.
just through from the CB:
A Chara,
Coiste Contae Ard Mhacha are pleased to announce that new Senior Football Team Manager has completed the setting up of his backroom team with the latest addition been former County Footballer Justin McNulty.
The complete breakdown is as follows, Paddy O'Rourke, Mick McGurn, Donal Murtagh, Justin McNulty
--
________________________________
Padraig Og Nuinseann / Patrick Nugent
Secretary
Armagh County GAA Board
Thats a strong team!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: stpauls on October 15, 2009, 04:48:12 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on October 15, 2009, 03:27:05 PM
Quote from: orange2009 on October 15, 2009, 03:23:05 PM
http://armagh-gaa.com/Football/News/Justin-McNulty-appointed-Armagh-Selector.aspx
Good news. If they could just unappoint O'Rourke things would be looking rosy.
just through from the CB:
A Chara,
Coiste Contae Ard Mhacha are pleased to announce that new Senior Football Team Manager has completed the setting up of his backroom team with the latest addition been former County Footballer Justin McNulty.
The complete breakdown is as follows, Paddy O'Rourke, Mick McGurn, Donal Murtagh, Justin McNulty
--
________________________________
Padraig Og Nuinseann / Patrick Nugent
Secretary
Armagh County GAA Board
Freudian slip!?
looking better but I think Paddy O'Rourke should do waterboy
Quote from: pintsofguinness on October 15, 2009, 06:24:49 PM
looking better but I think Paddy O'Rourke should do waterboy
:D
Pints I will be amazed if you live to see fifty, you are the ultimate pessimist, eat crap all day every day and this appointment has taken at least three years off your life.
Move on, Paddy is our man, get behind him and support him and your county. ;D
Despite their very best efforts the county board has managed to stumble their way to having a strong enough management team. It does look a lot better now. Going out and getting McGurn was inspired, credit where it's due to the county board on that one (still can't work out how they managed to pull that off).
Quote from: Armamike on October 15, 2009, 06:45:05 PM
Despite their very best efforts the county board has managed to stumble their way to having a strong enough management team. It does look a lot better now. Going out and getting McGurn was inspired, credit where it's due to the county board on that one (still can't work out how they managed to pull that off).
I could have a stab at it. Morgan wrote out a really big check and poof! McGurn signed on the dotted line. :P
QuoteMcGurn signed on the dotted line.
I'd imagine that the management team will be cosy in the cold weather, with no delays on the oil deliveries.
I think that it is a good coup gettin Justin in, just interested to hear the opinions of those livin outside the south of the county, are you disappointed that there has not been a selector brought in from the mid or North of the county?
it doesn't really matter as the quality is there in the men selected. i don't think donal and justy will stand in the way of any player from the mid or north that are good enough. i feel that about 20 of last years squad will remain and hopefully fresher and keener new young players will be added. we really need to make sure we find a good footballing/ play making half forward line which haven't had in the last 3 years. ;)
Not too bothered there's no one from North Armagh. Justin McNultys attitude and commitment was always fantastic, so pleased he's on. No point moaning about O'Rourke cause its well documented.
Only niggle is the backroom team consist of 3 ex defenders. Forward coach would have been good
Quote from: BroJolly on October 15, 2009, 07:40:23 PM
Not too bothered there's no one from North Armagh. Justin McNultys attitude and commitment was always fantastic, so pleased he's on. No point moaning about O'Rourke cause its well documented.
Only niggle is the backroom team consist of 3 ex defenders. Forward coach would have been good
Although primarily a defender, Donal did many a stint up front as well. I would easily say he is one of the most natural pure footballers I ever played with. He didn't maybe show it on the field but he had a natural class.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 15, 2009, 08:00:41 PM
Quote from: BroJolly on October 15, 2009, 07:40:23 PM
Not too bothered there's no one from North Armagh. Justin McNultys attitude and commitment was always fantastic, so pleased he's on. No point moaning about O'Rourke cause its well documented.
Only niggle is the backroom team consist of 3 ex defenders. Forward coach would have been good
Although primarily a defender, Donal did many a stint up front as well. I would easily say he is one of the most natural pure footballers I ever played with. He didn't maybe show it on the field but he had a natural class.
broken you are taking the piss--i marked donal and have to say he was similiar to Francie and donaldson, no comment from him but you knew what was coming--
as a manager though a great record and credit to him, but could never class him as "most natural pure footballer"
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 15, 2009, 08:00:41 PM
He didn't maybe show it on the field but he had a natural class.
How does that work?
Quote from: naka on October 15, 2009, 08:55:34 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 15, 2009, 08:00:41 PM
Quote from: BroJolly on October 15, 2009, 07:40:23 PM
Not too bothered there's no one from North Armagh. Justin McNultys attitude and commitment was always fantastic, so pleased he's on. No point moaning about O'Rourke cause its well documented.
Only niggle is the backroom team consist of 3 ex defenders. Forward coach would have been good
Although primarily a defender, Donal did many a stint up front as well. I would easily say he is one of the most natural pure footballers I ever played with. He didn't maybe show it on the field but he had a natural class.
broken you are taking the piss--i marked donal and have to say he was similiar to Francie and donaldson, no comment from him but you knew what was coming--
as a manager though a great record and credit to him, but could never class him as "most natural pure footballer"
Naka, he did what he had to when no 3 was on his back, but the big brother is the same age as him and they played midfield together all the way up through underage. Donal is a classy forward and could kick points off either feet from anywhere inside the 45 line. When he went to FB he did what any good FB does, holds his house!
Quote from: Zapatista on October 15, 2009, 08:58:57 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 15, 2009, 08:00:41 PM
He didn't maybe show it on the field but he had a natural class.
How does that work?
He never really had to show what he could do in FB as naka attested to he just cleared the way in front of him.
With Donal Murtagh and Mike McGurn and now Justin McNulty on board, is there any call for Paddy O'Rourke?
QuoteWith Donal Murtagh and Mike McGurn and now Justin McNulty on board, is there any call for Paddy O'Rourke?
There might be a call for him to go away back to Down.
He could carry the uisce
Didn't realise Donal Murtagh played up front. I only ever seen him playing full back in the first cross team to win the all ireland.
Be interesting to see if boys like Jamie Clarke start to come through now
Who is Kerry's conditioning coach?
Have any of you any sense at all ?
So what about a conditioning coach , it is this nonsense about bench pressing ( ego pressing) that really will get Armagh nowhere.
Yes in their single year of the last 125 years of the gaa they had a few guys who spent their time in a gym and the rest out of it reading the latest book from the us by a baseball or american football coach about team play!An absolute joke and this nonsens of quotes and sayings of the great coach gurus is quite pathetic!
But hey that is Armagh the 1 year wonders! Now they are all so happy about a conditioning coach who if he was worth his salt at all would be somewhere else and not Armagh !
Find this out is this a a myth or just damn good public relations?
In this new world of conditioning coaches etc would Armagh be seen as a prestigious post , something akin to the all blacks or the lions?
Or maybe the chance to work with really talented backroom staff that would be real good cv stuff!
Calling for POR to be waterboy is just plain disrespectful. He's the Armagh manager and he has put together a formidable backroom team.
Let's see what he does with the squad and judge him from that
Quote from: thegael on October 15, 2009, 11:40:27 PM
Who is Kerry's conditioning coach?
Have any of you any sense at all ?
So what about a conditioning coach , it is this nonsense about bench pressing ( ego pressing) that really will get Armagh nowhere.
Yes in their single year of the last 125 years of the gaa they had a few guys who spent their time in a gym and the rest out of it reading the latest book from the us by a baseball or american football coach about team play!An absolute joke and this nonsens of quotes and sayings of the great coach gurus is quite pathetic!
But hey that is Armagh the 1 year wonders! Now they are all so happy about a conditioning coach who if he was worth his salt at all would be somewhere else and not Armagh !
Find this out is this a a myth or just damn good public relations?
In this new world of conditioning coaches etc would Armagh be seen as a prestigious post , something akin to the all blacks or the lions?
Or maybe the chance to work with really talented backroom staff that would be real good cv stuff!
You dont have a notion do you lad???
Mike McGurn is a top class strength and conditioning coach who has worked with the IRFU and the Ospreys in Wales
A Conditioning coach these days with the amount of games is a crucial component in a management team in getting teams peaking at the correct time during the summer,recovery etc
A good one is worth its weight in gold.
Armagh have gotten a great one in McGurn.
A recap:
Armagh have got Mc Gurn- arguably in the top 5 strength and conditioning coaches in the world. The All Blacks were prepared to move him out to NZ 2 years ago to look after their senior team.
Donal Murtagh- a man with a hell of a good CV in Aramgh in club football
Justin Mc nulty- an up and coming coach who has trained club teams to win county championships.
Sounds a pretty good mix to me. Will the County Board be getting an apology from the Aramgh fans here? ;D :D
Quote from: INDIANA on October 16, 2009, 08:58:49 AM
A recap:
Armagh have got Mc Gurn- arguably in the top 5 strength and conditioning coaches in the world. The All Blacks were prepared to move him out to NZ 2 years ago to look after their senior team.
Donal Murtagh- a man with a hell of a good CV in Aramgh in club football
Justin Mc nulty- an up and coming coach who has trained club teams to win county championships.
Sounds a pretty good mix to me. Will the County Board be getting an apology from the Aramgh fans here? ;D :D
I note you have omitted Paddy O'Rourke from your synopsis.
Quote from: Carbery on October 16, 2009, 09:04:21 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 16, 2009, 08:58:49 AM
A recap:
Armagh have got Mc Gurn- arguably in the top 5 strength and conditioning coaches in the world. The All Blacks were prepared to move him out to NZ 2 years ago to look after their senior team.
Donal Murtagh- a man with a hell of a good CV in Aramgh in club football
Justin Mc nulty- an up and coming coach who has trained club teams to win county championships.
Sounds a pretty good mix to me. Will the County Board be getting an apology from the Aramgh fans here? ;D :D
I note you have omitted Paddy O'Rourke from your synopsis.
Can draw an analogy if you like. Peter De Villiers the South African rugby coach is regarded as absolutely useless - yet he has assembled a world class team with the likes of Dick Kruger and Percy montgomery around him. They haven't doen badly have they? -even though every South african rugby fan wants De Villiers out? Any short-comings O Rourke has could be easily papered over with that quality beside him.
You've nothing to complain about mate. there are professional teams who wouldn't have a management team as strong as that. We're pretty envious!
The first point is that the county board appointed a poor manager - from down - without any backroom team.
They deserved nothing but a collective boot in the hole at the time.
realising that they had created an absolute mess (they argue they had no other option at the time) they set about put as good a coaching team around him as possible to soften the blow. they have now succeeded in this.
McGurn is a great appointment but the county board deserve no credit for that one. Grimley head hunted McGurn months back, sold him the all encompassing role and got a couple of big backers to finance it. After grimley left the scene the backers insisted that the McGurn appointment stay on the table irrespective of who got the job because it was such a good idea.
The best management team would have been Murtagh as manager, mcnulty and marsden (attacking ideas) as coaches and McGurn taking care of conditioning. If they'd left the waterboy out of it they could have avoided the row and appointed the best possible coaching team available to us.
The only thing i'd add is... Grimley turned his back on his own county!
EDIT... Maybe I should have put it better - He didn't want the job!
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 16, 2009, 09:36:41 AM
The first point is that the county board appointed a poor manager - from down - without any backroom team.
They deserved nothing but a collective boot in the hole at the time.
realising that they had created an absolute mess (they argue they had no other option at the time) they set about put as good a coaching team around him as possible to soften the blow. they have now succeeded in this.
McGurn is a great appointment but the county board deserve no credit for that one. Grimley head hunted McGurn months back, sold him the all encompassing role and got a couple of big backers to finance it. After grimley left the scene the backers insisted that the McGurn appointment stay on the table irrespective of who got the job because it was such a good idea.
The best management team would have been Murtagh as manager, mcnulty and marsden (attacking ideas) as coaches and McGurn taking care of conditioning. If they'd left the waterboy out of it they could have avoided the row and appointed the best possible coaching team available to us.
That would have been perfect right enough. I'm now a lot more positive about the year ahead but I stand by the comments I made about what a crazy decision it was to appoint Paddy O'Rourke on his own in preference to the two men who are now "assisting" him.
QuoteMurtagh, hmmmmm. It must only be in cross where they produce great managers. Is it not more like great players whom men who have managed. I am not convinced at all with Murtagh. Seriously with the players that are available to Cross, should we be surprised at them doing as well as they do or did do, not just great players, but leaders of players, ie Mc Entees, Bellew. I would have liked to have seen Murtagh win a c'ship with another club team to really test him. I thought his descision making in the game last year against Crokes was shocking, easy to make decesion when 99% of the time the players are doing what they hve done under so many other managers, win.
To be fair to Murtagh, there was something of a lull in (relative) success for Cross between Big Joe stepping down and Murtagh taking over (one Ulster aside). Murtagh acheived 3 in a row Ulster titles, something even large Joseph didn't manage!
Quote from: Thastheball on October 16, 2009, 10:36:07 AM
I know to be fair, but they also won an Ulster title without another Cross man as manager, c'nat recall his name, same players but yet another manager.
Packie McConville I think. Beaten by Portlaoise in the AI semi-final. Funny the way I can remember that but not who they beat in the Ulster final. :o :)
The difference that Donal made was that he took over a team that was truly in transition, a lot of the older lads had gone and there were just a few die hards still playing. He moulded this team in with a number of excellent underage teams that were coming through and was key to keeping them together. To go unbeaten in Ulster for 3 years is an amazing feat and it wasn't just down to the likes of the twins and Oisin.
I would agree that we now have a pretty good management team but for me that doesnt excuse the failings exhibited by the county board throughout the proceedings. This isnt a case of the ends justifying the means. I like the idea of POR as manager just to bring a fresh face that players would respect but not be overly familiar with but at the same time the cb's handling of the whole situation was for disgraceful. To me it doesn't really matter how successful the team are next year, the CB could have conducted things much better.
Goats get your full facts and information correct before saying something which is slanderous. ps i will be talking to grimley at the weekend and he will be interested in your comments. don't be surprised if you get a visit from him as i know your true identity.
Quote from: thewanderer on October 16, 2009, 11:28:33 AM
Goats get your full facts and information correct before saying something which is slanderous. ps i will be talking to grimley at the weekend and he will be interested in your comments. don't be surprised if you get a visit from him as i know your true identity.
Eh? Paul Grimley isn't in charge! End of!
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on October 15, 2009, 11:46:16 PM
Calling for POR to be waterboy is just plain disrespectful. He's the Armagh manager and he has put together a formidable backroom team.
Let's see what he does with the squad and judge him from that
+1
Save that abuse for this time next year Duffleking, if its warranted.
Quote from: Santino on October 16, 2009, 12:45:44 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on October 15, 2009, 11:46:16 PM
Calling for POR to be waterboy is just plain disrespectful. He's the Armagh manager and he has put together a formidable backroom team.
Let's see what he does with the squad and judge him from that
+1
Save that abuse for this time next year Duffleking, if its warranted.
agreed with this as i said lets move on
He's sticking out like a sore thumb as the only member of that management team who's not qualified to be there.
He shouldn't be allowed carry the water. that's not a personal analysis nut rather based on his management to date.
goats i most def will be talkin with him and his family have not been too impressed with comments on this board. turned his back on armagh? hardly what do you think all the meetings were about. speak to someone u know about it ( P )
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 16, 2009, 01:18:27 PM
He shouldn't be allowed carry the water.
You must have a hell of a CV if you can talk about a man who won all Ireland medals at every grade like that. As this discussion board allows a certain amount of anonymity, could you remind people like me exactly what you have done in the game, both on and off the field.
I assume you are a disgruntled member of the county board???
Lads and lasses, we have our concerns about Paddy O'Rourke, and justifiably so given his tenure over Down. The thing is in Down he did not have the back up team that he ha availabel to him now and the raw material was not as good in my view. With McGurn on board and two young assistants(Murtagh may look old but is only 38) the long term future for Armagh may be better than people expect. We have an AI winning playing captain, and man who has played on 3 AI club winning teams and managed one as well, and a young and up and coming manager who has cut his teeth successfully along with a highly regarded, and highly sought after fitness coach. Time to move away from the crap and look at what playing staff changes need to be made as lets face it Peter McDonnell did not lose the game against Monaghan.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 16, 2009, 02:40:06 PM
Lads and lasses, we have our concerns about Paddy O'Rourke, and justifiably so given his tenure over Down. The thing is in Down he did not have the back up team that he ha availabel to him now and the raw material was not as good in my view. With McGurn on board and two young assistants(Murtagh may look old but is only 38) the long term future for Armagh may be better than people expect. We have an AI winning playing captain, and man who has played on 3 AI club winning teams and managed one as well, and a young and up and coming manager who has cut his teeth successfully along with a highly regarded, and highly sought after fitness coach. Time to move away from the crap and look at what playing staff changes need to be made as lets face it Peter McDonnell did not lose the game against Monaghan.
here here!!!
Strange times when Down men are defending the Armagh management.
BC1 is spot on though. Still hope they lose every game they play next year, its time that Armagh supporters realised that they are a crap team and they have to stop blaming the management, or lack of management.
Quote from: Cúig huaire on October 16, 2009, 02:51:15 PM
Strange times when Down men are defending the Armagh management.
And even stranger ones when Armagh men are defending Down men ;)
Quotets time that Armagh supporters realised that they are a crap team and they have to stop blaming the management, or lack of management.
Sure Down have been like that for a dozen years, why should we not do it. ;D
In any case, we may not be quite the force we were, but we should be above the crap level. We are not Down.
Quote from: Cúig huaire on October 16, 2009, 02:51:15 PM
Strange times when Down men are defending the Armagh management.
BC1 is spot on though. Still hope they lose every game they play next year, its time that Armagh supporters realised that they are a crap team and they have to stop blaming the management, or lack of management.
And Down are just f**king fantastic, That was such a worth while post Cuig,
Quote from: Cúig huaire on October 16, 2009, 02:33:34 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 16, 2009, 01:18:27 PM
He shouldn't be allowed carry the water.
You must have a hell of a CV if you can talk about a man who won all Ireland medals at every grade like that. As this discussion board allows a certain amount of anonymity, could you remind people like me exactly what you have done in the game, both on and off the field.
I assume you are a disgruntled member of the county board???
I'm not qualified to carry the water either but at least i know it.
Very happy with three quarters of the management team now. McNulty and Murtagh deserve huge credit for coming on board after missing out on the main job. The irrational optimism is even starting to seep back. Roll on January :)
Quote from: Cúig huaire on October 16, 2009, 02:51:15 PM
Strange times when Down men are defending the Armagh management.
BC1 is spot on though. Still hope they lose every game they play next year, its time that Armagh supporters realised that they are a crap team and they have to stop blaming the management, or lack of management.
;D Brilliant.
It was getting a bit hairy for a while there when we even had some Down men showing a bit of sympathy.
Quote from: Onion Bag on October 16, 2009, 03:25:02 PM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on October 16, 2009, 02:51:15 PM
Strange times when Down men are defending the Armagh management.
BC1 is spot on though. Still hope they lose every game they play next year, its time that Armagh supporters realised that they are a crap team and they have to stop blaming the management, or lack of management.
And Down are just f**king fantastic, That was such a worth while post Cuig,
We are still
5 Times better than Armagh. ;)
Quote from: stpauls on October 16, 2009, 02:46:51 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 16, 2009, 02:40:06 PM
Lads and lasses, we have our concerns about Paddy O'Rourke, and justifiably so given his tenure over Down. The thing is in Down he did not have the back up team that he ha availabel to him now and the raw material was not as good in my view. With McGurn on board and two young assistants(Murtagh may look old but is only 38) the long term future for Armagh may be better than people expect. We have an AI winning playing captain, and man who has played on 3 AI club winning teams and managed one as well, and a young and up and coming manager who has cut his teeth successfully along with a highly regarded, and highly sought after fitness coach. Time to move away from the crap and look at what playing staff changes need to be made as lets face it Peter McDonnell did not lose the game against Monaghan.
here here!!!
I'll echo that too. Armagh have come out of this a heck of a lot better than people would have predicted two weeks ago. What they have managed to do must surely be in contention for "Save of the Season."
QuoteWe are still 5 Times better than Armagh.
Wrong tense there. You
were 5 Times better than Armagh. In the last century.
Lads, in fairness the uisce comment was unwarranted. Looking forward to see how things pan out now.
Is Donal Murtagh really only 38?
Quote from: armaghniac on October 16, 2009, 03:24:03 PM
Quotets time that Armagh supporters realised that they are a crap team and they have to stop blaming the management, or lack of management.
Sure Down have been like that for a dozen years, why should we not do it. ;D
In any case, we may not be quite the force we were, but we should be above the crap level. We are not Down.
Maybe not down but were on your way down til Downman came along to try resuscitation ;)
Quote from: INDIANA on October 16, 2009, 08:58:49 AM
A recap:
Armagh have got Mc Gurn- arguably in the top 5 strength and conditioning coaches in the world. The All Blacks were prepared to move him out to NZ 2 years ago to look after their senior team.
Sounds a pretty good mix to me. Will the County Board be getting an apology from the Aramgh fans here? ;D :D
Bullshit
Quote from: irunthev on October 16, 2009, 04:56:45 PM
Quote from: stpauls on October 16, 2009, 02:46:51 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 16, 2009, 02:40:06 PM
Lads and lasses, we have our concerns about Paddy O'Rourke, and justifiably so given his tenure over Down. The thing is in Down he did not have the back up team that he ha availabel to him now and the raw material was not as good in my view. With McGurn on board and two young assistants(Murtagh may look old but is only 38) the long term future for Armagh may be better than people expect. We have an AI winning playing captain, and man who has played on 3 AI club winning teams and managed one as well, and a young and up and coming manager who has cut his teeth successfully along with a highly regarded, and highly sought after fitness coach. Time to move away from the crap and look at what playing staff changes need to be made as lets face it Peter McDonnell did not lose the game against Monaghan.
here here!!!
I'll echo that too. Armagh have come out of this a heck of a lot better than people would have predicted two weeks ago. What they have managed to do must surely be in contention for "Save of the Season."
Definitely a good turn around.
Also as someone said - well done to Murtagh and McNulty on coming on board after all that happened.
I think it's too early to be harsh on O'Rourke before a ball has been kicked, so let's keep quiet until he actually does something.
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 16, 2009, 09:36:41 AM
McGurn is a great appointment but the county board deserve no credit for that one. Grimley head hunted McGurn months back, sold him the all encompassing role and got a couple of big backers to finance it. After grimley left the scene the backers insisted that the McGurn appointment stay on the table irrespective of who got the job because it was such a good idea.
That is also absolute and complete bollox and it shows you know f*ck all about what really happened.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 16, 2009, 06:43:26 PM
QuoteWe are still 5 Times better than Armagh.
Wrong tense there. You were 5 Times better than Armagh. In the last century.
5 times better over the last century to be precise :D
2002 is a long time ago now as well
Quote from: armaghniac on October 16, 2009, 06:43:26 PM
QuoteWe are still 5 Times better than Armagh.
Wrong tense there. You were 5 Times better than Armagh. In the last century.
We were, we are and we will always be better than Armagh. We are only 5 Times better than Armagh since 2002, we were much better before then, but you cannot multiply anything by zero. ;)
Quote5 times better over the last century to be precise
Well that's information, quote something and repeat it. Is there an echo?
Actually only over a half century though, as you won nothing in the first half of the century.
Quotebut you cannot multiply anything by zero.
I think you mean divide. Armagh people have no problem multiplying by zero. For example you could take Down's chance of winning something next year and multiply it by the chances of it raining during the year. Answer still zero.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 16, 2009, 08:25:08 PM
Quote5 times better over the last century to be precise
Well that's information, quote something and repeat it. Is there an echo?
Actually only over a half century though, as you won nothing in the first half of the century.
Quotebut you cannot multiply anything by zero.
I think you mean divide. Armagh people have no problem multiplying by zero. For example you could take Down's chance of winning something next year and multiply it by the chances of it raining during the year. Answer still zero.
And we`ve more chance of winning something than Armagh. ;) In fact if Armagh are so good why did they need a Down man to manage them? :D
Quote from: Cúig huaire on October 16, 2009, 09:06:07 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 16, 2009, 08:25:08 PM
Quote5 times better over the last century to be precise
Well that's information, quote something and repeat it. Is there an echo?
Actually only over a half century though, as you won nothing in the first half of the century.
Quotebut you cannot multiply anything by zero.
I think you mean divide. Armagh people have no problem multiplying by zero. For example you could take Down's chance of winning something next year and multiply it by the chances of it raining during the year. Answer still zero.
And we`ve more chance of winning something than Armagh. ;) In fact if Armagh are so good why did they need a Down man to manage them? :D
We didnt need one, we got one and I hope he does well, what scares me is that it would appear that there are Armagh supporters out there who hope Paddy fails, and even if the poor bastid won the AI I seriously doubt he would get the credit he would deserve, it would be down to the other three.
The man said he would give us his all, he is a proven winner at all levels and with this staff that has been assembled we might just be back in the hunt for sam in the next year or two.
I was pissed when he got the job, I got over it and as an Armagh fanatic I have to wish Paddy and the rest of the management team and players all the best of luck in the season ahead, the county board can go fcuk themselves however.
Quote from: stew on October 17, 2009, 12:10:25 AM
The man said he would give us his all, he is a proven winner at all levels and with this staff that has been assembled we might just be back in the hunt for sam in the next year or two.
In the hunt for Sam who? Sam Fox? Sam Torrance? Sammy Wilson?
Armagh fans need to get real, they won the All Ireland once, it will not happen again in our lifetime. The talent simply isnt there.
Quote from: Cúig huaire on October 17, 2009, 12:18:34 AM
Quote from: stew on October 17, 2009, 12:10:25 AM
The man said he would give us his all, he is a proven winner at all levels and with this staff that has been assembled we might just be back in the hunt for sam in the next year or two.
In the hunt for Sam who? Sam Fox? Sam Torrance? Sammy Wilson?
Armagh fans need to get real, they won the All Ireland once, it will not happen again in our lifetime. The talent simply isnt there.
Why do you have to be an a**hole
Quote from: The Konica on October 16, 2009, 07:28:57 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 16, 2009, 09:36:41 AM
McGurn is a great appointment but the county board deserve no credit for that one. Grimley head hunted McGurn months back, sold him the all encompassing role and got a couple of big backers to finance it. After grimley left the scene the backers insisted that the McGurn appointment stay on the table irrespective of who got the job because it was such a good idea.
That is also absolute and complete bollox and it shows you know f*ck all about what really happened.
Why don't you te us what happened then.
No wonder county board are so shite when they f**k up all they get is "Well its done now so lets get behind the team, thats what true fans do"
Quote from: No way ref on October 17, 2009, 02:27:25 AM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on October 17, 2009, 12:18:34 AM
Quote from: stew on October 17, 2009, 12:10:25 AM
The man said he would give us his all, he is a proven winner at all levels and with this staff that has been assembled we might just be back in the hunt for sam in the next year or two.
In the hunt for Sam who? Sam Fox? Sam Torrance? Sammy Wilson?
Armagh fans need to get real, they won the All Ireland once, it will not happen again in our lifetime. The talent simply isnt there.
Why do you have to be an a**hole
DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS!
Do I detect a softening of the ridiculous hysteria that we suffered reading in the initial hours after Paddy's appointment? NFL promotion and a couple of good SFC performances and you'll all be holidaying in Newcastle.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8313511.stm
Quote from: ONeill on October 18, 2009, 09:34:58 AM
Do I detect a softening of the ridiculous hysteria that we suffered reading in the initial hours after Paddy's appointment? NFL promotion and a couple of good SFC performances and you'll all be holidaying in Newcastle.
If ya were suffering that badly you coulda stopped reading!
I think it'd be fair to say that most Armagh people are a right bit more positive now than we were when O'Rourke was initially appointed but that's almost exclusively to do with the very strong backroom team, none of which was certain to happen at the time of the appointment.
But we are now in the bizarre position where the two assistants look far better qualified for the main job than the person who has it. If Donal Murtagh had been appointed with Jutin and Mike McGurn I think that would have been the strongest possible management team available once Grimley pulled out. At the minute, I'm just not sure where Paddy O'Rourke fits in. As manager the buck stops with him and no doubt he will be making the final decisions on team selection and tactics. Is his decision making likely to be better than that of Donal Murtagh? I''m not sure. Is Paddy O'Rourke more likely to motivate the Armagh team than Donal Murtagh? I'm not sure. If the answer to those questions is No, then is his presence really a positive development?
That said, we are where we are at this stage and we can only hope for the best.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on October 17, 2009, 07:48:14 AM
Quote from: The Konica on October 16, 2009, 07:28:57 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 16, 2009, 09:36:41 AM
McGurn is a great appointment but the county board deserve no credit for that one. Grimley head hunted McGurn months back, sold him the all encompassing role and got a couple of big backers to finance it. After grimley left the scene the backers insisted that the McGurn appointment stay on the table irrespective of who got the job because it was such a good idea.
That is also absolute and complete bollox and it shows you know f*ck all about what really happened.
Why don't you te us what happened then.
That didn't happen for one thing.
Grimley and McGurn never met and never spoke before or since he left for Monaghan.
To say he head-hunted McGurn months back is bullsh!t.
McGurn was never head hunted at all, he approached one of the players with the idea, who in turn went to the powers that be with the idea.
Stevie took it to grimley.
Anyway, who did our new manager give the official mom to yesterday?
Nugent scathing in Orchard report
Armagh secretary Patrick Og Nugent has slammed the managerial controversy in the county this year.
Peter McDonnell resigned as boss in July and Nugent claimed the "treatment dealt out to him was despicable".
"If that hadn't brought Armagh down to the gutter, what was to follow when we set about the appointment of a new manager most certainly did.
"To say Paddy O'Rourke's appointment caused a few ripples would be the understatement of the decade."
He added: "The furore soon died down when he addressed the clubs for the first time as Paddy clearly showed the passion and belief he has for the current set-up in Armagh."
Nugent's comments are contained in his report to the next week's county convention.
McDonnell led Armagh to the Ulster title last year but stepped down after the All-Ireland qualifier defeat by Monaghan in the summer.
Nugent said: "While this may not have been totally unexpected, the reasons he gave for doing so certainly were.
"He stated that he had been put in an impossible situation by a number of so-called influential people outside of the team and county board, who had continually tried to undermine his authority and what he was attempting to do with the senior squad.
"This, he said, came to its lowest ebb when he became aware two days prior to the qualifier game with Monaghan that changes to the team he had announced earlier in the week and the tactics he was intending to adopt for the match were given directly to a member of the Monaghan management team."
Paul Grimley was the front-runner to be McDonnell's successor but he opted to accept a position in Seamus McEnaney's backroom team in Monaghan.
"Whilst it was obvious that Paul's name was going to be associated with the post, the county board had agreed a process that had to be followed.
"Unfortunately, though, the five-man selection committee (which included Nugent) didn't really get a clean run at the process as other 'players' with no directive from anyone decided to become involved and the whole system turned chaotic with members of the selection committee accusing each other of having hidden agendas.
"Inevitably the whole process collapsed and Paul Grimley, who had been in talks with Monaghan for a number of weeks, decided to take up the role that they had offered him, which was perfectly permitted and correct to do so if he believed that this was the best move for him."
However, Nugent added that Grimley's decision "did nothing to help the Armagh management position".
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8401217.stm
Quote from: Man Marker on December 08, 2009, 12:32:58 PM
Quote from: AFS on December 08, 2009, 12:27:51 PM
Nugent scathing in Orchard report
Armagh secretary Patrick Og Nugent has slammed the managerial controversy in the county this year.
Peter McDonnell resigned as boss in July and Nugent claimed the "treatment dealt out to him was despicable".
"If that hadn't brought Armagh down to the gutter, what was to follow when we set about the appointment of a new manager most certainly did.
"To say Paddy O'Rourke's appointment caused a few ripples would be the understatement of the decade."
He added: "The furore soon died down when he addressed the clubs for the first time as Paddy clearly showed the passion and belief he has for the current set-up in Armagh."
Nugent's comments are contained in his report to the next week's county convention.
McDonnell led Armagh to the Ulster title last year but stepped down after the All-Ireland qualifier defeat by Monaghan in the summer.
Nugent said: "While this may not have been totally unexpected, the reasons he gave for doing so certainly were.
"He stated that he had been put in an impossible situation by a number of so-called influential people outside of the team and county board, who had continually tried to undermine his authority and what he was attempting to do with the senior squad.
"This, he said, came to its lowest ebb when he became aware two days prior to the qualifier game with Monaghan that changes to the team he had announced earlier in the week and the tactics he was intending to adopt for the match were given directly to a member of the Monaghan management team."
Paul Grimley was the front-runner to be McDonnell's successor but he opted to accept a position in Seamus McEnaney's backroom team in Monaghan.
"Whilst it was obvious that Paul's name was going to be associated with the post, the county board had agreed a process that had to be followed.
"Unfortunately, though, the five-man selection committee (which included Nugent) didn't really get a clean run at the process as other 'players' with no directive from anyone decided to become involved and the whole system turned chaotic with members of the selection committee accusing each other of having hidden agendas.
"Inevitably the whole process collapsed and Paul Grimley, who had been in talks with Monaghan for a number of weeks, decided to take up the role that they had offered him, which was perfectly permitted and correct to do so if he believed that this was the best move for him."
However, Nugent added that Grimley's decision "did nothing to help the Armagh management position".
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8401217.stm
Holy molely!!!! :o
What player or players were at it.
That's pretty well known by now
Some of the Monaghan management team though are experts at that kind of stuff
In fact that's mild compared to some other things that have happened
Quote from: The Konica on December 08, 2009, 12:39:47 PM
That's pretty well known by now
Some of the Monaghan management team though are experts at that kind of stuff
In fact that's mild compared to some other things that have happened
Those sneaky Monaghan f**kers! I knew there was a reason i hate them so much! :D
Tell us more about this Konica, this is the kind of stuff I love hearing about. Dont worry if its unfounded or scurrilous or anything, just let rip!
Pockets Og Nugent grinds my gears, (I know should be on the thread)
talking about the 5 person Selection Committe, WTF does he know about managing an Intercounty football team, 'Fish Supper comes to mind'
He's a complete gobsh1te!! In the Irish News article on the same topic this morning they say he's finishes off his statement by saying that it's important to put this behind us and move on!! Why bring it up again then??? Maybe just to get his name & ugly mug on the back page of the Irish News. ::) ::)
The one thing I do agree with is his belief that the media made a bad situation worse............
Quote from: mackers on December 08, 2009, 05:27:32 PM
He's a complete gobsh1te!! In the Irish News article on the same topic this morning they say he's finishes off his statement by saying that it's important to put this behind us and move on!! Why bring it up again then??? Maybe just to get his name & ugly mug on the back page of the Irish News. ::) ::)
The one thing I do agree with is his belief that the media made a bad situation worse............
I think it was the secretaries report where he would comment on the year as a whole.
He'd have had to mention it in some way.
Of course the media were always going to report that too ...
It would appear that Mc Donnell was facing significant opposition within the camp from day one, obviously many people wanted Grimley and not him in the first place
Quote from: Take Your Points on December 08, 2009, 07:40:50 PM
It's about time that the person who revealed the team and tactics is named to clear the air and move on rather than Mr Nugent airing the matter again in the same manner as Mr McDonnell with a background of hints and rumours.
Couldn't agree more with this. What is the point bringing this up again just to leave a vacuum for rumour and inuendo. I've no inside line, but have heard rumours about this and that etc which could be true or rubbish.
He could have scripted his review of the year without going down this line. But if he is going down it then name names
Quote from: AFS on December 08, 2009, 12:27:51 PM
Nugent scathing in Orchard report
Armagh secretary Patrick Og Nugent has slammed the managerial controversy in the county this year.
Peter McDonnell resigned as boss in July and Nugent claimed the "treatment dealt out to him was despicable".
"If that hadn't brought Armagh down to the gutter, what was to follow when we set about the appointment of a new manager most certainly did.
"To say Paddy O'Rourke's appointment caused a few ripples would be the understatement of the decade."
He added: "The furore soon died down when he addressed the clubs for the first time as Paddy clearly showed the passion and belief he has for the current set-up in Armagh."
Nugent's comments are contained in his report to the next week's county convention.
McDonnell led Armagh to the Ulster title last year but stepped down after the All-Ireland qualifier defeat by Monaghan in the summer.
Nugent said: "While this may not have been totally unexpected, the reasons he gave for doing so certainly were.
"He stated that he had been put in an impossible situation by a number of so-called influential people outside of the team and county board, who had continually tried to undermine his authority and what he was attempting to do with the senior squad.
"This, he said, came to its lowest ebb when he became aware two days prior to the qualifier game with Monaghan that changes to the team he had announced earlier in the week and the tactics he was intending to adopt for the match were given directly to a member of the Monaghan management team."
Paul Grimley was the front-runner to be McDonnell's successor but he opted to accept a position in Seamus McEnaney's backroom team in Monaghan.
"Whilst it was obvious that Paul's name was going to be associated with the post, the county board had agreed a process that had to be followed.
"Unfortunately, though, the five-man selection committee (which included Nugent) didn't really get a clean run at the process as other 'players' with no directive from anyone decided to become involved and the whole system turned chaotic with members of the selection committee accusing each other of having hidden agendas.
"Inevitably the whole process collapsed and Paul Grimley, who had been in talks with Monaghan for a number of weeks, decided to take up the role that they had offered him, which was perfectly permitted and correct to do so if he believed that this was the best move for him."
However, Nugent added that Grimley's decision "did nothing to help the Armagh management position".
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8401217.stm
That Paddy Og, is a horrible being altogether. Without going into it again, this man, which is typical of him, is just trying to deflect the attention away from himself when he goes in front of the county convention. Paddy O Rourke is our manager now and needs our support and I believe he will do a good job. The thing I would wish for is that the clubs put in a vote of no confidence in the man. He creates divisions and for someone having the priviledge of a paid position he's not great at his job. It's almost as if the man had nothing to do with it at all and is trying to shift the attention on Grimley.
Patrick og has been involved on the county board for many years, and every county convention offers thge opportunity to remove him.....so no doubt next year we will have plenty of new nominations ::)
I've only ever had one encounter with Paddy Og.
I offered some constructive critism on the official Armagh GAA website about 10 years ago, and I got a useful, informative and helpful reply. I was literally told to f**k-off
So, are there two Paddy Ogs?
Quote from: Orior on December 09, 2009, 10:58:53 AM
I've only ever had one encounter with Paddy Og.
I offered some constructive critism on the official Armagh GAA website about 10 years ago, and I got a useful, informative and helpful reply. I was literally told to f**k-offSo, are there two Paddy Ogs?
Owned! :D
anyword on final mckenna cup panel? also does anyone know when championship draw is made?
Some of the cr*p spouted here about the Co.Sec is very brave from a bunch of di*k heads who are afraid to put their name to their statements or indeed to do anything to advance their club or county. Stay safe behind the keyboard boys. :-X
Quote from: JUst retired on December 10, 2009, 07:18:09 PM
Some of the cr*p spouted here about the Co.Sec is very brave from a bunch of di*k heads who are afraid to put their name to their statements or indeed to do anything to advance their club or county. Stay safe behind the keyboard boys. :-X
Think we have Paddy Og here. This man is making an address to the county convention this week and never once in this does he admit his own faults in the matters that he mentions. It's a discussion board and opinions are meant to be given.
Quote from: JUst retired on December 10, 2009, 07:18:09 PM
Some of the cr*p spouted here about the Co.Sec is very brave from a bunch of di*k heads who are afraid to put their name to their statements or indeed to do anything to advance their club or county. Stay safe behind the keyboard boys. :-X
There is also room for plaudits.
Opinions given are all very well, I have no problem with that. But statements or inuendo are not acceptable. I would ask wanderer. to remove his post as I`m sure he would not like this posted about him. I am not Paddy Og, I am someone who dislikes personal remarks passed on people`s character when it is absolute lies,and a funny face does`nt cut it with me. >:(
Quote from: JUst retired on December 11, 2009, 07:11:42 AM
Opinions given are all very well, I have no problem with that. But statements or inuendo are not acceptable. I would ask wanderer. to remove his post as I`m sure he would not like this posted about him. I am not Paddy Og, I am someone who dislikes personal remarks passed on people`s character when it is absolute lies,and a funny face does`nt cut it with me. >:(
I have to agree with that at least
just retired it obviously was a joke but i removed it anyway. are u in the closet ;)
JR sorry for the smiley face. Surely the county secretary as a paid employee has a responsibility to look after the affairs of the clubs as well as the senior county team. You ask any club and they will confirm the contempt that he has to them. have you ever tried to ring him not a reply, left a message i bet u NEVER got a call back. Why bring up in the papers again the pmcd position without naming and shaming the people involved. Once again the rumour mongers are going to start. P Og have the balls and name names at the AGM and bring it to a conclusion. SOME CHANCE Lets have a new start and clear out the top table.
Quote from: thewanderer on December 11, 2009, 04:35:59 PM
JR sorry for the smiley face. Surely the county secretary as a paid employee has a responsibility to look after the affairs of the clubs as well as the senior county team. You ask any club and they will confirm the contempt that he has to them. have you ever tried to ring him not a reply, left a message i bet u NEVER got a call back. Why bring up in the papers again the pmcd position without naming and shaming the people involved. Once again the rumour mongers are going to start. P Og have the balls and name names at the AGM and bring it to a conclusion. SOME CHANCE Lets have a new start and clear out the top table.
This thread is disgusting, some of youse have painted the boul Paddy og as some kind of useless gobshite, a sanctimonious flid that pontificates from on high yet does little right and much wrong, I think that is reprehensible in the extreme, however the fact remains that Paddy Og is in fact a useless gobshite, a sanctimonious flid that pontificates from on high yet does little right and much wrong, yes, that fits, I think that is accurate. ( no smiley faces here boss)
Some people should sober up before posting another word
any news on when the mckenna cup panel will be released? new kit out on the 14th december, is that correct?
Its in the shops in Monaghan from the 13th!
Thanks wanderer, I am not saying I agree with you on all points but there should be limits to what we air in public. Some one asked was I in the closet, the answer to that is no. There is no room. ;D
Go on Paddy ye boya !!!! ;)
he's doing a half decent job so far lads
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lOJcYZuJ6E
whats jerome quinn doing with the tri colour
This years event will take place in the Wellington Park Hotel, Belfast, on Thursday 16th Sept.
Confirmed guests:
Mickey Harte - Manager of Tyrone when they won all 3 of their All Irelands
Mick O'Dwyer - 4 All Irelands as a player, 8 as a manager.
Joe Brolly - RTE TV pundit, 2 time All Star & All Ireland winner with Derry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKYycF8xb_c
We are still in negotiations with a number of other guests and their agents/Wags. Names will be released in the next couple of days.
MC for the evening will be Jerome Quinn (well know GAA journalist).
Admission by ticket only - £10 which gets you into a draw for All Ireland Final tickets.
Doors open at 8.15pm with a 8.30pm start - get there early as numbers are limited due to fire regulations, the common agricultural policy or some such thing.
The event is sponsored by First Trust Bank
Could someone translate jsut what the hell them down lads are saying?
Paddy O`Rourke is still An Dun
Paddy O`Rourke is still An Dun
Hes f**king up the orchard county
Paddy O`Rourke is still An Dun
(Repeat)
Thanks, my northy translater on the laptop is down. I am sure there is an Ipod app that can help me out there somewhere ;D
The AC Milan jersey is class
Thats Mo :D
Quote from: cogito on September 01, 2010, 08:52:06 PM
Thanks, my northy translater on the laptop is down. I am sure there is an Ipod app that can help me out there somewhere ;D
The AC Milan jersey is class
I hadnt a clue what they were saying either...
Quote from: cogito on September 01, 2010, 08:52:06 PM
The AC Milan jersey is class
Reminds me of this one.
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/lecale2/Protestor.jpg)
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 01, 2010, 08:56:45 PM
Quote from: cogito on September 01, 2010, 08:52:06 PM
Thanks, my northy translater on the laptop is down. I am sure there is an Ipod app that can help me out there somewhere ;D
The AC Milan jersey is class
I hadnt a clue what they were saying either...
Plain as day.
Quote from: Lecale2 on September 01, 2010, 08:57:18 PM
Quote from: cogito on September 01, 2010, 08:52:06 PM
The AC Milan jersey is class
Reminds me of this one.
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/lecale2/Protestor.jpg)
:D :D :D :D :D :D
Classic
That video is an embarrassment.
At least we sing Gary Glitter numbers.
Imagine my disappointment when i read this thread wasn't about por resigning...
Quote from: put-it-up-again on September 01, 2010, 09:13:37 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on September 01, 2010, 08:57:18 PM
Quote from: cogito on September 01, 2010, 08:52:06 PM
The AC Milan jersey is class
Reminds me of this one.
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/lecale2/Protestor.jpg)
:D :D :D :D :D :D
Classic
:D :D :D :D Gets better everytime you look. Any chance we could get a ban on Glasgow Celtic Jersey's from all are games, there might only be very very few in the entire croke park on match day but its two or three to many?